outlaw

[radiant wyvern]

[low glade]

[cinder relic]

not atm

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

i clicked on 3 logs and they were not haste mastery

[cinder relic]

we always play double rogue

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel mad cuz outlaw bad?

Why is outlaw getting downgraded every patch

1 thing goes every time

[lavish shoal]

bro

it just gets worse

every patch

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[proven ocean]

Acro, fast hook, we had high stamina, we had crazy survivability, infinite mobility, fast fun gameplay, vanishing mechanics constantly

Each gone every other season

[fair iron]

MFD mouseovers :*(

[lavish shoal]

MFD MAN

mfd

sbs

ER Was fun too

[gaunt phoenix]

dekai

[proven ocean]

Mfd, sbs, dreadblades suck

Er was fun

[lavish shoal]

er was peak

[proven ocean]

I hated forced rotation on death

[lavish shoal]

mfd was fun imo

[proven ocean]

Bad gameplay

[lavish shoal]

but

sbs was fine cause it was never bis

but it was always something fun u could do

[proven ocean]

It was bis

In sl

So

[lavish shoal]

it was not bis

[fair iron]

that essence we used to snipe last hits with to get resets from

[proven ocean]

It was bozo

[lavish shoal]

when

[proven ocean]

It simmed more no one played it because it was too hard

[fair iron]

like something flame iirc

[proven ocean]

It was good in theater of pain

Idk like one season

Forgot when

Maybe more zac knows better cuz sub was better

[lavish shoal]

i mean sbs was good for a bit pre double leggo

[proven ocean]

Barely played outlaw there

[fair iron]

https://www.wowhead.com/azerite-essence-power/breath-of-the-dying-135 that thing

[lavish shoal]

post double leggo it got nerfed very hard before it went live and then it was just er

[fair iron]

so fun

[proven ocean]

Ye breath was good

[fathom bramble]

breath was sick

[cinder relic]

SBS was very weak in SL, outside of AoE

Kyrian was better most of the expac as a general use option

[lavish shoal]

i miss bte being a debuff

[proven ocean]

Sbs was an m+ only thing

Very strong

In some situations

[cinder relic]

It was a massive ST loss, even for a dungeon setup

[patent mirage]

ah yes deathspike

[proven ocean]

Not rly

Wdym

[fathom bramble]

SBS was nearly as good for ST at times while being way better on aoe/cleave

[proven ocean]

It was good in dungeons lol

[patent mirage]

but whatever rc dust was the pog

[vivid vessel]

ye it wasnt that bad st lol

[proven ocean]

U know that alot of dungeons had great design right

Like ToP

[lavish shoal]

er dust man

[low glade]

can't wait for outlaw to oppress the meta next patch

[proven ocean]

Constant adds

1-3 adds perma

[cinder relic]

I reemmber necro being a literal 10% st loss

[lavish shoal]

actual peak outlaw

[fathom bramble]

when though

[gaunt phoenix]

at one point it was

[patent mirage]

rc dust > everything else

[fathom bramble]

because sbs needed over 100% buffs in the first season

[proven ocean]

10% sounds like a sim bug xd

[fathom bramble]

and none of the cov skills themselves even gave over 3% damage at the start either

cov trees do make this number change though

which had their own balance going on

[proven ocean]

Mainly i mean like

[craggy barn]

gn stealing all of the rogues in NA wtf

[proven ocean]

It was good in niche situations

[lavish shoal]

it was insane in hoa but

[proven ocean]

ToP

[lavish shoal]

it was actually not because u lost way too much on the boss

[proven ocean]

Mostly

[lavish shoal]

top is kinda fake

[proven ocean]

Rest u played kyrian

[craggy barn]

i made the mistake of going necro outlaw in s1, and just not doing that much damage

[proven ocean]

?

[craggy barn]

was fun af tho

flesh crafting in pvp op

[lavish shoal]

like it was a good necro for top if u needed a necro

[proven ocean]

Did u play wow casually or did u push keys

[fair iron]

yeah necro in rbgs was absolutely absurd

[proven ocean]

No offense but like

Theres no way u actually think it was good in halls

Compared to a perfect sbs key like ToP

[craggy barn]

when i came back from my wow break, necro was not terrible in s3/s4, but not as op as dust flag

[lavish shoal]

im talking more about the beta when it was 3 spikes and people were going crazy

[craggy barn]

thank god u could switch covs on the fly

[gaunt phoenix]

this was late season 3

good times

[lavish shoal]

it was going crazy in hoa at the start

and clips got sent around everywhere and it got nerfed to 2 spikes

[fathom bramble]

yeah after we got cov legendary slot

since the necro legendary was useless on st

[gaunt phoenix]

yea

[proven ocean]

Prob 2nd legendary

I mean i played everyday so

[fathom bramble]

necro could compete on st before that

[proven ocean]

Ramfam and few other good rogues touched it in ToP

[fathom bramble]

and was better on a lot of raid fights

[proven ocean]

Not just me

[vestal notch]

blunderbuss mentioned

[lavish shoal]

xdd

[proven ocean]

Brb sleep cuz work

[lavish shoal]

i remember the sbs vs kyrian argument in top at the time

[proven ocean]

Fk work tho

[lavish shoal]

and i was doing both

it was more fun, gave u the buff, and a bit more overall

[proven ocean]

Gotta sleep i cant explain why it was good at the time it’ll take an hour

[lavish shoal]

i know why it was good at the time i was playing as much as u

[proven ocean]

1 am fk work

[lavish shoal]

the hoa reference was me recalling a jpc clip

where he spiked a crazy high dps and they insta nerfed sbs on beta day after

[proven ocean]

Probably he had a decent route for it

[radiant wyvern]

imagine sisyphus happy

[proven ocean]

Ya

Beta

I mean that makes sense

[lavish shoal]

ye like sbs was insane in beta

but in live kyrian was bis for almost everything

[proven ocean]

Hi somnius

Gn chat

[lavish shoal]

gn buddy

[sacred rune]

dust gaming

i rly liked dust

felt a bit stupid on outlaw tho

[gaunt phoenix]

you mean awesome ..

[fathom bramble]

you mean spectacular

[lime lake]

kyrian dust outlaw is my favorite rogue iteration ive ever played

[fathom bramble]

now it was stupid in pvp

back to back kicking

kidneying 2 players

kicking priests on both schools was peak though

as stupid as it was

[vivid vessel]

cdr on the cdr spec?

idk man i think it made sense lol

[sacred rune]

the cdr on top of the baseline cdr

felt a bit too much

[vivid vessel]

idk didnt really feel like too much

it was just more

of everything

[sacred rune]

haha

[fathom bramble]

it wasn't even really THAT much more

[sacred rune]

it was like energy drink with extra big portion of caffeine

[fathom bramble]

it was like 25% more restless blades effectiveness

[sacred rune]

fair

[fathom bramble]

an extra 30 seconds every 2 minutes that pass

strongest part was just reducing things that we couldn't actually reduce with restless

it was definitely very different on the 2 specs though

and I think depending on how you look at it either one can be stupid

sub getting that amount of adaptability on that amount of burst can definitely be stupid

[lavish shoal]

echoing reprimand

[frail veldt]

I wasnt even in the discord this far back

missed out

[vivid vessel]

thats not the same season we played sbs tho

i distincly remember

that dust rc was before

and then it was dead

hm

i think it got boomed mid season idk i dont remmeber

oh ye

i rmemeber playing it till second to last boss

[ashen void]

😌 🪨 ⛰️

[ashen void]

i miss shadowdust gaming frfr

[stuck sparrow]

you had to manage ghostly mfd and er

iirc

[ashen void]

ye

shadowdust + resounding clarity

[topaz pulsar]

Is fatebound still being used over trickster on beta

[glass mortar]

yes

[topaz pulsar]

Thank you, do you happen to know the reasoning, just curious what changes from pre patch to midnight

[leaden sonnet]

More talent points

Apex talents

[vivid vessel]

we get apex talents

and more hero talent points

[glass mortar]

availability of haste and the 3 more talent points for both hero talent trees

[vivid vessel]

and the tuning is different

[glass mortar]

of which fatebounds new talents r better i believe

[topaz pulsar]

Ty

[fair iron]

alright who do i subscribe to for outlaw arcui/uuf/cdbar imports; my cursory disc search has only revealed strings for nameplates

[lime lake]

give me money and i'll make some shit up

[fair iron]

gonna need a zac/mystler type of deal here

logged into prepatch and then logged back out ofc

[vivid vessel]

wait midnight

[glass mortar]

im hearing the prepatch event is a bit of a joke for gearing alts

like really really awful and grindy

[vivid vessel]

like addons arent finished rn

so making ui

[glass mortar]

crazy how blizzard manages to miss on the easiest dunks for content specifically aimed for the most casual of players even

[vivid vessel]

is weird

[covert kestrel]

you get 40 per toon per week, and then two 40 warbound weekly quests, and 1 per rare killed

[glass mortar]

so thats like what, 1 piece of gear per week without perma grinding? isnt gear 100 marks or something?

[covert kestrel]

its 40 for one piece

so 3 pieces which still isnt great, then kill 40 rares for another piece lol

[glass mortar]

ah ok so 3 pieces per week, but 1 additional per toon

[fair iron]

my goat; makes sense

[glass mortar]

yea i remember the last prepatch i participated in i think it was legion or shadowlands?

it rained gear from the skys and i geared like 5 alts (and leveled a couple using it) in a few days

timegating prepatch gear is very funny

[vestal notch]

yeah

prepatch should be for gearing 50 alts in a week

[fair iron]

i miss this rtb iteratoin and this wa for it :*(

[stuck sparrow]

basically 8 weeks of log in an hour for mount sale

log right out

[lime lake]

why is this dude riding xuen

[vivid vessel]

1h to kill 2 bosses?

skill issue bro

20min a week

[stuck sparrow]

i think we actually reclear the whole place

for some reason

[vivid vessel]

really

why

you can skip and only do last 2

are you guys ok

[stuck sparrow]

idk prob depends on the buyer

[random stirrup]

i was 8 mins late to one of our raid nights and they were already 3mins into dimensius kill pull

[vivid vessel]

no shot you get buyers that want a full clear

that doesnt exist

[vivid vessel]

xdd

[stuck sparrow]

well im yapping since

we didnt clear last week

[vivid vessel]

GG

[stuck sparrow]

"too many ui issues on release day"

blizz never took away my 2 socket belt

though

[fair iron]

you guys remember the Nighthold patch breaking literally everyone's WAs? good times for raiding

that was their bomb testing

[stuck sparrow]

i could catalyze my plexus belt to be slightly better

but afraid of losing the socket ngl

[vivid vessel]

you dont lose sockets when you catalyse

[stuck sparrow]

yeah but you also arent supposed to have 2 sockets

on a tww belt

[vivid vessel]

you have 2 sockets ?

what de helly

[stuck sparrow]

before they hotfixed

the squish didnt account for old belt buckles

[vivid vessel]

im reporting you bud

[stuck sparrow]

not squishing correctly on max level

[glass mortar]

wtf this guy sockets

get socked zac

[stuck sparrow]

also let you put old enchants on weapons

[glass mortar]

[stuck sparrow]

wonder if bfa 15% attackspeed enchant would have been better....

[glass mortar]

did they ever fix the vers embellishment tech

[stuck sparrow]

yes

[glass mortar]

they musta that one was beyond broke

[frank finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yy8Uri2YazY

freshly baked

[glass mortar]

speaking of baked....

if this is too bug abusy feel free to delete it @gaunt phoenix but this shit is hilarious to me and its prepatch so figured id link it

https://x.com/luxthos/status/2016275019958030699?s=20

Luxthos (@luxthos)

Use at your own risk, but if you target any player and click the Dornogal portal in the Pre-Patch area, it will teleport them instead of you.

X · Jan 27, 2026, 10:19 PM

[indigo token]

so

hows prepatch

i havent been playing

[lime lake]

its so funny

lmfao

[prisma stag]

Anyone have issues with the cooldown manager import from wowhead?

[random stirrup]

@buoyant stratus need you to sandbag more thanks

[sturdy cargo]

my patchwerk sim is 16k, how bad is my gear?

[glass mortar]

|| apparently it works on npcs too ????? ||

[lime lake]

ok that one im not willing to do lol

[peak dock]

we still not using cold blood ?

or is it fixed?

[low glade]

hey guys

👋

[keen pilot]

Ooooh so that what happened to me

[frank finch]

that was me on outlaw

my bad

[buoyant stratus]

ermmm

that aint it chief

[buoyant stratus]

oops

[cinder relic]

LOLOL

[frank finch]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1qoj9jy/echo_has_a_working_weakauras_clone/

need this asap

[civic void]

Well you might be waiting for a while

[frank finch]

[copper radish]

TLDR: we are keeping it for ourselves 😂

[vivid vessel]

yopu cant read

[copper radish]

It’s a joke rager

[vivid vessel]

jokes are supposed to be funny so idk

[copper radish]

“This addon doesn’t do anything sneaky” must mean it does lmao

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt ?

[copper radish]

Hey Zac

Fuck you

[vivid vessel]

from the video you can see what they are doing already

idk why you have to assume things

it doesnt do anything sneaky there is already 2/3 addons that do the same thing

[copper radish]

Bro you gonna need blood pressure meds u keep playin this game lmao

[vivid vessel]

cd tracking not related to the cdm

im not mad ?

you are just saying shit

[low glade]

https://tenor.com/view/chud-raging-brutal-gif-26817427

[vivid vessel]

and im correcting

[low glade]

im not mad

[copper radish]

Yeah exactly lmao

[vivid vessel]

?

[copper radish]

Bros smashing keys I can hear it

[vivid vessel]

eh whatever

you are legit the biggest kid in this server

write random shit then act like a spoiled kid

twitter conversation

[lime lake]

zac gonna make sure vancleef gets mooted soon

[vivid vessel]

2 random braindead jerking each other off

cringe to see idk

[frank finch]

am i one of the two

[civic void]

Wouldn't be much of a loss, no flame of course

[copper radish]

Bro violates server rules the way he talks way more than I’ve seen anyone else get away with it’s actually incredible lmao

[lime lake]

im out

[vivid vessel]

and you just yap random bullshit and cant handle when you are told what you are saying is bullshit ?

[low glade]

i just want both sides to have fun tbh

[copper radish]

Whose not handling it well? Lmao

[vivid vessel]

you acting like a child cause i told you you were wrong ?

like i legitimally tried to explain to you

[copper radish]

How so? By calling out facts?

[vivid vessel]

waht the addon was doing

and you just started acting out

what even is this

[vivid vessel]

what facts

[copper radish]

Example one. R word is banned on this server and u make references to it all the time. Type of shit like this. 🤷‍♂️

Idc what u say but when there’s rules there’s rules

[vivid vessel]

what ?

you know why the r word is banned bro ?

[copper radish]

I don’t need to explain it any further if you don’t get it

[vivid vessel]

i can still call you stupid

that is no way related

[past falcon]

in what world does the r word cover every single kind of disability

[vivid vessel]

to the r word

braindead bro cba

i legitimally

tried to explain to you

what the addon was doing

and you just acted out

[copper radish]

?? The fuck you still talking bout the addon for can’t read sarcasm and jokes smh

[vivid vessel]

stop saying everything you type is sarcasm bro

if it is then stop typing ?

[low glade]

yooo haha what do we think of outlaw guys haha?

[thorn parrot]

Ya'll this is wild, maybe let's walk away and let the discussion resolve.

[golden barn]

It’s just a game

Calm down for real

[frank finch]

💀

[loud garden]

https://tenor.com/view/zerocool-gif-5472975689631546553

[lavish shoal]

what the helly

[thorn parrot]

What trinkets have ya'll found to be effective for M+? Sigil and Antenna still?

[chilly atlas]

why my fury warrior play faster than outlaw and does massive more dmg 🙁

[golden barn]

It’s pre patch?

[chilly atlas]

yeah, true

[low glade]

i mean, outlaw is considerably slower on beta as well

i think that's just the name of the game now unforch

[golden barn]

Yee, think that was the goal

[cinder relic]

cuz its prepatch

[chilly atlas]

id prefer a rogue spec be broken honestly

[cinder relic]

Outlaw and sub look really good atm on beta

[chilly atlas]

well in a positive sense

[cinder relic]

fwiw

[thorn parrot]

Amen Clap

[buoyant rampart]

Someone choose my destiny should I play outlul or surv hunter

What is most fun

(and competitive pls)

[thorn parrot]

You and mean are the same person Chimp lol

[chilly atlas]

id have to feel what outlaw feels like after gear and more talents

[glass mortar]

@cinder relic is there a deadlock thread? Holy fuk the new champs look so good

The designs of this game are so unique

[mighty pivot]

in #1113805668625944656

[glass mortar]

Oh thats how you see threads you didn't join

Wasn't working b4 thanks

[stuck sparrow]

survival wont ever be the competitive hunter spec

unless its way overtuned above the other two

[glass mortar]

ur about 3 months too early to be asking for which spec is most competative

play what u find fun

survival generally is not a very wanted spec unless its very overtuned since it competes with two of the most mobile ranged dps tho

outlaw at least is just competing vs two other melee specs

[stuck sparrow]

mage

[glass mortar]

not to say its wanted more often then survival if we are honest

[stuck sparrow]

answer is always mage

[glass mortar]

mage aint a spec

[stuck sparrow]

tbh if you stress being “competitive”

[glass mortar]

pick any pure dps class and ull be competative

[stuck sparrow]

and limit yourself to onetricking a 3 dps spec class

[glass mortar]

if u pick a single spec then u will never guarentee being competative or even good in the long run. maybe for a season

[stuck sparrow]

ye

[glass mortar]

thats always been the way tho, and both hunter and rogue are pure dps so

either works, just find what u find most fun

and if u love survival but hate mm and bm im not sure id recommend commiting to hunter

but also all the specs mentioned are probably going to be competative in whatever form of content u are doing if its not the wfr so

[wicked kestrel]

Am i fried is it weird tot rack the roll the bones stgages

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[wicked kestrel]

idk im trying to track what stage im on to use keep it rolling

[vivid vessel]

ye its just the buff

rtb

i thinkk there is 2

one is useless

the other is the rtb buff

with the stages

[wicked kestrel]

ohhh okay

so use kir if Sinister Strike (stage 2 is active)?

sorry im slow brain too

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

stage 2 or higher

[vivid vessel]

unless you have loaded dice ready you can try a reroll

if you are on a 2

[glass mortar]

or will have loaded dice for ur next roll

[vivid vessel]

myabe you get a 3 !

[glass mortar]

thats a comfort thing tho

other then the opener where its gaurenteed (with prep)

how do u feel that kir is basically just rng reduc now zac

holding it for 30s in the opener with prep is so poggers

[vivid vessel]

litteraly everything midnight is accidental

[wintry solar]

Ikr it's awesome

[wicked kestrel]

what actual buffs are yall tracking?

[mossy herald]

wow thank u awang for cool combo pointer

[pastel sierra]

RtB, loaded dice, opportunity

[vivid vessel]

Rtb, loaded dice, bf, ADR, opp

[wicked kestrel]

well im super glad i asked i had WAYH to many LMAO

[quaint mauve]

!awangui

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-gif-25783770

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-cat-smol-small-ragey-gif-26398063

[covert kestrel]

Show us how many

[low glade]

!zacui

!awangui

[mighty pivot]

!zacAI

[strange kelp]

Do you actually track BF? I assumed we'd use it basically on CD for cp gen and dmg

[vivid vessel]

ye its important

if you are like on 2/3/4 targets

we wont be pressing it on cd

you will want to press it last possible moment

[strange kelp]

Ah true, thanks

[wintry solar]

Beep boop bop

[radiant wyvern]

maybe im crazy but to me this cat gif has always looked like he's wincing in pain from being squeezed by the person holding him and im always sad whenever i see it

[vivid vessel]

someone holding him ??

whatdehelly

[covert kestrel]

Or pooping

[wintry solar]

He's just evil. You can tell because it's red behind him

[radiant wyvern]

yeah hes being held in someones hand in the vid, in someones fist and theyre holding him up to a camera

[vivid vessel]

wtf

i thought he was flying

like its the devil cat you know

[radiant wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HDkCxLg4CmE

[vivid vessel]

wtf

the actual video

thats crazy

[bright crane]

dude

game iis legit not playable rn

ive dc'd 5 times in 15 minutes

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[static geyser]

How much of a DPS loss is not paying attention to Thistle Tea? Like just letting it use it on its own as I drop below 30 energy?

[haughty moat]

none, just ignore it

[smoky lotus]

would be good if it could be toggled autocast, but yeah its a passive as far as anyones concerned

[static geyser]

Cool

[wintry solar]

FB bug is fixed in prepatch

[undone notch]

Is Fatebound worth using in M+ now with the changes?

[wintry solar]

No

Apparently it was fixed a couple days ago

[lone spear]

the 4-5% is annoying, its just on the threshold of too good to be preference

[untold wadi]

what a terrible mechanic

energy regen is already scuffed

now u cant even take any control

[gaunt phoenix]

That was silently sent to prepatch a few days ago

At the time of the pin

[covert kestrel]

Solo hittin em with the "per my last email"

[wicked acorn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk what to put here

i guess wangbar

[brittle pelican]

do we need to track the new apex talent in any way?

[wicked acorn]

Anyone know of any rogue profiles using cooldown centered?

[gaunt phoenix]

nope, it's just an ace proc

[brittle pelican]

tight

[thick vigil]

Wangbar

[keen belfry]

Not until I fix some stuff

[fathom bramble]

mentions of improved cooldown manager and arcui maybe

not sure about any other tools that really fill the void of WA

not a lot of good sources for actual profiles though

[warm raven]

maybe could put peoples edit profiles and such in there yeah

[untold wadi]

no wonder its impossible to find outlaw gifs

look at these abhorrent tags

rogue is just over populated w some fortnite spam

[daring yoke]

arc ui saved my ass. my brain just dont work if i cant have some icons to be hidden if its cd lol

[keen belfry]

Yeah some Archie profiles would be good baseline stuff

ARCUI

For a commmand here

[craggy barn]

why is sensei's combo points slow

do i have to refactor the entire secondary power bar system to fix it

[keen belfry]

Ayou need to use unit_power_update, I based my addon off of better cooldown managers

Just use bcm for now and wait for wang bar updates

[warm raven]

senseis slow?

I haven't had any issues

[keen belfry]

It’s slower than others

[warm raven]

strange I've had literally zero issues

I'll fuck around with others

[keen belfry]

This is a frame so it looks more drastic than others but here are 3 combo point addons

[ripe ibex]

awang cp generation tool

[keen belfry]

Sensei is middle, this is directly after pressing a finisher

[keen belfry]

Will update name to this

[warm raven]

the other 2 are?

[craggy barn]

nah im doing my own shit

[keen belfry]

I would bet that senseis is usually fast enough but the combo of delayed double sinister strike + slightly slower co adddon is gg

[craggy barn]

i dont have weak auras to tweak so im fucking around with stuf myself

[keen belfry]

Try forking his shit then

I wonder if you could easily update it to just use unit_power_update

[craggy barn]

ill see

just looking at the code makes me want to refactor so much feels so weirdly organized

[keen belfry]

It wasn’t the greatest code I’ve ever went thru, but it wasn’t bad

[craggy barn]

ive gone through both BCDM and senseis

bcdm has some redundancies and unused lines

[keen belfry]

Why don’t u just become a wangbar code owner

My computer is broken until tomorrow

[craggy barn]

what are u paying with

[keen belfry]

Vibes

[craggy barn]

also idk if i want to touch your wang bar

[keen belfry]

It’s banger

But it’s not letting people hit escape sometimes

No why

I might know y but no pc so oh well tomorrow we get pc back form micro center surely!

[tender wedge]

You mean esc key just stops working?

[keen belfry]

Let me see the exact wording

[gaunt field]

i log on today been a hottt minute no 100 percent ar uptime any more

[keen belfry]

They couldn’t open an menu in wow basically, after closing my addon

[gaunt field]

and why is my gear so low level

[keen belfry]

30% ish

[gaunt field]

and why and why

[keen belfry]

New norm

[gaunt field]

but but

my 100 percent key uptime of ar

[keen belfry]

They have made outlaw a basic builder spender spec now

[gaunt field]

i was more happy about that then being top dps

no bte spam

they have a cap of unseen stacks aswell

and no pvp trolling with killing spree

waaaaaaa

[craggy barn]

i think i have it working

side by side with bcdm and its the same now

[gaunt field]

whats our apm about

are we still button mass im messing around reupdating i crashed

[keen belfry]

You really notice it with pistol shot and AR

I had a screenshot where BCM was at 5 and sensei was at 3

Look at this

This exact screenshot inspired me to make an addon, no cap

[craggy barn]

yea it looks fine on my end

[gaunt field]

what addons still workeed i heard they try make less addon based

[keen belfry]

Banger

[gaunt field]

wa evui ?

[craggy barn]

give me a sec to record i guess to prof

[tender breach]

have you tried ARC UI? its the closest to WA and with great feedback from the author and he is implementing more WA goodies every 2-3 days

[craggy barn]

i use arc for cds

arc for cds, senseis for resource

[keen belfry]

I use ARC too

Good addon

I hear people talking about Blizz gonna nuke that addon

No clue if there’s any validity to that claim tho

[tender breach]

Im a boomer so I use Ice hud for resources - enemy casts

[white wolf]

Arc litteraly plays by their rules it would be a cheap shot to the whole community making it shut down

[craggy barn]

bleh too big i think

[keen belfry]

Just go from by frame and see if u can see a difference

[gaunt phoenix]

about 67

[keen belfry]

And put senseis og addon in their

[keen belfry]

Yes but it allows stuff other addons haven’t done yet. Like I said, I have literally no idea if Blizz is okay with it I just see randoms saying arcui might get cooked

Like if it never got banned I wouldn’t be surprised, if I got banned tomorrow I’d be like sure

[tender breach]

Arc is using what blizzard offers

[gaunt field]

lmfaoo

[gaunt field]

i lile that

[craggy barn]

idk if it reads well from a gif

[keen belfry]

It looks good

[tender breach]

and Arc is 1 man project proving that WA team was just trying to headbut blizzard and lost

[keen belfry]

Maximous loves Arc

[craggy barn]

im just gonna fork senseis and pull request i guess

[keen belfry]

Arc was chill in the enhance disc, he helped me with some enhance questions!!

[white wolf]

may I ask you what are those red missiles coming from your back ? I've not tried outlaw extensively yet

[craggy barn]

mark of the satyr

i snaged it before they fixed it

[white wolf]

ok ! ty

[tender breach]

I love Arc cause I wouldnt play the game otherwise. Its not cheating putint the icons where ever I wish on the screen or hiding 1 zillion useless icons cause my brain gets cooked trying to see the right ones

[white wolf]

that and the fact that bar cooldowns and stacks allow for deep customization without breaking the rules is fine

[tender wedge]

I’ve been having this issue after exiting the BuffReminder addon menu as well. If that helps at all

No key binds work until I manually click menu button then all is ok again

[keen belfry]

Good to know, ty I’ll look and see if he or she fixes that

I have an idea on how to fix mine

[tender wedge]

Maybe you can help them 🤣

[stuck sparrow]

does coup icon not glow for you guys anymore either

[stuck sparrow]

is this arcui

[craggy barn]

ye

arc for cooldowns
sensei's for resource bar
unhalted unit frames for unit frames

[brittle pelican]

oh sick, wangbar lets you color the CP individually

bless

[stuck sparrow]

i was like, dont think regular cdm shows yellow borders around procs

[inland meteor]

Am I dumb what are those red daggers flying towards the target? Is that a trinket?

[craggy barn]

the neck ench

old ass ench

[inland meteor]

Neat never seen that

[craggy barn]

i applied it right before it was hotfixed

it does very negligible damage so dw about it

[inland meteor]

Yeah but it looks nice

[tender breach]

I use Ice hud for resources + combo points and tracks also enemy casts I need for the kicks. Its light has many options and has the curve bar I like

[prisma lantern]

Hi all, do you track some debuffs in the nameplates if ennemies?

Of

[craggy barn]

for outlaw? not really

[prisma lantern]

Yes for outlaw

No need tô track unseen blade when play trickster?

[gaunt phoenix]

You should see the mobs that have it

Usually when prio targets are dead and you're just picking something to hit

[prisma lantern]

How can i see him?

[gaunt phoenix]

Platynator Jundies profile is one way but the default icon is a bit small

[prisma lantern]

Ok ok thx 🙂

Can we filter the debuff in the target?

[warm raven]

is there a good place to source some good platynator profiles?

[prisma lantern]

Because hard to see a debuffs with all the other

[gaunt phoenix]

Probably though i havent seen any other debuff

perhaps the profile already filters poisons or w.e

[inland meteor]

wago probably

but you can check out the luxthos platynator profile

[balmy topaz]

@gaunt phoenix Have you got some talents for me I can yoink for beta

[quaint sable]

Now that ravenholt mint is fixed on live is fb competitive with trickster or is it still a bit behind?

[gaunt phoenix]

It was silently fixed a few days ago so the pin is latest news

[gaunt phoenix]

It's in faq

[rotund zodiac]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[rotund zodiac]

What addons are we using now since WA is dead?

[patent mirage]

all of them

[jade crag]

Tbh any that lets you edit the CD manager is really all you need, just because the default is ass

[reef ruin]

Where's zach

[jade crag]

Something to edit nameplates too, like plater

[patent mirage]

try platynator

[rotund zodiac]

alr

[patent mirage]

elvui works too or unhalted unit frames

[lime mist]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[rapid spoke]

Can't get rid of clicking vanish habit lol

[potent ore]

what addon makes the glows?

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[warm raven]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveWoW/comments/1qoj9jy/echo_has_a_working_weakauras_clone/

[tender breach]

@warm raven I cant find the install files anywhere to compare it with arc ui

[patent mirage]

its not public as it seems to be

[civic void]

It's not public, this preview is old (things have changed since) and it's likely never being used

[grim spear]

oh gg

[wicked kestrel]

Is thjere any reason to play fatebound in m+ over trickster?

[patent schooner]

morning folks, im a returning player that stopped at dragonflight exp, since when our RTB got reworked?

It was on midnight pre-patch?

[hollow ferry]

yes

[covert kestrel]

@keen belfry the escape problem is not with wangbar my buddy and I were getting it yesterday without wangbar

[patent schooner]

Thx mate

[wicked kestrel]

Is there any reason to play fatebound in m+ over trickster?

[covert kestrel]

right now no in midnight yes as of current tuning

[radiant wyvern]

if you hate killing spree yes

[wicked kestrel]

I dont mind it honestly. feels awful to press yes. but its better than some other classes. lol

[balmy topaz]

I’m dense sorry

[potent ore]

is Elvui as demanding as it has been before?

[vivid vessel]

This is one of the most horrendous UI I have seen all time

[mighty pivot]

rare time where zac isn't exaggerating

[gaunt phoenix]

Let him cook

[jolly geyser]

Da hell

[exotic gale]

agree with zac

[balmy topaz]

Zacs such a hater

Have you seen the Russian sub rogue

His bars are all over the fuckin place

[prisma lantern]

Hi all, why are we playing killing spree only with trickster?

Thx

[mighty pivot]

he has to nerf himself to make it fair for the rest

[nova sinew]

trickster uses it to get disorienting strikes, but by itself it isnt a strong talent

[prisma lantern]

Ok ok o understand

Thx

[proven ocean]

Wtf is that ui

That ui is why blizzard banned weakauras

Looks like some chinese mobile game

[obtuse schooner]

Hello fatebound is still bug ?

[cinder relic]

Nop

But trickster is still better

[strong halo]

So I haven’t kept up with beta in like 2-3 months I heard we were buffed last week? Has the playstyle changed at all?

I saw Zac’s stream a couple of times it looked mega slow compared to live

[hallow yacht]

hi any addons similar to kui nameplates or atleast option to show combo point on nameplates?

[inland meteor]

platynator can show combopoints on nameplates

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel do you update your ui?

[low glade]

!zacui

[past falcon]

will do dirty things for !zacui

[wintry solar]

Can't wait to wake up and play outlaw

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-splash-puddle-rainboots-rain-gif-15870064002701527804

[keen belfry]

Hmmm I think solo was able to 100% replicate

[modern quarry]

could you pls tell me where you got this screenshot? 🙂

[vivid vessel]

i will

im just waiting for addons

to be finished

rn its a mess

• i dont really have anything to do on prepatch

so i have no reason to login

it will be done for midnight

[jolly geyser]

midnight in 1month right?

[vivid vessel]

soimething like that xd

[jolly geyser]

[civic void]

It was from RLE, I don't remember if Reloe sent it or someone else ngl. But I imagine the message was from Norsken discord

[modern quarry]

makes sense, thanks

[vivid vessel]

i mean its been doing the rounds

since yesterdays

no one will ever know who took the og screenshot

[civic void]

Time to make my own and copyright it

[keen belfry]

I took it

[vivid vessel]

no it was me ?

why you lie wang

[molten mason]

is there any good outlaw guides? trying to get into the spec

[vivid vessel]

#outlaw-faq

[covert kestrel]

The one and only

[upper hawk]

I asked an AI to write a guide for midnight

https://giphy.com/gifs/matthew-broderick-war-games-fuck-yeah-the-80s-Q3Li1BpwTpTfq

[keen belfry]

Srry

Zeross hasn’t paid me yet

[covert kestrel]

does he pay you in barrels of crude oil

[keen belfry]

I hope
So

[proven torrent]

Hello, is it still possible to track the Outlaw buff since some addons no longer work ?

[quaint sable]

what is "the outlaw buff'?

[covert kestrel]

roll the bones is a single buff to track with 4 different rolls that can be tracked with the cooldown manager

[upper hawk]

i had to keybind a macro to shout jackpot on 4 rolls since WA can't do it automatically anymore

luckily i now have plenty of free keybinds

[vivid vessel]

outlaw didnt lose any bind tho

[covert kestrel]

ghostly strike

[proven torrent]

i mean when u use roll the bones (sorry it's been a long time i didn't play outlaw i was on assa last time i played) u needed to track each differents buff to know if you need to roll again or keep the buffs up

[covert kestrel]

the spec got reworkd

[proven torrent]

about that

[proven torrent]

oh ok mb

[covert kestrel]

check out #outlaw-faq

[past falcon]

rtb got reworked, its pretty straightforward now

[proven torrent]

and someone did a topic about all addons still usefull for midnight and specifically for rogue ?

[upper hawk]

well right now vanish got put ins a much less prominent spot and ghostly strike is gone and keepit rolling is gone

[quaint sable]

KiR isnt gone?

[covert kestrel]

imagine not playing kir

[vivid vessel]

but vanish is still a bind, gs is gone but you have prep instead, and kir is still here?

[upper hawk]

i take none of those talents rigth now in the aoe build

[vivid vessel]

good for you i guess

how are you gonna do it when you take them tho

if they arent bound

[quaint sable]

Also we gained BR

[keen belfry]

Huge build today

Gonna save outlaw

[vivid vessel]

i mean br has always been a bind

[past falcon]

i just macro'd my 5 big booms to kir

[keen belfry]

Yes but huge build today

[past falcon]

although.. now its only 4

[keen belfry]

Gonna save outlaw

[quaint sable]

Since df I have removed it and now readded to the bind it had back in SL

[keen belfry]

Have you bound the huge build today?

That’s gonna save outlaw

[upper hawk]

guess i'll just replace killing spree with kir later on

press each one about the same amount anyway it feels like

[quaint sable]

What if u play both?

like trickster st can play both

[upper hawk]

st? que?

[quaint sable]

Single target

[upper hawk]

i equip two daggers for single target

[quaint sable]

Aah...

But then u cant press dispatch?!?!

[vivid vessel]

he means he plays assa

[quaint sable]

I got that I was being facetious

[upper hawk]

we all know what we all mean. we've gone down a long path for the original joke of not being able to WA a chat bubble to a proc

prob not worth

[frail veldt]

Imagine not having enough binds

[haughty moat]

thats a real problem, if youre not playing with keyboard

[upper hawk]

imagine using the phrase "imagine <whatever>"

[round spindle]

Imagine all the people, sharing the whole world

[zenith egret]

apart from the DF helm enchant, is there any strange enchant we can put back on stuff with ilvl change ?

[proven ocean]

moo

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668218401033814038/1445896194164527184/moo.webp

[frail veldt]

Imagine

[cinder relic]

U can get agi on gloves

[radiant wyvern]

meow

[radiant wyvern]

is it still possible for player tooltips to show their target

[narrow blaze]

Hey folks, did I understand right that I have to play trickster in prepatch m+ ?

[frank finch]

no but trickster is ahead atm until 12.0

[frail veldt]

No one is making you

[covert kestrel]

im going for title in prepatch so i have to

[rocky canopy]

yo have yall seen this survival hunter boomstick button

am i tweaking or is this just killing spree but 10x better in every way

[clear barn]

Best race for outlaw animations?

[vivid vessel]

night elf

wait no

void elf

night elfs are the big feets right

void elf ye

[coral onyx]

tauren

[keen belfry]

Imagine if Blizz let us choose racial

[desert tendon]

any other answer than vulperinos is wrong

[frail veldt]

Night elf for sure

Or undead tbh

They have the sneaky hunched over stance

[vivid vessel]

no thats the big feets ones

you want void elf

[eternal hound]

Is outlaw using vanish still?

[lucid stirrup]

isnt belf just void elf but less edgy?

[vivid vessel]

its the same

tho i think the colors looks better on void elf

void elf is kinda just belf but modern

[craggy barn]

yea but umbric sucks ass

[eternal hound]

all of wow's characters kinda do

[craggy barn]

yea but umbric sucks more ass

[frail veldt]

Why you lookin at their feetm

[crimson spade]

Hi there! is there a way to correctly sims the boot with 50% procs on raidbots ? (I don't have it in my stuff)

When I sim with gear compare, my boots HC with 40% sims higher than the 170ilvls one. this suggest the 50% reshi stuff isn't taken into account

[leaden sonnet]

Dont use gear compare

Use top gear

[crimson spade]

uhm how since I don't have the 170 version in my bags ?

[leaden sonnet]

Add it

In the "add item" box

[crimson spade]

nvm got it

thx!

[keen belfry]

When is the new build today

That’s gonna fix outlaw

[zenith egret]

What should I trust for the 30%+ haste req ? The 32 or 26 ?

[keen belfry]

@mighty pivot

[mighty pivot]

dunno usually it's like 3-4 hours from now

[keen belfry]

Thank you

It saves us right?

[gaunt phoenix]

32

[mighty pivot]

yes outlaw will be fixed with today's build

[inland meteor]

do u personally guarantee it

[mighty pivot]

yes popo (the new outlaw dev) promised

[fathom bramble]

put in your predictions now

[keen belfry]

First guess

[inland meteor]

ok thats good enough for me

[keen belfry]

Is there gonna be a rogue note?

[craggy barn]

its not a guarantee until u change ur discord name

[keen belfry]

Fef can u confirm it’s my addon that’s causing escape issue

[inland meteor]

whats the escape issue

[keen belfry]

Oh it was someone else

[inland meteor]

besides that one white combo point ive had zero issues so far

[keen belfry]

Hm

Wait it was solo

He did edit mode adjust height and stuff closed it then couldn’t escape

[inland meteor]

let me try

[gaunt phoenix]

Open edit mode and then double click wangbar

[inland meteor]

and then esc doesnt work to get out of edit mode?

[gaunt phoenix]

it becomes hidden and then all menus stop working

[inland meteor]

oh yeah

[frank finch]

yea but how do i close the gap between energy and cp

[inland meteor]

if you double click the combo points that happens

wang bricked my wow 😠

[gaunt phoenix]

bricked up

[radiant wyvern]

get wanged kid

[inland meteor]

first he brick his psu now he brick my wow

whats next

[potent ore]

so night elf stonks go up abit because of all the haste reqs?

[keen belfry]

Is the double click doing anything?

[inland meteor]

i can record a quick vid if u want to show you what happens

[keen belfry]

Ye

[inland meteor]

after edit mode closes and the messages in chat appear esc doesnt work anymore

this happens after you double click on the combo points

[keen belfry]

ONLY when that happens? Like if you just edit the size and such in that panel it’s fine?

[inland meteor]

yeah that works fine for me

only when you double click the cps it breaks

[vivid vessel]

awang are you not using libs for the menu and shit

[keen belfry]

Weird

[keen belfry]

Can I do that? Idk how to do menu shit at all

[vivid vessel]

well its more that you should

rather than you can

[keen belfry]

Ok I will

[vivid vessel]

so these things dont happen you know

[keen belfry]

Will

[vivid vessel]

idk what libs you should be using tho im a bit clueless but im sure you will find

[keen belfry]

I’m a bit clueless too

Is there a learning addon coding class anywhere

I didn’t like just opening other Aden’s and reading their code

Addons

[vivid vessel]

https://github.com/p3lim-wow/LibEditMode

you might want to use this one tho since you are already kinda doing that

its what sensei addon does you know

how its fully integrated in the edit mode

tho i personally hate the edit mode ui but

[craggy barn]

yea its just convenient

addons using edit mode ui in some capacity i mean

bcdm half assedly uses it which is kinda funny

[keen belfry]

Yes I think edit mode compatibility is good

But needs X/Y coords

[craggy barn]

is there an enhanced edit mode addon

[inland meteor]

there is edit mode expanded but i never used it

so idk what it does

[vapid blaze]

whats your addon called awang

[keen belfry]

Wangbar

[vapid blaze]

ty

[brittle pelican]

do we coup as soon as it's up or do we hold and finish at regular CP rule?

[keen belfry]

I like finish coup at whatever combo point you are at, unless u can BF or AR

But I’m unsure if it’s a gain or less or neutral

[gaunt phoenix]

coup is not strong enough to change finisher rules it seems

[vivid vessel]

[graceful rover]

What’s everyone thought on outlaw. I usually heal and need a sick dps

Between Hunter or big ass juicy rogue

[gaunt phoenix]

it aint perfect but i still like it

[vivid vessel]

its bad but every other spec in the game is worse

thats my take

[craggy barn]

what do u normally heal as

[proven ocean]

So if we listen to zac’s take

That means outlaw is the best spec in midnight

[inland acorn]

not gonna lie, playing outlaw without sounds for PS procs and some others

[craggy barn]

yes

[proven ocean]

Lets goo??

[inland acorn]

Is cheeks

[proven ocean]

Bbb

!!!

[vivid vessel]

its possibel to make an addon for that tho

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/668218401033814038/1445896194164527184/moo.webp

[vivid vessel]

i just havent made it yet cause im a bit lazy

[craggy barn]

zac refuses to release the files

[inland acorn]

who can i pay for it

[vivid vessel]

and im not playing live

[inland acorn]

I'll legit pay someone for it

[vivid vessel]

honestly im kinda waiting for an alternative to weak aura

that let us share small scripts

like i could make it an addon rn

[fathom bramble]

weaker auras 🤔

[vivid vessel]

but a whole addon for that kind of things is very cringe

so idk

[craggy barn]

echo has weaker auras

!

[vivid vessel]

like imagine

[graceful rover]

I heal on the main four Druid shaman pally priest whatever is the meta and the second best

[vivid vessel]

rn i would need an addon for ps sound, an addon for sub cp resets sounds, an addon that add sound to killing spree

its 3 addons

with legiot 3 lines of code each

if it was a weak aura shared instead

so ye

[graceful rover]

So like last season I jumped between shaman and druid and wanted to play like a main dps just not sure which one

[craggy barn]

nows a good time to try stuff

[upper surge]

Yeah but now you don't have to install WA so that's -1 addon!

[graceful rover]

That what’s I’ve kinda been doing. Dk was fun last season but like it’s straight chaotic. My buddy usually mains hunter so both of us playing it feels unfun lol

[vivid vessel]

-1 addon + 15addons

worth it

[upper surge]

Gotta spend money to make money zac

[vivid vessel]

also trhats just the little fun spec things

but like

i need an addon for data texts

an addon that add ilvl and enchants and shit in the player frame

an addon for cr cd

an addon for the key timer

an addon for when people die i have a sound

[fathom bramble]

how about the fact that you have to combatlog everyting in order to have a functional meter

[vivid vessel]

like its legit + 15 addons in the end

[upper surge]

Gotta spend money to make money zac

[fathom bramble]

that's kind of -1 addon

[vivid vessel]

idk im still using detials

[inland meteor]

this shit pisses me off to no end, how is that not default yet

[vivid vessel]

just cause blizz details is ugly af

[fathom bramble]

I mean I have details but it's almost never helpful

can't view shit in it anymore

[vivid vessel]

sure

but you can open it

the blizzard thing is toxic cancer ass

[fathom bramble]

I'm combatlogging dungeons now

[vivid vessel]

ye

i mean i always did so

i guess that doesnt change

just another thing blizzard ruined

for fun

[fossil lintel]

So uh, for someone coming back, what add-ons are you guys using? I keep seeing people talking about Wang bar in here

[craggy barn]

dont touch wangs bar

[fossil lintel]

Zac are you fiddling with Wang bar? Does it feel good?

[vivid vessel]

unhalted unit frames + better cooldown manger

[vivid vessel]

not yet

because thats another addon for just cps

xd

[chilly atlas]

im mostly using arcui and sensei, but i'm going to reevaluate when they finalize this shitshow]

[fathom bramble]

sensei for energy/combo points
arcui or better cooldown manager for cooldown manager improvements
dejacharacterstats for character panel

[inland meteor]

how does better cooldown manager compare to arc ui? is it better? i hate arcui settings menu

[vivid vessel]

im kinda just waiting for a few months still

[fossil lintel]

Does it make the CPs look good? Default UI with those circles are terrible

[vivid vessel]

its the same but better cdm doesnt do bars yet

but its the same

[inland meteor]

ok

[vivid vessel]

also arcui didndt do cps last i checked

so

but you can do the same with both addon

rn

[fathom bramble]

yeah you need sensei or something alongside it

[inland meteor]

yeah im using wangbar alongside it

[fathom bramble]

but arcui is working on it and considering their customization options for other bars it should hopefully be good

[vivid vessel]

i like better cdm cause it does everything you need to do for it other than the bars (but the bars are coming)

[fathom bramble]

or we can all wang

[fossil lintel]

Can you show me your wang...bar?

[vivid vessel]

and better cdm is made by unhalted