outlaw

[wintry solar]

Flag/db/gsw

[cobalt token]

yeah and paralyze poison that just stuns enemies every 0.2 seconds

[wintry solar]

like a real pve/pvper

[modest nova]

we KIR at lvl 2+ right ?

[cobalt token]

on hit

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[pastel pendant]

I respectfully disagree I think this version is the worst version I’ve ever had the terribly unfortunate experience playing and I dread the future of this spec and this game in general

[wintry solar]

I lowkey just do it on 3+ because I shit out jackpots I ain't even gonna lie.

[cobalt token]

ay atleast if the spec dies out were gonna have easy parses

[cinder relic]

I used er the whole time basically

[cobalt token]

🗣️

[cinder relic]

Then go away

Literally just leave

[wintry solar]

Nah, spec will live. Players not so much.

[mighty pivot]

are we having that discussion again?

[shell fossil]

my buddy had one boomkin ahead of them on the leaderboard this season for timing some 16s on their realm

[cobalt token]

yk what i meant

less players easier top 100 parses

[wintry solar]

Mmmm 100 parses

Whatever takes tbh

[cobalt token]

what other one are we ever having

[mighty pivot]

top 100 but grey parse!

[cobalt token]

doom is the only thing happening here

[cobalt token]

still top 100

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-doom-doom-death-battle-vs-debate-gif-27228804

[cobalt token]

maybe purple at top 5 parses world

[wintry solar]

Kitty comes Thursday, sister wants to go with me to pick him up.

[shell fossil]

on the upside

it physically can't get any lower in this

[cobalt token]

and you said it

fuck you

[mighty pivot]

or steal him is he an orange cat? You'd be an orange cat if you were a cat

[cobalt token]

30% overall nerf incoming next patch

and theyre getting rid of roll the bones

and adding nothing

[wintry solar]

I don't actually know yet :D

Is a secret

[wintry solar]

That's the second time I've heard that

[shell fossil]

emperor_heresy.mp4

[cobalt token]

i might try to just force outlaw in midnight regardless

[mighty pivot]

how? is it a gift from someone else?

[cobalt token]

atleast ill be unique

not in the good way

[wintry solar]

My cousin has some

[mighty pivot]

aaah I see

[iron fable]

Didnt play a lot of old outlaw, but had a weakaura that did a happy cling when i got good buffs and it so rarely happened most of the time i rolled and it said shit rolls, didnt look that fun

[mighty pivot]

patch arrived in eu today. rip my talents

[wintry solar]

Oh new talents arrive?

I've not been on in a week

[mighty pivot]

no

[wintry solar]

:<

[mighty pivot]

they just increase the gating of them

[wintry solar]

Boooooo

[mighty pivot]

so you cannot get as much anymore

[wintry solar]

What da helly

[mighty pivot]

only 2 capstones in class tree now until you hit 90

[cobalt token]

[wintry solar]

That's just unnecessary

[cobalt token]

Don't we like avoid capstone's anyways

[wintry solar]

No

[mighty pivot]

class tree

[cobalt token]

Ah

[cobalt token]

Better than 0 thp

[wintry solar]

I can live with 6cp

[cobalt token]

Imagine no killing spree

Until patch

[fossil jay]

so which spec is the best performing one now in beta

[mighty pivot]

wdym you can't skip stratagem anyway

[wintry solar]

In the class tree

[shell fossil]

depends on your gear

[mighty pivot]

yes in class tree

[shell fossil]

you're not gonna help the party 2 chest anything right now

[wintry solar]

Wtf

[mighty pivot]

this is our life until 90 now

[wintry solar]

If I'm gonna be reduced to 2, I want one less CP

[shell fossil]

2 weeks and change

blizz why :c

[cobalt token]

Okay it might genuinely be over

[shell fossil]

buuuuuut also no bugs at the start of the expansion is pretty coo

[cobalt token]

I agree with the doomer

[wintry solar]

True

[wintry solar]

It's so over (for 2 and a half weeks)

[shell fossil]

someone using that grippy toy on rasha nan to end the boss phase in dawnbreaker

in season 1

i think probably set off some alarm bells

[wintry solar]

This is news to me

Alarm bells to what

[shell fossil]

ye afair you could use this green toy to forcibly move bosses in s1 i think it got used on sikran to force a kill also the rep exploits i guess

https://tenor.com/view/main-gif-gif-26624917

mystery lol

[wintry solar]

And here I was doing my runs like a sucker

There I was*

[unique fulcrum]

!guide

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[cobalt token]

EXACTLY

thats so long

smh

[wintry solar]

They should buff me and only me

[cobalt token]

exactly man

[wintry solar]

I want to be the only one playing outlaw

No

Get out

[cobalt token]

nuhuh

im getting my 200% dev dmg buff

so the spec is shit

unless im playing it

[wintry solar]

Mom says it's my turn with outlaw rogue

[wintry solar]

We weren't this bad until you came around

Food for thought

[cobalt token]

blame space feet

not me

[pastel pendant]

I’m allowed to have an opinion that differs from yours

Sorry if that makes u upset

[cobalt token]

tbf i dont disagree with him obv youre allowed a opinion but like genuinely if youre dooming this class this hard

why not just yk

reroll

and stop thinkin bout it

[shell fossil]

i mean killing floor 3 vs killing floor 2 is right there

its just objectively not as good as 2 https://www.youtube.com/shorts/6ftiZUx-wLE

[wintry solar]

I like 3 a lot

:)

I like weapon upgrading

[shell fossil]

there's an attention to detail that got lost in 3 but it's not baaad

[wintry solar]

Naw

Now

It ain't by any means anywhere near as good as 2

But 3 is good in its own right

All the depth that went into weapons and materials and stuff should've went into the maps and zeds

In my honest and experienced opinion

Why is there a loadout budget when loading into a game?

We shouldn't be able to spawn with a loadout anyway

[shell fossil]

the ceo left the company as well as one of the senior designers

[wintry solar]

Oh

[shell fossil]

and they had to pick up the pieces after da fact

[wintry solar]

Damn

[shell fossil]

yea zamn :p

[wintry solar]

There was no chance

As least its a good game

[shell fossil]

idk it's not hard to redo their path to making a good kf game tho just make another rising storm/red orchestra

[wintry solar]

Perks tied to characters was awful. I'm so glad they backtracked eventually.

[shell fossil]

idk you could actually get your ankles chewed off in 1, the movement tech feels too safe

was lowkey holding out for a port of 2's everything to the 3 engine and i'd probably buy it

[wintry solar]

I'd probably buy it. Is there an update for 3 anytime soon? I haven't played since nov

[shell fossil]

nah who knows what tripwire is doing these days

[wintry solar]

Killing floor classic >.>

[maiden tartan]

does it matter much if i have a dagger in offhand?

[wintry solar]

1%

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[maiden tartan]

oh ty sir

[wintry solar]

You're welcome

Wanna see my dog?

[shell fossil]

lol sure

[mighty pivot]

smol dawg

[wintry solar]

She's a good ol dog though

Ugly as sin but her personality makes up for it

She's unaware about the cat I'm getting. I'll break the news when I get home

[warped pasture]

Dude looks like he knows the good routes her a nice snack

[mighty pivot]

she's not ugly wtf. you are ugly

[wintry solar]

I just got a good angle

I am, in fact, ugly.

[mighty pivot]

ye I know

[wintry solar]

Yeah

This isn't news to me

Goober

I miss my horse though

[mighty pivot]

good. I'd hate to break it to you

you should get a goat

[wintry solar]

Dyde

Dude

It's so crazy you say that. I'm actually getting 2.

[mighty pivot]

good, goats are cute

[wintry solar]

And they'll landscape for me :)

[mighty pivot]

I used to bottle feed goats as a kid. good times

[pastel pendant]

Cuz I love this spec

Or what it used to be

[wintry solar]

I never did that but I made cheese with their milk

Once

[mighty pivot]

my grandparents did that, I only observed the process and ate the cheese

[wintry solar]

I bottle fed baby raccoons and other woodland creatures with my granny

Possum, my favorite was the skunk

[mighty pivot]

I still don't understand this weird pvp flag bug

[wintry solar]

What's the bug

Zone in and guards attack?

[mighty pivot]

no war mode or explicit pvp flag on, but I sometimes get attacked by people

then they die

and I can attack them back once they hit me. It might have to do with pets

[wintry solar]

That must be very new

[mighty pivot]

at least since first prepatch

happened in blades edge too at the event with the 500 people

[paper rivet]

What's our best option for simming pre patch atm in aoe ? Is Dslice accurate ?

[mighty pivot]

dslice yes

[fallow fractal]

is the patch a nerf or a buff

[livid junco]

feels like a crazy nerf on dummy's

auto attack ever was at 2nd place in AOE

not its like on 8 or less

energy too feels horrible to me

[livid junco]

ou, now it was on 5 .

[unkempt dew]

Oh did they make any energy changes?

[nova blaze]

anyone knows how i can see my personal ressource bar ? i activated it so it shows during combat but it doesnt show up at all

[polar kelp]

Do you have Sensei? If not go download that

Itl help a lot with resource bar things

[nova blaze]

will try that thanks

[ionic citrus]

came here for this. Doing a 19 right now feeling energy starve more even than b4. Any updates on that?

[gaunt phoenix]

beta or prepatch?

only energy thing that changed is recommended talents shifted around a bit

[livid junco]

pre-patch

cause beta nothing changed to the weeks before or?

checked in pre on dummy's and it feels very weak to yesterday

[gaunt phoenix]

our dps was nerfed but nothing should have directly changed energy

[livid junco]

auto attack dmg nerf is insane

[shell fossil]

more than a few people noted that energy regen was lower than they wanted in prepatch though

[livid junco]

they changed energy reg cause they have changed rogue tree u cant pick double energy regg without lose finisher dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

We should still go thistle tea

[shell fossil]

combat potency is still the same right?

[ionic citrus]

Bro LMAO... Auto attack really went from 2nd dmg to 8-9th.

[shell fossil]

just rng proc city

[livid junco]

insane or?

[ionic citrus]

?

[livid junco]

its a dmg loss around 20k on dummys to me

[gaunt phoenix]

they had no reason to send beta tuning into prepatch yeah

[ionic citrus]

im doing 19's.

[gaunt phoenix]

bit weird

[shell fossil]

did an ak18 today and felt it at a few points, just chalked it up to rng while out of cds

oh wait it's 16% baseline now instead of an offhand proc

[gaunt phoenix]

wdym

[shell fossil]

i might be remembering the old version

pasted this mentally as to how it worked in tww etc

[gaunt phoenix]

this talent certainly didnt change yesterday

[shell fossil]

oh okay yeah so rng city

[livid junco]

changed roll system for less rng , does this:

kekw

[ionic citrus]

Remember theres changes outside patch notes. Blizzard does not announce everything honestly everytime.

[mighty pivot]

we have checked the spell data too

what balance changes were on beta are now on live too, that's all

[ionic citrus]

How much haste are u guys getting on beta? I managed to get 17% max.

[shell fossil]

30% with a haste fiber

[ionic citrus]

?

[mighty pivot]

he is talking about beta

[ionic citrus]

BETA.

[shell fossil]

doy lol

[ionic citrus]

lmao

[mighty pivot]

you can get like 22% just with vendor gear and crafts on beta, and hit 25% with consums

[ionic citrus]

Yeah ... I did not craft yet

will tonight

[mighty pivot]

@gaunt phoenix cat (she's melting on the heated mat)

[wintry solar]

I told my dog about the new cat, she seems excited

[mighty pivot]

she probably thinks she's getting a steak

[wintry solar]

well

I did say "you want a cat here?" a bunch very energetically but I like to believe she knows what im talking about

[mighty pivot]

similar with people in here then

[shell fossil]

forgot to post cat earlier

[wintry solar]

never ever a bad time for cat

[mighty pivot]

loafin'

[shell fossil]

ye he's learning to be a bro

only occasionally feeds himself these days lol

[maiden carbon]

Hi everyone, does anyone have a good talent build? I'm short on points 🙁

[pastel sierra]

Check pins

[jolly geyser]

you will prolly melt first

[wintry solar]

Ninjarobot has blue RGB

The best RGB

[mighty pivot]

if it's just blue then it's only B

I am fairly sure I chose that colour because it was the most subtle of the presets

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[wintry solar]

Hellooo

[wintry solar]

I choose my color based one the game I'm playing

Unless it's WoW, I change it based on the spec

I ❤️ RGB

[mighty pivot]

does your truck have rgb?

[wintry solar]

Only my pc, mouse, and keyboard

[mighty pivot]

or your guns

[wintry solar]

Yes my guns

[mighty pivot]

rgb m1 garand

[wintry solar]

Lights and lasers

[wintry solar]

Maybe one day

[mighty pivot]

I actually don't like rgb. I have it disabled on everything except my case

[wintry solar]

Yeah a lot of people dont

I'm just full of whimsy and child like wonder

[shell fossil]

always felt like rbg took away from low light ambience but solid colors are ye for me

black lights etc

[jolly geyser]

I just see some green from my gpu (barely)

[wintry solar]

Yeah rn all I have on is the rgb from the GPU I can't turn off

[keen belfry]

Huge build today

[mighty pivot]

frfr

[formal thunder]

brother, did they seriously already adjust the class tree gates??

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, tbf, the original way was not intended

[untold wadi]

ripped apart my gpu to remove the stupid backlight u can't turn off even with software

[jolly geyser]

heh

[formal thunder]

am I misremembering or is does this prepatch feel way more like "this is already the expansion patch, we just spaghetti coded a bunch of stuff in to block players from getitng to the new stuff", than previous prepatches ?

[untold wadi]

and then of course openRGB to avoid using any disgusting memory/mobo manufacturer's bloatware to set all the lights to off

[proven ocean]

Why does it feel like ravenholdt pfp got changed

[untold wadi]

cuz it did

[proven ocean]

Looks slightly different

[formal thunder]

changed from christmas to default

[proven ocean]

Oh it did?

[untold wadi]

yea

[proven ocean]

Not like that

No

Like

The swords

[untold wadi]

its like, lighter green/glowing/flowing?

lil smoother

[proven ocean]

Yea it looks smoother idk

[untold wadi]

just yesterday

[jolly geyser]

think there are like 4 versions

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix confirm?

[untold wadi]

i need all four files

[jolly geyser]

gotta ask some mod

[ionic citrus]

HOA 18 with a good group
I stand corrected about my melee conspiracy shit.

[untold wadi]

ya know it kinda looks like those light saber swords from tazavesh

[mighty pivot]

coup and ks damage

[tropic zephyr]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[ionic citrus]

its not about coup its about the buff ✨

[keen belfry]

The 5 stacks

[ionic citrus]

KS is the worst key to press since ever

[keen belfry]

What’s your melee conspiracy

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/tin-foil-hat-jabrils-foil-hat-put-on-a-hat-wearing-a-hat-gif-18223681

[gaunt phoenix]

it's true, though simc will scrape changes to the client files and detect most undocumented things

[mighty pivot]

who knows what secrets solo is keeping from us

[crimson arch]

hey, maybe one of u can help me here. I wanna move the damagemeter all the way to the right but for some reason this is the furthest it can go. I also tried to move it using the mover menu in the enhaveqol addon but it doesnt work.

[bronze wadi]

does anyone know what the fastest or the hardest spec in the game is after the changes in pre patch

[cinder relic]

Fury is fast, outlaw is fast, devourer is like

Low button count, but is very much like breath/uhuh

Where u have these extremely punishing damage windows

[quasi verge]

enhance is pretty fast paced too

pretty much always have a button to press

[tough night]

Heya 'll a quick question if i may?
will we play outlaw In the midnight release as fatebound or still trickster!?
Thanks in advance

[untold wadi]

moveit addon

[quasi verge]

current sims favor fatebound

[untold wadi]

pretty sure u gotta force the version to work tho

its like devtools addon

[quasi verge]

solos pin goes into more detail tho @tough night

[upbeat widget]

Are people not taking heightened rush? On pre patch

Menacing rush** ^

[quasi verge]

we are currently

[gaunt phoenix]

We use menacing rush

Midnight release will be fatebound, especially when we are low on haste

[tough night]

thanks brother

[gaunt phoenix]

when geared, trickster is close but it still doesnt offer a whole lot

[tough night]

thanks a lot my friend!!

[quasi verge]

i will miss u perma tricks

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dough-kneading-gif-2206063027120674946

[keen belfry]

nervous for massive build todaya

gonna shake up outlaw

[jolly geyser]

giga build mega hell

[rancid silo]

Does haste soft cap still exist

[gaunt phoenix]

more or less. except energy is so shit you need giga haste either way

[rancid silo]

how much we looking at

% base rn

[gaunt phoenix]

30% in prepatch, up to 25% in beta

[rancid silo]

[soft abyss]

@keen belfry is the bar in wago ? or only curseforge ?

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-invisible-scratch-paw-paws-gif-26104554

[pearl gull]

Hello chat

I just made a rogue

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[pearl gull]

I got beef with the grappling hook

It never pulls me to where I click!!

[keen belfry]

cursefart

cuirseforge

[soft abyss]

oh ok any plans for wago ? I hate having to download again 3 hubs for addons 😛

[unreal ermine]

what

[pearl gull]

I throw my chain, I see it fly out. Then nothing.

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah game sucks

[unreal ermine]

sometimes it lets u throw it to somewhere u shouldnt able to and it just does that

[gaunt phoenix]

grapple breaks a lot in the open world

[hasty warren]

nice feature

[jolly geyser]

flavor

[mighty pivot]

make sure you have unobstructed line of sight

[covert kestrel]

Also breaks more if you're a short race

[pearl gull]

I am a shortie

Racist game

[jolly geyser]

just feel tall and pray or some shit,idk

[river wing]

I hate that KS does so little while being one of the most punchy, most awesome buttons in the entire game

[low glade]

did you guys see zorthas' house tour

[river wing]

why'd they even nerf it so hard

[low glade]

is this peak peformance?

[river wing]

bruh and I thought I was messy

[low glade]

this is what 9/10 players whose io starts with 39 live like

💀

[keen belfry]

i didnt even know addons were on wago

[fervent garden]

wow. tidy.

[mighty pivot]

he hasn't cleaned in years

[jolly geyser]

got the dogs out also

[low glade]

all that content for free

[keen belfry]

like guys

why does he just air out his mess like that

hes literally airing out his dirty laundry

[mighty pivot]

this is how popo's house looks like too

[keen belfry]

i bet

poopo

[ebon reef]

can you get to lvl 90 now?

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[ebon reef]

ah great

all my talents are fucked

lovely

[gaunt phoenix]

class tree gate got changed

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert kestrel]

back, we are?

[gaunt phoenix]

we're so barack

[frank finch]

oh nvm baited

unlucky

[coarse parcel]

!addon

!addons

[covert kestrel]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[coarse parcel]

thanks

[keen belfry]

!wang

!wangbar

!wangwang

[gaunt phoenix]

!wang

[covert kestrel]

!wangbar

!wangui

[low glade]

!wangbar

[keen belfry]

@mighty pivot

nr?

[vivid vessel]

whats nr

[lethal oak]

15% all damage reduction inc.

[keen belfry]

ninjar rorobot.

[buoyant stratus]

Neez rutz

[young mango]

hello lads, is outlaw playable ? i have been playing in dragonflight offmeta rogue xD and i got stacked, i had no team and i did 24 keys in s2 and i couldnot do more. so is it gonna be the same in midnight ? )

[lethal oak]

[keen belfry]

u can play it for sure, ive logged in many ttimes on it

[young mango]

in pugs it was unplayable, back in the days xD i totally missed the War within. so i have no idea whats going on today. nobody was joining on my keys and never received the inv from grps xD. so i dont want to have the same situation xD. people are meta slaves in pugs...

[keen belfry]

it maY or may not be meta

depends on if it is or isnt

[craggy barn]

if u want a high chance of being puggable, mage

or some luster

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw meta is perhaps unlikely

[lethal oak]

Rogue*

[craggy barn]

rog in general isnt likely unless its absolutely nuts

we provide nothing unique

[young mango]

assa got buffed and its still garbage xD ?

[keen belfry]

even when rogue is good its not meta, so yes i wouldnt bet on it

it has a lack of things, not just numbers, that are weird for meta

raid buff, util, etc

[craggy barn]

if u want to infer based on all the data we have. the answer is rog is no since we are likely just middle of the pack

we provide no unique or necessary utility

[mighty pivot]

seems to be the same build as on live

[craggy barn]

so even more no

[keen belfry]

Fix it

[mighty pivot]

I've already grounded solo for that. No ice cream for him tonight

[keen belfry]

He’s gonna get more ice cream

He doesn’t listen anymore

Rebellion arc

[young mango]

i wish rog to have a slot in pugs on high keys... thanks for info lads

[lethal oak]

Just be Zac and force your team to give you phys buffs

[low glade]

asus rog?

[craggy barn]

if blind stays bugged to be aoe that might be useful pepw

[young mango]

?

[craggy barn]

24sec aoe blind cd isnt bad

[fervent garden]

!wangbar

sorry late on that

catching up

[keen belfry]

Imagine instead of assa rogue it’s asus rog and just short circuits the enemies usb ports

[young mango]

@low gladeany of em

[coarse parcel]

@vivid vessel I think I asked already but I forgor, what do you use to change texture of party & raid frame ?

[low glade]

these are the kind of cooks we need

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[covert kestrel]

Mfw my face when discord scans me

[low glade]

love peter thiel, simple as

[covert kestrel]

Me when mossad requires me to scan my face to access my anime foot fetish channels

[vivid vessel]

nothing rn

i was using suf in tww

but its discountinued

[coarse parcel]

suf was goated

[vivid vessel]

and i think unalted doesnt do party and raid

[low glade]

when are you releasing your outlaw video guide?

[vivid vessel]

what guide do you need

midnight outlaw

[low glade]

just a walk through of how the spec functions yknow

[keen belfry]

ze outlaw can be played by ze baby now

-zac

[low glade]

klaus schwab plays outlaw?

holy pog i literally had no idea

[keen belfry]

oui

[pastel pendant]

Yeah no guide needed to play outlaw now

[keen belfry]

zach is here

lets go

[vivid vessel]

fuck you zach

making my name look bad ..

[pastel pendant]

That’s mean

[vivid vessel]

yes

im sorry

great name btw

[keen belfry]

i acciidentally just dm'd zach

bnut i still think this zach guy is moot

[vivid vessel]

[keen belfry]

on a new acc

[vivid vessel]

he isnt bro

he is legit the omcplete opposite of moot

moot was r1 ragebaiter

[unkempt dew]

Is he still French?

[keen belfry]

yeah i think hje just switched up his vibe

[undone notch]

Is there ever like, a use case for Gouge?

[vivid vessel]

well its an interrupt

its for keys

[undone notch]

Its really cool flavorwise and was wondering if it was ever worth using over the blind talent at the same tier

[vivid vessel]

an interrupt that doesnt put on cd

no

well

the blind talent still make blind aoe

[undone notch]

At least after they fix... y'know

[vivid vessel]

if thats fixed

one day

we will play gouge instead

cause gouge is + 1 cc

and that blind talent if it s not aoe

is useless

[quaint mauve]

le outlaw

[jolly geyser]

@vivid vessel does the interrupt macro still work btw? the nearest casting etc

[vivid vessel]

yes

its just how the game behave when ytou tab target

they cant change that

[jolly geyser]

ye

unless

[keen belfry]

ik always forget zac isnt better than me

he just has better macros

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[vivid vessel]

i mean if they remove the ability to do it with macro

you can legit use a macro outside the game

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel macro merchant

[vivid vessel]

that tabs kick shift tab

easy enough

[keen belfry]

zacMM

[vivid vessel]

yo wangus

how its doing

i gotta make food

im starting to get hungry

[keen belfry]

what u making?

[vivid vessel]

awrrr

idk

[keen belfry]

pizza taco?

[vivid vessel]

pastas i guess

pastas always good no

[keen belfry]

plural pastas

im gonna make chicken burrito for lunch

let me guess u dont even cook ur food

u macro it

/cast boil water
/cast add pasta

[jolly geyser]

I had sosig&veg stew with taters

[covert kestrel]

its a social experiment by moot to be the opposite of moot

[keen belfry]

yes

harvard social experiement

[covert kestrel]

hahvahd

[keen belfry]

who was that

threw ass on the timeline back in like 2012

and ended up being social experiement

[jolly geyser]

forsen

[keen belfry]

timmythick

[gaunt phoenix]

should i google this at work

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-feel-lucky-punk-dirty-harry-clint-eastwood-gif-16607128

[pastel pendant]

i joined after prepatch cuz im mad they cutchered outlaw

that is all

and im still not happy

this will be hgard to get over

[covert kestrel]

zach vs zac

[jolly geyser]

Nobody is forcing you to play

so idk

[pastel pendant]

yes but i complain

becuz i care

[jolly geyser]

we did it early, didnt matter

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-why-shouldnt-i-lotr-bilbo-bilbo-why-shouldnt-i-why-shouldnt-i-lord-of-the-rings-gif-17096479

[jolly geyser]

[pastel pendant]

sorry the world isnt sunshine and rainbows

evreything sucks now

[ionic citrus]

delete this comment please. u screwed my joke.

[jolly geyser]

you dont say

[untold wadi]

[steep rampart]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[jolly geyser]

wonder if that works

[ionic citrus]

2s prior to the start or u'll use it only for 15s.

[keen belfry]

its nothing crazy

and solo can u add vibes stuff to the prekey command

like play good music

and

tell yourr team GLHF

[upbeat widget]

Outlaw so undesirable I made top 50 NA in a week of playing the spec 😂 not that it matters anymore pre patch is dead

[lime lake]

can meowdy officially be added to prekey command

[hasty warren]

it's the same person don't be fooled

[pastel pendant]

yea outlaw dmg is 🤮 the gameplay is 🤮 🤮 even worse....

[upbeat widget]

Definitely in the high effort low reward category in terms of dmg but I find it super fun to play but then again I’m new to it so I don’t know how much “better” it was.

[pastel pendant]

dont even get me started...... outlaw was so much fun before

[tender wedge]

You gotta admire the persistence

[silk stirrup]

Outlaw is so boring now and does 0 damage wtf have they done

[hasty warren]

Do the fact aug gonna be good in M+ makes outlaw less attractive for key ?

[tender wedge]

Outlaw hit my car in the parking lot and didn’t even leave their info

[low glade]

outlaw dont need help from anyone to be unattractive for keys

[hasty warren]

ye but I mean in S1 we were less taken than assa mainly because we're bad with aug buffs

well not only for this reason

[pastel pendant]

welcome to outlaw rogue in midnight

these devs think were idiots

idk

[fervent garden]

Insert yo mama so fat joke here...

[low glade]

this is how it feels on beta rn

idk how arcane and demo are getting away with it

[tender wedge]

They’ll get nerfed

[hasty warren]

ahah poop

[shy meteor]

[gaunt phoenix]

popo

[pastel pendant]

doesnt matter

the class is fundamentally ass to play

[fluid moon]

Hard copium

[pastel pendant]

on every level

[gaunt phoenix]

how would you fix it?

[tender wedge]

Is it? When was the last time something got to be 20% better than anything else come raid release?

[pastel pendant]

revert prepatch changes ez

lol

[tender wedge]

Excusing that Pres evoker s1 shit lol

[pastel pendant]

how often u getting crackshots now with new hero talents

[hasty warren]

I'm not a big fan of RTB changes, even if I'm aware it's necessary to make it easier

[pastel pendant]

tbh thats the leasst of my complaints, did i prefer old rtb? yea but just removing the under handed upper hand and vanish windows stuff is the problem

id be cool with new trtb changes if they kept the other stuff

[hasty warren]

I don't think removing the stealth stuff is the issue. It more that what we have left is flavorless

[cinder relic]

Idt it's copium to say an op spec will get nerfed

[pastel pendant]

ok but they just removed the stealth stuff and didnt add anything. So I would at least be more ok with the stealth change if they added something fun in its place. but tghey diudnt

[hasty warren]

yes it's look like it's not finish yet

like a placeholder talent tree

[cloud sun]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[keen belfry]

Welcome championing cub

Which champion club has the most new additions

[jolly geyser]

shieet,havent done alchemists today

[keen belfry]

So you like the alchemist

Good producer

[jolly geyser]

just need the butterfly mount

[oblique trench]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[patent mirage]

its the doom part of the cycle

[frail veldt]

It's like if Zac was really dumb

[patent mirage]

he made more accs to tell us

[lime lake]

the other 8909 zachs all got banned

[patent mirage]

no they just killed each other

[mighty pivot]

the other 8909 clones failed to survive a day

[hasty warren]

8910 is a secret message

or just 8 9 10

[pearl gull]

Is this true am I a fool for playing outlaw

I just hit 80!!

[cinder relic]

Depends who u ask

Some people like it others hate it

[twilit scarab]

I love it

[frail veldt]

if youre having fun keep playin git

[twilit scarab]

Even with the slight nerf it's still super fun

[frail veldt]

no one can stop you

[twilit scarab]

Facts

[frail veldt]

except for your guild

[dense coral]

Does weapon damage affect only auto attacks these days? does any spell have weapon damage modifyers?

[vapid sundial]

Bro

[gaunt phoenix]

No, every spell uses your mainhand weapon damage

[pearl gull]

I dont have a guild. I joined one once and the leader crashed out during a raid and I havent joined one since

[vapid sundial]

A guild that tells me to not play outlaw can clean my cock

Tbh

[frail veldt]

but yeah outlaw isnt slated to be bad or anything in midnight

it has the same issues as before

[gaunt phoenix]

Most spells use mainhand and NOT offhand, so offhand damage doesnt mean a whole lot. BtE and Pistol Shot are hybrid scaling with both MH+OH though

[keen belfry]

anyone have tips for drillig in plaster walls guys

[frail veldt]

what are you struggling with about it

[keen belfry]

stud where?

[vapid sundial]

Here

[frail veldt]

use a stud finder

[glass mortar]

Just keep making holes until u find it

I believe in u awangangangang

[vapid sundial]

A fellow electrician I see

[glass mortar]

🥰

[keen belfry]

ty all

[frail veldt]

or look for marking down at the moulding where there might be screws/visible changes in the wall indicating a stud

[gaunt phoenix]

instructions unclear, inserted wang

[frail veldt]

other indicators are stuff like outlets

[mighty pivot]

insert the wangbar

[frail veldt]

those are always secured to a stud

[lime lake]

or just like

tap the wall

lol

[glass mortar]

I tried to sell wangbar to my rogue alt friends in priest discord

They did not bite

I think it was the name

They thought I was joking at first

[frail veldt]

standard stud distance is 16" on center so

[glass mortar]

[frail veldt]

if you find one stud you can measure from there and guess

so like find a nearby outlaw on that wall

figure out which side of the outlet the stud is on

[lime lake]

how many outlaws should my wall have

[frail veldt]

and you can go 16" steps at a time and find other studs from there

[vapid sundial]

3

Chat

What if I feel like an outlaw

[lime lake]

better than feeling like a plastic bag

drifting through the wind

wanting to start again

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/firework-fireworks-baby-youre-a-firework-katy-perry-katy-perry-gifs-gif-10159643

[topaz tapir]

Anyone know why my transmog is stuck on dreadblades with this set? The other set I have lets me mog my weapons just fine

[quaint mauve]

who would play outlaw when dk exists

it’s high apm and your buttons actually feel good

[glass mortar]

i know prepatch tuning is a meme but is funny how we went from the worst spec in the game in s3 to the worst spec in the game in prepatch @vivid vessel

just lost the slot machine twice in a row i guess

when theres 30 or so specs in the game

impressive tuning

[topaz tapir]

Did outlaw get nerfed again? Where are we sitting rn lmao

[lime lake]

im sitting in my office

[glass mortar]

in prepatch in raid logs r bottom of the meter

some fights doing literally less then half of the top specs

no idea about beta but i heard good things before the nerfs and not good things after so

[lime lake]

what boss is it doing less than half

im seeing it consistently in bottom half but not bottom of the barrel

[glass mortar]

think i was looking at loomithar

let me reopen

but the top outlaws were in the 50ks and the top parses were all well over 100k so

[vivid vessel]

some will tell you its only prepatch

real ones know

[quaint mauve]

we’re not getting changes

[lime lake]

oh maybe max yeah

i wasnt looking at max

[quaint mauve]

until season 2 midnight

[glass mortar]

idk i feel like if tuning is just a random dart board its pretty impressive to manage outlaw as worst spec in the game two times in a row

good stuff blozzard

2 thumbs up for each season

[lime lake]

its definitely not the worst

but its definitely not good

[glass mortar]

it is in raid

[lime lake]

gg outlaw

[glass mortar]

according to metrics

🤷

[lime lake]

not any metrics im looking at

lmao

[real mauve]

its gg for us

[glass mortar]

all bosses mythic, all bosses herioc, 95th or higher pecentile

idk what metrics u r using

[real mauve]

we should close the discord

[glass mortar]

i tend to use the ones that showcase the ceiling of the class i guess

[glass mortar]

oh ur using all percentiles

[lime lake]

any percentile you look at

its not worst

[glass mortar]

hmm my page is

not showing those which is weird cause im looking at the same stuff

[cinder relic]

U don't have it set to prepay h

[pastel sierra]

you're looking at past 2 weeks bel

[glass mortar]

1 sec

[cinder relic]

Prepatch

[glass mortar]

i have it on prepatch but something else mighta bunked up

[real mauve]

#closethediscord

[glass mortar]

oh yea my range of time was messing with it thats weird

[lime lake]

like yeah it definitely is not in a good spot

[lavish shoal]

Just came cause someone linked me the zac vs dark zach

[lime lake]

but very much not worst

[lavish shoal]

Image

[cinder relic]

Idk why people are ignoring the context of "every boss dies in 1 minute"

And outlaw isn't a spec that wants a 1 minute fight

[lime lake]

its not even the worst rogue spec

[glass mortar]

but this is the burstiest laws ever been

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

with prep u should have 90% ar uptime on these fights

😠

[cinder relic]

Idk why we're playing dumb rn

[quaint mauve]

it’s still not a burst spec

i agree with guy

[glass mortar]

isnt sin a burst spec

wtf happened to them

these logs r wild

[cinder relic]

It's undertuned

[pearl gull]

Back when I last played like 10 years ago fire mage was by far the #1. What happened sheesh

[real mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/y-all-mind-if-i-praise-the-lord-praise-dance-praise-dance-praise-the-lord-gif-11921222

[cinder relic]

It also wants execute

It's using Cd's on pull and then getting no 2nd cast in execute like usual

There's so much context in this video game lol

[glass mortar]

interesting sins burst peaks at barely more then twice its sustain?

it used to be more then that didnt it

seems flatter then before anyway good for them

fract doesnt have a damage amp or anything right

[pastel sierra]

on the FB builds i had like 2m dps out of CDs and ~8mil in CDs

execute with prism i got to ~17mil

on frac

[glass mortar]

well sure i think every1s burst got squished tho

just a question of how much

top sin logs im seeing r peaking at ~110k during cds + lust, and they r sustaining 50k+ during execute ~40k outside it

lil more then 2X the damage, would be higher in execute cds i suppose

[lime lake]

sins burst was big in execute with prism stacked, outside of that i dont remember it being insanely impressive

[glass mortar]

subs still spiking like 3-4X sustain dps during dance sech tech

[lime lake]

like execute with vanish+prism was giga stonks

[glass mortar]

think it used to be more like 10X tho

[nova sinew]

kinda useless to talk about sustain dps on a spec like sub

[glass mortar]

its weird when u "burst" every 20s or so ye

[nova sinew]

dance sustain, outside of dance sustain, etc

[quaint mauve]

sub sustain

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-know-let-me-know-dog-meme-let-me-know-dog-dog-holding-laugh-dog-speed-gif-15789708427721573726

[nova sinew]

or the damage you sustain pooling before flag which is literally afk auto attacks

[copper radish]

Have we got a preview yet of what borrowed power item we will get during season 1

Amulet or ring again? Maybe a belt?

[lime lake]

a toe ring

from xally

[copper radish]

Ankle bracelet to match?

[sour jay]

rip hekili 🙁

[lime lake]

https://klipy.com/gifs/i-used-to-pray-for-times-like-this-meek-mill-dreams-and-nightmares

[glass mortar]

u have blizzard hekili now tho

officially sourced and supported built into the game engine

[copper radish]

MaxDps still works champ

[sour jay]

yeah, never used that one much. Plus I loved the small form factor hekili ui to put anywhere i needed

[copper radish]

They added an icon like hekili had

[sour jay]

oh so its a separate icon ui like hekili? hmm might have to check that out\

hekili was very useful for outlaw and fury lol

[copper radish]

That plus the action bar highlights too

[real mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-kermit-the-frog-kermit-the-frog-meme-worried-kermit-sad-kermit-gif-2908512056935738589

outlaw is bad 🙁

[frail veldt]

Is it?

It seems very mid rn on beta

[dense coral]

Do they use average damage or max damage?

[frail veldt]

They use the whole range

[real mauve]

they close to doing no inv to keys

[gaunt phoenix]

Average

So item level is what matters, sword/fist/axe/mace themselves are all the same

[frail veldt]

I thought it uses the range

Which is why your ability has a damage range still

[keen belfry]

got the stuff on my plaster walls

@frail veldt

[frail veldt]

Proud of you

Did you find the stud

[keen belfry]

kinda yeah

nbd

[frail veldt]

Sick

[glass mortar]

they added 5% variance to spell damage back in shadowlands

idk if we know exactly how it was added tho

[gaunt phoenix]

Auto attacks use the range, but otherwise its just legacy info

Most hits have 5% variance but I think that's not through weapon damage rolls

your attack power is already determined through weapondps

[glass mortar]

yea i thought thats what mewo meant, and my understanding was it was something that just calculates after then initial damage calculation

[mighty pivot]

abilities don't scale with weapon damage, they scale with weapon dps

[glass mortar]

but then i went to look it up and i didnt find a concrete answer other then it exists

weapon damage range is just for autos as far as i know

all the spell damage mods use weapon dps (which is the average) in their calculations

[mighty pivot]

the scaling is usually (Agility + (6 x weapon dps)) * whatever ability mods

[keen belfry]

NR where is the buiild man

[leaden sonnet]

Yeah (almost) every hit has 5% variance built in outside the weapon rolls

Dots do not have the variance (nor does hunt them down for some reason?)

[glass mortar]

do dots really not have variance

thats a bit of a weird one

wonder if it was just too much effort

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah. Good for testing multipliers

[glass mortar]

i'll use this knowledge in my future naked outlaw tests 🫡

wait....

[leaden sonnet]

You can buy lvl 1 daggers and theres only the 5% variance to account for

[keen belfry]

imagine playing outlaw naked

[leaden sonnet]

Or well, fist/sword whatever

[glass mortar]

ye thats how i do my tests

well i usually just use my weapons and make sure enchants didnt proc cause im lazy

but thats the proper way to do the dummy tests i do

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw doesnt have weird multipliers anyway. Except fatebound, which can be sin

[glass mortar]

just u, 2 level 1 daggers, and a raiding target dummy

no armor or fancy tricks

[frail veldt]

Aaaah I thought it used the actual weapon range which is why certain classes like arms have HUGE damage range on abilities

[glass mortar]

nah huge damage ranges is usually one of ur spells just has 15 rng mods on it that can change alot

if ur talking about execute or mortal strike

[frail veldt]

But in theory mods shouldn't change a 5% variance

It would still be 5%

[glass mortar]

what do u mean

the mods r not static

a mortal strike might have +60% damage on it or +0% damage on it when u cast it

that kinda thing

[leaden sonnet]

What

[glass mortar]

just off the top of my head u cast mortal strike basically on cd (last time i played arms) and it had short duration buffs consumed on cast based on how many overpowers/executes u cast inbetween the MS

so the variance on that abilities damage would be quite a bit higher then 5%

[frail veldt]

oh sure I just mean given the same mods you still see a wider range in an abilities damage on some specs than on specs than on others

I was always told from warrior players that the damage variance comes from the damage range of 2 handers being larger

[glass mortar]

sure most profiles already have more then 5% variance on various major spells from temporary buffs/debuffs on enemies and such

uh i mean that was the case many years ago

hasnt been for awhile tho lul

damage variance of 2h users in classic wows tho

2h enhance shaman walking around not moving anyones hp bar then 1 tapping anyone windfury procced on

gathering clips for their epic wsg pvp videos

[wintry solar]

With some Linkin Park in the background

[glass mortar]

helllllllll yea

btw i didnt want to reveal it because i didnt want to make u guys jealous but zeross dm's me his kill videos on osrs bosses and he always has some vanilla wow montage ass music playing during it and its just great

throws me back to my childhood

[wintry solar]

Yknow, I can believe that.

[subtle cedar]

Question: If we BR on single target do we BF first ? for its buff to BR or is it a GCD waste ?

[glass mortar]

no

the interaction is irrelevant

[subtle cedar]

alright

[glass mortar]

it also doesnt effect the main target

wouldnt matter if it did tho

[subtle cedar]

another one: if we have tier 2 dice on 1 stack and also PS proced. I read that SS is better because of its interaction on fatebound (generating up to 5 points) but when do we use PS then ?

[glass mortar]

anytime ur not at 1 cp and at regular PS builder threshold

the rule is only for being at 1 cp

i do not believe u have the hero talent required for this optimization in prepatch tho

even as fatebound

[subtle cedar]

so anytime ur not at 1 cp PS is prio

[glass mortar]

and not at the higher CP counts where u SS

which is always the case

the only thing the rule changes is PSing on exactly 1 CP

[subtle cedar]

and you do not use it even if it stays at 6

got it thanks

[glass mortar]

no, read the last sentence of the thing from the faq

u still dont wanna overcap opp

[glass mortar]

.

[subtle cedar]

got it

[glass mortar]

check ur talents to see u have deal fate tho

i dont think the hero talents use it on prepatch

so this optimization isnt a thing yet

[subtle cedar]

ye ye I do on beta

[glass mortar]

kk

[subtle cedar]

I was not sure to bf on single and about this thing

thank you

[celest cobalt]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[wintry solar]

You're welcome

[peak dock]

did blizz scaled tww dungeons? feel like im getting 1 shooted

[scarlet drum]

Am I supposed to wait for 6 stacks of opportunity or just send it?

[gaunt phoenix]

at 3 stacks you send based on combo points, only between 1-3 cps

at 6 stacks you send it regardless of cps, assuming you need to build

[upper surge]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hello-hi-wave-xT9IgG50Fb7Mi0prBC

[craggy barn]

BASED combo points???!?!

[formal knot]

[desert tendon]

how re the doomers today

[keen belfry]

Did they forget the build guys

Today was gonna fix outlaw

[lime lake]

next week i think

its a big patch so it takes a bit of time

[rapid dagger]

when buff

[lime lake]

everything you want is there though

[mighty pivot]

you missed temu zac the gigadoomer

[desert tendon]

Tell me more about it

[mighty pivot]

he got told by guy to leave

[lime lake]

https://klipy.com/gifs/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now

[digital gale]

oh man i want the HO Build back Q.Q

[craggy barn]

sure but that involves vanish and stealth, cant have that

[digital gale]

well at least the double hit proc on Ambush

i mean Double Ambush without stealth is all i want u.u

[craggy barn]

wanting ambush means u want stealth back in the gameplay

cant have that

[frail veldt]

its not that far behind

[frail veldt]

you can just pretend it hits twice

lol

pretend the opp procs are it hitting a second time

[digital gale]

well yeah but what i lke about that build was the double hit xD

[frail veldt]

the combo points?

[digital gale]

^

[frail veldt]

yeah I think theyre never bringing that much cp gen back

[digital gale]

i enjoy the frenetic gameplay

[frail veldt]

I always thought of HO as the more predictable gameplay

compared to the more dynamic/reactionary/frenetic KiR builder rules

HO was the easy going simple gameplay

more chill

[torpid bough]

Yo, so how is outlaw doing in m+ since update?

[digital gale]

perspectives maybe?

prob u right

but to me was way more fun HO

[frail veldt]

yeah fun is subjective

HO def had less rules and less to react to though

[digital gale]

oh well time to learn KIR and prob KS new gameplay

[frail veldt]

I figured the HO players would like this midnight outlaw more than kir

[frail veldt]

the new KIR is pretty much not related to old KiR at all

[digital gale]

I didnt played in TWW so to me is a new gameplay to lear

learn*

[frail veldt]

yeah its new to learn for sure

its very simple you just press it if your rtb is stage 2 or higher

pretty much anyone who has played outlaw for more than a season in the past 3 xpacs can pick up the new outlaw in like half an hour

[wintry solar]

Everytime I see Ryu in a name I get flashbacks

[digital gale]

xD

im the good one dw

[wintry solar]

I know you're good lol

[ashen void]

i missed that one

what??

[tender wedge]

don't worry, he'll be back in a few more hours with some passionate takes again

[lime lake]

still not ryu levels

amateur tbh

[wintry solar]

They really should stop with the self inserting with the realistic graphics. It's not doing anyone, man or woman, any favors.

[lone spear]

me when the humanoid looks like a human

[quaint mauve]

LOLLLLL

LOLOLOL

evil zac wasn’t something i was expecting in 2026

@frail veldt fluids exam scores came back and it actually made me question my whole life bro

[frail veldt]

in a good way?

[lone spear]

im telling u, name is zach, hates on "women in western games", he was just asmongold in disguise