outlaw

[balmy topaz]

Just stealth through it basically

?

[fathom bramble]

yeah

unlock 7 cages

grapple up past the stealth sight guy

kill nothing except the minibosses and boss

[fathom bramble]

you can kill nemesis packs as well if you want, but idk if it's efficient or not

[balmy topaz]

This it?

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[ancient cobalt]

how often u gettin that 224 gear and war bound

[fathom bramble]

very

[quaint mauve]

do i need to track gravedigger

or no

[ancient cobalt]

sweet ill do that today

no tier 8 increase, sadd

[ancient cobalt]

hell yeah

[fathom bramble]

and like 20-25 extra items still in my bags or disenchanted

[balmy topaz]

all from this?

[fathom bramble]

yeah

delve bis

[ancient cobalt]

ooo dude if i was enchanting i wonder how much gold the blue des are worth

thats sweet gold too

[balmy topaz]

How are your stats looking

[fathom bramble]

bad

[balmy topaz]

How's the haste

[balmy topaz]

Yikes

I mean

it's not that bad

[fathom bramble]

no gems/food/enchants

I assume I could get a few more %

[balmy topaz]

It's 1am here

pray this is still up tomorrow

[fathom bramble]

I think the nemesis mobs are worth doing

[balmy topaz]

Mate

[fathom bramble]

seems to give a 227 warbound most of the time

[balmy topaz]

she keeps pulling shit

[fathom bramble]

but it's like plate/cloth and shit so

better if you have alts you care about

[balmy topaz]

Also what do you have her set yo

tank or dps

[fathom bramble]

Healer

I didn’t try her as tank, but as dps either she would die with tricks or I would die if I didn’t

[balmy topaz]

Fair play

[quaint mauve]

ewwwww

[fathom bramble]

It’s only a few hours of optimized delving

[balmy topaz]

Apparently delve stories are daily reset

This gear is not ideal

[pearl topaz]

spoiler tag please i dont want to look at that without a warning

that gear is disgusting

[gaunt phoenix]

Nice haste bro

[fallow canopy]

question. when ace up your sleeve procs and between the eyes resets do i use it again or save it for when the buff is off cd?

[gaunt phoenix]

You use it again, but you have to build combo points still

[fallow canopy]

yea thats fine i figured as much. im having a lot more fun with outlaw than sub atm. i might main it lol

[gaunt phoenix]

Law is still fun

[keen belfry]

what class should i lvl now that law is 90

[gaunt phoenix]

Law 2

[keen belfry]

what about fun one

im sorry solo i leveled as sub

[fallow canopy]

another class? i say survival hunter

there pretty good right now

[covert kestrel]

Enhawang where

[fallow canopy]

duall wielding survival hunter dont be a lame and play 2h

[hasty warren]

survival

[copper radish]

has any1 tried to cook a build without apex? would it even be close lmao

[fathom bramble]

average value of each apex is ~5% per point

there isn't anything we can take that comes anywhere close to that

[keen belfry]

totemic thjo!

[covert kestrel]

Totemic or bust

[keen belfry]

id rather bust

[past falcon]

i think ill level up my fury warr in honor of zach

[keen belfry]

what race? western woman?

[past falcon]

LMOA

[keen belfry]

Wester Woman Furry Warrior

[ancient cobalt]

@fathom bramble whats the bis valerera setup what role

[fathom bramble]

I've been using healer

she still does kind of a lot of damage as a healer too which is nice

[keen vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ancient cobalt]

noice

[past falcon]

why am i getting tww resources while in a level 7 midnight delve

[quaint grail]

how are u guys feeling about outlaw for midnight?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/chernobyl-not-great-not-terrible-its-okay-gif-24540363

[untold wadi]

rogue tax

[supple vault]

trying to copy foreverguy's cooldown setup, but it won't let me name it and finalise it

?

[lucid sparrow]

wat am i taking here

reprimand? induction? lethality?

[cold falcon]

Soothing darkness to heal when you vanish alt f4

[lucid sparrow]

good shout

locked in

[near rock]

got the sigil for the darkmoon deck combo

[real mauve]

praying for outlaw buffs

sub is a snoozefest

[mystic berry]

The diff for cb and sc is about 1%?

[random stirrup]

man valeera is miles stronger than brann

you literally cannot die

[old gull]

how manyilvls is the cloak worth

[cinder relic]

The cloak needs a nerf p sure

lol

[old gull]

so just keep it on for now? lol

[frank finch]

sims dont work ?

i tried to sim all this random +ilvl stuff

[hasty warren]

idk if I play outlaw as alt this season...

still addict to gambling

[civic zephyr]

wasnt until i hit level 87 where it finally got swapped

everything else got swapped at 84

[buoyant rampart]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[clear turtle]

anyone noticing their bte literally doing 0 damage

just randomly it does nothing

but still eats the cp

[sonic pawn]

do we just run lethality + cb now that supercharger is bugged atm ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Nah you still use sc

[keen belfry]

this spec at 90 with 10% haste

also mr solo

does our opener change with prep now

with sc rule

[lavish shoal]

How close are heightened rush and menacing rush?

In %dps

[lavish shoal]

You still need snd so prob not

If you delay dispatch then you delay slice and dice

[keen belfry]

im talking about bte stuff

these cooldown maanger addons are actually SO BAD

i thinkm gonna just use default + wangbar

[lavish shoal]

Well yeah are you not asking about replacing the dispatch in opener with bte?

[keen belfry]

i am not asking about that no

[keen belfry]

meh idk what you could possibly do i think my brain is being dumb

[lavish shoal]

Sorry I’m stunlocked rn

[keen belfry]

like do you just ignore BTE resets on opener if you get 2 in a row

i wonder

[lavish shoal]

Wdym by ignore bte resets

[keen belfry]

like not press bte if it resets twice

[lavish shoal]

You press it cause the buff keeps stacking

[keen belfry]

or idk wha tim saying let me hit the dummy

[lavish shoal]

You would potentially delay it if snd was gonna fall off

[keen belfry]

yes i know what bte does

[keen belfry]

this will never happen

maybe in leveling sure

im talking about always have BTE for supercharger, specifically

[wintry solar]

anyone up wanging they bar?

[lavish shoal]

Yeah but nothing in our opener would interact with that

[keen belfry]

how

[lavish shoal]

We always will use dispatch first finisher into bte

[keen belfry]

but then u prep

[lavish shoal]

Yeah you prep as long as bte didnt reset itself

[keen belfry]

yes and then do u sit on that bte

thats my whole point of this conversation bucko

[lavish shoal]

30 seconds of AR is like what

10 seconds

Combat time?

[keen belfry]

wat

[lavish shoal]

You hold bte if AR is coming up in 30 seconds or less

Per the pins

So I’d assume it’s similar

You’d send that first bte and hold when it comes off cd most likely

[keen belfry]

am confused with what ur saying

its more variable cuz

[ripe portal]

outlaw is the best for dungeons ?

[keen belfry]

u can have like, 10 seconds of AR Left, with AR and BTE off CD

do you hold there?

at what threshold do you hold?

[lavish shoal]

Yes that’s what I am saying

You would send that bte and hold the next one

[keen belfry]

hold the next one?

[lavish shoal]

Yep

[keen belfry]

why woul du hold the next one lol

you will be in the middle of your 2nd ar

[lavish shoal]

You’d have it back before your 2nd ar

[keen belfry]

you sometimes dont

which again, is the essence of my whole question

[lavish shoal]

I mean with current tuning wouldn’t you

With the current bug right

You’d always dispatch first

Into bte

Every supercharger

Cause it can just eat both if it procs gravedigger

[keen belfry]

why would you dispatch into bte every supercharger lol

what if u can bte and bte both superchargers!@

that seems better to me!

[lavish shoal]

I mean it’s a 50/50 that you just lose the 2nd supercharger

[keen belfry]

mhm and 100% you lose BTE CDR if u dispatch into bte for supercharger

[lavish shoal]

Yep

[keen belfry]

so i dont think dispatch into bte for supercharger is recommended

[lavish shoal]

Would have to run sims with bug

Chance that it’s better to dispatch

[keen belfry]

yes theres always a chance

but this one is quite low

[wintry copper]

hello chat returning player here, is outlaw APM still very high in midnight or is it better now

[lavish shoal]

APM not very high

[keen belfry]

you are trading one supercharger saved per supecharger +apex line up, for losing bte cdr + potential loss of double supercharged BTEs

but yes back to question from the start solo i miss u man where r u man

[lavish shoal]

Wouldn’t it just be bis to go into AR with 10 or so seconds left on bte

Then you dispatch into bte

For superchargers

Theoretically

That’s where my head is at for the opener

I’m assuming the sims showing a 1% loss for the supercharger bug were ran while holding bte for AR

[keen belfry]

that CAN happen, if it lines up properly

[lavish shoal]

I’m just gonna put it out there

[gaunt phoenix]

Playing the game

[keen belfry]

why?

you only have 3 weeks of nothing

[keen belfry]

SIT

DOWN BOY

[fair charm]

Did they get rid of AoE blind?

[gaunt phoenix]

No, it's baseline

Is it a bug, maybe

But we dont talk about it

[fair charm]

Nice. I saw it working but all the text seems missing.

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[keen belfry]

superhcarger

feels so much better than cum blood

that talent so MEH

and the sound it made?>?!?!?!

playing around fat zero in + supercharged BTEs feels good

[gaunt phoenix]

It should still be worth it

[lavish shoal]

Cum blood

?????????

[gaunt phoenix]

the first supercharger is way more impactful than the second one that might disappear

[keen belfry]

yeah

cuz zero in?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeh

[keen belfry]

and um

[lavish shoal]

Oh I see

[keen belfry]

is our opener in ST

AR snd

[gaunt phoenix]

It was the same when i looked

[lavish shoal]

Should be AR dispatch cause dispatch gives snd no

[gaunt phoenix]

But i didnt try like 1 minute duration

[keen belfry]

i was just confused cuz when u posted tc channel stuff

the only sim i saw with a rotation was AR snd

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah that's because

It's the same, and Snd is better in aoe

So I didnt make a point to distinguish

[keen belfry]

so just defaulting one opener ok

i think in ST AR dispatch feels better to me

so i just do that me thinks

[gaunt phoenix]

It does feel better

[keen belfry]

AR snd feels quite akward

[lavish shoal]

It’s the same????

How is it the same

🫨

[keen belfry]

i think cuz it doesnt really matter and maybe u can get two supercharged btes with no bug

snd doesnt consume sc as i learned

[lavish shoal]

Snd doesn’t consume sc

Oh

I see

[keen belfry]

but it feels like shit

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[keen belfry]

so dont do it

but also... two SC BTEs is quite nice....

[lavish shoal]

I’m coming back to this

[keen belfry]

like the pure vibes of pressing BTE 3 times in opener then pressing prep into another AR SC BTE chain is good

[lavish shoal]

Isnt zero in consumed when you cast bte?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[lavish shoal]

So the first sc on bte is worth more than the second

But if you dispatch into bte then it would be the same value no

[keen belfry]

bte cdr cuh

[gaunt phoenix]

Maybe it's the same cause it is 1 global out of 568

[keen belfry]

568

is that how many we get in 5 min fight

[lavish shoal]

I think there’s a world where you

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[lavish shoal]

Don’t hold

BtE

Cause of the bug

Idk

[keen belfry]

i agree

it might not be this world tho

[lavish shoal]

Lmaooooo

[keen belfry]

supercharger value lies within the fact u cast it with BTE

me thinks

[lavish shoal]

The bug loses as much dps as the micro optimization to hold bte gained

Just saying

[lavish shoal]

I mean

You get restless cdr

And also apex bullet

If dispatch

[keen belfry]

i spoke in exaggerataadadsaion yes u get a bunch of free combo poitns form supercharger

[lavish shoal]

Also dmg

[keen belfry]

but the vibes u also gain from highe r% chance of bte reset

beats the sim

[lavish shoal]

Yes

Ace is pog

For sure

[keen belfry]

i run 2 ace

cuz it can sometimes get u back to 6cp

[gaunt phoenix]

ill just remove it

[lavish shoal]

Is that

Because of the big

Bug

[keen belfry]

what about my vibes

[lavish shoal]

Now try to dispatch before bte

Every supercharger

If you can

[gaunt phoenix]

That's not worth

Someone asked yesterday

[lavish shoal]

damn

Sad days

[keen belfry]

im confused now solo

.5% is a decent minmax find

[gaunt phoenix]

huge

[lavish shoal]

We found the .3%

[keen belfry]

.3% aoe gain LET SGO

[lavish shoal]

It’s in AoE

Let’s go

[gaunt phoenix]

That's with 41% crit though

So..

[lavish shoal]

Let’s hold guys

[keen belfry]

does holding it get worse or ebtter wtih gear

[lavish shoal]

Better with crit

And gear yes

[gaunt phoenix]

with no crit your zero in is much lower

[keen belfry]

in my head

holding BTE is worse with high crit cuz waste zero in

i forget hjow much we gained on prepatch with 40% crit

how much zero in stacks we gained*

but also could see inverse in my head

where holding with bad crit is bad cuz ur zero in barely rises

[gaunt phoenix]

i overrode crit to 20% or something

[lavish shoal]

What’s the chance that all three rogue specs are turbo dogshit this tier

[gaunt phoenix]

whatever 400 rating is

[keen belfry]

400 raiting is quitte high

[gaunt phoenix]

xd

[keen belfry]

im 290 with 19%

well not quite high but 400 crit isnt 20% so

get shit on

[keen belfry]

sub will find a way in

[lavish shoal]

It’s looking so doomed

Might be a poe tier

[keen belfry]

blade furry is so fucking annoying

[cinder relic]

Low considering that sub already is confirmed good aeoe

[keen belfry]

i dont HATE how outlaw works

[cinder relic]

OUtlaw I think is like, omega slept on

and sin is like, an absurdly broken funnel spec, but is undertuned otherwise, itll get an aura buff and be key king

[keen belfry]

but our energy and blade furry is actually so shit

[cinder relic]

Probably

[keen belfry]

ryldd typing

yay...

[random stirrup]

how does outlaw levelling even work without uhuh for blade flurry

dont u just not have the cdr to maintain it

and get sad

[gaunt phoenix]

ye a bit

[keen belfry]

i leveled for a few quests as outlaw

u often have no rtb buff either

and your AR is used on one mob

sub is just bettter leveling

sec tech destroys

[cinder relic]

I felt like leveling felt super good idk

Am I crazy

[keen belfry]

you just love wow

[clear turtle]

well leveling as outlaw felt miserable

sad to learn sub felt good

[keen belfry]

it was

[clear turtle]

only sad to learn now that is

[keen belfry]

sub feels good in open world yes

[clear turtle]

and I have no daggers to swap zzzz

am 90

[random stirrup]

ye i did outlaw levelling for tww

but sub was no brain choice i feel this time

[keen belfry]

yeah

[cinder relic]

Sub 4sure better

[keen belfry]

blizz wants more outlaw players and they make it the worst leveling spec (not tuining related) and not function at lvl 90 haste

[cinder relic]

For sure was getting more icky by the end

Felt like most mobs died to like, a bte and a dispatch

[random stirrup]

also bf not flurrying killing blows

quite troll

[cinder relic]

ya thats annoying

Blade rush kinda does a million tho

[jolly geyser]

Been outlaw lvling only since i have no daggers heh

[cinder relic]

I was like, 35% haste on prepatch tho

So I had giga haste for awhile

[keen belfry]

you will end up around 10

[jolly geyser]

Just gotta get out of bed so I can hit 90 in couple hrs.

[keen belfry]

idk what to spec to level 2nd

[cinder relic]

Nah ik lol

Done with this rogue already

[keen belfry]

its actually crazy how much energy apex 4 saves u

[cinder relic]

Yeah

I was saying that when I first played with it

I was like, blown away at the difference

[keen belfry]

sad that this wall of text is nothing without "costs no energy"

[clear turtle]

definitely could have been a less wordy tooltip

[cinder relic]

Idr think so

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix i have one weird test for you

so holding bte for AR SC good fun yes

but the hypothethical of consuming your apex BEFORE that

so u can potentially get apex reset and then two sc BTEs in

like pressing BTE here

that way u can maybe get 3 "buffed" chances at bte resets

one guaranteed, and maybe 2 (no bug) BTE super charges

[slate plaza]

what are you guys using for cd tracking now that wa is gone

[keen belfry]

cooldown manager

[slate plaza]

built in one?

its not customizable no?

[keen belfry]

it really depends

u can use arcui, but its a lot of work and buggy

bettercooldownmanager is fine too

im trying no addon for now and mine looks like the pic above

[slate plaza]

how did you rearrange it]

[keen belfry]

this dicates the order from left to right

[slate plaza]

ahh didnt notice ty

apart that most/all other ui addons still work(big wigs, dbm, suf, elvui, plater, etc?)

[keen belfry]

yeah

[slate plaza]

kk ty

[keen belfry]

one more thing solo this screenshot is bad example cuase i would end up with AR off CD and at max combo points, but i think you get what i mean

[slate plaza]

is ur cp the default resuorce bar?

[keen belfry]

!wang

!wangbar

[slate plaza]

!wangbar

[keen belfry]

!wngnagnanganga

[slate plaza]

!

!list

[keen belfry]

its an aaddon

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[keen belfry]

wangbar

[slate plaza]

is there a differnce between msuf and suf and platynator and plater

[keen belfry]

yes they ahve differences

go test em out cuh

[random stirrup]

im pretty sure suf is dead for midnight

[buoyant rampart]

Im trying to import foreverguys outlaw rogue package

Is it directly thru this or an addon? (its not working)

havent played since an expan ago so im lost without my WA's

[keen belfry]

take a few minutes to learn the cooldown manager it genuinely takes like

3 minutes to setup

and is a good skill to learn this xpansion!

[buoyant rampart]

I copied my homework since 3rd grade and its gotten me pretty far BUDDY

but sure

[slate plaza]

i got better cooldown manager and called ita day

[keen belfry]

that works too

[cinder relic]

1|LdC9L0NRGAbwag38A3i6uIYukp7F6HuUoNK0JpI2gqEShlvVDrhCmtjuiUHCoL235baTCBJfSWOXGCTqc5JYzAaL9ynL7z3n3HvOe56z2bxe6Oi2NnYngr6m0z7Yt7DvYb9Dt8L+gf0F3Q59DD0s388O4DpwP6Ej0NPQKegsSmEcOfD2oUah4vBGoMagYlCT3FGA7kH4AdqBDrHFIBkiPHFpRkgtQyWkXpic7JAVoVZFNSB1bgoqysU0MeG0sWZIluSE8yfBeyYvKCZRrHP4St7Yqx+5E6lXcW5YI6vs4JIyOSQlIfGB6p7Uyxb+HyMMUvNIRbh5hEqi0ovyd9Dn377m8QMyuut0A5as+61GJGOLL/MfPiT5u/KNLI2If8EkYLEuceTC1nh0cT49a4SNSNpcSGZ+AQ==

Try this

[keen belfry]

but you still need to update the buffs/spells you want to track in the cooldown maanger settings thingy!

everyone should familiraiziizire!

[buoyant rampart]

ty bro (fyi the link from ur wowhead didnt work for me mayb its a me problem tho <3)

this one worked

[cinder relic]

Nah it just hasn't been working for me

I've fixed it like 3 times

I might be dumb but hjopefully that works

[buoyant rampart]

tyty gl on the grind o7

[cinder relic]

fwiw I have everything disabled out of combat

Except the buff bar

I know most ppl dont like that

[lavish shoal]

Wait

[daring yoke]

do people receive any cache when completing stomarion assault?

[buoyant rampart]

Is it supposed to look like this (ignore my faded out bars behind)

[cinder relic]

No

[buoyant rampart]

If so it worked, if not it didnt

all good i'll cook up my own, thanks again for trying

[cinder relic]

It should have like

All the stuff black and whitelisted

But like, idk why its formated so poorly

1|JdC/L0NRFAfwag38A/h2UYNF0rt09HuUoNK0JpI2gqEShj7VDniCwfZuDBIG7Xstr28SQeJX0tglBonfJonFbLA439flc+57995z7jmbzeuljh5zY28iHGg664N1B+sB1id0K6w/WD/Q7dAn0MOyf34Ix4bzDR2HnobOQhdQieLYhnsANQqVgjsCNQaVhJrkjRJ0DNFHaBu6myUGyRBhxqUZIbsMlZY4NyVc5vhnl6wIdQ9eCCrBb4PkYLcx5kmBFIWLF8F9JW8oZ1B+5vKdfLBWP4qnEq9TvLBGVpncIVVyRCpC+gvevsSrFp5PEjZSd0lNuH2CyqDWi+pvOBDcuWH6AVnddzpd243ajSf6T/ebCZp+l5EtDouTiMkwZCohU/KY44nFeWM2Eo3EjdxCJv8P

try this if not gg I hate my life

[crimson cave]

wowhead is telling me to send off bte's and dispatches off at 5cp. is that correct or should i be waiting til 6cp?

[cinder relic]

Yep

For fatebound

[buoyant rampart]

No change but i cant relog right now (in delve lul)

lemme finish up and i'll try relog see if it works

[gaunt phoenix]

you bte at 6

[lavish shoal]

What happens to chance over 100 for bullet storage from apex 4

[gaunt phoenix]

dispatch at 5

[crimson cave]

for fatebound?

[cinder relic]

Wait

it says bte at 6

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[cinder relic]

IT DOESNT

Let me fix it

[crimson cave]

bet

thanks yall ❤️

[lavish shoal]

Do we know

If bullet works like cp over 100%

[cinder relic]

Fixed it

[lavish shoal]

Does 10 cp dispatch give you a 20% for a second bullet

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[patent mirage]

good morning pirates

[cinder relic]

@fathom bramble

You here?

[keen belfry]

I’m nervous for solo to get back to me that could be a new massive cook never seen before +.2% dps

[fluid salmon]

does anyone know how to get the radiant foil/ abyss sabre weapons

[fathom bramble]

I am now

[fathom bramble]

I was trying to test this and never got it to give 2 bullets at once

for now I assume it just caps it at 100% chance even at 10 combo points

[rapid spoke]

which food should we be using?

[fathom bramble]

primary stat

[tiny onyx]

So with fatebound we're dropping killing spree? (I was getting so used to it while leveling ;_;)

just hit 90 and switched to the pinned fatebound build

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah ks is stinky

Trickster uses it cause you are forced to

[ancient cobalt]

@fathom bramble

we uppp

[fathom bramble]

gaming

[ancient cobalt]

been unlucky with my own gear but its cool

lmfaoo

[tiny onyx]

Also anyone else feel like it was rough going through the campaign as rogue ungeared

[ancient cobalt]

valeera lvl 16

[silver ginkgo]

whats best delve to farm

[fathom bramble]

I felt unusually weak even as a raid geared character

compared to what I was watching other classes do or what we could do last expac

[tiny onyx]

Yeah I was watching streams of Warriors or some form of tank and they were just pulling everything and taking it down like it was nothing.
Meanwhile im out here struggling to kill 2-3 mobs with cds

especially that ||T'sera boss near the end of the campaign||

Also is this supercharger better than last season? (or at least S2 of war within) because the charges start at the beginning of our combo bar

[clear turtle]

pray system just gave me a bow in outlaw loot specialization

220 bow >_>

[tiny onyx]

Also this is off-topic for the channel, but for world quests in the map are we free to do all of them or is there like a weekly cap?
EG: If i do 2 open world quests then I am at 2/10 for the week etc

[fathom bramble]

you can do all of them

and superchargers position on the combo point bar is just cosmetic

it is consumed for bonus combo points on any finisher

[ancient cobalt]

do delves have all the slots

i feel like im gettin the same stuff lmaoo

[tiny onyx]

the one im familiar with is the version where the supercharged point was in position 4 or 6 etc

this version you just spend combo points normally, right?

[fathom bramble]

yeah this version is more like supercharging your next 2 finisher casts to add +3 combo points

so you just spend normally for a bonus instad of trying to hit anything specific

[ancient cobalt]

yooo

[tiny onyx]

speedster trinket

[fathom bramble]

mine also rolled speed

[fathom bramble]

this one is very good right now

[ancient cobalt]

i feel like i looted all the slots is there a journal for delve lmao

[fathom bramble]

I have looted every slot I think

I have full "osseoclad" which is the leather armor

and I've gotten a neck, 2 rings, and a few cloaks

[ancient cobalt]

ok there are rings i didnt get any just so many trinkets lmfao

i got the neck wrists, belt trinkets

perhaps very unlucky

[balmy topaz]

I’ve been to sleep

Woken up

And you’re still there

[fathom bramble]

well I haven't been delving this entire time

[tiny onyx]

Whats our ideal stats with fatebound?

[fathom bramble]

I got every slot done like 6 hours ago

or somethin

[tiny onyx]

are we still Verse/crit>haste>mastery (war within)

[lavish shoal]

haste crit

[balmy topaz]

Look at #outlaw-faq

[balmy topaz]

Are you bothering farms stats for the slots

Or

[fathom bramble]

there is only 1 of each item for armor slots

[balmy topaz]

Also what level is your val now

[balmy topaz]

Ahhh

[fathom bramble]

and I got haste jewellry already

so I just left

idk what else can drop

[lavish shoal]

is that cape

better than reshi

[fathom bramble]

probably not

[lavish shoal]

sad

[fathom bramble]

they'll probably disable reshii soon

maybe when midnight actually launches

[balmy topaz]

You’re US aren’t you?

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[balmy topaz]

Yeah I’d say i think I can sort out

Some good enchantments

[balmy topaz]

Well guess it’s time for renown gear for you

Get some 246 items

[fathom bramble]

yeah

hitting the delves first was absolutely the right call too

side quests and rares are free now with all this gear

[balmy topaz]

Yea

I’m gonna look soon to see

If it’s still up

If it is

I’m just going to spam it

[balmy topaz]

I will say

There are some good weps from rares

Stats wise

The 2 I have are both haste crit

[fathom bramble]

I have haste/mast and crit/vers

not exactly ideal

but I do have a dagger at least

[silver ginkgo]

what did you farm for all that gear

the delve?

[balmy topaz]

Getting the ideal haste

Is gonna be tough with all blue gear atm

[balmy topaz]

That story

[lunar harbor]

u can stealth past all eh?

[balmy topaz]

Otherwise I think it’s gg

[balmy topaz]

Ye apart from mini bosses and end boss

[lunar harbor]

yea its super fast

[balmy topaz]

If you’re eu tho

[lunar harbor]

ofc

[balmy topaz]

Idk if it’s up

[silver ginkgo]

does the delve lvl matter or nah

[balmy topaz]

If anyone is eu let me know

[balmy topaz]

Ideally 7

[cinder relic]

I did like

10 of these

after like 7 or so It stopped giving kloot

Like I did 4 without anything dropping

[fathom bramble]

bad luck maybe

[cinder relic]

Yer

Got some decent gear but back to the paladin

[fathom bramble]

doing it for as long as I did is almost certainly a waste of time if you have anything else to be doing

[cinder relic]

Like I said I did 10 or so

I got a dagger and a fist so

[silver ginkgo]

is ilvl tooltip supposed to change for what the delve says it drops? mine is same ilvl at every difficulty

[fathom bramble]

it lies

you get 220 at like +4 or something

and 224/227 at +7

[silver ginkgo]

alright ty

[tiny onyx]

this prey content or whatever is pretty interesting

[balmy topaz]

Do we actually get mix from it

[vivid vessel]

guys

how do we feel about tettles calling us a npc class

just here for vibes

cause we have 0 utility

im feeling pretty mad

chicken guy calling me a npc

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel hi npc

Im zeross

[vivid vessel]

hi ross

you max level yet ?

[proven ocean]

Didnt install wow

[vivid vessel]

im almost max myself

grinding rn

[proven ocean]

Nice

[vivid vessel]

ty

[proven ocean]

Almost 90 buddy u got this

[vivid vessel]

thanks bro

[proven ocean]

Ur ilvl is low tho

I think in 520 on ny rogue

[vivid vessel]

they removed my ilvl idk why

[proven ocean]

Maybe tnatz why they call us npc…

[balmy topaz]

Don’t trust anything he says

Think you need to get the lumberjack fit back on for leveling

[vivid vessel]

Hm

Do I ?

[summer loom]

Pretty tough for a chicken getting out dps’d by a bear

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[vivid vessel]

We have been outdpsed by tanks all expac tbf

[tiny onyx]

Hell yeah 220 weapon from that prey thing

[summer loom]

Huuge

Gz

I love reading outlaw chat, I love you all

[proven ocean]

Then we get the why are u all mad

When that happens

[lucid sparrow]

just got 9 bte resets in a row

crackshot lives within me

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-the-honored-one-jujutsu-kaisen-jujutsu-kaisen-season-2-gojo-gif-5550030305894790251

[jolly geyser]

Crack smoker

[timid portal]

@balmy topaz try the one in the silvermoon city, u have to reveal some group of mobs and kill them

and then u have boss

[balmy topaz]

hmm

is this eu now?

[tiny onyx]

just hit 200 ilvl

[timid portal]

yes

[snow hill]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[true dust]

hi, new rogue player here. If i want to switch between specs, do i just have to change the main hand to dagger/sword?

[vivid vessel]

Sub and assa need 2 daggers

Outlaw need a sword/mace etc main hand

And ideally a dagger off hand

But can use something else off hand for minimal loss

[true dust]

Alright, thanks 🙂

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/michael-scott-wink-yes-आँख-मारना-gif-5795910

[ionic citrus]

? Are u high on narcotics?

[frank finch]

that bf uptime is not it bob

[sharp wharf]

does anyone know how to fix BetterCooldownManager combo points? mine look like this (with a small empty part) when it's 3+, i've tried to swap profiles but it didn't rly change

[vivid vessel]

Time to switch to the wangbar

[untold wadi]

!wangbar

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-meme-looking-out-the-window-sad-missing-out-sad-squidward-gif-5401562831942688207

[dim widget]

if only there was a high score bte reset wa

[grave rose]

Sub CAN offhand a sword if needed.

[vivid vessel]

Actually

This should still work

[vivid vessel]

No they can't

It's litteraly 50 illv worse or smth

Outlaw can also play without offhand

[dim widget]

time to host a leaderboard on this disc

[grave rose]

If you didn't have a 2nd dagger.

[vivid vessel]

Ye but

You legit buy one from the ah

From last expac

[dim widget]

dont listen

[vivid vessel]

And it'd probably better than what you have

[dim widget]

this is zacs money making scheme

he is trying to scam you with lvl 70 daggers

[vivid vessel]

[grave rose]

what if he has no gold?

lol

[dim widget]

make lvl 1 rogue

send dagger over

😏

[vivid vessel]

Real

[normal forge]

Does anyone have the patch notes that will come in March 17th ?

Or a link to it

[vivid vessel]

Well it's not done yet no?

Isn't that the whole point

They are waiting for data or smth

For a tuning pass

[normal forge]

I saw someone with the patch notes on Instagram

Like reading

[mighty pivot]

I have all the patch notes for the entirety of S1 already

sub to my patreon for access

thoughts on my outlaw weapon? I have two str 1h from rares but 0 agi ones thx ion

[bold sphinx]

Is outlaw weak when we level up? It feels like every mob can kill me after lvl 87 xD

[cedar kernel]

:hi:

[wintry solar]

[timid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meme-wave-emoji-cat-wave-cat-wave-gif-17826137474354671565

[keen belfry]

Wym lil bro

[keen belfry]

Where’d u get all this warbound gear

[rotund zodiac]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[surreal ice]

only some rogues are pirates rest of them are van cleef thugs

but hello

[keen dew]

Hi, should i play assa if i want to be relevant in raid ? or i can keep playing outlaw cause i enjoy playing outlaw ? its a big difference ? thanks !

[hasty warren]

what's the différence ?

[hasty warren]

are you playing for a MM progress ? Either way u can play what u want it doesn't matter.

[ionic citrus]

Bflurry is a extremely powerful button now mate. You will be pressing it every 3 or 4 finishers to guarantee completely filled cps on AOE.

[near lichen]

Do we still go dagger offhand?

[mighty pivot]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[buoyant stratus]

I mean its weaker than the entirety of tww but yeah its ight

[past falcon]

hi charr

[near lichen]

Should have second apex talent proc flourish 😭

Idk why im so energt starved at times
Legit miss the old rtb buffs

[keen belfry]

U don’t get it cuh it’s okay

"powerful button now" as if it got better this xpac

[keen belfry]

u need 25% haste to function

[mighty pivot]

ye fun fact: outlaw with 15% haste feels like shit!

[keen belfry]

i haev 14% and my teas last about 3 minutes

after that, well the tea is giving no energy slay

and thats the tea sis

[mighty pivot]

I have haste in all but 3 pieces and I am at 14.84% (all my jewels have haste too)

[buoyant stratus]

Hi

[keen belfry]

default cdm is all u jneed now

@fathom bramble what did u say u did to gear up was it delves

[past falcon]

if this delve is on ritual interrupted for u its really fast as rogue

so u can spam it for 224-227 gear

[keen belfry]

i have the toad one

should i end it all/

[past falcon]

they change daily

[keen belfry]

unlike me

[covert kestrel]

me daydreaming about the idealized version of me yet faced with the unrelenting truth that who i am tomorrow will not be different than who i am today

[oblique fable]

Do any of yall pvp as outlaw, idk if im doing something wrong but feels like I just tickle enemies to death, leveling in WM and lose 50% of my hp just trying to build up points while being murdered

[keen belfry]

i was saying i wear the same underwear everyday

but lets unpack that fronteir

[past falcon]

duality of rogue

[covert kestrel]

oh yeah me too frfr on god

[keen belfry]

the opener for my day does not include "change clothes"

doesnt sim highest for wow maxxing

[mighty pivot]

playing in pjs is a +7% dps buff anyway

[covert kestrel]

nude is the only way, gotta show enemies you have no fear

[mighty pivot]

how do you get in a video call with dimensius to show him proof though?

[past falcon]

who cares about dimensius when ur nude? denathrius is right there

[mighty pivot]

if only...

[eternal socket]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[silver venture]

yo do we use ambush in midnight or is it better to just ss

from stealth

[cinder relic]

Yeah unbind ambush

[keen belfry]

@proven ocean

[gleaming reef]

oh, no point ambushing from stealth? SS is better?

[vivid vessel]

unless ytou talent into ho

it hjas always been that way

ambush doesnt proc fth

doesnt give much more cp on average cause no proc

cost more

etc

ugly animation also

-aura

[gleaming reef]

does more dmg no?

[vivid vessel]

ye a bitr

not really rtelevant tho

[gleaming reef]

3498 for 50 energy and 2 cp vs 1538 dmg for 45 energy and 1 cp

i mean usualy u just ambush the first opener from stealth if anything

no other reason

[vivid vessel]

no but

[gleaming reef]

to have ambush

[vivid vessel]

ss can proc

which gives 2 cps

or more

and fth

[keen belfry]

there is more to it than just raw dmg

[vivid vessel]

so then at that point if ss proc it does more damage than ambush, gives more cp, gives fth

cost less energy

infinite gains no ?

[keen belfry]

W zac ur so well spoken man

[vivid vessel]

i know

ty

[keen belfry]

ambassadaord.

[gleaming reef]

so over time, the odds are better with the gains on SS then?

[vivid vessel]

wdym over time

[gleaming reef]

Is this only a midnight thing

like over 5 min

[vivid vessel]

ss can proc

ambush cannot

[keen belfry]

oover the time of 1 press its better yes

[vivid vessel]

unless you talent into ho

[gleaming reef]

ya but I mean it adds more variance

[vivid vessel]

eh what

no

its just better to press ss

[gleaming reef]

My only time I ambush is when I hit something to start combat

[vivid vessel]

yes but

ss is a better buttons cause procs

[gleaming reef]

ok

[vivid vessel]

on average a ss is better than ambush

there isnt more to it than that

[gleaming reef]

okie doke

I'll just remove ambush

[keen belfry]

yes

good teacfhing zac

[vivid vessel]

i mean if you mean that you ignore the cp gen and the fth proc

like the actual button press

idk

is that relevant tho

just dont press ambush gg

[cinder relic]

Yes but then U dont get opportunity procs

[gleaming reef]

This is new to me haha, when the heck did this change?

[cinder relic]

It's always been this way

Without the ambush talents, ambush is a bad button

[gleaming reef]

I only skipped like 1 or 2 tiers

[mighty pivot]

huuuuge difference between the ring rewards of this quest

[gleaming reef]

I still can't find a trinket to replace Ara-Kara Sacbrood that's ilvl 95, feels bad.

Cause of the haste

[vivid vessel]

its kinda been this way since forever, in sl we pressed ambush but it was very barely better and its cause it procced cto while ss didnt

and then in early df we played hidden opportunity

[past falcon]

my rogues haste is 7% rn i wanna kms

[vivid vessel]

so then ambush was good yes

[keen belfry]

@gleaming reef normally u dont wanna listen to @vivid vessel but he gave good advice here, maybe hes turning a new leaf

[vivid vessel]

wtf

[gleaming reef]

oh man i always had it on my stealth bar, i totally been doing this wrong but I guess it's not very much of a diff since it's only 1 button from stealth

[past falcon]

caught a stray

[keen belfry]

imagine the bag alert song

but super minnesota accent

beyg alert

major beyggggg alert

[past falcon]

my coworkers are from minnesota

[vivid vessel]

wang

stop yapping

im trying to watch lec here

you are making noise

[keen belfry]

where

[keen belfry]

u are trying to watch not listen

[past falcon]

i forget where they grew up but downtown minneapolis now

[keen belfry]

lets go they are near me

[past falcon]

maybe deluth

[keen belfry]

ill find em

[past falcon]

duluth ?

[keen belfry]

i grow up in duluth!

grew

[past falcon]

we're always growing ❤️

[keen belfry]

i started growing up in duluth 3

❤️

[rocky kiln]

!fuu\

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gleaming reef]

I got a question for the builder rules Pistol Shot (with Opportunity) if at 6 stacks.

Do I only do this if I got 0 CP?

or it's fine to use even at 5 cp

like I can do it anything as long as I'm not at 6-7cp?

[tribal cosmos]

whats the fastest leveling

is it delves or dungeons

[dim widget]

https://klipy.com/gifs/credit-card-swipe

its wow after all

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

But being at 5cp with 6 stacks is rather rare

you pretty much need blade flurry to land you there

[gleaming reef]

So it's ok to overcap

if I'm at 6 stacks

[gaunt phoenix]

overcap cps yes

[gleaming reef]

if I'm not going to press finisher

roger that

[cinder relic]

Neither, questing

There was a really good delve for leveling yesterday but the story rotated

[hasty warren]

I heard that professions can help to xp in the last lvls

[cinder relic]

Yep

The "meta" is u do all the delve quests, get them all ready to turn in

Get like, level 88, 20%ish

turn in all the delve quests, do professions

[scarlet drum]

So we're crit/haste now?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[cinder relic]

This tier, almost all of our stat budget will go towards those two yeah

[high sierra]

Just wanted to say hello, new here, first time rogue player too!

[cinder relic]

Hello

[gaunt phoenix]

greetings

https://tenor.com/view/cat-write-scribble-sketch-draw-gif-17181052902092737226

[high sierra]

Wait you're the wow head guy right? 😮

[hasty warren]

he is

[gaunt phoenix]

the freakazoid wowhead guide writer foreverguy

[high sierra]

That's so cool haha literally just been going through it

[hasty warren]

don't forget to read the #outlaw-faq too

[cinder relic]

That is in fact me

[high sierra]

Thanks so much

[high sierra]

Was Just surprised youre here haha your work is great and helped a lot so thank you

[hasty warren]

as yell you can checks this channel pins for newest changes

[high sierra]

Yeah i was just checking pins, im gunna go through faq now too

For anyone in early access, how is it? Enjoying outlaw?

[hasty warren]

2 more days to wait for me

[keen belfry]

also xavious every rogue uses Wangbar

every rogue that matters anyways

[high sierra]

Im with you!

[high sierra]

I'd like to matter

[hasty warren]

that propaganda

[gaunt phoenix]

The faq will get remodeled a bit for the season

everything is there but missing gear

would like to add a UI section too

what to track and imports

[hasty warren]

good idea

[high sierra]

I saw forever guy has an import on their guide, was gunna try that out as a start point

[hasty warren]

haven't try luxthos one

[high sierra]

I also just checked that wangbar, looks so clean i want it 😍

[keen belfry]

u want me?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-dancing-cat-chinese-dancing-cat-funny-cat-meme-cat-gif-18059553370350307210

[gaunt phoenix]

your wang

[hasty warren]

me too I want u wang

[keen belfry]

thoughtrs?

[gaunt phoenix]

no thoughts

[high sierra]

I think you need to go to talents > change spec 👀

[hasty warren]

dwarf or human ?

[keen belfry]

in open world... nnever...

[gleaming reef]

Anyone know any addon that adds a cross on my char and Circle on my cursor? Used to have weakauras for that.

[hasty warren]

ultimate cursor

[high sierra]

Is sub the go to for levelling or something?

[gleaming reef]

Thanks

[hasty warren]

and for cross I us another addon

can't remember name

letme check for you

[gleaming reef]

okie

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are trying to speed level

[hasty warren]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/wildutools

[high sierra]

Oh maybe not then, so long til season starts

[hasty warren]

this one

[gleaming reef]

nice

Thanks so much!

[keen belfry]

its "better" in open world content for reasons, outlaw is fine

[cinder relic]

4 grapples > more damage

Imho tbqh

[high sierra]

Sub was a close 2nd for me so maybe I'll try a mix of both while levelling

[hasty warren]

is grappel bug still there ?

[cinder relic]

Of course!

Thats why we have 4 charges

[hasty warren]

[keen belfry]

shadowstrike from stealth dash had more use for me than grapple

[hasty warren]

nice feature

[keen belfry]

and if i recall, whjen grapple bugs u dont get the reset

[hasty warren]

I remember back in SL when the bug occurred and it got fix and next patch it back back

[mighty pivot]

ye sstrike blink felt way more useful than 4 grapples

[ancient cobalt]

from delve lvl 7 atalaman

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[mighty pivot]

!update

[gaunt phoenix]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Clickable Raid Buffs - for poisons
• WilduTools - random QoL like melee range indicator, track cursor
• Mute Cold Blood sound - if we ever go back to this talent

[high sierra]

Ooh things

[hasty warren]

someone know the hexcode of the yellow in addon settings ?

[hasty warren]

oh u added this addon lol

[gaunt phoenix]

i like it

[vivid vessel]

solo

i have a banger new addon

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[vivid vessel]

https://github.com/m33shoq/M33kAuras/releases its called weak auras

thoughts

[hasty warren]

me too it add cool wa feature we had in tww

[gaunt phoenix]

wa

[hasty warren]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/raidcohesiontool this one ?

[vivid vessel]

no !

french ass addon bro

[hasty warren]

real

idk if I have to be proud or ashamed

[vivid vessel]

you shgould be ashamed ye

[hasty warren]

[vivid vessel]

im able to have mostly all the same weak auras i had on live

just auras cant work

but that is how it is

addons cant do auras rn

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[vivid vessel]

some things need modifications of course

but ye ]

im just gonna use that