outlaw

[untold wadi]

to dfs2

[cinder relic]

You aren't really doing it for the energy regen it's because holding it for a 3 is a lot of lost casts.

Kir should be probably be +1 and extend either way

[quaint mauve]

anyone having the issue where u save ur cd bar locations and they just dont save

they just go back to where they were after u exit edit mode

[frail veldt]

you have something

interfering from another addon

I have that issue when I was using nephui I think

or from dominos

or any of the other dozens of addons that control ui elements haha

[craggy barn]

if u cant identify the conflict
sometimes just adjusting things iwth arrow keys fixes it

[frail veldt]

they all overlap and interfere with eachother

I just go through and turn off other addons

until it works

then put the thing where I want it

then turn them back on

[lime lake]

[keen belfry]

Bettercooldown manager? U have to move it in edit mode, save, then edit its position using /bcm

[quaint mauve]

gahhhhhhhhh

i hate this

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[tender wedge]

addons conflicting is going to be causing so much chaos until all this settles

too many different addons doing one thing / a few things / trying to do all the things

[keen belfry]

Yeah edit mode and using cooldown manager is tricky

[tender wedge]

funnily enough i prefer more focussed addons that do one thing well than broader ones that try and do multiple things and do one poorly

so now i just manage my WAs from wowup i guess

[haughty moat]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
• Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.

[modest tiger]

when are we using KiR now?

3 or more?

[pastel sierra]

2 or morw

Unless youre on 2 and u can get loaded dice very soon to reroll to 2 or higher

[modest tiger]

gotcha and LD is from AR?

sorry been away from outlaw for a while

[haughty moat]

yes

[tender wedge]

yep

[modest tiger]

cool thanks!

so i assume on opener its AR then RtB?

and then KiR?

or do we hold

i guess if on 2 or more it makes sense to blow it in opener

[keen belfry]

This is why wangbar

[tender wedge]

i am a wangbarer

[keen belfry]

Yeah, without prep you should just KIR your first roll normally

[tender wedge]

early adopter

now make it work for shaman 😛

[keen belfry]

Wangbar has more fixes coming soon

[tender wedge]

what's in the pipeline

[haughty moat]

wooohooooo

would be cool to see the overcharged CP without having CP, for pre bladesdance for key

[keen belfry]

I’ll add this to list

[haughty moat]

sweet

[keen belfry]

Just the bug fix of ppl not seeing ui, opacity stuff, and hopefully spec profile

[tender wedge]

ah spec profile is a great next step

[haughty moat]

why would you need different profiles?

no front, just curious

[tender wedge]

well you can set a cp threshhold for colouring

[molten oasis]

Where about can I find the opener?

[tender wedge]

so fatebound can spend on 5

but trickster wants 6+

[keen belfry]

Width is a big one, I think changing width cause people’s cooldown manager differs a lot per spec

[tender wedge]

and DS was 7 for assass

[gaunt phoenix]

it's in #outlaw-faq rotation

[tender wedge]

can't wait to see a 3-icon width for sub 😂

[haughty moat]

ahhh i see, yeah makes sense, i have my cp's custom colord per count

[tender wedge]

low key huge qol imo

but don't want to manually change every time i switch hero talents etc

[haughty moat]

ye got it

[keen belfry]

Yeah, the hero talent trigger might be hard

This isn’t going to be the most robust addon ever, selfishly it was made for me so I won’t implement every feature

And it’s going to be rogue focused, or really any spec I play

[haughty moat]

i have cp 5-7 in different shades of green for this^^

[tender wedge]

hmm thought that might be the case, change by loadout seems tough

[keen belfry]

Like im unsure if talent triggers even exist

Maybe they do?

But like I said, if it’s something I don’t see myself using AND it’s a headache, I might just not implement it

[craggy barn]

exaclty why im not using wangbar

wang is selfish!

[tender wedge]

thats what i tell my wife

[craggy barn]

im just using my own fork off of senseis to do what i need since that addon isnt merging the event pull request that fixes the combo point shit

[wintry solar]

I'm gonna make an addon that turns CP into gun emojis

[lime lake]

i hope popcat combo points comes back

[wintry solar]

@mighty pivot popo=poop addon?

[sullen geode]

Is there a way to play HO?

[mighty pivot]

that's just blizzard's new damage meter

[wintry solar]

No no

For real

[mighty pivot]

what would it do

[wintry solar]

Idk, maybe when you die, a pop up happens and it says "popo=poop" and you gotta click okay

Just spitballing here

No utility whatsoever

[mighty pivot]

in order to release or accept res you have to type "popo=poop"

[wintry solar]

Hey now

That's a good idea

Is that possible?

[mighty pivot]

it should be

[wintry solar]

Interesting

[craggy barn]

u could i guess

[keen belfry]

If you want to do less dmg and feel even more incomplete as a Spec, yeah

[craggy barn]

an aoe HO build is kinda fucked

[sullen geode]

I just hate the new Outlaw, and I miss the old specc 🙁

[craggy barn]

swapping to ho doesnt really change anything

[quaint mauve]

how do i do that

i relogged in and now its where i want it

[modest tiger]

just want a sanity check of my logic here. If I have more than three stacks of opportunity, use Pistol shot as a builder, otherwise sinister strike. If I have blade rush available, use it before the next Blade Flurry. Spenders, in priority, are KS, BtE, Coup, Dispatch?

does it ever make sense to hold for 5 charges of opportunity? does fan the hammer stack?

these might be stupid questions but...

[frail veldt]

only ps at 1-3cps

for 3 stacks

[frail veldt]

opportunity only ever has 3 or 6 stacks

[modest tiger]

hmm ok

[gaunt phoenix]

not quite

If you have 6 stacks of opportunity, use it as your next builder

if you have 3 stacks of opportunity, you use it as your next builder only if you are at 3CPs or below

You maintain blade flurry in aoe. Blade rush is not "before the next blade flurry", blade flurry should just be active or not

The finisher priority is bte > ks > coup > dispatch. But your first finisher in the opener should be dispatch if slice and dice is not active, as it will activate SnD

Fan the hammer does stack. You will either have 0 stacks, or 3 stacks, or 6 stacks, nothing in between unless something dies in the middle of pressing pistol shot

[frail veldt]

#outlaw-faq has all the details if you want to read more

[gaunt phoenix]

From there you see blade flurry as a builder is higher priority than pistol shot/ss if you are in aoe

[modest tiger]

makes sense. Thanks all! 🙂

[unkempt cypress]

Doesn't apl? have a condition to not use it at 1 cp

[keen belfry]

Fatebound on beta only

[gaunt phoenix]

It's an optimization yeah

[molten oasis]

It has rotation like Prio but no opener

[gaunt phoenix]

The section below prio has "your opener will tend to be..."

[frail veldt]

All outlaw players have the same weakness

[copper radish]

I hope we all roll 4 off the start every time

[shy meteor]

quick question did anything change in the recommended talent tree? because in fuu´s spreadsheet is a different one in the AOE sims

[frail veldt]

there may be a difference between whats recommended for pre patch and whats optimal for bis gear in midnight at level 90

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[shy meteor]

the spreadsheet is for pre patch

[frail veldt]

oh let me see 1 sec

looks like just one point difference

[copper radish]

Outlaw superiority on paper >>

[frail veldt]

kir vs menacing rush

I believe theyre very close in performance

[white marten]

Is killing spree a must have in M+ or can we talent into something else without sacrificing output?

[shy meteor]

and slight

[frail veldt]

killing spree is a must for trickster

[shy meteor]

no heavy hitter

[frail veldt]

ah yeah true, I would sim yourself

see which version is better for you

and go with that

[frail veldt]

but you can totally play fatebound for m+ if you want

[white marten]

Oh true- completely forgot about the hero tree synergy

[shy meteor]

and no below "under heavy hitter" dunno the name

[frail veldt]

I would just sim both and see which one wins for you or just choose whichever you like the playstyle of

some people dont like KiR

playing with KiR does lower your variance a lot

so thats something useful to note

[fathom bramble]

anyone that has disliked KiR in the past should give it a fair shot again

it doesn't really have the same problems as before since you tend to just fire KIR on cd

[frail veldt]

its very simple now yeah

[fathom bramble]

as opposed to fishing for a 4 buffs for 10-60 seconds

[frail veldt]

miss that

cto ❤️

[white marten]

What about blade rush? Just seeing where i can reduce the number of buttons until im more comfortable with the gameplay loop

[frail veldt]

you need blade rush

well need is a strong word

but it gives us a lot of energy AND is softcapped aoe

[shy meteor]

in midnight ur t set is focused around br

[frail veldt]

also that

youre gona want to get used to blade rush

[white marten]

Is outlaw the only spec that ended up with more buttons after the “prune” ? 🤣

For sure

[frail veldt]

it doesnt have more

so no

lol

[white marten]

Thx bois 😎

[frail veldt]

it has slightly less

lost vanish lost GS

picked up blade rush

[fathom bramble]

if we actually take prep it's kind of the same number of buttons, but a lot of lost complexity in using them regardless

[white marten]

Was mostly sarcasm but as a previous HO player, it may technically be more buttons

[fathom bramble]

yeah there are some old builds that had fewer buttons than some of the new builds

[frail veldt]

still less haha

yeah you could always opt out of buttons

[fathom bramble]

like if you take kir, prep, KS, BR

[frail veldt]

you can still do that if you want

drop ks drop br drop kir etc

you can play with just rtb, ss, ps, adr, bte, and dispatch if you want

[fathom bramble]

in any case we definitely didn't get gutted to the extent that some others did

love keeping most of my buttons

[molten oasis]

Is there too much hast? Or is the Stacking of hast Crit really just keep going till Sims say no?

[tender wedge]

Not really

You’d have to crazily hard commit and it’s unlikely you’ve been doing that since none of our specs really stacked it before prepatch

[next shuttle]

Hey if we have coup and low combo points do we want to just send coup or build normally?

[molten oasis]

Yesh I’ve seen some people with “high” crit was just wondering I got 30%+ hast was like well do I bother recefting my ring away from Mastery/vers for Hast Crit and have fun with Outlaw more

[modest tiger]

do we anticipate that outlaw will be the go-to spec for any raid encounters next tier? I know its early, so don't crucify me. Just wondering what the hive mind is thinking

[tender wedge]

Only if tuned significantly higher than the other 2

[modest tiger]

because of flat damage profile?

[tender wedge]

Yep

[modest tiger]

a guy can dream

[tender wedge]

I mean are you at the cutting edge of prog?

[modest tiger]

not top 100 but on a CE team

[tender wedge]

If you like outlaw you’ll surely be fine to play it unless it’s undertuned

Always better to play what you like and are more comfy with

Well, almost always

[modest tiger]

i was saying over in the sin channel, its gonna be hard to pick because all three specs feel good

[tender wedge]

Yeah sin feels real nice too, if a bit basic

[modest tiger]

ya thats my only complaint is they dumbed it down a lot

[tender wedge]

Sin execute is juiced as well

[modest tiger]

same with sub

sub is mad easy now

[tender wedge]

I’ve never really liked sub tbh please don’t hurt me

Played it when it’s been super strong a few times but otherwise nah

[modest tiger]

i never really played whats the strongest. I play what I am best at

[tender wedge]

Unless you’re like top 0.1%ile that’s probably going to be the right play

[molten oasis]

Even at title every dps got it but 1 this session

[tender wedge]

I dislike sub so I don’t play it so I don’t get good so I feel bad playing it and dislike it

Vicious cycle

[molten oasis]

It’s more community perception if you

[modest tiger]

Like im bunz but not soggy bunz, ya know?

[tender wedge]

Nice

[molten oasis]

It’s a lot of pop CDs 1-2-1-2-1-2

[tender wedge]

Its complexity hasn’t been what put me off, I think I’ve always just felt so bad out of CDs which is just how some specs are

[latent oak]

tbf last season, dance uptime with sub was pretty high

which helped alot

[tender wedge]

Yeah I played it a bit in s3

[molten oasis]

That’s less now dance. Uptime is higher now

[tender wedge]

That’s good. But outside of dance is the damage still gutter

[molten oasis]

You basically never are out of dance lol

With high hast

Every pack you’ll have the hole pack in dance

[tender wedge]

That’s nice. Maybe I will give it some more attention

[molten oasis]

Yesh I do decent lvl keys so it lines up good but Yesh in “lower” keys then for sure may have a pack where it misses

[nova sinew]

Do yourself a favor and wait until midnight

[frail veldt]

For what

[molten oasis]

Could say the same about outlaw though

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt i made a ui

hardest thing i’ve had to do in my life

[frail veldt]

Proud of you

[wintry solar]

hmmmm

[nova sinew]

eh, i dont think the two are quite comparable but yeah outlaw is much better in midnight imo

[wintry solar]

@mighty pivot methinks my popo=poop addon is too big a task for a newbie

[strange kelp]

Honestly, I feel like sub feels the smoothest of the 3 in prepatch, it doesn't feel as energy starved as Assa/outlaw can

[nova sinew]

im not really getting starved that often as the other two

the pure amount of haste you have just seems to prevent that

[strange kelp]

I feel it in assa, but thats design

Outlaw def not as bad

But sub basically has no energy issues you just wait a few sec for dance

[nova sinew]

thats kinda new for sub tho

outlaw feels bad though because there is no gameplay to counteract running out of energy

when it happens it just happens

[strange kelp]

Yeah for sure, I'm just saying prepatch feels sub doesn't need apex as much as the others

[nova sinew]

sub it gets solved instantly whenever you press a finisher or you can pool a bit

[nova sinew]

if youre talking purely about energy sure

i think outlaw mostly plays better in midnight because you play fatebound though more than anything with apex

[copper radish]

When was the last time we had a one handed legendary wep that multiple classes can use? Would be cool to see a new legendary soon

[strange kelp]

Honestly, legendaries need to stay gone unless they make a deterministic acquisition

[wintry solar]

agi polearm leggo when?

[strange kelp]

DF axe was utter garbage

[wintry solar]

idc about aquisition, they just gotta be cool

[copper radish]

Tryna see a TF type of legendary

[strange kelp]

No cause then they balance around your spec having it

Playing UDK not having the axe felt like shit

[wintry solar]

wasnt the axe like a couple % increase?

for unholy?

[cinder relic]

HAving fucked up gear is part of what makes gear fun

[strange kelp]

It was significant

Esp because udk had gcd gaps where the on-use was really strong

[nova sinew]

man im really just hoping for an interesting rogue weapon for once, that isnt just a fist weapon once again

[strange kelp]

I hate gearing lol that's part of it, I would live on TR realms if I could

[cinder relic]

Bro wnats a pizza with nothing

[strange kelp]

Gear ain't the pizza

[nova sinew]

sometimes a man wants a cheese pizza

[strange kelp]

Gear is waiting for the delivery guy to show up

[wintry solar]

bro wants to get carried too

[cinder relic]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BG7273yDpdA

[nova sinew]

nuttin?

[cinder relic]

Hold the tomato sauce, hold the crust

[strange kelp]

You actually enjoy getting shit on by your vault every week? Lol

That's just an abusive relationship

[cinder relic]

Gear is what makes the game fun

If theres no gearing process, you are literally just pushing keys and raid logging

[wintry solar]

Zzz

[nova sinew]

ill be honest im such a hamster

[strange kelp]

Yeah I like pushing keys

[nova sinew]

i almost look forward to the logner gear grind in midnight

[strange kelp]

Push get it in, go play something else and come back next season

[wintry solar]

I actually dislike how easy it is to gear in tww

theres so much shit in my bags

[honest sparrow]

I kinda like it for playing alts. But i see the issue if your not into that

[strange kelp]

I like playing like 5 classes

Don't want to sit and gear out everything constantly

[frail veldt]

I don't like bis gearing

I love mix and matching

Legendaries feel boring cuz it's just a very clear and well defined thing and everything leading to it feels like throw away

[cinder relic]

You don't start bis gearing until months into a tier usually lol

Most of the gearing process is piecing together the best you have

[frail veldt]

I like assas stat priority

Cuz you're always mix and matching

[strange kelp]

Assa is just get every stat lol

Just leaned towards mast

[nova sinew]

being able to "finish" a character with gear is really satisfying, for me

[frail veldt]

But then you get to blend y to see which is most dps

[wintry solar]

so you just wanna sim

[strange kelp]

Guy over here acting like he doesn't occasionally vibe with just a prime cheese pizza

[modest tiger]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[craggy barn]

👀 outdated

[lime lake]

[wintry solar]

idt not having the axe is what made it feel like shit

[strange kelp]

No it was the acquisition of it

I don't care if it's hard to obtain, but rng drop chance is just not fun

[lime lake]

my ret alt was the first character in my guild to get the axe

and i had it for like two weeks before anyone else got it

[wintry solar]

its actually exactly what you said

[lime lake]

[cinder relic]

[strange kelp]

Yes, you felt bad for not having it because it was a straight upgrade and a legendary but it was a rng drop. These are not contradictory aspects

[cinder relic]

But it was a cool weapon that has a quest to unlock it n shit

Did you consider that

[strange kelp]

And you spec was balanced around the axe

Yeah so make it just a longer quest

[cinder relic]

Specs are balanced around having trinkets also worth 3-6% damage

that are also RNG drops

JS

[lime lake]

fyralath brought us that clip of the guy costing his guild race for world last by using the active and getting hit with seed

so its a great item

[strange kelp]

They also drop from your vault, can be bought with dinars, and don't cost millions of gold in crafting?

[cinder relic]

Dinars take literal months before coming out

[strange kelp]

How does that change it?

[cinder relic]

Because the fyrak weapon had BLP

You would get it, eventually

[strange kelp]

It still took people months

Even doing it every week

[cinder relic]

I didn't have mythic trinkets that tier for months

that's just the bideo game

[strange kelp]

Yeah and you can say you don't like something in a video game lol

That doesn't mean game sucks

It just means "this is lame"

[unkempt cypress]

What if dinars could be acquired though m+ to buy raid tinkets any season

[cinder relic]

and I just disagree

[strange kelp]

And that's fine? Lmao

[cinder relic]

yep

[strange kelp]

I never had beef with you disliking it

Or at all

[strange kelp]

I mean this happened in DF and it was the most popular dinars have been

[unkempt cypress]

Think i played more chars than ever that season

[gaunt phoenix]

df s4

remember dreadplate

[unkempt cypress]

Grieftorch was great

[pastel sierra]

i love blizzard so much 🙂

[random stirrup]

I think this is extra funny given guy's history with vaults

[quaint mauve]

i miss weakauras

[random stirrup]

i love the gear prog too, and while I hate vault rng it's also such a thing to look forward to every week. it's only cringe when you need one item from m+ or something

[tender wedge]

you still have weakauras

you just have to download them one by one ❤️

[upper surge]

I actually think the longer gearing is super healthy for the game

Especially heroic crests

[vivid vessel]

fuck you larias

you want me to tell whispyr you linked your doc again ?

i will do it bro

@upper surge

i will

[upper surge]

-_-

[vivid vessel]

ye

dont mess with me bud

[nova sinew]

i definitely dont like heroic gear being useless

that at the minimum is a nice change

[upper surge]

It is

[vivid vessel]

its not

[upper surge]

It's also a very slight increase in player power

Because those heroic pieces keep growing

[vivid vessel]

let me get full gear so i can start playing the game

you litteraly cannot do m+

before being full gear

so

let me get full gear

so i can play wow

[upper surge]

Zac your gear is relatiev to everyone elses

so

you're at full gear if everyone else is at your gear level too

[vivid vessel]

no

[upper surge]

yes

[vivid vessel]

cause doing keys when you know in 3 weeks you will do +3 key level just cause of gear

isnt fun

[upper surge]

yeah but no one cares about the mini game

[vivid vessel]

i mean its still the thing that is most played in wow

between raid

and pvp

[dawn talon]

i mean ngl dude the game is designed for you to play both

[vivid vessel]

and m+

so

[dawn talon]

they actively state they dgaf about people who only want to play keys

[upper surge]

And I dgaf about anyone who only wants to play keys 😉

[vivid vessel]

never said i only wanted to play keys lol

[upper surge]

m+ is a distraction

[vivid vessel]

i just want to be full gear

early

so i can do keys

instead of playing keys one week a season cause you are never full gear

[upper surge]

play on the ptr cycle keys

dont play live

i solved your issue zac yw

[dawn talon]

ok but for the vast vast majority of the playerbase

raiding when ur full gear

sucks

[vivid vessel]

i just mean

once you full clear 2/3 times

you should be full gear

the vast majority of the playerbase does not do that anywya

[cinder relic]

My account is literally bugged

It has been all of TWW

[molten oasis]

What do you mean bugged?

[tender wedge]

bad loot seed

[cinder relic]

When I open the vault its always a bad item

[empty pollen]

is it even worth it to go raiding as outlaw?

I can´t stand myself to play sub rogue with their lame ass rotations

[gaunt phoenix]

historically, if you are going for CE, you probably want to multispec

but i mean a few ppl in here play outlaw as much as they can get away with

[tender wedge]

We’ve just had a generationally bad-for-outlaw raid outside of one boss though

But usually you’re fine

[buoyant cosmos]

Drewtile held it down

Am I the only BTE tumbleweed hater?

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it's more funny than not

[wintry solar]

I lowkey dont even notice it more than half the time but when I do I think its funny

random ass tumbleweed lol

[unkempt cypress]

I get a good chuckle every time i see it haha

Puts me in a lil better mood 🙂

[buoyant cosmos]

It's more outlaw than pirate, that's for sure

It just now clicked why it's there, I was still thinking they were shoehorning the pirate stuff from legion.

[wintry solar]

I wish

[untold wadi]

arrr

[wintry solar]

[ocean lodge]

don't worry zac

I agree with you

[quaint mauve]

is that a killer instincts character as ur pfp

[ocean lodge]

It's a Yautja mask.

[keen belfry]

guys my bios is version 3 and version 39 is out

is that bad

[vivid vessel]

update it then noob

[keen belfry]

i think its causing my mic to surge

but i dont have a usb!

actually i do

[proven ocean]

make sure ur pc doesnt turn off while updating ur bios

otherwise

[keen belfry]

fine

[proven ocean]

ur gonna have some fireworks in ur house

ur pc is gonna explode ur house might burn

jk

it might just not turn on again i think idk never seen it before tho

[ocean lodge]

i don't usually update bios unless there's a reason to

[keen belfry]

same

[ocean lodge]

I have a 13900 so I had to

lol

[tender wedge]

Samesies

Now I have to deal with the pop up to update again

[keen belfry]

but my mic was surging my USB ports, so i got a new mic and a usb hub, 2 days later same issues

so

[ocean lodge]

waow

[tender wedge]

But there’s no update for my bios

[ocean lodge]

get a new board fuck the bios

[tender wedge]

So that’s cool

[keen belfry]

im gonna try bios first it hnk, then ill bring it to microcenter tomorrow if no luck

[ocean lodge]

have at it

[whole storm]

hey guys, any1 got tracker for BF, BTE stacks, and RTB?

[tender wedge]

Default blizz tracks all those

[whole storm]

but they get mixed up with all the other buffs

[vivid vessel]

cooldown manager cuh

[dire skiff]

I have my RTB and BF on the bar tracker. Seems to be working decently for me so far.

[keen belfry]

updating bios didnt fix usb surge

hmmm!

[fathom bramble]

no

should be a glyph

[whole storm]

what do u mean? i play on the normal UI from wow itself, never tried WA, or any other addons. now i got a decent PC, so i wanna try these things

[vivid vessel]

cooldown manager

go into settings

type that

top right

activate it

[whole storm]

alright ill check it, thx man

[hasty warren]

Hi pitates

[hardy thicket]

Unfortunate timing because you can no longer use WAs

[sullen geode]

do I need to hit 30% haste as outlaw?

[whole storm]

i heard yea, but i still see ppl got UI for tracking or am i mistaken ?

[fossil lintel]

That's the cooldown manager, best you can get now are add-ons for skinning it

[whole storm]

i see, u know some addons to suggest ?

[fossil lintel]

Arcui

[young hull]

can you track poisons with arcui ? I just dl it and cant find Instant Poison

[hasty warren]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[hasty warren]

there is easy reminder for that I think

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1445869457787457627.webp?size=96&animated=true

[young hull]

Ye i was hoping for something inside CDM since EasyReminders is outside of instances , maybe someone find a way someday, ty !

[cinder haven]

Remembering to apply poisons is skill expression and having a reminder for that is clearly an unfair advantage

Has overlay applications started popping up yet?

[dusk sparrow]

Ive played “new” outlaw in this pre-patch mostly on 6 target dummys and I feel like im running out of energy quite often, has anyone noticed something similar ?

[weary goblet]

You definitely wanna be playing with tea and blade rush, that's for sure

ive had more energy issues on WW than Outlaw though

[gaunt phoenix]

With >30% haste as suggested you shouldn't run out of energy all that often

It happens when you are stuck with 1 buff and no tea

It does happen but idk i wouldn't say often

[livid pewter]

i feel more like outlaw lost his real magic i cant channel my adhd into this spec anymore

[cunning swan]

subway surfers on 2nd monitor bro

[mighty pivot]

why? who did you pay to work on it?

tob is back

[torpid fiber]

Get into rhythm games

[fathom whale]

oi does outlaw get better with the alpha or beta talents whatever they are called

the 3 new ones down the bottom

or does it not change much at all

[gaunt phoenix]

it helps with energy a bit

[lavish siren]

yeah you can feel how bad it is to roll 1 buff

[hazy abyss]

How can I track on cooldown manager with rtb buff I have

[granite merlin]

hey anyone pretty good with arc ui im trying to customize my ui a bit and im making bars next to my char to track cooldowns does anyone know if it's possible to make the border change at like 2 seconds left or something or flash or anything?

dont mind the messy icons i havent got them set yet ;o

the blizzard ui ones flash pandemic

nm i find a work around

[long barn]

@gaunt phoenix - for beta are we going fate or trick atm. I can’t tell between the pins. Maybe I’m misreading it.

[gaunt phoenix]

Fate

[formal yarrow]

hey guys, this happened to any of u ?

[cinder relic]

lol

[formal yarrow]

F

I even update throug curseforge but still

reinstasll and nothing

[cinder relic]

weakauras dont work anymore

[formal yarrow]

A?

now what

[cinder relic]

A big part of midnight is blizzard actively nerfing addons

Weakauras were really OP so they got nerfed, and then the devs didn't want to update it so if you want similar things you need different addons

[formal yarrow]

F

Big L

[wintry solar]

OUTLAW!!!

[tender sedge]

bro i thought mbappe was joking

but he is actually serious

[exotic gale]

he is kinda right though.

how hard can it be to nuke boss wa but leave personal resource wa

[tender sedge]

oh yeah for sure. but i thought he was trolling when he showed picture of weakaura addon not compatible anymore

[mighty pivot]

not hard, but they wanted to nerf automation of gameplay too. So they killed both

[livid pewter]

im gettin there holy cow this is so much effort to track anything

[cloud imp]

which rogue spec is currently looking the best in beta for keys :o

is it outlaw or sub

[cinder relic]

either seem strong atm

[cloud imp]

hmm i see i see

then strong guess that outlaw will be the best towards the end unless tuning happens

as sub always falls off hard in higher keys 😭

[cinder relic]

They could also just nerf outlaw by 10%+ on a random week, nobody knows yk

Balance on launch is random, and it continues to be random with balance they do through the season

But as of now, on beta, both sub and outlaw seem strong

[copper radish]

any1 else liking better CDM over arc ui? built in resource bar feels just as good as sensei too

[gaunt phoenix]

I just needed something to track trinkets so yeah

[strange kelp]

Sub performed very well last season even in high keys. Most people were playing sub other then our GOAT Zac

[livid pewter]

guess depends on what you need tho, but elvui with windtools plugin + arcui for cdm works giga fine

[strange kelp]

I honestly just put an action bar and hide unused slots to track trinkets. It's not the best but it works

[south scaffold]

guys, how hard is it to play outlaw optimally in the beta in raids and in m+?

[cinder relic]

its fairly easy compared to what its been for the past 2 years

[fallow fractal]

so stat prio states Crit > Haste but BiS gear is still old bis ?

[upbeat tide]

!chainpull

[vivid vessel]

i mean sub was better in s3

[livid pewter]

its also pretty free to configurate it on arcui, also with auto swapping on trinkets

[hasty warren]

I'm the only one having character put below on the screen when I mount up ?

[upbeat tide]

hello does !chainpull command not work?

[gaunt phoenix]

there was never such a command for Outlaw

[cloud imp]

oh thought outlaw ended up doing higher keys

probably tweakin

[gusty pagoda]

it's so fun to need like 5 addons for something a single copy paste WA could do

thanks so much blizzard

[frail veldt]

other way around

[honest sparrow]

No you are right. And Zac was the number 1 rogue and was on outlaw. But that doesn't mean outlaw was stronger.

[frail veldt]

outlaw historically has some very dedicated players in m+ with teams who will force it despite its issues so often gets in some high keys

despite it barely beating the tank in a lot of pulls

mechanically outlaw just doesnt bring to the table what is often needed in a lot of high keys which is prio damage, strong cds, and good scaling aoe

[patent mirage]

if rogue could use some utility that would be an aoe stun

[dim widget]

na

just give me 10000020425 dps

and ill be fine

[cloud imp]

i see i see

thanks for the clarification

[dim widget]

dont act like you dont want it 😏

[patent mirage]

would prefer some utility over degen gameplay

[fierce yarrow]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[keen belfry]

wangbar has ace3 libs now nbd

[livid pewter]

kinda ye, but im running elvui + arcui there is like nothing else u need to get all the stuff u can get

[fierce yarrow]

short questions regarding those are we just getting a list of addons or also some profiles?

[gaunt phoenix]

No cdm profiles yet, would like to at some point

[fierce yarrow]

okay and what exactly is it at the end of the wowhead guide at "UI and Makros"?

[vivid vessel]

I mean its just cause there is 2 outlaw one trick

other than that there is no rogue players

so the 2 outlaw one trick with teams ended up r1 and r2 of the ladder

there is no competition

sub is still better tho

[gaunt phoenix]

the wowhead author put his cdm import

[fierce yarrow]

okay then I did understand it correctly it just doesnt let me import it in the game 😄

[cinder relic]

Why isn't it working

I've updated it thrice now

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

[fierce yarrow]

it´s supposed to be an import for Cooldown Manager from the game itself right? as a new "layout"

[livid pewter]

everyone is like building and strugglin with their ui kinda so there will be more in the next few weeks for sure

[fierce yarrow]

yeah I get that I´m one of them 😄 but thats not really the question, I was just asking if I´m doing it wrong or is it really not working

[livid pewter]

ye same ^^ thats why i spent all day to finally be done with my own one

[keen belfry]

when enhance presses lightning shield it applies their other 3 buffs, must be nice..

[fierce yarrow]

I just want my UI pack back 🙁 its so long ago that I made one myself I dont want anymore xD

[frail veldt]

I would wager since its happened to multiple people theres an issue with blizzard

were still in alpha for this whole new UI thing so theres gona be a lot of bugs

[fierce yarrow]

yeah I´m totally fine with bugs and all I just wanted to know if its me or not 😄

[frail veldt]

could try disabling all addons and importing

[keen belfry]

my unbiased rec, download wangbar and bettercooldown manager, then go afk

[frail veldt]

yeah but you still gotta set those up haha

thats the step hes trying to avoid

[fierce yarrow]

exactly 😄

I´m to used to quazzi and Wa packs <.<

[frail veldt]

blizz wanted to make it easier to get started without addons

[keen belfry]

bcm takes 0 setup, wangbar takes 1 min of setup and is very easy. whoever made wangbar ui did agood job

[frail veldt]

but we ended up with the opposite haha

setup your cdm takes time

picking what goes where

how it aligns with your unit frames

etc

[fierce yarrow]

yeah especially if you didnt play for 1-3 months and now come back and want to setup 2 chars and 3 specs -.-*

[frail veldt]

yeaaah

the days of logging into a new spec, importing a wa pack, and going straight into a key are gone lol

at least for now

[fierce yarrow]

I actually wanted to test more of my chars but I can´t be bothered to do that 5 times or more xD

[frail veldt]

maybe someone will come out with a UI manager addon that supports a fleet of addons and manages all their import codes in a combined way

[frail veldt]

yeah thats the spot im in, I want to test some alts but I dont want to deal with the UI

[keen belfry]

not trying to be blizzard shill but this took me 30 seconds to make, granted ive done a lot of UI stuff throughout prepatch but i literally enabled bcm, disabled their power bars, used wangbar, made it bigger

default bcm

[frail veldt]

are you not tracking bladeflurry buff?

[long barn]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[frail veldt]

or rtb? buff?

youre also missing cloak and evasion

need more than 30s haha

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe i should just list the buffs you need to track

[frail veldt]

that might be good

[vivid vessel]

no

[frail veldt]

like just describe what a "good" baseline ui tracks

[vivid vessel]

just give them a default cdm profile

[frail veldt]

to help people get set up

[frail veldt]

the imports arent working though it sounds like

isnt that what guy did?

[vivid vessel]

guy is getting skill issued

[frail veldt]

im wagering its a blizzard skill issue

[keen belfry]

i am

[vivid vessel]

you can have sound on ps ?

[gaunt phoenix]

on beta

[keen belfry]

it only procs on first proc

if u go from 3-6 it no make sound

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

nooooooooooooooooo

[gaunt phoenix]

Lol

[frail veldt]

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

how are they so inept man

[vivid vessel]

thats what i thought

its all good guys

[vivid vessel]

i told you

its possible to make an addon for that

[keen belfry]

i was trying

[vivid vessel]

i will just make my weak aura an addon by midnight

[keen belfry]

its cursed

[vivid vessel]

if we dont have weak aura back

its not cursed i alraedy did it on beta

its fine

[keen belfry]

make one

rn

[vivid vessel]

i told you

its a weak aura rn

[long barn]

Do it

[vivid vessel]

i would rather wait

maybe someone fork a weak aura thing

[keen belfry]

id rather u stfu

[vivid vessel]

to share small scripts like that

cause its cringe to have 50 addons

[fierce yarrow]

wasnt it confirmed that echo is creating or already has a weakaura clone? and its allowed by blizz cause its echo?

[vivid vessel]

bro

weak aura

is not outlawed

[fierce yarrow]

yeah just outdated

[vivid vessel]

its just that 90% of the fonctionallity doesnt work

so they didnt want to updted it

its not illegal to make a updated version of weak aura

striped down

to only thinmgs that works

and to update some stuffs to work

its just a lot of work

im expecting someone to do it eventually tho

so

[fierce yarrow]

well whats illegal or not is up to blizz and can be changed any day

which is why nobody is putting in a lot of work atm I guess

[vivid vessel]

not really

we know their intent

they stopped restricting stuffs quite a long time ago already

they just allow more nowadays

[fierce yarrow]

yeah and they are known to never change there mind in 20 years right?

[vivid vessel]

they would change it the opposite way rather prolly

[fierce yarrow]

I hope so big times

🙂

[frail veldt]

not really how it works

blizz doesnt explicitly name addons in "legal" or "not legal"

they change the underlying system that addons communicate with the game through

[fierce yarrow]

I know they just lock what the addon needs to run

[frail veldt]

WA chose to lock itself down

in fact WA has code in it that checks for the existence of the midnight version of th egame and intentional doesnt load the addon

you can comment that out if youd like

[keen belfry]

i think i want a cd manager, a resource addon, and a buff addon

[frail veldt]

and get WA to load

it just doesnt really function

so yeah liquid is almost certainly using some version of WA for stuff

it would be crazy not to

[fierce yarrow]

I mean they have money to actually hire programmers and get it done with them

[frail veldt]

yeah they have had a dedicated WA person for a while afaik

[fierce yarrow]

makes sense yeah

guess I will just have to make a UI like I did back 14 years ago 😄

[vivid vessel]

honestly

imma just keep using weak aura i think

i kinda cba

[fierce yarrow]

can someone share me good addons for: actionbars, bags, settings-bar und chat, I just can´t look at those 20 year old shit bars <.<

[vivid vessel]

baganator

action bar idk if you need an addon nowadays

[frail veldt]

dominos

[vivid vessel]

ye but why

[frail veldt]

wym

[fierce yarrow]

that one I have 🙂

[frail veldt]

cant even hide them default

[pastel sierra]

i hide em with enhanceQOL

[frail veldt]

yep need an addon either way

[vivid vessel]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/mouseover-action-settings-automtic-ui-fader

i use this to hide

[pastel sierra]

and also do unit frames and quest automation and some other shit with the same addon

[vivid vessel]

but its better than having an entire addon that changes the bars imo

cause its not needed anymore

[frail veldt]

I use dominos to move a lot of other ui elements

[vivid vessel]

i do wish blizzard werent so stupid

[vivid vessel]

hm

like what

[frail veldt]

everything

[vivid vessel]

i feell like i can move everything already

[frail veldt]

where achievements pop up

loot pop up

floating head

[vivid vessel]

but thats in the edit mode no ?

i can move all of that aswell

[frail veldt]

kind of

[pastel sierra]

yeah advanced edit mode

just gotta tick the boxes

[frail veldt]

I havent found the baseline edit mode to work well for me in the past so I just run dominos

and I Like making the bars more compact

[vivid vessel]

hm

[frail veldt]

dominos has better anchroing than blizz edit mode

[vivid vessel]

idk

[frail veldt]

blizz still cant figure out how to snap in a non shit way

[vivid vessel]

i dont like relying on bar addon

cause it changes how the bars behave

[fierce yarrow]

is there a way to activate X-Y stuff in blizz edit? cause I cant find it

[frail veldt]

nope

not afaik

[vivid vessel]

if you cant use the addon suddenly

you are fucked

like on ptr etc

[frail veldt]

oh like hotkeys you m ean?

p sure its preserved

[vivid vessel]

hotkeys stays but

[frail veldt]

I can play with the addon turned off its just bars everywhere haha

[vivid vessel]

bars position

[frail veldt]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

and like order of buttons and shit

[vivid bramble]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[vivid vessel]

its all over the place

[frail veldt]

sure yeah I get you

[vivid vessel]

so its annoying if you get on ptr or beta

and the addon doesnt work

[frail veldt]

I used bartender before but it stopped working

that was nice cuz I could have spec specific profiles

for when I was learning a spec

and would have some bars visible

instead of having to go into edit mode each time and try to adjust stuff

its a tradeoff though

baseline edit mode still is just not great

[jovial sedge]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Resources:

• ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
• WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
• MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
• Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
  Misc:
• Mute Cold Blood sound
• EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances

[keen belfry]

zac can u add profiling to wangbar

ty

[vivid vessel]

no one cares about that bro

[keen belfry]

says you

i think it owuld be nice to have differing width per spec

bro cant even make a ps addon

[vivid vessel]

ah

[proven ocean]

zac

suck my cow

[vivid vessel]

i thought you meant

profiling

like

[keen belfry]

why would u think i meant profiling i typed profiling

[vivid vessel]

ressource profiling you know

[keen belfry]

oh yeah no

[frail veldt]

ew

[vivid vessel]

i was like

tf you mean no one cares bro

[keen belfry]

i just want to save settings on a per spec basis

[vivid vessel]

y

[keen belfry]

i added spec checker last night

gonna find out how to get all settings and just save that way

[vivid vessel]

legit just copy paste a page per spec

no one cares

you dont want your addon to be for every class anyway or

just make something dirty like that

no one cares no cap

[keen belfry]

i think thats better than dynamically updating width of your thing cause addons like arcui have different widths ya know?

[keen belfry]

yeah its gonna just be for classes i play

adding enhance stuff eventually

[vivid vessel]

i think if your addon doesnt dinammically adjust width based on the cdm

your addon is dead in the water mate

[keen belfry]

u thnk so lil bro bro?

im gonna go to microcenter, need anything?

[vivid vessel]

nah im good ty

[keen belfry]

kk

[strange kelp]

I need you to play all of my classes then, thx

[deep python]

are you able to loaded dice into a jackpot?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[deep python]

it seems like sometimes its putting me back to 2

[proven ocean]

u can load my dice if u want

wait

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not +1 from the previous roll

[proven ocean]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

it's +1 to whatever random roll you were about to get

so you will still "randomly" get 2 3 4

just not 1

[deep python]

sorry the tool tip sucks

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

sleight of hand is worse, legit dont know what it does

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry look

i anchored a weak aura to "EssentialCooldownViewer"

then i can get the width of the cdm like that

easy enough no

you can do it too

i told you use devtool

its op

⁨DevTool:AddData(var, "My local var")⁩ like this

[livid pewter]

to much coding for my braincells

[vivid vessel]

there is no coding

legit just

its offered to you

wang

dont be a noob

[livid pewter]

there is no coding either

[vivid vessel]

kinda nice

[livid pewter]

nobody is playin with such an ui like me feels like, so im pretty much forced to do it on my own

[frank finch]

chat gpt is for this

[frail veldt]

can you explain your cp coloring lol

[livid pewter]

thast the only problem i have haha windtools is doin that... and i cant change it sadly

[frail veldt]

whats windtools

[frank finch]

i need a legend for like half of the stuff in ur ui

[livid pewter]

elvui plugin

[livid pewter]

like i said - im used to it forever, i never played with any weakaura weakaura presets or smth

[frank finch]

i like how it looks tho

different

now lwt me get that xport code

now

🔫

[livid pewter]

please no weapons 🙁

[keen belfry]

Show how

[vivid vessel]

bro

[frail veldt]

what did you use to use for tracking your buffs?

[vivid vessel]

this is how you put a variable in devtool

thne you do /devtool to open the window

and you can click click click on things

to see

and as i said

[keen belfry]

I’m driving rn

[livid pewter]

Elvui mainly for UI (in combination with windtools plugin) + ArcUi for the cdm weakaura lookin thingis

[vivid vessel]

using fstack i know that EssentialCooldownViewer is the cdm frame thing

[frail veldt]

I mean before midnight

[vivid vessel]

and using devtool like so DevTool:AddData(EssentialCooldownViewer , "My local var")

i can see there is a function that is simplty getWidth

now you prolly need to subscribe to an event that happen when cdm is updated

figure it out

you are the addon maker

not me

[keen belfry]

Wangbar would be huge if it just loaded in dame width

Same

[vivid vessel]

yes yes

[proven ocean]

Wtf is awangbar

[livid pewter]

nvm i fixed it
Blue = supercharger stacks
grey = empty
yellow = 1-5 CP's
dark orange = 6-7 CP's (finisher)

[craggy barn]

wang has a bar, ross

[frank finch]

so i assume it changes to 5+ cp dark orange for fb?

[livid pewter]

its custom set - not a weakaura

[nova sinew]

with menacing rush, is it worth it to hold bte for 1 finisher when adr is ~10s and you have gravedigger >=6?

seems like you either waste combo points from adr or delay adr if not

[white marten]

is there an HO build somewhere out in the wild ?

[inland acorn]

Ho is presumed dead for now

[frail veldt]

you can always take the talents if you want

its just pre patch

[gaunt phoenix]

remove 2 heavy hitter

[gaunt phoenix]

you can do it, it doesn't seem to move the sim average dps, perhaps because it doesnt happen often enough, so can't exactly prove it bad or good

[white marten]

would i also need audacity?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah need audacity and HO

[keen belfry]

It’s wangbar

[low glade]

!awangui

[thick vigil]

wangbawr

[keen belfry]

Baw widda baw

[narrow elm]

Wangbarnium leviosa

[tender wedge]

It’s for the people

[sullen geode]

Any chance that HO is coming back?

[covert kestrel]

In season 1 unlikely, but tuning can always change and future tier sets might "re-enable" HO

[frail veldt]

they could make it our go to build with literally one tuning pass

its not impossible

it all plays the same

it just needs a little boost and it could prob outweigh heavy hitter

[sullen geode]

Man I am so Disappointed with this Outlaw "Rework"
Specc is for me completly dead

[vivid vessel]

welcome to the champion club

[keen belfry]

i like the champion club meme

ok time to look at what zac sent me

with his stupid thing

[dawn talon]

@keen belfry rengar on this patch is just not balanced

[keen belfry]

i think hes just like last season

easily fucked

but also easily fcking u

[keen belfry]

i dont think this works with arcui btw

i have it working with base cdm nbd

[civic zephyr]

i need some adive

what am i supposed to do when i roll the bones and get One of a Kind

[frail veldt]

roll again when rtb is off cd

[civic zephyr]

because whenever i get it, i rarely ever get opportunity procs ad it ravafes my energy

[frail veldt]

yep

thats by design

[civic zephyr]

what do i do until RtB is off cooldown?

[inland meteor]

log out

[frail veldt]

nothing

just do the rotation as normal

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[frail veldt]

but slower lol

[civic zephyr]

cuz dps'ing normally consumed all 3 thistle tea and when i do get a decent buff it feels awful cuz no energy

[frail veldt]

yeah thats just kinda how the spec works now

how much haste do you have

[civic zephyr]

rn hardly anything im still in the process of gearing, my stats are abysmal

not good lmao

[frail veldt]

oh yeah that def hurts a lot

in pre patch you want like 30%

[civic zephyr]

30%? i see

wowhead article sais around 22% iirc but i'll see what i can do

12% is way too low

😭

[frail veldt]

22% is for fatebound in midnight at level 90

in pre patch as trickster you want closer to 30% if you dont want to deal with energy issues

[civic zephyr]

i seee

thanks for advice i now have understanding

[cinder relic]

Where?

[keen belfry]

arcui compatability LETS GO

[gaunt phoenix]

Why do you track coup

[dusk sparrow]

I am, but as @gaunt phoenix said below, probably casue my haste is only at 16% at moment

[keen belfry]

ui uniformity

[gentle sky]

is there any addon that remid you to take poisons on ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Easyreminders will show if they expire outside of instances

Otherwise you just kinda have to habitually reapply them until some solution is found

[keen belfry]

solo u think there will be no coup minmaxxing at all?

[gaunt phoenix]

No it's not doing anything

[keen belfry]

damn

the cdr felt good for BTE, but maybe not crazy worth getting more coups out

like my rule was press coup at any combo point

[fair iron]

so cool kids still running arc right, but what's the consensus on uuf vs msuf

[keen belfry]

arc and better cooldown manager are both as good

arcui ui is kinda cringe and require s alot of work, u can kinda plug and play with bcm

but arcui has good customizing

[copper radish]

Better cdm clears

[fair iron]

holy jesus yeah arcui config is ass

[gaunt phoenix]

Arc is wack but can also do wacky things

[fair iron]

yeah i'm tempted to struggle, but yeesh

[nova sinew]

could rtb be held if adr is about to come up? feels really awful to 1 roll into adr for half the duration

[keen belfry]

static positions for buffs is so giga tho

its why i use arcm

but its a lot to setup

[copper radish]

Was buggy as hell for me all the time. No more with better cdm lol

[ripe ibex]

wait

this actually looks good

[keen belfry]

mhm

wangbar is powering up

[ripe ibex]

i haven’t even logged in yet

how much work will i have to do to make ui useable

[keen belfry]

not much if u use bcm

this is on beta, 2 addons and like 30 seconds of setup

@ripe ibex

[strange kelp]

Maybe hes talking about this?

The BIS gear also says Haste until 17-20%

[frail veldt]

Coup is so weak now that flawless form stacks work different

@keen belfry do you know how to track fazed but instead of on nameplates have it in the cdm anchors

So it shows fazed up or not on target

[keen belfry]

is it a buff in cdm

[strange kelp]

Ah, yeah it does say 22% lol

its got 3 diff haste values

[lethal oak]

@frail veldt Safi says hello and that i need to learn from you

[frail veldt]

Hahahahaa how's it goin

Outlaw is a lot more intuitive in midnight def more approachable than before

I might be like Safi and end up switching mains but we'll see what calls to me

[cinder relic]

What page is this

Too many different pages needing stat breakdowns I missed a few