outlaw

[strange kelp]

22% is the landing page under "Playing Outlaw in Midnight" the 25% is on Stats page, and the 17-20% is on BIS page

[cinder relic]

Bah

I'll fix it when I get home tnt

[mighty pivot]

tnt

[warped spruce]

it is letting you track buffs?

[buoyant cosmos]

What's a geelyff?

[keen belfry]

arcui is

[warped spruce]

So some addons are allowed to show buffs while other addons cannot show those same ones?

[keen belfry]

no, arcui just uses the buffs from cooldownmanager

unless im not understanding your question

[warped spruce]

no that makes sense, thank you lots

[fathom bramble]

I think there is some value in making the distinction between Haste on gear and total haste since we need 22% on gear, but that ends up looking like 25% on your character sheet

[gaunt phoenix]

as far as i can tell, fatebound on beta may not optimize towards 25% on sheet

[fathom bramble]

Higher or lower?

[gaunt phoenix]

a bit lower

[white marten]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[cinder relic]

Sure I can clarify that it needs to be x% haste on Ur character sheet

[fathom bramble]

yeah looking at some stuff I ran earlier it actually can lose before 25% even though haste still has that inflection points at ~25% total haste that it loses a ton of value at

I was mostly interested in how much value haste lost at 25% and didn't notice

[gaunt phoenix]

@cinder relic you can put 22-25% as opposed to just 22%

[hearty stump]

one of the worst low key changes in midnight is a slower grappling hook. feels 100x worse and just did not need to be changed

does anyone have insight as to why that happened? half of classes movement abilities are literal teleports so idk why we needed ours nerfed

[cinder relic]

Trickster still wants 30%?

[quick ridge]

I honestly like it more, it gives me time to plan the second grapple while midair. But I can definitely see disliking it

[gaunt phoenix]

That's for prepatch. on beta, nope

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

fuck you haha

[gaunt phoenix]

?!>!@#?!

[vivid vessel]

noob !

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel wangbar update, width resizing and anchoring to cdm

nbd.

[vivid vessel]

nbd.

did it help

all my yapping

[keen belfry]

yeah

learning about that helped

someone update wangbar and lmk if its working for ya

[quaint mauve]

yeah bricked my pc thank you bro

[keen belfry]

np cuh

got u

[haughty moat]

my cp bar is bricked with update

[keen belfry]

what cooldown maanger od u use

[haughty moat]

bcdm

[keen belfry]

can u show whole UI?

where is your cds

[hearty stump]

im glad some people like it, i just loved being able to zip across a large distance insanely fast

[keen belfry]

turn off auto resizing as well if it bricks @haughty moat

[haughty moat]

ah it was the auto sizing

manual works

[keen belfry]

yeah, most of the issues will come from that being enabled for certgain conditions

where is your cd bar?

is it not enabled?

[keen belfry]

can you enable it, then open edit mode and see if it find sit?

cause my local code works fine with bcm

[haughty moat]

hmmm ya im not using the cd's because i got my hotkeys there

[keen belfry]

okay so that bar is just an action bar?

[haughty moat]

yeah

[keen belfry]

yeah then just disable the setting

i should maybe have the setting disabled by default

[haughty moat]

gotcha

ya ui is kinda weird^^

[keen belfry]

naw action bars are totally fine for cd tracker in midnight, just a weird case with my addon

[keen belfry]

is there a setting i can add to make it more obvious what the setting does/or whatever

[haughty moat]

nah maybe just an mouseover info

or just write in the welcome panel

ppl can read i guess^^

[keen belfry]

something like, only enable the setting if you are using a cooldown manager bar? thingy

[haughty moat]

ye something like that

[keen belfry]

how do you disable JUST the essential cds in bcm?

or are those all action bars?

[craggy barn]

wang u arent planning on doing other classes right

[haughty moat]

under the cp bar are all action bars

[keen belfry]

ill probably add enhance, and mage mage charges? but not all, atleast not planning on it yet

[craggy barn]

i might just fork it then

[daring yoke]

does stealth still give movspeed?

[keen belfry]

make a pr cuh

[craggy barn]

still thinking about it

[keen belfry]

wait so you dont even use the cdm? or what do you do

[craggy barn]

im working on a visual scripting thing for APL as a personal project

[haughty moat]

i use it for trinket, and buffs

[craggy barn]

wang wheres the gh link

wtf

[keen belfry]

how do you disable the cd bar?

trying to replicate your issue

[keen belfry]

should be on the addon link

[haughty moat]

in edit mode, just throw out all

[craggy barn]

in game?

bruh i dont want to log on rn

[keen belfry]

curseforge!!!

[keen belfry]

can you show me if the game is picking up your cd bar? i bet it set its width to your very small cd bar

[craggy barn]

bruh its not that obvious lol

i have the link, just sayin thats what i see

[keen belfry]

yeah curseforge can be weird

[keen belfry]

i learned about packaging yesterday

[keen belfry]

i meant in edit mode

[haughty moat]

i dont have that green arrows if you mean that

[keen belfry]

i mean just the big blue outlined bar

is that somewhere in your ui?

it might be small

[haughty moat]

nope

[keen belfry]

me confused

essential cooldowns stil shows up even when its empty

[haughty moat]

yeah its left under my health bar

[keen belfry]

can u show me it, is it very small?

addon talk talking over outlaw

[keen belfry]

mmm okay so thats wfor sure what was happening

it was setting its width to that bar

[haughty moat]

ahh its not horizontal, maybe thats the point

[keen belfry]

so many different scenarios, i wonder if i just accept some misses

[vivid vessel]

just make it a setting

[haughty moat]

ya dont fix it for me, i can set manual and im fine ^^

[vivid vessel]

either people check the "sync to essential bar"

or they dont

ah ok

[keen belfry]

should it be disabled by default u htink?

[vivid vessel]

you dont need a button for arcui compabiltiy i feel like

[keen belfry]

i set it enabled to default

[vivid vessel]

cant you just check if you find a arcui frame

instead of having a checkbox

[keen belfry]

i bet i could

well, i actgually kinda have it setup that way

but i could do without that button

[covert kestrel]

#outlaw is now wangbar support

For The People

[haughty moat]

its great work, so i love to help 🙂

[mighty pivot]

[keen belfry]

crazy question from me

mb

[haughty moat]

💀

but i would still love to see my overcharged CP's without having cp's^^

[tender wedge]

it's actually very big im afraid mr wang

[haughty moat]

huge

[gaunt phoenix]

nice wang

[frank finch]

huge

[tender wedge]

just wanted to log in and i get flashbanged by a long wang

wangbanged?

[keen belfry]

big flex

[daring yoke]

nhuge wang

[mighty pivot]

HUGE update

[keen belfry]

HUGE

[tender wedge]

hmmm i anchored to CDM and it's disappeared entirely

i play wow to escape reality man, not have it reinforced

[keen belfry]

rlly?

show

what cdm addon

[tender wedge]

no CDM addon

maybe thats my issue

ooooo i found it

[keen belfry]

where was it

it shouold work with no addon

[tender wedge]

top left corner of my screen off to the side

[keen belfry]

hmmmmmmmmmm

what was the X and Y offset

[tender wedge]

i resized it and moved it manually and we've found the wang again

it was reset to 0.0

after update

[keen belfry]

i wonder if it didnt find your cdm

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/where-there's-a-will-there's-a-wang-ben-brad-gage-wong-fu-productions-asian-bachelorette-2-gif-3610278869484465864

[tender wedge]

thank god for my strong will

[covert kestrel]

@keen belfry this should be ur profile

[keen belfry]

i should add a fall back where if it doesnt find a cdm it just ignore the anchoring??

[keen belfry]

saving

[untold wadi]

no more energy shortage yay

[haughty moat]

guys, what do you use now as crosshair for ya character ? i lose myself all the time^^

i dont like using my monitor crosshair

[silk pumice]

logs back in after several months

wheres my fkn weakauras

reads the news ah fuck me deeead

[tender wedge]

there's an addon called wilditools (?) that has this function

[formal knot]

yeah ive been using that, wildutools

[haughty moat]

cool ill check it

[haughty moat]

hmmmmm is there an option to turn off out of cambat ?

[lapis bolt]

Guys is outlaw bis now?

is it time

[lethal oak]

Easily

[tender wedge]

Always has been

[untold wadi]

wym out of combat

u mean the "zzz" shit u see on ur frame?

[warped spruce]

I wanna find out if I'm doing things right on the set of target dummies. Is it unwise to go at it for 5min at 5 targets(dummies) and set up raidbots to do the same to see if I'm sorta doing things right via comparing dmg meter to raid bots dmg numbers?

[pine tangle]

I know there’s lots of changes to what we can track. My RTB buff tracks as a bar on the side but I want it to show up on my cooldown manager thing as a buff, is that possible still?

[quaint mauve]

yea instead of 1 add on

now you need like

more or something

kinda sucks

[buoyant stratus]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[buoyant stratus]

WANGBAR DETECTED

[frail veldt]

could just use weakauras

thats what I use for my cursor

[tender wedge]

yeah you just need to drag RTB from "Tracked Bars" to "Tracked Buffs"

[frail veldt]

is the coldblood sound super loud or somethign? lol

why do we need to mute it

[gaunt phoenix]

no it's just constant

[tender wedge]

ive literally never noticed it

[gaunt phoenix]

i did immediately, though we dont use it in prepatch

[pine tangle]

ty

[keen belfry]

WANGBAR

[carmine bay]

i feel like most of my damage at the moment is auto attacks…. looking at the damage meters

[pastel kindle]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[brittle pelican]

do we ever clip kspree or let it rock full duration?

[pastel sierra]

Preference according to solo's message here, in AoE clipping it means more dmg on the prio target tho

[whole storm]

if targets are less than 3 should we still use KS ?

[whole storm]

thats in normal wow settings ?

[frail veldt]

yeah KS is used regardless of target count

[harsh forge]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[tender wedge]

Yeah that’s blizz cdm

[midnight ridge]

does ks still need bf to hit aoe or they just deleted this part with rework?

[shut matrix]

do you guys enjoy the current iteration? I'm currently hesitant on commiting to outlaw-rogue for midnight for the first time since 2015

[unkempt cypress]

If it does good dmg I'll enjoy it

[pastel pendant]

No it sucks ass to play now

[hasty warren]

Still not try it but looks horrible

[nova blaze]

compared it feels really washed out and ass compared to before. i wasnt allowed to do reclear of a raid because i didnt deal any dmg. if youre not an autist class loyalist like me then id recommend take another spec or even class and spare youreself the agony

[tender wedge]

not allowed to do reclear because your spec is mid seems a bit dramatic

especially with how nerfed bosses are

[pastel pendant]

nah I believe it. Outlaw is dumpster trash garbage spec now, why would any1 wanna play with this god awful spec, just take outlaw out back and put a bullet in this spec alrdy my god these devs really dropped the ball sry just not happy rn

[agile orchid]

then the guild must be trash

I was allowed to bring rat alts with no problem

the raid is a joke

[tender wedge]

my brother its performing slightly below mid amongst all dps, it's not doing trash damage now, if you're doing so little damage you guild won't take you then i suggest they might be breaking it to you real gently

[pastel pendant]

its not just about the dmg, the class is soulless garbage now, theres literally 0 point in playing it.

[tender wedge]

i mean thats subjective and you're welcome to that view

there's no need to sully your opinion with clearly disprovable info tho

[pastel pendant]

thats the objective truth

its fact

[agile orchid]

if they fix the energy issue it would be a banger spec ngl

[pastel pendant]

the spec is SOULESS

[tender wedge]

k

[agile orchid]

then you haven't played sub or bm

[pastel pendant]

low apm slow dull ass boring ass spec now

devs ruined it

no fun

[agile orchid]

ok you're trolling now

[pastel pendant]

how

[agile orchid]

how is outlaw slow

[pastel pendant]

anything i jsut said now true

YES

it is slow

what

lol

[agile orchid]

it's not

[pastel pendant]

its a lot slower than it was

wtf

yes it is

so much slower bro

like what

[agile orchid]

compared to other specs it definitely isn't

[pastel pendant]

compared to how it played its sooooo much slower

[agile orchid]

outlaw is back to shadowlands outlaw

[pastel pendant]

its disgustingly slow

it makes me wanna fall asleep

[agile orchid]

then go take your adhd meds or something

idk

[pastel pendant]

aint no way any1 actually likes this complete butchering of outlaw now

it was so much fun before

now its slop

this shit literally keeps me up at night its so bad

[vital gorge]

there are other always options to choose from if you don't like it

[tender wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-get-some-help-gif-8670192

[pastel pendant]

there r no other options

i just wanna play crackshot vanish high adr spec

thats it

and they took it away

[shell fossil]

i actually miss hitting sinister strike more

[pastel pendant]

not all were left with is slop

[shell fossil]

or like i dunno the need to react to low combo generation

[vital gorge]

you can always wait until war within classic

[pastel pendant]

like i literally cant sleep

[shell fossil]

it's kinda just two buff sinister strike finisher rn

[pastel pendant]

bro its literally the downtime roation of tww

thyats all outlaw is now

just soulless slop

[shell fossil]

ye it's very stiff without between the eyes

[pastel pendant]

mhmm

have fun

[shell fossil]

hidden opportunity proccing bte resets would be neat

[pastel pendant]

firing the devs that designed this version of outlaw would also be NEAT

[shell fossil]

ambush proc > react > bte proc > react

[near lichen]

Playing rogue for the raid next expansion, idk why but it feels so energy starved with 20% haste am i doing sormthing wrong

[pastel pendant]

no

the spec is asss now

nothing u can do

[shell fossil]

nah i like the change 1% of overall pop playing rogue is lamer tham a season with a simpler rotation

all the rogue spec reworks have good bones

[tender wedge]

i must be doing something wrong since im never even close to running out of energy

but im at 28% haste so

[pastel pendant]

yea ur in ad ream

or altrnate reality

or ur playing a different game

[tender wedge]

[pastel pendant]

just reroll fury war

[near lichen]

Tried them all and sin and outlaw does feel kinda sluggish, no opp procs really hit hard

[pastel pendant]

theyre both braindead specs muight as well play the one thats actually fun

[near lichen]

Sorry outlaw general
Im having to go sub

[pastel pendant]

fury much faster muhc smoother

higher apm too

reorll that

imo

[near lichen]

No war sucks

[pastel pendant]

outlaw builder spender spec now

thats it

[near lichen]

And i want stealth

[pastel pendant]

braindead

spec

[near lichen]

Sub is good and at least is uncapped to a degree

[pastel pendant]

idc bout sub

just want outlaw to be how it was b4

[whole storm]

and i can track from it BTE buff stacks, BF, RTB ...etc??? that would be awsome

[tender wedge]

yes, all those things 🙂

[whole storm]

a seperate bar ?

[tender wedge]

what do you mean? you can set it to the buff icons or as buff bars

[whole storm]

like a bar i can design only for certain buffs i choose, like the ones i mentioned, and they wont be in the same bar as for example posien, oils, external buffs

[tender wedge]

yes that's correct

[whole storm]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-nice-gif-14153667

thanks man

[tender wedge]

the only limitation with default blizz cdm is if you want, say, some icons over HERE and some icons over HERE

you're out of luck, they all get grouped together

but the buff bars are a separate movable thing

or just use one of the addons like Better Cooldown Manager or ArcUI that let you create new groups

[whole storm]

i see, thanks for clarifying man

[midnight ridge]

whats the +/- st dps of outlaw now?

[tender wedge]

what you mean

[midnight ridge]

is patchwerk st sim accurate or what value should i get on st dummy

[tender wedge]

in prepatch?

[midnight ridge]

ye

[tender wedge]

im usually sitting around 22-24k at max ilvl or thereabouts

[shut matrix]

you can sleep while pooling tho 😂

[tender wedge]

no lust or consumes etc

haven't simmed actually

[midnight ridge]

sim says 26,9k

but man, "rotation" is kinda boring

[tender wedge]

cool well thats sounds about right then

[midnight ridge]

i hope bte procs will increase with apex

[tender wedge]

they will, not sure you're gonna reach that same dopamine hit as with crackshot and resets though

[untold wadi]

sober outlaw

no more cracc crakk

[pastel pendant]

yep its neutered now no more fun times

the devs were like what can we do to make the spec as boring and unfun as possible

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel do u have any dev hours in midnight?

[eternal iron]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[gaunt phoenix]

30% haste for prepatch, up to 25% in beta

[untold wadi]

my favorite four letter acronym never came true

[fluid moon]

Is there an addon that adds sound warnings to buffs running out to the cooldown manager? like roll the bones

[untold wadi]

fruitless branding

[pastel pendant]

bro you dont need any of that to play outlaw now. Just mindlessly press ur buttons and youll do ehh mid dmg AT BEST

no addons required

[fluid moon]

i never played outlaw and i forget to press roll again, so it would help 😄

[hasty warren]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[gaunt phoenix]

The cdm on beta has sound alerts on buffs

[fluid moon]

ah nice, ty

[gaunt phoenix]

Prepatch does not

Idk if arcui can do it

[jovial sedge]

does someone know if there's a way to split up the buffsbar with bettercdm? or is it just arcui

[midnight ridge]

i wonder if there will be some improvements to sound alerts, i set one on bte cd, and sometimes it is delayed by 1 sec or sth, crazy thing

also i'd love to have remaining cd sound alert

like 5 sec till rtb ends

[deep python]

Played outlaw for the first time since Bfa main. I saw some people on the forms complaining that the spec was extremely slow. I’m not sure what they’re talking about. There wasn’t a lot of time where I was out of energy and I felt like blade rush energy was not needed.

[mighty pivot]

I also noticed a delay with the sound alerts. I believe it happens if the ability becomes available during a gcd; the alert handler still considers the ability on cd

[hasty warren]

Is it possible with ArcUI to change an spell Icon when we have a proc ?

[tidal sequoia]

Any1 using WangBar addon? WHy is mine stretched on whole screen

and when i anchor it to cdm it disappears ?

[hasty warren]

u have to setup it

[mighty pivot]

If you don't need BR energy you have gaps between your gcds

[deep python]

Sorry, do you have an example?

[mighty pivot]

You have between 0.8s and 1s GCD when pressing abilities. If you are pressing slower than that, you might feel fewer/no gaps, but that's the same as pressing the buttons fast and then having a gap. Even the sim needs all the energy talents and high haste to minimise energy issues

BR energy is pretty substantial, probably the second highest source after fatal flourish

Outlaw is still fast, though, it just lost a lot of its APM compared to tww

[deep python]

Are you talking about the beta or pre-patch? Sorry forgot to mention I was speaking of the prepatch. I guess I haven’t been playing the spec for the last 2+ expansions only thing I remember is AR being more readily available. Not sure I like using blade dance just seems like a random button.

[mighty pivot]

Both. In prepatch it's easier to reach high haste though (late season, and the squish provided a gain of stats)

[deep python]

Yeah, I’ve currently have close to 30% maybe even past that.

[acoustic nest]

hellooo

does someone has a lil combo guide for me like a 30sec video im sturggling a bit

[mighty pivot]

It's also more manageable in raids because you have 3 tea charges for a very short fight. In dungeons tea runs out and then there is energy struggle

[untold wadi]

play dfs2 - twws3

it's a whole lot slower

and gutted, substance wise

[hasty warren]

I can't find how to move cd bars with ArcUI

even with the editor mode it's not possible

[stray vault]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[unkempt swift]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mint sinew]

guys how difficult is outlaw apm now? unc have issues with high apm classes and never could pull outlaw because of it

[shell fossil]

track adrenaline rush, rtb condition, and blade flurry

bte off cooldown with 6 combos, dispatch at 5

you're hitting sinister strike 1-2 times before dispatch and refreshing blade flurry when bte is on cooldown

is not difficult but it'll probably feel a little more spreadsheet-y like subtlety in midnight

[fluid moon]

do i not use slice and dice as outlaw?

[shell fossil]

adrenaline rush isn't always up etc

[patent mirage]

you dont have to

it will happen auto because of cut to the chase

[deep python]

Is dispatch 5 or 6 based on hero talents. I’ve been throwing everything at 6+

[shell fossil]

hero talents ye fatebound sends at 5

now that you mention it think i was doing it wrong on trickster the last few days lol

[hasty warren]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[strong halo]

I’m a little confused, Elvui, big wigs, little wigs still works why change UI at all ? Other than the ability trackers from weak auras

[deep python]

Speaking of easy reminder, hopefully we can get something better. I was hoping for ready check style poisoning application

[fluid moon]

do you know if sub is alot behind outlaw on beta?

[hasty warren]

QoL and personalisation

[shell fossil]

i've played a few low keys on sub with an outlaw like 15-16 range

they're pretty close

afair

most pulls are over 8 targets, bosses are kinda floppy, how the tank pulls etc

[fluid moon]

would be nice, i really don´t like outlaw, but i loved combat before. If sub is really close, maybe i can play that.
Thank you 🙂

[strong halo]

I’m kinda curious though have most people here moved away from Elvui?

[shell fossil]

ye if you're wanting to focus on fight mechanics sub is nice to pick up

[quaint sable]

Who says ppl used elv before prepatch. But elv updated p late so a lot of ppl made nee uis w/o elv and then just ran with it.

[hasty warren]

I don't like ElvUI so i'm using other addons

[errant fractal]

am I reading this correctly, I want to 6stack pistol shot no matter how many cp I'm at?

[gaunt phoenix]

no, you still ps at 3 stacks, based on your current combo points

[errant fractal]

ah so the little bracket after the 3stack also applies to the 6stack? : )

[gaunt phoenix]

I don't know what you're looking at specifically.

[gaunt phoenix]

no, it doesnt apply, they are different priorities

if you are at 6 stacks, you use pistol shot regardless of combo points (unless you need to finish).
if you are at 3 stacks, you use pistol shot only at 1-3cps, otherwise you sinister strike

[errant fractal]

okay that's wild

I've been SSing at 5 cp and holding the 6stack

[neat mist]

https://www.reddit.com/r/WowUI/comments/1qt5jsb/how_do_i_move_the_chat_box_into_the_corner_im/

Which one of you did this

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean, SS and PS basically generate the same CPs at stage 2 rtb. if you press SS there, you just risk overcapping opportunity for no gain

[errant fractal]

yeah I get the logic of it now, I've been avoiding this spec since bfa but I'm re-learning it now, kinda starting from scratch with it haha, not finishing at 5 is really messing with my brain

[gaunt phoenix]

it is awkward, at least when we swap to fatebound we can dispatch at 5

[deep python]

they need to keep it consistant between hero talents, that would be my one ask.

[errant fractal]

I'm not sure I'll like that either, having to think of different cp for finishers is gonna mess with me as well lmfao

I guess once the spec isn't new to me it will be fun skill expression

[gaunt phoenix]

once you get used to the rotation there is not much else to think about

[shell fossil]

fatebound with keep it rolling is pretty fun tbh

[errant fractal]

I'm ngl I rly dislike killing spree

feels like a shit fists of fury lol

[gaunt phoenix]

it's in a weird spot

[shell fossil]

with trickster there's a little downtime when you have bad rolls where you're waiting for blade rush/rtb to come back up and doing builder spender stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

they put all this work to make it fancy and not kill you only for it to be disliked again

I think it should be not random targets, just make it hit everything around you, the animation can stay the same who cares

and something in the trickster tree should significantly buff its damage

[shell fossil]

would love if it targeted whoever you cast between the eyes on

so you can uh aim it so to speak

[errant fractal]

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[gaunt phoenix]

that ones a bit old

[inland meteor]

lmfao my wangbar moving mad after the update

[jovial sedge]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[jovial sedge]

🙁

[stuck sparrow]

bigwang

[proven ocean]

@keen belfry everyone likes ur addon gnawa..

[fossil lintel]

We enjoy a big Wangbar, no shame in that ross

[lone crow]

is there no way to track if im in stealth or not?

[proven ocean]

stance bar or

[lone crow]

all my bars are hidden

is this the only way rn or what omg

[proven ocean]

idk they said they'll make everything possible but apparently their UI is just omega flawed still

ask zac

[waxen scarab]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[keen belfry]

Try disabling some of the auto size settings, I need to change their defaults

[inland meteor]

ye did that earlier, fixed it

[fallen knot]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[keen belfry]

Was it the arcui setting?

[fallen knot]

i love that !wa is still the way to go command btw

[violet swan]

same )))

[inland meteor]

i have arcui installed but idk what setting you mean

[fallen knot]

bro so i have a question

[inland meteor]

on wangbar i turned off the auto size to cdm setting

[fallen knot]

i am rolling back to back to back jackpots while setting my arcui

am i doomed for the whole next expansion=?

[violet swan]

I've got default UI. no UI addons except BCDM maybe

[keen belfry]

There’s a defect arcui buton you can turn off on, I wonder if that’s causing the issue. Did you just turn off auto sizing?

[inland meteor]

yeah just turned off auto sizing

[keen belfry]

Okay, and interesting the set its width to your whole screen

[unkempt swift]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty pivot]

ultrawide energy bar

are you guys ready for a banger beta build this week

[keen belfry]

@inland meteor what addons were u using again,

[keen belfry]

yessssssssssss

[inland meteor]

arcui i think should be the only relevant addon

[keen belfry]

yeah

so i use arcui too, and when i disable arcui it gets set to a crazy width

[fresh acorn]

I heard they’re partnering with WangBar to help improve the Blizzard Cooldown Manager

[keen belfry]

wangbar so bug free

never messses up

[mighty pivot]

truke

[fallen knot]

am i stupid

how do i toggle settings for sensei resource bar

[keen belfry]

championclub.

someone tell stov

you dont use sensei u use wangbar.

[fallen knot]

i wanted to try it out

[mighty pivot]

awang is the hokage

[fallen knot]

since i cant make my bars on arcui

for cp and energy just like i did for fucking maelstrom on enha and ele

editmode is the answer

fml i guess?

[covert kestrel]

Sensei kinda buns

I use better cdm for resource bars besides rogue (wangbar goated frfr) and then use arcui just for the custom bars and such for buffs

[fallen knot]

just tried for the first time since prepatch outlaw on dummies

ngl

it feels weird

very weird

[desert tendon]

damn

wangbar grew by night

[proven ocean]

is midnight out btw

or is it just prepatch

[vestal notch]

prepatch

[radiant wyvern]

Wangbar Magnum

[mental epoch]

How should I be tracking roll the bones buffs if Im using blizzard UI with no addons?

[frail veldt]

cooldown manager can track the buff

and you just have to look at the icon when you have the buff to determine which stage of rtb you have

[mental epoch]

oh i didnt know it could do that! ill look at setting that up, thank you

[dim parrot]

Can you clarify the icon part? Was about to ask about this

[deep python]

Anyone else using "tell me when" I found im able to track buffs that are not active. Really helps with relearning rotation. Calling me an idiot when Rtb is not active. lol

[dim parrot]

Mine shows as well as blade flurry but only looks like one buff no matter what

Or is the name and icon the way to know what stage it is? Is that what you mean

[mighty pivot]

it's only 1 buff active at a time for rtb. each stage has a different icon

[dim parrot]

Ah ok

Was like damn I only ever roll 1 buff lol

[tender wedge]

No, I’m the same, some “buffs” I prefer to only pop up when low duration left / not active as well

[mental epoch]

any way to get rid of my personal frame?

[summer swan]

what can we use instead of wa

[mental epoch]

the cooldown manager works perfectly for tracking roll the bones buffs, by the way! thank you

[tender wedge]

Oh

I didn’t read your question lol

[frail veldt]

its just an icon change

[deep python]

yeah thats basically what I am using it for. I couldn't find anything else that worked besides tell me when.

[frail veldt]

so if you select roll the bones as a buff it will track the buff, it has a different color for each stage

[summer swan]

i cant see combo points

[tender wedge]

I don’t think so, not without a unit frame addon

[frail veldt]

its rng which level you get so you might need to press it a few times before you see a different one

[mental epoch]

sadge

i cant make it smaller either

[frail veldt]

yeah most of the UI customization will need addons

[tender wedge]

I mean it’s no big deal, use something like Unhalted Unit Frames then just disable player frame

[frail veldt]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[tender wedge]

Very simple

[frail veldt]

this covers the basics to do 95% of what you would want

so only 4 addons really

[mental epoch]

I am going completely without addons, uninstalled all 50 i had for prepatch and im just going to use blizz for the time being

So, certain shit like this will just be annoying

[fervent garden]

50? jesus

[keen belfry]

what yallt hink of my prepatch build

piss?

[frail veldt]

yeah youll just have to accept the limitations p much

nothing you can do about it

[deep python]

I just wish blizzard had more options in the cooldown manager. I think its coming along, just needs more time to cook.

[mental epoch]

I will say it had more functionality than I thought it did

[tender wedge]

The basic blizzard CDM is actually mostly fine

[frail veldt]

yeah the sad truth is that addons are still a competitive advantage

[tender wedge]

It’s other things that are unacceptable state like nameplates and party frames imo

[frail veldt]

ive always used default party/raid frames haha

even as a healer

[deep python]

Yeah blizzard stock is not terrible, I think they could use different text to speech. Anyone else getting errors via the text to speech lol

[keen belfry]

@gaunt phoenix

[tender wedge]

Playing on hard mode

[mental epoch]

I am adjusting as a healer main to Blizz ui

but its really really really hard lmfao

[deep python]

yeah I could not play resto druid with stock. I like the hots in different corners.

[tender wedge]

Grab Danders frames or wait until Cell comes back

[frank finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gErFNg2ZopQ

"outlaw is the best melee dps spec in midnight"

[buoyant stratus]

@keen belfry u2

[lethal oak]

Inc. Nerf because Zac

[hasty warren]

best by the end

[neat mist]

PETKO TIERLIST UPDATE #763 OMG

[radiant wyvern]

bro doesn't have any clue of what hes talking about, just making shit up

[cinder haven]

Tankiness didn’t get nerfed he says

We’re so back

[frank finch]

big

[keen belfry]

lmk how wangbar treats you, king

[tight kernel]

Hows the cb vibe

[prisma vessel]

nerf inc.....

[covert kestrel]

tier list slop enjoyers eating good

[strange kelp]

People love it

[cinder haven]

Maybe he’s deepfaking himself

[strange kelp]

It makes people crazy money

[covert kestrel]

i cant wait to reject people in B tier and below from my push +8 keys

[upper hawk]

he does play every single spec in beta keys. how good he is at each one and how well he can rank them is up in the air, but unlike a lot of these he's at least hands on playing each spec in semi-real content

[strange kelp]

This implies they even get invited to the +2

[tender wedge]

The community fiends for this stuff so

I don’t blame tier list makers

Tbh you’re insane not to

It’s free views

[strange kelp]

With how much money Max said he has made from tier lists before I don't blame them

[untold wadi]

i do

it's scam content

idk maybe like

yodas are ok

since he only does tanks

[crimson arch]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[tender wedge]

lucky you're clever enough to spot it then 😉

[strange kelp]

Yeah if you like Prot Pal in S tier every time lmao

[frail veldt]

Oh nice they reverted the 300% evasion CD increase? And the feint CD increase? And gave us passive pistol shot Dr back? And gave us another way to proc soothing darkness? And gave us enough energy to actually press feint?

[tender wedge]

ok petko just said assa has a high barrier to entry compared to other specs lol

[frail veldt]

LOL

[tender wedge]

entertainment value off the charts

[strange kelp]

It does, it's patience

[frail veldt]

I think it's just engagement bait

[tender wedge]

yeah for sure

[strange kelp]

Gotta wait to push your buttons

Very hard

Grab a crossword puzzle or something to play in-between your abilities

[untold wadi]

just tab out and watch 0.9 seconds of youtube at a time

[frail veldt]

I put subway surfers gameplay on when I play assa

[cinder haven]

I haven't looked at any gear profiles for midnight but I assume we have a lot less vers too

[frail veldt]

Oh yeah that too

[cinder haven]

also less mobility so more likely to get hit

[tender wedge]

yeah its looking like haste to x then crit then vers

[frank finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhcTTnDfnp8

[inland meteor]

isnt it always a tough time to be melee

[frank finch]

only meele worth mentioning is outlaw

surely these guys are on to something

[tender wedge]

outlaw is just tuned really high atm tho

[cinder haven]

for mobility we lost what? hook cdr, hook retraction speed, 15% movement speed?

[tender wedge]

will it remain that way? who can say

[exotic gale]

if i can't go at the end of video to see final tierlist im not watching some dude yap

[frank finch]

it has a timestamp for outlaw

[exotic gale]

no words, just letter and icon of spec

[frank finch]

lol

[exotic gale]

xD

[frail veldt]

yeah arguably sprint cdr as well

[frank finch]

i respect it

[frail veldt]

just in that we have less cdr than in tww

[exotic gale]

see this petko dude makes a video every 3-4 days. i click at the end see rogue decent, i close tab

3 seconds

[frank finch]

outlaw apex is terrible

yea im digging izens analysis

[vivid vessel]

who said that

[frank finch]

o oh

[frail veldt]

petko

[vivid vessel]

im pretty sure outlaw might be the spec that loses the most tankyness

out of every spec

even mage

like we are going to pull up

with 2min evasion

0% vers

no ps dr, no 5% stam

no vanish every 20s for healing

no vanish at all

energy issues for feint

[frank finch]

keep going im almost done

[untold wadi]

spamming feint is so fun

[vivid vessel]

no perma feint

what am i missing guys

[frank finch]

aaaaaaaaaaaaa

[frail veldt]

thats all

only those few things

very minor

[vivid vessel]

ok

fine then

[frank finch]

less sprint to dodge stuff

count that

[vivid vessel]

slow grapple

[frail veldt]

were gona die from slow grapple af

[frank finch]

and that

[frail veldt]

lol

good thing they made us less uptime reliant so we wont lose as much damage when not hitting the target

[frank finch]

but the question is

is al lthis ok if we are the best st

[cinder haven]

right I forgot the 5% stam and the healing, it's pretty bleak eh

[vivid vessel]

[proper veldt]

[cinder haven]

if they give back acro I will forgive it all

[wintry solar]

Let them take more

[cinder haven]

is there anything left to take tho?

[wintry solar]

Well yeah

[cinder haven]

guess they can take hook and sprint off restless blades

[wintry solar]

There's a lot they could take with a bit of imagination

[frail veldt]

I wont

[frail veldt]

feint back on gcd

[cinder haven]

I'm sure they can do something with elusiveness/cheat

[severe charm]

wait they put feint back on the gcd?

[frail veldt]

lol not yet

[severe charm]

okay lol worried me there

[cinder haven]

that's next expansion

[frail veldt]

maybe they turn cloak into like dispersion

where you cant press buttons during it

banger idea

[severe charm]

i mean they made sonic dmg to make cloak useless already

[ebon reef]

is the new raid full of such?

if thats the case then

[strange kelp]

I mean with current energy drought for sin and outlaw sometimes it feels like feint has a cd

[cinder haven]

petko actually said outlaw is a fan favorite

[severe charm]

do all classes have to spend resource for there defensives?

[strange kelp]

I'll be real id trade a CD for resources on most classes

For def

[severe charm]

i'd rather feint have a cd and no energy cost tbh

[strange kelp]

That would be awful, youd get like 1 charge every 45s

[tender wedge]

i think he means it in the sense of movies being "cult classics"

like there are a few really locked in dudes who love it whatever

[cinder haven]

it's a fan favorite among the outlaw fans

[tender wedge]

not all of them right now 😂

[cinder haven]

no for sure not

[severe charm]

i think alot of rogues would just like, not to have to play sub on expansion launch, like seems to be the going trend lol

[tender wedge]

old mate was in here about 9hrs ago stinking up the channel again

[untold wadi]

imagine they just say sike

and give back real acro

for taking everything

i came

[cinder haven]

they won't tho

[untold wadi]

yea sry u gotta be ret if u wanna have acro

[severe charm]

blizzard, here's acro. it has an internal gcd tho and only happens once every 30 seconds for an auto atk but its there

[inland meteor]

<yeah but now that auto attacks are buffed by 5000% its super worth it

matter of fact put it as an apex talent

[opal valve]

I was pretty surprised by how often I could press feint as Sub, without being punished, compared to other specs. This gave incredible survivability and I wouldn't want to trade that off.

I see the disparity compared to outlaw and sin though. Idk a great solution, but Idk if I'd trade gameable DR for a longer CD.

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/monkey-paw-simpsons-wish-gif-22682473

[tender wedge]

ooo yeah give it the KS treatment

[opal valve]

I was saved plenty of times in a key due to pressing feint and it just being an option all the time.

[tender wedge]

never seen a monkey paw curl so fast as with the KS change

[severe charm]

i think i figured out how we get accro back, its a 2pnt apex talent and only works while standing still.

[tender wedge]

well thats a wash then because we all know you get extra dps from spamming strafe side to side

[severe charm]

i thought it was jumping

[tender wedge]

both

[severe charm]

sir that is how you jump off a platform, and with slower hook it doesn't look good lol

[tender wedge]

and there's your explanation for all my deaths on last boss of rookery 🙃

[heavy shadow]

Is there a way to show combo points on blizz plates?

[haughty wigeon]

what if prep capstone is replaced

by shruikin throw

which makes your autos completely range

[vestal notch]

it used to replace throw

so it could replace bte now

[frail veldt]

Doing a boring rotation from far away doesn't matter much to me

[untold wadi]

even better

once u stop moving

it begins to slowly charge over 5 seconds

once u hit 5 seconds, u get normal acro range

like that one shit ass flask from dragon flight

[wintry solar]

You'd figure people would stop asking blizz for things

It's like there's 0 pattern recognition

[tender wedge]

its no win

don't say anything? scuffed ability remains scuffed

say something? scuffed ability gets unscuffed in one way then double scuffed in another

im usually not a hater but man i dunno why they're so allergic to acknowledging and actioning feedback in a basic way rather than putting in all the work just to make things worse

see recent hpal for reference

[lime lake]

Recent hpal is them doing exactly what you wanted though

They made changes, received negative feedback, and reverted said changes + implemented new ones based on that feedback

[tender wedge]

im referring to the original addition

to their credit they did backtrack it asap after the uproar

[lime lake]

You can't just reference the original part to prove your point then ignore when they fix it

[tender wedge]

but i just did

[wintry solar]

Lmao wtf is this

[tender wedge]

thats a garf

2 garfs even

[wintry solar]

No the interaction

It was funny

[tender wedge]

i was trying to liken the hpal stuff to the KS change in s2

in that

hpals just wanted CS to be a button again but were otherwise kinda ok

[lime lake]

They were not otherwise kinda ok

They were very much not happy with the state hpal was in

[tender wedge]

i must not be in touch with the community that well then my bad

[lime lake]

Thats why blizzard did the additional changes after reverting the crusader strike stuff

It works really well as an example if we ignore every other part of it though

It does work as an example of jdotb's theory of blizzard making shit changes then walking them back so everyone is happy they listened though

[tender wedge]

that seems like so much more work though

but if that's how you secure good vibes then maybe worth

[lime lake]

I dont think its actually true, just very funny

[tender wedge]

wish they'd given KS the wox treatment rather than the redesign they gave it

i.e. the simple fix

[lucid sparrow]

is outlaw ontop rn out of the 3 specs

[proven ocean]

Numbers dont matter

Until after raid is fully released

[cinder relic]

Sub is flying under the radar but outlaw is v good atm

[keen belfry]

why is wangbar sometimes as wide as the screen for some users guys

does anyone know

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1445869457787457627.webp?size=96&animated=true

[untold wadi]

energy exploit?

infinite enorgie

[jolly geyser]

1080 vs 2k monitor?

maybe thats the issue,idk

[vivid vessel]

show code

[cobalt token]

Would it be better for me to upgrade my myth track main hander to max from 0 with gilded or craft bracers/ring/neck first

[keen belfry]

dm

[lethal oak]

[pastel pendant]

what build to make outlaw fun again

[vivid vessel]

welcome to the champion club

[untold wadi]

great again

[pastel pendant]

😢

i could cry

[cinder relic]

I think if you come back tomorrow and ask the same thing it'll change

[lethal oak]

[frail veldt]

UI scaling?

like maybe they have custom ui scaling setting on in blizz ui

[timid idol]

so

has anything changed or is the spec still completely deprived of apm

i haven't kept up with this game since like first midnight beta i think

[frail veldt]

they havent made any gameplay updates to outlaw in a while

[timid idol]

nice

looking like a fun expansion

kill all harmless addons and make horrible changes yay

really excited to be forced to play with blizz ui

[frail veldt]

on the bright side were tuned pretty well on beta right now

[frail veldt]

you can do a lot to improve the base ui

it just takes work

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[gaunt phoenix]

the spec is 67 apm, like how it was from legion to late df

[frail veldt]

if you just get each of the addons from that you can do a lot

[gaunt phoenix]

you dont need a CDM addon though bcdm can at least show trinkets

[lethal oak]

is Platynator better than Plater?

[frail veldt]

this is what mine looks like mainly just using arcui

[gaunt phoenix]

no it's just preference

[timid idol]

oh

i remember people said it was lower during the first betas

thats a bit better

i remember someone on the midnight channel said it was like 40something

[frail veldt]

it was never that low lol

that would be pretty insane

[gaunt phoenix]

that would be ridiculous

[timid idol]

yea thats why i was mad lol, guess mb

ill play around with the ui shit and see how it feels

[timid idol]

this is pretty good

[gaunt phoenix]

in prepatch you need an assload of haste (>30%) to have energy

[timid idol]

only combo points look bad here but otherwise its serviceable

[frail veldt]

I prefer default combo points

[timid idol]

oh

[frail veldt]

but if you get wangbar

you can get the squares WA looking ones

[timid idol]

maybe its not too doomed

[fierce yarrow]

default wangbar

[frail veldt]

its def not doomed but its just a lot of added work for no real benefit so far haha

[timid idol]

also did they kill that gravedigger or something apex talent?

or am i blind

[frail veldt]

nope still there

you dont get it til 90

[gaunt phoenix]

that's beta only, level 90

[timid idol]

makes sense

[frail veldt]

thats why we need extra haste in pre patch

[timid idol]

[cinder relic]

People were very dramatic

[timid idol]

if its df levels of apm its not bad then

im still gonna miss the perma adr gameplay tho

this will prob be my fav version of all time

even more fun than uncapped in bfa

[timid idol]

baller, this looks really good

[cinder relic]

It's like outlaw from bfa/sl with "a gimmick missing"

But it has the DF gimmicks still so

[inland meteor]

dont let the zachs read this

[cinder relic]

Like fan the hammer, like blade rush

[fierce yarrow]

ty still got lot todo with moving the bars, cause my masque skin is now overlapping the wangbar <.< since it doesnt understand why the thingys are bigger now 😄

[lethal oak]

We are only one KS rework away from greatness

[inland meteor]

im having the same issues with arcui with these borders inside the icons

drives me nuts

[timid idol]

i still have this on me

[cinder relic]

I like current ks

[cinder relic]

But yeah, just hop on beta, give it a sniff

Try hitting buttons see if u fw it

[upper surge]

WE GOTTEM BOYS

[timid idol]

im on rn, just buying the boat from the outpost tho

a bit late rn, ill mess around with the rotation tomorrow

[fierce yarrow]

I got it removed just now 😄

[inland meteor]

i got it removed by scaling the icons to a certain size, but they're basically stuck at that size as a result

or did you do something else

[lethal oak]

*targetting rework

[nova sinew]

@keen belfry thanks for adding a /wang

i tried doing that numerous times and it didnt work

[fierce yarrow]

all I did was utility Cooldowns turn on and off in Masque Skin Settings.

[inland meteor]

ill check it out later, havent been using masque for arcui but we'll see

[fierce yarrow]

oh for me it was the masque skin that created the hole mess in the first place I thought. But maybe it was Arc UI right that is annoying me all day 😄

[keen belfry]

got u cuh

[inland meteor]

what does /wang do

[fierce yarrow]

if I understood correctly its a ressource bar like the sensei thingy but just for rogue

[inland meteor]

yeah i know, not to brag or anything but the name wangbar comes from yours truly

im kind of a big deal

[keen belfry]

fefwang

[fierce yarrow]

uhhh 😄

[inland meteor]

but idk what /wang specifically does, seems like its a new addition

[nova sinew]

secret

ive been using /wang a lot tho..

[fierce yarrow]

can you teach me how to make the combo points shiny in diffrent colors depending on why they are there?
like the Supercharged onces etc?

[frail veldt]

supercharger isnt a tracked buff tbh so you dont really need to

[nova sinew]

prepull

good to know

[frail veldt]

it doesnt trigger any changes in rotation so it could be worth ignoring

[fierce yarrow]

I see okay thanks 🙂

[buoyant stratus]

Big W already better than sensei by a mile i just wish there was a number on the side that physically counts my super charger instead of just bar colors. Devlins UI did that for me in TWW and it was what i tended to look at if i ever lost track of supercharger

[tender wedge]

just waiting for shamwangbar now 😉

[frail veldt]

you also can just not keep track of supercharger 🙂

at least as outlaw

idk about the other specs though

[buoyant stratus]

I really dont track it all that much (kinda did with dry shiv assa) but yknow sometimes i like to see the numba

[mighty pivot]

you mean Wangshaming Bar

[tender wedge]

[silk stirrup]

Hey guys, I heard outlaw is OP in beta and everyone is rerolling to it

Is it really that strong?

[patent mirage]

Probably misinformation

[pastel sierra]

They could nerf any spec by 10% next week

[wintry solar]

the good --> OP pipeline is really narrow it seems

[nova sinew]

it seems pretty good

in the damage area

[silk stirrup]

I'm just seeing all vids saying how strong outlaw is and outlaw rogues popping up everywhere in prepatch and beta

[nova sinew]

you can check logs to see for yourself

lot of monk tanks on beta rn for whatever reason also

thats nice for outlaw

[covert kestrel]

If you don't play outlaw you might as well uninstall the game

Everyone will point and laugh at any spec that isn't outlaw

Anyone who queues as sub or assa will have their player and battle net realid leaked to the forums where they will start a doxxing campaign to get you fired from your job

[silk stirrup]

I honestly never thought outlaw was so popular

[wintry solar]

I wouldnt be surprised if this outlaw brings a lot of people back considering how divisive DF was

[cinder relic]

Outlaw is a weirdly popular spec

It has a handful of silent fans that'll come back to it when it's op

And it's less obtuse rn so I'd expect more people to be more willing if it is tuned well

It being popular on live rn probs has more to do with the playstyle shift than actual tuning

But ppl are also main shopping rn with the expansion focusing on upending every spec in major ways

[latent oak]

the masses love slop, it is known

[quiet ore]

Also there's a great high when you have 14 matching coins and a few stacks of btte where you know you're doing like double baseline damage for a bit

I've only gotten similar dopamine from playing mistweaver in the prepatch (fistweaving is pretty fun rn), at least

[unborn moon]

would you say outlaw is the trickiest rogue spec to play?

[tender wedge]

100%

sub and assa are very basic

outlaw at least has a few procs to react to and some quick decision making still

[vivid vessel]

a grandma could play outlaw bro

[tender wedge]

yeah but a sleeping grandma could play sub or assa

not saying it's hard cuz you can woosah

[mighty pivot]

[silk stirrup]

Outlaw feels too simple and slow to me after the rework

[wintry solar]

how is it copium

im not even saying it will or wont happen

[mighty pivot]

you are implying there's a valid chance

[wintry solar]

there is

[glass mortar]

outlaw was unpopular for many iterations that were smoother then this and about as simple

rogue just an unpopular class idk

[mighty pivot]

yup

[frail veldt]

Yeah what are the log numbers looking like

Are we actually popular popular

[glass mortar]

most popular we've ever been

look at us third from the bottom

[frail veldt]

Oh...

[glass mortar]

for least parses

[mighty pivot]

everyone is coming back to play outlaw

[glass mortar]

huge popularity explosion truth nuke

[frail veldt]

That's like same as in s3 right?

[mighty pivot]

the login servers are crashing

[glass mortar]

but hey its not like nothing changed

now instead of sub competing with us to bottom the charts for parses its the most parsed rogue spec

its got sin numbers

and sin is barely double outlaw

we are catching up!!!

if they just make sin a little worse

wait on herioc sins only like 20% more parses then outlaw that spec must be GARBAGE on prepatch lmaooo

[silk stirrup]

And one of the top specs

Wtf 14k parses

[glass mortar]

right

[silk stirrup]

So many rogues in beta

Not used to those numbers

[frail veldt]

oh yeah how is outlaw looking in beta parse wise

thats gotta be high since were very well tuned

[wintry solar]

yeah man

totally top 5

trust

[mighty pivot]

(from the bottom)

[wintry solar]

also

[wintry solar]

nope

[cinder relic]

Nope

[wintry solar]

thatd be called bottom 5

[cinder relic]

Rogue is still one of the least popular classes

[frail veldt]

can you share the parse numbers @wintry solar

[wintry solar]

you mean the ones that I obviously pulled out my ass?

[frail veldt]

ah kk just wanted to make sure that was the case

[mighty pivot]

the only parse numbers popo can provide are for his borgir noming

[frail veldt]

I do kinda wonder from a design philosophy standpoint who you design around for a spec as unpopular as outlaw, it seems their approach is definitely to try to give it more mass appeal but I'm curious how that affects the popularity in the long term

[cinder relic]

Probably not, rogue has been the most unpopular class since cataclysm

[glass mortar]

people just dont like energy systems idk mmo gamers r weird

[cinder relic]

No amount of changes at this point in the games life is going to change that