outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

that doesnt happen

[bright cedar]

look at this, 0 drops if I don't use flurry

that said, 0 drops and 0 dps

but yeah, outlaw confirmed unplayable for me on Beta until blizzard fixes it

same for sub cause of nimble flurry...

[cobalt token]

Hmmm

It's like

I might listen to your advice

I might not

[gaunt phoenix]

freedom

[radiant wyvern]

to be fair, hitting 7 extra targets is a MASSIVE amount of aoe that no other classes can even achieve, so having fps drops from hitting so many mobs is very understandable, i think we should give blizzard a break on this bug that has existed for longer than a month

[bright cedar]

fair fair

small indie company

[cobalt token]

I feel like that's missing something but I can't figure out what

[bright cedar]

and this is a small amount of mobs, my tank decided to do a lot more on a +15, I was literally doing 5fps

[glass mortar]

Maybe if they nerf bf by another 5% it'll fix the framerate issue?

Thoughts @vivid vessel

[bright cedar]

I was desperately trying to get out of puddles

and I just could fucking not

game was giving up on me

[untold wadi]

you would think they would program it to only lag after 8 targets

[glass mortar]

The numbers its doing are simply too high

Game can't handle it

[untold wadi]

that'd make more sense

[cobalt token]

Welp I didn't know theres alerts built into cd manager

Imma just do that

[untold wadi]

deinsentivize you from going any higher

[cobalt token]

😭

[cobalt token]

Yet sub is stronger somehow

As per usual

[frail veldt]

Is the bladeflurry fps bug only on beta not on pre patch?

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems so

[frail veldt]

Weird

And concerning haha

Beta is supposed to be newer build right

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[faint pendant]

I mean newer in terms of features but not stability

[mighty pivot]

do w****e

[wintry solar]

Busy

[daring oxide]

Thanks for the pins @gaunt phoenix

Wow interesting changes to BF

[gaunt phoenix]

np

true

[daring oxide]

I hope our ST is gonna be meta

[vivid vessel]

np

[vivid vessel]

💀

sure hope we have the best st in the game with a big margin with that bf ratio

otherwise this spec is kinda donezo

[frail veldt]

were gona be so broken

just you wait

theyre gona overtune us

all to spite you zac

[wintry solar]

I know I would

To spite Zac I mean

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i hope they do

this spec is legit non existent if its not overtuned in current state

[fierce summit]

sup folks, on Beta how ppl are getting this wep here:

and the abyss sabre as well

[vivid vessel]

you are now as squishy as assa and have no aoe ?

i mean

gl if you aint overtuned

[austere mantle]

so sims are working? and how much unbuffed haste do we want? Since alacrity gives us +3% haste, are we aiming for ~22% haste?

[tender wedge]

That’s kinda how it does for all rogues specs to be fair

No raid buff or useful unique utility, gotta rely on that dial

[austere mantle]

do we not provide poison for debuff? (therefore raid defensive, like paladin aura?)

[tender wedge]

I mostly mean for m+, but I’m also pretty sure that atrophic is the raid buff you care about the least

[cinder relic]

Its still v good

[regal jungle]

how's outlaw feeling post the changes? was debating coming back to it after an expansion off

[austere mantle]

better than not having it, no?

[vivid vessel]

the other 2 specs arent target capped, have cooldowns, and have actual aoe not 25% bf

[tender wedge]

Don’t worry Guy I’m not a hater

[tender wedge]

Sure outlaw has the worst spot of the 3 but the other 2 aren’t much better. Although not really sure how sub goes these days

Is assa execute still the best?

[vivid vessel]

i mean its the only spec with execute or wdym

from the game no

[tender wedge]

Or at least right up there

[vivid vessel]

idk sub and assa been better basically every season

[tender wedge]

With other classes I mean

[vivid vessel]

even s2 when outlaw was "op" after the bf fix you could argue for assa being better

[leaden sonnet]

Numbing is good for m+, but yeah no aoe blind is sussy

[vivid vessel]

we still have aoe blind for now so idk

who knows

20s aoe blind xdd

[tender wedge]

Actually that is quite nice, forgot that still works

[austere mantle]

can anyone help me with my question pretty plz

[tender wedge]

Nah mate we’re too busy talking shit on the spec who’s channel were in

[vivid vessel]

just sim cuh

[austere mantle]

yeah something ive learned this xpac is rogues hate themselves

and every rogue spec is greener

[vivid vessel]

we want around 30% haste

but just sim the gear you have

[austere mantle]

are sims working now? if sims are working i'll fuck off and go do math myself

[vivid vessel]

its kinda whatever tho its prepatch right

ye

they work

[austere mantle]

stonks, i'm out

https://tenor.com/view/ninja-turtles-teenage-mutant-tmnt-gif-14586095

[gaunt phoenix]

alacrity is on your stat sheet so you just have it

prepatch wants over 30% haste most likely

beta maybe between 20 25

[vivid vessel]

2026 buddy

[gaunt phoenix]

haste is strongly influenced by energy and autoattack scaling to kinda remains good for a bit

[vivid vessel]

its january almost february already

[austere mantle]

ok so while the GCD reduction for ADR is 25%, we want more for comfort/ease of use? (b/c i do cocnur energy rn is ROUGH)

do I prioritize hitting 30% haste first or do I follow sims?

[gaunt phoenix]

sim should be fine

[austere mantle]

gotcha

and yeah it's prepatch, doesn't matter that much, BUT for the next 5 weeks my guild is doing myth reruns to get everyone mounts, so i do actually want to contribute, and I find outlaw fun again

[daring oxide]

Thanks Zac

[daring oxide]

Can only hope

[desert tendon]

Np Zac

[low glade]

really enjoying menacing rush ngl

[vivid vessel]

Why

What does it do lol

[desert tendon]

ye what is that

[low glade]

makes me feel like i have a damage amp teehee

[vivid vessel]

ADR is a damage amp

Like 15% or smth idk

[desert tendon]

more likke

[low glade]

well that's the talent

[desert tendon]

not having adr is a damage loss

[low glade]

really fwing with shindigg as well

bro has extremely chill vibes

[vivid vessel]

that you dont control

kinda the worse of both world

xd

[desert tendon]

bad amp but you dont decide when it is

[elfin mural]

!addon

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats fine

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-splash-puddle-rainboots-rain-gif-15870064002701527804

[lime lake]

[wintry solar]

This negativity will not effect me

[pastel pendant]

What if they reduced the cd on adr by half and made it last 20 seconds like it did previously dude outlaw would be so much better

Why don’t they do that

[glass mortar]

they reduced its uptime significantly on purpose

that would make it like 100% uptime again

[pastel pendant]

What’s crazy is fury war has a much stronger cd battery/avatar on a 45sec cd with odyns an that’s a way better cd lol

[glass mortar]

well yes outlaw isnt supposed to be a cd spec

your damage doesnt really spike

[pastel pendant]

But now it’s just a dumpster spec

[glass mortar]

i mean it still does flat damage

[pastel pendant]

Becuz the cd u press doesn’t last

And it’s not even that good

[glass mortar]

sure but it doesnt matter you do more damage everywhere else

AR has never been an impactful cd

[pastel pendant]

Fury war dos more dmg in without cds lol

[cinder relic]

what

[glass mortar]

if thats the case its just a tuning issue

[pastel pendant]

Ok if it’s not impactful then make is last longer or reduce the cd

[glass mortar]

you do know its effective cd is only 45s right

[pastel pendant]

If it’s not impactful why is it a 3min cd an lasts 15 seconds lol

[cinder relic]

Its not a 3 minute CD

[glass mortar]

you have 30% uptime on it

[pastel pendant]

No way u me getting it down that fast

Ur

[glass mortar]

yes

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[past falcon]

have u played outlaw

[glass mortar]

you cast it on average 1.5 times a minute

[past falcon]

go hit a target dummy my dude

[cinder relic]

No he just wants to say how terrible it is every few hours

[pastel pendant]

Bro you have 30%up on adr

[glass mortar]

the average cd of ar last season was like 30 seconds

[pastel pendant]

Compared to b4

[glass mortar]

its much longer then it was

its still like a 45s cd tho

keep in mind thats on average

its completely random so it could be shorter with good luck, could be longer with bad luck

[wintry solar]

Have you checked his chat log? Lol

[glass mortar]

but its never a 3m cd

[wintry solar]

It's literally that

[pastel pendant]

You had triple the amount of uptime on adr last ssn

TRIPLE

[glass mortar]

yes you had 100% uptime

they did not want us to have 100% uptime

so they nerfed it down to 30%

[pastel pendant]

Yea they’re clueless

[glass mortar]

probably means they arent going to give it back anytime soon tho

[wintry solar]

I would've aimed for like 40 or 50 but that's just me

[glass mortar]

same

[pastel pendant]

These devs have to give us something

[glass mortar]

thats what i remember it being prior to crackshot usually

but w/e

[wintry solar]

Pre crackshot was like the golden uptime for adr imo

[pastel pendant]

Fury war has a much stronger cd on a 45sec cd average with anger management

[past falcon]

ok

[pastel pendant]

Make adr like battle cry

[fathom bramble]

I don't understand why your simultaneously talking about us not having a good CD

[glass mortar]

we are not fury warriors

[pastel pendant]

Make is a short cd

[fathom bramble]

and then asking for us to have no CD anymore

by making ar 100% uptime

[pastel pendant]

Yes mak adr 100 percent that would be so sick

That’s how it was

You can’t have high apm without adr

[wintry solar]

A very common misconception

[pastel pendant]

Doesn’t matter how much haste u have

It’s slow

Without adr up

[glass mortar]

they wanted it slower

unfortunatly all the things u hate about the changes they did on purpose so

probably not gunna recover from any of it for a very long time

[wintry solar]

I can't imagine anything like uhuh ever happening again

[glass mortar]

upping adr uptime to even 40-50% would increase apm and feel nice and help with energy as well but

im sure we'll get real iteration one day

12.3 its outlaws turn

[wintry solar]

No see Weran they're culling all the specs because we're getting borrowed power again in TLT

[pastel pendant]

You know what it feels like playing outlaw rn it feels like I’m leveling a char and I don’t have my talents yet to change my gameplay

I feel like I’m playing a level 20 rogue

That’s how outlaw feels

[glass mortar]

ye thats pretty much everyone tho pretty rare for specs to not feel like that rn

blizzard wanted this

[pastel pendant]

Screw blizz

Hacks

These devs are monkeys

[cinder relic]

If this is literally all ur gonna do in this discord u probably shouldnt be here

[wintry solar]

That's not nice :(

[vivid vessel]

bro you cant be running down my name like that

I have a reputation to hold

[fathom bramble]

this is like the 4th time you've compared us directly with new fury

and I have to wonder if you have actually tried fury yet

[pastel pendant]

Yea I play fury war now

[fathom bramble]

because it is worse than this version of outlaw in basically every gameplay sense possible

[pastel pendant]

I rerolled

[wintry solar]

Cool

[pastel pendant]

Nah fury is actually fun lol

[wintry solar]

https://discord.gg/skyhold

Here you go

[fathom bramble]

meaningless filler
nothing interesting going on with procs
only 1 thing to spend your primary resource on
no secondary resource

I genuinely just can't understand why that's better than law to you

[pastel pendant]

But fury feel satisfying to play pressing execute and rampage it’s simple but fun

Outlaw is simple and boring

[cinder relic]

[past falcon]

he joined ravenholdt 5 days ago lol

[cinder relic]

Fury is like Outlaw rn, except with less going on lol

[fathom bramble]

oh

[cinder relic]

Which I mean, Idk, I like fury too

[glass mortar]

i mean if u find fury more satisfying thats good fury definitly has even less going on then this version of outlaw rn tho

so idk why u feel like that

[pastel pendant]

How

Dude outlaw is a builder spender spec

And it’s slower

[glass mortar]

it is certainly not slower

and so is fury

[pastel pendant]

It’s lower apm than fury rn

Without adr

[fathom bramble]

that's simply not an accurate statement

[glass mortar]

you know outlaws base gcd is 1s regardless of ar right

furies base gcd is 1.5s

[pastel pendant]

Well why does outlaw feel slower

[glass mortar]

because you are used to it being much faster

it is now a similar speed to fury

[fathom bramble]

unless you are playing in prepatch with exclusively haste gear then MAYBE you can approach outlaws base apm

[glass mortar]

it used to be ~20% faster

[pastel pendant]

Yeah outlaw used to be way faster than fury

[cinder relic]

Fury is also a builder spender spec

LOOOOL

[pastel pendant]

Yeah it is

But it’s fun to press those buttons

[cinder relic]

[pastel pendant]

Outlaw rn is the downtime rotation

[cinder relic]

Idk I have fun pressing BTE

[pastel pendant]

All the time

[cinder relic]

and blade rush

[pastel pendant]

Yeah but u don’t even press it that much it never resets anymore

[wintry solar]

It's been like that for like 80% of it's existence

[vivid vessel]

tbf guy yoyu dont need much to have fun

[pastel pendant]

And u don’t vanish and crack shot anymore

[vivid vessel]

tho let it be clear

i do not agree with zach !

im my own zac

[pastel pendant]

Yeah bte is fun

But u rarely even get to use it now

Dude

Becuz they ruined the Sox

Spec

[glass mortar]

outlaw does have some downtime especially in long sustain combat now, ur not rlly supposed to have much in regular gameplay

fury has no downtime even with bad rng so i understand that

it has a no cost no interaction filler

[fathom bramble]

no downtime thanks to having a pointless filler to spam

[past falcon]

fake zach could never have zac’s takes

[glass mortar]

yea i mean it gives u a button to always press to keep the gcd rhythm going idk i dont hate it

[fathom bramble]

it's just not interesting to be spamming a filler that doesn't do anything

having a filler that does literally nothing is the thing I hate most about fury probably

[glass mortar]

oh you never spam it fury never has that much free time

[silk dirge]

Fake Zach probably draws the life out of every room he is in

[glass mortar]

unless they ruined it i rarely remember WWing in ST when i played fury before the patch

[fathom bramble]

well not 'spam'

[glass mortar]

its just like if u get bad rng

[fathom bramble]

but you know

[pastel pendant]

Fury’s fillers are more powerful than outlaw lol

[glass mortar]

i mean if u get bad rng as law u just afk so

idk i dont feel either way about it

[fathom bramble]

what does powerful mean

it doesn't do anything

[keen belfry]

I like this Zach guy he kinda says nothing but a lot

Reminds me of me

[pastel pendant]

Execute procs are fun to press

[wintry solar]

If we were eased into this throughout the expansion it probably wouldn't be so rough for some people

[pastel pendant]

There’s nothing fun to press on outlaw anymore

Rampage is fun to press

[past falcon]

my dude why aren’t you doing this in skyhold

[cinder relic]

I mean like I said, I like fury, but fury is like, the definition of pointless filler

[wintry solar]

He's exactly like the guy I get to fire this monday

[cinder relic]

and I love it for that but

[fathom bramble]

execute procs don't even come from anything..

[cinder relic]

It is like, theres 2 buttons in warrior that """"feel impactful""""

[fathom bramble]

they just arive randomly

[pastel pendant]

Everything that made outlaw fun they ruined it

[fathom bramble]

with no input you can take actually giving you more or less of them

[covert kestrel]

I didn't like new outlaw but this zach fella is gonna make me main it just to spite his takes

[fathom bramble]

actual demon proc

[wintry solar]

[glass mortar]

i think it stacks up to 2 doesnt it its fine

[wintry solar]

Suppose to be a react oops

[pastel pendant]

How am I wrong there’s no way any1 actually likes outlaw rn

There’s just no way

[glass mortar]

i mean fury has more procs to react to then outlaw at this point loktark idk how much shit id fling

other then overselling fury

[covert kestrel]

Zach when he finds out about subjective takes

[glass mortar]

i think u might just be enjoying playing a newish thing since blizzard poopood on ur favorite thing, and thats fine

[pastel pendant]

Fury is 100%more fun to play rn than outlaw it’s the sad truth I hate to say it becuz I loved outlaw

[fathom bramble]

it's the kind of proc I hate the most. it's not connected to your input and just randomly happens after any spell or often from simply autoattacking

[glass mortar]

they are fine as long as they stack

idk if it actually has 2 charges

probably doesnt and its stinky

[covert kestrel]

Link your logs

[fathom bramble]

the icd I think means you would never actually waste one

I just don't like the inputless output style procs

[pastel pendant]

Look me up

[fathom bramble]

procs should come from something

[past falcon]

you’ve mentioned fury 12 times today

[glass mortar]

its an rppm proc i believe so u shouldnt waste them too often anyway

[past falcon]

i can’t

[pastel pendant]

Ciado-storm rage

[past falcon]

i get it bro u wanna play fury 😭😩

[keen belfry]

The people who didn’t like previous outlaw (the majority of humans that have existed) like it, it’s just us real outlaw players that don’t like this new outlaw lil cuh

Like this outlaw blows cocks

[covert kestrel]

Your rogue not warrior

[keen belfry]

But so do every spec in the game

[pastel pendant]

Yeah this new outlaw blows big one

Phenibut-art has

[covert kestrel]

You played law for one season let's calm down with the life changing dooming

[pastel pendant]

Yeah but it wa the best ssn

I’ve ever played

[wintry solar]

No, Season 2 was the best

[keen belfry]

Art has beauty.

[pastel pendant]

Well I didn’t mplus then

[wintry solar]

S3 was so garbage. Literally no one played

[pastel pendant]

I wish I played outlaw back then in def

Df

[fathom bramble]

yeah outlaw might have lost more than some of these other specs, but when fury started so low outlaw is still better

[brave lagoon]

S2 was goated

[past falcon]

S2 🥰

[fathom bramble]

trying fury after how much everyone hyped it up was the biggest waste of my time

[wintry solar]

S2 was insanely fun

Easily my favorite season since the rework

Not even contested imo

[brave lagoon]

I despised undermine but loved the spec

[keen belfry]

Yup, a 10-6=4 while others were at 7 that lost 4and became a 3

[wintry solar]

I loved it all

Except

Ks

[past falcon]

i miss killing spree

[keen belfry]

S2…..

[fathom bramble]

yeah like outlaw is still in a fun state(imo), but some of these other specs that I already didn't really like are just yikes now

[brave lagoon]

old KS was a way of life

[keen belfry]

Stfu riddict

[past falcon]

i still think of her…

[past falcon]

make me bro

[keen belfry]

🫦

[fathom bramble]

old KS made that entire season insane

[brave lagoon]

yelling DON'T PANIC in discord as I accidentally press KS at the same time the boss targets me with a frontal and the whole squad scatters

[past falcon]

agreed

[fathom bramble]

and somehow still fun

and then KS got reworked into the 2nd worst skill we have ever had

[past falcon]

old KS made me have to actually know those dungeons in and out, still was bs half the time but i absolutely have nostalgia lol

[covert kestrel]

My healer would know to focus me because I would just quietly say "...oh shit" when I did a bad ks

[brave lagoon]

LMAO same

[fathom bramble]

dying to the stagger simply not workign was definitely something

[brave lagoon]

"oh shit I'm dead"

[wintry solar]

Old KS also broke roots which was great util when you needed it

[runic gulch]

I remember having a “please keep me alive” yell macro attached to my S2 KS

[cinder relic]

I think the adage of "everybody's main is unplayable but everybody's alt is so much better" remains true

[past falcon]

yeah but you could soak all 5 stacks in priory with killing spree ❤️‍🔥

[wintry solar]

All 3 of my mains should be meta in all content forever

[vivid vessel]

and then you die

[fathom bramble]

it's easier for alts to be new and fresh for sure

and since this version of law is mostly a trimmed down version of older versions there's nothing new and fresh going on

[keen belfry]

Rememeber looking forward to vanish coming off cd 💔

[fathom bramble]

at least they didn't implement any actual nightmare talents

so outlaw can remain simple and fun

[frank finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKerwoh5F_Y

solo shoutout

and guy

[keen belfry]

Did he shoutout awang?

[frank finch]

lol

[keen belfry]

Is that a yes?

[brave lagoon]

I did a streets earlier and had vanish up and available to cancel the interrogation on first boss it felt great

[wintry solar]

At least this version is a lot easier to iterate upon without crackshot taking the spotlight

[covert kestrel]

When is wangbar coming out then you get shoutouts

[keen belfry]

Awaiting curseforge review

No clue how long that takes

[glass mortar]

doesnt that force it onto someone else

[keen belfry]

Yes

[glass mortar]

[brave lagoon]

it didn't

[fathom bramble]

imagine if crackshot was proper borrowed power and we were rotating into a new system that actually added to the base though

[brave lagoon]

idk but it didn't

[glass mortar]

its like an 8s cast to

i remember always having vanish up for that before

[brave lagoon]

I cloaked the first interrogation, vanished the 2nd, and the boss just turned around and got back to slapping the tank

[glass mortar]

but u had to delay it so u didnt fuk over ur team

[keen belfry]

When I would cloak it but then instinctively press vanish and then it would just target me after >>>

[glass mortar]

maybe they changed how it targets

[brave lagoon]

I'll upload logs and check I guess

[vivid vessel]

nah he just recast after

[keen belfry]

Stfu Zac

So toxic

Be positive for once

[cinder relic]

Hey that's the guy from my guild

[vivid vessel]

but vanishiung is fine tho

[fathom bramble]

I think I miss borrowed power

[vivid vessel]

if others can get out

[fathom bramble]

stuff actually rotating in for new mechanics every expac

[frank finch]

oh right he joined gn i forgot

[vivid vessel]

bro guy thats so funny

gn finally got a rogue main

[keen belfry]

Good Zac

Way to be positive

[vivid vessel]

[cinder relic]

We always play double rogue

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-memes-pregnant-gif-26528786

[keen belfry]

I think I’m gonna do a solo trip to France this year

Can you house me?

[vivid vessel]

same

no

[keen belfry]

Alright

Guess I’ll just get murdered

[covert kestrel]

marseille!

[vivid vessel]

i was born in marseille

thoughts

do you say at or in

i was born at marseille

in marseille

[keen belfry]

Sure I’ll go

[wintry solar]

I def do. If they'd just stop making acquisition so damn cringe, it'd be looked upon more favorably.

[past falcon]

in marseille

[cinder relic]

Noobs hijacked the convo crazy style around borrowed power

[fathom bramble]

for sure

[cinder relic]

Borrowed power is so essential for games like this

[fathom bramble]

though I mostly didn't mind borrowed power acquisition except like legion legendaries

[past falcon]

i like aix en provence

[cinder relic]

Bfa sl goat

[keen belfry]

English please

This it outlaw channel

[wintry solar]

Fated in SL is how you should've acquired from the start

[keen belfry]

Not not English outlaw channel

[fathom bramble]

they tried to evolve borrowed power away from tiergear and people decided they didn't like it

and now we just have boring tiergear as our borrowed power

forever

[wintry solar]

Borrowed power was also pretty creative

[brave lagoon]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/WAFq7QZwVP4BvhpJ?fight=last&view=replay&phase=1&hostility=1&position=271923
idk man he just stops and goes back to slapping tank after I vanish, he casts interrogation at 4:32, then never recasts after

[glass mortar]

eh

it was a mix of things

[fathom bramble]

it let them experiment with mechanics that you might not otherwise ever see

[glass mortar]

it wasnt just that people hated borrowed power it was for several expacs in a row blizzard did primarily borrowed power

[keen belfry]

Maybe he was just tired of being evaded

[fathom bramble]

since there was no harm in just nerfing a legendary a ton of it was a problem

[wintry solar]

Not all of them obv but a lot more creative than what we've been getting as talents

[glass mortar]

like maybe ur class got minor reworks or things in alpha/beta

then u sat with the same design the entire expansion

and just had borrowed power

sometimes for multiple expacs in a row

modern blizz doesnt do that tho

[fathom bramble]

a ton of our interesting talents are former borrowed power

[glass mortar]

they could do both

[fathom bramble]

remember that ace everyone is cracking out over ?

literally just an azerite trait

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Refilled less CP as well

[past falcon]

borrowed power: return of kyrian steward except this time it pistol whips your target

[wintry solar]

Or about the same idr

Dude I miss my little owl fella

[glass mortar]

people really just wanted more changes to baseline specs and less borrowed power they def pulled back on it too far tho

[fathom bramble]

Refilled 4 but our max was 5/6 and we got 1 from ruthless so it put you at the finish condition anyway

[glass mortar]

yea even when it was a azerite trait with no real synergies and could only proc 1 time per bte it was more interesting then live ace hows that feel lok

we undesigned this ability

[keen belfry]

Imagine this borrowed power: pressing BTE gives you a 6 second window of BTE with no cd. 2 charges

[past falcon]

imagine this borrowed power: fast grapple is returned to us

[cinder relic]

Ideally borrowed power lets the devs make specs really dumb for awhile, and then swap it out for new, equally dumb shit

[keen belfry]

I don’t like that wording

[cinder relic]

But peoples perspective on borrowed power was just "I'm losing something fun every expansion"

[wintry solar]

The dream

[cinder relic]

Which is like, fair but ppl just see glass half empty

[wintry solar]

I mean I get it

But like

Cuh mon

[cinder relic]

I mean thats what I liked about that era of the game, Legion, BFA, Sl

Specs were super dumb and then there would be a reboot period where it builds up to new dumb shit

[keen belfry]

Imagine this borrowed power: KIR = +1 to expected rolls

[daring yoke]

Fuck why do i miss crackshot so much 😭

[fathom bramble]

Crackshot 2 charges, 120 seconds cooldown. For the next 6 seconds BTE has no cooldown and deals x% more damage.

[brave lagoon]

cuz it brought the crack

[keen belfry]

Because you are now playing a version of our spec that’s just filler

[wintry solar]

It only became "filler" when crackshot came

So let's call it

The rotation of fun times and happiness :)

[vivid vessel]

not true

sl outlaw had 10 times more going on

that what we have rn

[cinder relic]

truth atom bomb

[wintry solar]

I'm speaking generally

[vivid vessel]

lets not rewrite history

[brave lagoon]

god I loved late SL outlaw with kyrian shadowdust

[keen belfry]

I think it did a good job of being a spec you can play easily

[past falcon]

mmm tornado trigger

[keen belfry]

Bad

[wintry solar]

Manifesting dopamine for you <3

[fathom bramble]

borrowed power almost always gave that extra little bit of spice on those older iterations

this like sl law without legendaries or covs

[wintry solar]

Ye

[fathom bramble]

which is still fun to me

it just could be better

[cinder relic]

agreed

[wintry solar]

Agreed

[brave lagoon]

it's missing the spice

[wintry solar]

40%-50% uptime should've been the mark but 30% is fine

I guess

[covert kestrel]

All dopamine gone from law 🙁 where do I get now, fulfilling long term life goals that bring myself happiness after hard work and commitment that improve me to the man I know I could be yet I never make progress towards each day when I look in the mirror, instead looking at funny distractions and investing time in meaningless hobbies for short term gains but fill my life with ever increasing regret as the march of time relentlessly pursues forward?

[past falcon]

player housing

[wintry solar]

Idk man

[brave lagoon]

get a dog they bring dopamine

[keen belfry]

Who has a good house

[untold wadi]

TWW pvt servers

[wintry solar]

As my old CO use to say, "figure it the fuck out"

[brave lagoon]

and equal part frustration but that's not worth mentionning

[covert kestrel]

This is my dog

[crude anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-jimmy-butler-meme-butler-paper-gif-14735317248936290425

[wintry solar]

And also "please hesitate to come to me for issues"

[brave lagoon]

Headphone warning

[keen belfry]

Can yall remind me to bring in my bag from car tn

[past falcon]

ya what time lil cuh

[brave lagoon]

[keen belfry]

Like 20

[wintry solar]

Does it drop when you ask it?

[brave lagoon]

I had that exact same ball but blue

[fathom bramble]

yeah

[wintry solar]

Sick

[fathom bramble]

he is trained to drop things on "trade"

[wintry solar]

So its not the exact

Same

[brave lagoon]

got me there

guess I'll go steal his ball to make sure it's the same

[wintry solar]

Just teasing

[wintry solar]

My dog listens to "down"

"Down" and "off"

And "wait"

[brave lagoon]

mines listen when I have treats to trade

[wintry solar]

Lolol

[vivid vessel]

My parents got a new dog

2 days ago

This is the dog

[brave lagoon]

aw

[keen belfry]

Do French dogs bark different

[wintry solar]

Get replaced idiot

Lol

[vivid vessel]

ye

they ouaf ouaf

instead of woof woof

[wintry solar]

Le woof

[brave lagoon]

next thing you know he'll run off to the neighboring farm and herd all the cattle to your parents yard

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/get-rotated-get-rotated-idiot-rotate-rotation-shark-gif-24511062

[fathom bramble]

perhaps the 3 most important commands

[wintry solar]

She learned those 3 in like a day btw

[fathom bramble]

big smart

[wintry solar]

Yeah I was shocked

[brave lagoon]

all joking aside they're well behaved but I'm not really pushing for perfect obedience

[past falcon]

my last foster dog (border collie) learned to sit at crosswalks and wait for my cue like within the first two walks ugh she was so good

[brave lagoon]

they know enough for me to be happy

[wintry solar]

Yeah same, mine just perfectly obeys for some reason.

And now I look like a control freak to guests lol

Dude chill out

I'm gonna teach her to ring a bell when she needs to go outside

[fathom bramble]

if they are smart you can hang bells from the door and they will just associate the noise with the door opening pretty quick

and then you just open the door if they ring the bells to go outside

[wintry solar]

Damn that's smart

I need some of that brain juice of yours if you don't mind.

[brave lagoon]

one guy I play with has a husky too and his is so opportunist he'll yoink anything you leave unattended for 5 seconds on the table/countertop I can't believe my eyes everytime it happens lmao

grabbed half a pack of bacon we'd turned our back on for 10 seconds I couldn't even believe it lmao

[past falcon]

@keen belfry bag

[keen belfry]

ty

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/briankik-turn-around-hedgehog-mrbond-gif-24320492

[wintry solar]

What a distinguished gentleman

[cinder relic]

Holy yoda tier list

DEMO Z TIER

[gaunt phoenix]

ZEMO

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/black-gif-27226797

[frail veldt]

Is Z good?

[wintry solar]

Well yeah

It's Ze best

[frail veldt]

I have that it's convenient

[frail veldt]

I have a bordercollie mix they're so ridiculously smart

She turns off the lights for us when we go to bed hahaha

[daring yoke]

why theres no outlaw

[cinder relic]

THink its just of the opinion every expansion that "Rogue is bad"

and then rogue ends up being "decent or sleeper OP"

[random stirrup]

wait this looks a lot like tww3

just missing fdk

[past falcon]

theyre my fave breed 1000000%

[frail veldt]

They just want a job

They'll do whatever you want any time of the day

[fossil lintel]

Rogue is generally bad unless it's damage is overtuned though, unfortunately

[frail veldt]

fate of a spec with a weak raidbuff, weak cc, and no group utility

[fossil lintel]

Exactly

So pre tuning adjustments "rogue bad" is the most likely correct statement 😂

They need to give rogue a combat ress, we just bribe bwonsandi

[deep sequoia]

did they fuck up the tricks macro again?

my macro is just bricked now for some reason

[prisma lantern]

Gei all, is It normal o can not see deadly pursuit in the New cooldown manager ?

[untold wadi]

if ur using the weakaura, yea that mf gone kaput

[frail veldt]

theres some alternative macros

/run local n=UnitName("target") or "player" if not InCombatLockdown() then EditMacro(GetMacroIndexByName("ToT"),nil,nil,"#showtooltip\n/cast [target="..n.."] Tricks of the Trade\n/stopspelltarget\n/use dreambound augment rune\n") print("Upd: "..n) end

I use this

if you target a player then click this macro it will write their name into another macro thats titled "ToT"

so you just target the tank at the start of the dungeon/raid and click this macro and then you keybind the ToT macro to your tricks button and youre good

[sonic pawn]

@frail veldt where does that macro actually end surely the augment rune part is irrelevant ?

[lime lake]

dreambound augment rune

holy

[potent ore]

Is it too late to show cat?

[wintry solar]

Never

[potent ore]

She can be nice too, she has 2 specs

[tender wedge]

That’s an excellent cat

[frail veldt]

Yeah you can change the macro to whatever you want within the quotes from show tooltip to rune

[cosmic shuttle]

there is a weird bug on low level rogue where between the eyes floating damage number gets only displayed after the buff on yourself runs out, so sometimes after you kill a mob several seconds later you suddenly see the damage of it. doesnt happen on my main though.

[prisma lantern]

Hi all, is It normal o can not see deadly pursuit in the New cooldown manager ?

[stiff hawk]

You can see a lot more pets here https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1146207476983812117

[untold wadi]

legendary pull

[keen belfry]

look at this beta opener xd

[buoyant stratus]

Crackshot never left

[keen belfry]

i got my sweet taste of crackshot

[smoky lotus]

we need the ace proc counter WA as a full addon now

[wintry solar]

I got 9 resets the other day on prepatch with 2 ace. Just to see what it'd be like of we played how blizz envisioned.

[fathom bramble]

I played without crackshot in a key last night to see what it'd be like to play how blizz envisioned

[wintry solar]

Blizz intended us to keep playing 2 ace though

It's literally in black and white

Black and blue ig

[keen belfry]

us playing 1 ce is so comical

ace

good talent tree

[buoyant stratus]

1 ace, 1 summarily dispatched, no capstone talents in AOE

Its a banger

(Its dumb but its actually rly fun)

[fresh acorn]

Imagine if you didn’t have to ss

[keen belfry]

It’s funny looking at that

Having to build after ace 💀

[frail veldt]

I mean this is our whole rotation

PS at 6 stacks > PS at 3 stacks and 1-3 CPs > SS
Finisher:
at 6cp(or 5 for dispatch as fatebound)
BtE > KS > Dispatch/Coup```

if I take out cds its almost nothing

thats the spec now lol

[keen belfry]

Banger

Huge beta build this week

Implement gameplay

[frail veldt]

our builder spender rules are 2 lines

you could practically make a !rotation command

its that small hahaha

[keen belfry]

And our builder filler rotation is our whole rotation!!

[gloomy trench]

now i havent touched outlaw since uh DF

im kinda enjoying how its being played but I'm stated and geared for sub and I don't feel as if outlaw is performing well or am I just the issue lol

cus of stats & gear?

[tight kernel]

@long barn https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mOD_dqrk_cddW7RBhaYTTOOvUFG5RH-rD0UXQXOgPcs/edit?gid=558120667#gid=558120667 Here you go bud, you wanted the list. Youre line 19. Not sure why you wanted it

[gloomy trench]

what is this?

[tight kernel]

Sorry I dont check my message request often.

[gloomy trench]

oh are these people who boosted and shit?

[tight kernel]

Ye

[gloomy trench]

i didnt know such a thing existed LOL

[tight kernel]

This is like one of the list, theres like a reddit thread on another list

to each their own

[gloomy trench]

oh i see

[hollow bloom]

That list is…wow

[gloomy trench]

i just realizes the guy you pinged is on the list

💀

never understood the point of boosting\

just get gud

such a shit way to p2w 💀

[tight kernel]

He wanted the list so I just replied, I think a couples week late tho. I dont check my messages often

Wait pretty sure he bought CE too LOL brother whats the point of playing the game

[eager minnow]

any idea why ss is grey?

[frail veldt]

its for HO

which you probably arent talented into

[silk stirrup]

Maybe it's not SS and it's a talent with the same icon

[frail veldt]

even blizzard knows theres no reason to track SS without HO/Audacity

[prisma lantern]

Gei all, is It normal o can not see deadly pursuit in the New cooldown manager ?

[balmy topaz]

100% He ain't the rogue that plays in Yoda's guild

[inland meteor]

!wangbar

[mighty pivot]

wangbar

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[wintry solar]

Hi

[balmy topaz]

Does this look right for talents for prepatch m+

wtf is this

[wintry solar]

Yeah that looks about right

[balmy topaz]

THis is dumb af

1 ace

xdd

[nova sinew]

i need your nameplates boss

[bright cedar]

it's basically Luxthos with some changed colors I prefer, but here you go. it's Platynator profile

[nova sinew]

you might be the goat
unrelated but i was also having dogshit fps on outlaw/sub on beta specifically

"just turn off ur addons" owahdow;ahdwa

[bright cedar]

doesn't matter, i tried with 0 addons, nameplates off, combatlog off, I turned off EVERY SINGLE OPTION that could be turned off

my fps instantly dies as soon as I press blade flurry

same with nimble

[nova sinew]

yeah hope they get it sorted

[bright cedar]

i can play with 120+ fps all addons and options and whatnot on any other class

[nova sinew]

surely its just some beta telemetry slowing everything down

[coral onyx]

Was hitting dummies with the singlebutton-assistant and it seems to queue alternating poisons into the rotation whilst the duration has ~59min remaining. Anyone else has this happening?

[quaint sable]

Thats hilarious

[balmy topaz]

What's the % of hiting 1/2/3/4 rolls

I presume 4 isn't 1% like it was for hitting 6 buff

[balmy topaz]

Decent tbf

[quaint sable]

the faq explains all about the new rtb and the talents that affect it

[balmy topaz]

Yeah I need to sit and properly read the changes tbf

ty

[quaint sable]

ye solo did a p good job formatting the info

Tho I di feel I perma get 1 buff if I dont have loaded dice

[balmy topaz]

He always does

I feel like the difference between 2 vs 3 buff is kinda big

But yeah 1 buff is kinda cringe

[quaint sable]

the diff between 1 and 2 is huge

2 and 3 is less noticable

[balmy topaz]

ye I can see the reason why we wait for LD

[quaint sable]

if u roll 1 buff 2x in a row u will just starve on resources

all tea gone and still having to afk

[tribal cosmos]

Damn it

[normal forge]

feels good, ho st build, lots of cp gen

[mighty pivot]

HO's CP generation is almost identical to any SS build

[wintry solar]

your cp gen is almost identical to an SS build

[mighty pivot]

your face is almost identical to patchwerk's

[wintry solar]

[brisk crypt]

is it worth picking up fatebound now to try it out since it seems to be better at 90?

Or should I just stick with trickster for now?

[formal crest]

Is HO build dead? I dont see it even mentioned in any guide

[brisk crypt]

that was my second question lol, trying to find youtube videos on outlaw is like finding a needle in a haystack

[tender breach]

@frail veldt for the tricks macro so I have to save 2 macros? this one and TOT

[normal forge]

probably, because take too many points out from BTE talents sinergy, IMO

[mighty pivot]

#1174378766622015508 message there is some information at the bottom. It's not worth it with the current tuning. HO was nerfed in 3 different ways for no good reason

[wicked kestrel]

any opinions on my stats. do i need more vers

[brisk crypt]

not an answer to your question (cos frankly idk im not clued in enough yet) but holy shit that mog is awesome what are those weapons?

[exotic gale]

legion tw vendor

[wicked kestrel]

Thank you i just randomly thought of it last night lol

Looks really cool when they are sheathed in the back

[fresh orchid]

I love this transmog also and wear it from time to time, something really similar, but it's too magicky for the outlaw so I remove it 😄

[glacial veldt]

Do you KS while AR is up?

[balmy topaz]

Guys how the fuck do I track RTB buffs

[oblique trench]

i use the bar since its written their :x

[mighty pivot]

#1276307559061524652 message (#4)

[inland meteor]

yeah just use cdm buff bar tracker

[balmy topaz]

Yeah this shit is omega cringe

[oblique trench]

well thats whats you get with blizz ui

[inland meteor]

i mean just the icons work too i guess

[balmy topaz]

[pastel sierra]

i just have a big icon

or RtB

and i dont track BF

cause if i need the buff to be up it's also the highest prio generator

[balmy topaz]

Yeah but then

you can min max it

If you have BtE up

going into a new pack

No BF up

lets say

5 secs till off cd

you can use a dispatch

and not use the BtE

And hold BtE til you have BF up

[pastel sierra]

i track the cooldown

not the buff duration

[long barn]

Had to make sure I made it

[balmy topaz]

Yeah but I am on about the buff duration

[desert tendon]

i dont track anything i just count down in my head

[balmy topaz]

It's very niche scenarios

[desert tendon]

[balmy topaz]

You're a sexc man

[desert tendon]

ruby i dont like your pooh

[balmy topaz]

That better?

[desert tendon]

yes

[midnight ridge]

this is my max outlaw flavour tmog 😄

[desert tendon]

the other one is too high quality

not mogging daggers on outlaw in midnight smh

[midnight ridge]

there are daggers bigger than these sabers

[covert kestrel]

we're cowboys now

[fervent garden]

yee-haw

[midnight ridge]

right, niffen hat it is then

[paper rivet]

Is KS worth using at all ? I does such low dmg on an overall run it's sad to see, was wondering if using menacing rush would be better ? Or something else ?

[mighty pivot]

trickster needs it

[glass mortar]

^ only trickster runs it and it's required 4 them

[desert tendon]

how dare you complain about ks, it s a perfect spell since the rework

🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

[brisk crypt]

is it possible to access the legion tw vendor outside of legion tw?

[paper rivet]

Oh i see thanks, i like using it but it hits like a wet noodle for a cap stone talent 💀

[desert tendon]

yea you basically press ks for everything arround ks, not for ks itself

[covert kestrel]

nope gotta wait for it to come around

[covert kestrel]

does mafic even like new ks

[rotund depot]

he flips a coin on how he feels on it at a given moment

def goes back and forth on if its the worst thing ever or if it and prep are the saving grace of outlaw

[covert kestrel]

instead of a blue tracker for new dev notes RH should have a mafic tracker that alerts to anytime they post something new

[rotund depot]

that shit would explode

would ddos itself

[desert tendon]

if anyone likes a channel ability on outlaw i dont know what to think about them tbf

[covert kestrel]

ur right

we need it to be an empowered ability

[mighty pivot]

the funny thing is even mafic doesn't like KS

[wintry solar]

Ninja would know. He's obsessed with Mafic.

[mighty pivot]

just set https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/wow/u/Mafic-emerald-dream/activity as your homepage

[wintry solar]

God I love hamburgers

Wrong server

Keeping it up though as it is not a lie

[mighty pivot]

so brave

[wintry solar]

Thank you

[covert kestrel]

do you think he has a macro for the two surfers

[covert kestrel]

thoughts on big burgers vs smashburgers

[mighty pivot]

he doesn't. If you pay attention sometimes the order of the surfer emojis changes

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/mother-of-god-officer-super-troopers-of-god-gif-16007533

[frank finch]

wangbar out yet?

[inland meteor]

ye its out

[covert kestrel]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/wangbar-resource-bars

W A N G

[frank finch]

😎

[river wing]

I hate two things about new KS

1. current tuning
2. how rarely you get to press it

[desert tendon]

wang bar

[glass mortar]

We r blessed with how inoften we press it tbh

[desert tendon]

i hate to thinkgs about new KS

1. killing
2. Spree

[glass mortar]

Ability is wet dog crap but at least they nuked it so fatebound won't touch it

[mighty pivot]

well if you hate killing, outlaw was great at not doing it in s3

[potent ore]

wanna se my wangbar?

[frank finch]

[potent ore]

tox

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255110288081162311/1374365469884289034/KillingSpreeDawnbreaker.gif

[frail veldt]

Yeah exactly. The text i shared would go in a macro called "set ToT" then you make a second blank macro which you put on your actual hotkey for tricks called "ToT". I don't even bind the first macro I just click it to set the real tricks button

[keen belfry]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/wangbar-resource-bars WANG BAR

(My pc just died so I can’t fix any complaints rn sorry)

[desert tendon]

it's too big, i see too much. Could you make it smaller please?

[frank finch]

https://x.com/thdlock/status/2016024560613654680?s=46

Liquid Thdlock (@Thdlock)

Before, you needed weakauras to track something. But blizzard thought it was bad design to need a weakaura for that, so they killed it. Now, it's baseline, but so bad that you need to fix it with a weakaura. The game is saved.

X · Jan 27, 2026, 5:44 AM

[desert tendon]

THD takes

[desert tendon]

i mean

this is the worst take ever

thd is still, at lest from my maths, 123927012485 times better than half the planet

and he s not even the best

[vivid vessel]

no

its cause he has addons

playing for him

that he can be world first

[desert tendon]

oh true

[vivid vessel]

i would be too if i had the same addons than him

oh wait

[desert tendon]

cause noone else has addons

[vivid vessel]

yes

[desert tendon]

true

[vivid vessel]

only him

[desert tendon]

mb

sorry

i m rusty you know it s been a year out of wow

twitter in 2026

[upper hawk]

i think it's called grox now

[desert tendon]

hope grok is never coming to bluesky

jk i dont care i use neither

[hasty warren]

no

[gaunt phoenix]

[keen belfry]

Find the bugs

Im blizzard

You are my QA

[hasty warren]

not bugs but features

[stuck sparrow]

i like how wangbar is basically

zac's wa

[keen belfry]

the goal was to get that combo point bar back

[desert tendon]

wang bar is better

[vivid vessel]

awang has always been my biggest fan

[desert tendon]

becauyse zac is worse

[vivid vessel]

#1 zac fan we call him

[desert tendon]

that s ez maths as well

[stuck sparrow]

zac about to file a C&D

[keen belfry]

I’m a fan of you blowing up

[craggy quiver]

Wang my bar

[keen belfry]

And dying

[stuck sparrow]

man

i should have tried enchanting the bfa enchant that gives you 15% attackspeed

before blizz hotfixed the old enchants to scale proper again

[upper hawk]

i like this recommended beta build. outlaw must have some banging capstone talents

[gaunt phoenix]

Ye

And they just buffed menacing rush

So you are even more likely to consider it over kir

[vivid vessel]

i like how they buff the boring talents that do nothing

over say buffing ace

so we dont hate our life

[gaunt phoenix]

Or ye we might remove ace now

[vivid vessel]

i mena we are no ?

you said it was the same before buff

so

i guess we legit play the most boring outaw version that ever existed

0 depth

empty of anything

[gaunt phoenix]

I was scared of the result

[vivid vessel]

sim it bud

[stuck sparrow]

i like how gravedigger is basically if crackshot and sepulcher tier had sex

[vivid vessel]

i like how they nerfed ace just so their capstone does something

(the capstone is ace)

[stuck sparrow]

i mean i think they did that with sub too?

part of the capstone is just part of what shadowcraft did

[upper hawk]

that is probably true, but it's wild that it's still less boring than the other 3 specs i've tried since prepatch

outlaw >>> frost > fire = feral > all other specs probably.

[stuck sparrow]

im still not over the high

that was df prepatch outlaw tbh

[vivid vessel]

i mean the whole game is boring so its not hard

[upper hawk]

true enough. midnight has arrived and the game turned into a pumpkin

[desert tendon]

zac

can you say something good about outlaw please

[frail veldt]

And drank during pregnancy

[stuck sparrow]

lmao real

only assa apex is kind of original

even if its kind of boring

[hasty warren]

and smoke surely

[mighty pivot]

@gaunt phoenix suggestion to add that trickster no longer requires fazed on the target for coup to give FF #1174378766622015508 message

[frail veldt]

why does it say we need to track which targets have fazed

does fazed still give us the 5% damage buff?

[mighty pivot]

8% damage boost as a debuff yes

[vivid vessel]

8?

since when

tf

[mighty pivot]

the new trickster talent

[vivid vessel]

classic rogue dev buffing the annoying part of trickster

so its more annoying

[mighty pivot]

I was expecting a talent buffing KS after they gutted it like that

[vivid vessel]

i guess we can only sawp target with ks ready or smth idk

[mighty pivot]

you swap and proc thousand cuts. or are you a noob?

[vivid vessel]

ye mb

[restive obsidian]

you know, I was against crackshot and UHUH on the principle they could find better ways to make AR/BTE spam work without vanish.

I was wrong, never trust this development team

[cinder relic]

what if their goal was to not have "Ar and BTE spam"

[frail veldt]

Yeah I think its pretty obvious blizz thought the fun part of the spec was sinister strike

[vivid vessel]

they dont have a goal tho

xddd

if their goal was to make the most boring iteration of outlaw they achieved it tho

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

but clearly the only goal there was was to remove vanish

thats it

[proven ocean]

i doubt they even gave a single thought to outlaw

no offense but

[vivid vessel]

full offense

noah fence

[proven ocean]

ur trying to give them credit that they dont deserve, guy

[restive obsidian]

if their goal was not to have AR and BTE spam energy wouldn't be tanked

[frail veldt]

I mean in all honesty no sarcasm I think their goal was to make the spec as easy as possible while also maintaining some semblence of outlaws core builder spender loop with minimal downtime

which was their goal for a lot of specs

they wanted the game easier

[proven ocean]

its a cool approach for new noob players tho

[vivid vessel]

minimal downtime but they nerfed energy again ?

[frail veldt]

we were inevitably going to lose some skill ceiling and complexity int hat process

[frail veldt]

Yeah they might just be slightly off the mark there but its close

[vivid vessel]

while we complained about energy all of tww

slightly off the mark

xd

[restive obsidian]

maybe it wouldn't feel like such shit if I didn't stare at my energy for 3+ seconds 3 minutes into a fight

[vivid vessel]

buddy

[proven ocean]

energy nerfs are diabolical ngl

[vivid vessel]

we are taking every energy talent in the tree

[proven ocean]

there's nothing positive about that shit

[vivid vessel]

and we are energy starved

wdym

[frail veldt]

I dont think they see that as a problem

[vivid vessel]

slightly off the mark

i shouldnt be energy starved perma when im taking every energy talent in the tree bro

[proven ocean]

no energy is gonna make anyone playing outlaw feel like a grandma

even noobs

its bad for noobs aswell

idk what they're thinking in that direction

[frail veldt]

I mean you arent starved perma once you get the right haste, fatebound needs like 21% and its gcd locked even outside of adr

[restive obsidian]

every energy talent in the tree AND stacking haste*

[frail veldt]

they def may have overlooked what happens when tea stacks run out though