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#outlaw
brittle pelican
gaunt phoenix
they added blade rush to adr
daring yoke
Why did they revert the buff. Is it enough to close the discord 😭
mighty pivot
that was the huge bugfix solo
frail veldt
they added blade rush to adr
does that negate the overall nerf we got ? 😄
thats gotta be at least 10% buff right
polar kelp
im confused, do you mean adr refreshed blade rush?
gaunt phoenix
no the gcd reduction
wintry solar
Imagine though
gaunt phoenix
it used to not reduce blade rush gcd
arctic merlin
when did they fix that
polar kelp
do you mean restless blades?
patent mirage
Pog
gaunt phoenix
No
wintry solar
when did they fix that
Today
patent mirage
Word
gaunt phoenix
Adrenaline Rush reduces your Global Cooldown
polar kelp
OHHHH
wintry solar
You mean your blind duration?
gaunt phoenix
skill issued by phone
arctic merlin
how good is that bugfix, i don't think i understand it at all, isn't it just a very small buff
arctic merlin
how does that justify 15% dmg buff removal
gaunt phoenix
that's not the significant bugfix they are talking about
arctic merlin
and 10% melee nerf
frank finch
i forget how much the aa bug was but it wAS BIG
wintry solar
Why would it matter if BR has its gcd reduced during ADR
frank finch
oo wat bug they talkign about then>
gaunt phoenix
most likely the old fatebound stuff
frank finch
what mint working the way u thought it wokred?
arctic merlin
most likely the old fatebound stuff
so just a big loss for trickster?
sacred summit
is outlaw still the best spec of all three
wintry solar
Always is, was, and will be
cinder relic
they added blade rush to adr
WE ARE WINNING
frail veldt
eat them scraps up
gentle wind
wintry solar
frail veldt
crumbs? more like a FEAST
unkempt dew
Are we having fun yet?
arctic merlin
so the bug is related to fatebound and it's apparently big?
gaunt phoenix
Fatebound had a bug where your auto attack damage would get reduced to nothing
wintry solar
Are we having fun yet?
Never stopped
unkempt dew
Nice
gaunt phoenix
it was fixed directly before the last raid testing so i assume that's why their data was conflicting
mighty pivot
they added blade rush to adr
that was in the build of friday btw. Stale news!
wintry solar
Me when I lie
wintry solar
https://tenor.com/tHoffe9rhhk.gif
Me when the Doom Council enter outlaw chat
arctic merlin
Fatebound had a bug where your auto attack damage would get reduced to nothing
so is it expected we start running fatebound now?
unkempt dew
Wasn’t that the whole thing we should do in beta?
Run fatebound in beta and trickster while playing pre patch
gaunt phoenix
Yeah fatebound has been ahead
arctic merlin
as long as we don't play with keep it rolling
gaunt phoenix
Fatebound was fixed 2 weeks ago. Their data is just now "caught up" to it i guess
arctic merlin
i guess it's not so bad with the new roll the bones
keen belfry
thats what i thought bucko
gaunt phoenix
But since they nerfed fatebound a little bit today I need to make sure it's still ahead
arctic merlin
apprently it was a huge bug if they revert such a huge buff and nerf to make it up
brittle pelican
Do we at least gain net aoe damage?
gaunt phoenix
No everything is a net loss now
brittle pelican
Sick
mighty pivot
I'm sure if it turns out to be undertuned they will retune it swiftly 
brittle pelican
Lucky 8 ball said not today
fast nova
Hey team, after the nerfes - outlaw is still the best class correct?
craggy barn
fast nova
😂
strange kelp
jarvis, extermiunante allonie
You just want keep it wanging to stay a thing
eternal iron
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
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strange kelp
!wangbar
latent oak
!wangerang
keen belfry
so the results of this whole outlaw tuning pass was just -5% bf dmg and -10% autoattack dmg and fatebound small nerf
strange kelp
Was the bug fix really worth 15% tho?
keen belfry
probs ish
placid gorge
yeah the bug was we do more dmg than they expect
keen belfry
the bugs were pretty big
strange kelp
Huge bugs
gaunt phoenix
sort of, you could reduce your auto attack damage to nothing, which is 15%
keen belfry
outlaw is eating good this beta/alpha cycle
strange kelp
sort of, you could reduce your auto attack damage to nothing, which is 15%
How long would that take? I guess it just wouldn't go away til relog right?
So over the course of a raid test it could be yea
keen belfry
i think solo said it was like 5% per minute
strange kelp
Oof
keen belfry
it was 5% or 10% i dont remember
covert kestrel
outlaw is eating good this beta/alpha cycle
keen belfry
we shuold be thankful froteir
since alpha day 1 we got prep and we got
thats it
but thats a lot atleast.
lime lake
keen belfry
maybe they added prep as a subtle hint of prepare for more changes eventually?
lime lake
prepping for the next changes
gaunt phoenix
How long would that take? I guess it just wouldn't go away til relog right?
about 30 min to reduce AA damage to basically nothing
low glade
I just made this joke
wait fr?
covert kestrel
!ban campenfarts 24hrs
keen belfry
!awangui
mighty pivot
about 30 min to reduce AA damage to basically nothing
there is no way the bug was worth 15% damage over the entire key though
keen belfry
says you NR
mighty pivot
is ok they still have 1 month to tune stuff
gaunt phoenix
your melee dmg becomes like 2%
low glade
shindig breakdancing all over guy in raid rn
mighty pivot
though some logs did start the key with it already at 1% dmg
they weren't aware of the secret tech of relogging to increase dps. rest = dps
covert kestrel
shindig breakdancing all over guy in raid rn
Shindig the type of guy to whisper guy after mogging him on the meters "gn"
low glade
Shindig the type of guy to whisper guy after mogging him on the meters "gn"
whispyr* guy
gaunt phoenix
what happens after 30min solo
it slowly approaches zero but it couldnt become zero
keen belfry
it slowly approaches zero but it couldnt become zero
its mimicing science
weve never recorded absoltue zero right?
maybe they are hinting at outlaw becoming a chemistry spec?
gaunt phoenix
it's like melee damage was becoming 4% worse each time lucky coin procs, if you divide a number by 1.04 repeatedly it will still forever be a positive number
keen belfry
Shindig the type of guy to whisper guy after mogging him on the meters "gn"
send him a solo whispyr message saying fu(u) gn you only beat me cause i was coughing (koffing)
@low glade
thoughts?
low glade
send him a solo whispyr message saying fu(u) gn you only beat me cause i was cou...
and if he doesn't tighten it up, he'll meet a fiery demise
low glade
send him a solo whispyr message saying fu(u) gn you only beat me cause i was cou...
you're famous bro
didn't get the shindig endorsement though
F
keen belfry
We don’t want to fend him too much
frank finch
noah fence
keen belfry
He once took my spot in a floodgate and did below awang dmg as outlaw
Streamer privilege
keen belfry
Did you watch my guild do rwl
low glade
no man i literally don't know who your guild is
keen belfry
Fuck you
radiant root
vivid dune
i love wangbar
keen belfry
Should I add wangbar to my LinkedIn
gaunt phoenix
wang size on linkedin
low glade
how it taught you valuable business skills
unborn moon
would you ever press blade flurry in ST? asking for a friend
gaunt phoenix
nope
unborn moon
thinking of switching out blade flurry for keep it rolling on my bars
mighty pivot
Should I add wangbar to my LinkedIn
"How I built my empire as a result of working on a rogue addon"
keen belfry
would you ever press blade flurry in ST? asking for a friend
I would
keen belfry
"How I built my empire as a result of working on a rogue addon"
I have so many fanboys now
It was only a matter of time
Green name when?
mighty pivot
just make sure to keep updating or people will start calling you lazy 
keen belfry
I already have zomb making prs
mighty pivot
already delegating 
low glade
I already have zomb making prs
you holding a press conference soon?
would help with your green name bid
keen belfry
What’s up
Guys optic awang here
mighty pivot
he should get his "huge wang" role with its own colour
low glade
sup ya'll, it's me, it's ya boy awang here
radiant root
I'm sorry, but I always want to laugh when I see "wangbar" because it means "you fucking asshole" in Chinese.
keen belfry
Is this true
radiant root
sure
keen belfry
It was either awangs cp addon or wangbar
radiant root
covert kestrel
Lmao
mighty pivot
it's a nerf brother, the bug wasn't 15%
keen belfry
doing a giveaway once wangbar hits 1k downloads. Thinking about giving away my papal or Venmo information
dusky temple
xd
placid gorge
damn
radiant root
doing a giveaway once wangbar hits 1k downloads. Thinking about giving away my p...
create your of
dusky temple
after the fix how many damg can prove for the bug?
covert kestrel
doing a giveaway once wangbar hits 1k downloads. Thinking about giving away my p...
Papal like concerning the pope?
real falcon
!bugs
ornate heathBOT
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real falcon
What was the bug they fixed today
vivid vessel
say it aint so
hasty fable
i love wangbar
wangbar is great - just need a hide out of combat option, can only take so much wang in my face
tight kernel
mighty pivot
What was the bug they fixed today
pins
brazen drift
whats the tldr rule for keep it rolling in single target?
naive pecan
brazen drift
goat
hasty fable
reroll on 1, 2 or more keep (I thought)
brazen drift
that advice u were given is wrong
is the mssage above you correct?
hasty fable
Roll the Bones if it is not active or it is at stage 1 (you reroll for stage 2 or higher).
keen belfry
he said keep it rolling
hasty fable
im an idiot
gaunt phoenix
yeah, you KIR at stage 2, though there is a minmax to hold KIR if you know your next roll will have loaded dice anyway
hasty fable
Keep it Rolling (if talented) at stage 2 or higher of Roll the Bones.
Try not to KIR at stage 2 RTB if your next roll is guaranteed to have :loaded_dice: Loaded Dice.
If you currently have stage 2 and you know your next roll is going to be at least stage 2, then pressing KIR doesn't do a whole lot other than just get it on cooldown. So there is a small gain to be found where you wait until the next roll in these cases, as you might end up with stages 3 or 4 and then you can immediately KIR them instead of a stage 2 you would have gotten anyway.
Expected gain: ~0.5%, improves variance
I'm so good at copy paste when I get it right
lethal gate
I do KIR at opener but consider dice after that. trying to use it 3 +
hasty fable
Opener you should always have Loaded Dice up (as AR procs it). So yea you can KiR safely every opener because it will at least be +2. After that you have to think things and be good
long barn
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
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gaunt phoenix
if you use preparation in the opener, then your second roll will have loaded dice again, in which case the rule applies where you hold KIR if you opened with stage 2
hasty fable
So open AR > Roll > We have at least 2 > Prep > AR > We have at least 3 > KiR ?
gaunt phoenix
if your first roll was 3 or 4 then you kir immediately. if your first roll was stage 2, then you hold kir as your next roll might be 3 or 4 cause you know you will prep and get loaded dice again shortly
glass mortar
doesnt gaurentee a 3 it just gives u the best odds at extending a 3+ while only sacrificing a bit of kir cdr since your first 2 buff is already guarenteed 30s and ur second LD would be slightly wasted by KiR
like solo said ud wanna kir immediatly if u actually hit a 3+ roll
gaunt phoenix
of course, there is a chance you hold kir, and then you roll and get stage 2 again, unlucky
glass mortar
im downloading wow at a cool 100 megabits/s rn 😎
i really need to replace my wifi card
or figure out how to make a wired connection work
hasty fable
I'm personally hoping 2 points in Summarily Dispatched instead of 1 (in exchange for Prep) is close.
Prep is just .. meh
gaunt phoenix
it is close in theory, prep should take over if you can use it to double up on AR for a vulnerability window or something
glass mortar
doubling up on a vuln window would require u to be able to get 1 ar to moderatly line up
that seems like it would be an ultra rare case
could be a cute unique utility ig tho there rnt many marathon vuln window runners
vivid vessel
a vuln window that last 40s?
vivid vessel
ye
glass mortar
it would be more like a mini phase at that point like, have AR up for an entire platform burn
that could be a thing
gaunt phoenix
lust is 40 seconds
could be an execute
i dont know the raid but you get the point
glass mortar
ace chance should scale in execute
hasty fable
for a non-burst spec I tend to go to the extreme of steady dps
vivid vessel
playing outlaw
vivid vessel
i mean checking logs for outlaw is toxic af
frail veldt
Have you reviewed #outlaw-faq
vivid vessel
if you had a vod it would be different
vivid vessel
Doing 0 dmg on big packs
ye well
frail veldt
If you're doing good st but bad on big packs that could be just you noticing outlaws capped aoe
vivid vessel
or bf being 30% ?
hasty fable
capped AoE ^^
vivid vessel
no ?
frail veldt
The AOE rotation is hardly different other than pressing bladeflurry
vivid vessel
you dont think you would notice that ?
frail veldt
I would def review the faq
vivid vessel
im ngl idk how you can press the wrong buttons
subtle cedar
Need to get gud
frail veldt
Builder spender rules are pretty cut and dry now
subtle cedar
ye thats the question I have
vivid vessel
i mena read the faq but
i doubt you are messing things up
bf got nerfed into oblivion
hasty fable
sometimes I press BtE at 5 CP... that is how u mess up pretty sure
subtle cedar
I dont understand why they are not touching anything actually broken and nerfing outlaw
What is the point ?
are we dominating m+ or smth
hasty fable
my son....
dusky temple
are we dominating m+ or smth
almost
gaunt phoenix
we had really favorable tuning for a second but they decided that was a mistake
vivid vessel
me when outlaw deos damage for more than one reset on beta 
craggy barn
based
gaunt phoenix
i dont like they had bugged data, decided to buff outlaw and revert it (which is fine), but then after the bugfix they came to the conclusion that outlaw should be lower than where it started
hasty fable
Outlaw has rarely seen the spotlight in any sort of content. Raid/M+/Outdoor - it's just sort of the class that you are because you like it. It's unlike anything else, and there is fun to be had in that. But expecting to be good at numbers... well... make a good transmog is the best advice I have. Because that will get you further than numbers.
vivid vessel
you can do good transmogs on sub and assa now tho
they can transmog swords
so its kinda gg
hasty fable
shit forgot that
vivid vessel
outlaw is dead
hasty fable
goddam
hasty fable
I tried Sub - it's ... kinda okay
fathom bramble
it also makes the 100% increase in AA damage they did look very strange
vivid vessel
i mean i prolly wont play it in raid cause its always bad
craggy barn
is murtaz stil going cat
subtle cedar
I tried other thins as well but came back
fathom bramble
since it seems to imply that they buffed our AA damage based on data that was corrupted by having our AA Damage have a halflife
vivid vessel
is murtaz stil going cat
murtaz stopped the game for now so idk
craggy barn
ah
white marten
Do we cancel KS once we have full combo points?
subtle cedar
Is tha cat fast ? is there anything close to the gameplay of outlaw ? even
gaunt phoenix
Do we cancel KS once we have full combo points?
it's not a written rule but you can cancel it during adrenaline rush
otherwise just let it finish
vivid vessel
not letting that shit finish ever
wont catch me doing that bud
can show me any sim you want
im a little bitch if i full cast ks
mental damage to do so
hasty fable
i mean i prolly wont play it in raid cause its always bad
Not a world first raider or anything - but my 3 hr/wk guild has tolerated my outlaw shit and we do okay for ourselves. Just saying to others - if you like Outlaw, then play it
hasty fable
lmao
vivid vessel
because of the mindset that "its only one spec it wont change anything"
except if everyone thinks that way
you lose
craggy barn
my guild had the world first packleader dimmy kil that wasnt a carry 🙂
hasty fable
It's all perspective. If you like Outlaw, play it. If you want to min/max, don't play it.
Pending tuning *
frail veldt
Yeah just gotta make sure you're matching the effort of the rest of your team
If theyre rerolling to help prog or learning new specs to fill gaps in the team
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frail veldt
Like maybe consider helping too by not playing outlaw haha
craggy barn
thats what i do
frail veldt
Just depends how serious your team is taking it
craggy barn
i play outlaw when its not omega scuffed in a fight
most fights this season were fucked
last season was fine
gaunt phoenix
very few people CE with onetrick outlaw
frail veldt
Yeah you were inting this season on outlaw for the last two bosses for sure
craggy barn
i mostly one tricked last season to CE
hasty fable
very few people CE with onetrick outlaw
Still my mission 😛
vivid dune
we had the first surv hunter to kill dimmy in our guild and no one was upset w him fwiw
craggy barn
but fuckin mugzee 😠
fathom bramble
this tier was especially bad for it
you could CE/hof on outlaw only for most previous tiers
vivid dune
but i think if we had that + me on outlaw + other similar choices itd have been a problem
craggy barn
we moved our surv player to BM on dimmy bc we have too much melee
hasty fable
But my guild knows if I don't Outlaw..... they get an Aug. bwahahaa
frank finch
is cb still bugged on prepatch?
craggy barn
ye
glass mortar
dimi is a generational outlaw boss
vivid dune
you could CE/hof on outlaw only for most previous tiers
yea if i went outlaw on dimmy i think ppl wouldve been mad at me
glass mortar
we always meme on outlaw not being optimal for endboss (even tho its usually not bad)
dimi was built in a lab to be bad for law
craggy barn
But my guild knows if I don't Outlaw..... they get an Aug. bwahahaa
they probably wouldve prefered the aug 
aug is powerful
glass mortar
just unluck
vivid vessel
we always meme on outlaw not being optimal for endboss (even tho its usually not...
i mean wdym
glass mortar
i mean usually sin or sub were just better for last boss for damage pattern reasons but outlaw pulled the same numbers (or even better) on the actual boss if ur raid let u play it
but dimi is just trashed
vivid vessel
dimy trash, nexu king trash, gallywix fine, mugzee trash, ansurek worse than the other 2, silken court trash, fyrakk trash, tindral trash, smold trash, neltharion trash, sarkareth trash, razageth it was tuned good if you were in world first guild
glass mortar
sure and it has penultimate boss tax
fathom bramble
it was good on fyrakk
keen belfry
i fucked fyrakk
fathom bramble
only bad if your guild couldn't do the intermission without a carrier
vivid vessel
it was good on fyrakk
if you had people that could kill shields it was at best not that much worse
idk if i can call that good
glass mortar
u will see
keen belfry
mhm
vivid vessel
when sub could solo carry shield
2.0
fathom bramble
same boss damage(other than intermission burst) and more contribution on the add phase
vivid vessel
same boss damage(other than intermission burst) and more contribution on the add...
i disagree
fathom bramble
though sub/sin would always be easier to get that same/similar boss damage
vivid vessel
we needed damage during the add pop
hasty fable
It's all going to be so different in Midnight.
vivid vessel
and sub had cds
craggy barn
gallywix was the best end boss ever, bc u can play any 3 rogue spec on it and it was actually fine
vivid vessel
like to kill the big dudes
like it was ok sure
outlaw wasnt that much worse
but it was just worse
fathom bramble
I do think it was very slightly worse
vivid vessel
thing is
look its like this right
if you had no issues passing all the dps checks
it was fine
but we had issues for shield and to kill the big adds
and sub had cds
so eh
outlaw diodnt
and in the end they both do the same damage so
one spec is obviously worse
and its not sub
fathom bramble
crazy how sub now has better burst, better cleave, and better defensives than the other 2
going to be interesting how tuning can overcome that
vivid vessel
:D
craggy barn
i mean it doesnt have better cleave now does it
vivid vessel
crazy how sub now has better burst, better cleave, and better defensives than th...
uncapped also
craggy barn
u have to press black powder in aoe at any count
vivid vessel
thats false
i play hoa right
i never press bp
i top aoe
sub players are imo stupid
"you have to press bp at any target count"
ok you lose 20% priop damage then
and if you dont you still do infintie damage anywya
so
who cares
fathom bramble
i mean it doesnt have better cleave now does it
in a raid environment it almost certainly does
craggy barn
isnt the cleave just autos, ub, and coup now
fathom bramble
especially with how much cleave is also burst
vivid vessel
i dont press bp
thats without netherprism actually so its the worse damage i do prolly
fathom bramble
isnt the cleave just autos, ub, and coup now
yeah they might lose a little ST cleaving out with black powder thanks to flurry rework
but secret technique is going to do more damage to an add wave than outlaws entire rotation combined
vivid vessel
and you do that while topping shard damage how cool
me when i need to press bp to do aoe
fathom bramble
that's live though
fathom bramble
before they are taking away eviscerate cleave
vivid vessel
ah yes
well
prolly will still do more aoe
more prio
and more st
than the dog spec
woof woof
(30% bf)
giuve me bp idk how i can do aoe now
fathom bramble
have you ever thought about how the entire description of black powder makes it sound like an outlaw spell
craggy barn
literally should be gun powder
fathom bramble
"Finishing move that launches explosive Black Powder at all nearby enemies dealing Physical damage."
craggy barn
like ive been sayin, they shouldve made cudgel into an outlaw talent
vivid vessel
i mean this is prepatch cuase beta data is prolly even worse im ngl
hasty fable
"Finishing move that launches explosive Black Powder at all nearby enemies deali...
100% it got copy pasted to the wrong spec.
vivid vessel
this guy does more prio
pressing bp
so
im guessing things havent changed much
vivid vessel
sounds like every spec in midnight
low glade
sounds like every spec in midnight
lowkirkenuinely?
fathom bramble
sin is also one of the few specs that can be 95% effective while on obr
which is
some kind of something
frail veldt
holy crap that spec is dogshit
What's bad about it right now I haven't kept up
low glade
whatdehelly it looks like live !
@frail veldt
frail veldt
You said sin lol
fossil lintel
Bro hopeful did 1M on some pulls with an aug just now 😂
vivid vessel
its sin
frail veldt
Ah
vivid vessel
why you even questionning it
frail veldt
I just can't get into the mindset to even imagine that dumb
It's hard
Need to practice harder
low glade
You said sin lol
it's showing him as sub on the details
but i'm watching the stream rn
he's playing sin
must be bugged or something
low glade
blasting!
vivid vessel
I bet outlaw would do less damage
low glade
he's just bing chilling at like 20% energy the entire time as well
gaunt phoenix
i do not understand how they do tuning in this game
vivid vessel
i do not understand how they do tuning in this game
2 target cleave for aoe
i think
and then idk for t they open wcl
and nerf like that
fossil lintel
i do not understand how they do tuning in this game
copious amounts of rand
fossil lintel
You know shitty evolutive models that try to find a local maximum by random walking? That's their approach
low glade
i don't even understand what sin's niche would be
ramping damage that never ramps
????
vivid vessel
sin doesnt ramp anymore bud
gaunt phoenix
ye bud
lone spear
eh bud
neat mist
out for a rip, are ya, bud?
fossil lintel
eh bud, sorry
low glade
terry fox run later bud
lone spear
rogue channel is so much better than dh man
those idiots suck
at least our idiots are memers
neat mist
Even my DH friends say it sucks ass
neat mist
¯_(ツ)_/¯
vivid vessel
it just stays low?
it kinda ramp cause the cds do more damage at the end
but thats
takes 20s or so
desert tendon
Wassup zac
vivid vessel
for 40 s
desert tendon
20s in current wow is like an eternity
meanwhile 20s in classic is the time i have to wait to sinister twice
what
vivid vessel
and they didnt compensate bf buff equally
low glade
really makes you think
desert tendon
that s the pinned thing with bf?
vivid vessel
last week we got +15% aura and bf went from 35 to 25
this week we got -15% and bf went up to 30
!
they got us good bro
desert tendon
they havent done maths
vivid vessel
every aura buff they lower bf a little bit
desert tendon
it s not possible
low glade
vivid vessel
at some point it will be 5% bf
fossil lintel
what stream is this?
vivid vessel
shinding
gaunt phoenix
shindingo
low glade
shindig unironically the man
low glade
they're wiping on the easiest boss in the rotation next season
crazy
maybe they time if he was outlaw?
low glade
ahh that makes sense
proven ocean
Ur a first timer
low glade
i thought they were gn gamers
fossil lintel
I'm triggered now, this guy doesn't have a wangbar?
hasty fable
I'm triggered now, this guy doesn't have a wangbar?
wangbar not hide on out-of-combat (I'm gonna die on this hill)
gaunt phoenix
wang inspection
fossil lintel
no wang confirmed
low glade
<:logs:585734084232347648> wang inspection
haha you sound just like my basketball coach in middle school
vivid vessel
?
gaunt phoenix
fossil lintel
haha you sound just like my basketball coach in middle school
was his name jeffrey by any chance?
low glade
was his name jeffrey by any chance?
big e?
vivid vessel
search for poop instead
wintry solar
search for poop instead
I'm not posting the results
fossil lintel
@low glade show us where @wintry solar touched you in middle school
vivid vessel
wtf is einstein files
its like a collection of files if you are in it you win something
i didnt win tho
big loser
gaunt phoenix
i dont think this is a good topic to joke about
wintry solar
You win a ticket to hell
fossil lintel
completely understandable solo
vivid vessel
i dont think this is a good topic to joke about
bro in the files gg
wintry solar
You have an alt account though
gaunt phoenix
zach
wintry solar
Mhm mhm
fossil lintel
no certified public accountant?
low glade
is koffing secretly zac's burner?
wintry solar
Koffing is cool so no
low glade
ouch
wintry solar
Burn
vivid vessel
isnt it crazy that we are going to need an addon to mute cb sound
low glade
isnt it crazy that we are going to need an addon to mute cb sound
isn't it crazy how demo got away with highway robbery this last round of tuning
wintry solar
What's the loss for dropping CB
gaunt phoenix
i dont remember actually
fossil lintel
isn't it crazy how demo got away with highway robbery this last round of tuning
you haven't seen arcane mages
wintry solar
Clashes with my mog
vivid vessel
cb?
wintry solar
Yeah
vivid vessel
i see
fossil lintel
damn, this streamer guy is doing tank damage in ST
low glade
⭐ outlaw magic ⭐
low glade
man his details is fucked
low glade
he's specced outlaw
proven ocean
Also what outlaw
vivid vessel
dont ask too much
proven ocean
Hes sub
low glade
and it shows sub
low glade
yeah his details is completely chuddified
fossil lintel
yeah he's balance
vivid vessel
thaats why i started playing league
proven ocean
Like
fossil lintel
thaats why i started playing league
you don't need to hurt yourself man
proven ocean
If zac’s not playing wow u know its down bad
Because
Theres no one in wow who likes the game more than him
vivid vessel
you don't need to hurt yourself man
i dont have a bad relationship with the game anymore
i have fun playing it
wintry solar
smh
fossil lintel
if you wang dysfunction lasts for more than 2 hours, please consult a doctor
proven ocean
Zac
vivid vessel
cow
proven ocean
I havent opened wowhead in over like
2 months
Unfollowed all wow streamers on twitch 
No more wow
dusky temple
LOL
fossil lintel
... you spend a lot of time on wow discords for that man
proven ocean
Not playing it again
proven ocean
... you spend a lot of time on wow discords for that man
Its just a yapping place..ok..
dusky temple
i have played bv6 since December
fossil lintel
Its just a yapping place..ok..
sure thing ross, sure thing
denial as well, you and zac are in sync today
fossil lintel
see you in 2 months ross
proven ocean
I won’t change my mind bozo
U can @ me in 2 months too
But you’ll forget just like how i forgot about wow 
cinder relic
I can't wait to get weekly updates from zeros in here about how much he doesnt play wow
desert tendon
real mauve
were cooked
gaunt phoenix
dm
celest anchor
Hey guys, I am coming back from a break, was wondering if y'all could answer a few questions for me
I want to play outlaw but
I'm not sure about where to find a decent beginner build, I intend to eventually make my way into +10 - +14 content
which is easier to play, between trickster and fatebound? I am willing to switch to whichever is better later, but I want to start out with what's easier so I can learn the basics of outlaw before I try to overwhelm myself learning something super complicated
unless they are both equally complicated...
grave rose
I'd say just follow the wow head guide
celest anchor
okay 😮
grave rose
If you have any questions about it. Ask away
grave rose
Yep
celest anchor
on other specs? out of curiousity
grave rose
And vice versa now
celest anchor
Oh sick I might try out some of those too then...
grave rose
I think the legion artifacts may still be restricted. Not sure though
covert kestrel
Hey guys, I am coming back from a break, was wondering if y'all could answer a f...
There is approximately one rule and one ability difference in how the two hero tree rotations play out so no bigly worry
slate plaza
wsg outlaw gang
covert kestrel
keen belfry
why is there a ping about wangbar
ashen void
Whatever seems fun :]
celest anchor
I think I would prefer outlaw playstyle wise but the "Weaknesses" section on WoWhead made me hesitate
cinder relic
Play outlaw until a problem arises
vivid vessel
lime lake
grave rose
I think I would prefer outlaw playstyle wise but the "Weaknesses" section on WoW...
Are you in a wf guild or pushing 18s?
fossil lintel
Outlaw is the best worst spec in the game
cinder relic
OUtlaw is the goat of shit content
I'm so ready for heroic week n shit
Gonna be blasting some law
grave rose
Gonna be blasting some law
Same
low glade
OUtlaw is the goat of shit content
realest shit you've ever said on god
ashen void
"blasting the law? but... bro... that's illegal! 🥹" - the paladin
"exactly" - the outlaw
celest anchor
Are you in a wf guild or pushing 18s?
No
my guild does like
3/8 - 4/8 usually
mythic
and I want to go to about 12s - 15s again
where I usually sit
grave rose
I'd say play whatever is fun then
ashen void
oh ok my bad
desert tendon
!
idk what he is up to
i know he played a month or so during df
idk if he even bought tww 
and looking at the game changes, i doubt he ll come back anytime soon
cinder relic
Idt it has anything to do with the state of the game
It's just a, he got a real job type shit
proven ocean
Ya just like me
Real job now, i only play like 2-3 hrs a day
And thats like my entire spare time day gone
So
cinder relic
Well except ramfam moved on, you keep us posted about how you don't play wow
proven ocean
Suck my cow balls zac
proven ocean
Well except ramfam moved on, you keep us posted about how you don't play wow
Same shit tho
vivid vessel
ban this guy mods
gaunt phoenix
ashen void
zeross did you watch fargo
vivid vessel
whats fargo
ashen void
a tv show
ashen void
pog or dog?
proven ocean
I just dont feel like watching aNything rn
ashen void
upper surge
vivid vessel
interesting
fast geyser
molten oasis
Interesting changers today… melee damage nerf is kinda interesting 🤔 but assume coz it’s like top damage atm the flurry damage is that a buff ?
vivid vessel
no its a nerf
it was 35% before they aura buffed by 15%
now they reverted the aura buff
but kept bf at 30%
also bf on live is 50% +
take that as you will
molten oasis
Ah okey Yesh right so Quite big nerfs even after the bug fixes
cinder relic
This is the 2nd week in a row Outlaw has gotten nerfs/buffs so
Were still in the "tuning is random" stage
frail veldt
weve gotten a buff and then nerf match twice now right
cinder relic
Ya
frail veldt
rofl
vivid vessel
yes basically everytime they buffed us
they reverted
spec cant be too op you know
(do damage)
molten oasis
spec cant be too op you know
Not even the other specs are op? So really why? Not like Outlaw or any of the rouges are wildly op yes I understand Subs getting a lot of play but isn’t that coz of burst windows
nova sinew
The spec was good 6 years ago so now it has to be dogshit for eternity
Also there is a new meme spec so it has to be meta for like 2 seasons or something can’t have outlaw beating it
cinder relic
Not even the other specs are op? So really why? Not like Outlaw or any of the ro...
I think rogue was flying under the radar a bit atm. surprised they got nerfed, but rogue looked kinda good atm
Think the streets are saying sin kinda mid but who knows at this rate what ends up being good
molten oasis
I think rogue was flying under the radar a bit atm. surprised they got nerfed, b...
Yeah okey not like I’ll play anything elce lol I play bear phys comp
cinder relic
molten oasis
Yep
molten oasis
Think the streets are saying sin kinda mid but who knows at this rate what ends ...
Seems like it stm
round spindle
They way blizz worded the tuning announcement made it sound like damage would be comparable to what it was with the aura buff. Were they just lying to us?
tender wedge
Think the streets are saying sin kinda mid but who knows at this rate what ends ...
Streets always say sin kinda mid but then it’s always good for prog
cinder relic
Basic-lee
cinder relic
Seems like it stm
I mean it's half a joke half a serious comment
tender wedge
Sounds like we’re chillin
cinder relic
But like, geninely trying to workout whats gonna be "the play" for prog atp is just a waste of time
tender wedge
But I agree all 3 specs feel kinda cosy right now
cinder relic
My suggestion is you either play the spec u want, cuz its a video game, and u play it for fun
or, you get practiced with all the specs now, and have a rough idea of what you "should" be doing with them IF they were to be the best spec
molten oasis
I mean it's half a joke half a serious comment
Nah fair seems mid atm but like I said I play Bear - MW - ROUGE - Hunter - War so 🤷♀️ I’ll be playing this or Sub at this rate
cinder relic
Yer
I think Outlaw and Sub are still solid rn so
Play whats fun until the meta sorts itself out yk
molten oasis
Yesh probs gonna start with outlaw coz im more cozy on it but after that if subs better ill play that but outlaw is 15% buffed in that comp and sub is under 10% or somthing so sub have to preform a bit better lol
Plus going Pew pew with your Gun is fun to hit
Think the hype of “S” tier specs is stupid like every dps but Aug got Title this session 🤷♀️
And unless your WF playing a X spec is not needed
cinder relic
lol yeah thats a whole other topic
molten oasis
Your 100% right play what you enjoy the most it’s a game
molten oasis
lol yeah thats a whole other topic
Yesh 100% lol 😂 I’m mate with a FOTM rerollers player I swear he lives and dies about tier lists
cinder relic
I mean if t hats the type of player u wanna be go crazy but yeah I mean
I've played rogue since legion
its worekd out fine for me so far
molten oasis
I mean if t hats the type of player u wanna be go crazy but yeah I mean
I geuss so 🤷♀️ I get CE I get Title I just fk around with mates
granite bramble
solemn vessel
heya my OL brothers i might come from Sub since blizz hates us
molten oasis
heya my OL brothers i might come from Sub since blizz hates us
lol may wanna look at the outlaw nerfs bro before you say that
solemn vessel
lol may wanna look at the outlaw nerfs bro before you say that
is it that bad
dude blizz wants rogue to be cosmetic class ig
Buff DK nerf Rogue make it make since
cinder relic
Probs cuz rogue is good on beta rn
molten oasis
is it that bad
Yesh Quite large AOE nerf and -15% area nerf
vivid vessel
aura
daring yoke
is preparation not in cdm fixed in beta?
solemn vessel
Probs cuz rogue is good on beta rn
how do i get beta
all i have is midnight ptr and
solemn vessel
ptr 12.0
fathom bramble
weird
vivid vessel
I guess that's only for rogue eh
weary goblet
they also received a flat 15% all shadow dmg nerf afaik
fathom bramble
well yeah
it's just that when BF got hit a 2nd time some people were saying that blizz is reducing passive cleave across the board
but we are seeing a few specs that clearly are not part of that "across the board" showing that perhaps there was no credibility to that assumption in the first place
frail veldt
Sucks that passive cleave is like 80% of our AOE
fathom bramble
given what hunters, spriests, and warriors are still doing
frail veldt
And most classes passive cleave is far lower portion of their AOE
quaint mauve
they just hate us
iron fable
Blind with the added talent still should be aoe, or thats a bug? I heard somewhere rogue lost the aoe blind
But my blind ingame goes aoe
eternal skiff
you can get Blinding Powder (passive) which gives reduced cooldown and increased range
iron fable
Ty
weary goblet
they just hate us
Oh, the misery
Everybody wants to be my enemy
quaint mauve
*Oh, the misery*
*Everybody wants to be my enemy*
spare the sympathy
leaden folio
remember when they said "rogue outlaw should not have extra range because everyone should have it or nobody" ?
my dk unholy can hit target at the same range of my evoker
at this point. they should consider to let outlaw use dagger. so it will be clearly an upgrade to switch spec on the start of the progress
devout garden
my dk unholy can hit target at the same range of my evoker
urhmm akshually udk need that range ☝️ 🤓 and outlaw extra range was creating unfair advantage over different melee specs which is unacceptable
mighty pivot
we need that guy who was talking about "ranged outlaw" as a build to become the dev
wintry solar
for comedic relief of course
safe pasture
Does the spec still feel fun and fast paced sense the re work to it ? Or did they cook it
iron fable
Do we use killing spree on cd, or we wait to use it right after adrenaline rush? Just send it, i assume?
silk dirge
iron fable
Ty!
Faq sais i should between the eyes in the opener, and its higher prio than KS, on wowhead opener uses dispatch for slice, than build back and KS, so i should use in between instead of KS until i run out of resets?
inland acorn
Faq sais i should between the eyes in the opener, and its higher prio than KS, o...
FAQ has dispatch in the opener if SnD is not up ?
Also yes, BtE is higher prio than KS
spare flare
heady dawn
Any good rogue UI's around?
gaunt phoenix
Unlikely to be anything special
proven ocean
Guys
desert tendon
Cow
gaunt phoenix
No feet. Login screen is a gaping voidhole
desert tendon
zero is so easy to bait
hollow creek
Are outlaw gonna be valid ?
mighty pivot
you are always valid, king 
hollow creek
My man
potent ore
Are outlaw gonna be valid ?
Not after these nerfs, we are below feral
i have no idea what im talking about
hollow creek
I just wanna be a s tier Guy :/
iron fable
Imagine ill change from mage to outlaw for next season
ruby walrus
Arcane is more busted now lol
plain fox
!ui
river wing
we need that guy who was talking about "ranged outlaw" as a build to become the ...
he might actually make outlaw just full ranged, with a gun
wouldn't mind that myself tbh
desert tendon
i wish they made outlaw a cosmetic, oh wait
untold wadi
he might actually make outlaw just full ranged, with a gun
wouldn't mind that my...
ok now u don't need grapple
say byebye
river wing
ok now u don't need grapple
eh
mage is ranged and still has two blinks on 15s CD
river wing
fair, if rogue was as loved as mage, we'd be so gucci
covert kestrel
fair, if rogue was as loved as mage, we'd be so gucci
river wing
https://tenor.com/view/gino-d%27acampo-gino-dacampo-this-morning-grandmother-whe...
we so much down the doom route we don't even consider mage and rogue to be the same kind of object...
zinc briar
what happened? whats the nerF?
thick valve
Is it worth generating combo points while Blade Flurry is active, or is it better to just spam SS / Pistol Shot?
zinc briar
ah thx i see the pin now
prisma heron
Haven’t played in months. Just logged in yesterday and I still just like the whack-a-mole gameplay.
Are the energy issues bad? Are there any other classes that play like this?
covert kestrel
Is it worth generating combo points while Blade Flurry is active, or is it bette...
Like using bf as a builder if you don't technically need to?
Yes if you have deft and over 4 targets you press bf to build
