Good thing you're talking to #outlaw aka medical experts
#outlaw
covert kestrel
hasty warren
sry i'm kinda drunk
covert kestrel
sry i'm kinda drunk
Will the elbow injury hurt your jorkin ability
past falcon
why did u fall
wintry solar
Get this man some car keys immediately
deft verge
yo is prepatch trickster or prepatch fate bound better? and do they play any differently?
glass mortar
past falcon
yo is prepatch trickster or prepatch fate bound better? and do they play any dif...
prepatch trickster, there’s a build in the FAQ. trickster plays killing spree, fatebound doesn’t
deft verge
do they both play keep it rolling? i hate that button
glass mortar
yes they play kir
keen belfry
@vivid vessel
glass mortar
probably every build will for a long time its like our strongest capstone
it kinda barely has a semblence to the kir u probably are thinking of from previous expacs tho
its just an RNG normalizer
and u kir at 2 buff or higher which is... all the time
so it just increases ur 2 buff uptime closer to 100%
occasionally extends a juicy 3 buff or jackpot
its very very minimal overhead
glass mortar
dev is such a meme but scalecommander is king again and mass disintegrate looks so funny @vivid vessel
godzilla lookin ass
i could do a season of dev
brain off and let my hands hibernate
if their tuning is decent they might be good in m+ too, scalecommander has pretty good damage profile
past falcon
don’t clip!
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
nantes
mighty pivot
ye you can't even do that right
deft verge
if bte procs u just send it again or u get full combo points first?
cinder relic
full CP
glass mortar
6+ but yea u build again
deft verge
br > bte > ks > coup is the prio right
real mauve
br?
past falcon
blade rush
wintry solar
ye you can't even do that right
Cry about it
mighty pivot
Cry about it
I won't. it's eep time. I did clean up my inventory, quest log, and bank though 
all ready
deft verge
o i thought we opened with br tho
wintry solar
I won't. it's eep time. I did clean up my inventory, quest log, and bank though ...
Ayyy ggs
I'm doing that thursday
mighty pivot
last minute chore 
real mauve
o i thought we opened with br tho
Scroll up to outlaw faqs, not sure how to link it but its got rotation there
glass mortar
o i thought we opened with br tho
general rule of thumb is dont cast BR if you will overcap energy during its gcd
in the opener this is the case like 95% of the time
this is only a prepatch rule tho so
mighty pivot
Working this week and I have to fix my moms lawn mower Wednesday
what a good son!
wintry solar
quaint mauve
didn’t throw E mid air
keen belfry
My b
jolly geyser
fartbreaker
bright crane
hell ya
timid portal
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:
Mute Cold Blood sound
EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
untold wadi
what site?
tropic zephyr
it's raider.io recap
they added a lot of cool new shit but everything is broken rofl
normal forge
lime mist
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
misty anvil
noob question but is playing night elf for shadowmeld worth it? like is it a nice quality of life thing to have or nah
formal thunder
sometimes there's a boss ability you can dodge with it depending on dungeon, but it often also just makes the boss choose a different target (or you again if you break the meld too quickly)
ebon nimbus
covert kestrel
gotcha! so no like benefits with using it to go abck into stealth for outlaw_
We don't care about stealth anymore
untold wadi
gotcha! so no like benefits with using it to go abck into stealth for outlaw_
used to be able to get a free restealth, but yea now it's prolly best to just dwarf
leaden sonnet
Mechagnome for massive simdps
(dwarf might be better for outlaw i have no idea, but most classes prefer mechagnome first tier)
untold wadi
dwarf always best in keys for debuff removal, but for pure dps yeh probably
flashbacks to rolling some ugly ass tauren on my mage in dfs1 for 0.5% dps
leaden sonnet
dwarf always best in keys for debuff removal, but for pure dps yeh probably
Healer skill issue, dont need to remove debuffs if you just get healed.
But yeah for sure
red zinc
jolly geyser
look what i just got
got this on my pala, own all 3 mount now.
mighty pivot
<@205708819458818049> my right foot is swollen
take it out of your mouth then
wintry solar
no >:(
mystic berry
buffs soon fellow criminals
jolly geyser
urban reef
guys in m+ should i go to stealth and start with ambush? or doesnt matter if i use ambush or sinister strike
turbid wren
guys in m+ should i go to stealth and start with ambush? or doesnt matter if i u...
I'm new to rogue, I recommend the faq section it's very informative and comprehensive. Shoutout to Solo
leaden hazel
so when did they nerf 5% dmg of UB?
cinder relic
a week or two ago
leaden hazel
is it live?
timid portal
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Mute Cold Blood sound
- EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
mighty pivot
is it live?
it is
shy meteor
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vivid vessel
gg only 72% im washed
craggy barn
washed
craggy barn
oof
craggy barn
L
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
wtfff
hearty lagoon
zac when the stream starts ?
vivid vessel
when does s1 starts
hearty lagoon
vivid vessel
its soon no ?
jolly geyser
1 week after actual launch innit
jolly geyser
oh, march 17,18
bright crane
got this on my pala, own all 3 mount now.
u go king
untold wadi
unkempt cypress
Only thing to do now is pray that the abomination which is Ion Hazzikostas gets removed and we get our API back
Mfr prb makes every place he goes worse
cinder relic
?
serene cosmos
look what i just got
Just got it rn
fathom bramble
vivid vessel
WTF
vivid vessel
bro ..
patent mirage
HA
upper surge
hardy vault
frfr
hasty warren
chad
mighty pivot
https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1ravhs1/what_are_the_classes_you_love_thematically_but/ rogue getting shat on like usual 
grim spear
patent mirage
oh no
craggy barn
sub has a cd that slows them down during dance, who knew!
tropic zephyr
<https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/comments/1ravhs1/what_are_the_classes_you_love_the...
Dagger specs sound design is so trash
I can get behind that
And law is meh compared to war's sound design
zinc briar
are we officialy the worst dps for raid?
craggy barn
officially? who knows tuning isnt technically done
warped tide
im wondering if im doing something wrong on the dummies but it seems like my cloak and autos are doing a shit ton of dmg on 5 target is it just prepatch stuff or something im doing wrong?
gaunt phoenix
im wondering if im doing something wrong on the dummies but it seems like my clo...
at 5 target, blade flurry should be the highest of course, followed by between the eyes, then blade rush + autos + main gauche + cloak should all be similar
You do need to be geared for crit and haste for bte to be high
warped tide
hmmm must be me then ofc bf is on top im at 24% crit and 22% haste that might be it
mighty pivot
24% crit is low
gaunt phoenix
in prepatch most ppl have >40% crit and >30% haste
warped tide
this is my leftover rogue still missing 20 ilvl and the right stats
gaunt phoenix
Dont worry about it for 9 days though
warped tide
yeah indeed thats what i thought
mighty pivot
Dont worry about it for 9 days though
I mean... at 90 we will be at around those stats anyway
warped tide
yay
mighty pivot
is the cloak even getting disabled at 81? or are they going to just let it get outscaled?
gaunt phoenix
yeah I meant you dont really have to recraft prepatch gear if you dont want to
cinder relic
are we officialy the worst dps for raid?
Based on what?
vivid vessel
on the damage inflicted to raid bosses
gaunt phoenix
the cloak spell does not have a level cap as far as i can see
mighty pivot
zac vs guy moment
cinder relic
Isn't assassination worse in the current raid, and the upcoming raid?
Like where are you looking at it to come to that conclusion?
mighty pivot
maybe he's checking 11.2 dps (wcl defaults to that)
frail veldt
@hasty warren how's your elbow
frail veldt
does details even work right now?
Details is dead
gaunt phoenix
elfow
strong halo
Details is dead
fak really? just broken or dead dead
frail veldt
I mean 90% of the functionality is gone
We don't have access to the combat log anymore so
frail veldt
Don't you have free healthcare over there
vivid vessel
skill issue !
hasty warren
like I'm stuck in 90 degree angle
strong halo
I mean 90% of the functionality is gone
yeah but just based on the looks and skin, i cant use the blizzard one its so bad and ugly
frail veldt
yeah but just based on the looks and skin, i cant use the blizzard one its so ba...
Yeah iiwii
hasty warren
gonna see a doctor this week
fathom bramble
fak really? just broken or dead dead
damage meters just don't really work like they use to
it's unlikely that details will ever work properly again
if you want real info you have to just log everything
frail veldt
It's sad
That's one of my favorite things to look at for like inspecting how shit works
Having to log every time is such a pain in the ass
fathom bramble
can't even check how hard my BTE just hit without loging
strong halo
if you want real info you have to just log everything
i understand the info part, im talking about the appearance. The default blizz ui dps meter is just so ugly, is there any real alternatives?
hasty warren
Api restrictions are still goofy
fathom bramble
i understand the info part, im talking about the appearance. The default blizz ...
details does work to reskin it
hasty warren
like u can't know ur health
strong halo
details does work to reskin it
its full breaking right now when i try to even load with ti
frail veldt
Try to reset the settings
You might have some old scripts or something causing issues
proven ocean
desert tendon
vivid vessel
its real bro
strong halo
What plater profiles are people using?
quaint grail
hey guys
im coming back after a long break
is outlaw dead?
it feels weird to play now
harsh forge
it’s the most fun rogue spec but that isn’t saying much
harsh forge
it’s a lot slower for sure but it’s not awful
glass mortar
it got simplified yes
harsh forge
but the tuning is bad
glass mortar
many people think it got hit the least worst of a lot of specs in the game by the simplification so
quaint grail
we dont play around BtE anymore right?
quaint grail
it doesnt reset anymore
glass mortar
it can on cast but no we dont have windows of btes anymore
quaint grail
:((
covert kestrel
What plater profiles are people using?
Jundies
indigo token
imma be real
i havent even done the work of redoing addons
its so fucking tedious to even thing about
covert kestrel
It was like an hour or two of fiddling to get something fine so not like the worst thinf
mighty pivot
@gaunt phoenix post cat!!!
vivid vessel
no!
mighty pivot
they are pawndering
keen belfry
nervous for the build next week
vivid vessel
untold wadi
copper radish
the outlaw dev has our full trust
Dev?
untold wadi
dev/null
keen belfry
the outlaw dev has our full trust
Yeah true he’s got us, or she!
formal thunder
copper radish
I HAVE to play with my friends
friends?
wintry solar
The people who love you
But they don't ever say it because it'd weird
copper radish
You know, friends?
wintry solar
<a:waitwhatspin:480080651790581771>
Us
wintry solar
wintry solar
:C
I bought a box of .357 Magnum Long Flat Nose. I was going to use them for hunting but I'll shoot 21 in solidarity for you
gaunt phoenix
<@921608341048930304> post cat!!!
vivid vessel
EW
wintry solar
!ban @Zac horse hater
craggy barn
how old is the horse
quaint mauve
gaunt phoenix
bright crane
Any of u guys get the epic edition for early access?
keen belfry
me
wintry solar
Me
bright crane
Trying to decide if I’m gonna pull the trigger on it
wintry solar
I'm not playing early access actually. My friends didn't get the epic edition so I gotta wait.
bright crane
I have to fly to WA the weekend of week 1
So I’m like
Losing VITAL play time
First week is literally make or break right??
wintry solar
You think you can squeeze in the extra $30 worth of game time within 3 days?
random stirrup
Any of u guys get the epic edition for early access?
already had it for beta access
bright crane
I used the boost already with the base purchase
Fuck it just gonna get it
youve convinced me
bright crane
That comes with a big ol book doesn’t it
lime lake
ew reading
bright crane
A tome, if you’d will
quaint mauve
Trying to decide if I’m gonna pull the trigger on it
you wont be missing anything if u dont
tbh
quaint mauve
I got the collectors edition
wtf where do u buy that
bright crane
Wow website but it’s sold out
quaint mauve
rip
cinder relic
U gotta buy that shit like, right when they announce it lmfoa
wintry solar
I'm getting TLT CE
wintry solar
U gotta buy that shit like, right when they announce it lmfoa
Did you get SL CE?
proven ocean
Did you get SL CE?
?
cinder relic
Ive gotten CE every tier since denathrius
wintry solar
Ive gotten CE every tier since denathrius
You goober
I wanted to get SLs but I was only working 9 hours a week 💀
cinder relic
It sucks cuz I really wanted the covenant pins
cinder relic
I just didnt care about decorating my room so I never got them until DF
when I was like
Maybe I do care about doing that
rare pebble
whats everyone using their 80 boost on
i was thinking about another rogue
would be my 3rd 80 rogue but idk im thinking about possibly a tank as well
terse fractal
If we dropped KiR in AoE build, whats the next best passive talent and how much of a DPS loss is it? Curious if anyone's done the math on that
gaunt phoenix
If we dropped KiR in AoE build, whats the next best passive talent and how much ...
~2.5% loss to move it into Heavy Hitter, it seems https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7E7K6MYRhufMeWEX6hZFQL
maybe a bit worse in preseason when we dont have haste
terse fractal
Noted, ty. KiR is fine, it just feels so.. "meh" to cast it on a double trouble which will be most of the time it seems.
hasty warren
hi pirates
jolly geyser
wintry solar
hi pirates
Sup
nova sinew
Am I supposed to have >19 haste on beta I’m waiting like 4 seconds between casts sometimes
As fatebound
gaunt phoenix
Yeah, you want up to 25%, but would need haste on every item + flask + weapon oils to get there
haughty wigeon
~2.5% loss to move it into Heavy Hitter, it seems https://mimiron.raidbots.com/s...
Domain expansion: 1 point in aces for all content
frail veldt
Noted, ty. KiR is fine, it just feels so.. "meh" to cast it on a double trouble ...
It feels very boring to play but it feels REALLY bad without it lol
Stage 1 to stage 2 of rtb feels like a huge jump rotation wise
And KiR really extends the 2+ stage uptime by a lot
Not sure of the exact numbers but stage 1 to 2 feels way more impactful than 2 to 3 or 3 to 4
Jackpot is pretty underwhelming tbh
frail veldt
Yeah, you want up to 25%, but would need haste on every item + flask + weapon oi...
So does this mean in s1 we're just gonna be searching for haste gear prio on every piece?
shy sandal
is outlaw goona be the weakest of the 3 spec in s1?
hasty warren
is outlaw goona be the weakest of the 3 spec in s1?
rogue doesn't looks great tbh
cursive stag
looks fine + tuning inc
jolly geyser
surely
untold wadi
untold wadi
quaint mauve
the classic lock discord has some banger stickers
we need the outlaw version of this
hearty lagoon
anyone else waiting for a outlaw rogue to stream so we can snatch some ui 😄
hasty warren
Do we have a list of what is hidden by API ?
leaden sonnet
Basically everything related to buffs and debuffs
quaint mauve
anyone else waiting for a outlaw rogue to stream so we can snatch some ui 😄
i went through the suffering of making my own ui
jolly geyser
hearty lagoon
i went through the suffering of making my own ui
uhh show us
jolly geyser
How we feeling
quaint mauve
uhh show us
i lowkey like
just barely changed thingsUI
would post pic but not home
forest bloom
I mean, there is Not alot to track.
Bf, opertunity, diceroll and loaded dice or am i mistaken?
hasty warren
Dead channel 🪦
the calm before the tempest
shy meteor
How we feeling
gameplay wise it´s okay, in comparison to other classes, but the numbers are missing imo
forest bloom
pretty happy right now.
ocean lodge
I love needing seven addons to do what a single aura could do
calm temple
guys is there and addon to track outlaw buffs and the new roll the bones???
unborn canyon
I mean the cool down manager
I use bcdm and easy reminders and it mostly does everything I need it to do.
Or buff reminders I don't remember one of the reminders apps
Between those two it did everything I used weak auras for besides yelling at me to interrupt shit or dodge frontals
frosty python
pretty happy right now.
How did you create the dice buff with name and the combo points with the colors? Thats dope af.
leaden sonnet
You put it into the "bar" on the buff tab
unborn canyon
Dice Buff with Name is done in the CDM by dragging it to tracked bars
forest bloom
after i created them with the standard CDM, i used CkraigCooldownManagerBarsOnly to make them visually appealing.
you can display them with icon + name or only with the Name which i did.
near rock
You put it into the "bar" on the buff tab
why you answering questions here 
leaden sonnet
tepid geode
weirdly asking but is outlaw easy to play?
frail veldt
weirdly asking but is outlaw easy to play?
easy is subjective and relative
I thikn relative to the rest of the specs in midnight outlaw might be one of the harder still
but relative to how it was in TWW its a LOT easier
gaunt phoenix
It's "hard" in the sense that it's fast, reactionary, and every global matters
But there's basically 0 forward thinking with cooldown usage unlike the other two specs
untold yarrow
hello 👋
I've been away for last few months and haven't kept up with Midnight changes for outlaw. Is there any chance that the spec will feel or play like it did in S3 DF?
gaunt phoenix
no, more like s1 df
indigo token
its been joever for months
cinder relic
More like bfa/sl
With fan, and ace, and kir
S1 DF was kind of unique
But I guess it depends how specific u wanna be with play styles
Either way, nothing like crackshot uhuh
That shit dead
gaunt phoenix
i say s1 df cause no borrowed power
gaunt phoenix
s1 df but no acro and no HO
untold yarrow
ok so?!
keen belfry
and a haste tax
untold yarrow
HO dead ?!??
hasty warren
uhuh is dead?
no more stealth stuffs
untold yarrow
Acro i didn't expect to get back but i always hope
untold yarrow
no more stealth stuffs
ah ok
cinder relic
Its a spec about building and spending combo points
U use blade rush on cd
And follow a simple prio list
untold yarrow
u levelled up with that new font bru
cinder relic
Thank you
gaunt phoenix
untold yarrow
rework is putting a 9mm bullet in KS brain
last time i played they fixed the teleporting
hasty warren
same ks than s3 but less damage
keen belfry
this doesn't sound THAT bad
its not THAT bad its just bad
its the best of the rogue specs
hasty warren
king of the garbage mountain
fathom bramble
best gameplay*
keen belfry
granted you could argue all 3 rogue specs are the worst theyve ever been
untold yarrow
do you still play around the cringe coup and KS shit
keen belfry
well u press thsoe buttons if u are trickster
fathom bramble
I think a lot of ancient(pre-legion) versions of the 3 specs have been worse than this to be fair
fathom bramble
do you still play around the cringe coup and KS shit
trickster is looking to be and hopefully remains worse
so no KS no coup
keen belfry
I think a lot of ancient(pre-legion) versions of the 3 specs have been worse tha...
hey big W we are shitting on the 2013 specs
hasty warren
well u press thsoe buttons if u are trickster
isn't fb the way to go for midnight ?
untold yarrow
so no KS no coup
omfg
keen belfry
isn't fb the way to go for midnight ?
they are close enough were tuning could change it
untold yarrow
i might actually resub thank you @fathom bramble
fathom bramble
see you in midnight
untold yarrow
i would for sure resub if acro was back
or if theyt said fuck this shit we rolling back to S3 DF outlaw
i would buss
rn
thanks guys
fathom bramble
hey big W we are shitting on the 2013 specs
at least we kept everything good legion gave us
everything we still had anyway
imagine how doomed it could be if we lost opportunity/pistol shot or something
calm temple
Does anyone know the name of this addon that tracks roll the bones new buffs?
fathom bramble
and we were actually back to pre-legion complexity
urban reef
Does anyone know the name of this addon that tracks roll the bones new buffs?
its based blizzard cooldown manager no?
fathom bramble
looks like default cooldown manager to me
untold yarrow
imagine how doomed it could be if we lost opportunity/pistol shot or something
yeah true.
Why is assa and sub dead btw did they gut those two specs for no reason as always?
fathom bramble
just speaking purely on gameplay both specs lost a lot of buttons without really gaining anything meaningful
and if you ask me they were already not that fun to play
calm temple
Oh nice i didnt know it existed xd
fathom bramble
assassination has a ton of talents that make it look like you'll be playing around envenom windows and pooling, but you end up having enough energy to just ignore it
and do super basic generator/finisher with no procs
untold yarrow
assassination has a ton of talents that make it look like you'll be playing arou...
has bleed build been killed off?
fathom bramble
spatter is giga nerfed so you rely on bleed spreading in aoe a lot
glass mortar
it does too much damage and so do bleeds
aoe is very very boring rn apparently from what ive heard
cinder relic
is KS dead?
Ks is only good for trickster now
Trickster has a handful of baked in synergies with using killing Spree. As a spell that fatebound uses its kinda but
frail veldt
How much of a loss is it to not take KS as trickster
glass mortar
probably pretty big still, its like half of ur blades sources
it would prob be big even if u insta cancelled it because the spell was so bad
frail veldt
probably pretty big still, its like half of ur blades sources
I figured cuz flawless form is perma up it matters less now
It's not like KS does more damage as trickster right
Only indirectly since flawless form only buffs finishers
fathom bramble
each blade is still worth just over 1 combo point of coup value and does some damage
I am interested in just how close it is though
considering how much of a DPS loss ks is by default
frail veldt
Yeah if they overbuff some other capstone's that trickster doesn't get then we might get some funny things lol
glass mortar
fazed would probably not be perma uptime if u didnt have kspree tbh
it is a substantial portion of ur total blade procs
even if it doesnt stack as high anymore
i wonder if they could get it in such a bad place ud insta cancel it tho
i did brawlers guild on my WW and u get so many payoffs for finishing ur channel now
it goes giga dam, at the end uf get a mega buff to ur auto damage for several seconds, and u get a stomp that does another FoF damage in a frontal
crazy kspree got no more iteration in 12.0
fathom bramble
looks like KS a ~7% damage point for trickster
nothing we can pick instead really comes close
glass mortar
thats like 2X the value of the next closest capstone if they r still accurate to what solo showed a month ago
ye
funny cause 7% doesnt actually sound that crazy
but all our capstones r so small
gaunt phoenix
should at least let it get you to finisher cps
glass mortar
or full channel it its neutral but feels better to cancel
drifting depot
Thx a lot for the advice on tracking roll the bones with cooldown manager, it works
silk stirrup
or full channel it its neutral but feels better to cancel
I hate if with a passion, the animation is dumb and I feel like I do no damage
drifting depot
Turned all the other UI elements from it invisible though, just left the buff bars
glass mortar
yup
so u can cancel it as soon as ur 7 CP in ar
feelcraft i also do that if im outside AR and about to cap energy
but normally u full cast it outside AR
silk stirrup
Even in ST?
fathom bramble
crazy kspree got no more iteration in 12.0
it really feels like it should have gotten more iteration a lot sooner than that
fathom bramble
we got 1 iteration in the form of doubling the CD and nothing else on the ptr that reworked it
silk stirrup
I actually liked the old KS
glass mortar
wdym they iterated on it a ton, remember when they buffed it like 6 weeks in a row
huge iteration
frail veldt
crazy kspree got no more iteration in 12.0
Remember when we joked saying they won't fix it til next xpac
And now the jokes on us
Lololol
silk stirrup
I feel they will never fix it in general
glass mortar
there simply wasnt time to rework kspree before 12.2
frail veldt
I feel they will never fix it in general
Same
I don't think they see it as a problem
The non prio part
limpid isle
I actually liked the old KS
i to preferred the gamble of disconnecting mid spree. good times.
glass mortar
yea at least now that its less of ur damage sources ur prio damage isnt as neutered by it
🙂
me when im outplaying my own abilities shitty design
fathom bramble
the fact that KS spent months disconnecting you everytime you cast it near water was crazy though
fathom bramble
I don't think they see it as a problem
I feel like now that they reworked the worst spell we have ever had into the 2nd worst spell we have ever had they are going to just leave it for a while
limpid isle
old ks disconnect reminds me of the flying disconnect stuff, go to fast, hit an angle wrong? boop
patent mirage
refering to the old ks should be banable
fathom bramble
some older versions of KS were better than the last melee version we had
teleporting to random sides made it so much worse than when it was behind your target only
patent mirage
at first you could even use fok during ks
silk stirrup
The final boss of Rookery
fathom bramble
yeah
glass mortar
did prepatch neutrer brawlers guild or was it always this undertuned
random stirrup
final boss KS 
first boss KS 
fathom bramble
every boss with a specific anchoring point instead of using the targets hitbox
patent mirage
it could easily be like th dh blade dance but oh well
frail veldt
I mean the bar is so low they really couldnt have made a worse ability
YET THEY GOT CLOSE
fathom bramble
it could easily be like th dh blade dance but oh well
10 years of this suggestion
frail veldt
its honestly impressive
fathom bramble
I remember when they teased DH intially and people called blade dance better KS
immediately
patent mirage
like you could move during the cast
fallow hinge
I mean the bar is so low they really couldnt have made a worse ability
I bet they could've tbh
patent mirage
or what was it called , an ability valeera has in midnight
fathom bramble
I bet they could've tbh
Flash of Steel, Repeatedly dash in a random direction and then towards the furthest enemy within 10 yards. This effect lasts 0.5 seconds per combo point spent and dashes x+1 combo points times over the duration. Each time you dash deal X% attack power damage to a random nearby enemy.
fallow hinge
Flash of Steel, Repeatedly dash in a random direction and then towards the furth...
Breath of Sindragroguesa - drains 1 combo point every 0.75s to attack a nearby enemy, lasts until you run out of combo points but you can keep generating them with SS/PS
fathom bramble
sounds familiar but idk from what game
fallow hinge
3 minute cooldown, non-restless, entire spec gets balanced around it for 4 expansions, punishes losing uptime
fathom bramble
it's actually crazy that they put a spell like that on a spec with no mobility
random stirrup
3 minute cooldown, non-restless, entire spec gets balanced around it for 4 expan...
nah put it on restless and have each new cast increase the ticking damage by 25%
fathom bramble
like there's a version of breath of singragroguesa that could actually work on outlaw and not be awful
glass mortar
it's actually crazy that they put a spell like that on a spec with no mobility
bro devoker is so funny rn
fallow hinge
Death from.. Somewhere - 1.5min cd, repeatedly casts grappling hook at a random location then casts a 5cp BtE or FtH PS at your target. Lasts for 2 grapples + 1 per CP spent
glass mortar
idk what the hell their dev was thinking
they play a talent that makes it so after u EB (ur blue empower spell) ur next azure strike is a nuke
except... its melee range
?????????
fathom bramble
?
glass mortar
it doesnt even auto dash u or anything
u need to either be in melee or use ur mobility to get there
as a ranged dps
xd
fallow hinge
except... its melee range
only the aoe component is around you, right?
glass mortar
yes but it hits the primary target too, im not sure how worth it is casting without getting both hits
fathom bramble
what if they just gave every ranged some random melee button
glass mortar
culd u imagine
giving priests a melee button
and the best, u make it some shit u press once every like 30s so it feels bad to even camp near melee
random stirrup
giving priests a melee button
belorelorelos
lime lake
priest is already in melee often to use their cc in keys
patent mirage
smack em with the staff
glass mortar
i think the whole ability design is dumb but if ur gunna force a ranged dps to go into melee u should at least have thought to make it auto dash them
patent mirage
make them learn
glass mortar
making ur ranged dps use its limited mobility to get into melee for 1 spell is so funny
fathom bramble
giving priests a melee button
Life Wrest, life grip can be used to attempt to forcibly wrest the life from your enemies within 5 yards while targeting an enemy. Deals X% spellpower damage increased by 12.5% per nearby enemy or ally.
Grasping wrest, Life grip now has a 30 yard range when targetting an enemy and moves you to their position before triggering its effects.
glass mortar
u know what i miss a suprising amount. Crackshots ability to be entirely a ranged window with a little good rng
glass mortar
killing mobs from 20 yards away while dodging a mechanic with a crackshot window and BS
outlaw deserves an aspect of the eagle cd i think
give all ur abilities 10 yard increased range and they shoot ur guns for 15s
lime lake
except... its melee range
azure sweep is an aoe around your target
they dont need to go into melee
glass mortar
thats not how it was working on dummies for me
fathom bramble
outlaw deserves an aspect of the eagle cd i think
I actually have a cook for that
glass mortar
fathom bramble
an old one but it still works
fathom bramble
Brace of pistols: 2 Charges 3 minute recharge. Your melee attacks gain a range of 20 yards and can no longer be parried for 10 seconds.
on restless*
round spindle
Is there a sim spreadsheet out yet? Or is it too soon?
glass mortar
tbh idk if its something that should be put on restless
lime lake
fathom bramble
I mean on restless or not doesn't matter too much
just lower base cd if it's not on restless
fallow hinge
Brace of pistols: 2 Charges 3 minute recharge. Your melee attacks gain a range o...
just make npcs unable to parry in the first place
fallow hinge
idk, I can parry roars in monster hunter, so ya know
glass mortar
aspect of the eagle is one of the coolest parts of survivals kit
and it feels relevant so often in raid
fathom bramble
it's very frustrating that last time blizz gave a response to the state of parrying they said bosses that require you to stand in front of them wouldn't/don't have a chance to parry you
glass mortar
outlaw with a cd like that would feel so much better
fathom bramble
and then we just keep getting fights that end up with you standing on front for extended periods of time
that have parry turned on
glass mortar
the issue with the parry part is it would probably make it a dps gain to use this ability on fights where u cant be behind the target
if this thing was ever a pure dps gain to use rotationally i dont think theyd let it exist
fathom bramble
tbh idk if its something that should be put on restless
the kind of idea around it being on restless and the timing in general was that you could have it for any AR cast to prevent AR from getting interrupted
it's kind of a pre-uhuh cook
glass mortar
honestly survival is lucky theyve gotten to keep eagle
fathom bramble
when our biggest problem was AR being up at random times potentially destroying your feedback loop from a mechanic
glass mortar
these r the exact types of buttons specs lost in the midnight simplification
fallow hinge
npcs parrying is a holdover from the hit rating/expertise days. It has no place in modern wow
glass mortar
i doubt they ever add more
outlaw would be the perf spec for it we already r half pistols
fathom bramble
yeah
if we ever get it I would bet it'll be a passive tied to some other spell
like during AR we are ranged or something
frail veldt
that would be 100/10
fallow hinge
outlaw becoming a 25yd range spec is something I could see them cooking for tlt
glass mortar
id be fine with a passive like that as long as they still consider us a melee spec
frail veldt
is survival considered melee?
glass mortar
yup
frail veldt
I think so right
fallow hinge
yes, because it is melee
glass mortar
but theirs isnt passive
its an active on a 1m cd that makes their only tied to melee spell ranged for 15s
they still cant auto from range
glass mortar
it was a godsend on queen prog/kyveza
fathom bramble
its an active on a 1m cd that makes their only tied to melee spell ranged for 15...
ret actually has this up all the time
fallow hinge
yeah but we REALLY need to auto from range rn because double daggers and focus gain on auto attack is the only way we have to not be focus starved for the whole fight
glass mortar
yea survival has more mobility then stinky pallies altho they sorta smashed it
them nerfing its primary cd so much sucks
fallow hinge
idk, I kinda like new takedown
glass mortar
isnt it just much worse then CA
its shorter and a smaller damage amp and doesnt have the same range
fathom bramble
outlaw becoming a 25yd range spec is something I could see them cooking for tlt
this as a 4th spec could be cool
fallow hinge
does a ton of upfront damage though
fathom bramble
though you end up with a hunter problem where the ranged spec is now default
glass mortar
that isnt interesting tho
fathom bramble
since ranged is just better
glass mortar
could actually use the CA range on so many fights last expac too
idk why they nerfed the range so much
fallow hinge
though you end up with a hunter problem where the ranged spec is now default
hasn't really happened for feral or enh
lime lake
hasnt it
glass mortar
isnt boomkin the default druid dps spec most seasons on the high end?
lime lake
maybe not shaman but boomkin is absolutely the default druid dps
glass mortar
i cant remember the last time feral was the prog spec
lime lake
amirdrassil feral was strong af
fallow hinge
yeah but noone's out there demanding their ferals reroll boomie
vivid vessel
enhance also has seen less play since they lost winfury
lime lake
no one has a feral
glass mortar
they arent?
fallow hinge
unlike surv where we're constantly getting asked to reroll
glass mortar
i mean its playbase is usually as small or smaller then survival i feel like
fallow hinge
you don't question the onetricks on those specs
glass mortar
so i have no idea how ud quantify one way or the other
besides personal acendotes
even when its tuning is good its underplayed
shadow trellis
enhance also has seen less play since they lost winfury
Wait no more windfury?
glass mortar
not as a unique buff
shadow trellis
fathom bramble
windfury is on all shaman specs
glass mortar
all shaman specs bring it now
lime lake
skyfury is just all shamans
fallow hinge
even when its tuning is good its underplayed
side note: that's why it's important for tuning to remain good
vivid vessel
yes
glass mortar
side note: that's why it's important for tuning to remain good
ud think the same for law
vivid vessel
since then enhance has not seen as much play
tho it is usually tuned good so
they are lucky
fathom bramble
most fight design you would just rather have a ranged if the 2 specs are close
fallow hinge
what you maining in midi s1 zac
fathom bramble
outside of a few fights(tindral) that actually force a certain melee count
vivid vessel
outlaw
fallow hinge
most fight design you would just rather have a ranged if the 2 specs are close
even if surv is gapping mm/bm, I'm still gonna be first to swap off melee, not our feral or enh even if the gap is much smaller or in favour of ranged for those two
frail veldt
most fight design you would just rather have a ranged if the 2 specs are close
a ranged can always stand close
a melee cant stand far
fathom bramble
obviously social pressure will be different for different people, but it is a fact that ranged just makes the fights easier to engage with and has more versatility
glass mortar
its easier to swap someone from survival to the ranged specs then feral tho probably
gearwise if uve already been playing
glass mortar
bows and guns have very little competition
fathom bramble
it helps that only 1 class uses bows so you will kind of always have one
glass mortar
trinkets might be identical
fallow hinge
but if survival is the best of those 3 melee specs, it sucks to be the first one to swap :(
frail veldt
obviously social pressure will be different for different people, but it is a fa...
the only time people want melee is when the ranged are too shit to stand close
and they dont want to lol
fallow hinge
and I'm pretty sure midi s1 trinkets are almost universally in the same pool of like, maybe 5 trinkets
fathom bramble
mostly it's really fights that force melee/ranged split by having a mechanic that does or doesn't target melee right
fallow hinge
plume, alnseer and a few others
frail veldt
yeah true
fathom bramble
tindral melee couldn't get the dispel so it made for simple feather groups
if you had ranged in the feather groups it would require much more coordination
fallow hinge
sprocketmonger requiring 9 ranged/healer was painful for us
fathom bramble
wanting exactly 9 ranged was particularly cursed
glass mortar
sprocketmonger the only fight on the tier where u had to play fatebound kir
i was so out of practice for non trickster by the time we got to that fight
copper radish
How are we liking the crest change
glass mortar
according to latias guide its a new positive in every way from what it was
fathom bramble
it's weird that fully upgrading a heroic item can save you on myth crests
which means you have some weird logic for when and where to spend crests
and you won't just finish heroic crests in 2.5 weeks this time around either
worldly shale
arctic merlin
random cosmos
!ui
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craggy barn
instead of windfury just being a enhance totem
they should move windfury away from shamans so that they dont have a 2 in one raid buff
and move it to someone else like rogue 🙂
jolly geyser
copper radish
they should move windfury away from shamans so that they dont have a 2 in one ra...
Wind fury the new outlaw mastery passive
brisk crypt
Wind fury the new outlaw mastery passive
Rename Windfury to blade flurry and make blade flurry something else 😛
zinc briar
dafuq is this.. im perma 0 energy
hard to keep my bf up sometimes
my god outlaw is so cluncky now
radiant wyvern
dafuq is this.. im perma 0 energy
Hi! Blizzard here! This is intended
cerulean halo
hi guys, wanting to come back to retail this week. How is outlaw current state ?
Or the expectations for midnight
cinder relic
Like vibes or numbers
lethal oak
hi guys, wanting to come back to retail this week. How is outlaw current state ?
its the best its ever been as long as you dont compare it to anything
or previous versions
untold wadi
cerulean halo
Like vibes or numbers
both xd
cerulean halo
its the best its ever been as long as you dont compare it to anything
i see
last time i played retail was on DF season1
cinder relic
both xd
Numbers who knows. It was op for a bit and got a big nerf but so has everything.
Vibes it depends. The spec is very different than how it's been for since DF s3
If you were fond of that playstyle, the spec is really nothing similar
copper radish
Four more days and we gravedigging
jolly geyser
our own graves
wintry solar
March 2nd yet?
copper radish
March 2nd yet?
You mean Feb 26
wintry solar
No I mean March 2nd
Re9 comes out the 27th so I'll be busy roundhouse kicking zombies
26th is bag and bank cleaning day
@gaunt phoenix
???
gaunt phoenix
wintry solar
Can't believe the renamed MURDER!!!
untold wadi
<@921608341048930304>
wintry solar
lethal oak
jolly geyser
calm island
can someone explain to me why we dont take solarplexus in the aoe build?
i mean its one more cc on a 25 sec cd
random stirrup
airborne irritant still makes blind aoe even though it doesnt say it does
and having an aoe cc > gouge
leaden sonnet
One of the tooltips of all time for sure
untold wadi
guys exposing trade secrets
formal yarrow
hI guys, coming brack from a long break, season 1, whats the outlaw status
gaunt phoenix
see this #outlaw message
formal yarrow
hahaha, whats the big nerf?
gaunt phoenix
there was a 15% aura buff but then they realized their data was skewed by a bug with auto attacks, so they reverted that and then added an extra net loss on top of it
Remains to be seen if it was too much i think
untold wadi
fair charm
frail veldt
I know, KNOW one of you horn dogs joined
joined what
silk stirrup
Some dude was spamming some porn and got banned
keen belfry
Where?? Link!?
wintry solar
You like bunny girls?
tender wedge
Yeah I need to know what not to click
wintry solar
That's what it wad
Was
Yeah I clicked on it to make sure no one else fid
Did
Talk is cheap yknow?
lucid sparrow
is it bad to KS during AR
pure folio
lucid sparrow
ty idk how i missed that
keen junco
Just play fatebound. Trickster feel doo doo. KS is not a fun button to press.
river wing
idk
KS is an incredible button overall feel-wise, shame it's tuned so low
cinder relic
I lowkey love KS
river wing
rapid-fire pistols in both hands with actual sound and even a little screenshake, it's so damn cool
cinder relic
I just ignore all the prio damage stuff, I just play da spec and I like pressing it
wintry solar
I too love when my character looks like a slideshow
real mauve
is early access for everyone?
river wing
I too love when my character looks like a slideshow
p sure it's intentional
https://youtu.be/pPuAKVnqJdk?t=72
patent mirage
it feels ok for me
the rtb change is mostly welcome
idk if it would be a good idea , but i think bf giving cps should be baseline and then they could tune deft , so when you use bf it does more dmg
so you get a "punch "
vivid vessel
Why
Deft is already not that good of a talent
And the way it's positioned it's baseline anyway
They could afford to have it do damage
They just don't want to cause idk
fluid moon
p sure it's intentional
https://youtu.be/pPuAKVnqJdk?t=72
Such a good movie
mighty pivot
It's so robotic and just lame imo
common poopoo L take
heavy fiber
day 1 to outlaw, is macroing roll the bones and keep it rolling for the opener a thing?
unkempt dew
Just go brrrr
heavy fiber
and wtf is stage 2 Roll the Bones.
wait nvm
i am lost, what is wowhead talking about
mighty pivot
read outlaw faq
mighty pivot
You don't gain anything by macroing RTB and KIR together for the opener. Instead it can backfire
Your main contribution to recovering your cooldowns is spending combo points, and you won't be doing that during rtb's gcd
cobalt token
Just play fatebound. Trickster feel doo doo. KS is not a fun button to press.
imagine having free will
i see sum is meta
i play it
easy
muted crest
guys how outlaw doin? im still not sure to start the exp or not xd
potent ore
dunno dmg wise but it is atleast more engaging than sub
cobalt token
guys how outlaw doin? im still not sure to start the exp or not xd
rn top 5 weakest pretty sure
tho ive heard its better in proper midnight
cant confirm myself
gaunt phoenix
!up
ornate heathBOT
copper radish
3 more days
copper radish
Yeah but at least we have apex we can wait with
river wing
17 days are barely enough for levelling
I gotta level 7 chars and grind their profs up too
got epic simply to start crafting profs earlier, it's another reset weekly for scrumptious knowledge points
polar kelp
Yeah but at least we have apex we can wait with
It's ok right now we have pre patch to wait with....
gaunt phoenix
is preseason veteran track with some champion?
river wing
is preseason veteran track with some champion?
I'd think so, weekly WQs give out veteran and so does low rep stuff
oh, M+0 will be available, won't it? so champ is on the table
river wing
fair, just going off S3 changes seemingly being what could be carried forward
since honestly m+0 has no value in season proper
polar kelp
And remember you can only do M0 once per week per dungeon anyway
river wing
ye
mighty pivot
Wasn't there a roadmap showing m0 1 week before m+?
polar kelp
Can we do professions during the 4 early access days? Did they ever comment on that?
river wing
p sure we can, would be silly if not
polar kelp
Last xpac you couldnt
river wing
fr? well that's weird
polar kelp
I think maybe we could do gathering???? But definitely not crafting. But I might be misremembering....coulda been no to both
river wing
well, gonna see it next Friday lmao
polar kelp
No it's this Thursday!
river wing
says 3 days 9 hours
okay yeah that's gonna be early Friday for me, huh
shiiiiiet
that's gonna be a long day at work innit
polar kelp
Not too bad here in NA, doesn't start till 4pm so can knock off a bit early and then just be a troll for the night
zinc briar
when is the early launch for eu? thursday to friday night at 00.00¿?
river wing
thur night 23:00 for GMT+0 apparently
zinc briar
ahm thx
mossy compass
Regarding our Apex talents, does the third point (Rank 2 second point) change anything?
I see in other specs some values or percentages increase with the 3rd point, but ours has no difference.
I know it doesn't matter in the long run since we need it for the final rank, but just curious.
mighty pivot
it changes the AP scaling of the proc iirc
mossy compass
it changes the AP scaling of the proc iirc
That would make sense, but both say 160%
midnight ridge
they have more important things to do than fixing some main expansion talents for 12 persons playing some forgotten spec
store furnitures are main focus rn
gaunt phoenix
That would make sense, but both say 160%
it's just a tooltip thing
wintry solar
it changes the AP scaling of the proc iirc
Meanie
gaunt phoenix
the ap does get increased
mossy compass
So is it 80% -> 160%, or 160% -> 320%?
lucid stirrup
they have more important things to do than fixing some main expansion talents fo...
this guy blizzards
mossy compass
Like which tooltip is wrong?
gaunt phoenix
1.6 > 3.2
old trout
Hey friends, I’ve been trying to find the answer on my own but can’t seem to find any information on it. What poisons are we running for raid and m+?
gaunt phoenix
your lethal poison is almost always Instant Poison
there are some cases in M+ where you can swap to wound poison for the healing reduction, as in literally swapping poisons in the middle of the key
your nonlethal poison is generally a choice between Atrophic and Numbing
can use atrophic in raid and numbing in keys, but higher keys will start to prefer atrophic
vivid dune
