hes gonna come out with the politics eventually
#outlaw
lone spear
wintry solar
dude
im trying to play outlaw with a controller
but
my pc isnt finding my controller
frail veldt
oh
quaint mauve
it’s fine
frail veldt
was it curved?
frail veldt
where were you on the bell curve
frail veldt
eh youre fine
quaint mauve
but like it hurt still
frail veldt
if the average is that low its more a reflection of the teacher doing a bad job
quaint mauve
this dude gives 0 partial credit
it’s wrong or right
but nah i made really dumb mistakes that like now looking at it i shouldn’t have made
good news is i did good on all my other classes
past falcon
HAHAHAHHA
keen belfry
me when the werstern woiman
proven ocean
ashen void
you and who
proven ocean
Solo in the middle
Zac is the cow on the left
Lion at the back is AI
Not real lion
Oh ye stealthi is there too
Can u see him
untold wadi
mighty pivot
wtf temu zac is not reformed at all
patent mirage
river wing
bro's been playing Rogue since vanilla at the same rate I've been playing the whole game since Sep 2024
wild
tardy moss
this has to be a joke right???
mighty pivot
yes april fools notes
silk stirrup
wintry solar
yes april fools notes
help :<
its been plaguing me for years and I've HAD IT
I've done EVERYTHING
mighty pivot
shoot the computer with your new gun
crystal canopy
I've done EVERYTHING
silly question, have you tried the good old dism + sfc scannow (in that order)?
crystal canopy
make sure to sfc scannow second
I know it's a meme to suggest it, but I've honestly had it work a few times
wintry solar
roight roight
crystal canopy
if it doesn't work, I'd probably just reinstall the pc quickly
wintry solar
hey I could be misremembering 
wintry solar
if it doesn't work, I'd probably just reinstall the pc quickly
that also doesnt work
mighty pivot
go back to win xp 
wintry solar
hey I could be misremembering <:CAUGHT:1226596585006305350>
lol oops
crystal canopy
did you reinstall it from windows itself, or through a usb?
wintry solar
I couldnt reinstall at all
mighty pivot
???
wintry solar
imagine my shock
wintry solar
nothing, an error occurs
untold wadi
okay then I'd definitely reinstall 😄
just reinstalled like 2 hrs ago, feels great 
wintry solar
at the ass end of the installation too
crystal canopy
nothing, an error occurs
and was this through windows built in OS reset, or through an external medium?
serene cosmos
What you trying to do?
wintry solar
first was through windows right? after that was via an external drive
crystal canopy
if a reinstall failed through an external drive, how are you still on the pc?
wintry solar
it never uninstalled it I guess
crystal canopy
or did you not erase your boot drive while reinstalling?
crystal canopy
because that would explain why it failed
mighty pivot
format the disk lil pup
mighty pivot
ask zac for support, unc. He's unemployed anyway
crystal canopy
you should get a screen that looks like this during the reinstall
mighty pivot
that's the beginning though
wintry solar
wait wait
crystal canopy
did you reorder the boot order in bios?
because it feels like you just never booted the pc from the external drive then
wintry solar
wait im remembering
yall ever seen that episode of spongebob where patrick thinks and theres smoke coming from his ears?
me af rn
mighty pivot
wintry solar
so no I infact did NOT do what sudac suggested
crystal canopy
I can highly recommend just reinstalling tbh 😄
the fact that your windows update from 2023 is still stuck means you haven't done that in at least 3 years, can never hurt to just reinstall
crystal canopy
working in IT, I'm supposed to suggest going to 11 because w10 reached eol last year
so no more security updates
wintry solar
go back to win xp <:Okay:1043153086690119710>
if I could go back to 7 I would
mighty pivot
isnt it awful?
win 10 is EOL
crystal canopy
no more updates
crystal canopy
if any new vulnerabilities get found, they won't get fixed
wintry solar
yeah thats trueee
mighty pivot
you don't want to lose all your hentai to some vulnerability
mighty pivot
scout's mum?
crystal canopy
you can make a backup of your files before reinstalling
wintry solar
you can download the nude mods again
the opposite actually, everyone is super tacticaled out and badass and awesome
mighty pivot
sure buddy 
wintry solar
Sadler stands no chance against the might of the US military budget
distant bronze
did they change the Ace proc sound ?
wintry solar
wintry solar
did they change the Ace proc sound ?
no im pretty sure they didnt
distant bronze
I dont hear anything now when it procs
wintry solar
thats weird, I def hear it and it screws me up when I do
wish we could trade places
wintry solar
but yeah idk what the deal is
distant bronze
I dont get it
hollow temple
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wintry solar
maybe an addon?
distant bronze
yeah maybe one one the addons I update has this
wintry solar
I hate when that happens
mighty pivot
I don't see why an addon would do that tbh
mighty pivot
that's strange considering you never play the game
wintry solar
you are
SOOOOOOOOOOO wrong
im not keeping my files. kill them all....
call me arthas the way im culling the villagers (files)
mighty pivot
see you in 2 years popo, or whenever you manage to reinstall windows
wintry solar
dont put that on me
hardy vault
win10 in the big 2026
mighty pivot
in louisiana that's the latest version
mighty pivot
6969420
wintry solar
Dang he got me
mighty pivot
(I don't know how many digits it's supposed to be)
mighty pivot
I was close
wintry solar
mighty pivot
Go ahead and give him my social security number too, damn.
I never understood why that number is dangerous to give away tbh. You'd think your actual id would be more problematic
what can they even do with that
hardy vault
i think it's because it's your entire person in one number
like you can use it for credit cards, etc.
hardy vault
i learnt in a cgp grey video that it's just a random paper card tho
not even laminated
wintry solar
you cant laminate it
mighty pivot
they can't afford laminating it. Poor country and all
mighty pivot
was that through a usb stick?
hardy vault
they can't afford laminating it. Poor country and all
no no, you're not ALLOWED to
mighty pivot
ok at least you can cover it
wintry solar
how are they gonna know you cover it regardless?
mighty pivot
they can't but if it was flimsy enough to fall apart from that...
wintry solar
cut my tongue on a jolly rancher
wintry solar
im goin to jaaail
or that
im sure they got something on me
all this because my bluetooth wasnt working btw
quaint mauve
cut my tongue on a jolly rancher
wouldn’t have happened if you played dk
untold wadi
win10 n iotltsc + massgrave activation for peak clean install
wintry solar
Idr, I got a pounding headache. I think I got it though. Will update soon hopefully
If this works ill give you the sloppiest top in a metaphorical way
wintry solar
how exactly did you start this reinstall?
I think the command prompt thing you mentioned earlier helped. Because now I've gotten further than before
Well it worked lol
Clean slate is nice
Now to redownload everything 
unique echo
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mighty pivot
Now to redownload everything <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
don't forget to redownload WA!
wintry solar
don't forget to redownload WA!
Funny
mighty pivot
you need it to play around UHUH
wintry solar
Btw
Bluetooth still not working
Outside of setting the parameters to automatic, idk what else to do
I put Guy in the meme but I guess he didn't like it
mighty pivot
what do you use bt for
wintry solar
Controller for racing games and stuff
I've never used bt on this PC, I've used a wireless controller but I want to prepare for Re9 so I upgraded.
I prefer RE on controller
mighty pivot
monster truck madness?
wintry solar
For the gameboy?
You don't strike me as the type
Anyways, I feel like I'm missing a crucial step. My PC doesn't find any Bluetooth device.
mighty pivot
no way that was on gameboy
wintry solar
I'm pretty sure that's what it was called
Gameboy advanced
Looks like there's a couple different versions
mighty pivot
windows and the sequel was also on n64
the game is older than you anyway, no surprise you think it's a gameboy game
mighty pivot
not even wikipedia has that one. Maybe that's why:
The game strays quite differently from the other MTM games, as this game plays much more like racing games released on the Nintendo 64, such as Cruisin' USA! and other games from the Cruisin' series
wintry solar
not even wikipedia has that one. Maybe that's why:
> The game strays quite diffe...
There's a game called Crashday that I played way back in the day. It was a derby game but with miniguns and missiles on your car
untold wadi
Anyways, I feel like I'm missing a crucial step. My PC doesn't find any Bluetoot...
does ur mobo have it or is it a card/nic
never seen so many issues before from installing wintoes
wintry solar
Yeah it's got it
crystal canopy
probably just don't have the bluetooth drivers?
untold wadi
had ethernet not work once
just googled ethernet drivers and first link from intel fixed it
glass mortar
only 4 u bub
snow hill
is it over
Please explain
wintry solar
just googled ethernet drivers and first link from intel fixed it
I'm finding all sorts of stuff for Intel lol
If only i had intel
fossil lintel
is it over
Yes it's over
untold wadi
yea usually windows is chill like that
its like when the 64bit release of something says amd64 but doesn't matter if u own amd parts lol
untold wadi
like this
is what i mean
idk try that
but idk this is usually if windows' update fails cuz usually thatll find what u need 
wintry solar
Doing it as we speak
Didn't work :<
What da helly
Mhmmm
There's a world of fixes i could try but I'm just not smart enough to figure it out
untold wadi
sadg
wintry solar
I'll figure it out for sure
open marsh
Been a hot minute since I've played outlaw/rogue. Setting up my UI and if my quick search is correct Thistle Tea can be treated as a passive? Is there any reason to keybind it or track charges?
wintry solar
Yeah you can ignore it
mighty pivot
you can track charges for the despair of running out of it
but it's passive basically
glass mortar
tracking it only exists to inflict psychic damage upon yourself ^
same as lucky coin last expac tbh
i mean zac had a real reason to track it
the rest of us tho
untold wadi
same as lucky coin last expac tbh
the gambling factor is worth
open marsh
So screw it or jack up my UI layout for mental anguish... 🤔
untold wadi
glass mortar
ah yes the gamble of "oh my hero tree capstone didnt proc this fight i guess i just did 6% less dps because blizzard is good at designing things"
open marsh
Thanks everyone!
mighty pivot
*woops you got 8 coins in a row instead of 7"
hasty warren
Hi pirates
wintry solar
Hellooo
hasty warren
yo popo
glass mortar
*woops you got 8 coins in a row instead of 7"
hehehe me when i somehow let a bug exist for the entire expac that makes an already unacceptable talent design even worse
crazy times
hasty warren
we don't say bug but feature
mighty pivot
hehehe me when i somehow let a bug exist for the entire expac that makes an alre...
uhhhm it's called "friction" sweetie 💅
hardy vault
you can track charges for the despair of running out of it
That’s exactly why I have it show in my CDM
keen belfry
uhhhm it's called "friction" sweetie 💅
where build
mighty pivot
popo already loves the spec, no need for changes
wintry solar
You shut your blue mouth
We need changes what do you MEAN
@untold wadi I got it!
It was realtek
untold wadi
untold wadi
Oh my God I could kiss you
so u just download some driver from them?
wintry solar
From my mobo website
Which is weird because earlier it said Intel
I've been working on this for hours
untold wadi
Which is weird because earlier it said Intel
yeh who knows
glad its fixed tho before midnight n stuff
reinstall can be stressful
wintry solar
Yeah, now I get to reinstall all my games, mods, mod installers, addons, etc.
But now it all works :)
Okay night night
untold wadi
Yeah, now I get to reinstall all my games, mods, mod installers, addons, etc.
doin the same atm
untold wadi
Okay night night
mighty pivot
Oh my God I could kiss you
as if you needed a reason
wintry solar
as if you needed a reason
Teehee not really
I like Moga
I think it's funny how it all ended up
All that for a controller and now I don't have games lol
Downloading in my sleep
Goodnight Ninjarobot
glass mortar
wait what did i miss did u brick ur pc trying to get a controller to work
wintry solar
It's a very long story
glass mortar
ok go to bed popopopo
mighty pivot
Goodnight Ninjarobot
gn cutie 
unkempt smelt
Hello guys, took a few months off WoW. Where can I find a good addonless interface for Midnight ? 🙂
unkempt smelt
ah shit
wanted to get rid of add ons since they wont offer an edge in combat anymore
twilit atlas
Get Total RP 3, i understand it's a 3-5% dps advantage over the base ui
pastel sierra
Almost feels like their UI team doesn't play the game enough
grave carbon
Some aspects of the base ui are almost worse then before
cinder relic
This class looks cooked
What specifically?
formal thunder
apart from damage, new build with SoH and KIR feels really nice
less dry times with bad roll luck
covert kestrel
I miss the goat
Did he get le banned
low glade
zac got banned?
unkempt dew
proven ocean
@zac
proven ocean
zac got banned?
oh wtf he got banned
mighty pivot
he shows up only when we really need him. like batman
lavish shoal
What specifically?
All of the fun stuff I used to like about this spec and even sub is gone
latent oak
the chasm in gameplay is pretty jarring ya
lavish shoal
Ever since they removed mfd I’ve been dooming
keen belfry
not a lot going on with outlaw currently
lavish shoal
I hated 7 combo points
Felt like a step in the wrong direction
I feel like outlaw got dumbed down in Dragonflight and then war within
And now in midnight it’s just axed
gaunt phoenix
He's not banned
cinder relic
All of the fun stuff I used to like about this spec and even sub is gone
then yeah GG
lavish shoal
then yeah GG
You enjoying it?
shy meteor
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cinder relic
I haven’t tried since then
Not really no
lavish shoal
I miss cto :(
lavish shoal
One of the things I liked about outlaw for a long time is just that you are pressing lots of buttons
Now less buttons
Less fun
glass mortar
feels like another ogcd would spice things up and add some speed back without them needing to up AR
lavish shoal
SO sad no more vanish
glass mortar
shame that they decided tea should play itself entirely
frail veldt
One of the things I liked about outlaw for a long time is just that you are pres...
we didnt lose many buttons tbh
lavish shoal
Bring back mfd
frail veldt
again we only lost vanish and gs
glass mortar
they were our two most frequent ogcd buttons by far yes
lavish shoal
Now it’s just ar right
glass mortar
we cast ogcds probably less then a quarter as often
shy meteor
compared to other specs we didnt los much
patent mirage
mfd is hard to exist now with the current cp generation
frail veldt
we cast ogcds probably less then a quarter as often
yeah that much is true
shy meteor
and the only real "issue" in my opinion is the lack of energy sometimes
frail veldt
I think for me the spec just feels very stale
glass mortar
the issue is they gave me nothing new to play with and that makes it boring
frail veldt
theres not much to optimize and theres just less skill expression in the rotation
glass mortar
in the past when they took large parts of specs away they usually tossed in a new toy or two to play around
past falcon
I wish they bridged the evolution between crackshot builds and now barely taking ace at all, I miss the satisfaction of pressing BTE
glass mortar
they didnt this time
frail veldt
so it just feels kinda boring
glass mortar
so its just
lavish shoal
Same fth/ ace rotation of the last two expacs
shy meteor
theres not much to optimize and theres just less skill expression in the rotatio...
isnt that true for all specs?
lavish shoal
Feels the same imo
past falcon
yea but rn ace isnt that good right so its not scratching the itch for me
cinder relic
I mean if u dont fw it u dont fw it
lavish shoal
Even though mechanically it’s a bit different
lone crow
so it just feels kinda boring
agree, its like a watered down version of sl outlaw
lavish shoal
Yee
frail veldt
agree, its like a watered down version of sl outlaw
yeah its def simpler than any version of outlaw ive played since I started(which was SL)
lone crow
same same
glass mortar
if we at least still had ace procs and maybe 1 other proc adding more variety to the gameplay it could be fun. and it had about 20% more energy
past falcon
that's all, I wish it was a little better for folks who rlly liked crackshot outlaw as we move to new outlaw 
glass mortar
its wild they didnt even let us keep ace as a proc
ace that you build after is an abomination
the fact that u always build after, even with 2/2 ace as well...
frail veldt
but yeah blizz to me has made it clear they dont want there to be so much explicit skill expression in spec rotations
I think theyd rather the playing field be more even
past falcon
the fact that u always build after, even with 2/2 ace as well...
ok yeah that
gaunt phoenix
it's less fun, though chain ace would increase our already high rng
frail veldt
tru
vapid blaze
did they fix cdm tracking preparation?
gaunt phoenix
Yes
frail veldt
how does variance compare to tww?
glass mortar
only because they changed what the buff does to add more variance to ur damage profile without any gameplay implications
thats their fault
cinder relic
What
glass mortar
making the new bte buff work how it does
does nothing for gameplay
u never play around it
frail veldt
rolling bte buff is pretty wild yeah
frail veldt
yeah a perma uptime crit buff is obv less variance than a rolling damage amp
glass mortar
the payoff for an ace chain just being ur btes did big damage was more the enough
now the payoff is you might randomly be doing 50% more damage behind the scenes but u dont feel that in gameplay
i want gameplay
cinder relic
U didn't feel crit in gameplay either
glass mortar
yes
lavish shoal
The 4 buff?
frail veldt
exactly
cinder relic
Neither of these do anything about gameplay
frail veldt
so they replaced something you didnt feel for something you didnt feel
but with added variance
its a net loss
gaunt phoenix
how does variance compare to tww?
Fatebound ST is a little higher, Trickster is kinda way up there
frail veldt
Fatebound ST is a little higher, Trickster is kinda way up there
damn more than tww???
next thunder
man this pre patch feels like a HUGE nerf
gaunt phoenix
Yeah
next thunder
glass mortar
i only brought up btes new buff because solo pointed out if we could chain aces it would increase variance, but thats not an excuse to remove it to me when the entire new BtE buff mechanic is pointless
frail veldt
thats very not good
next thunder
+13 dawnbreaker, is this normal
glass mortar
id rather have gameplay then have this ironfuring rng damage amp stack u dont ever play around
gaunt phoenix
TWW variance wasnt that bad on patchwerk
next thunder
feel like we dont do any aoe damage
frail veldt
true we werent even like top 3 iirc
frail veldt
feel like we dont do any aoe damage
they merged a nerf from beta to pre patch, the nerf was appropriate on beta tuning but on pre patch it feelsbad
gaunt phoenix
Yeah outlaw is poorly tuned in prepatch
lavish shoal
Yo guy
cinder relic
hello
frail veldt
in beta we are still middle/upper ish of the pack
cinder relic
Yeah
glass mortar
which hero talent
lavish shoal
Or whatever it’s callrd
gaunt phoenix
It's just ace
lavish shoal
Zenith
cinder relic
Its like a guarenteed ace proc
glass mortar
oh apex
lavish shoal
Apex legends talent
cinder relic
U build stacks, and at max stacks, ur bte is a full refund, max cp, etc
lavish shoal
Whatever
frail veldt
apex legends talent haha
glass mortar
yea its an anti proc, when u get it u dont need to react to bte anymore
if ur into that kinda thing ull enjoy it
cinder relic
I mean if u dont like the foundation of the spec rn, u probs wont like it
glass mortar
gives u a buff to track ig
cinder relic
I dont think the apex "saves the spec"
frail veldt
gives u a buff to track ig
or you could not track it and just react haha
cinder relic
it adds something but if u dont like it u dont like it
glass mortar
true
i guess we can refuse to track it and pretend its a proc since ace no longer plays like a proc
lavish shoal
it adds something but if u dont like it u dont like it
It might be the something I need
Cause
cinder relic
Hop on beta and give it a sniff then
cinder relic
Yeah man at the end of the day I love playing rogue
I could complain until im blue in the face about random details or whatever but
Idk, I like pressing rogue buttons, they feel good
Ur never going to have a spec u have no issues with so I just try to find fun in the specs that I like
gaunt phoenix
I like that we can use both Prep and KIR in keys now. as opposed to the last build with no capstones at all
As awkward these talents are sometimes, it's something extra every few minutes to think about
that's part of what was missing to me, something a little external beyond the filler
glass mortar
its nice to be able to run kir just for the variance reducing
this outlaw is so ass to play with 1 buff its crazy
didnt feel this bad to me on beta but i guess thats the apex energy
easily as ass to play as old outlaw with a few of its 1 buffs
next thunder
I donnu I just feel like with outlaw, I actually have to pay attention to muh rotation and watnot - but the dps payoff is nothing compared to when I play my DH etc.
lavish shoal
this outlaw is so ass to play with 1 buff its crazy
Xdddd
next thunder
struggling to make it to top 8 in mythic manaforge pulls and not getting kicked haha
lavish shoal
Bro I feel that
Prepatch outlaw kinda ruff
Meanwhile my monk is almost top dps atm in prepatch for no reason
next thunder
outlaw is the only spec whehre i tryhard and read the guide and stuff and its still so punishing haha
keen belfry
I like that we can use both Prep and KIR in keys now. as opposed to the last bui...
atleast we get like a taste test of the appetizer and then the appetizer never comes and then main dish is missed too but we get a little taste at the start
glass mortar
thats pretty deep awang
lavish shoal
atleast we get like a taste test of the appetizer and then the appetizer never c...
So true
keen belfry
its nice atleast cuz
we get a lil taste of what they could do
if they cooked it
and then seasoned it
and then plated it
just many steps away
next thunder
its time for outlaw to shine - tired of losing to nagas withh daggers
upper hawk
and then served it.
and then refilled our water
and then ask if we saved room for dessert
i might be losing the point of this analogy
next thunder
also why is dagger OH a meta, come on blizz
keen belfry
the potential for outlaw is there, they just need something to it. then another thing, then probably something else too, then something again then another thing then we are cooking
next thunder
yeah but i'm still using a dag
next thunder
doesnt rlly matter
frail veldt
I donnu I just feel like with outlaw, I actually have to pay attention to muh ro...
youd be surprised how little damage you lose making mistakes now though
compared to before haha
so its not that you have to pay more attention its just that were really weak on pre patch rn tbh
beta seems more balanced
soft bobcat
2 options they can flat damage everything 5-10% or they can crank up killing spree damage I feel like pressing killing spree lacklustre right now even with jackpot
frail veldt
yeah its very nerfed
I think thats maybe intentional to make it not mandatory on both hero trees
which I do think is good
but they should prob give trickster some talents to increase its damage
instead of reduce its cd
cuz the ability is very very weak for whats supposed to be a flashy cooldown
soft bobcat
5-10% on everything would bring us inline I think though. Need at least one spec to compete with mage lock
soft bobcat
I do a bit more since Tuesday but mage and warlock are still like 20k ahead overall
Warrior got bent over
😔
round spindle
Warrior got bent over
Fury got bent?
glass mortar
i heard fury was ok they just lost all their build diversity
arms on the otherhand ive heard has way too much downtime
ive been meaning to setup my warrior but setting up a bunch of UIs with the new crap is just annoying and makes me not want to play with how ugly all this default stuff is
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rancid silo
how are you suppose to paly around deadly pursuit lol
glass mortar
how are you suppose to paly around deadly pursuit lol
you dont
rancid silo
oh lol
glass mortar
its intended to reduce the downside of forced downtime somewhat
it doesnt do much but it exists
grave rose
is there still a macro that will auto tricks the tank? or did that get borked?
hate using my focus for it
frosty python
any good solid Outlaws here mind taking a look at a log for a M+ prepatch dungeon? trying to see where my damage is bad --- i feel like im playing it the right way
glass mortar
outlaws damage is bad on prepatch
not that u cant post the log... not sure many people r looking at logs rn tho nobody really cares about minmaxing prepatch
(or none of the usual suspects in here who would look at it anyway)
frank finch
so your saying
frosty python
just at least to make sure im doing things right -- i know overall damage is bad etc compared to other specs. But i feel like i should higher on DPS for my gear in a 17 Halls key --
If anyone is bored and wants to check out this 17 Halls --- you can DM me your thoughts I don't mind. Opening to any pointers, or if I'm missing up time on something. I try to use combo points on the #6 or #7 CP
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/N29P4Tgy8nHYhdWR?fight=last
vivid vessel
that hunter is in my gyuild
also you are getting outdamaged by a mage thgat died twice while having warrior buff
skill issue ?
glass mortar
thats not very constructive zac
glass mortar
😠
ionic citrus
Gamers, can any1 help me to INCREASE party/raid members names? Outside plater works fine, but when u go inside a instance it becomes small again.
pure folio
just at least to make sure im doing things right -- i know overall damage is bad...
You should be using Blade Rush before BTE, also make sure you use SnD in the bubble. If you don't you need to prio dispatch for the buff
gaunt phoenix
just at least to make sure im doing things right -- i know overall damage is bad...
one thing i see is that you had a bad start cause you didnt use AR pre-key for Loaded Dice, and then opened with roll the bones before AR, therefore only starting with Stage 1 RTB
frosty python
appreciate those tips!! outlaw is fun af.. just trying to figure out the "why"s and "what"s.
frosty python
You should be using Blade Rush before BTE, also make sure you use SnD in the bub...
is blade rush not buffed by the BTE % dmg?
desert tendon
Zac how happy are u today
gaunt phoenix
which meant you were unable to kir, and speaking of kir, you only used it 6 times, seems a bit off
you generally kir immediately when you have stage 2 or higher rtb
blade rush is a cooldown so it has higher priority than finishers, or you lose cooldown reduction on it
pure folio
Another thing, you try to avoid this iirc. adrenaline rush time is valuable, and ks channel kinda wastes it
frosty python
you generally kir immediately when you have stage 2 or higher rtb
thats a good tip. was holding for stage 3 or jackpot
pure folio
is blade rush not buffed by the BTE % dmg?
u want the cdr for blade rush
gaunt phoenix
yeah if you find yourself about to AR into KS then you can instead KS first, though it's not a super big deal
glass mortar
its a big deal in my brain because it feels awful literally anytime u need to press ks during an ar
and thats more important then numbers 😠
pure folio
i agree
gaunt phoenix
sure, you can also hit KS and then cancel it with a finisher
craggy barn
they shoulda made ks an empowered spell, they seem to want to bring that style around to other classes anyways /s
frosty python
so Killing Spree does the same damage regardless of combo points or AR window?
glass mortar
no but it does bad damage and its expensive during the AR window
its near neutral to do that like solo said
so its doing enough damage to be ok to press during AR, and it is buffed by ar
pure folio
@frosty python
glass mortar
it just feels bad to spend a quarter of ur AR sitting watching a cast bar
gaunt phoenix
Ks is not something to worry about when you don't know outlaw all the way yet
craggy barn
solo is fb slightly ahead on beta just bc apex and level 90 talents?
frosty python
whats the opener in the bubble? just AR and then SnD?
gaunt phoenix
solo is fb slightly ahead on beta just bc apex and level 90 talents?
yeah, fatebound is more complete at level 90
frosty python
thank you fam
gaunt phoenix
and without having infinite haste like prepatch
fatebound CPs and energy matter more
craggy barn
im bored so imma play outlaw on dimmy this reclear. fb or trickster
gaunt phoenix
Trickster in prepatch
gaunt phoenix
@frosty python i would recraft what you can into crit haste
prepatch outlaw wants >30% haste
probably just fix that crit vers ring
craggy barn
use mana oil as well
gaunt phoenix
and should be close
velvet cedar
is outlaw really averaging 5k dps above the other 2 specs currently?
velvet cedar
ah, makes sense
undone notch
Would Shroud of Concealment be used if it gave a 20-30% move speed bonus to people it made invis?..
I’ve done a couple hundred Mythic runs this season and never had a single good use case for Shroud and was spitballing ideas that might improve it
haughty wigeon
random stirrup
Would Shroud of Concealment be used if it gave a 20-30% move speed bonus to peop...
sub has this (when they can talent it). turns out most dungeons are outdoors where mounting is still faster
craggy barn
Would Shroud of Concealment be used if it gave a 20-30% move speed bonus to peop...
sub has shroud movement as a talent and its still not a good reason to bring a rogue
shroud lost value bc priest can mind soothe as well
undone notch
random stirrup
zomb 🧠
undone notch
Nooooo
craggy barn
mind soothe is better than shroud
trim harbor
are there any stealable arcui profiles
random stirrup
sub's shroud ms is like 100% though, it's pretty good in certain indoor dungeons like theater of pain
craggy barn
yea its great if u have it
but it requires people to know what stealth is
and not walk ontop of mobs
random stirrup
they should just relax truesight
fathom bramble
I mean they added all this truesight specifically to restrict shroud
I don't think blizzard liked how effective shroud was
random stirrup
people do the same thing with meld now
craggy barn
it was pretty op as fuck back then
random stirrup
and mind soothe is an alternative, dont think it would be broken now
craggy barn
hard mode panda dungeons or whatever its called
soothe reduces sight distance of mobs
some mobs have larger stealth detection radius
fathom bramble
and mind soothe is an alternative, dont think it would be broken now
probably not as broken, but it's frustrating to exist in a meta where most popular routes require one of the 2 skip classes
craggy barn
the only thing rog can provide is damage
fathom bramble
I just think that the ultra skip metas that had shroud being so good weren't good for the game even though it helped us get into keys reliably
would be interesting to see less unique utility that helped us feel useful beyond damage imo
craggy barn
give us smoke bomb back
can just remove the los shit if they dont like that
or move buffs around
move windfury buff away from skyfury, give that to rogue
buoyant stratus
sub has this (when they can talent it). turns out most dungeons are outdoors whe...
Yeah you just have to spend one of your very valuable class talents for it xD
hearty lagoon
Guys im kinda new to wow but trying to learn, is mouseover kick bad for melee ?
the focus kick looks a little overwhelming idk ahah, maybe something i just need to get used to
narrow blaze
hey, is there any recommendation for embellishments (playing only m+)
vestal notch
Guys im kinda new to wow but trying to learn, is mouseover kick bad for melee ?
...
mouseover is good, since it helps kicking without having to tab/click enemy. Focus is rly good too, you just set an important caster as focus and kick it
craggy barn
u can do both
focus kick/mouseover macro can be the same thing, and it would just kick focus if u have it
hearty lagoon
focus kick/mouseover macro can be the same thing, and it would just kick focus i...
So nothing you would recommend more then the other ? just a prefrence thing ?
gaunt phoenix
hey, is there any recommendation for embellishments (playing only m+)
on beta, no idea. in prepatch, most people just have elemental focusing lens from last season but technically the dawnthread lining should be good for crit
craggy barn
i have no preference, but mouseover is fine
better than having to manually target swap
focus kick is much simpler since u only need to mouseover focus something at least once if u know what can be kicked
mouseover kick means u can miss if u mouseover the wrong thing
i do both in one macro to cover different situations
hearty lagoon
focus kick is much simpler since u only need to mouseover focus something at lea...
Ye true, thanks a lot !
narrow blaze
ty @gaunt phoenix
frail veldt
mouseover kick means u can miss if u mouseover the wrong thing
yeah its crazy to me people play with mouseover kick
even if youre missing only 2 or 3%
those misses can be wipes
and esp with how shitty the stacking is now with nameplates
vestal notch
i use both, sometimes i need to kick something that isnt my focus
keen belfry
Tab is op for that
vestal notch
i would rather not have to rely on it, specially on big pulls
covert kestrel
i dont use mouseover macro or focus, i click each name plate to kick and then click back to my target 
soft abyss
vestal notch
the what?
frail veldt
i use both, sometimes i need to kick something that isnt my focus
theres a secret
tab prioritizes casting mobs 😉
austere hawk
the cheating kick macro that abuses the tab target mechanic on casters
the what?
frail veldt
/nexttarget
/cast Kick
/targetlasttarget```what this macro does is if you see a mob casting that isnt your target
if you press this button itll swap to that target, kick them, then swap back to the target you were hitting before
its insanely op
vestal notch
that is indeed op
austere hawk
^ what I just typed
Dang okay
vapid sundial
Idk if thats cheating
vapid sundial
What was cheating was the not letting you miss kick macro
vapid sundial
I wonder how many players got fkd by it getting removed
frail veldt
since like mop or something afaik
vapid sundial
And were using it all that time
untold wadi
tab prioritizes casting mobs 😉
always felt like it was kinda smart, like it goes for what ur looking at
didn't know it actually does that tho
frail veldt
always felt like it was kinda smart, like it goes for what ur looking at
it does yeah
it has a few things going on
the tab functionality id argue is by far the highest quality thing blizzard has ever implemented into this game
untold wadi
lol
frail veldt
its genuinely amazing
vapid sundial
Makes sense.
frail veldt
compared to literally all the other garbage they make
I think it was made a long time ago
vapid sundial
Have to make the game playable with one hand so you can goon to the bare feet of xal
vestal notch
whispyr already does that
vapid sundial
Writers barely disguised fetish
untold wadi
same as briar fan service
tender wedge
need to rename ability to Between the Toes
heavy shadow
Anyone found a good platynator setting? mine looks like ass
frank finch
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frank finch
idk
heavy shadow
ah found it, power widget
safe pasture
what spec looking the best rn for keys?
tender wedge
red one, blue one, purple one
kidding i know what you mean
hard to know because a) no one is playing rogue and b) all rogue specs look terrible compared to the ones that are overtuned
but the answer seems to be "not assassination"
safe pasture
fair its weird i dont hate how any of them feel rn but i dont love it either they all feel so underwhelming compared to pre tuning
or pre rework i mean
like burst feels more mid on sub, outlaw feels slow(ish?)
like just feels off
tender wedge
if i had to put money on it, i'd say sub purely because it has great burst - but the boss damage is pretty atrocious
safe pasture
so sad
tender wedge
comparatively great burst
there'll almost certainly be more tuning though so not much point getting too worried about whats gonna be "best"
safe pasture
ya just was curious kit wise whats looking the most promising just now starting to dabble in all the re works and stuff
tender wedge
well this is my personal take having played around for a few weeks
cinder relic
what spec looking the best rn for keys?
For rogue, sub or otl with current tuning. For other specs, demo, arcane, dk, survival I think
tender wedge
assassination changes are absolutely a positive - so much good QoL stuff (eg restealthing not as important as before), CT change is kinda neat for bleed spreading, all the fun execute stuff you had before is still there. but it seems tuned a bit lower than you'd like so it always feels kinda bad
sub has been crazily simplified but it retains its bursty niche so that's always going to be the most desired in a vacuum
outlaw changes seem to be polarising, i like them, and it's been quite highly tuned until it took a wee nerf recently but it's still a pretty flat profile
safe pasture
ty. im assuming sin best prio dam of the 3 ?
tender wedge
yeah i'd say so, sub gets some benefit and can hit evis instead of black powder if playing trickster
tender wedge
just my thoughts, others may feel different
granite merlin
I can say irregardless of numbers assassin is VERY enjoyable to play in keys.
I wanted to hate CT but it’s a REALLY good change
granite merlin
Spark is 100% right sub is stupidly easy but the dopamine of massive burst makes it feel fun hahahah
I do t know why
I should hate the ezness
tender wedge
all 3 specs feel nice imo but ultimately nothing has changed in terms of why you would take a rogue
other than whatever ends up after tuning
but if you're playing for fun then i think you're all good
granite merlin
When I’m looking for m+ groups I always filter to “looking for damage reduction”
tender wedge
🫡
granite merlin
In three years I still haven’t seen the inside of a dungeon
leaden sonnet
Problem with sub is that unless theres a meta shaman spec sub cant really be meta
As you kinda need skyfury
8% 
granite merlin
Also if you have a shaman for lust that’s one spot then paladin, dk, or Druid for your battle Rez, then a monk warrior or DH for the damage boost and then…..oh 🙁
vestal notch
no you take the ones dealing the most dmg
glass mortar
wonder how big skyfury is for outlaw to
tender wedge
It’s like 5 or 6% still according to fuus sheet
Sky fury is massive for all melee I think (maybe not surv?)
vivid vessel
Problem with sub is that unless theres a meta shaman spec sub cant really be met...
its the same with outlaw
and you just play a sham healer anyway
loud garden
when was the last time a shaman spec wasnt good anyway
even in DF they were sleeper meta
well, enhance was before it became a class wide buff
fathom bramble
people will find a way to cram them into any comp with 2 melee when skyfury is this strong
and they bring lust ofc
maybe "cram them in" is too extreme
more like they will just fit in nicely
loud garden
honestly its just wild how they didnt think making a dh spec use int would be problematic
now people will play brew without any phys classes
gg
glass mortar
wat
leaden sonnet
If a spell does physical damage it gets buffed by monk debuff
vapid sundial
I'm trying to remember what class buff it was that has some jank to it
I remember we talked about it here before
But it's been awhile
vivid vessel
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glass mortar
i was literally about to respond with that fact as well 
i remembered it from back then
vapid sundial
Which is some jank
glass mortar
is it
glass mortar
wdym classify
vapid sundial
As magic or phys, etc
glass mortar
theres multiple damage types in the game that are a mix of phys/bunch of others
like
at least 4 or 5
leaden sonnet
Idk rogue doesnt have anything that does mixed
fathom bramble
a good rule of thumb is that composite damage counts as whatever is most damage for the calculation you are doing
vapid sundial
Yes
fathom bramble
yeah cosmic is
leaden sonnet
Well yes, but not mixed with phys
glass mortar
sin and outlaw have mixed
fathom bramble
but it's like 4 magic things so it barely matters
vapid sundial
If you look at the post I linked
glass mortar
oh sure yea
fathom bramble
it might as well just say "nature"
vapid sundial
What I'm saying is id like it to be more clear cut than needing to use logs to figure it out
glass mortar
idk "uses the biggest mod" is pretty clear cut rule to me
fathom bramble
Well yes, but not mixed with phys
can't believe shadowstrike doesn't do shadowstrike damage
leaden sonnet
vapid sundial
Okay but how do you know which mod is bigger
Some stuff it was harder to figure that out
glass mortar
uh
well u usually look at the two mods and see which one is bigger
wasnt dh's bigger
glass mortar
ye so it literally doesnt matter u just get to benefit from both
vry nice
i should say either, not both
makes ur comps more flexible tho
nova sinew
They gotta nuke everything to 3% and remove wind fury from skyfury
nova sinew
Melee penalty for no reason
fathom bramble
best solution is to disable raidbuffs in keys
vapid sundial
Idk why they are intent on ruining enhance
fathom bramble
anything else is a half measure
vapid sundial
best solution is to disable raidbuffs in keys
And give m+ talents for Rez / lust etc
fathom bramble
dial them all down to 3% and now you just have a 12% difference between the no buffs and all buffs setup
round spindle
Idk why they are intent on ruining enhance
What are they doing to enhance?
vapid sundial
What are they doing to enhance?
What haven't they done to enhance
Bored Dev syndrome
round spindle
What haven't they done to enhance
Well yeah, but that goes for pretty much everyone at this point, doesn't it?
round spindle
Like removing capacitor from WW. I can't conceive of any justification for that.
glass mortar
just make so m+ dungeons have an npc that gives u all the buffs or something idk
raid buffs r kinda ok in raid
less toxic anywya
i dont think its particularly interesting how they handicap some specs and railroad them into a comp with multiple classes locked in every season just cause those raidbuffs are 10%+ of ur dps
thats a pretty substantial number
for a 5 man group
vapid sundial
And in comes Aug evoker with a steel chair
round spindle
just make so m+ dungeons have an npc that gives u all the buffs or something idk
Make them like affixes that apply with key levels?
random stirrup
i dont think its particularly interesting how they handicap some specs and railr...
hmm today i'll take uhh a free 3% versatility
cinder relic
anything else is a half measure
Feel like the scrolls should just not be removed
wintry solar
Real tbh
fathom bramble
Scrolls could be a fix if they were as strong as the buffs themselves
If they are half as strong and not available for all buffs like before then it remains a half-fix
But a half fix is better than no fix
Needing to bring 10+ different consumes to some keys might also be a less than ideal situation
arctic merlin
not taking shadowrunner, do we realistically ever need stealth apart from vanish to drop combat/aggro
frosty python
if Shaman give 2% Mastery and 20% to instantly strike again...
Why does Mark of the Wild only benefit Rogues like 2.3 or 2.4%? If Vers is 3% - why is not a flat 3% increase to damage?
vivid vessel
because the profile does not have 0% vers
if it did
it would be a flat 3% amp damage
but you start with some
frosty python
Im kinda stupid... so like a diminishing returns on 3% vers?
vivid vessel
yes thats how vers works cause
say i do 100 damage
and i get 10% vers
now i do 110 damage
10% more
but lets add 10% more vers again
its not 10% more damage now
cause you start from 110 to 120
which is
9%
you get me ?
keen belfry
Why does this hurt my brain
glass mortar
do u play diablo at all
actually nvm i cba trying to simplify it zacs explanation is fine
frosty python
you get me ?
Sort of following that. Just weird it would say 3% and most everyone assumes this means 3% flat increase. But im following it enough to get it. Thank you.
keen belfry
Like i understand the math but yeah mhm
cinder relic
Deminishing efficiency
lethal oak
Just Mastery stack this is the way
keen belfry
so why dont u gain 10% of 110 instead
fathom bramble
everything has that normal diminishing return where the more you have of something the less relative value it has
vapid blaze
no i mean they are multiplicative instead of additive
fathom bramble
going from +10% haste to +20% haste isn't as much of a relative increased as going from +0% to +10%
oh multiplicative is only hastee
vapid blaze
the individual bonuses
vapid blaze
hp and main stat too ?
vapid blaze
and i swear mastery too
but maybe im cooked
vapid blaze
mhm im cooked then
fathom bramble
haste is also the only stat that shows as a + in the stat sheet
vapid blaze
but main stat and stamina are?