#outlaw

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desert tendon
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it's back

glass mortar
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a+wangbar

keen belfry
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was thom grooming me

gaunt phoenix
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what

desert tendon
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skibidi

keen belfry
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rizz?

desert tendon
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67

fervent garden
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dude.

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don''t get us in troublenow

frail veldt
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ban him

keen belfry
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you dm'd me and said im super mature for my age

desert tendon
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Yes ban zac please

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listen to mewo

fervent garden
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jesus.

glass mortar
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wtf but he called u sophmoric to ur face

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what a 2 faced LIAR man

keen belfry
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yeah..

glass mortar
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wtf...

desert tendon
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dang...

frail veldt
keen belfry
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...

desert tendon
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no mewo

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sorry but no

frail veldt
desert tendon
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Guy is the voice

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Litterally

frail veldt
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he has a voice

vivid vessel
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ok have you ever seen me type that many words tho

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i deeply apologize raxus

keen belfry
grave rose
vivid vessel
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i mean i legitimally

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wasnt

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idk

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i just typed lil bro

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cause

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idk it sounded right

grave rose
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All good man

vivid vessel
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guys

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im so bored

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i need midnight to release

grave rose
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Clair Obscura is pretty good if you haven't played it

vivid vessel
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i dont like single players game

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like without any competition in it

glass mortar
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go play some fellowship zac

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u can play a manic pixie egirl healer

vivid vessel
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i dont like fellowship

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i told you already

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champs are too simple

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like wow midnight

glass mortar
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honestly more interesting then wow midnight stuff if u ask me now but yea sure

vivid vessel
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true

grave rose
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Apparently I have Deadlock

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never played it

glass mortar
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gigagame

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highly recommend

grave rose
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I used to play dota, war3, then HoN, then dota 2. Not sure the moba thing will work for me again

glass mortar
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it is one of the most unique takes on the moba model ever done imo

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but i feel u

grave rose
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Ill have to give it a spin

hardy vault
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i've played wayyy too much league since the season came out

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feel like i've learned a lot tho

cinder relic
grave rose
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So I hear, I'll have to fire it up one of these days

past falcon
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yo why were the girls fighting so early in the western day wtf

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!wang

keen belfry
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they were speed running how to become ugly western girls

past falcon
keen belfry
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westerners when they see a normal looking woman:
yeah no

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was zach implying hes western or not

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was he ashamed of his people or flaming westeners

glass mortar
desert tendon
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can you help me to count to 4 big bro zac?

grave rose
desert tendon
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and zac is french

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he says condescending words every 2 sentences

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but he doesnt mean any harm

hardy vault
past falcon
desert tendon
grave rose
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some of the shit those speed runners do is nuts

desert tendon
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in e33

grave rose
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just speed running in general

desert tendon
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and kinda any turn base jrpg style games

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not really

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i mean the rng is impressive

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but then it's just doing runs that take 20% of your day

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until it works

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imho

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i m so hype, i hope re9 has a great run because last RE were really not my cup of tea. And i already started to derust mgs4 for this summer happy_holiday_pepe

grave rose
desert tendon
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you can chose

grave rose
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9 you can do third person though

desert tendon
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that s huge

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the next silent hill will be fps only tho

grave rose
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I was happy when I saw that

desert tendon
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and that i m afraid wont be to my liking

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(i hate speedruning SH anyway, they re just walking simulators to me kekw )

grave rose
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The first two deadspace and evil within games are pretty solid

desert tendon
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havent tried to run deadspace, just did casual playthrough. Evil within, and it's a hot take for many, but i loved the game

grave rose
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the second one was solid as well

desert tendon
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i feel like it went a bit too much into action game at some point, and the 2nd part of the 2 is bad storywise until the big revelations later on. It's just mess over mess until that point

marsh raft
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is outlaw solid for solo content? (high end delves, prey, etc)

grave rose
lime lake
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its joever

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dont let him trick you

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repent now

glass mortar
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no way to tell until we get to play it

desert tendon
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but the speedruns are better than average, and the casual playthrough / story are solid. Wish we had a 3 but since microsoft fired the dev team and shred appart the studio :) :) :) :)

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we love microsoft :) :) :)

glass mortar
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our current passive defensive kit, which is arguably ur most important tool vs solo content, is the weakest its ever been

marsh raft
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im a new player trying to pick a spec for midnight, so if youre memeing or whatever i wont get it lol

glass mortar
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we have pissall for trickle healing and barely any passive DRs left

grave rose
glass mortar
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new outlaw is much much much weaker for solo type content then previous outlaw was, but previous outlaw also mogged that content hard

marsh raft
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since wrath

glass mortar
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so its impossible to tell without playtesting it

marsh raft
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so its been a while

desert tendon
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hearing it like that, it's fine. It's probably not the bestn it's probably not the spec to go to the highest level of the game easily, even if it's possible of course

grave rose
# marsh raft since wrath

Ret is a little more straight forward for melee, not that the new outlaw is difficult by any means

desert tendon
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but hearing that you re a returning player and what you aim for, outlaw's fine imo

marsh raft
glass mortar
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if ur not trying to limit test solo content then all specs should be fine

desert tendon
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damn, i didnt doomed outlaw for one day

glass mortar
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so outlaw will be fine

grave rose
glass mortar
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generally they tune that content to be pretty easy to complete once u have the gear for it

desert tendon
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Also vanish is out of the rotation now right?

grave rose
glass mortar
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vanish was part of why it was so strong

desert tendon
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So outlaw never been better for solo content OMEGAKEKW

glass mortar
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but yes you dont need a vanish bte macro anymore

marsh raft
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are we not supposed to use slice and dice? this highlight thingy never suggests it

glass mortar
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dispatch applies it

marsh raft
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ohhh ok

gaunt phoenix
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it is automatically casted by Dispatch, but you do use it prepull sometimes

glass mortar
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if u check the FaQ theres a rule to use dispatch as higher prio then bte even if SnD is down (like in the opener)

marsh raft
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ok ty

glass mortar
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its useful to bind the actual button in the open world to dump combo points into while running around and whatnot tho

gaunt phoenix
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in M+, you use AR before the key is put in, and then during the bubble you should have CPs to SnD

glass mortar
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and for that ^

grave rose
gaunt phoenix
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zero

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it only matters in the first pull

glass mortar
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the actual amount probably so small it wouldnt even be measurable in sims (margin of error)

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but its free and it feels nice so why not

grave rose
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the real question is, do we play HO?

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lol

glass mortar
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only if it finds god

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(extreme blizzard tuning)

grave rose
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I was joking

mystic berry
grave rose
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Although I do enjoy me some HO

glass mortar
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its not like the design of the talent is unplayably bad its just severely undertuned

grave rose
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Hot Orifice.

mystic berry
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Harsh Omellette

gaunt phoenix
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audacity should make ambush cheaper

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and HO doesnt need to be 80%, that value is from a different time

glass mortar
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feels like they barely put an effort into cooking HO for the "new" outlaw ngl

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and with the serious intent of removing all the gains value from stealth stuff i see why

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might be time to just rip it off and replace it with something else

gaunt phoenix
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but if we play HO, then technically we use vanish again

glass mortar
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yea exactly, bit of a problem right

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well, if their goal is to remove all stealth interactions

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not a problem for me

grave rose
glass mortar
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Unironically the ancient dispatch of assassination where it was a button usable in execute or as a proc off casting mutilate that was its own button

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is like... the final form i can imagine for HO

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they invented it 10 years ago tho garf

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need the new devs to go back and rediscover

cinder relic
frail veldt
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yeah pretty much all the builds that arent used could very easily be solved with just tuning

frail veldt
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or would we actually take subterfuge then

plucky wasp
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Isnt the big thing of HO the amplified cp gen and not necessarily the dmg?

glass mortar
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id be surprised if ambush is more CP gen on average then SS with how high uptime on 2 buff RtB is

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its a mix of both tho

craggy barn
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they gonna add crackshot to a tier set just watch

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the free dispatch part

glass mortar
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it could

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it wouldnt do much (aside from damage)

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CtOs gone

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maybe it would work with gravedigger tho

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i expect s2 or s3 to be apex talent themed tier sets anyway

gaunt phoenix
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killing spree tier

glass mortar
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hmmmm

desert tendon
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a tier that will make KS teleport yourself arround the target wihtout being able to perform any action for 3 seconds

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imagine how good that would go!

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hire me blizzard please, i have many ideas 🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

gaunt phoenix
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Killing Spree damages all targets within 12 yards and channels 25% faster.

Killing Spree grants you "Deadeye" for 12 seconds. During Deadeye, all spells have their range increased by 12 yards and deal an additional 12% of their damage as Fire.

next wedge
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are we gonna see in rogues in the race

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i feel like we're not

glass mortar
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SOLO

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mfw i turn outlaw into a 50% ranged dps spec with a tier set

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theyve done crazier things

maiden quail
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Do yall think the tumbleweed they added to BtE increases your overall DPS?

gaunt phoenix
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yes

glass mortar
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i wish we could turn it off

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one day they will use the glyph system for stuff like this

maiden quail
grave rose
glass mortar
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i mean id love a gunslinger spec

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dont want outlaw to be deleted to make it tho

hardy vault
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or just bench

vivid vessel
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@glass mortar

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20 boss dungeon

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this is the people designing wow

grave rose
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i still have nightmares about brd

limpid isle
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so we are going back to BRD basically? 🤔

lime lake
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no

grave rose
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sounds like theyll be labrinths, or something like that

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add on to the delve system

lime lake
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they're specifically doing this in labyrinths because they dont want to interfere with m+

vivid vessel
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he is just saying it was better when dungeons were 20 bosses long

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not that we are going there

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holy fuck 4 bosses dungeons are already too long

lime lake
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yeah long dungeons are not fun 95% of the time

rigid basin
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I do enjoy spending 2 hours in a single dungeon Catnod

fathom bramble
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they are allowed to(and already do) make dungeons that are longer and just segment them out for keys...

vivid vessel
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i still cant believe floodgate was almost the best dungeon in the game

grave rose
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20 boss mythic + with a 3 hour timer

vivid vessel
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and then they added another boss after swampface

fathom bramble
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megadungeons definitely do not feel designed for M+

fresh acorn
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I mean with resil you spend 2 hours on the first pack

fathom bramble
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like ever

rigid basin
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The entire M+ season is just different parts of the same dungeon imagine hmm

lime lake
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bubbles shouldve been the last boss

vivid vessel
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rp everywhere cause idk

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story fun

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i enjoy wiating 20s in front of a door

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cause some bozo is talking

lime lake
vivid vessel
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in fellowship they have a dungeon with a rp part like that

lime lake
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feels kinda silly

glass mortar
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they arent wrong

vivid vessel
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and its 10 times better

glass mortar
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they definitly lost some of their rpg roots

vivid vessel
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cause there is a big ass dragon animation thing

glass mortar
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but most of the top end gamers literally hate 99% of the "rpg" aspect of the game

vivid vessel
glass mortar
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zac being the poster child for these people

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so idk why the designer would treat it like a negative

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the audiance for that content changed

fathom bramble
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these long dungeons run counter to their other goals so idk what the deal is

glass mortar
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imo i think they do a perfectly fine balance right now

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with mega dungeons

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and with the new mega delve coming

fathom bramble
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you can't get me lost in a megadungeon with 20 bosses and respect my time at the same time

glass mortar
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delves are perfect for this since its optional side solo content

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that u can bring friends to even

glass mortar
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using a lockout system like raids to save ur progress ifu want to leave and come back

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etc

lime lake
glass mortar
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well thats what they said anyway, who knows how itll actually come out

fathom bramble
lime lake
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he just says that m+ has changed how they design dungeons and that type of thing doesnt exist anymore in that space

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but it can exist in delves

fathom bramble
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I mean if you can drop it and come back ay any time then it could have 400 bosses and be fine

glass mortar
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oh nice ok the title was a bit baity then

fathom bramble
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actual season long delve lol

lime lake
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that would be kinda funny actually

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legit just a season long endeavor to clear this one massive delve

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like palace of the dead in ffxiv or something

glass mortar
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torg was also kinda like this right, and the parts of torg that were like this were the best parts imo

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the issue with torg was it was the same fucking aesthetic and map for 90% of the floors

limpid isle
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shit is goated. and rage inducing. fun stuff that palace.

glass mortar
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so it got a bit tiring

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maybe mega delve will bait me back into this game

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i hope they cook it hard

fathom bramble
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when they first teased delves and mentioned finding temporary upgrades in them I really expected it to be more like torghast

glass mortar
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the temp powers are way undercooked i think

fathom bramble
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instead the upgrades that even use the torghast interface are all incredibly basic and often meaningless

glass mortar
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i wouldnt want it to get to torg levels of silly power scaling

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but they pulled back too far

fathom bramble
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just at least 1 or 2 interesting things would be cool

glass mortar
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i stopped getting any power that involved fighting an elite like halfway thru s1 when i realized it took more time to kill the elite then it removed from the delve to get the power

maiden quail
fathom bramble
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especially in the form of giving healings damage, and dps healing

glass mortar
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true yea being able to farm up leech or ways to make up for ur classes weakness would be nice

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there should be more powers then we have currently in delves i think

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just not torg amounts

lime lake
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yeah

fathom bramble
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yeah like 1-4 maybe

lime lake
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more than just "you double jump and heal (but not really)"

fathom bramble
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instead of 10-40 per torghast

lime lake
fathom bramble
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and since ranged is fundamentally better you might see all melee rogue specs fall to the wayside forever

glass mortar
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yea that is a problem aspect for sure

cinder relic
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Solution, ranged rogue doesn't get atrophic

maiden quail
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I mean Hunter has a stealth element and there’s still plenty of rogues

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“Plenty” is a loose term lol

glass mortar
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and that is indeed a way to solve it

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u poisoning those bullets blud???

lime lake
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make it hand crossbow spec

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we get demon hunter

jolly geyser
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blowgun spec

fathom bramble
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imagine the potential for the hero talent that is shared by law and slinger though

cinder relic
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Guys who just saw the slay the spire 2 trailer

maiden quail
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D3 demon hunter, in my WoW? Stop, I can only get so…

fresh acorn
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Just make ranged rogue holiday from deadlock

lime lake
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i didnt know wtf dh was in warcraft so when i read wow was getting dh i legit throught it was hand crossbow class

fresh acorn
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Power keg, crackshot, and a whip (grip)

lime lake
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was very disappointed

glass mortar
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hand crossbow class would have been cooler but i never liked the dh fantasy so its just not my cupa

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maybe id like it more if u had more customization of ur meta form but i aint no illidan wannabee

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and they spend way too much time as that shit most seasons

fathom bramble
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DH rotation is usually either annoying or too simple

glass mortar
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or maybe i should say "any" customization of meta form

fathom bramble
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on one hand you can have DH too simple and not really engaging or give it a ton of forced movement

cinder relic
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I feel its been a very, ""annoying"" spec for awhile now

fathom bramble
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well the 'simple' builds have existed and been close behind or sometimes better

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but yeah the annoying versions have taken the spotlight most of the time

glass mortar
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even when im playing dh i realize i dont like anything about dh, i just like being able to double jump glide on command

fathom bramble
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I'm not sure how it looks in midnight though

glass mortar
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pretty much any class with Z axis shenangins feels like cheat mode in this game to me

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monks, evokers, dh

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give me double jump rogue

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😠

maiden quail
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Rogue deserves double jump!!!

cinder relic
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DH is one of the specs I can point to and say "I'm glad they are doing some osrt of pruning"

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i feel like I've always wanted to play DH but its alwyas been like

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"Alright so you backflip blade dance into hunt essence blast into eyebeam but make sure to clip it here into felblade and"

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Like bro let me hit death sweep

lime lake
arctic merlin
lime lake
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they should give rogue double jump without glide

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like how evoker has glide without double jump

arctic merlin
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Low mover was good last season, now it's with inertia

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Combining mechanics with movement feels good

glass mortar
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the gate change on prepatch made it so monks cant take their air dash talent without losing a dps talent anymore

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literally unplayable

arctic merlin
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DH is a very satisfying class to play if aldrachi reaver is meta because stacking those big blade dances in bigger pulls feels amazing

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But I agree that rogue barely has any mobility like those classes

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A bit of an outdated one with sprint and grapple hook

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But no real dashes or jumps and that's a big part of the fantasy

glass mortar
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i mean our mobility is fine, especially outlaws, its just not as fun

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and plus in the type of content i enjoy the most (solo content out in the world/cities) parkouring around as the classes i mentioned is just a banger

arctic merlin
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It's fine, it's just outdated

glass mortar
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feels like ur legit playing a different game

arctic merlin
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Yep

glass mortar
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unbreak the Z axis for grapple cowards

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you can flying mount everywhere anyway

fathom bramble
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grapple use to have different Z axis rules from stuff like leap and they took it away

glass mortar
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also would fix the part where any fight with platforms, if you ever mess up and end up 0.1 nanometers off the edge of the platform, grapple cant find a path to get u back on

fathom bramble
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probably because of how easy it was to clip through walls or out of the map with specific usage

vivid vessel
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and dh

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can still do that

fathom bramble
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like they could absolutely make every boss platform work

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they just don't for some reason

glass mortar
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i think it moreso depends on the knockback actually, most knockbacks have an "upward" component, but some just push you back directly

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and i think its not about being off the platform, its about being any level under it

arctic merlin
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The biggest mechanics advantage is the breaking of momentum with glide

glass mortar
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so ur trying to go "up" the Z axis

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even if ur like a pixel down

fathom bramble
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you could grapple up from pretty far down on some of these platforms

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I think it's moreso having a terrain box below the platform vs. an infinite fall

glass mortar
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but they should just make it everywhere because why not let us have fun

fathom bramble
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some kind of surface to path up

glass mortar
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are we really worried about breaking raids or clipping things in this game since dh was added?

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any raid that can be broken is broken by those fuks

fathom bramble
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like take the Denathrius platforms

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you could grapple between them and grapple up from falling into a ditch

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likely because the killbox and terrain were so close to the platforms themselves

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sylvanas platforms also had extreme leniency with grapple/leap targeting letting you come back up from falling off the bridges if you were quick on it

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blizzard can do it without changing any rules they just don't have it as a priority

glass mortar
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yea

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and it sucks more because it is a game consistency issue

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me not knowing if ill be able to grapple from a knockback/jump off a platform until it kills me on the fight

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because theres not really any way to tell

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sometimes it works, (and if it works like you said it always works on those platforms) and sometimes you can literally be 1 pixel off the platform and theres no path available

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its not a huge deal (because there arent many mobility abilities that use grapples style) but they should fix it 😠

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or give us an air dash

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💅

fathom bramble
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it's just DH(tank), outlaw, and warrior right

glass mortar
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idk what kinda targeting the new dh dash uses

fathom bramble
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or technically gateway has the same targetting rules but doesn't really apply to falling off ledges

glass mortar
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but it has a ground targeting reticle i think

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but yea thats all the ones I know of

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technically evokers rescue i guess but honestly, that thing almost never breaks for me you can pull off some unhinged flights with it

fathom bramble
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idk rescue I've seen do some weird shit

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it has to have different targetting rules in some way

glass mortar
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yea i think it must

fathom bramble
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but I obviously haven't done exhaustive testing like with leap and DH leap

glass mortar
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i havent limit tested it on edges because... ur an evoker

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you automatically avoid dying to getting knocked off stuff if you are awake at ur pc

honest sparrow
lime lake
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ok but rescuing someone off an edge just to get you back onto an edge would go hard

lime lake
glass mortar
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there has been ledges you could rescue "off" of

lime lake
glass mortar
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or there was in df, they might have fixed it

lime lake
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oh that was korthia

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not zm

glass mortar
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u could rescue someone so far on the lip of something their hitbox would be off it and theyd just fall

lime lake
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still

glass mortar
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we used to do evoker rescue chains in s1 of DF omegalul

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on people who afk'd trash

lime lake
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i love movement abilities like that

fathom bramble
lime lake
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ive been playing priest and leap of faith is so funny

fathom bramble
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additionally both of my examples are places where leap functioned as well

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so it doesn't really matter if hook had different rules at the time or not

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zereth mortis is also the patch where they broke grapple and made it snap

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it was very cool to constantly have shadowdoor be able to get you places that grapple would snap on

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4 years of a bug that I speculated would get fixed within a few weeks since it was so obvious to anyone even a casual player

hasty warren
honest sparrow
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At least now grapple is slower. Still a change i have no idea what the reason behind it should be

fathom bramble
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yeah that one is strange

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it's the only movement skill that isn't immediately responsive now(again)

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fast grapple is something that probably should be baseline just because of how it feels to press a movement spell and have your character not immediately respond to it

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if they wanted to nerf grapple it should have been in a different form

maiden quail
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If they added grapple as an ability for rogues on classic+ I wouldn’t be opposed, I love it that much

hasty warren
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just found this on my hdd

wut64gfi8q961.png
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think it was during sl

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yooo dreadblade

limpid isle
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RIP MfD

fathom bramble
jolly geyser
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oh its 2 daggers

arctic hollow
zinc briar
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why isn't zac streaming?

jolly geyser
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died

mighty pivot
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whispyr used KS and zac was standing in front

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(it did no damage, zac died of natural causes during the channel)

violet ferry
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How we looking now that we’re 11 (but really like 13) days out from Midnight?

fresh orchid
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Grim

vivid vessel
fresh orchid
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waiting for patch notes

mighty pivot
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why isn't zac streaming silver vayne gameplay?

vivid vessel
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hey

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im almost diamond now

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calm down

mighty pivot
random stirrup
mighty pivot
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going pro next season while waiting for outlaw buffs

lime lake
vivid vessel
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idk

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im enjoying the game

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its fun

mighty pivot
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have you been muted yet?

vivid vessel
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i just wish there was less toxicity

vivid vessel
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im honor 5 actually

mighty pivot
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why aren't you honor 5 in ravenholdt then

untold wadi
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honor 5 = model citizen obviously

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only for the most well behaved individuals

mighty pivot
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or is this server your outlet for toxicity?

viscid scaffold
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how many games did u already play in leauge?

lime lake
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he comes to this server and says all the things he wishes he could say to his jungler

vivid vessel
viscid scaffold
vivid vessel
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iuts not my first time playing the game

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it kinda is

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but not really

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like i have played it for 10 years maybe like 20 games a season you know

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like not seriously

viscid scaffold
#

i mean thats not many games

vivid vessel
#

i started last season tho

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i also did like 200 games or smth idk

viscid scaffold
#

main and main lane?

vivid vessel
#

im vayne one trick

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adc

viscid scaffold
#

eww

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and nice

#

well other way around

vivid vessel
#

wtf

#

why are you a vayne hater

viscid scaffold
#

im a adc hater

#

vayne is a hard champ imo

vivid vessel
#

wtf

#

adc hater

#

adcs are so cool

#

you are here gliding around

#

piou piou piou

viscid scaffold
#

well the role has many problems

#

and adc players cry usualy the mostdracthyr_joy2

#

but true u can get that dopamine rush

vivid vessel
#

idk i feel like its the role with the most outplay potential

#

so i like it

#

its always cool

viscid scaffold
#

idk mybe i dont know to much but to me it always seemed to be to team dependend

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if ur somewhat strong and your team doesnt care, theres many lanes/champs that will walk u down

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esp when thanos himself arrives from toplane

vivid vessel
#

ye but not vayne

viscid scaffold
#

idk if hes strong enough

#

small attack range

vivid vessel
#

sure but you can always outplay people

viscid scaffold
#

possible but limited ye

#

how often ud burn everthing you have to win a 1vs1 or somenthing

#

flash, ult

#

but then next fight u dont have it right

#

stuff that just pops u before u can react

vivid vessel
#

skill issue

viscid scaffold
#

idk i like adcs

#

they die so fast

vivid vessel
#
  • vayne is the only adc that can build tank
#

:D

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i play on hit vayne

#

so you do 3 as items

#

and then you can be full tank

random stirrup
vivid vessel
#

you will still one shot people

#

but im walking around with a randuin

viscid scaffold
#

i remember vayne tank being popular

#

dindt people figure out it was bad or smth

#

oh dantes was it

lime lake
#

tankmaw my beloved

viscid scaffold
#

he did the adc challenge

#

and would build tank on those

vivid vessel
viscid scaffold
vivid vessel
#

but like

image.png
#

once people start doing damage

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you have a lot of hp

#

and tankiness

viscid scaffold
#

idk

#

thats armor

vivid vessel
#

ye

viscid scaffold
#

and a bit of mr on the one hit item iirc

vivid vessel
#

well im aginast this

image.png
#

i just build randuin

viscid scaffold
#

that is gone with one

vivid vessel
#

and i cant die anymore

#

even with viego ultra feed

viscid scaffold
#

cant say much because i dont know exactly the builds others should run only +-

#

some people just build the most random useless stuff

#

but i think even before i saw certain pros playing randuin on certain adcs

#

on probuilds

vivid vessel
#

its rare

viscid scaffold
#

y

vivid vessel
#

and on crit adcs you fall off very quick if you dont continue building damage

viscid scaffold
#

then it was prob vayne

#

i mean theres build variations where ezreal goes ice gauntlet

vivid vessel
#

i think they did it in lec a few times

#

not vyane

viscid scaffold
#

idk a ad assain might not pop u instantly but

#

any normal midlaner should still

#

its still an adc if it were that strong ud just win by default

#

if it works it works peepoguns

#

how much hp did u run around with? i one trick akali and wonder if ud still die in one combo with like 3 items

vivid vessel
vivid vessel
#

if ap feed i can always build anti ap items also

regal saffron
#

I see all red

viscid scaffold
#

yeah but at some point ur just running with defensive items

vivid vessel
viscid scaffold
#

dont think it has no drawbacks

vivid vessel
#

i mean

#

i would still kill you in like 4 autos tho

mighty pivot
#

which vayne skin are you using zac

vivid vessel
#

this one

image.png
viscid scaffold
#

thats the dragon somenthing one

lime lake
#

sentinel vayne op

viscid scaffold
#

no?

vivid vessel
#

sentinel ye

hasty warren
viscid scaffold
vivid vessel
#

yes

viscid scaffold
#

lets see what probuilds says

vivid vessel
#

i mean i didnt say it was strong

#

its pretty good

#

its one of the vayne build

#

the more popular is crit vayne

#

but i dont like it

#

specifically cause of that

#

when the game gets hard you cant build def

viscid scaffold
#

its def good against assasins id say

#

i mean the one hit build

#

can also go wits end and stuff no?

#

tough adc to play regardles

#

laning phase is prob still the horror

vivid vessel
vivid vessel
viscid scaffold
#

are u soloing or do u have a pocket support?

dark steeple
#

damn we a league channel now

vivid vessel
vivid vessel
#

i like botlane

#

i think its the most mechanical lane

#

cause 2 people

#

and you are perma fightingh

viscid scaffold
#

possibly i wouldnt know - botlane always felt way diffrent if the support had hands

#

if he didnt, even winning matchups felt terrible to play

#

but i think most people believe adc to be the most mechanical

#

makes kinda sense

viscid scaffold
keen belfry
#

i jsut got ran over by a yi top

#

as gp

pure folio
keen belfry
#

ye

#

i think ihe dove me like 9 times?

covert kestrel
mighty pivot
#

ap yi in aram Okay

viscid scaffold
#

dracthyr_joy2 \

glass mortar
#

relatable

#

me when i go 4/0 in lane as adc but my support decides hes the jungles support post 20 minutes and the enemy 1/5 toplane runs me over the rest of the game

#

🥹

viscid scaffold
#

have fun with getting 2cs/min

viscid scaffold
glass mortar
#

dont think shes particularly good rn but i have played her

#

idk i havent played much league this season

#

not even placed in ranked yet

mossy herald
#

Ppl spam varus top atm

viscid scaffold
#

had to do a slight curve at zac

glass mortar
#

oh right i saw u guys yappin in here

viscid scaffold
#

i mean its great if u

#

can play

glass mortar
#

i almost joined but i realized my day was going too well to be ragebaited by zac about a game he doesnt even care about

viscid scaffold
#

but man getting punished by just misstepping a bit is

glass mortar
#

im only top when i get autofilled so my champ pool up there is pretty smol

#

think the last time i was top i played my GOAT gnar

viscid scaffold
#

all these adc players

#

ngl

glass mortar
#

tbh i get jungle more often

#

i was a jungle main a few seasons but swapped to adc/jung last season

viscid scaffold
#

there is no better feeling than killing an adc player in one combo garf_sit

glass mortar
#

still get jung most my games tho

#

😠

#

jungles the most exhausting role to me tbh, as adc if i do meh, i dont feed or particularly play bad but i dont carry or do amazing nobody pays any attention to me

#

as jungle if i have a meh game its my fault all 3 lanes lost

#

perma flame

viscid scaffold
#

i cant stand jungle

#

i tried every role

#

and jungle is right there after adc

glass mortar
#

i like the jungle champs

#

the role is w/e

viscid scaffold
#

as soon as one lane hard looses and one is doing bad half my jungle is just gone

glass mortar
#

oh yea

#

and its ur fault

viscid scaffold
#

u just lost permission to your camps

#

i mean why didnt u gank the 0:4 toplane

glass mortar
#

getting invaded by the enemy top laner at ur blue with enemy jungle (who hasnt ganked once all game and is power farming)?

#

ur fault

viscid scaffold
#

the darius is not going to 2vs1 surely

glass mortar
#

xd

#

many such cases

viscid scaffold
#

terrible role

#

but much impact

#

thats why we play mid

#

u are losing? just gank the botlane who isnt looking at minimap anyway

vivid vessel
#

i like bot also cause i feel like it has the most impact on the map

#

bot is always there for drakes etc

#

everyuthing happens around bot

#

when you lose a game its always cause your bot got gapped

#

no cappa

viscid scaffold
#

idk

#

at what level do people actualy play around bot

#

i always felt if im doing decent their team abandones their adc anyway even if fed

#

even if you are 6:0 u are still squishy and die quick

vivid vessel
#

i mean iodk

#

drakes are bot

#

so

glass mortar
#

enemy adc is best character to be fed

#

as long as they arent duo with sup

#

their team will ditch them at some point and 12/0 adc dies to every other character in the game except enemy adc

viscid scaffold
#

thats what i think too

vivid vessel
#

unless you play vayne

#

:D

viscid scaffold
#

adc were so easy to deal with

vivid vessel
#

self sufficent adc

#

:D

glass mortar
#

vayne dies too if they arent stupid or ur not at 50 minutes

#

but sure at some point vayne becomes a 1v1 monster

vivid vessel
#

i mean vayne can 1v1 basically any champ in the game

#

and if you are alone its your fault

glass mortar
#

not always but often yes

#

my best success as adc has always been pretending im the support and just following them around the map past 20 minutes

#

or earlier if they decide to ditch lane at 10 minutes as so often happens in emerald

#

even if ur even in lane

vivid vessel
#

ping them to follow you

glass mortar
#

the bored support brain

#

thats so cute zac

#

u must have such friendly players in ur game

#

🥰

#

i hope u have lots of fun in ur league queues

lime lake
#

adc pinging support never ends badly

vivid vessel
#

lol

#

i had a soraka

#

sucide in lane

#

so i pinged her

#

from then on she refused to heal me

#

never pressed r for me

#

never healed me

#

we won tho

lament locust
#

yo zac can i steal your ui again or is it cancer to export/import

vivid vessel
#

for now its not possible

lament locust
#

now that WA gone

#

sadge

#

what addons do you use

glass mortar
#

the waiting room for zac to make and share a ui addon

#

also wangbar

#

!wa

ornate heathBOT
jolly geyser
#

all this shit talk and zac still playing rogue or?

glass mortar
#

i dont think hes playing at all rn now cuh but what else would he play

#

hes addicted to this game and most of the other specs got done as bad or worse then law

opal saffron
#

Is it just me or is Outlaw single target damage kind of bad?

glass mortar
#

on prepatch its pretty bad

#

also on beta but we wait for tuning

opal saffron
#

I was running some mythic+ with my friends who are all around my ilvl give or take a few (ilvl 131 is what i am, my friends were about ilvl 134, 137) and I was just really dragging behind

glass mortar
#

yea outlaw is pretty shitty on prepatch

proven ocean
glass mortar
#

they dont care

opal saffron
#

In group pulls i was fine, like Halls of Atonement with big pulls, but single target I was almost lower than the Paladin tank

#

Although I kind of want a UI guru to help me fix my UI, which I think is part of my problem

#

Or i need to retrain how I play. I spend a lot of time looking at my bars and combo points instead of on the fight itself

lethal oak
#

Strap in and get ready

jolly geyser
#

and I will say "play something else"

#

since they cant make rogues be decent ig

glass mortar
#

there wasnt any spec like outlaw in the game tbf

#

if u really loved cracklaw nothing else hit those notes

#

some things closer to midnight outlaw tho

jolly geyser
#

if you play a game for one spec you are in the wrong game

lethal oak
#

Im here for Zac having to play assa in prog, bookmark it

mighty pivot
#

@gaunt phoenix post cat

marsh raft
#

What does 'Pandemic' mean here? I can't find this buff or talent

image.png
fluid iron
#

pandemic is just a term used for clipping durations

marsh raft
#

okay... I think I get it then

#

thanks!

honest sparrow
#

Also new Rtb doesnt pandemic anymore or did they change that in the last weeks?

marsh raft
#

...I have no idea, im just trying to learn from this guide on icy veins site?

opal saffron
#

Where should I post for UI help?

vivid vessel
#

like every other season

proven ocean
#

ok

#

?

vivid vessel
#

hwat dhehelly

#

ban

#

!ban @proven ocean

gaunt phoenix
#

with rtb, you press it, then if you are at stage 2 or higher, you just keep your buff until it runs out

brisk crypt
#

I need an outlaw mog man, why is mogging so hard lol

gaunt phoenix
#

but if you are at stage 1 you want to reroll

#

in the opener, because of the loaded dice talent, you are guaranteed at least stage 2 anyway

proven ocean
#

Poor car

brisk crypt
#

Okay someone please help me

#

Dracthyr that arent evokers

#

they can fight in their human form right?

mild tide
#

Yes

#

In the character screen you only see the dracthyr form. But ingame you can choose in which form you want to play.

hasty fable
#

Airborne Irritant seems to still be putting AoE on Blind, despite it not being mentioned in the tooltip anymore.

wintry solar
#

Shh

hasty fable
#

KAY

frail veldt
#

nvm I kept reading

frail veldt
covert kestrel
marsh raft
frail veldt
#

frontier called it

marsh raft
#

is there somewhere else I ought to be looking?

frail veldt
#

its usually the truest source of all things outlaw(for pve)

#

wowhead guide also works too its from one of the community figures here

#

I think the icy veins guide might also be from someone here but its usually less reliable in my experience(noah fence to whoever writes it)

marsh raft
#

ok thanks

inland acorn
#

But ye, reliability for outlaw is #outlaw-faq > Wowhead >> IcyVeins. The quality is just sometimes leaking like, this is just brief look

lOxJJAFgVp.png
glass mortar
#

how u think ud end up with 39s buffs u had to wait to use kir on

frail veldt
#

ye ofc

#

I knew that much

glass mortar
#

wouldnt make sense with current one ig

#

make AR pandemic when

#

(now that it doesnt matter)

frail veldt
#

I mean honestly if they coded it in a more jank way it could have ended upt hat way

#

where it only pandemics

glass mortar
#

would let us use prep more efficiently

frail veldt
#

if its the same stage

#

that would have been hilarious

indigo token
#

lowkirkenuinely they might be cooking

inland acorn
glass mortar
#

man i forgot how good bethesda games r

#

level 8 exploring a city thats a 5 minute walk away from the starting city in fallout 4

#

oh hello mr raider in power armor with a fat man

strange kelp
glass mortar
#

LMAO to be fair iirc deathclaws r pretty reasonable to fight in f4

#

similar to f3

#

new vegas now....

keen belfry
#

i should play new vegas again

glass mortar
#

you find a death claw before u got some good gear and levels time to find another save to reload to blud

#

im more annoyed he was in the path for the quest i was on and he would use his fat man regardless of if i got into melee or shot from afar

#

its very difficult to live a fat man when ur level 9

#

i had to use dogmeat as bait then go in while he reloaded

random stirrup
glass mortar
#

LISTEN i stimmed him and he was fine

#

hes built dif

#

if that hits me i turn into a red stain on the ground

indigo token
#

would you smash a deathclaw

glass mortar
#

like with a hammer?

#

... like with a hammer right?

indigo token
#

bro doesnt know

random stirrup
glass mortar
random geyser
#

we using any macros?

frail veldt
#

nope not really

#

tricks of the trade macro thats it

vivid vessel
#

in 2026

lime lake
#

imagine using a website named after a spell that dont even exist

lapis ledge
#

installing wow again after some time

#

there is no more weakauras right?

#

dafuq is cooldown manager

#

and dafuq is better cooldown manager even

glass mortar
#

cooldown manager is blizzards way to track ur stuff

#

better cooldown manager is an addon to make it not suck dog ass ass ass poopoo

lapis ledge
#

shieeeeed

#

they took ma weakauras

#

better blizz frames

#

better blizz plates

#

looks like blizz is doing blizz level work

covert kestrel
mystic berry
#

I miss my airhorns

warped spruce
mystic berry
#

And clown noises

keen belfry
#

you can download bettercooldownmanager and just use its default

bright crane
#

hey guys

#

we amped for midnight?

covert kestrel
bright crane
#

😎

cinder relic
real mauve
#

is outlaw omega troll for prog you reckon? dont think i have it in me for another sub tier

fathom bramble
#

it's unlikely to me omega troll as it is usually at least decent

covert kestrel
#

Can't be worse than this tier Yea

fathom bramble
#

depending on your guild and goals it might be just out of reach though

cinder relic
#

Its usually slightly worse, or lowkey better but not appriciated

fathom bramble
#

as it's very rarely the best rogue spec

#

we still have the kinds of flaws that tend to keep outlaw down so I wouldn't expect it to do anything great unless tuning goes very strangely

cinder relic
#

Its had a few tiers where its equal, and also where its better

#

last tier was a real abnormality

#

It was just correct in vault, and castle nathria

#

Haters don't want to admit it, but it was true

fathom bramble
#

yeah it's had a couple times where it was in contention for best rogue spec

#

but not a clear winner like sub often is

#

it was probably better in vault(imo, not biased at all)

real mauve
#

guess another tier watching outlaw have the fun

wintry solar
#

And play that off as a serious argument

hasty warren
#

I guess if it's not for CE in a month you can play anything you want.

#

Just it can be painful like last tier. I had no fun playing raid as ol.

wintry solar
#

S2 is about as much fun as I could have with that Outlaw

fathom bramble
#

this tier was definitely uniquely bad for raid

#

it was definitely pretty demotivating to be so bad in the final parts of prog while knowing blizzard was almost guaranteed not to buff you in any meaningful way

wintry solar
#

I swear there was like what

#

4 tuning passes the entire season?

#

I only remember 3 so 4 is me being generous

lime lake
#

at least blizzard clarified that its ok because you could just play one of the other specs

fathom bramble
#

true

glass mortar
#

didnt expect it to be a fated season on a real season

fathom bramble
#

I wish blizzard would do more proactive small buffs

stuck sparrow
#

I guess broodkeeper was not great if you were on boss.

fathom bramble
#

putting an outlaw on boss is probably a raidleader issue to be fair

stuck sparrow
#

For sure

#

but those are the only two scenarios i can really think sub was better that tier

fathom bramble
#

which did actually come up since so many comps that killed it early put rogues on boss

wintry solar
#

Such a shame last season was that bad. Dimmy was so fun on literally any other spec than outlaw

stuck sparrow
#

Idk dimmy got progressively more annoying as the tier dragged on.

fathom bramble
#

I had more fun playing outlaw on dim than sub on dim in spite of the performance the spec puts up

stuck sparrow
#

aura buffs cooking timers

fathom bramble
#

sub on that fight is just not enjoyable

#

use CDs at the same spot every pull and then go more or less afk

stuck sparrow
#

yeah it was the most scripted shit

#

up there with azshara for scripted plays imo

fathom bramble
#

I know it's not the opinion of every rogue player ofc, but man I just can't enjoy the 85% scripted gameplay

wintry solar
#

Well i enjoyed dimmy all season

stuck sparrow
#

it just got more annoying to me as the tier went on

#

and you stopped being able to send cds on every platform

wintry solar
glass mortar
#

its just so crazy the only season outlaw was decently tuned this expac we were hardlocked to killingurself spree

#

wild expac tbh

#

not in the most positive way either

fathom bramble
#

KS in goblin tier was wild

#

we were actually kinda good that raid on 6 of the 8 bosses

glass mortar
#

yup

fathom bramble
#

KS just weighed so heavily on the spec

craggy barn
#

yea

glass mortar
#

never shoulda been allowed

fathom bramble
#

and then they gutted trickster for some reason with the rework on KS

glass mortar
#

good devs woulda just kept fatebound stronger

stuck sparrow
#

who has the killing spree clip

glass mortar
#

idk what they were thinking

fathom bramble
#

and left us as weird 0 cleave junk

stuck sparrow
#

where he gets reverse polarity'ed

#

and yeets half the raid

glass mortar
#

they fix kspree to not threaten to kill you (its still garbage tho) and THEN they tune the other hero talent to be playable/better in raid

#

good stuff guys pack it in for midnight

stuck sparrow
#

It would be crazy if they made reworked killing spree good

fathom bramble
#

at least they mostly fixed trickster/fatebound cleave discrepancy for midnight

stuck sparrow
#

and gave it to another class

#

oh wait-

fathom bramble
#

they gave feral a good version of KS too

glass mortar
#

i guess ive given up on the cope that kspree didnt get iterated on for ANY of our forum feedback because they ran out of time since it was a mid expac thing tho

wintry solar
#

I'm honestly surprised sub didn't get the good ks

glass mortar
#

since the only thing they did in midnight is take more damage away from it

wintry solar
#

Considering they steal everything else

glass mortar
#

prob just going to have this dogshit kspree for the next 4 years

fathom bramble
#

they have the good KS

stuck sparrow
#

idk according to the big brains

fathom bramble
#

it's called secret technique

stuck sparrow
#

sub is fury warrior with 90s cds

wintry solar
glass mortar
#

s2 was so fun too like

fathom bramble
#

it's mechanically what many people ask for KS to be

#

not thematically though for sure

glass mortar
#

if s2 law didnt have kspree i woulda called it the best season of outlaw ive played

#

peak crackshot, tons of buffs, very highly tuned

wintry solar
#

Best tier bonus

stuck sparrow
#

peak crackshot

#

weird way to write amirdrassil

wintry solar
#

Huge 5 buff rolls

glass mortar
#

amirdrassil had subterfuge bug, bte bugs

fathom bramble
#

I wonder how well the tier would have been received if the ho version of trickster wasn't discovered a couple weeks in

glass mortar
#

and we still had dance?

fathom bramble
#

a lot of people were still on fatebound before that

glass mortar
#

midnight crackshot was better

#

im not just talking about tuning

stuck sparrow
#

well subter bug didnt exist in raid

glass mortar
#

s3 was obviously the best we've ever been tuned

wintry solar
#

S2 was absolutely peak crackshot gameplay

glass mortar
#

s3 df

wintry solar
#

No contest

craggy barn
#

look they fixed the bf bug in season 2 and let us have a bit of time feeling good

#

it was only a matter of time for us to be gutted

#

they cant have us too good

#

the sins of bfa

#

keeping us down

wintry solar
#

I'm not even talking tuning. The spec was just fun

fathom bramble
#

"only a matter of time"

#

one half of a tier

#

👍

craggy barn
#

exactly lol

glass mortar
#

OUTLAW!!

#

could be worse

craggy barn
#

could be arms

glass mortar
#

u could get nerfed w1 as usual and then buffed to compensate 2 weeks later

#

surely the devs would never be that silly tho

stuck sparrow
#

df launch outlaw

wintry solar
stuck sparrow
#

before blizz decided to nerf the spec every week

#

for the funny

glass mortar
#

surely they have some kinda calculator or base of knowledge on how specs have scaled for the last 10 years

stuck sparrow
#

i dont get combat andys

#

you pressed sinister strike

#

then evis

#

that was the entire gameplay

glass mortar
#

its rose colored glasses

fathom bramble
#

but you had like 2 killing spree conditions to follow

#

and revealing strike

glass mortar
#

legion was a reimagining and rtb but the core was built off combats base and just improved

stuck sparrow
#

yeah exactly

glass mortar
#

SS procs giving a better builder in addition to their bonus CP

stuck sparrow
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besides rtb having kinks needed to be worked out

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outlaw was just combat improved

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the 6 buff on wipe special

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by the time of SL sinister doublehits were more infuriating rng