outlaw

[keen belfry]

How does that even make sense hahah

[pastel sierra]

Auto attacks are like 40% of your dmg

Earlier SnD means more auto attacks

Or some shit like that

[keen belfry]

Well can’t you just AR dispatch im so confuse d

[pastel sierra]

You can, i assume on ST the difference is next to nothing

[gaunt phoenix]

i lied

you know what i did

[keen belfry]

Ty

[gaunt phoenix]

the current rules i had AR RTB used at pull-1 seconds

instead of pull-0

so it wasted a second for no reason

[keen belfry]

Is this both sims

I was worried about AR combat time with the snd piss opener

[wintry solar]

Now awang can get off the toilet

[keen belfry]

It’s comfy

[wintry solar]

You get booty bumps

I forget what they're called

Hemorrhoids

[keen belfry]

Can’t believe ur the red Becky

Neck

And u thought I was the twink

[wintry solar]

Multiple people btw lol

I thought it was just me

[keen belfry]

kinda sick i give twink vibes

who want me?

[wintry solar]

Ninja

[gaunt phoenix]

it does still seem like (prepull) AR SND RTB > open with BF BR is better than (prepull) AR RTB > open with single target dispatch BF BR

[keen belfry]

interesting

whats the diff

[gaunt phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/uqSbcME8vLJz7g5yTqXmwT

[keen belfry]

cool cool

[gaunt phoenix]

so funny how this matters at all

i'm going to make ST and AOE prepull the same

[keen belfry]

is there a way u can do the exact same sim, but assumme the rogue has snd from prepull stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

not going to take questions about that for the remainder of the tier

[keen belfry]

i got my q in before this message

im just curious if its the cdr, or the snd first global, or both

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have snd already, what do you need to know?

it's not like you're going to press snd again

[pastel sierra]

^

Cancelaura macro for SnD for a .2% gain

If it even is one

[gaunt phoenix]

i think i get what you're asking wang

[keen belfry]

yeah

you have snd

first global, with snd opeenr

[gaunt phoenix]

but im not sure i can forcibly create SND active from nothing

[keen belfry]

its basically just testing is having snd on opener the reason for the gain

because if the gain is still there when u have snd already, the gain is the cdr

etcetc

[gaunt phoenix]

i suspect the gain is simply being able to BF BR one global "sooner"

well, i forced snd to be active, and they're all the same

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/hPsUb3hGC4iwr1EPAZCkKg

[keen belfry]

is it just snd diff then

so like in a key u can do wahtever opener u want then

[pastel sierra]

Unless you managed to drop all buffs yeah

[keen belfry]

ok ikeep doing my m+ opener then

but sounds like our ST is changing?

[gaunt phoenix]

basically AR SND is good enough single target that i dont want to make a point in differentiating them

[keen belfry]

makes sense

are u in a one more sim for awang mood

i posted this SS yesterday

this happens a lot

vibes tells me to press dispatch here

[gaunt phoenix]

i love when you post a screenshot and i should discern exactly what you're thinking

[keen belfry]

well at 5+ cp

[keen belfry]

this is my speciality

youve been learning

so basically

i think a BTE WITH APEX

when ar is a finsiher away

is bad

cuz reset

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fine to skip it

it wont move sim so i dont care

[keen belfry]

its probs tiny change if any

ok vibes rule added

i just like double BTE opener is AR windows

[hazy temple]

Sorry, can anyone care to tell me what SND is?

[gaunt phoenix]

[hazy temple]

ah

thank you!

[keen belfry]

i also am curious about KIR again if we play wangbuild and use LD

KIR 3/4 is so good and u can get more lucky and not have 1 buffs

aka u dont have to kir 2 buff

[gaunt phoenix]

this snd thing is also worth at 2 target

basically

if you have to use blade flurry

then it is better to AR RTB SND prepull

and blade flurry immediately on pull

and you dont already have snd of course

the things we invent to be 3rd place dmg

[keen belfry]

outlaw rogues

i think our tuning is going to be so ass this tier

[hazy temple]

3rd place of the rogue specs right? :^)

[keen belfry]

but i have hope that more randoms will play outlaw cuz easier to approach and they will drag its wcl chart even lower

[gaunt phoenix]

it's so funny the last raid testing was like wow okay, favorable tuning

[unkempt dew]

So it’s time to put SnD back oh my action bar

[keen belfry]

thats what made me laugh TWW S3, only gamers were palying it for the most part and the spec was the worst spec in the game

[gaunt phoenix]

and then it was a mistake

[keen belfry]

not even op btw

-15%

[vivid vessel]

btw

[keen belfry]

btw

[vivid vessel]

you guys know how much 15% is

solo

do you realize how much it is or

cause i didnt really think about it much

[keen belfry]

its -15% and -10% AA dmg right?

[unkempt dew]

15% of nothing is still nothing?

[vivid vessel]

till ichecked wcl last time

no as in

15% is that much

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

its like

you can be the best spec in the game before tuning

after tuning you are the worse spec in the game by like 10%

so

i sure hope we were really really really good before that nerf

:D

[wintry solar]

That's fine though because "you can just change specs"

[vivid vessel]

ye as every season

never play outlaw

[wintry solar]

[vivid vessel]

cuase its always the wrose spec in the game

i guess thats fine ye

can just change spec

[keen belfry]

i might apply to blizz

i can get use insider info

[unkempt dew]

Aah we suck again?

[keen belfry]

i will go to the rogue dev quarter of building

[keen belfry]

we will

dw

[unkempt dew]

Damn

Why?

Does Blizzard hate outlaw that much?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[keen belfry]

well if u think about it

we are pirates

[wintry solar]

Blizz doesn't know how to tune a spec like outlaw

[keen belfry]

pirates like open seas, water

blizzard is frozen tundra

[wintry solar]

So fire mage should always be bad

[keen belfry]

i agreed with taht in TWW cause it was a skill gap spec

[unkempt dew]

Then do something about it

[keen belfry]

but now its just a spec that u can tune

BF is the only weird part

[wintry solar]

Wtf am I suppose to do??

Lol

[keen belfry]

granted big weird part

[unkempt dew]

Haha not you. I mean the Blizz devs

[keen belfry]

specs were your aoe is your ST are like kinda impossible to tune

passive cleave from ST buttons leads to disaster tuning sometimes

[gaunt phoenix]

fix it popo..

[mighty pivot]

popo=poop...

[pastel sierra]

Bf AoE builder BR AoE spender

[frigid shale]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[pastel sierra]

And its like on sub where its just storm > BP > storm > BP

[keen belfry]

we need something like this, we just need an AOE source not named BF

which was my cope when i saw the bf nerfs

[pastel sierra]

Nah its still BF but it only makes auto attacks cleave

[vapid sundial]

Wow you mean what loktark and i have asked for for multiple expansions now

:^)

Let me spend with BR

[pastel sierra]

Idk i like not having 2 extra buttons for AoE that do nothing but stale builder/spender loops

[nova marsh]

if you wanna play sub just play sub

[pastel sierra]

Theyd have to cook it a bit more

[vapid sundial]

BR being a spender is not the same as playing sub

what is this nonsense

Historically, it was you either have KS or BR

I would much rather have BR and have it be a spender

[nova marsh]

its a movement ability iykyk

[vapid sundial]

Sure man

It def wasnt a major energy regen in DF

[nova marsh]

its always been that

also your only uncapped ability fwiw

[vapid sundial]

ye

[keen belfry]

solos idea is to just make trickstert have KS blast in aoe and do ethical dmg

[vapid sundial]

why is why i can say id like it to be a finisher

shrug

make KS prio

😛

[gaunt phoenix]

yessss

big boom ks

[past falcon]

where’s devourer

[keen belfry]

not a hottake but having ks be truly a "cd worthy moment" as said by realz would be fun

[pastel sierra]

Yeah but also put it into the trickster tree

Like priest has with their enabling spells

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster talent makes it big boom

boomboom

[keen belfry]

id be okay with dropping prep for KS

IF

KS was boom boom

[pastel sierra]

Why keep it a capstone if it does no dmg unless you play trickster

[keen belfry]

but it needs to be boom boom

becuz

i hope u know theres actually no where in our tree we can give up points

its kinda cooked

maybe u could take it instead of LD

i mean

sleight

[pastel sierra]

Yeah its annoying

you have like 2 points to freely spend

if even

[mighty pivot]

it's ok they already forgot about this

[frail veldt]

oh does trickster increase KS damage now?

[pastel sierra]

no but it should

[frail veldt]

oh

trickster as a hero tree is kinda weird now that they changed how flawless form works

its almost as passive of a tree as fatebound now haha

[mighty pivot]

stick a damage boost and make it reliably hit your target in one of the two KS trickster nodes, and it won't feel so popo

maybe something to consider for TLT

[gaunt phoenix]

hit all targets

full aoe

everything

boom boom

now ks is awesome

[hardy vault]

just let me enjoy fatebound for now

i am very happy with not pressing ks

[mighty pivot]

I don't see it being full aoe. Not because it would be broken but because they seem to go with the weirdest ideas when it comes to KS

[hardy vault]

actually playing fb in prepatch rn and doing better with it than with trickster because of less buttons

[violet ferry]

Haven't played since November - any reason to log back in right now or should I just keep waiting until Midnight?

[gaunt phoenix]

make your UI

get used to your UI

[violet ferry]

Good call

[gaunt phoenix]

this patch should have a little better details and cdm

Can add alerts to cdm buffs

the details is still dog ass though

worst downgrade in history

[mighty pivot]

frfr

[copper radish]

Step one delete weak auras

[violet ferry]

I'm just going to assume I should delete every addon, flop around struggling for a few minutes while I get my bearings, then figure out what I "need" from there.
That a decent plan?

[copper radish]

Should work. Some good addons out there still doesn’t feel like we lost much

Cooldown manager addons are pretty useful

[gaunt phoenix]

in cdm, your buffs should probably be

(and cloak/evasion/feint)

[pastel sierra]

SnD tracked?

[copper radish]

SND the most important

[gaunt phoenix]

it can influence decisions

[upper hawk]

does knowing i have adranaline rush active change my decisions? i'm not tracking that right now

[gaunt phoenix]

not technically, but i like to know when my GCD is sped up

[upper hawk]

gotcha. i'm tracking bf opportunity and loaded dice only right now as icons. rtb is under htem as a bar because i find it easier to grok the text of which buff it is on the bar

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah i use a few as bars

[vivid vessel]

i like that instead of showing snd when its not up

like i could before

i have to show it all the time now

:D

or maybe not

you could in theory create something ..

i guess ..

snd addon ..

why is everything basically possible

just super annoying

like i can still do a fth tracker if i want with sounds etc

but i have to code it arround cp gain

i can have a snd tracker that only shows when its down but i have to recode the entire snd logic based on finishers

why cant it just be simple

this game kinda ruined no ?

[gaunt phoenix]

hm they broke prepatch class tree

the gate is restricted again

cant get both tea and cbk

this game kinda ruined no ?

[vivid vessel]

thats normal tho

no?

you dont have enough poitns till beta

[pastel sierra]

i can take 3 capstones rn

[gaunt phoenix]

servers are up?

[pastel sierra]

nono that was for zac

i'm eu

[mighty pivot]

no. arc ui can hide things based on whether they are up or not, so addons can do that

[vivid vessel]

wtf

op

nerf addons

or

[mighty pivot]

@wintry solar wtf are you doing in eu

[glass mortar]

Remove add-ons honestly

So annoying I need to dl all this shit to make my game not look like popo

I think they should consider binning add-ons and just making their own tbh

Any thinkers?

[mighty pivot]

I think it's a competitive advantage to be able to parse information the game fails to communicate properly

my solution: shut down the game

if nobody can play, nobody has an advantage

[glass mortar]

Just force every1 to use 1 button assist

That's the only key that can be bound

[mighty pivot]

ok but you have to use your forehead to press it

[glass mortar]

If it wasn't the intended theoretical maximum dps why did blizzard even code it?

They make the game hello? Are we stupid?

All these extra buttons we r wasting our time pressing

[mighty pivot]

imagine how much better the raids and dastardly duos would be, if the devs didn't have to waste time on class design

[keen belfry]

NR

big buiuld today ye?

@mighty pivot NR

[leaden sonnet]

Its intended

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah

[leaden sonnet]

Not sure why they didnt do this immediately with prepatch

Its just jarring changing it now

[gaunt phoenix]

but i get to write this

[leaden sonnet]

[mighty pivot]

either today or tomorrow it will be the grandest build outlaw has seen during its lifespan

[jolly geyser]

Anyone got a cursor addon on hand they like?

[next thunder]

brehs when will outlaw have its good times

feels like constantly underpowered for all xpacs

just tried prepatch dps - okay they got rid of vanish from the rotation and cleaned up rtb but still does fk all damage and cant even do 8 mask vision run

might as well revert to combat and become a walking aoe tower again

[keen belfry]

Ty

[shy meteor]

do we play a new build on live with the tuning?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes, but not exactly because of tuning. Your boy solo just missed something

[shy meteor]

still a good boy in my book

[sharp shadow]

what algthar academy buff outlaw rogue players grabbin

i'm ganna guess vers

[gaunt phoenix]

Crit

[sharp shadow]

oo

[gaunt phoenix]

12.0.1 Patch updates

1. This update is just merging the recent beta changes into pre-patch.

2. They fixed the class tree at level 80, there is now a 23-point gate to get the last set of talents. So, while Cold-Blooded Killer is fixed, we won't use it. Thistle Tea is still recommended.

3. After some more build scrutiny it seems we can now drop Find an Opening (10% Opportunity chance) and therefore also drop 1 or more points in Heavy Hitter to actually take other options/our capstones in AoE specifically.

Pre-patch Trickster AoE | Beta Trickster AoE

Pre-patch Fatebound AoE | Beta Fatebound AoE

For both builds, Sleight of Hand vs 1 point in Heavy Hitter is expected to be close. It's still uncertain what Sleight is really doing until we scrape a bunch of logs so you can ignore it if you don't believe in the gamba. Or take it for data gathering science.

Removing Find an Opening like this is about a 1-3% gain for both builds in AoE. However you do lose consistency from pull to pull, it's hard to judge how much this matters but if you feel like you are low-rolling on energy more then I think it's fair to go back if you prefer it.

Why don't these builds use Preparation? -- you can, it's close/about the same. Fatebound can remove 1 Summarily Dispatched for it. Your call if it's worth tracking/thinking about it.

Solo, why are builds changing again? -- The tuning does kinda make Menacing Rush too good to pass up but otherwise in all likelihood I just missed the possibility of removing Find an Opening. Blame @keen belfry

What about single target? -- Mostly a wash. Trickster can find the smallest gain by moving Find an Opening into Prep, but it's so minimal and maybe not worth the RNG trade-off unless the encounter favors Prep.

More opener shit -- It was found if you are in AoE and start with nothing, it is better to AR + SnD + RtB right before the pull and open with Blade Flurry, as opposed to skipping SnD and opening with Dispatch. This doesn't really happen in keys unless you die, as you get SnD from the pre-key setup anyway.

Overall Pre-patch still favors Trickster, and beta still favors Fatebound by a little bit.

[vivid vessel]

?

delete this bozo

holy we be dropping 10% fth chance now waht a banger

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

:l

[vivid vessel]

gets worse every week

goes kinda crazy

[keen belfry]

banger awang mention

[keen belfry]

naw cuh its better cuz u get capstones

[random stirrup]

drop ace, drop fth chance, pick up auto attack dmg 🔥

[keen belfry]

and sleight gamba is fun

its sleightly fun 🙂

haha get it

i wonder if we will have prep dungeons, like prep felt very good on algaethar for first pull, dmg amp boss, etc

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, I can see it being worth more than expected with at least some coordination.

[keen belfry]

and i think on demand dmg has more value than sim would tell u

ofc

[fathom bramble]

potentially in any key that has a more important/lust pull at the very start

just being able to contribute more on a pull that occasionally makes or breaks the key can be enough

[keen belfry]

if its a long dmg amp, otulaw actually good

unlike a tindral 10 second amp

[cinder haven]

None of the other capstones that can compete with summarily dispatched?

[stable wolf]

logging in after months and all my UI is fucked, Cold Blood is proccing every second of my life and Grapple hook is slower than sprinting

fuckthis game

[fathom bramble]

there is an addon to mute cold blood

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[keen belfry]

bte capostone bad
ks non trickster
HOMEGALUL

[stable wolf]

[cinder haven]

ks prep ks gameplay

[fathom bramble]

it's still incredibly frustrating, but you can get your ui back to a good state with arcui

nothing I can do to help with slow grapple though

[keen belfry]

no tob no tob

[cinder haven]

Zero prio dam

[keen belfry]

uynless they make ks boom boom

ks boom boom talent would be giga

[cinder haven]

Embrace the gamba

[fathom bramble]

I wonder what % KS needs to go up for it to be good

it's like release bonespike levels of bad

which took a 166% buff iirc to just become decent

[cinder haven]

Idk why they giganerfed ks in the first place

[fathom bramble]

my theory is that they were looking at all classes to reduce burst across the board and merged/removed/nerfed a ton of cds

[gaunt phoenix]

i would hope that fatebound still doesnt take it and something in the trickster tree itself buffs it

[fathom bramble]

and just KS got caught in the crossfire

[cinder haven]

Ans then make it capstone?

[fathom bramble]

yeah idk

that's as far as my idea goes

[cinder haven]

Probably two different people

[copper radish]

Can we get old gun sounds on BTE lol

[fathom bramble]

yeah I would rather just not take KS

having us be in a state where all our capstones are varying degrees of bad seems out of place though

so I expect something to change

maybe in a .5 patch

[cinder haven]

Is kir really that bad tho?

[fathom bramble]

I mean it's '

it's bad for a talent

but just barely good enough to still take

[gaunt phoenix]

It's like a 3% talent

same with prep

in theory

[cinder haven]

Not much compared to our old capstones

[fathom bramble]

our old capstones were 5-20%

[gaunt phoenix]

and then HO is terrible, KS is KS, and Fast Action is 0.7%

[fathom bramble]

though it's worth noting slightly that crackshot was only 20% thanks to how much other talents boosted it

most of the value of even having ace was from crackshot

[cinder haven]

How can fast action only be 0.7?

[keen belfry]

zero in

[fathom bramble]

11% lower bte CD is just not that good

[gaunt phoenix]

i believe it's cause you lose value on Zero In

[cinder haven]

Better to build up ah

[fathom bramble]

definitely a lot of people expected it to be better though

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, it's interesting

i'm sure it's working correctly

just doesnt seem to do a whole lot

[cinder haven]

Zero in is very weird

[keen belfry]

it is

[fathom bramble]

you get approximately the expected amount of extra BTE casts so

[keen belfry]

i also think BTE needs high crit baked into it

[fathom bramble]

would be cool to see it buffed to like 10 seconds and 2 charges

and just keep adding seconds until it's a 5% talent

[gaunt phoenix]

being able to hold BtE for high zero in would be cool maybe

[fathom bramble]

Cast between the eyes if you are near 2 charges, at 15 or more zero in, or if AR is currently active

[keen belfry]

bte stacks

[fathom bramble]

now that's a rotation

[gaunt phoenix]

Gain 10 stacks of Zero In when the cooldown of Between the Eyes is reset through Ace Up Your Sleeve or Gravedigger.

[cinder haven]

Thats a nice tier set

[keen belfry]

BTE is weird with zero in + dispatched cuase u want to maximize zero in stacks, but cast on CD for bte buff

[keen belfry]

would be so lit no cap

[fathom bramble]

When ace triggers BTE gains the benefit of any active Zero In stacks without consuming them

[mighty pivot]

I dunno why they thought Fast Action is worthy of being a capstone tbh

[gaunt phoenix]

meh, I get it. it sounds good in theory

[keen belfry]

i0 think they forgot that BTE is on restless blades

[cinder haven]

It would have been in other circumstances probably

[mighty pivot]

even if numerically it was better, it still feels a bit on the boring side

[gaunt phoenix]

ye sure

[fathom bramble]

idk why it's not more stuff

it's a capstone

[keen belfry]

would be giga talent if BTE was static CD but had 100% ace proc chance reducing with each proc, thoughts???

[cinder haven]

Sounds fun

[mighty pivot]

even prep has more flair than fast action

[cinder haven]

Make zero in last for the whole chain too

[keen belfry]

like every 20 second bte dmg window

[fathom bramble]

like I would expect a capstone to look more like this

[keen belfry]

enough crit to get 20 stacks of zero in, keep zero in stacks until BTE goes on CD, blast

[fathom bramble]

this does 4 different things

and has a lot of reduced cooldown for the base CD of the spell

instead of a slight amount

[gaunt phoenix]

that is a lot

[mighty pivot]

making Zero In stay if you get a bte reset would be cool but then we are treading into too much rng reliance territory maybe

[keen belfry]

its actually crzy they could just change immo aura to bte and implement it

[keen belfry]

thats why i want the BTE reset to be liek 100% - 60% -40% etc etc

and ace is unrelated to gravedigger, so u can have back to bvack 100s

[cinder haven]

Our crit scaling stuff in general is super weird

Its synergy and antisynergy at the same time somehow

[fathom bramble]

yeah crit didn't even end up as good as I was expecting

like we still try and stack it after haste cap(for now)

but it's not really that far ahead of vers

[mighty pivot]

what is the antisynergy of crit?

[cinder haven]

Maybe if you can somehow avoid taking cold blood and zero in and instead stack crit and take fast action

[fathom bramble]

gaining free crit chance is usually considered anti-synergy with crit on gear since it reduces the value of crit

almost all of our crit synergies just give more crit chance from crit chance

which doesn't really stack up as well as like crit chance giving resources or simply having critical strike damage

[keen belfry]

whats the term

crit chance over 100 turns into dmg

grievous?

[fathom bramble]

overcapped crit chance?

[bright plaza]

Is this damage reduction to outlaw live or is that old notes for us?

[cinder haven]

Poe style

[keen belfry]

mara had it in fellowhsip, she had 100% crit chance thing but her extra crit left over was a flat dmg increase to it, so it would crit for like 130% etc

[mighty pivot]

this was more of an issue in TWW than it is now though. There is barely any +crit chance anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

it is live after maintenance

[mighty pivot]

only zero in is significant basically

[cinder haven]

Zero in and cold blood

Conditional crit chance that prevents us from stacking crit sort of

[mighty pivot]

trickster can benefit from 20% finisher crit chance with CB talented which is still just equal to having the old bte buff

[fathom bramble]

that's true, but the small echo of the problem still persists and is part of why crit hasn't really ended up as strong as some expected

we do still have more base crit than normal from talents and being an agi class

and all our crit scaling comes in the form of just making crit give crit

[glass mortar]

It's really not hard to make scaling synergies with stats either

Which Is why it's confusing

Ours all feels either underdesigned or overdesigned and i can't tell which it is

[cinder haven]

It is what it is for now though

Doubt anything will change before 12.1 if even that

[keen belfry]

no tob

[mighty pivot]

that's maybe for the best tbh. If you ignore mastery the other three being somewhat close can make things easier with gearing and multispeccing. It only becomes problematic if it ends up affecting scaling too much when we get deeper into the expansion

[keen belfry]

we have huge buiild today

NR told us so

[cinder haven]

[fathom bramble]

it's definitely more comfy gearing to have 3 okay stats

[mighty pivot]

I said today or tomorrow

[keen belfry]

damnit

[fathom bramble]

how much it can affect scaling as we go into the expansion kind of comes down to how many broken classes there are

sometimes there are specs doing 140-170% of the value of vers with their best stat

and it is almost always haste or mastery doing it

[keen belfry]

fire mage haste

[mighty pivot]

maybe outlaw will be that too once they buff our mastery by another 150%

[fathom bramble]

true

[keen belfry]

isnt it funny they buffed mastery by that mucha nd we still ignore it kinda

just cuz clitical strike

[fathom bramble]

mastery stacking outlaw can compete for with obr assassination for the top of the meter

[mighty pivot]

at least now mastery is a stat in aoe

[fathom bramble]

yeah they should probably fix that at some point

[keen belfry]

made shaman required for outlaw

[fathom bramble]

mastery is stuck in a weird stat from being able to trigger it on BR/BF

[keen belfry]

6% dmg btw

[glass mortar]

Crit didn't even matter its still worse then vers st

How they managed that with a 150% buff

[indigo token]

https://x.com/Naowhxd/status/2021222823209963745?s=20

Naowh // Robin (@Naowhxd)

Updated M+ tierlist for Midnight!!

Provided by https://t.co/45tibaQtF6

X · Feb 10, 2026, 2:00 PM

OUTLAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[glass mortar]

Impressive tbh

[bright plaza]

Who is this guy

[untold wadi]

prolly nobody

[fathom bramble]

I mean we did look good on the raid testing prior to our 15% nerf so

[iron fable]

Naowh always doing meme tierlists only

[untold wadi]

he really put the feral fury outlaw in s lmao

[fathom bramble]

depending on how you are construction such a list you might actually put outlaw in S tier if you lack all the info

[iron fable]

Tho all of em are meme

But his is more for the lulz

[bright plaza]

Outlaw will never be S tier

Would love it though

[fathom bramble]

usually something becomes truly S tier by abusing some unforeseen mechanic or method of interacting with an encounter

even a spec that is quite bad on paper(sub last tier) can be incredibly good the same way

outlaw just doesn't have the tools to randomly pop off on a specific encounter type

we actually did come quite close to meeting the "unforeseen mechanic" criteria in undermine but everything was nerfed with no compensation

and we just ended up the same we in that tier that we usually are

[bright plaza]

Why do you think they want to keep outlaw down

[fathom bramble]

I don't think they do

[bright plaza]

I just want to play outlaw in raid and feel good about it

[fathom bramble]

I think they try to make most classes target a certain level of performance and outlaw is easier to ensure that always happens

with a flat damage profile and no special mechanics we basically never punch massively above expectations for weird reasons

[iron fable]

U can do that still, balancing is actually good, and all specs are viable

Waiting in que is the only bad part

Community perception

[bright plaza]

Do you play outlaw in raid?

[fathom bramble]

yes

I have played non-law on 2 raid fights in the last 2 expansions

Tindral and dimensius as you could probably guess

outlaw is almost always good enough

decent, but not great is where we live forever

[indigo token]

ome20

https://tenor.com/view/ome20-gif-9226759380346778850

[bright plaza]

I mean that's cool and all but I'm not playing just to be good enough

[iron fable]

Well than u need to go for the meta, but its not like meta is 10-20% better nowadays, as it was for the longest times before

[indigo token]

i pretty much only play outlaw

cause outlaw is the most fun

[fathom bramble]

well good enough kind of means a different thing to everyone

it's good enough for my purposes of getting just Hall of Fame in a timely manner

without feeling like I drag the group down

[bright plaza]

Feral looking kinda good these days

[iron fable]

Ye even for ce all specs are viable, it is more very high end m+ and nowadays def mattering more than dps

And most of all community perception is whats the bane of non meta existance

Not blizzards balancing

[bright plaza]

Lol

[iron fable]

Even if the best and the worst would have 3% in between, ppl would go for the best

But its not much more than 3% usually nowadays

[fathom bramble]

especially in keys

[iron fable]

Atl east for raid

[fathom bramble]

raid tends to be more reasonably balanced than keys

[iron fable]

For keys it swings more cus of the class combos and current dungeons needs ill admit it

But u can start any spec and go for meta in the last half of a season

[fathom bramble]

and group buffs making certain comps much stronger than other possible comps

[iron fable]

Ye thats so bad

[fathom bramble]

which also serves to push out classes that bring no buff

unless they are tuned particularly high

[iron fable]

Ye its bad cus in keys a blaance should be 9-10% worse than non buff dps, as it can give 9% dmg back to themselves and the other 2 dps

• tank and heal

But blizzard wont ever balance around that

[fathom bramble]

that can just create a reverse of the current problem where a buff dps is now bad unless they have people to buff

I would rather just see raid buffs removed from M+

or entering an M+ simply grants all raidbuffs to your party regardless of comp

[iron fable]

Ye that would be best

[bright plaza]

Pipe dream

[prisma lantern]

Or give mini buffs to professions.

Don't get 9%, but say 6% with same buff ID.

Like drums.

[iron fable]

Or do what dks get, blizzard is hellbent on not giving a buff for them, so they tune them high so they cant complain

Give that treatment to all non damage buff ppl kek

But its a shame a non burst spec needs to be tuned insanely to be better in avg circumstances

And it would be way overtuned on bosses than

So id like to have a bit more umpf to AR, esp if it is a proper cd now

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[bright plaza]

I'm looking forward to being S tier as an outlaw if it's real

[vivid vessel]

bro doesnt know

[fresh acorn]

One day my cat will speak English

I just know it

[proven ocean]

Deadly meow

[gaunt phoenix]

[mighty pivot]

or he knows too much

[proven ocean]

Is this real

[bright plaza]

Real

[keen belfry]

wheres the buld nr

[mighty pivot]

solo's cat ate it, we'll have to look for it in the litterbox later

[leaden sonnet]

He gave it a poor review on litterboxd

[twilit scarab]

so talents got reset, do we build anything differently this time?

[keen belfry]

maybe

[jolly geyser]

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[mighty pivot]

||+1 effort for using an alternative rickroll link ||

[jolly geyser]

||didnt make it,im donk. But would def use diff link also||

[tepid turtle]

If we get a BtE proc we send another right and not holding? I see some ppl that only uses the BtE for the buff uptime

[crisp ingot]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[rapid mica]

BtE buff works like Ironfur, each application has its own timer even if they stack, and that includes the number of CP used, so if you did a 6+ BtE and by accident you then did a 1 BTE you got a 14 second and a 4 second buff, you can't game the uptime

[glass mortar]

you build first

you send at 6+ cp

ace will never get you there

but yes you do keep using it as ur finisher until it goes on cd

(or a higher prior finisher comes up)

[mighty hatch]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[frank finch]

i log in and now my class tree gets cucked

cool man

[keen belfry]

thanks for fixing CB im glad we can FART!

[granite merlin]

For some reason I’m having a really hard time deciding what I want to track and keep overfilling my ui

[frank finch]

impressive

[keen pilot]

I didn't see any talent changes on patch notes what changed?

Oh it's level 90 things and now we need to spend more talent points before unlocking the final 3 rows?

[kindred shadow]

is blind supposed to be aoe again?

[glass mortar]

nobody knows

according to the tooltips blizzard has provided, no

but it is

[keen pilot]

Apparently that's literally it

[glass mortar]

yea they just changed the gate reqs pretty sure

[keen pilot]

Feels bad on level 80 now XD

[glass mortar]

yea well we all know blizzard doesnt give 2 brain cells of thought into leveling experience

apparently that includes prepatch preleveling experience

[frank finch]

damn fb is like 6% behind in st for me

[keen pilot]

They said we would spend get more talent to spend until level 90, I didn't expect they would actually take away 3 in level 80 instead of just keep thing as it is and just add to level 90

Anyways

At least I got the broom mount

With my outlaw rogue

[peak dock]

are we playing trickster of fatebound now? :v

[frank finch]

prepatch still trick

[unborn moon]

Are the blade fury changes implemented today, or were they already live

(Nerf)

Aka, are my numbers today going to be different than yesterday? 😂

[lethal oak]

sad times

[unborn moon]

Noooooo

[upper hawk]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[upper hawk]

does wangbar work for feral still? i'm not seeing it. is there something i need to change in the lua?

[polar kelp]

I feel like we are fatebound now in pre patch? we only have 6 combo points?

or maybe we go 1 lethalist and skip supercharger to get strata

[obtuse brook]

So is fatebound or trickster the play now?

[glass mortar]

pins have the info

[quick ridge]

Does pistol shot still reduce damage dealt to the rogue? I can’t find the source of that effect in my spells or talents, but the debuff indicates it’s there

[glass mortar]

no

they removed it

prob never updated the debuff tooltip

[quick ridge]

Do you happen to know roughly when they removed that effect? Is it a midnight thing?

[glass mortar]

midnight

it was on this talent

[quick ridge]

Appreciate your help! I was thinking I was going crazy

Ohhh

[glass mortar]

which used to be on the right side of the tree

[quick ridge]

That’s right. Thank you, thank you

[gaunt phoenix]

No we have 7

[real mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/broke-no-cash-gif-25565154

[polar kelp]

Just saw the pin, thanks!

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty pivot]

I have an extra idea for a trickster talent. Allow autos to continue during KS channel. Add it in the next build please. Thanks!

[gaunt phoenix]

sure

[mighty pivot]

when you press KS it legit feels like your energy pauses

[copper radish]

That plus if it channeled faster based off attack speed

[mighty pivot]

instead of just haste? because otherwise it doubledips

[copper radish]

Anything for a faster channel lol

[mighty pivot]

they can just... reduce the base channel instead

[gaunt phoenix]

Gain 25% haste while Killing Spree is active.

[copper radish]

Mini lust every time

[mighty pivot]

ship it

[glass mortar]

[mighty pivot]

they still haven't fixed that our tooltips say 1 to 6 combo points huh

[glass mortar]

shit like this is so funny because its the most unhinged way to just reduce ksprees channel time by 1/4th

but there is possible interactions for trinkets or items that put hasted dots up

btw has anyone actually tested if the 5% dr is gone from PS

or did they just bin it from the tooltip like the blind talent but its still functioning

[glass mortar]

granted, but only the mh autos (the oh is shooting the gun dummy!)

[mighty pivot]

well it shouldn't work, but they did forget to update that tooltip too, and now it is being fed another value (probably its damage done)

so you get this

[glass mortar]

rogue tank enjoyers r gunna lose their mind with this one

[copper radish]

So do they take their own damage at that point lol

[mighty pivot]

they just heal the rogue

[compact mountain]

Did our talents actually change with the patch today? I don't see anythign different.

[frail veldt]

Yes

[glass mortar]

they didnt change but the ones u can pick changed which updated the aoe builds

info is in the pins

[frail veldt]

You might not have been impacted

But yeah pins have the full post

[mighty pivot]

if he is max level he is impacted

[compact mountain]

Oh I see, we spend 1 more point before the last 3 tiers, so we have 1 less after

[copper radish]

Only 16 more days till we rocking 90

[wintry solar]

[copper radish]

You ready for ur outlaw return?

[wintry solar]

It had me wiggling my toes in bed this morning

[mighty pivot]

ok buddy relax

[glass mortar]

[wintry solar]

Mmmm

[wintry solar]

@cinder relic

[frail veldt]

I thought popo and guy both like current outlaw

[mighty pivot]

yes

[wintry solar]

That's uhuh

[frail veldt]

Oh guys not in the grave igi

[wintry solar]

Yeah lol

[mighty pivot]

they are also the only ones who give blizzard any credit btw

[wintry solar]

I give it where it's due

As a healthy person would

[frail veldt]

Yeah we've never given blizzard any credit(except for loving outlaws gameplay for the last 2 years)

[mighty pivot]

only popo and guy do that, stop lying

[frail veldt]

True

[wintry solar]

Hey I criticize this Outlaw too

It ain't all sunshine and rainbows

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-write-scribble-sketch-draw-gif-17181052902092737226

[mighty pivot]

solo post cat!

[wintry solar]

He just did

[mighty pivot]

his own cat

not some rando

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-write-scribble-sketch-draw-gif-17181052902092737226

[wintry solar]

Guy too

[wintry solar]

No such thing as a rando cat

[frail veldt]

Who says that's not his cat

[wintry solar]

That's also true

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/tole-tole-mei-mei-cat-vro-sister-mei-gif-5058489670031568296

[wintry solar]

Zeross and his cat

[stable wolf]

Guy here!
Just want to confirm this picture is real and not AI it's true

[wintry solar]

Yeah Guy didn't react. He must have me on ignore

[mighty pivot]

smart tbh

[wintry solar]

And you're a bully

[mighty pivot]

cute cat!

[wintry solar]

Why he look suspicious

[mighty pivot]

#outlaw message this is why

[arctic merlin]

hello sorry if it's been repeated a lot, but how bad are the changes, i saw some talent changes too, but is it really terrible or is it meh

[gaunt phoenix]

prepatch tuning will suck but beta just remains to be seen

[wintry solar]

Poor baby :(

[low glade]

beta down

rogue rework incoming?

[brave lagoon]

ah yes "the error"

[gaunt phoenix]

ye just fix it

[brave lagoon]

kinda wish I knew which addon threw that error tho

[pastel sierra]

Could just be blizzard UI

The amount of times i had buff frame errors

[brave lagoon]

probably

[mighty pivot]

the funniest side effect of the new patch is that recuperator got nerfed by being less accessible

[brave lagoon]

my fps in fight tank down to like 10 and that error pops up

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt notice, but they added blade flurry cast to AR reduction as well

[pastel sierra]

I have had 5 digits, i havent managed to hit 6 digits yet

[gaunt phoenix]

that one might have at least some impact

[mighty pivot]

it seems a random BF spell id, isn't the cast 13877?

[gaunt phoenix]

it becomes that other one when deft maneuvers is talented

[mighty pivot]

to me it looks like it's just an extra spell that fires instead

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe

[mighty pivot]

like with shuriken storm

because in logs the cast is still showing the low spell id

so you have 1 spell cast for the normal spell, and 1 extra spell cast for the energize effect

the spell id 400000 whatever that they've added doesn't even have a gcd

(but the base spell is already on AR's list anyway)

[undone notch]

Is the melee damage bonus talent still worth taking after the melee damage tweak over the adren rush talents?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah, but you also take the AR talents

[undone notch]

What do we give up then?

[gaunt phoenix]

Find and Opening and Heavy Hitter can go now

see pinned message

[wintry solar]

Find and Opening

@mighty pivot my kitty cat acquisition is happening as we speak

[undone notch]

I trade FaO for Menacing Rush and 1 Heavy Hitter tier for Prep

Hopefully I'm not throwing :/

Losing 3 final tier talent points hurts too

Did they fix Blind being bugged to still be AoE?

W airborne irritant?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's still aoe

we don't talk about that

[mighty pivot]

I hope you are not stealing someone's cat. send pix

[wintry solar]

No pix yet. I will send them day of.

A little bday gift for myself :)

I also bought a new gun for my bday but that's whatever

Kitty cat :]

[low glade]

you got that thang on you now?

[wintry solar]

I got that thang on me

[low glade]

bro sliding with the big iron

[wintry solar]

.357 magnum

High pressure

[gaunt phoenix]

fame is a gun

[wintry solar]

Is that Addison Rae?

[mighty pivot]

fan the hammer irl popo

[wintry solar]

Maybe

This summabitch is heavy

[mighty pivot]

so are you

[lime lake]

not cool bro

[wintry solar]

Wowww

I've been losing fat and gaining muscle so

Idk it's weird feeling

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[mighty pivot]

you've been training those jaws for years. eep time now

[wintry solar]

Professional yappers never rest

[wintry solar]

Kitty cat tomorrow evening

[gaunt phoenix]

look at that dawg

[wintry solar]

Idek what mine looks like

I just know he's young and a male

We love all kitties tho so idc

[undone notch]

Nvm Preparation feels wack gimme my heavy hitter back

[gaunt phoenix]

it maybe more of a thing for more coordinated keys

[keen belfry]

remember outlaw

[past falcon]

sometimes i still hear its name...

[quaint mauve]

ima go on my moot arc

but instead of hunter

ima just talk about how fun dk is in here

[wintry solar]

Like that Zach guy

[past falcon]

dark zach

[wintry solar]

With fury

[quaint mauve]

is zach like

evil zac

[deft verge]

so is this just the shittiest pve and pvp spec or nah

[wintry solar]

Nah

[quaint mauve]

it’s not the WORST

pretty sure everyone has it in middle of the pack rn

[covert kestrel]

zach is zacs american alt that he trolls on

[quaint mauve]

in their lists

but idk is it crazy to say

i miss outlaw from

like

a couple weeks ago

spec just feels sluggish now in comparison

[wintry solar]

Well I miss the spec from 4 years ago

But wish in one hand and shit in another and see which fills up first.

[craggy barn]

i mostly miss not needing to upkeep blade flurry

[quaint mauve]

yeah wouldn’t have to do that if you just played a dk bro

i love playing my dk

[craggy barn]

? im tanking next season

[quaint mauve]

like you get invited to groups and it’s like fun and stuff

[craggy barn]

im tanking unless i get this job pepw

[quaint mauve]

man your name reminded me of something

why did they not give us a dragon tanking spec

i was so sure it would happen when evoker got announced

[wintry solar]

Because blizz sucks

[craggy barn]

shrug i can only assume they think the tank slot is oversaturated and theres not a playbase to support more tank specs

[wintry solar]

When I seen the model for the dracthyr all hope was lost for ever getting a cool race

[craggy barn]

though that recent survey about potential new specs

means they do think about it

[wintry solar]

They peaked, no more good races.

[craggy barn]

idk

[quaint mauve]

we got twink dragons over dragonbornes so sad

[craggy barn]

ascendant spider people are pretty cool

i 100% would race change from undead to spider

or faction swap to snake

[past falcon]

tuskarr when

[wintry solar]

Allied races

[craggy barn]

kinda wish they just used an old race instead of bringing in haronir

[daring yoke]

for prepatch fatebound ST, was there any worthy change since patch today?

[wintry solar]

I wish we got those big dragonkin guards instead

Imagine being one of them and a warrior

Holy peak

[gaunt phoenix]

nope

[hot patio]

yo! super quick, which are the best posions for outlaw to use

[gaunt phoenix]

your lethal poison is almost always Instant Poison

there are some cases, like the miniboss in Halls of Atonement, you can swap to Wound Poison for the healing reduction

your nonlethal poison is generally a choice between Atrophic and Numbing

can use atrophic in raid and numbing in keys

[hot patio]

thank you! super helpful actually

[craggy barn]

what prekey stuff are we doing now

[keen belfry]

turning on awangs spotify

affirming oneself

and saying GLHF to your teammates in the key

[vapid blaze]

better than jpc playlist or

[torpid fiber]

truth nuke bis pre-key

[tribal cosmos]

Damn outlaw mined to be nerfed again

Gg

[topaz tapir]

Anyone have suggestions on making it easier to see what stage my RtB is at?

[gaunt phoenix]

not much you can do other than display the buff. not sure if arcui can attach a different alert for each stage or something. at least there is a pattern

one die is stage 1
two dice is stage 2
three dice is stage 3
golden dice is jackpot

[topaz tapir]

Okay, that's good to know, thank you

[wintry solar]

I feel like jackpot is up pretty often ngl

I bet KiR is sleeper

[pastel pendant]

U play kir in midnight?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[cinder relic]

its not really a "build" anymore like it used to be

Its just a button

[pastel pendant]

😢

I’m a fury player now idk y I ask

[craggy barn]

kir vs ho is gone
and ho lost

[gaunt phoenix]

good

[pastel pendant]

The fact u have to dispatch first before bte in opener to get slice up sucks so much

[gaunt phoenix]

it is weird

[jolly geyser]

snd still in the game somehow

[untold wadi]

type yes to affirm

https://tenor.com/view/back-alley-cut-gif-10565933671368706008

[craggy barn]

would u rather gravedigger rank 1 to be chance at double bte buff, or cast dispatch

[limpid isle]

would you rather use SnD raw or cast Dispatch 🤔

[wintry solar]

Literally no winners

[untold wadi]

mafic is the winner

[wintry solar]

You're Mafic

[frail veldt]

they both lost lets face it

new HO doesnt play like HO

and new KiR doesnt play like KiR

mutually assured destruction

[untold wadi]

i've never been more insulted in my life

[frail veldt]

🏄‍♂️

[cobalt token]

ive had fights

where i got it 3 times in a row

shit is pure ecstasy

[pastel pendant]

Yep it’s over

[shell fossil]

i wanna yap but

[pastel pendant]

Tell me about it

[shell fossil]

ye is over

[pastel pendant]

Everything sucks

[shell fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-chair-cat-in-chair-funny-gif-26235757

[pastel pendant]

I try to stay positive

But what’s the point

[shell fossil]

roll ele sham and do a timewalking campaigne

i guess

[mighty pivot]

is it arriving by donkey?

[wintry solar]

No

What a ridiculous question

You should be ashamed of yourself

[pastel pendant]

Nah it isn’t

Who wants to play outlaw anymore

Let’s not kid ourselves here

[cinder relic]

Because being negative your entire life sucks

[pastel pendant]

Life sucks what else is new

At least I was having fun playing wow before

Now

Soulless

😢

[shell fossil]

a free dinar would have been nice

[wintry solar]

Made me lol irl

[pastel pendant]

Going back in time would be nice too

[wintry solar]

My life is great rn

Getting a cat AND stuff for my hobbies tomorrow

[pastel pendant]

I envy you

Happiness escapes me

I’m just being realistic here

There’s nothing to look forward to in this game

[wintry solar]

I think you put too much weight on a game

[pastel pendant]

They butchered my favorite Sox

Spec

[wintry solar]

They liberated it from a dead-end design

That's how I see it

[pastel pendant]

Well we agree to disagree then

I can’t argue too much otherwise I might get kicked

Just another thing to worry about

But I respect your opinion even though I completely disagree with it, respectfully

[wintry solar]

What else could you add though?

[modest nova]

KIR in AoE

[wintry solar]

You thought you could escape

[pastel pendant]

Add? Well for starters they took everything away that was fun

[river wing]

eh, I played some more outlaw in prepatch
needs energy even with 30% haste, like that's kinda bad
but otherwise it's...the most fun Rogue spec on offer atm

[modest nova]

Get me out

[wintry solar]

HO tuning inc

[pastel pendant]

They just need to revert the changes they made

They don’t need to add anything

[river wing]

(hate KiR tho)

[pastel pendant]

Just revert what they did

[cobalt token]

it isnt over before you let it be over also did they just now change sum?

[pastel pendant]

Nah

I’m talking just about this pre patch in general

I’m dooming hard

This spec hurts to play

[cobalt token]

😭

[shell fossil]

hopefully they have something before prepatch ends this is pretty anemic

[cobalt token]

its not even bad to play

[cinder relic]

He comes here every day to complain for an hourish

[cobalt token]

we just need more dmg

[cinder relic]

Pay no mind

[silk stirrup]

how's outlaw in prepatch after the changes?

[cinder relic]

The same

[shell fossil]

good luck timing an 18 with speed

[silk stirrup]

I see trickster is preferred now

[cobalt token]

literally bane farting would do more damage

[modest nova]

will be fatebound at lvl 90 if i'm not wrong

[silk stirrup]

Do we fully channel KS or clip it? I remember it did bd damage

[cobalt token]

thats kinda it in a nutshell

[silk stirrup]

damn

[cobalt token]

were doing less than aug evoker

on logs

[shell fossil]

you can still gap people in heroic raids but

that's about as fast as rogue is going right this second/week whatevers

[cobalt token]

mate you could gap heroic pug folk upside down with a blindfold on no audio

[shell fossil]

put on the blindfold next to the dh boss and do iT

[pastel pendant]

It’s not the same

[cobalt token]

id still do more than the french shaman jerking off at the edge not getting rid of puddles

[shell fossil]

collect so the raid is saved

[pastel pendant]

Outlaw is doa

[bright reef]

for you maybe

[pastel pendant]

I could cry

But I have no tears

[cobalt token]

then cry

[pastel pendant]

Left to shed

[cobalt token]

😭

[pastel pendant]

😢

[cobalt token]

thats wild

idk its just me i guess

but give us a dmg buff across the board

and were piss fine

[pastel pendant]

It’s not you it’s me

I promise

[modest nova]

Wait a minute

no killing spree ?

[cinder relic]

He doesn't care about the damage. He just wants the old version of the spec

[modest nova]

[cobalt token]

make killing spree apply between the eyes debuff

😎

[pastel pendant]

Me sad

[cinder relic]

But instead of moving on from that fact here we are

[wintry solar]

I'm still waiting for SL Outlaw to comeback

[cinder relic]

I kinda like the version we got rn idk

[shell fossil]

i wouldn't mind seeing feral getting the old killing spree

not cause im a furry or whatever

[cinder relic]

Instead of er or sbs we have kir, fan and killing Spree

[bright reef]

on top of every shot being a 7cp BtE

[cinder relic]

It's chill honestly

[shell fossil]

just y'know it's a good ability

[wintry solar]

I used flag like a man