outlaw

[hardy vault]

i kinda feel useless

[snow viper]

Your cs is also abysmal which has a lot to do with that. Just my 2 cents on the things.

[hardy vault]

i don't see a reason to farm once i'm fullbuild-ish

or get farmed by enemies when i leave base

but yeah makes sense

[hardy vault]

my big problem with advice like this is that there's nothing like to make me do it better behind that

i try my best to rotate my camps and kill them on cd

but one gank that takes a little longer and that timing is off

then again my mates also told me it's a team game but also not because it's soloq (which annoyed me a lot), and told me i should just play very egoistical

still not happy about that kind of advice, but they gotta know if they're that much higher in rank

[quaint mauve]

this is probably your biggest problem

in all honesty

bc in that elo you can just win by snowballing in lane

[hardy vault]

i'm jgl

[quaint mauve]

oh

i’d actually love to coach you

if you’re down

[hardy vault]

putting me on lane is like an insta -1 player

[quaint mauve]

i play ad assassin jgs

[hardy vault]

i found blue kayn very enjoyable recently

and assassin playstyle in general

i'm queuing a game rn if you wanna peek over my shoulder in voice

[quaint mauve]

i play rengar talon

i am at gym rn but if you’re free this weekend

i got you

[hardy vault]

idk why but i might be busy this weekend

[quaint mauve]

we should move this to dms if interested, don’t wanna crowd outlaw chat

:p

[lethal oak]

Betwix your eyes

[frail veldt]

just automatically triggers

on CD

ngl if you macrod adr to every button right now

I bet youd lose <1% dps

turning it into a full on passive

[copper radish]

I wonder how close we are to macroing our whole rotation to one button 🤔

[frail veldt]

If we still had weak auras you could make some REALLY easy rotation helpers

95% of our spec rules is like 5-10 lines of conditions

[snow viper]

Isnt the built in helper already at like 98% accuracy or something stupid?

[calm island]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[frail veldt]

It's intentionally dumbed down I think

[tepid geode]

where do u guys put slice n dice in the rotation?

[untold wadi]

step -1

ucan like

walk up with slice

but u get it on dispatch

[craggy barn]

if u dont have slice ur first finisher in opener is dispatch

[gaunt phoenix]

there's a slight edit to that. on single target, you can dispatch

in aoe, it is seemingly better to AR SND prepull

but that doesn't really happen unless you die

cause you get snd at the start of the key anyway

[tepid geode]

is this a bug? i can't enter profile name after importing cdm string

[gaunt phoenix]

it does seem like a bug with importing

[craggy barn]

solo are u gonna 100% outlaw in midnight keys

[gaunt phoenix]

of course

[craggy barn]

nice

true outlaw rep

[tepid geode]

guys, im slowly liking outlaw, it needs to be more piratety

[untold wadi]

[wintry solar]

No argument here

[gaunt phoenix]

[wintry solar]

[craggy barn]

[tough trellis]

okay im super undergeared but is main gauche and melee supposed to be doing that much dmg 💀

where are any of my buttons 😭

[craggy barn]

yes they made auto based damage more significant

[tough trellis]

i see

[daring yoke]

i would like to thank wankbar for the service. now ArcUI has their own built in resources, i no longer need wankbar🫡

[eternal hound]

So guys, tuning wise, how's outlaw looking? Middle of the road overall?

[tepid geode]

we can call a canonball bombard now

[fair charm]

The random tumbleweed when you fire your pistola isn’t enough? 😝

[cinder relic]

Idk where every spec is at so no clue

[analog radish]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[tepid geode]

gotta need more man, that shit hype me up

[chilly dagger]

when do keys get turned off next week?

[frank finch]

you think outlaw might be under tuned a little or nah?

[cinder relic]

I havent seen it since it was overtuned for that week

So I have no idea

So many specs have gotten gutted at the same time

[hasty warren]

Hi pitates

[craggy barn]

the answer is every dps should swap to guardian druid

[jolly geyser]

ello pilates

[unkempt dew]

We need more guns

Then go brrrrr

[faint pendant]

we need crackshot back

[rugged galleon]

guardian is basically DPS spec LOL

[unkempt dew]

We need to shoot the bear

[random stirrup]

@keen belfry is there a way for supercharged points to have a border or something to show they're supercharged when u dont have cp

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

fk u zac

i had to make my own ui today

ive been betrayed

[desert tendon]

[random stirrup]

i will remember this.

[desert tendon]

Zac ui always been suboptimal ugly and bad

I say it

[wintry solar]

It do be true

I've always felt kinda sorry

[mighty pivot]

it do be true

[random stirrup]

Lot of bad takes in here recently

Weird

Objectively false takes

[mighty pivot]

creating your own ui is like having your own cat. it's always the best one

[vivid vessel]

Guys

I will update my ui

When midnight starts

[random stirrup]

What about my levelling experience zac

[regal saffron]

When farting?

[random stirrup]

With my pay to win early access

[wintry solar]

I like that analogy

[random stirrup]

I edited it anyway zac just does the hard work of setting up all the anchors and such

Nice textures

[mighty pivot]

@gaunt phoenix cat

[torpid fiber]

But just like owning a cat, it requires constant maintenance

[mighty pivot]

nice plant

[zinc briar]

Sometimes lets me sleep more than 7 hours

[mighty pivot]

that's plenty

[gaunt phoenix]

Cat

[zinc briar]

We need vanish in the rotation without crackshot windows?

[mighty pivot]

no

vanish is a root break now

[zinc briar]

Pfff starting to feel boring this outlaw

[formal knot]

not having vanish in rotation is way better

[zinc briar]

Its really slow now

[hardy vault]

compared to tww every spec is @zinc briar

only spec that got more interesting possibly is boomie

[zinc briar]

unholy dk is funny, more than outlaw now

Its the 1st time that i would think about rerolling since outlaw exists

Being bad dps in raid is ok but boring like this...

[vivid vessel]

Is it now

No one told me

[random stirrup]

In a few days for na

But it got too close to wait

I get nervous

[hardy vault]

anyone know when midnight guides will come out?

[vivid vessel]

Whatdehelly

[fallen zodiac]

is there any way we can add a Blade fury tracking bar without Arc ui?

[agile quiver]

you can add it to base ui, if that's what you mean

[fallen zodiac]

yeah i know..but i want to track it independently . becuse i also have a RTB bar

[desert tendon]

zac can you uptdate your ui for tbc classic please?

tyvm

i need to track my auto attacks rotation

[vivid vessel]

Classic

[fallen zodiac]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[fallen zodiac]

may i see your retail ui?

[covert kestrel]

He hasn't made it yet

[vivid vessel]

I don't have one cuh

Soon guys soon

Or not !

[opal raven]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/e/2PACX-1vTGkZ2Cjr0jlv90XqW9vy9VXsVucd-yMCgHdyCvX_kQfOrexNDAC7Lf3LifuhqxrcWqJ0W3zIhvK3ii/pub

[zinc briar]

@vivid vessel what do you think about this new boring outlaw? Stopping fingers coz no energy...

Will they fix It? Im sad 🙁

And this rotation, so simple... Like a warrior, 4 buttons

[pearl topaz]

they wont be changing that aspect anytime soon I imagine, Id just switch if you are hating it

[zinc briar]

At least tell me they will fix the energy recovery

[covert kestrel]

How much haste do you have

[opal raven]

In the pins :Once you hit ~25% haste or so, Fatebound is expected to be energy saturated on average...

[hardy vault]

haha no i meant class guides on wowhead lol

[potent ore]

You are allowed to see "mine"

Many generic

@gaunt phoenix

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel u can balls my sack

[quaint mauve]

look at my burrito bro

[fallen zodiac]

show me your BF bar

[potent ore]

It's sensitive

[fallen zodiac]

what does that mean?

[potent ore]

I don't use bars, I use icons above combo points

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160075723466362922/1471865725260922923/4xtuh.avif

[potent ore]

@gaunt phoenix also tis lil lady

[gaunt phoenix]

[potent ore]

It's a vulpera

[jolly geyser]

gatos

[graceful rover]

So we level and hope blizzard fixes rogues when they had an entire alpha and beta to help them but only nerfed them?

And to expect the tuning to be any different than it’s been?

[fallen zodiac]

would anyone be interested in this?

[graceful rover]

Nuke a tank that’s somehow hasn’t been meta in a while to arrive to vdh+rdruid+aug+ 2 magic dps meta

[grim spear]

So are there any smart misdirection tools still usable?

[leaden sonnet]

Dont think so, afaik its back to the stone ages with [@focus] or [@party1]

[formal thunder]

I'm using click casting for my tricks, works like a charm with shift+lmb

also, I think it's even a little bit smart, if you try doing it on a non-tank, you have to click again to confirm

[zinc briar]

U are killing me bro 🙁

[balmy topaz]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[balmy topaz]

What do the ST sims look like

[gaunt phoenix]

full geared outlaw seems to approach 100k

[vivid vessel]

Trash and boring I sleep

[vivid vessel]

You are wrong !

[proven ocean]

No u

[covert kestrel]

Is that an addon just for tracking bf

[balmy topaz]

How bad is our ST zac

[unborn canyon]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/tankmd

[fallen zodiac]

yeah.. just trying to make one

[vivid vessel]

No clue

[jolly geyser]

seems flat

[shy meteor]

is M0 at exp start daily or weekly lokout?

lockout*

[balmy topaz]

I presume you're playing rogue in midnight

[gaunt phoenix]

zac is playing league

[balmy topaz]

zac wtf

[covert kestrel]

I mean just use arcui at that point, has the same functionality as that

[fallen zodiac]

i just prefer to have a 2kb addon that does one thing, than load a full giga heavy one , JUST so i can have my bar .

besides.. arc ui fully resets my Ui and i hate that.. i dont wanna fiddle around with it

[keen belfry]

Hmm me thinks so

[zinc briar]

Should we all start different posts in blizzard forums talking about how shit is outlaw right now?

[gaunt phoenix]

by all means, if you want to be heard, they are perhaps more likely to read forums instead of scrolling through discord

[covert kestrel]

I just disable everything else besides the bar customization in arc

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel hi

Want a house

Or

Type 1 if u want a house

[gaunt phoenix]

1

[mystic berry]

assa mains are winning the complaint war over there

[balmy topaz]

1

[random stirrup]

W, want to be visually reminded that i prepped my supercharger because i am el stupido

[vagrant jacinth]

just shut the discord down in protest, it worked for the ret paladins

[hardy vault]

No no just @ realz he’ll surely like that

[ionic citrus]

Guys, I’m an absolute rookie when it comes to Lua and addons, but I put together my own little workarounds when I need to. I created an addon that:

Creates a macro in your Rogue or Hunter macro list

Lets you edit that macro however you want

After a Mythic+ starts, it replicates your macro and adds the following line:

/castsequence [@tank,exists,nodead] reset=nocombat Tricks of the Trade (or Misdirection), null

In other words, it updates the tank’s name every time a Mythic+ begins, while keeping your original macro logic so it casts MD once per combat at the start of each pull on your active tank.

It’s been working really well for me.

If anyone wants it, just ask and I’ll send the zip.

It’s rustic, but it works.

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/rannz-tricks-helper

[celest cobalt]

Lol

[ionic citrus]

but lets u edit ur macro. Rogues knows what i'm talking about

you dont want an extra button for md. U want it to work without u knowing it but not wasting it by sending it @ the end of a pull.

[celest cobalt]

Edited: Sorry im dumb scrolled up

[ionic citrus]

if u go like:

#showtooltip
/cast [nostance,nocombat]stealth;[stance]ambush;sinister strike (or whatever)

It keeps it while adding the important tricks line above 😛

[potent ore]

What is the current top ST build on beta?

[covert kestrel]

Guardian DPS

[potent ore]

haha i meant for outlaw

[desert tendon]

anything that s not rogue DPS 💪

[potent ore]

there are no other classes than rogue

jot that down

[covert kestrel]

Could I interest you in a visit to our lord and savior #1464390389044609166 message

[ionic citrus]

don't listen to ramfam... hes gonna curse outlaw and then go doing only 100% parses.

[desert tendon]

Ramfam

[ionic citrus]

follow him and forever like you would follow jesus and you might take some bread crumbs

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/eminence-in-shadow-yellow-role-john-smith-gif-4938129654061943439

[near rock]

please do not refer to anyone other than ramfam as ramfam

@abstract basin we miss you dad

[ashen void]

[abstract basin]

[jolly geyser]

[abstract basin]

[desert tendon]

RAM

the one the true the goat, i mean, the ram

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/they-had-us-in-the-first-half-not-gonna-lie-gif-13620240

[keen belfry]

me still wonders why no tuning until the 17th

they legit wont get anymore data, rightg?

maybe WCL has leveling dps graphs they will post

[jolly geyser]

a doubter

Ram is Ramfam

[hardy vault]

word on the street (larias guide) is m0 dungeons will come out with launch on march 3

[keen belfry]

me doubt they use m0 data for tuning

[copper radish]

Couple more days

And we are MIDNIGHT OUTLAWS

[abstract basin]

[fickle jewel]

We are Midnight C tier

[copper radish]

We are whatever we believe outlaw to be

F a tier list

[jolly geyser]

You playing or?

[fossil lintel]

We are midnight outlaws for one hour every day already

[abstract basin]

no but some friends starting

[jolly geyser]

Hope all is well

[abstract basin]

[copper radish]

Everyone always comes back to outlaw

[abstract basin]

gamba addiction too powerful

[cinder relic]

Hello ramfam

[gaunt phoenix]

ram

[copper radish]

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[ionic citrus]

midnight feelings

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe unholy and arcane on the table and the rest of the game in the corner

[ashen void]

you know they are happy because all of their mouths are open

"You've held a beer before right?"
"Oh yeah I do it all the time"

[ionic citrus]

thats the first time survival is invited to a drink

so its a little confusing for the poor boy

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-thats-ai-spongebob-toilet-thats-real-nice-meme-gif-13167262376400266709

[jolly geyser]

ai fart

[balmy topaz]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[keen belfry]

demo lock st sims

have u seen

[gaunt phoenix]

respectfully. I don't exactly have the greatest trust in the warlock module

[keen belfry]

solo hates kalamzaiai?>

[glass mortar]

ive heard highroll potential of demo is absurd on beta

they can hit 200k ST with good rng

which is like double what other st profiles r doing

[keen belfry]

my sim guy said that if u just spawn your pets and spam shadowbolt your sim goes down to 116k which is like 3rd highest sim

[gaunt phoenix]

I tend to side-eye warlock results a little bit

but it's not really rooted in anything but hearsay

[keen belfry]

https://klipy.com/gifs/h2di-dog-sus

[gaunt phoenix]

everyone should scrutinize results, except mine, they are flawless of course

[frail veldt]

Bro SOOOO true

[jolly geyser]

[frail veldt]

They hide shit like no other

[keen belfry]

solo was too tied to heavy shitter this tier

[gaunt phoenix]

I don't really mean it like that though

[keen belfry]

he thought wehad to take it

[jolly geyser]

there is usefull dmg and useless dmg also

[glass mortar]

i still remember the great priest warlock TCer holy war

(it was like 30 minutes of drama)

[somber saddle]

outlaw mainers in Midnight?

[lone crow]

lol no way thats real

[jolly geyser]

[keen belfry]

wed rather you play warlock this tier

inverse of the ion meme

[jolly geyser]

pick locks etc

[keen belfry]

but chat i still think they arent tuniung until the 17th because they have huge outlaw changes

they need all hands on deck (pirate joke)

for outlaw rework

[glass mortar]

to be fair its very important they always tune warlock to have at least 1 goat spec

theres no world u ever bring a warlock to a raid group if its not overtuned

[gaunt phoenix]

sim results across specs really shouldn't be stacked up and compared, each class has different maintainers and communities surrounding it, different criteria or complexities that may or may not be modeled

[hasty warren]

copium has no effect on me anymore

[cinder relic]

No I think I'm going to form a really strong opinion on these pre release simcraft posts

[gaunt phoenix]

There is perhaps a broad comparison but they should really stay between class or between the same spec

[covert kestrel]

Heroic week logs is the most important data point for spec balance

Inscrutable data

[cinder relic]

Unironically more than simcraft is

[glass mortar]

i feel like a 5m patchwerk profile with duration varying lightly is a pretty fair vacuum to compare most specs in but anyone who is drawing their conclusion on what to play next season based on sim profiles is probably beyond the help of any warning u can give solo

dslice i wouldnt even compare within a class on tbh

[keen belfry]

yes we know simulations arent perfect and rarely are ever true indicators of power, but wont be chastised for observing a massive discrepancy! rise up outlaw gamers!

[glass mortar]

my warlock friends have told me demo is quite broken on beta altho i havent gotten the full details of if thats broken (bugged) or broken (blizzard hasnt tuned yet)

[keen belfry]

also i think devdh lvl 80 sims the same as lvl 90 arms

[gaunt phoenix]

demo very well could be crazooka

[keen belfry]

arms is funny spec rn

[glass mortar]

arms must have been godmode on beta or something because that spec got nerfed 4 weeks in a row

[cinder relic]

Demo is very broken

[glass mortar]

and every week it was getting nerfs i was seeing arms complaining it did zero damage in their forum thread

[keen belfry]

the tuning has been interesting on beta

i think without a WCL graph the tuning devs are a bit lost on what info to use

[cinder relic]

I mean its harder to balance the game when u don't have the actual encounters of the Tier displayed

Many specs are only op because the encounter design

[keen belfry]

i simply cant grasp how a spec like arms even got a "nerf" though

[mint ether]

arms is so sad right now

[keen belfry]

like what could they have seen? genuinely trying to imagine something they saw

[glass mortar]

bro it got nerfed like 4 weeks in a row

was so funny to me

[gaunt phoenix]

ultimately we know nothing about their methodology

[mint ether]

it's bizarre that in an expansion that pruned so many specs and removed so many buttons, arms is still just a giant pile of unrelated buttons and janky design

[keen belfry]

arms lost its identity, call it legs warrior

right guys?

[jolly geyser]

puts all logs in AI,and point out outliers

[mint ether]

what is the identity of arms

[glass mortar]

fury gained a button st since they press rend now (it doesnt have any interactions with the spec)

[mint ether]

"DPS warrior but not fury"

[gaunt phoenix]

my limited interactions with blizz people has suggested they do have an aggregate logging system

and they have also perhaps looked at key success rate across specs

[glass mortar]

also they take a bunch of bladestorm talents but dont take bladestorm

[mint ether]

i'm pretty confident that's going to be fixed, but it is funny

[near rock]

extremely true

[mint ether]

(slayer does take bladestorm in AOE, just not ST)

[near rock]

sims are fake

[glass mortar]

sure u dont play slayer in aoe currently

but it would if u did

[mint ether]

IIRC it's similar to thane?

[gaunt phoenix]

except outlaw, we are 1 to 1 to the game

[glass mortar]

gap isnt big yea

[gaunt phoenix]

[jolly geyser]

I dont have bladestorm on m+ spec on warr

[keen belfry]

key success rates

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean I doubt that's the only thing

[keen belfry]

no no its thje only thing

[gaunt phoenix]

just interesting it is a possible metric

to observe

[mint ether]

there are some APL maintainers who will not add janky shit to the APL even if it makes number go up if it's too convoluted or complicated

[keen belfry]

rio does a weird thing with succcess rates where a unfinished key isnt a failed key

[mint ether]

because part of their goal is to have an APL that is understandable and usable by players

[near rock]

so based

[gaunt phoenix]

my favorite was shadowlands boomy

actions.st+=/starsurge,if=eclipse.in_any&(buff.oneths_clear_vision.up|buff.kindred_empowerment_energize.up|buff.ca_inc.up&(!covenant.kyrian|cooldown.empower_bond.remains>5|buff.ca_inc.remains<gcd.max*floor(astral_power%variable.ss_cost))&(!covenant.venthyr|buff.ravenous_frenzy.remains<gcd.max*ceil((astral_power+40*talent.fury_of_elune.enabled)%variable.ss_cost)+3*talent.new_moon.enabled&!runeforge.sinful_hysteria&buff.ravenous_frenzy.up|buff.ravenous_frenzy_sinful_hysteria.up|(buff.ravenous_frenzy.remains<action.starfire.execute_time&spell_haste<0.4|buff.ravenous_frenzy.remains<action.wrath.execute_time|buff.primordial_arcanic_pulsar.value>=210&(astral_power>variable.ss_cost*2-5|buff.ravenous_frenzy.remains>2)&buff.ravenous_frenzy.remains<6|variable.iqd_condition&cooldown.inscrutable_quantum_device.ready&equipped.inscrutable_quantum_device)&buff.ravenous_frenzy.up|!buff.ravenous_frenzy.up&!cooldown.ravenous_frenzy.ready)|variable.asp_dump|fight_remains<gcd.max*ceil(astral_power%variable.ss_cost))
cast starsurge if this is true

[jolly geyser]

[quiet ore]

My friend would go on a 15 minute rant explaining how all this basically boils down to a preset sequence of something like 10 casts with basically no RNG

[cinder relic]

https://media.giphy.com/media/FfM4ClWXUl2pENCGl4/giphy.gif

[gaunt phoenix]

[quiet ore]

I mean, in SL era you tried to layer two trinkets, moonbeam, convoke, and a bunch of astral power to dump an absolute ton of starsurges into a very short window, iirc

[patent mirage]

Someone mentioned moonkkin quick bring more sand

[glass mortar]

people are too mean to boomkins tbh

it was very difficult for them, s1 their optimal build was convoke

so their major cd burst was "your button plays itself"

then s2 they had to swap to venthyr whose major button said "you press this then need to ABC for the next 30 seconds"

dramatic step up in difficulty tbh

💅

[patent mirage]

Oh no

[quiet ore]

I have a vibes-based question: Why do melee range skills feel longer range on my earthen mistweaver, which seemingly can always stand at a safe distance, than my zandalari troll rogue, which seemingly needs to overlap the model of the target? Are small model races just tricking me into thinking I'm at a safer distance?

[near rock]

do you have any +strike range on your tree?

[copper radish]

Isn’t there some hit box thing that’s a diff size depending on race

[near rock]

or siones ambition anointed

[glass mortar]

dont believe anyone has increased melee range in their trees anymore

but MW doesnt, i do know what ur feeling tho

[copper radish]

I always thought Taruen had some range advantage built in just cause of how big they are

[upper hawk]

just harder to get through doors. only advantage

[glass mortar]

everything ive heard about hitboxes is info from people who got it from people

[hasty warren]

that can explain why my goblin is in the ass for mobs

[glass mortar]

so nothing reliable

[quiet ore]

I mean, the difference has gotta be in my head, right

[glass mortar]

yea id think in the modern game theyd have done everything they could to normalize racial hitboxes

[abstract basin]

hello

[abstract basin]

hi hi solo

[urban reef]

is that realy true? when i got 3 stacks of opportunity already → then SS → then i got 6 CPs → dispatch → im starting at 1 CP and have 6 stacks of Opportunity, which means → use PS → im on 5 CP and now i need to dispatch (or build to BtE) too..

[glass mortar]

that is true altho not really relevant for prepatch since u either arent playing fatebound, or arent playing the talent in fatebound that makes that rule

[urban reef]

well im trying it now and have fatebound

[glass mortar]

do u have the talent that makes it so SS procs give additional CP

[urban reef]

yes

Deal Fate

[glass mortar]

then what is the question about the rule. it is a real rule

[upper hawk]

can we get some fake rules in there. just to keep us on our toes

[urban reef]

well it is in discords outlaw faq

[formal thunder]

Always use RtB on CD if you have Jackpot

[glass mortar]

i still didnt see a question... im a little confused whats being asked

in the example u gave if u didnt SS u would PS and be at 5 CP and need to build to BtE or send dispatch regardless

doesnt seem like a better situation then the one the rule brought u to

[mint ether]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-rule-gif-21790697

(I don't understand the question either)

[fallen zodiac]

What's up with this massive energy starvation with outlaw?? am i doing something wrong here?

[urban reef]

well the question is, author says: Expected gain: ~1%
i think its 0% gain

[upper hawk]

wait, i have a real question.. isn't this missing an AR in there somewhere after the bubble drops?

[glass mortar]

sims show its a 1% gain, thats where the gain comes from

[hasty warren]

need 30% haste

[fallen zodiac]

damn

[glass mortar]

im not sure y ud feel it was 0% in ur own example it leads to less waste and lets u send a near max CP finisher followed by being at 5 CP

[fallen zodiac]

ok thanks

[glass mortar]

the only alternative i see in ur own example would be to end up on 5 CP with no PS procs at all

its just a rule to increase the efficiency of your builders a bit to get value from fatebounds additional gen

[mint ether]

it's hard to vibecraft better than the sims, computers are pretty good at math

you can obviously improve the APL, but smart people have spent a lot of time doing that at this point

[balmy topaz]

AR would be after the BTE

[covert kestrel]

Hey @gaunt phoenix they're calling you "smart". Response??

[upper hawk]

loaded dice carries through the key start and bubble?

i hadn't even noticed

[balmy topaz]

Not on beta

but a normal key yes

The scaling currently on beta removed LD

So like half way through the bubble

LD just goes

[mint ether]

as an idiot who hasn't played rogue in a long time....I thought SnD just activated passively off your finishers now

how do you press it in the bubble with no target

[balmy topaz]

You don't need a target

You jsut press the button in the spell book

[glass mortar]

or on ur bars if ur not a coward

[formal knot]

on bars but not on a keybind

[balmy topaz]

My bars are so empty

[upper hawk]

that's still confusing to me. if it doesn't last through the bubble how do you press rtb and keep it rolling without pressing AR First?

[balmy topaz]

It will work on live

just not on beta

Because live doesn't have scaling

[glass mortar]

this is a guide to pre key on live

[mint ether]

I didn't realize it was still in the spell book

I think I will /cast Slice and Dice

typing spells is powerful

[formal knot]

[gaunt phoenix]

The point is that SS got to 6 CPs and you didnt lose anything

you will have to build at 5 CPs a lot, but you can try to avoid it

That 6 CPs finisher could have refunded you to 2 CPs from the Ruthlessness talent

and then your next PS would get you to 6 CPs

so, you dodged 5 CPs for that PS cast

it won't happen every time, but if you follow that rule, on average you will be at 5 CPs less often, that's where the sim gain is coming from

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, it is

[glass mortar]

i assumed the pic was assuming u were at full CP from the BF > BR so you would cast BtE

but it also says build to BtE so

[gaunt phoenix]

You made the fatal error of assuming I don't make mistakes

[glass mortar]

u would never

[covert kestrel]

My goat??!? In this economy?!?!

[gaunt phoenix]

it's really 2 different scenarios where you end up dodging 5 CPs

If you SS at 1 CP, if it procs you end up at 6 CPs, then you finish, and then that finisher might refund you to 2 CPs instead of 1 CPs again, then you get to PS to 6 -> you dodged being at 5 CPs for that PS cast

If SS doesnt proc then you end up at 3 CPs, then you get to PS to 7 CPs -> you dodged being at 5 CPs for that PS cast

[urban reef]

@solo thank you boss. Just curious about situation where i have 6 stack of opportunity, 1 CP and have up BtE. Should i PS → BtE on 5 CP or PS → SS → BtE?

[gaunt phoenix]

You would ps > ss

[urban reef]

and if i start 2 CP → PS → BtE on 6 CP?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[urban reef]

ok thanks

[keen belfry]

Anyone here seen the ppl guided by AI in video games

So funny

The ai just yaps and flirts with the dude

[glass mortar]

no but i did the brawlers guild recently and let me tell u it was filled with 1 button macro users that reminded me of ai

i thought it must have been bugged because of prepatch scaling (my herioc ilvl WW monk was killing every fight in 2 FoF)

i think it was just tuned for the 1 button andies of the world tho, it was for sure a challenge for them

[copper radish]

Soon to be on your desk

[keen belfry]

Need

[lime lake]

prepatch giga nerfed it

Not that it was ever hard, but now on sub i kill challenge card bosses in legit 3 seconds

Their hp is definitely not scaled correctly

[glass mortar]

ah ok yea i was killing it in just under 1 full cd window on WW every fight basically

[dire plank]

u think guys outlaw must be played with phisical comp on midnight?

[glass mortar]

if its tuned to be strong

[keen belfry]

If it’s strong outside of phys comp odds are it’s op in phys comp, if it’s profile isn’t absolute dog shit

Phys comp buffs ar what, 16%?

[dire plank]

yeah, i mean my 2 teammates r not gonna play phisical comp so i dont know if i could be able to play alone playing outlaw haha

[keen belfry]

Unless these are 2 levels within r1 keys you can play outlaw

[frail veldt]

what does it even do

[copper radish]

Just two short days and we are on midnight

[keen belfry]

Mewo

[frail veldt]

can it tell me what food I want for lunch

[copper radish]

It creates a 3d hologram to be your companion

[keen belfry]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZP8xrLHdB/ watch this meet

Mewo

This ai is just yapping

[copper radish]

Based on your AI model u want 😂

[keen belfry]

I love it so much

[copper radish]

Definitely

[copper radish]

AI told him to set the village on fire

[frail veldt]

thats good tech

[keen belfry]

he also said "we're not murders"

[frail veldt]

I mean technically

[keen belfry]

"now sprint to the blacksmith. if inside, dont open the door, he'll be like "hey stranger wanna some sticks for emeralds" no, we dont negotiate with tiny terrorists"

liuke what is bro saying

[copper radish]

What anime should I make my AI companion modeled after

[frail veldt]

just regurgitating reddit speak lol

[copper radish]

Or do I do Joi from blade runner

[keen belfry]

he speaks so fast and just yaps

he also calls the guy babe

[frail veldt]

1000%

[keen belfry]

"make an iron pick. 3 iron, 2 stick. quick quick!"

"no pressure, im just a voice, im not your boyfriend, yet"

[copper radish]

https://youtube.com/shorts/I2YDgUngoC8?si=ZdI29rZLavut5Z4a

[glass mortar]

Guys can be babes wtf

[timid portal]

whats the name of the cat

[covert kestrel]

"We failed" lmao

[leaden sonnet]

They do mention that they have a solution for it in mind for the future

Put no time to put it in right now

[haughty wigeon]

basiucally ya

my friend explained it to me

they basically gave up

[lime lake]

more like they just ran out of time

they have a plan in the future and are gonna make all these secret again once its implemented, just dont have the time to do it before launch

so said fuck it

a good sign for midnights quality

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/brooklyn99-brooklyn-nine-nine-gina-linetti-consequences-consequences-for-my-actions-gif-8219152

[lime lake]

https://klipy.com/gifs/greys-anatomy-meredith-grey-7bl

[mossy compass]

For anyone who's played the beta, does the Reshi cloak turn off at some point?

[frail veldt]

theyre so weak

[tropic zephyr]

wow i've never seen blizz backtrack like that

usually they stick with their shit decision

then ion comes out like "yeah it was planned 4 years ago that ship has already sailed nothing we can do mb mb"

[frail veldt]

well their original "decision" was to deliver substitutes and then walk back addon access to progressively shift the landscape to one that is less dependent on addons

that would have been an awesome outcome

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, it's probably where it's going anyway

but we gotta have a clusterfuck phase

[frail veldt]

honestly how we get there is just as important as the destination imo

especially in this case

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, this was probably avoidable if they didn't rush it for midnight release

poor devs

[frail veldt]

it definitely feels like bad planning from upper management

frankly

[tropic zephyr]

y

[frail veldt]

overpromise underdeliver 🙂

throw it on the devs

[tropic zephyr]

blame it on activision 5head

[pearl topaz]

good they own up to mistakes fast and move on

[untold wadi]

when is the next expac expected to ship?

lol

[glass mortar]

the last titan?

[copper radish]

the end of the trilogy...... wonder what WOW will be like by then

[glass mortar]

cant get worse then it is now

[tropic zephyr]

!wangbar

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[untold wadi]

!wangbar

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/knowing-better-kb-know-better-gif-25459195

[hasty locust]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[hasty locust]

[thorny reef]

whats the best race for horde for midnight? tauren?

[keen belfry]

for dps yes

for vibes in midnight?

either belf or undead

[thorny reef]

ya if im playing for vibes its 100% undead for me

[keen belfry]

but ur gonna be in silvermoon

if dwarf wasnt so god damn op

id be belf for sure

[thorny reef]

hell ya ive just played undead for so long i wish their racials were better

[covert kestrel]

Goblin bis

1% haste

[strange kelp]

I just accept I will fail to hit my buttons correctly so the racial dmg diff is the least of my worries and at least look good while failing

[thorny reef]

i respect that

[frail veldt]

Oh did they remove dwarf crit damage?

Nvm I re read

For horde

[untold wadi]

long live atomic recalibrator

and other various toys

i will never look at my dwarf paladin

[strange kelp]

There was some double dip action I believe that did get changed for dwarf/tauren that made it worse

[frail veldt]

I'm still night elf but it was such a pain in the ass to deal with the racial swapping crit to haste

[strange kelp]

Oh maybe it was just for hunter pets double dipping it, ignore me, just hunter shenanigans

[wintry solar]

I don't really care what aura is and isn't hidden if I can seperate my buff durations

[copper radish]

You got the aura popo

[wintry solar]

Unless we can do that with an addon

[pearl topaz]

I wish I could turn off Cooldown Manager icons if the spell isnt on cooldown

[mint lily]

!sheet

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry solar]

I hate that my UI is just usable

And not actually to how I like it

I can make it look like my old UI but it doesn't function the same

[frail veldt]

How do you mean?

Separate durations

[covert kestrel]

Be the change you want to see in the world

[quaint mauve]

goblin can’t be bis because having to look at goblin model will lead you to doing less dmg

[covert kestrel]

tell that to every single one of my toons that are goblins

[fathom bramble]

goblin/gnome would be nice for the haste early, but it looks like tauren is still bis

[quaint mauve]

tauren

[covert kestrel]

goblin stealth animation is still bis

[fathom bramble]

we may have lost some critical strike chance, but not enough to actually push tauren/dwarf out of number one

other than mechagnome being good early as usual

[quaint mauve]

yeah im not playing any of those filthy races

[covert kestrel]

i wish they would just rotate the bis racial every season and just squeeze money out of p*shers

[quaint mauve]

human and nelf ftw

[fathom bramble]

goblin/gnome belf/worgen are much closer to tauren than they use to be though

like if you wanted to play one of those for looks you aren't losing much damage

[leaden sonnet]

Panda not good?
Buff food seems pretty strong this time around

[fathom bramble]

now if you wanted to go like undead or vulpera then it's doomed

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/vulpera-world-of-warcraft-warcraft-gif-26162364

[fathom bramble]

I didn't check panda because I couldn't find the food at the time that I checked so idk

if food is over 1% stat then it's good

[leaden sonnet]

Its tied with mechagnome as the highest simming for sub.

The good food is 50 agility

[fathom bramble]

okay that's definitely enough to be best for now

would fall off as we get to further tiers since it's agi ofc

[leaden sonnet]

Ye ofc

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt 1 ft concrete duck

worst quality ever bc i stole picture from my friend who built it

[lime lake]

i thought it was a hat

thats a nice duck though

[fathom bramble]

looking at the secondary stat food panda will likely maintain a really high spot anyway

when we eventually swap over it's still more stat than a 1% racial

[frail veldt]

Lolol how much does it weigh

[next veldt]

https://www.wowhead.com/guide/classes/hunter/marksmanship/talent-builds-pve-dps

how much did you guys bribe the wowhead author to link all of the "BIS" MM hunter builds to outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Wdym

oh

[cinder relic]

LOL

They templated my talents

Basically what happens is that both the "copy raid" button and the "link to build" are two separate links you need to change

Seems he forgor

[next veldt]

i wonder if there are any others like this

[cinder relic]

There are always mistakes yes

It's not just me

[tepid geode]

we still use trickster on prepatch?

[ashen void]

is whispyr a good boss

[untold wadi]

holy bbcode

ew

is wowhead made with bbcode?

i thought for sure you guys would use md

[tepid geode]

i feel dumb, does set mean stage for rtb?

nvm

[wintry solar]

Tes

Goober

[lone spear]

top esports do be goobers

[torpid fiber]

they lost to jdg basically 5-0 last night, it was so funny

[cinder relic]

The guides are yeah

[last thunder]

How hard is it to play Outlaw optimally in Midnight?

I’ve heard mixed opinions

[lone spear]

if you are new to the spec it probably still has a decent learning curve, identifying when to use which builder/spender and when to roll

but if you've played the tww iteration of the spec you'll find it much easier by comparison

[untold wadi]

outlaw

[wintry solar]

RAHHHHH

[tiny onyx]

I'm returning to WoW and usually play HO outlaw in S2 of war within.
Which build in the pin is more similar to HO or "easier" out of the two or what's the playstyle

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw doesn't have two distinct playstyles anymore

[cinder relic]

Ho and KIR aren't really build buckets anymore

U just have like "Outlaw"

and Outlaw rn plays kir, but without CTO, and all the container shit not existing anymore, its a fairly simple button to use

[tiny onyx]

I was mainly refering to the pinned builds, like whats the difference between these two vs just having one main outlaw build

[gaunt phoenix]

Nothing

One of them presses killing spree

Trickster is better tuned in prepatch specifically

Fatebound is better tuned on beta

So I have to supply them both

But it's the same outlaw. The hero trees don't do anything at all. They are completely passive

Just numbers

[tiny onyx]

I see so use trickster for now until fatebound goes live?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah, we will use fatebound at level 90

also, the faq describes the number difference a bit #1464390389044609166 message

[tiny onyx]

Also am I lagging mentally or is there no export button

[gaunt phoenix]

bottom left

load / export -> share

now it's copied to clipboard

I see wowhead has updated their talent calculator to assume level 90, so there are missing points... don't know if it will import correctly

[cinder relic]

IT should import fine

I have both builds available in the dropdown either way

[tiny onyx]

is this xpac out time to shine, i saw the patch notes where they buffed ass dmg and they nerfed sub

[frail veldt]

can never know what they end up buffing last minute

outlaw has similar limitations to before(capped aoe, lots of uptime required, weak cooldowns)

and they removed precise cuts so we dont have any low count cleave advantage

but they could just tune us to be op so who knows

oh and were a lot squishier than before too

[tiny onyx]

I think when i was playing they were sort of trying to improve the QoL of our dice rolls or at least make them a bit less RNG

[gaunt phoenix]

Dont worry about buff/nerfs

[tiny onyx]

i didnt play S3 where they changed killingspree to what it is now

was it overall a good change or how do you guys feel about it? You can move during it, right?

[frail veldt]

yeah new KS from a use case perspective is way better

teleporting around and randomly dying is not fun lol

I would just try outlaw out and see if you like it, cant predict whats gona be strong so best to just pick whats fun and hope for the best

[tiny onyx]

I've always mainly played outlaw never really tried ass or sub. Sub I tried probably just once for M+ dungeon with black powder and w.e since it seemed super easy

but i was seeing that ass has been getting buffed and performing strongly in War within

compared to dragonflight

[frail veldt]

all 3 specs have been changed a lot and blizz has announced I think 3 or 4 upcoming tuning passes after xpac release so

[strange kelp]

4 yeah

[tiny onyx]

3-4 tuning passes?

like re-adjustments during launch

or like throughout the tier

[frail veldt]

so I wouldnt even consider what seems "strong" right now

cuz its all very likely to change

[gaunt phoenix]

killing spree is an improvement over the old one because it doesnt kill you, but the damage is low and it hits random targets so you lose priority, and its still a long channel that feels lame to press during adrenaline rush

ultimately this killing spree is still not very well received here

[lime lake]

if you want to play the best dps atm start leveling a bear

[frail veldt]

looool

no way they dont nerf that shit

[strange kelp]

True

[strange kelp]

Well they arent until the 17th at least lol

[lime lake]

omega leveling spec

[tiny onyx]

I do like the midnight change with M+ where it lifts the burden for newer tanks with the highlighted mobs up to a certain M+ difficulty

[frail veldt]

tru

[tiny onyx]

are you guys all doing EA or waiting for official launch?

[frail veldt]

I bought EA but im out of town for it lol

[cinder relic]

I bought collectors edition

[placid ocean]

EA is a waste of money

[frail veldt]

depends how much money you have

[strange kelp]

All of wow is and we do it willingly

[placid ocean]

I'm doing it against my will

[strange kelp]

Unfortunate

[tiny onyx]

I remember War within EA and it was pretty good in the sense that questing zones were hella packed even in EA

i can't imagine how it was during actual launch

[strange kelp]

The best part of TWW EA was just the poor memes and the pvp on the beach

[tiny onyx]

I was thinking of EA just to get a headstart on professions for gold

[frail veldt]

yeah theres a lot of reasons to do it

[tiny onyx]

Do you guys think theyre going to continue doing turbo-boosts near the end mid-end of a tier?

[lime lake]

early access is insanely op if you do professions

[frail veldt]

I usually do it cuz I cant play much and I need to get ahead so I can even be caught up for when my friends are doing content lol

[tiny onyx]

or do you think those progression boosts are going to be gone in midnight

[lime lake]

also performance was actually really good in tww

before the poors came in

[frail veldt]

probably

[lime lake]

so it does just feel better

[frail veldt]

I think its a method of player retention

[lime lake]

they seem to really like turbo boost

so yeah i assume its doing numbers for their player count

[tiny onyx]

I personally didn't really like turbo boost or it was mainly ok. I seen some people abuse it and buy Mythic raid carries or M+ carries to buy the gear

but its w.e at this point

[frail veldt]

I think its annoying yeah

[cinder relic]

it helped so fucking much with D4 as well

[frail veldt]

just adds chores mid season

[cinder relic]

Like it sucks as a consumer, and its annoying AF

But like, it's so nice as like

Somebody who has too much money

[frail veldt]

I did regular launch for D4

and it felt great

[cinder relic]

Well, part of that was BECAUSE of the premium 3 days early shit

Cuz like, ppl played on those days and then didn't feel guilty about not playing "on launch" yk

[frail veldt]

yeah definitely

I think EA is good for stability on launch

[cinder relic]

sadly yeah

[tiny onyx]

I think for WoW though with midnight pruning addons - I think the game is running higher frames for me compared to before.
But it mostly has to do with addons and things that were eating up resources

like i think WA models and sometimes ELVUI

I'm liking the stock things they did themselves, but havent really messed around with it

[frail veldt]

yeah definitely

[cinder relic]

It 100% made performance worse

[frail veldt]

but frames and launch stability are unrelated

launch stability is server side

[cinder relic]

Stock is far from perfect but it 100% helps with overall FPS

[frail veldt]

oh really?

oh you mean addons did

[tiny onyx]

Well I know for war within the first two raids there was a lag issue right?

[cinder relic]

Ya

[frail veldt]

I was gona say my frames are also def WAY better now

[tiny onyx]

or mainly for the 1st one (nerub)

[frail veldt]

that could change as I continue to add more addons for the functionality I want

[cinder relic]

I mean, yes lol

I said it all the time that addons fuck ur FPS but I got called a coper

But it is just true lol

[tiny onyx]

Yeah definitely is true

[frail veldt]

idk who called you a coper for that lol

[cinder relic]

So many dogshit weakaura packages and addons just gobbled FPS

[frail veldt]

ofc they affect your fps

why wouldnt they

[cinder relic]

Any time I say anything positive about any blizzard product I'm a coper

Uve been here long enough to know that

[frail veldt]

I mean if anything thats a negative

blizz game is so bottlenecked and poorly optimized

[tiny onyx]

I also like the nameplate designs they did, pretty clean and minimalistic

[frail veldt]

that even a few addons cause fps drops

if you pitched it like that people would have agreed lol

all about the delivery haha

[cinder relic]

I wouldnt say its blizzards fault that people install shit addons and then the game lags

[strange kelp]

True, blizz positivity is just selling out around these parts

[frail veldt]

see there it is lol

[tiny onyx]

i remember seeing this one demon hunter youtube video where the guy has like 1000 addons and his game was running at like 2fps

[lime lake]

[frail veldt]

HAHA that video is amazing

[strange kelp]

Was that the max video?

[frail veldt]

whole screen freezes when he enters combat

[lime lake]

probably yeah

[frail veldt]

yeah max reviewed his addon

[lime lake]

that shit was so funny

[strange kelp]

That was a great vid

[frail veldt]

I was dying man

bad UIs fucking kill me

[cinder relic]

I can't believe blizzard is killing addons how am I suppose to tell whats happening without my addons

[frail veldt]

you think peoples UI still wont look like this

lol

silly goose

[cinder relic]

Oh it 200% will

[frail veldt]

if anything the number of bad UIs prob goes up

fucking xperl

[strange kelp]

I love the just massive buff list on the side

[wintry solar]

Random ass boss tooltip lol

[strange kelp]

He's also geting 75fps

good for him

[wintry solar]

[strange kelp]

wtf is this tho lol

[lime lake]

dont address it

[strange kelp]

Fair

[gaunt phoenix]

it's interesting how UI trends have shifted towards minimnalism over the years

minmijnmmamilsm

[cinder relic]

Just like every corperate logo

[nova sinew]

https://youtu.be/FoTYV22qZTg
it’s important

[strange kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/mark-cuban-shark-tank-notes-taking-notes-remember-gif-15073512

[frail veldt]

tru tru

very utilitarian

I kinda like the blizzard theme Ive always tried to keep some parts of my UI "stock" feeling

[wintry solar]

Yeah it sucks and I hate it

Everyone's UI reminds me of McDonalds

Grey and sad

[craggy barn]

now no funny sounds

🙁

[wintry solar]

:((

I'm gonna miss those silly sounds

Weren't we suppose to be able to have custom sounds?

[strange kelp]

You can add custom sounds in CDM

I think

[untold wadi]

thought they had to be tts

[lime lake]

Tts is a separate option from the sounds

Though i have no idea how custom sounds work if at all

[frail veldt]

theyre just alerts

[lime lake]

Haven't looked into that at all

[frail veldt]

I think they added them recently to live

they trigger when something activates I think

like a buff is present

or something comes off cd

[young prism]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tulip walrus]

https://github.com/NoSelph/ShadowedUnitFrames/releases

Do you know about this?

[frail veldt]

what about it

I think that might be in the !ui

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[frail veldt]

nvm msuf instead

is SUF better?

[craggy barn]

shrug

ive been using unhalted since the prepatch drop

[frail veldt]

Im still on default lol

I honestly dont really even look at my unit frames

only really raid frames and nameplates

I've thought about just hiding them all together

[craggy barn]

i dont like the look of default unit frames at all

and i dont want a major ui overhaul like elvui does

[lime lake]

unhalted is nice

but also all i really need a unit frame addon to do is turn it into a bar so like

any number are interchangeable

[craggy barn]

yea i just swapped to unhalted at prepatch cuz thats all that was out at that point, now im wondering if theres any benefits to msuf or suf over unhalted or whatever

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[hardy thicket]

Funny, I look at my own unit frame and target frame constantly

So yeah I also just prefer bars

[burnt grail]

There's no missing buffs addons that will work with RTBs is there?

[hardy thicket]

You can have the built in CDM to yell at you when RTB drops

[burnt grail]

When the CD is available

[hardy thicket]

When it drops too

[burnt grail]

but not when you are stupid and havent got it on

oh really? I cant seem to work that one out

[hardy thicket]

This assuming you rolled at least once

It wont yell at you if you never pressed it in the first place no

[burnt grail]

Oh. is this a new addition? i swear i have looked for this.

i just found it easy

[hardy thicket]

Dunno how new it is tbh. I setup my Outlaw UI recently because I havent touched it all TWW s3

[burnt grail]

thanks for that

[fallen zodiac]

it seems to be it's pretty hard to get 25% haste on beta or what?

[cobalt token]

Early expansion things

[frail veldt]

Yeup

Season 1 is going to be rough for a lil bit

[hasty warren]

is melee still one of our top dps ?

[wintry solar]

It's between melee and range so hopefully

[potent ore]

I think he means the melee dmg rogues does is top % on rogues overall dmg

[wintry solar]

He was, I was just being silly

:3

[livid junco]

its the "when available" option by alerts then?

ah nvm

looked on spells before

[hasty warren]

you're funny popo

[wintry solar]

Thank you

[timid portal]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[brave mantle]

is there any addon for roll the bones?

[gaunt phoenix]

Not specifically, it's just a buff to be tracked through the cooldown manager

[brave mantle]

ok ty

[ionic citrus]

any RestedXP or Zygor links, guys?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-a-name-ive-not-heard-in-many-years-gif-25204373

Leveling is so quick these days those apps are really not needed anymore

[ionic citrus]

is for a friend ... he has 5 alts.

[covert kestrel]

I have 28 at level 70 and 13 at 80 lol

[untold wadi]

honestly it's easier to just spam dungeons, especially if u have tank/healer

[gaunt phoenix]

at least L'ura has a ring that is double haste worth of stats

and 2 sockets

[ionic citrus]

?

[vestal notch]

Check harldan guides on google, quite fast leveling routes

[quaint mauve]

just buy a boost

[balmy topaz]

Any% speed run to 22% haste

[near rock]

I'm going the 0 haste build

[copper radish]

So are we excited for tomorrow

[fervent garden]

it doesn't feel like the day before new expansion.

very muted.

maybe its me. and the 2 feet of snow NYC got.

[copper radish]

Big new thing is housing and we already have it. Just feels like another patch tomorrow w new levels 😭

[near holly]

whats our haste dropping to

[covert kestrel]

ayy snow buddies

[fervent garden]

looking forward to the leveling tbh.

seeing how long the season is, im in no huge rush.

that being said, nerd in me will prob power lev and finish by saturday

[vivid vessel]

Wtf is tomorrow

[copper radish]

Midnight launch?

[faint pendant]

ye early access of midnight launch

<t:1772146800:R>

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/white-guy-blinking-drew-scanlon-what-whut-wat-gif-15689695

[normal forge]

Do we have trinket list for s1?

[tidal sequoia]

For delves and bench, probably any will do

Carrot on the stick for faster worldquesting

[gaunt phoenix]

sure, these 2 trinkets are decently ahead of anything else

[proven ocean]

U sure? ilvl seems too low..

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1160075723466362922/1471865725260922923/4xtuh.avif

[near rock]

how does darkmoon dominion with the matching sigil embellishment match up

[vivid vessel]

Wtf already?

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not sure they are implemented correctly

[near rock]

unlucky

[gaunt phoenix]

probably because the tooltip has no indication of what the stacking effect even does

[potent ore]

got sims on races yet? i know they barely matter but i still like to have a lookey

[copper radish]

Friday for the Frenchmen

[vivid vessel]

Wtf

[hasty warren]

it's the prerelease for rich ppl

[faint pendant]

p2w

[hasty warren]

otherwise it's the 3/4 of march

[vivid vessel]

I bought the big one

Not sure I will play

I have to do ui

Kinda depress me

[faint pendant]

the ui gameplay was kind of in prepatch

and it's still kind of hectic

still no shit that is supposed to be there

[copper radish]

Still haven’t done UI??

Just play without addons blizz made it so we can do that

[vivid vessel]

Haven't logged in

[vivid vessel]

[random stirrup]

i'll give you mine this time lil gup

consider it payback

[hasty warren]

blizz getting back again on the API restrictions, not predictible at all

[prisma heron]

Damn are we really casting snd manually again?

[gaunt phoenix]

sort of. you use it at the start of the key and probably never again

[prisma heron]

Ohh ok thats not so bad

Muh binds

Been messing with other classes and specs prepatch but just find the outlaw gameplay the most fluid

[desert tendon]

Zac starting to not log into wow

it's over

he s gone middle of this season

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

I mean

Most ppl quitting midnight

Because its real bad for the first time ever

[jolly geyser]

"most"

[proven ocean]

Most good gamers yes

U a good gamer?

Just what i thought

[faint pendant]

they quit over what

[desert tendon]

i think

[untold wadi]

outlaws death of course