outlaw

[covert kestrel]

From #outlaw-faq

[heady dawn]

Any good UIs around

[exotic gale]

no

[sacred rune]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[sullen surge]

hey guys couple of questions, first one might be a bit stupid but i wanted to be clear with them, when it says on the faq channels for example to use flurry at 4+ targets, does it mean at more than 4 (so minimum at 5) or at 4 or more?

[gaunt phoenix]

4 or more

[sullen surge]

ok ty

also, when i have adrenaline rush coming up and I have a current roll the bones buff about to run out, does Loaded DIce improve upon my current buff or does it just make my next roll a minimum 2 buff?

[glass mortar]

next roll

[sullen surge]

okok ty

btw i just got a guy whisper me on beta saying that the crafted weapons on beta are bugged, anyone got news on that?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/sim-simyoself-gif-20048910

[gaunt phoenix]

Stone Idol is bis, at least for pure aoe, it's a crit trinket

Forgotten skies is a weird ramping trinket i think it's strictly good in longer single target pulls

[flint olive]

Ty

[thorn parrot]

Stone idol is so damn awkward to use. Simming with it compared to Seaforium got me a 2-3k increase in DPS. Long live the peacemaker.

[gaunt phoenix]

it should win in aoe but lose st

and you do need some ui shit to track your trinkets again

[mighty pivot]

piratebro 👀

[gaunt phoenix]

it's probably possible to be so overloaded on prepatch crit that crit trinkets are not that good. some of those mastery trinkets are fairly close in fuu sim

[granite bramble]

what do i do with roll the bones in beta? do i just use it on cd? or is there something to it

[gaunt phoenix]

You roll for stage 2 or higher

[granite bramble]

do i dispath on max combo only?

do i macro between the eyes with dispatch keybind?

[gaunt phoenix]

If you are using the Fatebound hero tree, you dispatch at 5 cps. But you DO NOT bte at 5cps, it must be 6 or 7

cant macro bte and dispatch, they are both on the global

[granite bramble]

do i ever ambush?

[gaunt phoenix]

nope

unless the ambush build gets tuned higher

for now no ambush

[granite bramble]

what about vanish

[gaunt phoenix]

nope

[crimson scarab]

does anyone have problems with the cooldown manager?

everytime i enter combat it stops working, does not show any ongoing buffs, like BF and rtb

same for assa and sub

for other classes it works

[gaunt phoenix]

are you using an addon for it?

[crimson scarab]

so it seems like a rogue problem

no, im using the blizz one

more or less the same layout for all specs, but it doesnt work only for rogue

i tried deleting and making it a new

still the issue persists

[gaunt phoenix]

have you tried disabling all addons?

[crimson scarab]

yeah

still nothing

its super strange how i have this issue only with rogue, with other specs no problem whatsoever

im using the same addons for all classes

[gaunt phoenix]

can't say i've seen it mentioned before

[crimson scarab]

and when outside of combat, everything is in order

super strange

top right u can see i have the buffs active, but the CD manager doesnt show anything

[gaunt phoenix]

in edit mode the display is set to "always" yeah?

[crimson scarab]

now outside of combat, you can see buffs

super strange

[crimson scarab]

yeah it is

[granite bramble]

is that weakauras

[crimson scarab]

no, its blizz UI

[granite bramble]

how you see countdown

[covert kestrel]

weakauras is dead

[crimson scarab]

check out luxthos, i am using his profile

[granite bramble]

thx

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dog-scared-driving-speed-gif-17175923473683955109

[prisma heron]

This looks nice! Luxthos is still providing stuff?

[covert kestrel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D9-voINFkCg

[crimson scarab]

yeah, check him out

i have been using his UI suggestions since forever

[crimson scarab]

if anyone else has a simillar issue, i needed to uninstall all addons from Curse and install them again, only disabling them did not work

now its fixed, FYI

[gaunt phoenix]

Beta build updates

1. Fatebound is still marginally ahead of Trickster at level 90 beta at both ST and AoE.

• They are super close on average -- within 1-3% -- so Trickster can definitely be explored, but frankly it doesn't offer anything other than permanent Tricks. You lose priority damage with KS, you lose damage anytime you swap off a Fazed target, and it has a wider variance as you are more likely to lowroll on energy.

2. Fatebound can use Thief's Versatility instead of Flickering Steel when geared

• Once you hit ~25% haste or so, Fatebound is expected to be energy saturated on average so Flickering Steel can actually be removed and the extra vers is showing a slightly bigger increase. It's also a bit more damage reduction for whatever that's worth

3. There is a different aoe build where you remove some crit/BtE talents: looks like this (Wowhead link)
   • At the start of the expansion, when we don't really have decent crit or haste, this build should be ahead of the standard build by up to 4% or so, and also will have WAY more consistent dps output.
   • As far as I can tell you can swap to the standard build at around 25% crit and 20% haste, give or take: really at about 1300 total stat volume distributed between crit and haste, ignoring flasks and such.
   • There is not really a single target version, the pathing/talent gates are too restrictive

[mighty pivot]

first

that no bte-talent build looks omegacursed

[gaunt phoenix]

ye a bit

no ace gaming

[covert kestrel]

We really flew right past 1 point Ace to 0 point Ace

[mighty pivot]

rip

[covert kestrel]

Well maybe if we all switch to it they will realize what a fail that talent point is and iterate (they won't)

[mighty pivot]

they won't, they might just change the numbers a bit

[gaunt phoenix]

Ace should still be really close to sleight

even with negative gear

lemme put ace back for now

[granite bramble]

why does my spell not make a noise when its ready!?

[eternal robin]

hey guys can anyone tell if me theres a posion reminder addon to substitute the WA? can´t find one on curseforge

[covert kestrel]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[covert kestrel]

EasyReminders^

[eternal robin]

tysm

[gaunt phoenix]

there is a rudimentary one yeah

[eternal robin]

wym rudimentary? can´t click to apply?

[gaunt phoenix]

only outside of instances, cant display numbling/atrophic poison interchangeably, only shows when expired

[eternal robin]

i see, ty

[crimson scarab]

btw quick question, for pre-patch has cold blooded killer been fixed?

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[granite bramble]

these are literally addons like weakaura stuff..

[covert kestrel]

[granite bramble]

can you find me 1 that just makes a sound when bte is ready?

[crimson scarab]

why do u want a sound ?

[granite bramble]

cuz its too far to track with my eyes

[eternal robin]

then place it on another bar

easier

[granite bramble]

i cant

[crimson scarab]

why dont u use CD manager?

[eternal robin]

or just move th bars so u have it centered

[covert kestrel]

use edit mode to move it to the middle? or use CD manager?

[gaunt phoenix]

the cd manager should let you display BTE in the middle of your screen and also add a sound alert

[granite bramble]

it doesnt have a timer, it gets ready sometimes in 2 seconds sometimes in 10 sometimes in 4

during aoe, im watching the floor. because of the nature of the cd i rely on sound

[eternal robin]

well with all the changes I think the best is for you to rearrange keybinds and bars so u can see it easily

[granite bramble]

IT DOES NOT

IT DOES NOT WORK!

[gaunt phoenix]

okay

[eternal robin]

everyone had to change their UI man, just spend 1 or 2 hours rearranging everything

[gaunt phoenix]

i'm not home to test my own sound alert

with cdm

[granite bramble]

my ui hasnt changed since classic

[torn lichen]

Mage taking angst out on rogue. Classic.

[granite bramble]

im not any mage

[eternal robin]

it should buddy, specially now

[torn lichen]

[granite bramble]

theres nothing to change tho.

[eternal robin]

definetly the btw position

[granite bramble]

i just need alert, i dont look at between the eyes. and alert doesnt work

[eternal robin]

but you do you, not trying to tell u how to play

[granite bramble]

r is my icelance, i dont need to see it to know its there

[covert kestrel]

its literally built in

[granite bramble]

correct, its not working tho

[gaunt phoenix]

i have heard the sound alert can be delayed or fucked up

maybe something to do with outlaw cdr

[eternal robin]

but in this case as you say you need to track the cd

[granite bramble]

it works on the buff section

[eternal robin]

if you cant use a sound then you should move it in my opinion

at least until the bug is fixed

[granite bramble]

i dont look at any of my keybinds tho

as rogue

[covert kestrel]

i just tested it and it was working fine for me, only delay was it seems to check when its ready + you have a GCD

[eternal robin]

you can create a 1 button bar and place it centered so u see when the cd is up

if sounds not working with the cdr you are not going to solve it with an addon

[prisma heron]

Thanks! I figured it was dead since WA changes

[errant fractal]

is there some way to sim all consumables for rogue? x.x

[torn lichen]

#tc-research has input for advanced sims in the pins

[errant fractal]

tyty

[hasty warren]

is it possible with arcui to had a reminder glow effect when an aura is missing ? (rtb buffs)

[proven ocean]

@gaunt phoenix i found an airplane

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/stephenvlog-kepler-cat-astronocat-stephengif-gif-13257175

[mighty pivot]

that gcd delay basically kills it though

[covert kestrel]

Well considering the person we were talking to refused to move BtE off their side bar or even move bars or use CDM or whatever, it would be a step forward lol

[mighty pivot]

ye ||this person might be moot's alt or something ||

[white marten]

Is it okay to send finishers at 5CP?

[covert kestrel]

#1276307559061524652 message

[keen belfry]

Ok ninjarobot do we get a build today?

Of massive outlaw changes

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/popcat-popcatsolana-gif-8538396917441362288

[mighty pivot]

we already got that yesterday. You can't be that greedy! Next week again

[keen belfry]

ok ty

[copper radish]

Another day closer to midnight

[west ridge]

look at that wingspan

[light jackal]

hey! I know this is a pretty general question but what should dps averege look on prepatch around 160 ilvl?

[prisma heron]

Outlaw is funny because everyone says it’s super high APM and your wrists etc.

I can’t play high apm classes with repeated button mashing because my hands cramp up.

I play with a gamepad for that reason and I actually find outlaw super relaxing and soothing because most of the key presses are reactive.

I find i button mash a lot more on other “slower” classes because you want to make sure the input registers when the gcd ends so I button mash a lot more between actual inputs

[dreamy tiger]

bois did we get bug fixed on live as well?

I feel like I am doing a lot more dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think so, not anything recent

[gaunt phoenix]

can run a target dummy sim on raidbots

should be an accurate average

[iron fable]

will fatebound use KS in midnight?

[gaunt phoenix]

nop

[iron fable]

just now it doesnt have the spare point?

sadge

[frail veldt]

KS was also nerfed a lot

[keen belfry]

this means outlaw fix?

[covert kestrel]

Ctrl+F, "rogue", not found

dae rogue changes cast vanish amiright?

[keen belfry]

did i read it wrong does it mean they are announcing changes to or they are pushing the most recent beta builkd to prepatch on the 10th

[frank finch]

i think we get the most recent changes on the 10th

[strange kelp]

Yeah they are just pushing the recent beta changes live from my understanding

I think it's mainly to push the UI stuff to live

[keen belfry]

okay but no cause that means they arent fixing outlaw on the 10th then

[covert kestrel]

not with that attitude

[terse fractal]

is keep it rolling going to be meta for M+? I love outlaw, but kinda hate all of the capstone talents..

[gaunt phoenix]

it is not a must pick talent, it is considerable

[covert kestrel]

KiR is one of like 5 or 6 talents that are withing a margin of each other

[gaunt phoenix]

The current recommended beta build has no capstones at all

[covert kestrel]

[tender wedge]

One problem is most of them being active buttons that people tend to feel one way or the other about

And when the other two are just baaaad

You’re in trouble

[upper hawk]

i use extra wide margins though

[terse fractal]

I dont want to press and track anything with a 6 minute cooldown. Seems clunky to me.

[upper hawk]

so the patch next week 12.0.0.0.1 or whatever, does that have all the tuning like the 10% melee reduction etc

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[shy meteor]

is the "standart build" the one recommended one for beta ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[shy meteor]

kk ty

[inland acorn]

Who needs capstones anyways

[terse fractal]

I thought I liked killing spree, and then i realized I wasnt even hitting my intended target half the time

[keen belfry]

more than half the time

[covert kestrel]

It gets cdr from restless so you're pressing it more like every 3 mins but yea

Maybe less? Idk what the current restless reductions on it are these days

[keen belfry]

its more than that

i think the rule we had was like, its 1/6th the cd is its effective cd

i remember hearing something like that

[covert kestrel]

I dont think you're pressing kir every minute tho

[gaunt phoenix]

it's more like 1/4 or 2/9

now

[keen belfry]

yeah did it change

we get less cdr now ye?

[gaunt phoenix]

of course

[keen belfry]

how much less

[quaint delta]

what bug is being fixed that the base damage buff is being reverted?

[keen belfry]

i guess our tb uptime is much lower

or, on average it is

[gaunt phoenix]

its from the apm

loss

less globals

[gaunt phoenix]

i assume fatebound auto attack thing

which was fixed right before their last raid test

[keen belfry]

1/4th of actual cd is easy to remember

[polar kelp]

So does this make fatebound even stronger now? No chance we go trickster?

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw message

[frail veldt]

I believe we already were testing with the bug "fixed"

[polar kelp]

Ah ok

[frail veldt]

but yeah read that post it covers it

I will say though anecdotally trickster feels far worse after the 5 minute sim period where tea plays a large role in your energy regen

[tender wedge]

Bro imagine if wow just went fully unhinged and started throwing random fractions into tooltips like “you have a 2/9 chance to swing again, dealing 6/13 damage of a normal sinister strike to your target and 3/7 to other nearby enemies (up to 5/12)

[gaunt phoenix]

they could say RTB has a 11/20 for stage 1 etc

[fathom bramble]

Dispatch has a 3/11 chance to cast again at 5/13ths effectiveness

[covert kestrel]

I'd rather have that than tooltips that don't explain anything

[fathom bramble]

would be nice if rtb math was in the game somewhere

[covert kestrel]

you tryna put solo out of a job??

[fathom bramble]

original roll the bones actually rolled 6 fair dice and just had the odds that it would have

now that's long gone

[gaunt phoenix]

displaying it like 11/20, 6/20, 2/20, 1/20 kinda does make it look more plausible

[fathom bramble]

true

[frail veldt]

A&W in the 80s came out with the "Third Pounder" which was a 1/3 pound burger but americans thought a quarter pounder "1/4 lb" was bigger so it failed....

I think fractions in wow might suffer similar issues considering the playerbase

[covert kestrel]

Well 4 is bigger than 3 so no wonder it failed

[frail veldt]

Tru tru

[inland acorn]

if we get BtE reset and AR is off cd, do we keep chaining BtE and press AR after chain ?

since BtE reset puts you at 4 cps

[covert kestrel]

you never want to delay AR unless there is mechanics or downtime coming up

[inland acorn]

ok, so in that case we ignore AR on 1-2 cps and just send it

Ty

[covert kestrel]

I would assume so but maybe im just an oldhead

[frail veldt]

well I think the other thing to consider is the rules were generated not for 2pt ace

cuz 2pt ace is a damage loss

so that situation doesnt actually happen

if youre playing one of the correct builds

unless something changed but I thought we were still playing 1 ace

[inland acorn]

i meant 3cps

[covert kestrel]

Did you see the no ace build that might be winning

[inland acorn]

with 1 ace you end up on 3 if it resets

[frail veldt]

yeeeeep

[frail veldt]

yeah if I was at 3cp I would adr if its up

only wasting 1cp from the rule

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cooking-let-me-cook-cat-let-me-cook-let-him-cook-gif-14801096915973119105

Chef solo

[frail veldt]

thats better than wasting a full finisher of cdr on adr

by a lot

[inland acorn]

y thought so, ty for answers tho

no cap i hope no ace build wins

this is depressing playing this

with ace being weak

[frail veldt]

Wat

No ace feels like the worst option haha

I mean if ace is gone we barely have any rotation left lol

There's nothing to react to then since gravedigger tells you before it resets

[inland acorn]

i would rather not play ace

than play some temu version of ace, compared to what we had

[covert kestrel]

thats when you just dont play outlaw, cause everything will remind you of her(crackshot)

[inland acorn]

https://tenor.com/view/pengu-pudgy-penguin-pudgypenguins-bored-gif-2039059133843263601

[quaint mauve]

i miss pressing BTE over and over again

felt so good to get good procs

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/reluctant-yes-better-call-saul-mike-ehrmantraut-jonathan-banks-uh-huh-gif-15976871660125751304

[bright ferry]

Hey outlaws, back on the pre-patch. I had time to experiment the new changes, but why does my BTE shine sometimes? Is it just to indicate me I had a refresh proc?

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[bright ferry]

Also, why aren't my cp refund so I can spam it like the good ol' days? Fun police just came by, I guess?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

ace is a 2 point talent, only 1 point is worth

[bright ferry]

meh, they removing all the fun/gimicky aspect is making the spec kind of boring tbh

[tender wedge]

i think that specific issue is more to do with bad tree design imo

[wintry solar]

On top of HORRID capstones

[tender wedge]

yeah outlaw plays ok if you ask me, but the tree needs a bit more help

[wintry solar]

Yeah outlaw is fine imo but the tree is really rough

2 point HH??

Why?

[keen belfry]

welcome to the champions club

[tender wedge]

1 fan the hammer, 1 summarily dispatched

[mighty pivot]

wow popo is so negative

[tender wedge]

outlaw seems to have a tonne of 2 point talents where you sometimes can only take 1, i hate thyat

[wintry solar]

Couldn't come up with your own club?

[wintry solar]

Naw

It's objectively bad

[keen belfry]

welcome to the chamapaion

[wintry solar]

Welcome to the champagne

[keen belfry]

if they made ace and hh 1 pointers, and charges, outlaw is just back to being solid

but thats too much iteration

we get that in 1am

[mighty pivot]

welcome to the champignon club!

[keen belfry]

thank you

[tender wedge]

how can i join this chomping club

[keen belfry]

Weclome

[pastel pendant]

ace not refuding full points is a crime

ive only played my rogue once since prepatch just too depressing to even bother

[wintry solar]

[fossil lintel]

if that's the case, don't try literally anything else i guess

some shit got hit hard

[pastel pendant]

fury war is still fun to me, mw is ok evrything just feels bland

but outlaw is the worst to me just becuz it was way more fun before

[tender wedge]

you have to be OCE

trying to geoguess based on the time of your doomposting has become its own little minigame for me

[lime lake]

Zac is French so evil Zach has to be the opposite

British?

[tender wedge]

nah my guess is aus

altho most oce are more chill so its hard to say

[covert kestrel]

Ragnaros

[tender wedge]

damn ragnaros killed the conversation. just like it kills my keys

[wintry solar]

Shant speak that name anywhere

[rough marlin]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[fossil lintel]

@gaunt phoenix can slight of hand proc together with loaded dice?

[true dust]

hey, new outlaw rogue main here. Since weakauras is gone, what is a good way to track my cooldowns and diceroll stages?

[fossil lintel]

CDM

[inner sky]

!addons

[frank finch]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[inner sky]

❤️

[true dust]

thanks i'll have a look into it

seems a little overwhelming at first glance 😄

[shy meteor]

do we know how much the changes or nerfs affected us ? i mean in % numbers?

[vivid vessel]

more than 15% less damage than last week?

[shy meteor]

i figured that much, but didnt they say the bugfixes are a buff which are somewhat balancing out the 15 % nerf

[fossil lintel]

The bugfix was applied last week

[vivid vessel]

we alreayd had the bug fix last week so

the numbers you saw last week

we do 15% less

[shy meteor]

thanks

[quick ridge]

What do numbers matter when we’re having fun?

[fossil lintel]

are we having fun though?

[thick vigil]

fun

[shy meteor]

because im interested and in my opinion only a few dd´s have fun being dogshit

even if they´re playing "good"

[ionic citrus]

Who's the foreverguy of Subtetly rogues?

[fossil lintel]

depends, what aspect of guy?

[shy meteor]

fuu or eleem i think

[ionic citrus]

thx

[cinder relic]

Also foreverguy

[craggy barn]

but what about the forever guy of sin

[cursive jay]

Prime seliathan

[pallid moss]

Is there a way to hide wangbar when flying? Can’t seem to figure it out (also using arcui if that matters)

[ionic citrus]

https://tenor.com/view/quiet-quietdown-ross-gellar-graycdav-gif-4050279

[keen belfry]

i could add this!

[cinder relic]

LOLOL

[ionic citrus]

You'll never be the Jhonwei of Sins thou.

[pallid moss]

Yes please 🙏

[cinder relic]

True

[craggy barn]

guy deadlock is fun af

[keen belfry]

or zomb could add it

[craggy barn]

im busy refactoring ur shit

[cinder relic]

Deadlock is the best pvp game on the market

[craggy barn]

im not adding anything other than class stuff

[keen belfry]

i almost did a big refactor after i added 5x more than i thought iwas gonna

ill be curious your refactor

[craggy barn]

idk anymore

overwatch is finally releasing jetpack cat

[lime lake]

i genuinely considered downloading overwatch again when i saw that

fortunately i didnt

but i was very close

[craggy barn]

i play it every now and then. its just in my pile of games i only really want to play with friends tho

sometimes ill solo queue a game here and there

[cinder relic]

Objective hero shooters just upset me way too much

because people have "mains" and have no actual desire to try and win

Ive played OW since launch, I stopped playing about a year or two ago? too many Junkrat + mei into mercy + echo + phara + dva comps

Like it's just so assinine

[craggy barn]

yea i just fuck around in qp

[cinder relic]

I mean even in QP its just irritating

[craggy barn]

for sure

i get frustrated too but im giga washed and dont mind it as much anymore

[cinder relic]

Also the hero designs in general just piss me off too much with such low TTK

Which is just a genre feature, not really an overwatch problem

[exotic agate]

It's nice to chill and play some mass effect and witcher 3

[craggy barn]

MR and OW fulfil a niche that i enjoy sometimes, i just hate solo queing

[cinder relic]

Lots of what I'd argue as objectively horribly design heroes exist in that game

[craggy barn]

deadlock, with brawl mode now, i dont mind soloq

[cinder relic]

Widow still exists, mercy still exists, they add character to the game like Lifeweaver, Mauga, even shit like venedetta

Just all terrible designs in their own unique ways

[cinder relic]

Yerrr, been filling out the backlog and just killing time before wow launch

[craggy barn]

nice backlog

wallpaper engine HUGE

[cinder relic]

Big computer upgrade means I get to finished cyberpunk and doom

I wanted to replay dishonored 2 as well, such a good game

[craggy barn]

yuh

[exotic agate]

ea play has some games also

[cinder relic]

Finished my MP terraria playthrough

Time to do my solo playthrough

Buys a $1400 GPU, plays terraria and baba is you

[craggy barn]

[solemn vessel]

im making a new rogue for OL what race should i make it

[vivid vessel]

dwarf

[solemn vessel]

i could deff lock in dwarf

as long as my feet dont show idc what race

[covert kestrel]

goblin for bis stealth that youll never see any more

[craggy barn]

wait for expansion and drop a haro

[solemn vessel]

wont see my invis agian?

do i still play trick or coin

[low glade]

what's up fellow best-spec-in-the-game enjoyers

we still #1 on beta?

[craggy barn]

🙂

[solemn vessel]

how is OL compared to sub well IG everything changed but it took me like almost half TWW to get sub optimized rota down

[covert kestrel]

itll take you half of half of half of half of half of half of s1 midnight to get new sub optimized rota down

[solemn vessel]

yea i still play sub they made it very easy

any weps that would go good with this (TMOG)

[frail veldt]

ive beeeeen sayin that

its a great game

[frail veldt]

did you miss the 15% nerf?

[vivid vessel]

i almost thought outlaw would be good

boring but good

at least we would have got something

[craggy barn]

it doesnt matter anymore, blizzard had a survey talking about rogue tank, so that for sure 100% be a thing and we will no longer have to think about any other rogue specs

[granite merlin]

lol I’ve been an undead rogue since classic but so very very tempting to play my mechagnome rogue but would feel like I’m cheating got sickest mog ever

[glass mortar]

what unholy thought is tempting you to play mechagnome

lock it away and banish it into the void

along with the diaper gnomes

[frail veldt]

If any of the 3 specs gets converted to tank I'd bet it's outlaw

[nova sinew]

Honestly if they did this they’d probably just rework outlaw into a tank but I don’t think will

[glass mortar]

id be pretty shocked to get a rogue tank

[nova sinew]

It would be stupid

[wintry solar]

Correct

[glass mortar]

nah its just got too much overlap with the other leather tanks

and also theres like 4 leather tanks already

[frail veldt]

Does that matter

[fathom bramble]

idk every other leather class has a tank spec

[glass mortar]

probably not super much but it feels a bit silly

[frail veldt]

Tank specific gear is only ever trinkets or maybe jewelry

[granite merlin]

lol can I post my mechagnome mog in here?

[frail veldt]

Sure but people are gonna make fun of you probably

[glass mortar]

like all of the leather tanks have some form of avoidance themed mitigation and brm is arguably main themed around it

[wintry solar]

Probably?

I def will

[frail veldt]

Same

[glass mortar]

and what would rogues "flavor" for tanking be if not avoiding damage by dodging/parrying

[lime lake]

you can just make it a parry tank then its copying a plate class instead of leather

easy

[nova sinew]

Why wouldn’t that be it

[frail veldt]

Isn't that dh

[glass mortar]

because dodging stuff is brms theme

[lime lake]

but also yeah idk why that matters

[glass mortar]

and parrying is veng

[nova sinew]

Who cares

[lime lake]

blood parries as well

[glass mortar]

blizzard does

[frail veldt]

I mean yeah we can overlap

[nova sinew]

They’ll steal from the other specs they do that all the time

[lime lake]

prot war and pal both block

[glass mortar]

they dont like making specs with identical themes

or very similar

[lime lake]

tank specs overlap all over the place

[glass mortar]

brm was sold as the avoidance tank

obviously every tank dodges and parries and whatnot

[frail veldt]

Temu ironman

[wintry solar]

Damn that's actually good

[lime lake]

shoulders are the wrong color

[wintry solar]

The only good mechgnome mog in existence

[covert kestrel]

We can hear you

[granite merlin]

It’s not me lol I didn’t realize it clipped two guys in discord

[covert kestrel]

Voice doxx == engaged

[frail veldt]

Hahahaha

[covert kestrel]

Sounds like a white male between the ages of 22-48

[granite merlin]

Good guess 48

[covert kestrel]

I'm a god

[nova sinew]

Holy unc

[granite merlin]

Come on though you have to admit that makes for an interesting outlaw 😄

[wintry solar]

Sinister Punch

[covert kestrel]

The only interesting outlaw is my mother as she evades the feds for felony tax evasion with her banana scam

[craggy barn]

they just gonna add a new spec dw

not rework something

[fathom bramble]

fixes the fist wep animation problem by being so small you can't see it

[craggy barn]

just straigh tup add specs bc they did it twice

[lime lake]

also im pretty sure if you ask most people what brm theme is its stagger and brews, not dodging

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-giant-wig-out-crazy-robot-funny-gif-26293478

[wintry solar]

That's you

[craggy barn]

er i guess 3 times

[granite merlin]

I have same mog on a mistweaver monk mechagnome it looks effing hilarious with fists of fury

And glyph of jab

[glass mortar]

i guess there entire mastery is dodging and they have plenty of dodge talents

stagger is part of their avoiding damage sure. its not identical to what a rogue tank could be

pretty heavy overlap tho imo fantasy wise

[lime lake]

mechanically dodging is important, thematically i would say it isnt

[covert kestrel]

Rework Aug to tank 2027

[glass mortar]

id love a rogue tank i just dont see them doing it

aug shoulda been a tank

we have 2 classes in the game primed and ready for an earth magic themed tank

theres so little earth magic in this game in general

[wintry solar]

Those twinks shouldn't be allowed to tank as any class

[covert kestrel]

That use the last armor type that doesn't have a tank

[nova sinew]

They are bankrupt on outlaw

Sub is the burst spec assa is the execute rot spec

[glass mortar]

yup that too

[nova sinew]

Outlaw was the tanky spec now it’s just 🧍‍♂️

[keen belfry]

how bursty is sub with these rework

[lime lake]

cloth doesnt have a tank either

where is my spellbreaker tank

[keen belfry]

they haev so much dance uptime

[nova sinew]

Pretty bursty

There’s no ramp

[granite merlin]

Very

[wintry solar]

Cloth tanking was a dk thing wayyy back in the day

[glass mortar]

warlocks tanked for 2 days on a prepatch didnt they

[wintry solar]

Mhm mhm

[glass mortar]

i member

[keen belfry]

someone show a ST log of sub

[glass mortar]

id fuk with a warlock tank

[lime lake]

where barrier tank

[granite merlin]

Remeber when locks had to tank in AQ

[nova sinew]

So you just spike super high immediately when you press the macro that has all of your abilities

[vivid vessel]

that doesnt mean it has burst tho

[keen belfry]

its gotta be flatter in midnight right?

[vivid vessel]

for example outlaw in aoe outdamage about every spec in the game for the 5s first second of a pull

[glass mortar]

def flatter the midnight

[vivid vessel]

does that mean its a burst spec

[glass mortar]

still seems decently bursty tho

smaller burst windows more often

[keen belfry]

i see i see

[nova sinew]

It’s kinda hard to evaluate burst rn

Because of how strong potion is

[keen belfry]

i thought more dancing meant less bursty window but maybe blades fucks

[fathom bramble]

blades and sectech still carrying

[vivid vessel]

i mean

this is 0 burst tho

[glass mortar]

this is just u do damage during dance and no damage outside

[vivid vessel]

this guy doing more damage at 35s out of cds

[fathom bramble]

well you can't count perfidious projector

but sure in this log yeah

[nova sinew]

Is this pre patch

No the spec is flat as fuck in pre patch

[glass mortar]

its hard to find long living logs to really check

[granite merlin]

lol outlaw bursts to their average damage output then People pop cooldowns and do 4x as much

[nova sinew]

Blades was bugged on beta for the last set of raid testing

[stone helm]

Yoyo, right now in Live, trickster remains better than fatebound right?

[frail veldt]

yeah

[granite merlin]

At this exact moment in time. Yes I believe so

[stone helm]

so fatebound its just better at lvl 90?

[frail veldt]

yep

[stone helm]

gotchu

thanks! 🙂

[granite merlin]

If only HO was good at 90 xD

[nova sinew]

this is about what you can expect from sub

[vivid vessel]

i mean what are we looking at

this is a key no

[nova sinew]

last boss nexus point

[vivid vessel]

why does he do 0 damage

on the second blade

trolling or

[nova sinew]

no potion

im guessing

[vivid vessel]

he does less damage than the other normal dances

[nova sinew]

its kinda annoying to find logs

[keen belfry]

bad procs

right guys

[nova sinew]

but he is using powder in st

its some chinese fella idk what he is cooking

but this is what the timelapse looks like somewhat

also not using an on use but w.e

[keen belfry]

cant beilieve outlaw rogue guys

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/ttta-turn-the-tub-around-spin-tttaspin-gif-25088441

[frail veldt]

its not that far behind

you can run it if you want

its like <2% loss

so its closer to non HO than HO has been in like 4 seasons even when people did run it

soooo

[granite merlin]

What GTFO what’s talent diffs?

[frail veldt]

you just drop heavy hitter

[granite merlin]

Well I know what I’m doing tonight

[frail veldt]

I mean HO is a nothing talent anyway it doesnt really change gameplay so

just an animation skin on SS sometimes lol

[granite merlin]

Yeah now that the gigaburst combos are gone

[frail veldt]

what were those

[granite merlin]

What did they change to make it close? If ambush not double hitting

They just juice ambush?

[frail veldt]

no it was never that far

our talents are overall pretty weak

none of our buttons do much damage

so you have a lot of flexibility in your choices

[granite merlin]

Oh lol….that makes me much sadder

[frail veldt]

yeah thats just kinda how the spec functions now

some people like it cuz the spec is a lot more forgiving/easier

but the reality is if you want your rotation to be rewarding to do right, it has to be punishing to do wrong

cant have your cake and eat it too

[keen belfry]

fartlaw

[undone notch]

Is it looking like Trickster will still be better for m+?

[frail veldt]

Not at 90 no

[low glade]

it's called denial buddy

[hasty warren]

Hi pitates

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[keen belfry]

what is the bis outlaw dpi?

[lethal oak]

25k

[keen belfry]

what about not 25k

[frail veldt]

450

[lethal oak]

25k makes you feel like youre playing faster

[keen belfry]

400 was a good dpi in 2016

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/an-unc-boomer-dad-joke-dad-meme-full-unc-gif-16824491283080903357

[frail veldt]

Dpi is a meme

It's like spell queue window

People think it does something different than it actually does

[covert kestrel]

Do you have an addon that replaces the spell queue window automatically based on world ping? I had a weak aura that did that but I need it to play

[frail veldt]

Hahahahahahahaah

Didn't they rage quit the disc too?

[covert kestrel]

Oh yeah almost immediately

I think those are my favorite discord moments, someone coming to a server, interacting/asking a question, getting an answer they don't like, rage quitting

[frail veldt]

quite a sight to witness

[keen belfry]

theres gotta be a dpi section in the faq

[mighty pivot]

why doesn't wangbar adjust your sqw?

[keen belfry]

ill look into that

ty

[daring yoke]

Hey guys. Why prep is not in cdm? R they planning to turn that into a passive +1 AR charge instead 👀

[craggy barn]

theres a bunch of random shit not in cdm

who knows

[mighty pivot]

they've added it on beta so it might come on live with the patch next week

[daring yoke]

Although not a fan of prep. But i feel like zeratul in hots with that button lol

[elfin orbit]

is slice and dice not used not seeing that anywhere on wowhead for rotational abilities used trying to learn outlaw kinda new to it and melee for that matter

[proper crown]

slice and dice is automatically applied with something, i forget what

[elfin orbit]

hmmge .. thanks let me look into it

[wintry solar]

Dispatch

[haughty moat]

with dispatch you get snd

[wintry solar]

I said it first

[haughty moat]

nah

[proper crown]

you're both nerds

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/iron-giant-wig-out-crazy-robot-funny-gif-26293478

[haughty moat]

noob

[wintry solar]

Does it hurt being so so wrong

[haughty moat]

1 word against 5, no wonder why like new outlaw

[wintry solar]

Few words do trick

[proper crown]

why use many word when few word do trick

[wintry solar]

He gets

[ionic citrus]

i came here looking for the word "STARVE". Took me 0,4s to find.

[lime lake]

hm

poop is right im afraid

[fossil lintel]

Is that some weird arts project?

[wintry solar]

Why my bats look like feet?

[covert kestrel]

mmmm toes

[wintry solar]

It's pronounced mentoes

What a fuckin second

Mentoes

Men toes

[limpid isle]

https://tenor.com/view/coincidence-i-think-not-coincidence-i-think-not-the-incredibles-gif-5096707

[past falcon]

i just baked sourdough bread do u need some

[fossil lintel]

pics or it didn't happen

[fossil lintel]

those actually look pretty nice

[granite merlin]

Bruh me too!!!!

Just made sammiches for dinner with it

[past falcon]

oh hell yeah

[fossil lintel]

I need directions

[granite merlin]

Want me to pm you directions?

[fossil lintel]

are you offering bread as well?

[granite merlin]

I just sent a guy at work pictures of the recipe I use I helped him get starter

Yesterday lol

[glass mortar]

god why did i even reinstall this game

cant believe how slow outlaw is, and the default ui looks so trash??

[granite merlin]

I spent 16 hours making a ui for outlaw

I’m not done

[fossil lintel]

I meant directions to riddict house to get some

[past falcon]

LMAO

[granite merlin]

I made sourdough bagels the other week those are 🔥

[fossil lintel]

Bread AND Angus steak? Fuck yeah

[solemn vessel]

question is Between the eyes used off CD

[wintry solar]

Yes

[solemn vessel]

bc last time i played i remember resetting the CD of between the eyes with something so if that happens do i use it agian

sorry im a dirty sub player

[keen belfry]

I’ve never baked bread

So idc about this bread talk

Let’s keep it on topic guys

[worn yoke]

Won't defend current Outlaw, but my UI basically looks the same as before just with less combat functionality

[low glade]

wow these loaves look gorgeous

did you go the dutch oven route?

or do you have one of those dedicated bread pots/pans

[glass mortar]

idk man, i really dont dig reverting outlaw so far even my talent name changed

maybe i'll play some sub instead

[solemn vessel]

best version of outlaw right here

[worn yoke]

This Outlaw is getting closer to old combat dont @ me

[past falcon]

yeah i just use a 5qt dutch oven for each one! 35 mins covered, 10 mins uncovered

[worn yoke]

spam with little thought

[low glade]

well done chef

would tear apart with my bare hands/10

[past falcon]

ugh ty

[solemn vessel]

yea with this would i hit between the eyes agian or wait

[glass mortar]

you build then hit it again

its a higher priority spender then dispatch

[solemn vessel]

ok ok

ty

[wintry solar]

What he said

Sorry I'm at w*rk

[covert kestrel]

Poop working the nightshift in them crayfish fields

[wintry solar]

Gotta get em while they're sleepin

[desert tendon]

revealing strike

[granite merlin]

Same slightly different times but yeah

[pearl topaz]

I suggest if outlaw is too slow for you now (I get it) that you do something productive with your ADHD and learn the piano or something

[wintry solar]

No, I'm gatekeeping instruments. Learn to paint.

[plucky chasm]

Yo guys

Morning ❤️🤘🏼

How outlaw feels now after patchnotes ?

[pliant wind]

Question is, which bug was fixed?

That 15% buff was needed to be reverted?

[vivid vessel]

the bugs were fixed last week already also

[pliant wind]

[ashen void]

The real bug with outlaw is hope

[plucky chasm]

It looked so nice tbh but yesterday my friends that are playing full beta told me now its bad

[ashen void]

gambler's fallacy innit

[plucky chasm]

Thats why im askin

[gentle geyser]

god i love awang he is so handsome

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[keen belfry]

do you mean it? on god?

[gentle geyser]

yeah trust + im a girl

a real one

[wintry solar]

See

Here's the thing

That's like super suspiciously suspicious

[past falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-callouts-rogue-gif-26757787

[keen belfry]

https://klipy.com/gifs/breaking-bad-66

[keen belfry]

trust

[wintry solar]

Okay

Well in that case

Awang has fans now

[untold wadi]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1277434197769715715/1305941151412654151/attachment-4-1.gif

[wintry solar]

Sorry bucko, @mighty pivot is the resident femboy in #outlaw

[past falcon]

@keen belfry u coming to blizzcon king

awangbar should get a spotlight panel

[ripe ibex]

awang cp generation tool*

[keen belfry]

when is blizzcon, might make an appearannce if theyd have me of course (theyd have me)

[keen belfry]

awangggg

[gentle geyser]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/883911447237787669/1225633004320460851/5AA75465-9AF4-4505-A70D-F7B989A51967.gif

[past falcon]

sept 12-13

[gentle geyser]

were back btw awang

[keen belfry]

right after that one day eh?

ill check awangs schedule

sept 12-13

[past falcon]

right after my dads bday ❤️

[keen belfry]

might be doing big things

[keen belfry]

must be nice...

[keen belfry]

banger addon and ui u look like a true rogue. hey champ, yellow suits ya.

purple?

[gentle geyser]

pepis...

[keen belfry]

Poopis..

[gentle geyser]

so true...

[wintry solar]

Someone ring?

[keen belfry]

ill never forget doing a heroic fyrakk with inespt and just gapping...

maybe bad procs for inespt?

[gentle geyser]

I

I GOT THE

[keen belfry]

bad rng and rolls yeah.

[gentle geyser]

TRINKET BUG

AS SOON AS WE PULLED

fuck u awang

[wintry solar]

Fancy term for skill issue btw

[keen belfry]

oh i forgot u had the shit ur pants trinket equipped

[gentle geyser]

and u still begged me to come fill for ur guild

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/239620525356220418/1323676356772630599/7db4e6bf9f0f42ca0ef9dc33d6d43d54.gif

[keen belfry]

which boss did u save us

did u let us do stix

[gentle geyser]

yes

[keen belfry]

ty

what shuold iw atch

im thinking

fallout seaosn 2

[past falcon]

fallout s2 is good

some good ghoulcy moments

[keen belfry]

spoilers??

[past falcon]

sorry theyre not good nor bad theyre. just there

is that better

[keen belfry]

thank you

i was thnking we might be getting bad ghoul moments

guess not

[past falcon]

better watch

[keen belfry]

now that im being recommended it

might just delete amazon off my tv

[rancid tiger]

am i missing something? We Blade rush before BF in the opening AOE?

[cinder relic]

oops

thats backwards

yeah you would BF First

[rancid tiger]

rgr ok that makes more sense

[pastel pendant]

Braindead easy rotation

So boring

[lethal gate]

BF then BR

[fossil lintel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder relic]

Go away already

[wintry solar]

Mimimimimimi

That's what you sound like

Mimimimimi

[fossil lintel]

Guy for rogue ambassador

[lethal gate]

Why dispatch in opener not BtE?
Not reducing cooldown and get buff.

[wintry solar]

SnD

[molten oasis]

But everyone’s specs the same ours I just more APM

[molten oasis]

SnD uptime coz melees do so much of our damage

[lethal gate]

Ah that's the point. Sry.

[molten oasis]

All good man in pins has a wright up

[fossil lintel]

Don't believe the big dispatch propaganda

[pastel pendant]

Fury war more fun and higher apm not even joking

I did one dungeon as outlaw and almost fell asleep I give up

There’s no hope for this dogwater spec it could be the most op topping the meters and u couldn’t pay me 1000 dollars to play it it’s that boring now

[molten oasis]

Fair

[untold wadi]

[molten oasis]

I play Bear Phys with the same people every session so 🤷‍♀️

[untold wadi]

sadg

[pastel pendant]

It is sad

I cry every night

Thinking about before

This game was so much fun

[gaunt phoenix]

i think zach doesnt like outlaw now

not sure though

[molten oasis]

Wow

[molten oasis]

Dammmmmm son what would he play the last Outlaw main has cracked

[untold wadi]

its truly a tragic story, removing this outlaw

was actually most fun spec eva

[wintry solar]

I should join a disc and bitch about a spec

And nothing else

I have GOT to know what kind of satisfaction this brings

[untold wadi]

idk like, its pretty frustrating ngl having something u love replaced by another thing that is the complete opposite

the bitching makes sense

no amt of bitching will fix anything tho

[wintry solar]

He came after the fact

[untold wadi]

kinda sad

[cinder relic]

I agree

Thats how i felt after the rework in DF

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-handshake-cats-kittens-gif-10222808

[gaunt phoenix]

i defended zach's free speech on day 1

but now that it's like day 12

maybe it;s time to let it rest

[wintry solar]

Prepatch was the 20th right?

Yes it was. Consulted the archives (wowhead)

[wintry solar]

I got some of what I bitched about

Came with a price though

No dreadblades either

[lone spear]

prep really is a monkeys paw wish

when we asked for 2 AR charges

its the most scuffed way to do it lmao

[wintry solar]

Blizz is really great at that yeah

[lone spear]

but ye idk like ive just kinda moved on

spec not fun, play another one

gameplay > fantasy for me, especially when the fantasy is so muddied

[lone spear]

bitching for 12 days is wild xdd

[river wing]

ngl it's really hard to find a spec when you want both gameplay and fantasy

[lone spear]

i think DH has always had good fantasy for me

but gameplay has been hit or miss

[wintry solar]

Fantasy>Gameplay is so liberating

[lone spear]

havoc is really fun on beta tho

[simple frigate]

There’s no way you’re still going

[lone spear]

and devourer is new shiny thing

[cinder relic]

I just play rogue

[wintry solar]

L

[lone spear]

L

[wintry solar]

Outlaw or bust

We can't give Sub an inch, lest they take a mile.

Like they took everything els3

[lone spear]

idk my main enemy rn is all funnel

it needs to die, being told to not do fun aoe stuff cause a funnel guy is more ethical is so lame

and funnel is usually the best damage type by a mile

[wintry solar]

Mine are the UHDK pvp sweats beaming down the devs in PvP with the blues

Like if they do good enough, they'll get hired.

I gotta hop on my surv and see what all the hubbub is about

[pastel pendant]

There’s no way u can disagree with anything im saying

It’s all factual info

[gaunt phoenix]

not quite how opinions work

[wintry solar]

It's not even that you're wrong, it's just all you do

If you're not talking about how shit outlaw is, you're glazing fury.

[untold wadi]

oh its like marine recruiters

warriors need bodies

[wintry solar]

I joined Airforce

[river wing]

nah not really... not for me at least

[wintry solar]

I don't even know who you are

That's mean

[river wing]

but of course

[pastel pendant]

Yeah becuz it’s the sad truth

[wintry solar]

I just felt like saying it lol

[pastel pendant]

Fury is just more fun than outlaw rn

[wintry solar]

I don't know very many people who are form>function

[pastel pendant]

You think I want to be complaining all the time in discord? No beforehand I wasn’t even in here because I was having fun playing my outlaw rogue

[wintry solar]

I do actually, yes

[pastel pendant]

But they went and butchered it so what am I supposed to do

I have nothing to do anymore

[river wing]

I gotta have both
and I'd say it's form over function for me, otherwise I'd be going for Enh Sham or maybe UDK or something

but they're so bleh thematically (for me)

pretty much stuck with Rogue/Warr lmao

[wintry solar]

I've tried multiple times to get into shaman but it just wasn't happening

I can condition myself to like any class but shaman

[pastel pendant]

You don’t know that. There could be a dev in this discord reading these messages and taking notes. Ok nvm that’s a cope

[untold wadi]

yea lol

i mean

in our dreams xd

[wintry solar]

It's happened before

[untold wadi]

yeh i don't doubt there is inspiration or maybe ideas

but like

outlaw went from 100-0

doubt much can remedy the issues if u hate new outlaw/loved loved old

without being huge huge change

[pastel pendant]

Bro what’s crazy to me is all these conten creators praising this new version of outlaw like it’s the best thing ever

It actually makes me sick to my stomach

[wintry solar]

Good

[wintry solar]

The way I see it is a global issue moreso than just outlaw. We're never having df outlaw again.

Issue is subjective but still

[untold wadi]

yeh

too polarized atp

no shot u get anywhere close anytim soon

[wintry solar]

It's fine they went this direction imo, maybe not have it happen all at once.

[pastel pendant]

Wdym it’s fine?

[wintry solar]

It's fine

[pastel pendant]

Dude this is the worst gameplay I’ve seen

Ever

In my life

[wintry solar]

I'd tell you to cry me a river but you've already been doing that the past 15 days

[pastel pendant]

It is so mindnumbingly boring I could sleep

[lime lake]

that would probably be the best outcome

[pastel pendant]

If I wanted a braindead simple rotation I would play classic wow retail is supppsed to have some complexity to ur spec

[untold wadi]

they're bridging the gap between classic mop and retail

[pastel pendant]

There is legit 0 high anymore playing outlaw

It’s so blan

Bland

[untold wadi]

its tru tho, no more ||adrenaline|| rush

[pastel pendant]

Classic mop has better class design than retail rn lol

[wintry solar]

I'd imagine that'd make the transition easier if they're not planning on any more classic era expansions.

[pastel pendant]

You don’t even have any big dmg cds anymore

[frail veldt]

we never did

[pastel pendant]

ADR was never a cd

Well now

You don’t

[frail veldt]

when was the last time outlaw had a "big dmg cd"

[pastel pendant]

U just press adr and it feels like nothing

U have no cds

[frail veldt]

never did

[pastel pendant]

Ks does negative Sam

Dam

Before you did constant dmg

Now what do I do

[frail veldt]

we still do constant damage

[pastel pendant]

U do

[frail veldt]

our damage profile is just as flat as before

[pastel pendant]

It’s worse

Becuz it’s slower

[frail veldt]

were talking about damage profile

that didnt change

the spec is slower though yeah thats not news

[pastel pendant]

It’s bad and slow they didn’t even give us any big cds to compensate for gutting adr duration

[wintry solar]

Yes you do

Whatever on use trinket is bis

[untold wadi]

tbh our "big cd" was getting BS and TB in a window

[frail veldt]

nah thats gone now

[untold wadi]

and perma procs

[frail veldt]

since we lost crit chance from bte and we arent a vers spec as much

[untold wadi]

or even bigger is getting AR back after dying with it on 2min cd

[frail veldt]

so damage on use trinkets wont be nearly as strong as they used to be

[pastel pendant]

So yeah outlaw is done now

[wintry solar]

We're gonna get another fire ring/trinket combo like I'm DF mewo just you wait

[frail veldt]

the ring didnt give us burst though

and our trinkets in DF were good cuz we had 100% crit chance and 40% vers lol

so if a trinket is good for outlaw in midnight, its also just good for everyone

were just a normal class now

[cinder relic]

Proc trinkets are still going to be better than a cooldown trinket is for most specs

[frail veldt]

yeah since we dont have big cds to pair it with

[cinder relic]

Even without gs, bte etc boosting it's damage ip

[frail veldt]

itll be similar to other flat ish classes

high ppm stat trinkets prob good for us

[pastel pendant]

Who cares about trinkets

The class sucks to play

No trinket is going to compensate for that

[wintry solar]

I was half memeing because press trinket = damage goes up

In the most surface level way

But I forget you're here sometimes so I should start using /sarcasm or /srs

/sarcasm btw

Lol

[frail veldt]

I mean you werent wrong for current outlaw

[wintry solar]

You just haven't felt the touch of a good trinket

[frail veldt]

on use was our burst

half correct sarcasm is confusing

cuz it just sounds like youre wrong lol

[wintry solar]

Regardless, I hope blizzards Trinket game is better than it was in TWW

[river wing]

you know what the worst part is
out of three rog specs
outlaw is still the most involved and intricate
by the dint of being like
6/10 complexity-wise
assa is ridiculously simple without apex and apex isn't going to change that much
sub is going to be borderline automatic even with apex seems like

[wintry solar]

Full of Zzz trinkets