#outlaw

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grave rose
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I really like the new outlaw

fathom bramble
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there are some exceptions where 2 specific modifers are additive with eachother as well just because of how the effect is implemented

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mages get 3% additional intellect from arcane intellect

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but it's added just by increasing the arcane int modifier

arctic merlin
fathom bramble
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yeah

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since reductions function basically as an opposite of increases you get the opposite effect on reduced damage taken that we see on increased damage dealt

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this means the more vers you have the more effective it becomes at further reducing damage

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relative to other stats

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it's the same effect just upside down

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in a sense

glass mortar
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we arent talking about the kinda DR u guys are thinking

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its just the nature of a multiplier having additive value with itself

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moving from 110-120 damage is not a 10% dps increase even tho u gained 10% vers because your base damage pool is higher

random stirrup
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yes but vers's damage reduction doesn't suffer from that

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is their point

fathom bramble
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well vers does 'suffer' from it

random stirrup
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positively

fathom bramble
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it's the same thing it just works in players favor in that direction

random stirrup
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ye

fathom bramble
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going from 100 incoming damage to 90 is less valuable than going from 50 to 40

glass mortar
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its kinda a moot point since for us there isnt exactly competative stats for DR

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maybe a relevant thing for tanks tho ye

vivid vessel
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moot?

fathom bramble
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yeah that is a guardian article so yeah it's all about incoming damage

vivid vessel
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i think that guy got permaed bro

glass mortar
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its just always funny trying to explain to poor outlaw players why when evoker gives like 15% vers its better for basically every class in the game then us because we had 40% stacked already

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at least thats no longer the case since you will probably have fuckall vers until s2 or s3

fathom bramble
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the fact that baseline vers was worse for us than every other spec in the game is quite funny to me

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since we got 3% for free to start out with

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*some other specs might also start with free vers idk

glass mortar
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druids

fathom bramble
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yeah they have like

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mark of the wild is twice as strong

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or something now

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idk if they had it before

covert kestrel
frail veldt
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eh moot wont be missed

peak dock
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Small question, is the 1 hour tricks hero talent broken or some stuff?

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I get the 1 hour buff but the tank loses the buff after Tricks effect end (20 secs or something)

frail veldt
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then its working

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the tank doesnt get a buff

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its only on you

peak dock
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Tank used to get a buff before prepatch

frail veldt
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no

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even before prepatch tank could die

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respawn

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and threat would still go to him

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buff is on the rogue

peak dock
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Ok thank you

frail veldt
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yw ❤️

arctic merlin
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wait so i don't need to keep reapplying trick?

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just put it on once at the start and that's it?

gaunt phoenix
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Only if you die. It will last through the tank dying

arctic merlin
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ah thanks

cinder relic
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And for not trickster u kinda just use it before every pack

gaunt phoenix
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Can create weird situations where if the tank dies and releases, the mobs will take off towards him

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even if he's lightyears away

arctic merlin
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and he wouldn't even know

glass mortar
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tbh if tanks new how to play around it u could avoid alot of wipes

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ive kept pretty absurd pulls alive in some dungeons because theres a clear path for the mobs to get back to the entrance without pulling more and u just all run back to the tank while killing them

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very funny

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most tanks have no clue tho so if they die with no brez they just fukin sit on the floor waiting for a wipe for some reason, or spawn at the entrance and lollygag

random stirrup
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pull a singular pack in brew room in cinderbrew, tank dies, entire dungeon gets socialed and comes running

glass mortar
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well yea in those situations u just cancel tricks

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but thankfully u can do that

frail veldt
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Very fun

frail veldt
edgy crag
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I wonder how outlaw is gonna feel once midnight raids come out. Any clue/insight how PTR or how prepatch feels right now?

cinder relic
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What do u mean by feel

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Performance or like, actual gameplay

frail veldt
buoyant cosmos
untold wadi
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!wangbar

ornate heathBOT
covert kestrel
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!wangbar

glass mortar
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!wangawangangangangangbar

untold wadi
covert kestrel
glass mortar
keen belfry
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when is the build that saves outlaw

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1am xpac?

round spindle
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Can anyone recommend a good addon for cursor visibility?

tender wedge
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Wildutools has this

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And some other stuff

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Someone else was advertising theirs on the wow subreddit today too

untold wadi
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its not an addon though

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cannot live without it, esp in wow

frail veldt
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I use WA for it still

vapid sundial
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Does that wa still work

normal forge
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I wish they could make AR increase RTB one pont further. So I always get level 3 rtb if talented with seight

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Make it more impactful

unkempt dew
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What is the rule with KiR? We use it on stage 2 and above?

hasty warren
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Hi pirates

jolly geyser
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Heya

glass mortar
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unless you have loaded dice/know your next RtB will have loaded dice

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then you'd only use it on 3+ or wait to roll again with loaded dice

wintry solar
uncut crown
balmy grove
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I have a question... if I roll stage 2 or higher, I activate "Keep it Rolling," right? When do I activate "Roll the Bones" again? At what remaining duration? I don't always put "Roll the Bones" on cooldown, since I could go back down to stage 1 from stage 2, right?

gaunt phoenix
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You dont keep it on cooldown, because you could get stage 1 yet

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If you stage 2 or more then you keep your current stage as long as you can

hasty warren
rancid silo
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!bugs

ornate heathBOT
rancid silo
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is this thing updated

gaunt phoenix
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idk we dont have bugs

wintry solar
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Uhm

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Wtf you mean there are no bugs in my buglaw?

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Bugs are a feature

rancid silo
stuck lance
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!fuu

ornate heathBOT
vivid vessel
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guys

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is outlaw saved

faint pendant
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I don't think they added crackshot back

rancid silo
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It kinda feels like combat rogue

wintry solar
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Did you play combat?

rancid silo
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yea

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well which verison im talking about classic wow

patent mirage
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nowhere close to combat

rancid silo
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Why not

patent mirage
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nothing common with combat tbh what are you even saying

lone spear
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combat dn

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ha gottem

rancid silo
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idk man im kinda just blasting with auto attacks

glass mortar
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i mean its slower and more boring

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so its similar to combat in that way

patent mirage
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because you press ss 5 times to evis?

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slower by a small margin

glass mortar
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slower then what it was i mean

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not slower then combat

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combat was the fastest rogue spec back in the day but a majority of specs in the game were much slower back then so like

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a fast spec would be approaching 60 apm

lone spear
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after playing mop classic combat this tier

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nothing in wow faster than that in CD

rancid silo
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I forgot combat was still combat in that area

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i was talkin bout vanilla in my case atleast

patent mirage
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vanilla yes

rancid silo
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Obviously its not exactly the same im just sayin, it feels somewhat similar

glass mortar
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oh you mean in mop nothing faster then it in cd

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i mean sure its the same as live theres almost no specs as fast as outlaw during AR because you have the same gcd as a normal spec with 95% haste

gaunt phoenix
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the word c*mbat is forbidden

rancid silo
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😭

patent mirage
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people that drool over combat must have never played it tbh

rancid silo
glass mortar
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no they are just remembering it the normal way people remember things

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comparing it to the alternatives of the time

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and compared to the other rogue specs/many other specs in the game combat was "fast" feeling at the time

rancid silo
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Is HO dead

patent mirage
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pink tint glasses we get it

glass mortar
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mine are turquoise

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😎

gaunt phoenix
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yeah, audacity needs to make ambush cheaper

glass mortar
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audacity should just be part of HO

keen belfry
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do youi guys think next week they save outlaw with a new buiid

glass mortar
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or just nix HO and go back to the drawing board

keen belfry
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build!

rancid silo
gaunt phoenix
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overall yeah

rancid silo
gaunt phoenix
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only 2 capstones are doing work

keen belfry
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our capstones are very weird and weak, i mean our talents are just weird right? is loaded dice our strongest talent??

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besides like

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AR

rancid silo
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our melee just be doing so much dam

keen belfry
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loaded dice is abanger tho

glass mortar
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honestly the numbers of capstones arent even the biggest concern. they should be stronger, maybe even twice as strong

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i care more about the gameplay they give tho

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or dont give anyway

keen belfry
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still waiting on BTE charges

glass mortar
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ill take ace letting me chain btes again first tbh

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give me both

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but holy fuk give me some procs back

keen belfry
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fast action will turn into bte charges next

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but yes ace should just be 5cp

gaunt phoenix
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it seems the strongest 1 talent point is technically the first point in FTH

keen belfry
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ah yeah

gaunt phoenix
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loaded dice, fatal flourish, and the second FTH are similar

keen belfry
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are they >10%

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i have no guess on their power

gaunt phoenix
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8-11

buoyant stratus
gaunt phoenix
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in this rando profile

keen belfry
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seems chill on god

glass mortar
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ur chill

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😠

keen belfry
buoyant stratus
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Idk doesnt seem release candidate ready to me

rancid silo
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the melee talents seem like they should be capstones over the ones rn

buoyant stratus
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Surely something...

glass mortar
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wang ur bar is rogue only rn right

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ive been shilling it to my wow friends but they wanted to find a bar for feral

keen belfry
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it works for feral rn

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and monk

glass mortar
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oooooooo

keen belfry
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if i merge zomb's pr it has most classes i think

glass mortar
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ive gotta say, this prepatch has killed any desire i even had to try out alts because of having to setup a new dogshit ui on every single alt i play

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and using the blizzard stuff just makes me mad

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wait for people to make their own profiles angle ig

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ur bar is nice tho

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its everything else i hate

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😠

gaunt phoenix
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ah, devious stratagem is ~10% and ruthlessness is ~14%, almost the winner

keen belfry
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ruthlesness oh yeah banger talent no cap

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that and ld are banger

gaunt phoenix
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though if you start plucking multiple talents out then fatal flourish takes over

glass mortar
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without ruthlessness you would almost never be able to 1 builder finisher hmm

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way less often anyway it makes sense, wouldnt surprise me if its one of our highest CP generators

buoyant stratus
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Solo what would i drop soh for in the no find an opening setup on beta? Just 1x heavy hitter?

keen belfry
gaunt phoenix
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Yeah

buoyant stratus
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Im not very sold on slight of hand

glass mortar
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do it for the community

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we all need to log sleight logs we can figure out exactly what the fuk its doing

keen belfry
buoyant stratus
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I mean yea i did have 4 jackpots in a row

keen belfry
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if tthe fun is gone from the rotation, embrace gamba and run 2 ace + sleight

keen belfry
buoyant stratus
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Simply roll bettwr without it awang

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Are u not based luckpilled?

gaunt phoenix
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at least it merely competes with 10% builder damage

keen belfry
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solo wont endorse 2 ace but thats because he hasnt pressed BTE 4 times in a row on beta

buoyant stratus
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Do u even bte at 5 tho seems bleh

gaunt phoenix
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You dont

glass mortar
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u can end at 6 if ruthless reset u to 2

keen belfry
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no but with ace + gravedigger u can end at 6+

gaunt phoenix
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have to get the lucky 6

glass mortar
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its rare tho

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i cant imagine getting 4 in a row

buoyant stratus
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Ah just get lucky

glass mortar
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i think ive had it happen twice since prepatch

keen belfry
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its what 50% chance to end at 6?

buoyant stratus
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True luckmaxxing

gaunt phoenix
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20-40%, depending if you finish at 6 or 7

keen belfry
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or 40% to end at 6 if u 7 combo point BTE

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yeah

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and with apex u will bte at 7

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2nd bte

glass mortar
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sometimes

keen belfry
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nuh uh

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gravedigger gets u to 7

glass mortar
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yeh huh

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gravedigger is not procced for every single bte cd

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or it wasnt last time i played beta months ago

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did they buff it alot or something

keen belfry
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"and with apex u will bte at 7"

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!

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its banger u can go bte bte bte

glass mortar
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but u always have the apex talented 😠 and u will not always get its proc

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shuld be 100% chance

keen belfry
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its like a 1/3rd of old crackshot!

vivid vessel
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guys

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why so much yapping

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whats happening

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did we get outlaw updates

keen belfry
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yeah huge ones

buoyant stratus
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Yeah

glass mortar
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the bte capstone would be a good place to put an ace chain buffer tbh

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since the talent is already so weak

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make it so it reduces bte cd and makes bte give 1 cp on cast

keen belfry
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would already be so much more fun if it just let u pressed 3 btes back to back instgead of 2

glass mortar
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"BtE casts on targets under 40% hp refund 1 combo point"

buoyant stratus
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Too consistent, how about we gamba max that and make it a 4% per cp spent

keen belfry
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make it feel like a chain not a combo

patent mirage
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or it could be chained to ps hits

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like your ps crits reduce bte cd by smth

buoyant stratus
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Wait wait i got it, "For every envenom you cast last key you gain a 0.1% chance to refund 1cp on bte casts on tuesdays, for every black powdah you cast you gain a 0.1% chance to reset bte cooldown"

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Thoughts team????

opal saffron
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When you get a between the eyes reset do you want to build back up to max (7?) Combo points or do you just send it back to back?

buoyant stratus
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Go 6-7

gaunt phoenix
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you have to build to 6

opal saffron
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Oh damn ive been doing it wrong

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Although, weirdly, when I wasn't using a wowhead build and I was using my own build where I picked my own talents when leveling for some reason the between the eyes resets used to fill out combo points

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But maybe thats some talent the meta builds dont take because it isnt worth it or something

gaunt phoenix
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yeah, it's 2 points in Ace

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it's not worth it

vivid vessel
opal saffron
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Gotcha

gaunt phoenix
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2 points in ace also still puts you at 5cps most of the time

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but you still would want to bte at 6

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so then you have to build anyway

opal saffron
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Do we not go deeper strategem?

gaunt phoenix
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you do

buoyant stratus
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Always

opal saffron
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I think i have 7 max points

gaunt phoenix
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yes, you finish at 6 or 7

buoyant stratus
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Ye that is correct

gaunt phoenix
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you dont press a builder at 6, or you would overcap a lot

glass mortar
vivid vessel
opal saffron
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Oh I think I have been over capping my combo points a lot

vivid vessel
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no cap !

opal saffron
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Turns out ive been doing it all wrong

vivid vessel
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wtf is this guy talking about

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mods ban him

opal saffron
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Idk

glass mortar
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idk zac ur european what language is that

buoyant stratus
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Wait wait hes cooking

vivid vessel
glass mortar
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my initial thought was german but i feel like there isnt long enough words

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oh shit i was right

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!!!!

buoyant stratus
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...impact is typing

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Lwt him work!!!

glass mortar
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listen im an american i am language blind

gaunt phoenix
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@velvet blade spam?

vivid vessel
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buddy

gaunt phoenix
buoyant stratus
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That looked like someone had the discord open on their phone in their pocket and gboarded us

vivid vessel
buoyant stratus
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AI waterboarding

vivid vessel
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look he is also talkig to himself

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wtf he left

buoyant stratus
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Well what did he have to say

vivid vessel
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i think his phone was in his pocket

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i was hearing german talking

buoyant stratus
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Ye for sure lmfao

glass mortar
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butt dialed outlaw discord

opal saffron
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So we got butt dialed but for discord?

buoyant stratus
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Hate it when i do that!

opal saffron
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Is Fatebound any good?

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The coin flipping one?

gaunt phoenix
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not in prepatch

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its good at level 90

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entirely passive but more energy and cps when we need it

opal saffron
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Oh ok cool

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Thanks

proven ocean
vivid vessel
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hi rossi

proven ocean
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Hi zaccy 💅

vivid vessel
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uwu

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slay

proven ocean
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omegalul wtf

glass mortar
proven ocean
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@vivid vessel Zerossthinking

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Moot got banned?

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Or

glass mortar
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wasnt that like

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a long time ago

proven ocean
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That was just a week mute no?

glass mortar
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idk i wasnt there when it happened

past falcon
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i thought it was just a mute

glass mortar
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oh wait im thinking of the wrong yapper

patent mirage
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It's the skynet

glass mortar
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moot was the one ragebaiting in outlaw midnight 24/7 right

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was just a mute initially yea

proven ocean
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Wait so who’s the worst chatter in ravenholdt now that moot is gone then?

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Or is there none

glass mortar
gaunt phoenix
proven ocean
past falcon
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LMAO

proven ocean
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WAIT DO U MEAN ITS ME OR WHAT

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weran??

glass mortar
proven ocean
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..

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Its fine i’ll show u when u come back to bed

glass mortar
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theres none ross we r all such friends in here now

proven ocean
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Wait im not supposed to say thT

glass mortar
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🥰

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all gunna get along forevermore

hearty lagoon
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you guys know any rogues with some nice UI i can snatch ?

glass mortar
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wtf this guy wants to steal a UI

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ur in the right discord thats for sure

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😎

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i dont think we have any full UI sharing type stuff currently tho

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!wangbar

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!wang

proven ocean
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!weraniskindastupid

glass mortar
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!awangangangangbar

hearty lagoon
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!awang

glass mortar
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!wa

ornate heathBOT
proven ocean
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!gnawa

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GNAWA WORKS

proven ocean
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Try it

glass mortar
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these are the things we currently have recommended but no full ui type stuff

proven ocean
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Magnus carilsen typing

hearty lagoon
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Theres no nice like BCDM profile ?
or arc profile ?

proven ocean
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Yooo ur th chess guy no?

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Crazy or

hearty lagoon
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i wish

glass mortar
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hmm not recommended yet that im aware of no

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im sure some people will share some eventually but most of our big gamers are hibernating on prepatch

proven ocean
glass mortar
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hi thats me, i'm weran

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😠

hearty lagoon
proven ocean
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I’m retired

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My glory days as a rogue are gone

hearty lagoon
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SHIT IM COOKED

proven ocean
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I kinda miss wow because of how much time i invested into being so good at it

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But im now investing my time into osrs

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Planning to do crazy stuff in there aswell

ionic citrus
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My brother is saying they increase the m+ dificulty from this week's reset.

Is this true? I've been looking for a blue post about this but can't find shit.

lethal oak
sick prawn
copper radish
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Two Thursday’s from now and we leveling up boys

jolly geyser
covert kestrel
proven ocean
proven ocean
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Will prob go for x10 or 12

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Might be rough since im doing them at vard

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Not a noob awakened boss

cinder haven
lethal oak
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Its like playing wow where outlaw is the best designed spec with op damage

cinder relic
cinder haven
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Idle game eww

glass mortar
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i mean

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the boss fights and endgame pvm is not even remotely idle

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ur apm is higher then probably any wow spec, but you arent activating a bunch of abilities

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its all about precise clicking

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it def has content with a pretty high skill ceiling/requirement but that is not a majority of the game nor even really the focus of the game

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but its there, and its pretty good

cinder haven
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Precise clicking sounds a bit weird

glass mortar
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its a very different kind of game then wow or most other mmorpgs for sure

cinder haven
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Idle game though in what way? Like Eve online?

glass mortar
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idle game in that for some skill training theres semi afk ways to train it

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usually with lower xp rates then actively training

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altho theres more of that in rs3 then osrs tbh alot of osrs skilling seems pretty active

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also runescape quests are bangers

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like half of my old wow friends left wow and are playing osrs now lul

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ive been tempted to get back into it, i just watch it currently

cinder haven
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Sounds worth trying

glass mortar
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u'll probably pretty quickly figure out if it interests u at all or not so, not a huge waste of 12 dollars for 1 month of membership to try it out if u wanna

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id defenitly recommend but i should stress it is very different then ff14 or wow or anything like that

civic meadow
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if you like doing 16 different quests to complete a single quest you’ll love it

glass mortar
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if u want an example of what "hard" content at the endgame looks like u can ping ross, im sure hes willing to DM you one of his boss kills

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he sends me discord vods of them in dms

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they r pretty sweaty

glass anvil
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does anyone know if it's possible to macro a nochanneling type thingy into my abilities to avoid cancelling killing spree?

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I keep accidentally doing it

glass mortar
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nochanneling should work

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i dont know that its recommended nor that cutting off 1 tick of kspree would even matter that much

hasty warren
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What buff are you tracking with cd manager ?

frail veldt
hasty warren
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i'm tracking this rn but I'm not sure for flowless form and concentration

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glass mortar
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yes unironically

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high end pvm in runescape is closer to that game then it is to wow

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so if ur into that kinda thing its pretty fun

frail veldt
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whenever I watch a video of someone doing a hard challenge though it doesnt appear as intricate as people describe it

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can you like share an impressive clip?

glass anvil
glass mortar
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ask ross for a fight kill, id link it but i dont share stuff from dms without permission and i cba to ping him just to ask

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he has a ton of them tho

frail veldt
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I mean are they not on youtube

glass mortar
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uh im sure they are

frail veldt
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like just a general video doesnt have to be ross

glass mortar
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i cant recommend any because thats not the osrs content i consume on youtube

frail veldt
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like the "peak" osrs gameplay

glass mortar
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lets see you can search for

frail veldt
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ah

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yeah I have no idea what to even search

glass mortar
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well honestly the peak of osrs gameplay and apm is probably pvp

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because in pvp you are constantly swapping between multiple items and prayers and tick eating and whatnot

frail veldt
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Ive seen some clips of pvp and it doesnt seem all that compelling haha

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seems more like when people are doing minecraft speed runs

glass mortar
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its not my kinda thing but its probably osrs at its fastest

civic meadow
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high end in that game is def pretty intense

proven ocean
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Like

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Alot harder

glass mortar
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also should note that in osrs even the highest end of content is made much much easier by buying/wearing the best gear

frail veldt
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wow is far from the hardest mechanical game thats for sure

proven ocean
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On par with world first keys

cinder haven
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Harder in a fun way or an obnoxious way though?

frail veldt
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thats probably subjective

glass mortar
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depends on you entirely

proven ocean
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Can be fun yea

frail veldt
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to me it looks like navigating shitty menus

glass mortar
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yea i wouldnt say theres an objective answer to that

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the skill is in very different places then wow but its def skill

proven ocean
#

Things in osrs can get alot harder than world first keys

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And its not even close

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People heavily underestimate how hard osrs can get

#

Until they experience it themselves

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There are bosses where u have to precisely click at 2 places in a 0.6 second window while clicking twice in other places precisely within 0.6 seconds

frail veldt
#

so is there content that like barely a handful of players are even good enough to do

proven ocean
#

Yea

frail veldt
#

whats it called

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I wana look up some vids of it to get an idea

proven ocean
#

Like blood torva

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Sec i can show a good video

glass mortar
#

id say alot of the hardest content is very similar to kyveza actually, precise movement while keeping your damage up but mostly focusing on avoiding mechanics barraging at you because if you eat any of them they could 1 shot you (And will usually hit you for at least 75% of ur hp)

proven ocean
#

Last 30 seconds of this fight is diabolical

glass mortar
#

and being hit that hard too often will be a substantial dps loss since you'll need to waste damage ticks eating eventually

proven ocean
#

Loading video

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U get this armor

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When u kill all 4 awakened bosses

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On wifi is just bad

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Chest legs and helm

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Transmog

unkempt anvil
#

Lads i have a question, i switched to outlaw for a bit cuz sims pointed to it but sim dmg breakdown looks nothing like mine xD i never have most dmg in between the eyes

proven ocean
#

Its prob the hardest official challenge but

cinder haven
#

The menu clicking looks a bit annoying, rest looks kinda interesting but hard to follow tbh

proven ocean
#

U can customize it

#

Tobfon

glass mortar
#

prayer flicking is a huge part of the skillcap, u can setup ur ui a bit different from this tho yea

proven ocean
#

Gets crazy hard

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Some challenges to this day only 1 person accomplished

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So far

#

So, skill ceiling u could say is infinite in that regard

cinder haven
#

Are there leaderboards for that kind of stuff?

proven ocean
#

Nothing official no

cinder haven
#

So more like you have to record yourself to prove you did it or what?

proven ocean
#

Jpc challenged me to kill the hardest boss before the next raid is released

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To get equivalent to 10m gold in wow but in osrs

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But idk not ready yet

#

Its so hard and so expensive to attempt

cinder haven
#

Ah so you have to pay to access the bosses like poe/diablo but much harder bosses?

proven ocean
#

No its just that boss specifically

#

Because u can get an item by killing it

#

Huge profit

#

If u can kill it that is

proven ocean
#

Super hard bosses

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2 of the 4 bosses are like

cinder haven
#

Ah but rest you can just spam until you manage?

proven ocean
#

Yeah the average bosses are giga easy if ur rly good

#

Its like reclearing heroic

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Some bosses are mythic

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Most are heroic/normal

#

The mythic ones are crazy tho

low glade
#

how crazy are they?

proven ocean
#

They arent called mythic just a term to explain tho

low glade
#

like super cooky and zaney crazy?

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🤪

#

like that?

proven ocean
glass mortar
proven ocean
#

Maybe not cuz im not world first kind of good in osrs

cinder haven
#

I didn’t even start my gaming pc for like two weeks, don’t really have anything that is drawing me in atm

proven ocean
#

Idk

glass mortar
#

what does your breakdown look like?

low glade
#

jpc really took everyone to OSRS with him

proven ocean
#

Well hes rly good at osrs so

low glade
#

is zac gonna play osrs with you, @proven ocean

proven ocean
#

Nah he wont last 30 seconds

#

U have to be autistic to play osrs

unkempt anvil
proven ocean
#

Too much afk and grind

#

Takes a long time to get to end game

low glade
proven ocean
#

Rly long time and learning

#

Heres a hard boss mechanically sec

cinder haven
#

Games where a lot of the skill is knowledge I kinda enjoy but this sounds like it’s also mechanical skill

#

Kinda rare to have both in a game

glass mortar
#

like i said it is not a game like wow theres is a lot more to it and if ur goal is just to get to endgame raids asap there is a heavy filter for sure

#

theres a lot of leveling to do

proven ocean
#

Yeah

#

U have to do alot of skilling

#

Like

#

As if u have to max out all ur wow professions

#

All professions

glass mortar
#

me personally i like the questing/leveling in runescape as much as the pvm

proven ocean
#

And it takes way longer than wow professions

low glade
#

as long as you guys are having fun

glass mortar
#

so i dont mind but its not for everyone

low glade
#

that's really the most important part

proven ocean
#

Boss video is loading btw

#

Here

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Hardest part is sub 25% hp

#

Start is semi afk

unkempt anvil
proven ocean
#

Idk brain lagged when a single green showed up

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Bug

glass mortar
#

i mean other then you having too much mastery that doesnt look crazy far off

#

is your crit particularly low?

covert kestrel
#

oh fuck hes gauchemaxxing

glass mortar
#

crit being low could cause BtE damage to drop a bit, in most log breakdowns for bosses im seeing its BtE > melee > PS for the top 3 spots

unkempt anvil
lucid stirrup
#

it aint called MAIN gauche for nothing

glass mortar
#

and you are making to cast it on CD at 6+ combo points

#

theres really not much more u can do to make sure ur minmaxing it then that

unkempt anvil
#

what should i aim for crit then

glass mortar
#

even more its ur best stat

proven ocean
#

Ok i was wrong

glass mortar
#

but u arent like crazy low or anything

proven ocean
#

I think hardest official challenges in osrs prob not harder than world first keys

#

But still rly close

#

Idk world first keys were crazy

gaunt phoenix
#

Stats are fine i think you're not playing outlaw right yet

glass mortar
#

tbh its hard to tell more without seeing a log yea

#

it doesnt seem like ur mastery is particularly high, MG should not be that high i think

proven ocean
#

Especially that we did full melee wf keys

#

monkaSpeed no voice

#

Preplanned all the kicks and stops monkaSpeed

gaunt phoenix
#

Mastery or not, dispatch should not be way below SS

glass mortar
#

really

#

maybe not that much i guess

#

im just perusing fract logs and disaptch is 1.5-2% under SS for alot of the top logs

#

maybe these logs arent good to use on prepatch tho

proven ocean
glass mortar
#

fights too short might be skewing things away from dispatch because u spend most of the first minute with AR cdr?

proven ocean
#

Wtf cat using phone

#

How

gaunt phoenix
glass mortar
#

might be short fight things yea

gaunt phoenix
#

though you do press bf

glass mortar
#

oh but in m+ u cast SS less because BF is taking up a builder

#

the gap is small in these logs anyway, smaller then in that details breakdown

jolly geyser
#

will zeross have to post in OT all this stuff close to midnight release and time after?

cinder relic
#

He should

unkempt anvil
#

aa longer fight 2 times ar used

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proven ocean
#

will ramlu have to post in OT all this stuff close to midnight release and time after?

glass mortar
#

that seems better but i'll defer to solo

proven ocean
glass mortar
#

hard to read more into this without actual logs yk

proven ocean
jolly geyser
#

idk I post in both zeross, but I know when to back off

proven ocean
jolly geyser
proven ocean
#

Stay mad

jolly geyser
#

Im real angry now

glass mortar
vapid aspen
#

!sheet

ornate heathBOT
copper radish
#

Gear upgrades gonna cost gold on top of crests now?? 😂

#

Blizz telling us they want token buyers or something

frail veldt
copper radish
#

Greedy corporations

frail veldt
#

oh thats very cheap

copper radish
#

It’s cheap but still lol

frail veldt
#

I mean bro 3750g for ALL pieces full myth upgrade

vivid vessel
#

i mean its so cheap i dont relaly get the point tho

copper radish
#

We get flight stones removed and they are like fuck it add gold to them instead

frail veldt
#

its almost pointless yeah

#

why even have a cost

#

3750 is effectively 0

zealous sand
#

what do you guys use to track your rollthedice buff? the built in cd manager doesn't seem to show that buff for me

frail veldt
#

it should

hasty warren
#

if u track the icon it don't works

zealous sand
#

hm okay thanks

lime lake
# frail veldt why even have a cost

at first i thought this was an insane take, but the theory ive come to believe is blizzard just couldnt figure out how to completely remove a second currency without breaking everything

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so added gold instead of stones

frail veldt
frail rover
#

/ui

#

!ui

ornate heathBOT
red zinc
#

not that this upgrading stuff is an issue but wow just makes a lot of small goldsinks so you dont feel like you spend a lot but it somewhat adds up

frail veldt
#

I mean thats the point tbh

red zinc
#

while still netting them wow token money

frail veldt
#

they have to have gold sinks

#

or we'd see inflation af over time

#

I think as long as the "minimum wage" keeps going up itll be fine

#

like the gold you get from dailies/quests/etc

red zinc
#

UBI in wow gold pagman

#

w socialism

lime lake
#

W

craggy barn
#

if there wasnt this transitional period of not costing any secondary currency this wouldnt be an issue

#

couldve easily chalked it up to some dumb systems thing requiring a secondary currency, but its so weird to add gold after not having anything

frail veldt
#

oh it didnt cost anything for a bit?

#

yeah thats weird then

craggy barn
#

they removed valorstones in beta didnt they

frail veldt
#

but I htink they do intentionally add gold sinks for high activity players

#

thats what repair bills are for

craggy barn
#

unles im completely misremembering how beta upgrades worked

vivid vessel
#

guys

#

why so much yap xd

#

?

#

imagine yapping

frail veldt
#

shut up noob

vivid vessel
#

?

#

XD

#

mad ?

frail veldt
#

gottem

vivid vessel
#

bro mew o

#

midnight when

frail veldt
#

idk bro I wont even be in town

vivid vessel
#

why is prepatch a thing

#

i dont get it

#

it just delete the game

#

for 5 months

frail veldt
#

cuz they need to milk more time for testing/bug fixes

vivid vessel
#

ah ye

#

its beta

#

my bad

frail veldt
#

yep game is shut down

lime lake
#

they announced long ago stones would be gone but im not sure if it was ever actually implemented

craggy barn
#

shrug

#

im cooking up some cursed APLs

frail rover
#

!ui

ornate heathBOT
tropic zephyr
craggy barn
#

nah its super low apm effort

# 
actions=roll_the_bones,if=adrenaline_rush.ready&roll_the_bones.ready
actions+=/preparation,if=keep_it_rolling.ready|opportunity.up
#

pepw

#

giga cooking rn

#

vibe coding apls pepw

#

(not really but imagine)

tropic zephyr
#

does this make you rtb before ar?

#

how does this work, second line is tied to first?

craggy barn
#

it rolls and hten does nothing

tropic zephyr
#

kek

#

prep resets rtb?

craggy barn
#

this is just output from something im testing

tropic zephyr
#

haaa you're actually feeding APLs to claude

craggy barn
#

nope

#

building an app, far from ready

tropic zephyr
#

for what

craggy barn
#

visual scripting

tropic zephyr
#

yeah that's not a bad idea apl fucking sucks

#

like i'm a dev and god that is NOT intuitive

craggy barn
#

theres so much i needa add to this shit

#

bc each class has different requirements

tropic zephyr
#

isn't it like proc based or sequential/always the same

#

like in the end there's 2 types of apl

craggy barn
#

theres sublist stuff and keywords im pretty sure

tropic zephyr
#

ha ok i get what you mean

craggy barn
#

i havent even finished handling everything conditional

tropic zephyr
#

yeah it's not easy, but it will probably be good to even have it able to make a visual tied to the APL itself

craggy barn
#

ya

#

just a fun project will take a while tho since im not dedicating every hour to this

tropic zephyr
#

hmmm, i feel you, i'm trying to make a kinda wago-like site rn

#

the goal would be to have the site tell you if you need to update your addon profile

#

like

#

idk some platynator jundies update

#

and you connect and the site tells you "hey there's a new version since you last download this"

#

v1 would do that at least

safe pasture
#

do we have any way of keeping track of unseen blade proc cd timer

craggy barn
#

not really

safe pasture
#

sadge

craggy barn
#

why tho, i dont think it matters much anymore when coup is low prio

safe pasture
#

didnt know it was low prio last time i played it was high

craggy barn
#

midnight changes make ks and coup kinda whatever, you just BTE > KS > Coup > Dispatch, and theres not much to plan around

#

since we arent really setting up for crackshot windows anymore

#

bc that doesnt exist

#

we also dont have tier set so no double coup to make it more powerful

safe pasture
#

wouldnt optimzing for flawless hits be optimal still tho to maximiaze coup procs over all sense ks and bte still wont be up some of the time

#

or is it like whatever basically

gaunt phoenix
#

Flawless form is no longer an overlapping buff

#

is stacks up to 5 and sits there

#

so you are at 5 stacks like all the time

craggy barn
#

and ps can proc UB so u dont really have to think about what builder you are pressing for that

safe pasture
#

hmm i see ty

gaunt phoenix
#

So coup doesnt change any decision it just happens when it happens

craggy barn
#

solo u wanna test out a shitty web app visual scripting apl builder? pepw

keen belfry
#

zomb i used ai at work today

craggy barn
#

gross

keen belfry
#

it might be op

craggy barn
#

guys its over

keen belfry
#

im going to bring it to wangbar

craggy barn
#

ITS OVER

#

vibe coded addon lfg

gaunt phoenix
#

sure

keen belfry
#

company is legit almost mandating ai use now btw

#

like we have metrics

#

so i got copilot extension and kinda just tested out codex

#

truthfully, not bad

craggy barn
#

yea its not bad for people who actually can write and read code

keen belfry
#

yeah, thats what ive heard. its an actual tool for peopole who can give it guidance

#

cause man, it wrote like 40 lines of good code

#

in 10 seconds

tropic zephyr
#

and then i switched to claude

#

it's like

craggy barn
#

ive heardgood things about codex

tropic zephyr
#

there's not match

#

like claude is actually the goat

keen belfry
craggy barn
#

one of my guildies had claude rewrite the twitch addon for our guild

#

for custom emotes

tropic zephyr
#

kek

keen belfry
#

so my copilot agent can use a lot of stuff, gpt 5.3 codex, claude opus and claude sonnet

#

i just heard 5.3 codex is quite good

#

so i used it

#

it was

tropic zephyr
keen belfry
#

i have company laptop so i doubt i could jusst get stuff like that

#

or could i? idk

#

we have github enterpsie with the basic copilot agent stuff

craggy barn
#

i use ai when i get stuck on a complicated issue and i have no one to talk it through or cant find stuff myself online / cant be bothered to giga parse through full documentation for the exact thing im looking for

keen belfry
#

im going to use it more

craggy barn
#

i havent used it on addons tho

keen belfry
#

after today iwas convinced

#

i bet it has shit understanding of lua and wow api

#

but maybe not?

craggy barn
#

u have to absolutely go through the code with addons

lime lake
#

i remember zac saying before it wasnt great at it

craggy barn
#

it can write absolute dog shit

#

terrible performance stuff

#

it can write the event parser terribly and cause big performance bump

tropic zephyr
#

it's kinda magic

craggy barn
#

yea its a great stack-overflow replacement

keen belfry
#

which people dont understand

#

a good dev is very good at finding solutions online

#

IMO

#

you simply cant just know it all

lime lake
#

ye

keen belfry
#

and ai is a tool that is very good at finding that stuff

lime lake
#

thats most stuff tbh

#

when i was at AIT in the army for chem the first thing they taught us was you didnt have to remember all the answers, you had to remember where to find them

keen belfry
#

yup

#

school/edujcation isnt learning things only, its mainly learning how to learn

#

same for this stuff

past falcon
#

same w engineering, it just taught me how to problem solve more than anything else

keen belfry
lime lake
#

ye

#

i cant say more though its confidential

keen belfry
#

say mor enow

lime lake
#

(advanced individual training)

pure folio
#

(dont look inside the walls)

lime lake
#

its just where you learn your job

keen belfry
#

says you

frail veldt
keen belfry
#

i dont believe you

frail veldt
#

claude 4.6 opus high is so good

wintry solar
#

Is that a new drug?

fickle relic
#

outlaw seems pretty strong in prepatch rn, is it legit?

lime lake
keen belfry
frail veldt
frail veldt
#

but it is decent in beta

fickle relic
#

eh, i'm doing some nice dps

frail veldt
#

compared to what

fickle relic
#

compared to meta udks in my raid

#

or aren't they anymore?

#

am i that wrong?

frail veldt
#

they might just suck idk lol

#

you can look at warcraft logs

#

we are not strong in pre patch

wintry solar
#

Please consult the graph

image-140.png
#

This tickles me pink idk why

fickle relic
#

is that second graph from beta?

lime lake
#

its an old meme

fickle relic
#

oh 🙁 for a second i thought that we actually might be in a tier

frail veldt
#

outlaw is almost never in raid prog

#

its been in raid prog like once in the last 3 xpacs

vivid vessel
#

why no one posted patch notes yet

#

is everyone asleep

copper radish
#

Unseen blade nerf lol

#

And that’s it for outlaw 🪦

craggy barn
fickle relic
#

honestly wtf even is this

#

why

copper radish
#

Fatebound superiority lol

vivid vessel
#

always fun to see how having shared hero talents is good for the game

fickle relic
#

it's a bad spec with 2 choices one of which is a bit better than the other and instad of buffing the other one they nerf the good one

vivid vessel
#

so when sub get a hero tree nerfed

#

outlaw also get its hero tree nerfed

#

even tho its already behind

quaint mauve
craggy barn
#

!prepul

#

!prepull

fossil lintel
#

I don't mind them nerfing trickster out of existance

limpid isle
vivid vessel
fossil lintel
#

Perma tricks is great, but having to use KS is too big of a downside

vivid vessel
#

legit killing yourself everytime your tank chain pull

#

like idk

#

that spec without perma tricks

#

so cringe

#

like when a pack takes time to setup

#

the only thing outlaw can do to keep up in damage to other specs

#

is hit directly

#

but without perma tricks you cant

#

you just take agro back instantly

#

on every mob

#

so you just have to wait afk 10s

#

10s of outlaw damage

#

so gg i guess

fossil lintel
#

We just need perma tricks on the class tree

past falcon
#

perma tricks feels so good

fossil lintel
#

Or have trickster not require ks

fickle relic
#

and it's being nerfed

vivid vessel
#

i mean its legit useless for sin and sub

#

but outlaw is unplayabel without it

ashen void
vivid vessel
#

also it gives so much damage to everyone in the party

#

idk

fickle relic
#

what do you mean by tricks?

vivid vessel
#

i think if trickster is close

#

you always plkay trickster

#

your warrior get to hit instantly

#

your cat aslo

#

your tank doesnt have to do cringe shit to take aggro

#

its so much better

fossil lintel
fickle relic
#

ooh i see ty

fossil lintel
#

Trickster has a talent that makes it essentially permanent

fickle relic
#

yep

#

delves are impossible on fatebound without it

hasty fable
#

or drop the CD on tricks to something reasonable - still annoying to cast constantly, but could be done

fossil lintel
#

Put tricks on rb

hasty fable
#

^

vivid vessel
#

low cd doesnt change anything

#

the thing with tricks is that its too short

#

for outlaw

#

you wanna be hitting instantly as your tank gather

#

and that require a long tricks

fossil lintel
#

How long does it last again?

vivid vessel
#

no clue

#

not enough

hasty fable
#

30 sec

vivid vessel
#

no

#

im talking about the buff

past falcon
#

isnt it 30s to start and then 6s once you start hitting

hasty fable
#

ohhh

vivid vessel
#

anytime a pull is not insta packed

hasty fable
#

right

fossil lintel
#

6 sec

vivid vessel
#

its too short

lethal oak
#

They really want everyone on assa

fossil lintel
#

I mean it's annoying but if we could chain two of those it would be fine

#

Lose a bit of DPS though

hasty fable
#

charges on tricks hm

cinder relic
fickle relic
#

21% mastery and my main gauche is top 2 dps. is it still the least desireable stat?

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frail veldt
lethal oak
fickle relic
#

it's way below my other secondaries and it still rocks

#

it's 152 and my second lowest is haste with 228

lethal oak
#

Pump it to 500

#

Let's ride

fickle relic
#

i guess i have no choice

#

it's unfortunate that they removed all main gauche talents

crude oar
#

How is there not a single line for outlaw OMEGAKEKW

fickle relic
#

it's almost normal now, not surprised

fierce mulch
#

is subt playable?! Outlaw and assa are doa.

near rock
#

doa icant

hasty fable
#

sub can be enjoyable and is very playable yes

fickle relic
#

i still love my outlaw even if it's bad 🙁

cold creek
#

I really wanted to try outlaw in Midnight, is it that bad?

hasty fable
#

no, outlaw is (arguably) in one of its best spots in a long time

lethal oak
#

If you dont mind bottom fragging it's always good

fierce mulch
copper radish
fickle relic
#

i feel you bro

cold creek
#

Don't like the sub changes at all but i really wanna stick with rogue, and outlaw looks like high apm fun

near rock
copper radish
#

Don’t listen to the doomers in here 😭

vivid vessel
#

(he says this every season even when its complete dogshit tho)

#

truth is no one knows rn tho so

cold creek
#

idk who to trust 💀

#

i guess i'll just sick with it through good and bad times

hasty fable
#

true, the numbers will tell the tale (and historically they suck) -- you play outlaw for the style and the gameplay... if the numbers are good then yay, if they suck then boohoo

#

it's a lot more "approachable" than TWW outlaw was though

fierce mulch
#

more approachable but just as bad

hasty fable
#

you may approach the bad

fickle relic
#

i really wish they added an option for the old killing spree animation, i can't stop thinking about it 🙁

lethal oak
#

They should just remove it and buff blade rush

crude oar
#

Remove outlaw at this point awaree

fickle relic
#

there is already a tier set for that

cinder relic
#

Ppl love to doom post

lethal oak
#

I learned from Zac

cinder relic
#

I haven't kept up with all the random % buffs and nerfs to other specs and classes but for awhile on beta outlaw was just, like the best spec

buoyant stratus
#

Meh sub kinda goated after yall got 15%

rancid silo
#

does main guage count as an auto attack

buoyant stratus
#

It gives u combat potency energy iirc

rancid silo
#

Ig what im really asking is since the buff to auto attacks

glass mortar
#

No