but goes about it differently from being a fallback
#outlaw
fathom bramble
stuck patrol
I know what you mean yeah
fathom bramble
it makes running out of energy the goal
stuck patrol
Point being, there's a clear design to how energy is supposed to work with that ability
fathom bramble
for sure
stuck patrol
With rogue specs it's usually just "you can't play"
fathom bramble
energy management just becomes you can't cast sometimes
stuck patrol
It's why I've always like sin to a certain point because it feels better waiting on energy when you are choosing to wait on it to do more damage
fathom bramble
I think sin had a decent version of this a few years back where you would clip every elaborate planning window as closely as possible
and as soon as you failed to clip a windwo you pooled for another chain of clipping
stuck patrol
I think sin had a decent version of this a few years back where you would clip e...
That was a fun iteration for sure
I'm still not sure how Midnight sin will work, I haven't been able to test it on beta
And we don't have apex talents yet in prepatch
fathom bramble
idk it seems like they were going for that kind of elaborate planning thing
I hardly tried it, but apparently it doesn't really pan out like that
stuck patrol
That's what it seems to be, but I'm the kind of learner where I have to do it before I understand it
Reading about it, idk how it works
ebon reef
i have a question about the opener - whats the purpose of dispatch being there as a spender instead of KS/BtE? is it something related to keeping stacks of zero in, or is it related to something else
fathom bramble
dispatch applies slice and dice
ebon reef
fuck
fathom bramble
which greatly amplifies AA damage
fathom bramble
if you have snd active from a previous fight in like M+
you can just go straight to BTE/ks
stuck patrol
Slave to snd
ebon reef
i just completely went brain afk and forgot snd is even a thing
stuck patrol
We do so much auto damage now
ebon reef
We do so much auto damage now
point and click adventure
stuck patrol
I wonder if that makes disarm not as strong in pvp against outlaw
gaunt phoenix
stuck patrol
Like yeah we can't use abilities but we are still punching and main gauching really fast
fathom bramble
surely AA damage goes down when you have no weapons on
ebon reef
oopsie doozie
keen belfry
interesting
fathom bramble
like how paladins lose block/armor with no shield on
ebon reef
kinda wondered what happened to it
fathom bramble
from disarm
jolly geyser
i might have forgotten this
why is snd a thing
gaunt phoenix
1 minute
stuck patrol
surely AA damage goes down when you have no weapons on
What if I have big fists and I'm built different
granite merlin
but goes about it differently from being a fallback
I effing love feral rotation right now
It’s everything I wish sub was lol I just can’t bring myself to play a cat with no xmogs
frail veldt
Does hero make it harder for you as feral to hit the energy threshold for chomp?
stuck patrol
Does hero make it harder for you as feral to hit the energy threshold for chomp?
LMAO
granite merlin
Chomp effing trucks and their blink attack is siiiiiiiiiick
stuck patrol
I didn't think of that
frail veldt
chomp is like BtEs jacked big brother
granite merlin
Fr
frail veldt
900% ap and triple crit damage
fathom bramble
Does hero make it harder for you as feral to hit the energy threshold for chomp?
it would at least a bit
frail veldt
2700% ap in a crit
fathom bramble
but they also dump all energy on prepull to cast it immediately
granite merlin
Mfer am I going to end up playing feral
frail veldt
thats like 10 dispatches
stuck patrol
Once again, the rogue copy gets more love than rogue
granite merlin
Please no
frail veldt
but they also dump all energy on prepull to cast it immediately
do they like power shift for this?
how do they dump
stuck patrol
how do they dump
They pull out they portopotty
pastel sierra
keen belfry
1 minute
is the whole reasoning behind this just, u might not dispatch for a while = no snd
which is bad cuz autos
gaunt phoenix
yerp
keen belfry
makes cents
frail veldt
need otto
keen belfry
and dollars
frail veldt
you silly goose
gaunt phoenix
sandbagging outlaw
frail veldt
the great conspiracy
secret apl for 10% more damage comes out after first balance patch
gaunt phoenix
yeah.
frail veldt
daaaamn really?
keen belfry
its just
you cant drop menacing anymore
and no summarily dispatched seems bad considering 100% BTE uptime with apex
capstones are in competition with SS 10% proc chance, acro, summarily dispatched, AR talents, zeroin, grand melee, and fth
good luck dropping any of those
keen belfry
yeah 20% seems good
gaunt phoenix
you do get cucked if you cant maximize AR globals though
keen belfry
i wish we could take prep in aoe
i also wish prep died in explosion
of epic intensity
just make heavy shitter and ace 1 talent pointers
like what we doin here
stuck patrol
I still don't understand why they won't make ace 1 point
I feel like realz wants us to suffer
craggy barn
nah i did that
stuck patrol
nah i did that
WOW
keen belfry
solo theres gotta be some gain around AR + apex
like making sure AR is on CD if u know u have BTE reset coming
hasty void
I know it's not optimal, but do we know how much of a loss it would be to pop AR on cool down instead of waiting until you're at low combo points?
Like if I macro'd it onto Dispatch or some shit so it should refill my combo points after I spend them, how much of a loss should I expect over separating the keybind?
gaunt phoenix
pretty minimal, like under <0.5% expected loss over time to just slam AR
tho that macro will use AR before dispatch
hasty void
even if you do /cast dispatch /cast adrenaline rush?
gaunt phoenix
yeah, cause AR is not on the global, and you are most likely hitting dispatch during the spell queue so it doesnt go off instantly, but AR will
keen belfry
i need solo to tlel me everyhting is gonna be okay in midnight
hasty void
so maybe just slam it on sin strike I guess, if I do it at all. Thanks!
keen belfry
shizuka i strongly suggest not having AR on dispatch
like, there are going to be moments where u simply want to sit on AR
especially in thngs like m+
keen belfry
help it gain some wrinkles
train it
like pressing AR as a pack is dying will troll u so hard in m+
and u brain might be smooth, but your heart will ache more
when did they add prep to cds on beta?
lime lake
wtf
hasty void
fair enough, I'll keep at it. Honestly this isn't all that complicated, I just hate that all of our cooldowns are glorified maintainence buffs. I'd love to set it and forget it
lime lake
awang is a poet
keen belfry
fair enough, I'll keep at it. Honestly this isn't all that complicated, I just h...
u dont even have to track AR uptime IMO, just its CD. only thing to track is your RTB, pistol shots, loaded dice, and blade furry
keen belfry
awang is a poet
ty
frail veldt
u dont even have to track AR uptime IMO, just its CD. only thing to track is you...
Damn that's actually a sad truth
You don't even have to track adr buff 🙁
gaunt phoenix
Opener update
Use 
Dispatch as your first finisher if 
Slice and Dice is not active.
I assumed a few seconds without SND was worth it compared to 
BtE CDR but that was wrong.
In keys you can hit Slice and Dice before the first pull with the CPs you have from using 
AR pre-key.
That's all 
mighty pivot
skill expression
upper hawk
what is the prekey routine
gaunt phoenix
just AR KS
upper hawk
you do that when during the countdown? do they reset?
gaunt phoenix
Yeah
gaunt phoenix
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate
Loaded Dice. - As Trickster, use
KS to activate 
Disorienting Strikes. - Do NOT use
RTB before the key, you will lose it.
mighty pivot
maybe add snd to prekey
gaunt phoenix
spend your AR combo points before the bubble falls
meh, they get munched into 2cps, which is fine enough to snd
upper hawk
so don't press rtb, you'll lose it, but at the end of KS you can press SND and it will carry into the key?
gaunt phoenix
No, you will lose snd. you have to snd after the key starts. you should have 2cps left over when the bubble falls
upper hawk
i found out the hard way that cp reset on combat start. so wait for that to happen before you press ar? or at least it seemed like that was what was happeing
mighty pivot
is there a spell flag for which buffs are removed on bubblefall solo?
gaunt phoenix
yeah, you dont AR before the boss
fresh acorn
Is it cooked to do like “ss -> dispatch -> old opener”
gaunt phoenix
is there a spell flag for which buffs are removed on bubblefall solo?
I only know Raid Encounter End or M+ Start (41). now that you've said that, idk if you can snd during the bubble or not
keen belfry
what if BTE also stored bullets
ugh!
why dont they listen to #outlaw
we cook
We Cook
mighty pivot
I only know `Raid Encounter End or M+ Start (41)`. now that you've said that, ...
it stays. I wasn't spreading misinformation
ez one more prekey step
gaunt phoenix
mighty pivot
snd is back on the menu
keen belfry
hey solo u there bro? u there man? i have a question for you, bro.
im so intrgued as to where the cutoff is for rerolling your KIR'd buff to save a LD, both duration and stage
upper hawk
does disorienting strikes have a time limit?
gaunt phoenix
no
keen belfry
like is rerolling 1 jackpot with 13 seconds a W? what about at 8? what about at 15? what about a stage 3? can u guide me to the holy land?
gaunt phoenix
maybe
keen belfry
to save an LD*
i wonder what the cutoff is
i let my jackpots falloff usually
unless its like 5 seconds to save an LD
gaunt phoenix
!update
ornate heathBOT
Updated.
gaunt phoenix
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB or SND before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
gaunt phoenix
if you think of the bubble as before the key
mighty pivot
time for a poll!
keen belfry
also ninjarobot
lime lake
it feels pretty clear to me
keen belfry
do u think dps gain sending BTE at 5cps instead of 6+ when you have apex?
i thnk so.
lime lake
but could put "before the key is inserted" to clear it up i guess
keen belfry
but maybe its mininamala.
gaunt phoenix
what do you gain
mighty pivot
should be like neutral no? you trade one extra builder for fewer zero in stacks on that bte
keen belfry
yeah just one less builder
well, it depends sometimes its not one less builder so maybe its shite rule
i just like sending 5 combo points and getting 7 back
instead of 7 and getting 7 back
feels like im stealing from teh game
gaunt phoenix
huge
mighty pivot
awang sandbagging
gaunt phoenix
mayb if you dont have crit
keen belfry
solo surely messed up that sim all good tho
mighty pivot
solo purposely missimmed it to keep the tech for himself
keen belfry
also unsure if u guys know, but based on sounds in game, it seems like cold blood procs off any of the pistol shots fired
like basically, pistol shot = guaranteed cold blood
mighty pivot
playing with cb sound on 
but yes it must be from any PS. Sub can also multiproc it with clones (not sure about sectec clones)
keen belfry
It’s so bad
How do I disable
Since resetting my pc I’ve lost so many good settings I had
Like why are ppls abilities that aren’t mine so loud
mighty pivot
How do I disable
let me introduce to you to https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/mute-cold-blood 
gaunt phoenix
upper hawk
there's an app for that
keen belfry
NR copying me ? Addon dev?
mighty pivot
I was about to go crazy with all the procs
keen belfry
How do I turn off other peoples abilities making sounds
Like this demon hunter was fucking my ears earlier
gaunt phoenix
like is rerolling 1 jackpot with 13 seconds a W? what about at 8? what about at ...
unfortunately it seems too rare to move the sim needle
so fuck knows
keen belfry
unfortunately it seems too rare to move the sim needle
Yeah, normally I’m only in situations like this when I snipe a good buff
KIRing a low duration buff always leads to losing a LD
gaunt phoenix
i can tell you that if I dont attach an RTB duration at all then it becomes an expected loss
but if i shrink the duration it happens 0.03 times
keen belfry
Basically losing a LD is bad yeah
gaunt phoenix
so there is some duration where it matters/neutral
keen belfry
Yeah
And also buff dependent
I think around 8 seconds seems right
Cause if you lose a LD for like 6 seconds it felt like I was gonna have a no LD roll
But at like 14 you can farm enough cdr where u can gain
mighty pivot
what if you force to only roll rtb3+ and then play around rtb duration > 10-15s with KIR ready
keen belfry
I don’t remember if I made it clear but yeah this rule would only apply to 3+
mighty pivot
I don't see holding rtb3 being worth it given that it is worth less per stage than rtb4
mighty pivot
rtb2 is obvious you can reroll yes
jackpot with dragon boner dice is very strong to reroll (and fairly rare even with LD)
gaunt phoenix
it is higher than tww s4
lime lake
isnt it kinda fucked up to kill a dragon and use its bones to make dice
considering theyre sentient beings
mighty pivot
s4 
keen belfry
it is higher than tww s4
Substantial?
gaunt phoenix
uhhh
keen belfry
like I’ve had moments where I’m perma 2 buff which is fine but like
mighty pivot
wasn't it like from 4.8 to 5.3 or something
keen belfry
I can then go roll 3+ perma
gaunt phoenix
"yes" but it's a comparison that won't make sense
keen belfry
Math nerds
gaunt phoenix
it is 4.8 to 5.3 and that is 10% "more" variance
as in literally, your standard deviation as a percentage of the mean, is 10% higher than before
keen belfry
I wonder if our 1 minute variance is higher or lower
buoyant stratus
Simply roll 4, hit menacing rush, and strike 3 times in a row with no opportunity, strike 3 more times in a row and hate yourself
Also solo question, is overflowing purse equal or better than the 5% opportunity for the dispatch build?
Since youre dispatching so much idk its a lot of extra coins
buoyant stratus
Corse
gaunt phoenix
4% is just not enough
buoyant stratus
Okidoki figured but i wanted to be sure
mighty pivot
4% is clown %
buoyant stratus
And if AR is coming up in 2 finishers, and bte is up and you have your reset prepped, is it better to just dispatch twice and then send the btes in AR or nah?
With menacing rush*
mighty pivot
And if AR is coming up in 2 finishers, and bte is up and you have your reset pre...
I simmed that it was 22 dps increase 
buoyant stratus
Bro im all about the hyper specific minmaxs gimme a break
mighty pivot
I also tried with 1 finisher only and it was still nothing
buoyant stratus
I just want my choices to matter dad
mighty pivot
well it's more important to get snd 1 finisher early 
to be more specific I simmed it only for when your apex is 5 or 6+ stacks
but part of the problem is that it doesn't happen that often that all these conditions are true
fast fossil
in general shouyld you be genning more cp from pistol shot procs than ss
gaunt phoenix
just attaching cooldown.adrenaline_rush.remains>10|buff.adrenaline_rush.up to bte seems to be the smallest gain
mighty pivot
bro I realise now why I couldn't get this helmet to drop from bfa dungeons. If you run dungeons without having heart of azeroth at all means you get 0 azerite gear
gaunt phoenix
so i think you can do something like that if you want, dont expect it to move your overall dps tho
gaunt phoenix
in general shouyld you be genning more cp from pistol shot procs than ss
pistol shot is 4cps every time, SS is between 1-5cps depending on rtb and proc, so pistol shot probably wins on average per cast
mighty pivot
ss is only slightly better on average at rtb2 with deal fate
buoyant stratus
I mean you should just be ssing unless youre at 6 opportunity or you miss and send an opportunity no?
gaunt phoenix
4 average vs 4.1
mighty pivot
without dragon boner dice slightly lower
fast fossil
pistol shot is 4cps every time, SS is between 1-5cps depending on rtb and proc, ...
Ya im learning the spec and pretty comfortable with the spending but the building logic seems more nuanced
i never want to overcap pistol shot procs right?
gaunt phoenix
yeah, never press sinister strike when at 6 opportunity
the core builder logic is pretty minimal
fast fossil
but then if im not at 6, is the difference between pressing 3 opp shot or ss large?
gaunt phoenix
it's not a horrendous error
snow stratus
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
fast fossil
the core builder logic is pretty minimal
so i can think of it as, if youre at low cp or 6opp, press pistol shot?
low cp with 3 opp
gaunt phoenix
Yes
buoyant stratus
If im on 3 opp, i had an ace reset put me at 4cp, we ss?
gaunt phoenix
Yeah
buoyant stratus
Good to know
gaunt phoenix
it probably doesnt matter much to ps at 4cps
buoyant stratus
Idk the way i see it is if i dont proc ss i get to keep an opportunity and if i do proc ss well i lose 2cp
covert kestrel
if a bear has 4cp in the forest, does it even build?
gaunt phoenix
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
Misc:
Mute Cold Blood sound
EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
gaunt phoenix
what else should go in here
buoyant stratus
WangBar
I kinda like Midnight Simple Unit frames, i think mapko is working on it?
ornate heathBOT
Updated.
gaunt phoenix
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc:- Mute Cold Blood sound
- EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
gaunt phoenix
the big wang
brittle pelican
you guys know of any addon that makes the combat text smaller?
past falcon
wangbar 🔥🔥
granite merlin
I’ve spent like 8 hours trying to make my ui…..
I hate it
I just want my lisonna weak aura back 🙁
torpid fiber
i'm just not resubbing for midnight tbh
gaunt phoenix
freedom
low glade
!awangui
torpid fiber
freedom
I'm going to miss playing outlaw sometimes but also if I wait an expansion maybe they'll have made the spec awesomer
resubbed to ff14 recently (still in shadowbringers msq, kinda mostly just doing roulettes with friends tbh) and every single dps in that game is unbelievably boring to play imo
brittle pelican
red mage is the only cool job in that game
torpid fiber
I like the core of red mage but I've come to realise i don't like ogcd dps buttons in ff14
So having a billion of those makes me sad
Same with bard
But i do like Rdm
brittle pelican
2sec gcd cause they didn't want you mash on too many buttons, but gives you a bunch of ogcd buttons to press inbetween lulz
gaunt phoenix
Return to gacha
torpid fiber
All the melees I've tried put me to sleep
Legit had a friend flame me for saying that I thought that bard's "button with a proc chance" core gcd rotation is more fun than monk's "static 6 gcds that you remember the order of" rotation which was so weird to me
torpid fiber
Return to gacha
All my friends are playing genshin and wuwa and endfield rn and I don't like playing action on mobile so I just keep playing arknights
I made some really cool reverse engineering progress on an completely unrelated project yesterday though, and I can now sorta mod hit 2007 game The Zoo Race
gaunt phoenix
I was convinced to try limbus company and I quite like it
brittle pelican
Return to gacha
gacha is life
gaunt phoenix
true
torpid fiber
I made some really cool reverse engineering progress on an completely unrelated ...
it had anti-tamper and there was a mild effort made to make it hard to reverse engineer (the string used when the game errors on launch because it detects it's been modified is never actually directly referenced in the code, so I had to reverse engineer it by identifying the function used to print that error, and then go up like 4 functions from there one at a time to understand the control flow. And then I just changed a single byte and that disabled the anti-tamper. but took like 8-10 hours of thought to get to that point)
covert kestrel
I was convinced to try limbus company and I quite like it
what is that
gaunt phoenix
Uhh korean gacha SCP visual novel strategy thing
covert kestrel
torpid fiber
it's by the lobotomy corp and library of ruina people iirc, if you have friends who are into those games
gaunt phoenix
it had anti-tamper and there was a mild effort made to make it hard to reverse e...
All rev eng projects are cool
brittle pelican
I go heavy on the gacha games I like, and quit when the holidays roll around cause I'm too hungover to do my dailies and events
drunk doom pulling ends everything
gaunt phoenix
I'm very strongly impressed by wow emulators
torpid fiber
All rev eng projects are cool
Reverse engineering is really frustrating sometimes but also whenever I achieve my goal i feel like my years of university have been worth it and I'm the smartest person on the planet, it's so awesome
gaunt phoenix
I go heavy on the gacha games I like, and quit when the holidays roll around cau...
It's interesting, I don't know why I like them really
The marketing is pure predatory slop
gaunt phoenix
true
torpid fiber
Reverse engineering is really frustrating sometimes but also whenever I achieve ...
I should be doing a write up as I go instead of just taking short notes though, because it would be nice if this becomes resume padder for grad job applications
covert kestrel
The marketing is pure predatory slop
because their algorithms make you think youre beating the marketing slop
brittle pelican
gimme dat SSR ace proc
frail veldt
I have been back on TfT and im having a great time
torpid fiber
I wish I liked autobattlers but I just find them really confusing and boring and it sucks because I know a lot of ppl who love them
frail veldt
they are confusing until you get going
then they are never boring youre constantly thinking
my gf doesnt understand why I cant talk to her while im playing
cuz im literally barely clicking anything
and just waiting
but like theres so much to think about its great
when you nail a great pivot right in time and hit on your roll down it feels so good
fast fossil
how high up should autos and mastery be in st
gaunt phoenix
Autos should be #1 or #2
Mastery similar to pistol shot? I think?
If you have 0 mastery gear except tier
limpid isle
resubbed to ff14 recently (still in shadowbringers msq, kinda mostly just doing ...
bro you are in peak msq. 
enjoy. Nin also a fun job.
torpid fiber
I tried nin and the jutsu were fun but the rest of the time wasn't
limpid isle
yeah once the opener is done is ZZZ animations are kino tho
torpid fiber
but it is what it is. I really enjoy AST so I'm mostly just spamming that and using BLM for forced solo content
torpid fiber
AST is addictive even if it constantly makes me wish for frame mouseovers
limpid isle
shame what they do to summoner though. so much potential
limpid isle
AST is addictive even if it constantly makes me wish for frame mouseovers
one day. xiv still a baby tbh. I dont even think they have reach their peak yet, hills and valley etc
torpid fiber
Honestly I think they're just stubborn and maybe bc of console stuff
macros not getting spellqueued is sooooo cringe
limpid isle
thats just JP dev though, literally any game 
took them forever just to allow chat bubbles
torpid fiber
Yeah
and even then they're not in combat iirc, which makes sense tbf
Also the tab targeting sucks ass
brittle pelican
macros not getting spellqueued is sooooo cringe
getting dismounted when you talk to NPCs is best
torpid fiber
yeah but you can mount inside but not in cities but you can move during the cast so it's all a tradeoff
brittle pelican
Also the tab targeting sucks ass
my buddies and I had a good laugh at this, why yes I wanna hit that mob across the field
torpid fiber
You'll try to dot 3 mobs and it'll go 1213
like what are we doing
Also you can't tab target back onto mobs that have their health bars off-screen, which is a problem for tall enemies
gaunt phoenix
Goon morning
covert kestrel
I have been back on TfT and im having a great time
i wish i didnt have to install the whole league ecosystem for tft
covert kestrel
Goon morning
frail veldt
i wish i didnt have to install the whole league ecosystem for tft
SAAAAAAAAME
bro the league launcher
is so fucking pathetic
its worse than steam
it runs so so so poorly
and when you have a league game launched your windows key stops working???
and alt tab doesnt even show window previews anymore it shows icons
Im pretty sure the game literally runs in windows compatability mode
torpid fiber
i wish i didnt have to install the whole league ecosystem for tft
Apparently they're planning to fix that next year
frail veldt
better late than never I guess
torpid fiber
I think it's more a side effect of them fixing the league client next year than anything else
League players perma complain about the client being gigaass
covert kestrel
League players perma complain about the client being gigaass
been like that since s3 when i quit lol lmao
its wild how far its come since i left, i joined when leona was the newest hero
like pre s1
torpid fiber
oldge
torpid fiber
Tbh I watch way more esports than I play
frail veldt
Tbh I watch way more esports than I play
same nowadays
I dont have time to learn by doing
I have to learn by watching
frail veldt
#neverforget the old rune system
so fun
torpid fiber
honestly I don't enjoy SR that much so I just watch esports bc it's really fun. I've hit the point where I can laugh my ass off at it whenever a game is a mess and it's peak
frail veldt
lol
torpid fiber
im not watching t1 matches this year though, I realised they're bad for my mental health
(I don't like t1 so I have trauma)
covert kestrel
its fast its fun its dominion
iron bridge
is the personal resource display bugged? It's not showing any combo points
frail veldt
you might have an addon interfering with it maybe?
proven ocean
10 am for me
u living oppposite side of my world or
wait why did i say it as if we're in azeroth
i mean opposite side of earth
near pulsar
!prekey
ornate heathBOT
- Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
- As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
- Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.
- Use SND during the bubble once the key starts.
covert kestrel
@proven ocean should I get back into my osrs ironman
proven ocean
<@1172550924519080006> should I get back into my osrs ironman
last boss for blood torva
duke sucellus
ye
best game ever
tawny thorn
How is the apm after midnight prepatch? Did the playstyle slow down a bit or is it still ridiculous high?
untold wadi
still high(er) than others but ur no longer cracked out w stealth windows
patent lion
it is, and you posting it in an image and censoring it doesn't help 
quiet ore
is the personal resource display bugged? It's not showing any combo points
There's an extra checkbox in... Edit mode? Interface Options? To toggle showing power(s) on the personal resource display.
pastel pendant
How is the apm after midnight prepatch? Did the playstyle slow down a bit or is ...
It’s a lot slower now, especially when u dont have adr up
But it’s not just outlaw, everything feels slower, like they fundamentally changed the combat engine or something, everything feels a bit slower to respond and clunky idk maybe it’s just me
unkempt cypress
Feels.. bland
It's like what lil dev power they have going toward fking everyone over n their shitty ui
Like WHY couldn't they get their horses in a row before restricting every.fucking.api that's wortb a shit leaving us with crimbles n crickets. Traces here n there just enough for a taste WHILE WE HAVE THIS UI FIX IT FIRST
GET.THE.UI.IN A.STATE that is half decent BEFORE fking us
hardy thicket
unkempt cypress
Literally pacing rn im so PIST
hardy thicket
You are not wrong. Bet theres plenty of people feeling this exact way.
I logged onto Outlaw setup the UI and talents. Hit dummies for 2 minutes then logged out. Thats how bland it felt.
unkempt cypress
But liike bfa was kind of bland wasnt it? But it was fun back then. May have been bc uncapped keep ur wits and outlaw was actually good back then, but the playstyle flet the same unless I'm remembering it wrong
hardy thicket
BfA law was kinda meh in comparison to later iterations yeah.
unkempt cypress
Well it was new to me at the time too which I'm sure helped in that regard
torpid fiber
people have fond memories of bfa outlaw partially because it was broken
unkempt cypress
Yes and it was a great
hardy thicket
I mean it was also a time where you fished for rolls constantly
So it was kinda different
torpid fiber
I did not enjoy roll fishing
unkempt cypress
Wish theyd just do raid n m+ diff gear sets n balance for both seems like 2-3 specs meta over half the time
unkempt cypress
Also not pressure ppl to raid for gear that just wanna do keys
hardy thicket
SL i mean
I mean tbh I never liked the stealth centered gameplay that Outlaw was forced into beginning of DF
I think SL iterations were the sweet spot
Just personal pref
unkempt cypress
Kyrian rogue was fun
torpid fiber
Kyrian 🙏
unkempt cypress
Just succ nothing exciting about ol that i see now. Guess that's how it is with lots of specs atm idk. Nothing rly wrong but kinda boring
pastel pendant
I logged onto Outlaw setup the UI and talents. Hit dummies for 2 minutes then lo...
Same here it’s just such a disappointment compared to how it played previously.
pastel pendant
It's like what lil dev power they have going toward fking everyone over n their ...
What bothers me the most is their joke of a dmg meter. It’s just downright insulting to the players to proceed with it going live lol
potent ore
I mean tbh I never liked the stealth centered gameplay that Outlaw was forced in...
amen brother man
hardy thicket
I mean I did like the crackshot loop for dopamine kicks I just did not favor being so reliant on stealth and all the headaches revolving around it. Especially not when shit was bugged beyond reason in DF S3
errant fractal
there's like 0 point in tracking thistle tea is there
finite slate
hello guys. outlaw doing good on m+ midnight ?
cobalt mist
I mean I did like the crackshot loop for dopamine kicks I just did not favor bei...
ive always felt like this was a weird criticism because the practical impact of stealth bugs on outlaw was really not that significant. the only time it really sucked was dropping adren during rp you can't be stealthed in and accidentally fucking up your opening because of the fatebound coin thing
otherwise vanish was pretty much just shadow dance
like maaaaybe you'll unstealth at a bad time in-between pulls but you'd kinda rather be properly chain pulling anyways
torpid fiber
It was miserable in solo content and s3 had so many bugs
cobalt mist
and usually the worst thing that happened was you missed a gc in subterfuge
torpid fiber
It was miserable in solo content and s3 had so many bugs
A LOT of people play solo content
and like it was undeniably awful for them
Also had really janky interactions with mechanics sometines
If it was legit just shadow dance but on RB ppl complaining would have been weird
cobalt mist
i feel like we could have solved most of those problems without annihilating the entire playstyle
torpid fiber
Ah but then they'd have to admit that outlaw hero talents suck ass 🙂
cobalt mist
hell why not just replace vanish with shadow dance entirely instead of vice-versa
i occasionally joke that we would have 50% less complaining about crackshot if instead of vanish or shadow dance we had our own symbols-like that was just called Pirate Mode and literally did the same thing
torpid fiber
A few of us were advocates for "make a shadow dance reflavoured to fit outlaw" p much
Yeah
I think you're right fwiw
cobalt mist
yeah i get the solo content stuff
that shit was annoying during leveling and every early season gearing
torpid fiber
So many people either complained about flavour or solo content
And those are not hard to address they just didn't want to
Idk i see why they did what they did but it is enough that I'm not resubbing so 🤷
cobalt mist
samesies
i lowk doubt im playing wow ever again
or at least not until the game goes through a whole nother pruning-bloat cycle
wow can be bad but it rarely stays bad forever
"rarely"
i might be in the minority in that i prefer the game over-bloated and complicated to over-pruned and simple tbh
i can play path of exile if i want a game where i wander around a map effortlessly blowing up enemies
cinder haven
Complex snappy combat was always one of the big draws with wow for me
torpid fiber
Yeah.
I'm excited for the new rabbit and steel update though even if that game is 4 buttons including defensive
old shore
(Repost from assa) But can you guys track Vanish ? It's missing from my CDM 💀
cobalt mist
its not in the combat rotation anymore
so
:^)
what could go wrong if we let wow decide which abilities are worth tracking
cinder haven
But it’s still utility surely
cobalt mist
can you still use it to kill your friends by making enemies retarget spells on them
old shore
(Repost from assa) But can you guys track Vanish ? It's missing from my CDM 💀
Update, it is in the Outlaw CDM but not my Assa's ??
cobalt mist
LOL
torpid fiber
can you still use it to kill your friends by making enemies retarget spells on t...
The preferred phrasing is "avoid spells targeting you to minimise your damage intake" 🙂
cinder haven
Assa rogues don’t use utility I guess
Did we get back any defensive power?
Or mobility?
old shore
Assa rogues don’t use utility I guess
True
For future users : I had to recreate a brand new profile and redo everything; Vanish reappeared
cinder haven
errant fractal
torpid fiber
radiant root
coarse parcel
lucid stirrup
exotic gale
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Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Mute Cold Blood sound
- EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
shy meteor
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Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
exotic gale
why can't i edit the wang bar? edit button doesnt work 
covert kestrel
WANGBAR
radiant wyvern
WangBar is perfect as is. WangBar requires no editing.
upper hawk
WangBar is perfect as is. WangBar requires no editing.
but if you really wanted to, how do you get ot the edit menu?
i tried /wang /wb /wangbar /bbw
nothign
radiant wyvern
they're saying that wang has the Mandate of Heaven, and that WangBar is the closest thing to True Divinity on this mortal coil
thick vigil
i tried /wang /wb /wangbar /bbw
upper hawk
thick vigil
waduheck
upper hawk
i also see abutton on the mini map but left clicking doesn't load that like the hover text says it would
torpid fiber
Lol
stoic needle
i also see abutton on the mini map but left clicking doesn't load that like the ...
Left click didn’t work for me either, but right clicking into edit mode… displayed a little edit button next to the bars that let me get to settings. 60% of the time… it works every time.
upper hawk
that thing?
doesn't do anything for me
weird. i got it through wowup-cf
is there a better place to get it?
stoic needle
I got it that way as well. There were 3 releases yesterday. Did you just now download it? Perhaps try one of the prior releases, the latest update may have introduced a bug.
hasty warren
Hi pirates
upper hawk
I got it that way as well. There were 3 releases yesterday. Did you just now d...
the menu works on the oldest. i made changes and then reinstalled the newest one. changes stayed so that works. i guess.
hasty warren
I just dl prepatch and removed all my addons, what addons are u suggesting to get ?
keen belfry
I got it that way as well. There were 3 releases yesterday. Did you just now d...
Did you get it thru wowup
stoic needle
Through CF
stoic needle
Hmmmm this was happening with a few users before
This small bug aside… top tier work. Thanks.
gaunt phoenix
I just dl prepatch and removed all my addons, what addons are u suggesting to ge...
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Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Mute Cold Blood sound
- EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
keen belfry
This small bug aside… top tier work. Thanks.
Need to figure out how to replicate this issue yall are facing
Edit mode button not working and then minimap button not loading the options menu?
stoic needle
Need to figure out how to replicate this issue yall are facing
Edit mode butto...
And it not showing up under options->addons.
Some change between the first Jan 30 release and the third.
keen belfry
Well, it didn’t show up on its first release and the 2nd release fixed that for most users I think
I will check today
bleak saffron
Just getting back into the game and rogue getting catch up gear. Sometimes I feel like I just bottom out in energy on outlaw. Is it a gear issue or a skill issue or both
inland meteor
i think that just happens naturally once you run out of tea in longer encounters
however for shorter encounters you should be fine on energy
gaunt phoenix
In prepatch you want >30% haste to help energy
If you get stuck with stage 1 rtb and no tea then you can stall on energy
Fairly rare though it hasnt really happened often in the keys ive spammed
thorn parrot
Just getting back into the game and rogue getting catch up gear. Sometimes I fee...
whats your haste and your actual character level?
thorn parrot
ITs all good, even with 34% haste Ill bottom out albeit rarely.
bleak saffron
i think that just happens naturally once you run out of tea in longer encounters
Yeah it’s sustaining on longer fights or chain pulls
I didn’t really like outlaw in the past but it feels way better now
thorn parrot
off hand dagger yeah? Or are you two slow main hands
bleak saffron
Dagger OH
thorn parrot
Yeah if its longer fights thats just the way we are now, kind of a bummer.
bleak saffron
Seems like ST is pretty good though
frail veldt
Need to figure out how to replicate this issue yall are facing
Edit mode butto...
It's probably a conflict with other add-ons
Ask people to disable their other add-ons then try the button and see if it works
keen belfry
That would make sense
frail veldt
I've found like half my add-ons edit modes don't work unless I disable other shit
thorn parrot
Ask people to disable their other add-ons then try the button and see if it work...
prepare riots in 1...2...3...
cinder relic
I didn’t really like outlaw in the past but it feels way better now
welcome to the champions club
wintry solar
Good times inc
hardy thicket
ive always felt like this was a weird criticism because the practical impact of ...
Game design does not account for classes having to be in stealth for optimal output. My critisicm is not really more advanced than that. There are numerous examples of raidbosses and m+ dungeons were you were simply just punished for being Outlaw. The S3 DF bugs could make you put BtE on CD due to stealthing with subterfuge still up and there was no way of tracking it. So yeah. I dont like the concept when it creates a pretty uneven playing field.
frail veldt
ive always felt like this was a weird criticism because the practical impact of ...
You're forgetting m+
Stealth has been a buggy and unreliable gameplay mechanic forever
cinder relic
I just didn't like that Outlaw played like a budget sub rogue for a long time. Obviously Sub is signifacantly more setup and burst oriented than Outlaw, but the whole rotation revolving around these "damage windows" wasn't my cup of tea
frail veldt
And the more a spec relies on stealth, the more issues it has to play around
They need to rework stealth if they want it to be part of core mechanics imo
Combat is too buggy
thorn parrot
As much as I miss that high APm gameplay of just non stop management, this change was for the better
wintry solar
Combat is too buggy
And unforgiving
frail veldt
They need to design a stealth combat that's exclusive for stealth classes that allows you to trigger it after not taking any offensive actions
Cuz too many like rp/debuffs/procs/etc all extend combat
Or just never use stealth as a core requirement of a mechanic lol
rocky cove
Do we use finishers with 6 or 7 combo points?
rocky cove
Nice thanks 🙂
stoic needle
Or just never use stealth as a core requirement of a mechanic lol
I think it going back to just a “sneak” and agro drop, is an acceptable situation. If they aren’t going to invest in the gameplay of it… then they should just leave it alone. No combat interaction is better than janky interaction.
frail veldt
I mean it should just be a stance for ability usage
The out of combat more fantasy stuff of not being visible can stay
But they should be separate
If they really wanted to keep it
stoic needle
But they should be separate
Yeah I think this is a good idea. Stealth stance being the out of combat ability and vanish essentially using the rules of shadow dance on a long cooldown. I’d maybe miss the “oh crap” agro drop button aspect… but it solves a lot of other things.
frail veldt
yeah exactly
oblique trench
does someone has some sort of poison reminder?
gaunt phoenix
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Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Mute Cold Blood sound
- EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
oblique trench
Pog
dim lynx
I have an ability question:
Ive always had trouble getting Blade Rush to AoE consistently. It seems like it's random whether itll hit everything or nothing. I farm old content and Ill have a big pack of enemies and it's got probably a 50% chance at best to hit targets
gaunt phoenix
I haven't seen an issue with blade rush in endgame content
There is a bug where when you kill a target, the damage instance that was the killing blow will not blade flurry around you
perhaps blade rush is doing something similar in old content
dim lynx
That really sucks. I used to enjoy farming old content with rogues, outlaw specifically. And it's frustrating not having consistent AoE
desert tendon
we have awang but not zac in !ui, what did this world became
keen belfry
wait
considering i setup my addon UI with ACE3
if the user doesnt have that, it just wont load right?
can i enable dependencies in curse forge
frail veldt
same and same
keen belfry
hm
frail veldt
That really sucks. I used to enjoy farming old content with rogues, outlaw speci...
what did you used to use to farm old content on outlaw?
dim lynx
Blade flurry USED to hit everything
frail veldt
gotcha, im not sure what changed about blade rush though
only thing theyve done to it is buff its damage afaik
dim lynx
Ive always had the issue with blade rush i never used it for forever due to that
frail veldt
oh so is the new thing that bladeflurry doesnt last as long cuz uhuh is gone?
so you have to press blade rush more often?
dim lynx
what is uhuh?
frail veldt
thats the ability that made bladeflurry last forever while adr was up and pause during stealth
gaunt phoenix
old talent that made blade flurry last forever
dim lynx
Yes yes that.
I am soloing everything in old content so I cant easily get my CDs lower, so Im just stuck trying to fight packs or having to single target because I dont have adequate AoE
frail veldt
yeah thats unfortunately how theyve redesigned outlaw
if you dont have targets to hit for cdr, you will run otu of bladeflurry
dim lynx
Now that Im focusing on this too, blade flurry seems to also be suffering the aforementioned blade rush issue where if i kill the enemy with an ability, the AoE doesnt transfer
so essentially i have NO consistent AoE
frail veldt
yeah thats the issue solo mentioned, that ones been around for a while
dim lynx
The only thing that's landing a consistent AoE is... casting blade flurry x.x
stoic needle
if the user doesnt have that, it just wont load right?
The libraries should be in the libs directory of the addon. They don’t need an external dependency.
keen belfry
The libraries should be in the libs directory of the addon. They don’t need an ...
lemme look into this
formal yarrow
hi guys, what is the currrent state of the outlaw, i came back after 1 year, how good is for midnight
frail veldt
current tuning on the beta is quite good
cinder relic
hi guys, what is the currrent state of the outlaw, i came back after 1 year, how...
Depends what you are asking about
formal yarrow
mythic+
cinder relic
Tuning? Vibes? Playstyle?
frail veldt
functional limitations of the spec are the same: capped aoe, no strong cds, requires uptime, low utility, etc
frail veldt
playstyle is subjective
vivid vessel
can i enable dependencies in curse forge
you build your dependencies with the adon
frail veldt
it is not difficult
cinder relic
Playstyle is more similar to how it used to be in SL/BFA
It's a fairly simple builder spender spec thats GCD locked
formal yarrow
oh ok thats good
frail veldt
if your scale includes DF s3+ and TWW then this will feel significantly slower/easier
cinder relic
It's like fury except it has more stuff to keep track of
formal yarrow
is vanish still part of the rotation
cinder relic
nop
frail veldt
nope
formal yarrow
so its like fury in the sense that we need to press a lot of buttons
cinder relic
Yes
formal yarrow
thats cool, i played fury last tier, it was fun
so I guess outlaw is the one
what about assa?
keen belfry
you build your dependencies with the adon
yeah
formal yarrow
it get nerfed or still good as the outlaw
cinder relic
Assa is just a spec about tracking bleedsand afking to maximize your envenom damage buff
ATM on beta its like Sub = Otl > Sin butnobody knows lol
Nobody is really doing big comparisons for specs rn just rough estimates
cinder relic
Outlaw just got a massive set of buffs last week, tuning is super up in the air still
indigo token
Depends what you are asking about
i heard all manner of bugs in the prepatch
like one that lets you teleport other characters
cinder relic
It was a bug for like an hour
formal yarrow
Hey what about the blue stuff, i can recall the name
random stirrup
cinder relic
nah er got removed awhile ago
formal yarrow
perfect
cinder relic
Got replaced with a talent called supercharger, its just "whenever you cast x rogue spell (spec based) your next finisher acts as if it was 3 additional combo points"
vivid vessel
biggest downgrade in outlaw history
formal yarrow
hahaha
vivid vessel
er rc was one of the coolest outlaw gameplay we ever had
remplaced by something completly invisible
cant believe they slowly removed every cool thing that made outlaw
mfd er acro ace
sbs
dust
dim lynx
Now that Im focusing on this too, blade flurry seems to also be suffering the af...
It seems like its more likely to work... if I am not facing my target when I cast blade rush
untold wadi
ER sniping was fun
except when u had to play around crackshot dispatch stealing the one u grabbed with ghostly mid gcd
vivid vessel
tbf that was skill issuew
keen belfry
ER was peak, and was replaced by sc that was fun on rtb
keen belfry
sc wasnt ever fun bro
might be copium but it felt good going into crackshot with cs
or
sc
keen belfry
now was i a fan of rtb tiers? meh
vivid vessel
better than s3 tier kekew
keen belfry
i enjoy coup a lot
idk why
so more coups is fun to me
i think a trickster tree based off blade rush would just be fun
(ignore energy)
cinder relic
i like that RTB on SC made "bad rolls" less punishing. I get that ppl ended up viewing it as "It did nothing when you had good buffs" but meh
Felt like a lil bit of a cushion to poop rolling
vivid vessel
i like that RTB on SC made "bad rolls" less punishing. I get that ppl ended up v...
i mean ok but it could have been rc instead
we didnt have to rework it
into this invisible buff
keen belfry
race car
keen belfry
u think i played rogue in slands?
cinder relic
I think too many people just disliked how ER played
I never agreed with people who disliked it but
vivid vessel
too many noobs
vestal notch
er was an insane ability
vivid vessel
but on outlaw it worked very well
vestal notch
i liked it on assa too
keen belfry
ER was so so fun
cinder relic
I remember even back in SL when ER was revealed I really liked it
and everybody in here, different group of ppl, hated it lol
keen belfry
like deliberate decisions to press just GS and snipe a point was giga
vivid vessel
cant be me bro
vestal notch
sadly
cinder relic
wcyd
vestal notch
i still dont understand why it was hated
dim lynx
Confirmed. Using blade rush while not facing your target seems to make it work 🙂
cobalt mist
it was weird and basically impossible to use without a WA
cinder relic
What
cobalt mist
are we talking about old ER
vestal notch
you land on animacharged cp, u use finisher
vivid vessel
it might be one of the only thing you didnt need a weak aura for
vestal notch
whats so hard about it
vivid vessel
its litteraly on the base UI
vestal notch
it was blue on base ui wtf
cobalt mist
oh
vestal notch
you on blue? finisher
cobalt mist
lowkey
cinder relic
i still dont understand why it was hated
People overemphasized the "landing on the correct combo points" part as a "stupid minigame" rather than just something that "happens eventually" since the buff lasted for 45 seconds
vivid vessel
xd
cobalt mist
(the base ui, i mean)
vivid vessel
litteraly the only buff ever that is on the base ui
if there was one thing you didnt need a weak aura for
it was this
for sure
vestal notch
People overemphasized the "landing on the correct combo points" part as a "stupi...
but it was super obvious u didnt aim to land on it, you eventualy did
vivid vessel
it was just noobs
cinder relic
but it was super obvious u didnt aim to land on it, you eventualy did
A lot of things are super obvious and people don't agree lol
vivid vessel
that didnt like it
cobalt mist
rogue is a lot of people thinking the class is way harder than it is
vestal notch
mutilate land u on 3 cp and its blue, finisher
vivid vessel
like anyone that understood outlaw a little bit
cinder relic
Even I remember having convos with the old wowhead/TC guy, mystler about how much he hated ER haha
vivid vessel
i started in sl and i swear he was already retireed
gaunt phoenix
cinder relic
Mystler quit in SL
vivid vessel
I feel like you can get your point across without disagree = noob
i mean
not this time tho
its litteraly true
its just people that didnt understand
that you just naturally land on it
and that thought you had to mastermind play around it
vivid vessel
legit just people that didnt actually play the spec
you didnt count either
thats my point
vestal notch
out of all the complex things outlaw had, er was not
cobalt mist
yeah ik its just the idea that it could be super hard is really funny to me
vestal notch
wish outlaw had er and not ks
cobalt mist
old ks sucked so much but im truly going to miss giving my friends heart attacks when i had a circle on me
cinder relic
Mystler was getting burned out by all the AP grinds after Legion BFA
So SL being more AP grinds burnt him out
and then he dipped out for SL
Handed off the wowhead stuff to me fuu and whispyr
vestal notch
early sl was disgusting tho, i cant blame anyone quitting over it
gaunt phoenix
mystler was the simc goat before koji, lost a real one
keen belfry
i lasted 2 months of slands
vestal notch
i played 1 week after launch
and inmediately quit
returned in zereth mortis tho, it was much better
gaunt phoenix
I thought the worldspace of SL was pretty memorable
keen belfry
side not i think we are at a perfect amount of rtb presses now, so sc can simply just return to rtb
thoughts?
vestal notch
i liked the zones that were not korthia or the maw
but half the expansion was korthia and the maw so
keen belfry
I thought the worldspace of SL was pretty memorable
revendreth and ardenweald are top 5 zones ever
vestal notch
denathrius was also cool af
quasi verge
keen belfry
nathria was basically my first ever mythic raid, sad i quit right as SLG started
i wanted to fight denathrius
vestal notch
i guess we all like different likes
but i can not get myself to respect yours this time
keen belfry
idk what that is
figuring it out, but i bet SOMEWHERE in your addons they use/have ace. and the ones that dont have an addon with ace are having the ui issues, so i just have to include ace in my addon for those cases
frail veldt
Old ER was the reason I preferred the default cp animation haha it was one of the only good ui elements theyve ever made themselves
vivid vessel
figuring it out, but i bet SOMEWHERE in your addons they use/have ace. and the o...
what a noob
vivid vessel
noob
keen belfry
yeah...
desert tendon
noob²
keen belfry
can main coochie just giga proc?
vivid vessel
wtf is this left hand damage
keen belfry
i have random stat proc trinket on maybe my mastery procced
keen belfry
the blizzard meter is so fugly goddamn
this might be the worst part of midnight atm
its SO inaccurate
gaunt phoenix
yeah i mean the info
keen belfry
details is even more inaccurate guys
keen belfry
thats what you dthink
keen belfry
ive done runs where the difference in details vs the dmg meter is massive
keen belfry
i think its more wrong
like like it was telling me i was a t50k overall and the blizz one said 95ish and wcls said like 100
vestal notch
well details has been working properly for like 20 years and blizzard dmg meter sometimes get spec icons wrong
so choose who you trust
inland meteor
well it worked properly before blizz decided to nuke its ability to read data
vivid vessel
like like it was telling me i was a t50k overall and the blizz one said 95ish an...
wcl count time not in combat
its litteraly not the same thing as ingame
jolly geyser
zac change pfp
keen belfry
yeah idc about the wcl thing, like cuh details said we were doing like 15k dps on first pull floodgate
maybe bad procs?
vivid vessel
zac change pfp
wtf true
hardy thicket
I mean tbf if wcl says >details and blizz that just means one thing anyways
Shit be scuffed
vivid vessel
i mean idk it depends
you cant read dps the same way
wcl never stops
details and blizzard does
sometimes
when
iudk
it was clear before when details was doing it
but now its blizzard
so its fucked iup
obviously
hasty warren
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Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Mute Cold Blood sound
- EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
real falcon
I feel like outlaw is the best feeling rogue spec right now
upper hawk
and best tasting?
jolly geyser
After 3h on the smoker
quaint mauve
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Mute Cold Blood sound
- EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
bleak saffron
This is a dumb question but reading guides I don’t see any info. Do we just never have to actually spend CP on slice and dice?
bleak saffron
Yeah got it
vivid vessel
it sin your book tho
bleak saffron
That’s what was happening so I figured we just get it up with the first dispatch
vivid vessel
ye
subtle cedar
New to Outlaw, what’s the main rotation and priority I should be focusing on? I read the rotation guide but is it still valid and best minmax ?
bleak saffron
The icy veins one seemed pretty clear to me if you haven’t read it
unkempt cypress
I feel like outlaw is the best feeling rogue spec right now
If there was no downtime bc energy i wouldn't have any complaints. Blade rush being a thing and the removing of containter buffs and not relying on stealth were nice changes
Imo
wintry solar
Back in my day 
cinder relic
I feel like outlaw is the best feeling rogue spec right now
I like all of them for different reasons but new outlaw feels solid
frail veldt
New to Outlaw, what’s the main rotation and priority I should be focusing on? I ...
It is up to date in #outlaw-faq
molten oasis
Question why is crit so good now?
real falcon
Question why is crit so good now?
Assuming BtE go big boom
tender wedge
that looks like senseis
quaint mauve
i dont have that installed
tender wedge
better cooldown manager?
quaint mauve
ty
tender wedge
A lot of them look the same 🤔
cinder relic
Question why is crit so good now?
Crit has always been good, but bte/rp don't provide a mountain of free crit anymore
ornate heathBOT
Resources:
- ArcUI / BetterCDM - common suites for buff/cd customization
- WangBar - displays CPs/energy, customize colors per point, faster than Sensei
- MSUF - recommendation for unit frames
- Platynator - recommendation for nameplates (Jundies Profile)
Misc: - Mute Cold Blood sound
- EasyReminders - can show poison reminders outside of instances
gaunt phoenix
Zero In talent is also crit scaling
quaint mauve
yeah msuf feels kinda cancer to deal with
keen belfry
solo how much crit does the sim have and whats avg zero in?
gaunt phoenix
289 with crit on almost everything except trinkets is 33%
keen belfry
not bad
i bet we get up to like 10ish stacks on avg
also considering we bte more with apex
gaunt phoenix
average stacks at any given moment is a little over 5
keen belfry
holy low
polar kelp
