outlaw

[fossil lintel]

I would do it if it dropped preserved roots

[balmy topaz]

YOU RACE CHANGED

[lime lake]

do they not at tier 7

ive heard delves can drop them

[fossil lintel]

Do they drop it at tier 7?

[lime lake]

idk im asking

[fathom bramble]

The age of the tauren is over

[fossil lintel]

I only did one tier 7 since the gear seemed to be the same as tier 4

[fathom bramble]

It is panda time

[fossil lintel]

Panda?

[tropic dove]

Pretty sure if you aren't kul-tiran then you arent really an outlaw rogue?

[lime lake]

the age of the panda

[fossil lintel]

Did they overtune food buffs?

[lime lake]

is here

[fathom bramble]

Yes

[fossil lintel]

Ohh

Oh holy shit

It gives 50 main stat?

[balmy topaz]

It's not like I have anything else to do.....

[fossil lintel]

That's like almost half the agi budget on a myth chest piece

For comparison last xpack the food buff was about 12% the main stat budget of your S1 chest piece

[balmy topaz]

It's about a 0.3% dps gain over Tauren/dwarf but it will scale worse

[fossil lintel]

But dwarf racial too op

[balmy topaz]

Time to farm the delve

Ye this season it's good

I am tempted to go back

[fossil lintel]

I just wish I didn't have to be a dwarf

[fathom bramble]

I was tired of tauren and would never go dwarf so it does leave panda as the only decent one

[fossil lintel]

I wish I could go back to undead

[fathom bramble]

I wanted to go haranir this expac, but blizz made their crit racial 1% instead of 2 for some reason

[fossil lintel]

But damn their racial suck

[balmy topaz]

Have you done all the renown stuff Lok?

[fathom bramble]

Yeah

I can get every gear item when they open now

[hasty warren]

join the goblin family

[fossil lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/whet-what-ew-can-you-not-stop-gif-9908266

[hasty warren]

we're many, at least 2

gob is 1% haste free

[fathom bramble]

Panda is 50 agility and also more than 1% haste when we eventually swap to secondary food

And not short

[lime lake]

and has sick animations

[hasty warren]

but fat

[unkempt dew]

I always play as human

I love undead but transmog sucks sometimes

[hasty warren]

undead is my fav race

so cool on casters or rogue

[unkempt dew]

True but because of how they are build I don’t like most of the transmogs

I love the laugh when using AR

[hot olive]

need to be renown 9 with all 4 to get items?

[river wing]

p sure you hit 9 just by doing loremaster, so shouldn't be hard

[glass anvil]

what buffs do you guys track?

[limpid breach]

I'm losing my mind, do any of you know which addons might be making by Adrenaline Rush like auto cast itself after I use it the first time in a fight?

[lime adder]

Are any of your spells Macros and you accidentally have it in there, if not I would prob turn them off 1 by 1 until you find it

[timid portal]

this + prep

[balmy topaz]

@fathom bramble HELP

What curios do you have on val

[grim spear]

I’m not tracking BF
I just dragged a one-button helper next to me, and its BF timing suggestions are incredibly precise.

[quiet ore]

I track bf just so I can have a TTS alert say "blade flurry" when it falls off

[bleak rune]

!addon

[inland acorn]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[shy meteor]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[balmy topaz]

Also wtf is going on with M0's for eu

are we getting them on tuesday or reset

I feel like blizzard comms on this has been really poor

[hardy vault]

anyone know how good the nexus point xenas ring set is

[hardy vault]

and the biggest question is: if we're getting them tonight, do we get 2 resets right after another?

[gleaming reef]

Hmm is it me or is Adrenaline rush breaking stealth

[nova blaze]

for me it keeps stealth

[gleaming reef]

seems like fatebound tails

shooting something

if I'm in stealth and pop adrenaline rush

doesn't happen all the time but it does happen

[balmy topaz]

Ye it's cus

you're probs targeting something while in stealth

Use AR

and tails pops out and does dmg

[atomic monolith]

so how's outlaw goign into midnight fun and dps wise? is it strong/fun to play?

[balmy topaz]

It's okay

I mean fun is subjective

Strength wise idk I feel ST is weak

Aoe is okay I guess but probs could still use a bit of a buff

I wouldn't say we are strong

[inland acorn]

aoe is mid

ST is cheeks

[atomic monolith]

ah dang i thought i had potentially found my new main

[hardy vault]

just play it anyway

idk if i'm just bad at the game

but i'm like doing 30k ST on dummy fully unbuffed

at around 221 ilvl

okay basically perfectly meeting what my sim says

[unreal drum]

im possibly being blind, can anyone point out how to hide the msuf combo point bar i cant see the settings for it

[balmy topaz]

230 AXE FROM WQ

[jolly geyser]

noice

[balmy topaz]

Big neck in the void area as well

[jolly geyser]

[balmy topaz]

That's a robin

not an eagle

[jolly geyser]

red robbin

[desert tendon]

[silk dirge]

am i building on 5 as fatebound if i wanna push bte next or send on 5 (with less than 6 opp)

[covert kestrel]

Dispatch on 5+ BtE on 6+

[rotund zodiac]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[mint crater]

hey guys, I need good Keep in Rolling addon.

some tip?

[still matrix]

Is the CDM/(Old WA) you're using not enough to track it for what you need? Like if you look up you see some CDMs that track the different buffs, although KIR think you need to just use in best conditions, not sure if there is a addon that can track it.

[mint crater]

What is the best condicition to use it?

I couldnt find that addon to track it auto.

[leaden sonnet]

Wdym, you can track it by default with the cooldown manager

[balmy topaz]

#outlaw-faq Has everything you need for when to roll and to use KIR

[mint crater]

got it. thanks.

[brave lagoon]

Man the lvl 90 data for rogue has us down at the bottom with evokers in popularity

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-meme-astronaut-gif-23926290

[mighty pivot]

the class hasn't been popular in over 15 years. did you expect the class changes to change that?

[brave lagoon]

It'll alwyas be popular in my heart

At this rate the m+ meta for S1 will be 5 bear tank

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Obv

[nova blaze]

damn i just got lvl 90 is it just me or does the last apex ability feel underwhelming

[autumn wasp]

Anyone know our stat prio? Specifically for PVP if you know.

Thanks!

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix

hope ur having a nice day

https://tenor.com/view/cat-write-scribble-sketch-draw-gif-17181052902092737226

[untold wadi]

would ask in #pvp

https://tenor.com/view/cat-lazy-tired-sleep-balance-gif-15893511

[worldly shale]

WHATS HAPPENING FRIENDS

[untold wadi]

!

[charred adder]

anyone else feeling like they're made of paper in world content? I kill stuff fast but any more than 2 mobs and im nearly dead everytime

[rocky canopy]

yep thats just rogue

[junior thicket]

We live for those two weeks at the end of the expansion where Rogues are viable due to having maxed out stats, the rest of it we just get high on pure copium and hope Blizzard remembers we exist

[gleaming reef]

man outlaw sucks

i did m+ and dps is absymal

compared to undergeared hunter

[gaunt phoenix]

Thank you, but I'm not

[near rock]

you did m+?

[wintry solar]

fix it

[wintry solar]

lvl 80 M+

[untold wadi]

time travel

[fossil lintel]

I have yet to be outdpsed in a dungeon at 90

[pastel cedar]

Outlaw blasts

[lofty sand]

yo guys r there any public sims of all dps specs?

[rancid silo]

lol

Nah there isnt

[wintry solar]

like a graph that puts all specs in order from first to last based on sims?

[lofty sand]

ye

[wintry solar]

nothing like that yet

[fossil lintel]

Once there is you will be able to see it on the simc website

[lofty sand]

aight thanks

[cinder relic]

M+ isn't out yet

[wintry solar]

prepatch M+ is still out

[craggy quiver]

Hope ur day gets better

[patent mirage]

are people dooming already

[wintry solar]

its always doom o'clock

[edgy sequoia]

is outlaw a boomer spec now?

[fossil lintel]

We've been dooming for years here

[lime lake]

Ive never stopped dooming

[fossil lintel]

No, still hurts my wrists

[ionic citrus]

@gaunt phoenix I automatically started holding BtE when I get to 4-5 stacks of Palmed Bullets. It feels bad to have 6 stacks with BtE on 25s cd and keep pressing Dispatch knowing I'm wasting new Palmed Bullets stacks.

Have you already simmed around this interaction? I wonder if its worth to hold BTE to immediately consume Palmed and restart farming it or just ignore the buff and rotate regularly.

[gaunt phoenix]

Palmed bullets stacks higher than 6

and when you bte, it consumes 6 of them

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-dumb-patrick-gif-14083147

[past falcon]

LMAO

[gleaming reef]

Sorry, I mean heroic

[covert kestrel]

24 combo points! Wow thats basically Ace back to its old form, I cant wait to cast 6 BtEs with no building with that kind of generation

[fossil lintel]

I was so happily surprised when I saw it didn't get the trickster treatment

[cinder relic]

So if you are level 90 you are weaker than people level 80-85 most of the time

Unless Ur actually geared geared at 90

[gleaming reef]

That's reassuring, I think?

[wintry solar]

heroic is max level

[fossil lintel]

He meant heroic, everyone is level 90 there

But not sure what this man is on, we blast on heroic

[gleaming reef]

Ya but I couldn't tell their ilvl

[fossil lintel]

If it's heroic it's going to be in the 210-227 range

[cinder relic]

Oh so true

[wintry solar]

press your buttons better and quit bitching

lock tf in

https://klipy.com/gifs/lock-in-silly-cat

wth is this

[covert kestrel]

skill issue @wintry solar

[wintry solar]

I dare you to update

I double dog dare you

[covert kestrel]

lol tenor is shutting down their api to focus on their "core products"

[inland acorn]

they have products ?

[wintry solar]

your data

duh

[covert kestrel]

i love it when internet businesses stall in growth and so decide to do the most rational thing and shoot a shotgun in their face

[inland acorn]

My data at this point is everywhere, and everyone knows everything there is to know

[wintry solar]

google knows my gooning schedule

[inland acorn]

on God

[fossil lintel]

You guys Google before gooning?

[wintry solar]

"okay google, set my goon-ppointment for 7:30pm"

[fossil lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-what-the-fuck-the-fuck-is-this-wth-gif-17571836

[lime lake]

Yeah thats fucking weird

You dont goon until 8

[inland acorn]

if you think about it

It is 8 somewhere in the world

[upper hawk]

it's not. its 8:35

[inland acorn]

[fossil lintel]

We should have 15 minute timezones, dealing with them is not miserable enough

[leaden sonnet]

Those do exist

[covert kestrel]

every day we either move forward 15 minutes or move back 15 minutes and it depends on where a hamster decides to eat their food

[keen belfry]

i hate punskswaynn phill

[lime lake]

Real

[copper radish]

It’s 8 somewhere on the planet 🤷‍♂️

[wintry solar]

dude

[wintry solar]

outlaw actually got buffed in Anal spam in trade

[keen belfry]

anal tazar

[covert kestrel]

self report of leaving a sticker on your monitor

[keen belfry]

solo is such a noob look at hearhstone on his bars

[mild tide]

Hi guys, short Question. I created custom bars for my buffs using ArcUi when entering combat/using abilities the default Blizzard Bars still show up...Does anyone know how to hide the default ones?

[rigid tinsel]

Theres an option ”hide cdm icon”

Not sure where in ArcUI exactly but I know its there

[tepid trellis]

Is it fine to play with a dagger in the off-hand?

[lime lake]

more than fine

thats ideal

[mild tide]

Found it thx 😇

[strong shell]

!addons

[untold wadi]

!wangbar

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[untold wadi]

@strong shell

[covert kestrel]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[still matrix]

I have a 237 axe and a 230 axe, should i now not be able to upgrade another 1h axe/wep to 230 for just gold?

[hardy thicket]

no you get the discount per slot

so you need 237 in both to upgrade a 237 for free

[still matrix]

but what if i just want to upgrade another to 230?

[hardy thicket]

mb didnt read carefully enough

[still matrix]

that's why im a bit confused

[hardy thicket]

yeah that should not charge u crests unless something changed

[still matrix]

Maybe ill open a ticket, idk.

[random stirrup]

is the axe strength only or something

[still matrix]

Nah

Made a ticket

[buoyant stratus]

@keen belfry I updated wangbar today and now its greenmode 8(

[still matrix]

I know the crest free upgrades do work because used it on some pieces but idk

[vivid vessel]

you sure its not a texture not loading

or sharedmedia that broke

that looks like a texture not loading to me

[potent yacht]

anyone know what the highest vault gear is this week? is it doing delves

[still matrix]

Don't think we get a vault this reset

[potent yacht]

ah ok

[wooden pilot]

@balmy topaz what delve are you spammin

[worthy surge]

todays atal is insane

3 min runs

[cinder relic]

Nutty delve for leveling too

Shadowguard point

[keen belfry]

hm weird

[still matrix]

I've also not seen anything over 226 drop off a rare yet idk if worth farming them if nothing else to do

[normal forge]

our apex is like a bad luck protection

so, its like, u can stop using BTE to pump up combo points with dispatch so u can have more BTEs procs when u need next

[keen belfry]

its biggest use is anu energy saver

[fair topaz]

hi, is there a way to remove this symbol? it always appears when i get an opportunity proc

[keen belfry]

spell alert opacity

[cold jewel]

wish we could set a different spell opacity per toon/spec

if there is a way to do that, please let me know 🙂

[keen belfry]

a WA was able to do it!

[tribal cosmos]

When m0

[keen belfry]

tuesday

[tribal cosmos]

Fk

Time yo level my udk

[balmy topaz]

Atal one

It’s a good xp farm for val

@vivid vessel you tested that WA thing yet

[cinder relic]

Shadowguard point is way bette rfor exp

[lime lake]

Yeah I'd do shadowguard to level then swap to atal to gear

Kinda goated combo today ngl

[vivid vessel]

yes

good

[frail veldt]

How long was the 80-90 for y'all?

[past falcon]

not fast lol

[keen belfry]

yeah too long

[lime lake]

I took my time

[keen belfry]

need to figure out how to get more alt to 90

my magfe is 85

[past falcon]

warmode + warband mentor is finally starting to do something for me

[tribal cosmos]

https://youtube.com/shorts/faIpNBSZsL4?si=B7VmYom0SgcSet79

Outlaws getting ready to be mid again

[hasty warren]

4 hours

[honest raven]

what tier? and are you finishing the delve or just doing the "large pull many mob die"

[cinder relic]

Its "open 7 cages"

But the cages can be opened in stealth

U fight like 2 minibosses and then the main boss and thats it

[past falcon]

for gearing u wanna finish it

[honest raven]

oh thats fire

and is tier 1 fine (easy kills) or should i do highest possible

[eternal hound]

Okay

Ngl delves as rogue are fun

[lime lake]

the ones where you can skip 90% of them are fun

[quiet ore]

Atal'aman had this objective the other day, it was nice

[keen belfry]

It’s back today

[copper radish]

Atal’aman gotta be by far the easiest one

[worldly compass]

farming 227 warbound gear rn

[coarse parcel]

@vivid vessel what was your alt strategie to spend less crest on your main ? does it work during a progress ?

[vivid vessel]

nah not really

its a end of tier thing

i just chose some specific slots to upgrade on alts

and then you use the discount to upgrade main of these slots

also this require to have the achiev already

so your main need to be almost full gear

but you kinda try to finish your main without these slots right

• its also for superboost

[coarse parcel]

okay, I thought it could have work for progress mb

I will then not be a degenerate

[normal forge]

am i crazy or is AR taking us out of stealth?

[raven drum]

as fatebound it flips coins and does damage which takes you out of stealth i think.

if you have a target.

[craggy barn]

this

tails does damage so it hits with a target

[quaint mauve]

yup

this might be a dumb question. but

does coin dmg

work with bf

[civic zephyr]

how is outlaw now ? like pre tier set

[hazy temple]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[hazy temple]

Are there any profiles associated with these addons?

this is what happens after i download these 😄

[fossil lintel]

It's pretty good

[civic zephyr]

gonna give it spin in dungeons for funs

[fossil lintel]

We are pretty strong in dungeons from my experience

[jolly geyser]

might be a resolution problem

[hazy temple]

Seems to be arc ui causing the problems, do any of you have a working profile you imported or did you set it up custom?

[jolly geyser]

I dont use Arc actually heh

[hazy temple]

Better CDM then?

[jolly geyser]

im using Luxthos ui, but I moved stuff around and stuff

[wintry solar]

That's the one you gather food for the bear?

[halcyon veldt]

yo outlaws ! any working macro for the auto missdirect on tank while in grp ? the one i had for tww aint working no more

[jolly geyser]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Auto Tricks on tank Addon - TankMD

[fossil lintel]

We need a polymarket for "will blizz screw up and have m0 available before reset?"

[halcyon veldt]

thanks mate

[keen belfry]

new ice lance cleave range is so funny

[normal forge]

which piece of craft are we most likely using? apart from bracers

[keen belfry]

weapon

[hasty warren]

weapon

[keen belfry]

weapopjmn

[jolly geyser]

housing decor

[hasty warren]

or cloak maybe

[tribal cosmos]

wait

how do we do 1-80 now

[hasty warren]

dj

[tribal cosmos]

djnutts

[hasty warren]

no

[fervent garden]

so are we choosing delves over campaign now for better leveling exp? or just running through and doing a delve when it come up.

[fossil lintel]

Turn one foot and pivot around it

[hasty warren]

!bug

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[bright crane]

Ice lance? More like butt lance

[keen belfry]

fart lkance

[hasty warren]

wang is a fart lover

[untold wadi]

xdd

finally

after years of being jealous of destro locks

[river wing]

lads I think they fixed the super fast delve spam
I did six runs of the amani delve and only got gear from the very first L4 clear, every other clear awarded only crests and some companion exp

or maybe I'm super unlucky, IDK

still gonna be an amazing delve for weekly tho, can beat it in maybe five to six minutes even with 190 gear

[final pagoda]

why is MSUF recommended in the addons?

[hasty warren]

because it's a good addon for character frames

[final pagoda]

what offers more than the standard ui

[craggy barn]

am i playing outlaw

[wintry solar]

I'd kill for dreadblades...

[hasty warren]

and mfd

[wintry solar]

And mfd...

[balmy topaz]

You’re forgetting acro

And I mean real acro

[wintry solar]

And real acro...

[leaden sonnet]

Still baffled they atleast keep it for kicks

[hasty warren]

just buff all melee range

no point to have to be in the ass of the boss

[untold wadi]

no acro is borderline hate crime ngl

melee are a set

were a group

https://youtu.be/lQCVf7AnXNY?t=10

[fossil lintel]

arcantina key got stealth nerfed

D=

[hasty warren]

let me in

[wintry solar]

I feel no acro now more than I did in TWW

Though when half your rotation has a 30 yard range it's a little less relevant

[fossil lintel]

given how important white hits are, being mistakenly out of range while you cycle PS and BTE procs is a huge loss

[untold wadi]

i still have the acro genes in me, causing that awkward micro reposition into melee range when u can't kick lol. its like u have an unseen force just pulling u backwards cuz of how bad it is in melee

[verbal raptor]

!sheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ebon thunder]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[fossil lintel]

servers died

[quiet ore]

things were fine until 3pm hit

oh god

[fossil lintel]

can't even load character list

[normal forge]

why servers are off?

[fossil lintel]

it's midnight

[quiet ore]

I think I just failed to queue for a delve

[normal forge]

so we are shutting down server every midnight now?

jk

[fossil lintel]

yes

[quiet ore]

recovery

[fossil lintel]

which means it's once per hour, since it's midnight somewhere every hour

[placid blaze]

hello are M0 possible today or we need to wait 2 reset ?

[tribal cosmos]

the poors have hit a52 mlord

[fossil lintel]

the intro takes 15 min if you're very quick

so in about 20 min silvermoon will be dead

[formal knot]

don't forget the timezones that are offset by 15 or 30 mins. even more resets

[vivid vessel]

how long till hc week

[fossil lintel]

2 weeks?

[vivid vessel]

oof

i have to start leveling up

[fossil lintel]

oh no zac is one of them

[tropic zephyr]

huh same why do leveling up exists

i legit don't want to login, but I also want to be done with it as fast as possible

[final pagoda]

is it just me that keep crashing when adjusting the addons?

[brisk comet]

what are bis stats now for outlaw?

[cinder relic]

I'm about to start camping the level 80s until they log off

[copper radish]

till that one level 80 monk one shots u lol

[royal ermine]

my cow era has ended

[wintry solar]

I don't regret not playing until now

[vagrant olive]

anyone else feel less...stealthy? like enemies see us easier or is it just me

[fathom lion]

Haven't played in a while, is outlaw still fun even with simplifications ?

[cinder relic]

dpdneds what u found fun about old outlaw

[final pagoda]

anyone knows how to add trinkets in the main cdm? even if bcdm

with bcdm I can only add trinkets as a separate row apparently

[fathom lion]

the high apm and reaction to procs

[cinder relic]

Still that

Just, no crackshot/vanish focus anymore

Lower APM, but still GCD locked, like 65-70 rather than 75-80

[fathom lion]

they simplified all specs i suppose ?

[trim vigil]

yes

[cinder relic]

basically every yeah

[wintry solar]

DB, MFD, Acro would make this perfect

[unique fulcrum]

are m0's out now?

[gaunt rover]

on reset

[gaunt phoenix]

Oh it's launch launch

[vivid vessel]

wtf

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[vivid vessel]

wtrf

i have to login now ?

[wintry solar]

Ye

[vivid vessel]

i wont

[wintry solar]

Ok

[obtuse schooner]

Works ?

[craggy quiver]

What's making the mfd sound

Is it cold blood?

[fathom bramble]

get the cold blood muting addon

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[fathom bramble]

or stop using cold blood because it's not actually the recommended build anymore

[tribal cosmos]

of course

blizzard nerfs key

dog sht company

[willow narwhal]

Yo guys

i am pretty strong right now in heroic runs 😂

Outlaw is really fun (for me) atm

[quaint mauve]

@wintry solar yo

have u listened to yung lean unc

[wintry solar]

No

[quaint mauve]

listen to

metallic intuition
walking ferragamo
blue plastic

[wintry solar]

I don't listen to that kind of music

[quaint mauve]

what typa music would that be

[wintry solar]

Sad Bart edit music

[quaint mauve]

he makes a lot of different types of music so it’d be unfair to label him under one genre

[wintry solar]

I'll give it to you

I heard blue plastic, that's about all I know

I'll check the other ones out

[quaint mauve]

one more rec

hotel in minsk

[quaint mauve]

also brudda i literally make
emo music and you said you liked my song

[keen belfry]

@quaint mauve 600 ad at 28 minutes btw

[wintry solar]

YOUR song

Yeah I went there

[quaint mauve]

i had ult stack bug happen to me so i’ve been Qing only talon

actually lost me the game

[serene urchin]

bro made a gif

[keen belfry]

im the gif maker

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1464342131429871676/killin_pee.gif

[serene urchin]

wow thats really him john gifmaker

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1402784757288407100/Medal_GPNE600A5p.gif

ontopic?

[serene urchin]

wow sexy clip

[untold wadi]

so pro

even has the correct knife

[buoyant stratus]

!wang

!wangbar

😠

/wa

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[keen belfry]

is it still fucking ur screen ass

[buoyant stratus]

ye but now it wont show any color so im just fresh installing

[keen belfry]

banger addon

[buoyant stratus]

Figured it out, something with the MSUF textures broke

hmm now i need a new texture

[keen belfry]

d1 tezxture

[vivid vessel]

imagine not using the d1 texture

🌍

🌍

bro

[keen belfry]

its catually so gigga

[vivid vessel]

wtf

[keen belfry]

huge

[vivid vessel]

uh

where is i cant emote

oh i dont have nitro

gg

[keen belfry]

🌍

[vivid vessel]

thgats what comes up when yuo type ican

aparently

[gaunt phoenix]

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-meme-cat-eating-food-donut-doughnut-gif-2744236116460901039

[covert kestrel]

welp gang im off on my 6 month touch grass tour, see y'all in august

https://media1.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExemJ2c296N3dvY2lqdmdlaTlnNXdnY2UxMHVxNHJkMnN2NzY3Yzg3eSZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/Ru9sjtZ09XOEg/giphy.gif

ew no embed

fuckin noob

[frail veldt]

can you no longer change cast bar sizes?

or am I blind

[hasty warren]

check in genreral

[frail veldt]

only healthbar

[hasty warren]

strange

maybe with the edit mode

bliz one

ah no it's nameplate castbar

nvm

[frail veldt]

so you just cant edit it anymore?

oh nvm found it, ofc castbar size isnt under cast bar its under enemy npc/player

[wintry solar]

Where u goin

We're officially friends today

[frail veldt]

see ya boss

[wintry solar]

[desert tendon]

poop

[wintry solar]

Censi

[hasty warren]

poopoo

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint mauve]

no bro get back here and grind

[gaunt phoenix]

!abb

[ornate heath]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1463185499114963150/1465461182466101248/image.png?ex=698070d4&is=697f1f54&hm=2538dcb4cf4777ef7bc65cb563a0059b0e911fbe2c6270a3c18f2842af0ee9a2&

[vivid vessel]

wtf

rb qd ss and ks are bigger

who did this shit

[wintry solar]

Me

Got a problem?

[vivid vessel]

popo

= poop

[wintry solar]

Nuh uh

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-no-patrick-star-patrick-nope-gif-9473600452124631034

[desert tendon]

poop = popo

[wintry solar]

He gets it

That's art

[rich moon]

so when are we replacing the reshii? lol

[wintry solar]

I did as soon as I got a haste piece

[copper radish]

already gone lol

[peak dock]

Guys is there a bug where you can't add a goblin glider to your cloak or is it just the way it goes on mn ?

[past falcon]

the engineering cloak thing is bugged/not updated for midnight iirc

[hasty warren]

https://x.com/i/status/2028569714071683394

Dratnos (@Dratnos)

BREAKING: ret paladins close discord demanding blizzard nerf quest they're getting stuck on

X · Mar 2, 2026, 8:34 PM

[vapid sundial]

You get what you deserve

make one very stupid decision once and now be memed on it forever

[floral fable]

Aside from just a flat dmg boost, what fix or change do we think Outlaw needs to be more viable for both M+ and Raids? I feel like Blizz prefers the dagger specs.

[hasty warren]

better damage profil

more prio can be great

[frail veldt]

how do I get rid of this giant fucking adrenaline rush icon on my raid frames

[hasty warren]

kek

are u using an addon for frames ?

[frail veldt]

nope not afaik

[hasty warren]

idk then

maybe with edit mode

[untold wadi]

lmfao

what is that xd

on ur screen 4 times lole

[lucid isle]

So back in the day I would import a WA for my UI for CDs and resource management- is there a way in midnight to do something similar?

[vapid sundial]

5 technically

cuz of bar

[untold wadi]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/HAxQdOHbEAAZCnn.gif

[undone notch]

Okay, I was spitballing ideas for how to somehow give Rogue more team utility

Would blackjack turning blind into an AoE stun make it worth taking?

Maybe like... 45-50 sec CD and a 3 sec stun?

[cinder relic]

Make both atro and numbing better

[hollow bloom]

Is blind still AOE?

[cinder relic]

Yeah

But dont talk about it

[fossil lintel]

Make blackjack work even if the mob immunes the blind

There, rogue is now required (and likely a 4 of)

[gaunt phoenix]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[lucid sparrow]

the fate of every outlaw if 17th doesnt bring buffs

[fossil lintel]

Were we that far behind on beta?

[cinder relic]

Not really

Outlaw was very strong, then got a fairly large nerf, but so did like, 15 other specs

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-thinking-pondering-wondering-scratching-chin-gif-11502638504770659337

tha thinker

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, that's what I remember, we were op for a bit then they reverted the 10% buff and nerfed a bit more, but I expect most top specs to be merged as well

[summer nimbus]

so we dispatch on 5 instead of building to 6/7 to bte when its not on cd right?

[rich moon]

we don't talk about that

[fossil lintel]

Yeah, when playing fatebound you can dispatch at 5

[wicked kestrel]

how's outlaw feelings boys?

[lucid sparrow]

the cope here is

''so did every other spec''

[cinder relic]

How is that cope

Every OP spec got nerfed

[harsh forge]

I thought they got rid of aoe blind

is it a bug that its still aoe?

or am i missing something

[lucid sparrow]

you think 15% dmg nerf to outlaw has the same kind of 'impact' nerf for a ele shaman for example?

[cinder relic]

No idea how the other specs were impacted by their nerfs

I know like, shit like arcane and or frost got like a 12-15% nerf

Outlaw might be terrible idfk

All I know is Outlaw was very good

Outlaw got nerfed

Every other spec in the game also got nerfed

Where that specifically lands Outlaw, Who knows

idt its productive to just say spec sucks when idt anybody knows

[viral ruin]

Fuk the more i read this discord the more i wanna swap out of Rogue, Is any spec actually A tier?

[untold wadi]

is it a tier?

[cinder relic]

This discord is actually unbearable if ur trying to get into the class sometimes

[hollow bloom]

Outlaw be trying its hardest

[untold wadi]

maybe

[hollow bloom]

[cinder relic]

Outlaw and Sub are the most promissing specs atm

Sin has a lot of potential when it comes to funnel damage, and because its undertuned, it might get a buff it doesn't deserve because it can't flex its niche in raid (hypothetically)

[fossil lintel]

There's no way to know what will be meta until they do the post heroic week tuning anyway

[wicked forge]

How? I saw assassination had huge rework?

[cinder relic]

So did sub, so did Outlaw

[fossil lintel]

Tier lists right now are an exercise in futility

[cinder relic]

Rework =/= op

[fossil lintel]

Unless it's zorthas' tier list, that is the one blizz will use for buffs / nerfs

[frank finch]

ilvl 224 capes not better then reshii wraps

as per usual

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah, need at least champion 246+

[frank finch]

i guess the pvp one in war mode

[gaunt phoenix]

keep it anyway cuz they might disable reshii

[ashen void]

the outlaw faq looks great solo!

:)

[cinder relic]

I'm a contrarian so I will say its ugly

Take that

[ashen void]

youre a cutie guy

guy are you still crafting a sword

[worthy surge]

Im renown 9 with the amani but theres no quest for the neck

[hasty warren]

hi pitates

[smoky lotus]

is there a tier list for all the faqs so I know what to think

[violet swan]

You mean this pirate pitas?

[shell fossil]

tumbleweed ?_?

[young prism]

Are we keeping wraps and boots for now?

Or just the cloak?

[gaunt phoenix]

i forgor about the boots, for me an adventurer cloak+boots starts to win

[hasty warren]

need

[cobalt token]

New expac new rogue alt

Imagine having either

😝

[zenith egret]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[zenith egret]

Oh, a bit early to check on all rogue fuu sheet

[young prism]

thanks Solo

I was expecting to collect quests from zulaman and haranir zone after release

For champ gear

[cobalt token]

Basically just the bare minimum shit is done rn

[young prism]

Anyone managed to get any?

I suppose the activities for these are also not payable at the moment

[balmy topaz]

@gaunt phoenix Are these implemented in the sims?

[river wing]

hey these look pretty darn cheap

[cobalt token]

real might need to buy one in advance

[balmy topaz]

LET ME BUY 1 FIRST

[cobalt token]

if faq is to trust hunt or void would work fine

[balmy topaz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/i3HRz4KC2TZcQWzabGoc1L

Is this 246 trinket implemented

[rotund zodiac]

I miss having perma BF

[timid idol]

is there no way to drag all of these with arcui do i have to move them 1 by 1

[nova blaze]

yall think hidden opportunity could come back ?

[cinder relic]

Of course! A tier set could have a bunch of ambush related synergies

Would easily push it ahead

[icy cedar]

hi do you guys know if there's anyway to make the new RtB buffs show as icons instead of as bars with Blizzard's cdm or with an addon?

I don't really need to see that giant bar, i just want to know which one i have...

[snow vessel]

Move it from the bar section in cdm to the buffs section it will just be a buff icon with the rest of them

[serene urchin]

is there an addon that lets us separate the cooldown manager icons

[icy cedar]

tmw still works for that

it can track anything that it's in the cdm, you can make tmw icons in various places

[rotund zodiac]

Are there addons that play sound when abilities ready to use/buffs running out?

[sacred rune]

outlaw faq looks clean

[crude flower]

Alright
Everyone

What sets or fantasies are we going with this season

Pirate, highwayman, stuff like that

I’m sticking with pirate atm

[river wing]

gunslinger
transmog weapons to the smallest weapons possible, so vanilla fists (sadly monk hidden fists are monk only), so you're essentially just punching and kicking and sometimes blasting people with a gun

[balmy topaz]

WOW @gaunt phoenix Nice work buddy

looks so nice

[wintry solar]

Pirate

Gunslinger #324 isn't my cup of tea

If I want gunslingers I'll go to literally any other mmo

[rotund zodiac]

Thug

[patent mirage]

look at him chonking

[jolly geyser]

[river wing]

like fucking what
WoW doesn't have them
FFXIV only has Machinist which is cool but not that really, to the point Square even said that guns aren't really MCH's identity anymore (which gives me hopium for 8.0)
ESO has no guns
GW2 does have gun rogue but unfortunately there's nothing to play
SWTOR combines the lack of stuff to play with atrocious feel and also blasters aren't really guns

and everything else is either dead or dying or the grindiest piece of shit this side of 2008 or doesn't have gunslingers
like legit finding good games where you can dualwield pistols is a surprising challenge in the year of our lord 2026, doubly so for MMOs

[wintry solar]

I was doing this thing called exaggerating. A ton of MMOs do have them and theyre all identical

and theyre all garbage nothing burgers

my entire point was wow didnt have them

and thats why I like wow

[wintry solar]

was this some sort of gotcha?

Gunslinger is stupid and so are the people who want outlaw to be that

doubly so the people

people keep bringing up lost ark and league, go play those games. Leave mine alone

[misty briar]

now that there are no weakauras, is there an easy way to track when between the eyes reset or opportunity (pistol shot) stacks? blizzard's default cooldown manager doesnt seem very good for that

[crude flower]

I’ve found opportunity stacks not to hard to track, and the dopamine gun cock is more than enough for the BtE refresh. Other than that I’m unsure

I think there are better CD mods that improve it? Unsure of the name

I think it might just be “better cooldown manager” but idk

[mossy compass]

A bit of a mix, like Kul Tiran Highwayman.

I rock the new coats from the time walking vendor, and transmog a sword mainhand and brass knuckles off hand so it looks like I've got an empty hand.

[lusty night]

@vivid vessel I rolled the bones and they said you were a bum

[proven ocean]

@zac I rolled the bones and they said you were a bum

[crimson spade]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ruby quail]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[timid portal]

pirates does the m0 reset tomorrow?

[cobalt token]

question

why does the faq recommend primary stat food

instead of secondary

[snow vessel]

Because it’s good

[cobalt token]

dont you like always prefer secondary?

[snow vessel]

That’s it primary stat early expac normally better

Secondary is normally later

[unborn moon]

Be honest: does haranir outlaw feel weird firing guns?

Unless their root guns shoot acorns

[wintry solar]

yeah its weird now that you bring it up

[midnight ridge]

they should use 1h bows

[unkempt dew]

You can’t choose the outlaw life. The outlaw life choose you

[river wing]

not when the difference is like 20% absolute value, I think
TWW secondary food was better because it provided almost twice as much secondary stat as the other did primary

[silver vale]

HEy guys, anyone got a clue how i can replace my weakauras for Outlaw procs? My interface was so nice before 😭

[wintry copper]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[celest cobalt]

Thanks for the work on the FAQ solo. Very well written/easy to understand.

[balmy topaz]

Woah we procced a ronkley in the chat

[balmy topaz]

Not recommended to always go off but sim stat weights all you’ll see why

Usually early game 1 point of main stat is = to c3 points of best secondary stat

[mossy compass]

Should we consider secondary stat food if we're super low on Haste?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[tight jolt]

Is maintenance still happening? the notification dissapeared

[hot olive]

iv reached lvl 9 renown but the quartermaster wont give me the champion helm what do i need to do?

[tight jolt]

quest in silvermoon

purple one

[hot olive]

there is no purple quest iv done them all

[tight jolt]

try flying to fairbreeze

thats where you get the quest for it

[frigid pelican]

So looking at the faq and want to make sure I am interpreting it correctly. We should not use ambush at all unless we are playing HO?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[frigid pelican]

Thank you

[balmy topaz]

That spire trinket

Sims kinda nuts

[balmy topaz]

Do you have a sim for all the trinkets in one sim?

I honestly see gaze getting a nerf

It’s too good for too many people

[gaunt phoenix]

Probably

[unkempt dew]

So we dispatch with 5 combos points or more right?

[balmy topaz]

As FB yes

[unkempt dew]

Thanks

And BTE with 6 or 7 right?

[balmy topaz]

Yup

I havent looked but what is our variance like now compared to TWW

[fossil lintel]

Do we have bis sims yet?

Fuu's sheet only has it for sub

[shell fossil]

if we get a bte proc is it okay to do a builder on it?

or is it just send it when you get it

[snow vessel]

You still want to use it at 6/7 cp

If you get gravedigger you can just use again cuz full cp but if it’s just regular proc you need to build to use it again

[gaunt phoenix]

Should be similar to this https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/mKvoE4t24GZRgkAErn4Kqe

[random stirrup]

nerfed 25% and still bis for most

[gaunt phoenix]

But Crit flask vs Haste flask can produce 2 identical setups with different rings and shit

[fossil lintel]

Sub is simming 95

So we're ahead

Like always, but then at the end sub is always op

[gaunt phoenix]

Sure, patchwerk dps is only relevant on patchwerk

[gloomy moat]

do you guys happen to see the message "You must be in stealth" and the GCD of Ambush resetting? I am at constant 25ms with wired connection and it really feels like the game is the most unresponsive it has ever been for me...I checked the SpellQueueWindow cvar and it is set to 300

[fossil lintel]

Yes, and flat specs end up being a lot worse when mechanics are involved

[gaunt phoenix]

Weird but at least outlaw is not supposed to ambush anyway

[timid idol]

wait what

[zinc briar]

Guys, which class currently has the highest APM?

[timid idol]

werent they supposed to ban shit that tells you how to play the game like dbm?

[zinc briar]

Want something to smash buttons as alter

[snow vessel]

DBM doesn’t tell you how to play the game and no they weren’t

[timid idol]

[snow vessel]

I mean they very much are not banning boss timers

Stuff like hekilli and weakauras don’t work but knowing when a mechanic is coming up is pretty fundamental to how the game works

[fossil lintel]

They added support for boss mods (and their own boss mod) into the game, but it's a lot less powerful

They killed addons auto solving mechanics

Like seeing who got a debuff and automatically assigning them to specific markers

[dim widget]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[solemn karma]

Dbm is just baked into the base game now. Dbm and big wigs mostly reskin what the game does itself.

[misty anvil]

im learning fatebound and was wondering do u need to track or keep note of the coin flips at all?

or is it something that just plays itself and can forget abt

[plush oasis]

Pre-addon apocalypse it was something that just plays itself. No gameplay just some fun thematic coins flyin around once in awhile. I assume it's the same way now but I could be wrong, I went with fire mage to recreate TWW Outlaw crackshot windows. So I havent played around much on my outlaw yet. he'll be the next one I level.

[indigo token]

happy launch day everyone

[gleaming reef]

Wait what? Fire mage has crackshot now?

[keen belfry]

it plays itself, tracking the coins will just fill your buff bar with randomness

[plush oasis]

No I’m sorry, but your combustion -pyroblast spam feels like your crack shot tww season 1 window. It’s a minute cooldown so it’s up every pull. Plus you get cheat death and vanish as a fire mage. I’ve just got to get used to being ranged now. It’s a one minute cooldown. You feel like a machine gun.

But I might be in the minority of loving adren-crack shotting and not understanding the new outlaw

[keen belfry]

given this chat was a bunch of TWW outlaw players you are in the majority of not understanding the new outlaw

[plush oasis]

Oh fair 🙂 I meant people seemed to not like the old vanish / adren stuff. I am relatively new though so idk what's true. I started in TWW so this is my first time having to deal with change.

I don't like it

[keen belfry]

the "somewhat" consistent trend I see is:

people that played outlaw in TWW are not a fan of the new outlaw
people that either didnt play outlaw ever or played outlaw in like, BFA, like new outlaw

[strong halo]

what is the lvling addon i see all the streamers using

with a blue box and arrows

[keen belfry]

probs restedxp

[jolly geyser]

I didnt mind tww outlaw but it was tiring to play for long sessions

[plush oasis]

That makes a lot of sense and makes me feel a bit better! We we're niche so it could be a good long term change. even if it's not for me.

[plush oasis]

Yeah i'm 28 and my hands would hurt after a long raid night. tons of fun, but a stiff fingure somtimes hurt a parse.]

[keen belfry]

no one played rogue and no one played outlaw, but i also dont think the approach of scaring the only people who play it away is a good strategy improving playercount of that spec

im 29 with the finger strength of a god, my finger blasting has yet to hurt me palying outlaw

nbd

[plush oasis]

You’re were the chosen one, my genetic dice role wasn’t that high.

[jolly geyser]

my hands were fine,its just eyes get tired

[sonic bluff]

Guys, I've playing Outlaw since BFA and never switched to Assassination. Im a season player, usually stops after completing Heroic Raid and 12+ keys and rest till next season.

Tomorrow i'll be back in WoW. Tell me you honest opinion: Outlaw still fun and worth it, or it's really a time to try Assassination?

[keen belfry]

now is the time to try any and all specs 🙂

[shell fossil]

i hope they figure out assassination's identity in the .5 patch

it's a dot spec...but it's not

[plush oasis]

Sorry this is the first time I’m starting a season. When should I have pick that main for raid? Taking my time and enjoying a lot of different things rn

[keen belfry]

as long as its geared, u can swap whenever u want

[sonic bluff]

Totally agree with that, but unfortunately don't have much time and/or desire to switch back and forth. I 100% respect those who can test out all 3 specs, but I just want to stick with 1 for the whole Midnight, even if it's not the best (like Outlaw wasn't the best of 3 in last season, but was still fun to play)

[craggy quiver]

Finger blaster awang

[plush oasis]

Oh fair okay thank you thank you

[craggy quiver]

[keen belfry]

i finger blast all the time during wow

[keen belfry]

truthfully, every spec in the game has gotten MUCH easier to play. literally every single spec. combo of that + sticking to one spec can fuck u a bit, id try it out again

and no way to know

i would assume we get some kind of rework to most specs still this xpac

[plush oasis]

Outlaw is always a little weird for gearing if you want to play multiple specs. But I’m new so idfk

[keen belfry]

i mean chat, outlaw has subterfuge capstone row, HO, killing spree, and fast action. our talent tree will get severe changes eventually maybe in 1am xpac

[keen belfry]

stats have changed, this is now the most specs have ever overlapped in terms of stats
assa likes all
outlaw and sub NEED haste

[plush oasis]

Idk why I’m being contrarian I just like being one spec. Sry u right

U the king

[keen belfry]

contrarian is fun life styler

[random stirrup]

I have this gem saved now

[plush oasis]

Nobody has ever asked me to swap specs. But the boogeyman in my head is hella scarey.

[keen belfry]

did he finally admit it???

[night dragon]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[random stirrup]

yes, we got him

[keen belfry]

timestamp

https://klipy.com/gifs/doctor-strange-dr-strange-2

[night spindle]

Ahh yes the most popular spec in the game for another season folks. Blizzard loves outlaw

[random stirrup]

i once said that i actually agreed with a lot his takes, despite his occasional contrarian ragebait, then he dropped this on me

[past falcon]

deadass i miss shadowlands

well. the first half of it. well, castle nathria. well actually, daddy denathrius

[sonic bluff]

I've been asked to swap to Assassination too many times 🙁 Even when I'm top-3 dps in my Raid, even when Im top-1/2 in my M+ perma group they always tells me : "Imagine what can you do as Assassination!" 🙁 And I simply don't want to because it was kinda slow and boring compared to Outlaw

[jolly geyser]

based on fun I had (guild etc)

[hybrid zealot]

people praising legion that much makes me want to self harm tbh

[wintry solar]

Legion was really fun yeah

[hybrid zealot]

it was ass until later patches

[wintry solar]

The class halls were sick

[hybrid zealot]

they only added legendaries vendor in 7.3.5 lmao

[wintry solar]

yeah they had a habit of fixing the expacs problems during the last patch of the expac

shadowlands was peak gameplay

most specs peaked in design then

granted, when you give every spec a shit ton of toys, youre gonna have that

[hybrid zealot]

EN was ass, farming legendaries was ass, artifact power was mega ass, ability pruning was ass, broken shore was ass

people just have rose tinted glasses because they fixed most of the shit in 7.3 and 7.3.5

[wintry solar]

I dont see pruning as a negative, I just see it as something that has to happen from time to time

[jolly geyser]

I rated on fun

[hybrid zealot]

oh and spending the first minute of a fight rerolling rtb was extra fun

suffering 95% of pulls just to get that 6 buffs on pull dopamine once in a month

[jolly geyser]

I played sin,no problem here

[wintry solar]

I loved how feast or famine spender rtb was

[hybrid zealot]

i mean it was better than what we have now tbh

[craggy quiver]

EN was the best ( definitely was not playing shadow smile)

[hybrid zealot]

also cloak having 0 cooldown with -cd buff

[desert tendon]

@glass mortar is valeera useless beacause she s a rogue? Was that the lore behind making her the delve companion?

[random stirrup]

wdym valeera's insane

shes way better than brann

[glass mortar]

The lore is blizzard saw certain players, (let's call them the censi of the world) are into certain types of npcs

[severe charm]

she's way stronger as a healer than brann ever was

[desert tendon]

idk anything about current delves

i m just keeping in touch with my favorite person in this entire discord

valeera healer

pog

[cinder relic]

Just complaining for the sake of it

[mystic berry]

rogue healer incoming lads

[hybrid zealot]

valeera basically didn't exist before they put her in hearthstone as a rogue character

[severe charm]

outlaw remake into bard, les get it

[mystic berry]

we would finally find groups

[severe charm]

valeera blade flurry deck in the wow tcg was goated, so thats a hot take

[desert tendon]

valeera existed before hs

wtf

[rare panther]

How do you feel about the changes in the outlaw?

[quaint mauve]

bard spec would be sick

[desert tendon]

that s actually true

wow get no bard

it s a pretty common design usually

[severe charm]

rogue makes the most sense to be turned into a bard tbh, since blizzard has no idea how to make a rogue class identity

[wintry solar]

Legion Outlaw in its entirety

[plush oasis]

Man, goes to show tier lists rots our brains. If you are top 3 dps in raid and they want you to play a more optimal spec because of a tier list when it's there base abilities that are sandbagging.

[wintry solar]

with greed and ghostly shell

and Dreadblades Vigor

[cinder relic]

What do you mean

[wintry solar]

is it not obvious?

[severe charm]

do you feel like rogue has a good identity right now?

[cinder relic]

Yeah

[keen belfry]

bard is a OP champ on league

[quaint mauve]

yo awang

[keen belfry]

yo

[cinder relic]

Assassination is bleeds
Sub is stealth bonuses
Outlaw is just brawling

[quaint mauve]

look at my rengar bro

wtf is he doing

[cinder relic]

What identity seems missing rn

[keen belfry]

ur rengar so ass no cap

[jolly geyser]

cat

[frail veldt]

truuu

[keen belfry]

Mine rn

[jolly geyser]

shrimp

[quaint mauve]

bro this is his favorite thing to do

[frail veldt]

but also theyre so close to having an identity for outlaw I just wish they would lean in

[quaint mauve]

just sitting in the coach like that

[desert tendon]

Mewo is outlaw identity

big hand for bigger blade flurry

[frail veldt]

I should get 8 yard range melee

[wintry solar]

no I should

I've already said this

and they should buff only me and nerf all of you

[keen belfry]

brawling is a tough identity

[frail veldt]

yeah true tbh

you need it most

[jolly geyser]

combine sub&sin and add bard

[keen belfry]

cause i play other melee specs and i think im just melee brawling too

[cinder relic]

It's like fury

[frail veldt]

yeah it isnt one lol

[cinder relic]

What's furys identity then

[keen belfry]

if our identity is shared with others

[wintry solar]

bloodthirsty

[keen belfry]

cooked

[frail veldt]

It would be nice if they like actually were more forward with some of the identity stuff

[wintry solar]

and really really angery

[cinder relic]

Let me be More specific then

[frail veldt]

for outlaw especially

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is a gunslinger focused on rapid attacks

[quaint mauve]

we’re agile brawler

[wintry solar]

boring

[cinder relic]

That's it's identity

[quaint mauve]

fury is angry brawler

[keen belfry]

i think its a fartslinger

[cinder relic]

Basically

[past falcon]

gunslinger gives duelist vibe, fury is zug zug

[cinder relic]

Basically

[quaint mauve]

idk what yall hate ngl i like being a gunslinger

[frail veldt]

its like almost something but they keep backing out from actually carving out a niche

[quaint mauve]

i just wish we had more pirate themed stuff

[keen belfry]

you arent a gunslinger

naoh fence

[frail veldt]

yeah they didnt like this

[quaint mauve]

oh

[wintry solar]

you mean the people that didnt play outlaw didnt like it

[frail veldt]

idk I mean blizzard didnt

theyre the ones who removed it

[severe charm]

outlaw is deffinantly not a gunslinger

[frail veldt]

but pistol

[desert tendon]

Vancleef baby

[quaint mauve]

you have 3 gun abilities tho brotato

closest we’re getting in wow

[frail veldt]

outlaws identity is "deadmines"

[desert tendon]

Was mewo

[frail veldt]

wait whats the 3rd

[severe charm]

just because we have a pistol doesn't make us a gunslinger lol.

[cinder relic]

Killing Spree

[quaint mauve]

pistol bte ks

[frail veldt]

ah thast right

[wintry solar]

and 3 melee abilities

cancels out

[cinder relic]

I mean idk U can say u don't like the outlaw fantasy but rogue fantasy is fine rn

[wintry solar]

4 if you count SnD

[frail veldt]

it does kinda suck that we cant really take advantage of our guns much

were still very melee reliant

[cinder relic]

It's arguably more defined with stealth being decoupled from all 3 specs

[past falcon]

give the 3 melee abilities the range of a ret pally and boom

[frail veldt]

so I dont feel the gunslinger vibe as strong as it could be

[patent mirage]

It's happening again

[wintry solar]

Replace KS with something else please, I cant stand that animation

[severe charm]

tbh outlaw is closer to a D&D ranger than anything

[cinder relic]

So many RPGs now have "the gambler" and outlaws fantasy is a hybrid between that and a gunslinger

[wintry solar]

name 3

[desert tendon]

Popo poop oppo

[keen belfry]

midnight, the warwithin, dragonflight

get shit on popoop!

[wintry solar]

damn he got me

[cinder relic]

Bravely default, mewgenics, new Vegas

[keen belfry]

the only rolling we do is for toilet paper

[wintry solar]

I meant MMOs, I set the bar too low. Thats on me.

[cinder relic]

Final fantasy and dragon quest have also had gamblers in them

[keen belfry]

its okay popo

[wintry solar]

I should replay new vegas

[keen belfry]

the house always wins