outlaw

[frank finch]

😠

[vivid vessel]

but what am i supposed to do

recreate an addon

like weak aura

like who tf am I

[fathom bramble]

used a WA from legion pre-patch for my combo points until midnight

the same WA

[vivid vessel]

like making an addon to have cps like this is actually quite a bit of work

and then making it customizablke for people

is like

way too much

so idk

whats the solution there

[keen belfry]

im trying that and its going to be so much less good

and literally probably just for outlaw rogue

so idc

[vivid vessel]

im not gonna spend a full week of work to make a cp bar addon

when you can just use a weak aura

[inland meteor]

get gud and stop relying on WA playing the game for u…simple

simple maths

[keen belfry]

im excited to see if no WA actually increases the gap

[vivid vessel]

careful what you type cuase you are a green leaf so idk if you are trolling or not

[keen belfry]

i think it do

[frank finch]

ok just dm me how to use wa's

[inland meteor]

true green leafers are not to be trusted

I was trolling tho

[vivid vessel]

ok good cuh

[vivid vessel]

no

[frank finch]

dam after i hooked u up to

[brave lagoon]

wee woo wee woo the WA police is here hand over your contrabad

[vivid vessel]

but imagine if someone were to make a branch of weak aura with only the things that worked tho ..

it would litteraly take me months to do that tho i feel like

there is so much

that addon is so complicated

[coarse parcel]

some people will definitely take WA back

but not in prepatch

[vivid vessel]

i mean i dont think so

the addon is massive

its not easy to even just strip down things

that dont work

[wet nest]

People made whole Private servers because they were unhappy

if theyre unhappy enough theyll make a new WA

[fathom bramble]

WA devs said it would b eeasier to make a whole new addon instead of trying to update weakauras to comply

[vivid vessel]

and like there is a lot you could do to update some parts to work aswell but

its a lot

ye

what i miss the most is the frontend

[keen belfry]

custom textures enabled @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

like the display part

you can legit do so much customisation with weak aura but

replicating that

is legit impossible

idk

im not sure what to do tbh

all the little weak auras i have rn, to make them into addons

it takes 10 min of work into legit 10 hours

i kinda ccba

[craggy barn]

adapt persevere overcome

or play deadlock

[vivid vessel]

idk

like i have a weak aura rn

that play a sound when i get a opp proc

but to make it into an addon

is a bit annoying

so i guess i wont share it

[rocky stratus]

is it possible then...

nice

[vivid vessel]

ye it is

[wicked kernel]

might be a dumb question

but when do i press slice and dice?

[rocky stratus]

never?

[vivid vessel]

cause when you pro opp you get 2 combot points even so you can wath that after a ss cast

[rocky stratus]

or they change it idk

[wicked kernel]

wait so u actually dont use slice and dice?

[craggy barn]

nope

its automatic

[rocky stratus]

u have it but u have grand melee

[craggy barn]

when pressing dispatch

[rocky stratus]

its the same

[rocky stratus]

not my first language sorry xD

[craggy barn]

its a rogue passive every rogue spec gains at like level 22 or some shit they added a few major patches ago
ur main finisher (dispatch, eviscerate, envenom) gives u slice and dice at the same combo point level

[rocky stratus]

someone found any cool addons for outlaw in curseforge?

[fresh fox]

so what are ppl doing to track combo pts now 🙁

i miss my was

[cinder relic]

Sensei

Addon that works off cooldown manager

[fresh fox]

ty

[gleaming reef]

Hey guys I keep forgetting to press RtB now since the new cooldown manager doesn’t make it glow when it’s up. How do you guys remember when to press it?

I used to have a weak aura that highlights it when it’s off cooldown.

Same for BTE 🙁

[frail veldt]

well its not like you cant install WA anymore right?

[frail veldt]

nothing you can do really

just keep practicing or try to move the icon more centered on your UI somehow

[halcyon epoch]

Is outlaw still godspeed apm

[gleaming reef]

Used to use weak aura to yell at me

[frail veldt]

its about 25% slower

[frail veldt]

blizz has decided that that is an unfair advantage

[vivid vessel]

i mean the addon cant be installed baseline no

you need to modify some files

also most dont work so

[halcyon epoch]

So still fast, but only about as fast as tanks are

[frail veldt]

wym

oh like itll error af?

[vivid vessel]

not unless you try using stuffs you shouldnyt

but the addon doesnt load by defaulty mewo

[frail veldt]

oh sure

dont you just have to click "load anyway"

[vivid vessel]

bi

no

[frail veldt]

oh weird

[craggy barn]

80+apm -> 67apm

[halcyon epoch]

That seems manageable, thanks!

[frail veldt]

tanks were faster than outlaw

technically

[craggy barn]

paladin was faster than outlaw on a technicality

the otehr tanks not so much

[gleaming reef]

It’s to annoying that pistol shot lights up permanently but everything else won’t.

[frail veldt]

outlaw in midnight will feel similar to like frost DK from TWW

[gleaming reef]

Keeps making me press that when bte or rtb should be up first.

[fresh fox]

can't tellmewhen still track rtb?

or not

[frail veldt]

addons cant track cooldowns no

[fathom bramble]

tanks are weird for APM since a lot of it is from spamming 1 off gcd tank damage mitigation button

[frail veldt]

they can display them differently

[gleaming reef]

Now I have to look for ugly bars

To remember to rtb

And have to spend timing reading if it’s tier 1 2 or 3 roll

Can’t even colour code it so I can just glance.

[vivid vessel]

bro

its color coded

can you gusy stop

[gleaming reef]

It is? Maybe I didn’t notice.

Ok

[vivid vessel]

look at the icon

its a different color

and there is litteraly

[gleaming reef]

I was looking at the bar

[vivid vessel]

1 dice at level 1

2 dice at level 2

3 dice at level 3

etc

like its very easy to see

what the buff is

[gleaming reef]

Ah ok gotta make it bigger then XD

[vivid vessel]

you dont need to be einstein

[gleaming reef]

I just got back.

Still figuring it out

[past fern]

just got lvl 80 with outlaw

autoattacks early does pretty good damage wtf

im having a good time

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel banger????

[vivid vessel]

i have seen better

[lime lake]

damn

[keen belfry]

its beginning to look like your WA!

[past fern]

now make it fill 50% of your screen

[fresh orchid]

who on earth thinks retractable hook should be a talent

blizz pls just integrate

[past fern]

yes

[wicked kernel]

do i cast roll the bones off cooldown always?

[fresh orchid]

if you are lvl 1

[past fern]

xD

you make it sound like lvl 1 character

which would be impossible

[past fern]

The answer is no. Unless you have stage level 1 or less

[frail veldt]

#outlaw-faq

[snow viper]

Lol assisted highlight is banging, pretty funny

[past fern]

not always 100% correct but its decent

it cant really know the exact situation perfectly (obviously) but its pretty good in a vacuum

[cinder relic]

It's still gcd locked

But with less off gcd buttons, and less ar uptime lowering our baseline gcd, the raw apm number is lower

[frail veldt]

that wasnt too bad to fix but yeah I dont think most people are gona do that

nice to have my mouse animation back

[halcyon epoch]

gcd locked? what's that mean

[frail veldt]

and my fps/ping

I think im just gona have to keep WA as well for little things as long as its not throwing tons of errors which it doesnt seem to

[wicked kernel]

aight got it

midnight really making everything possible for mobile wow

[cinder relic]

Gcd = global cooldown, the interval between casts

Saying a spec is gcd locked, I'm just saying that at every global, the spec is pressing "something"

[halcyon epoch]

ohhh, im fine with being gcd locked

i just dont like sunfury fire

wtf was that

[cinder relic]

You do need haste, otherwise the spec is going to run out of resources just a warning g

[halcyon epoch]

how much haste?

[frail veldt]

depends which hero talent youre playing

[halcyon epoch]

in DF survival required 20% haste as well, so i think i would be able to manage

[frail veldt]

and in pre patch we need more

so right now around 33%

[halcyon epoch]

oh shi

[frail veldt]

in midnight itll be around 22% for fatebound and likely a little more for trickster once you have the apex talent

[cinder relic]

33% is way too much, at least for me

It started falling off for me at 30%ish

[frail veldt]

33% is what solo said from the sims for trickster in pre patch

but yeah ymmv ig

[cinder relic]

Around 30%ish

U can just use a bunch of crafted gear, and gems, and enchants to reach it

It shouldn't be that hard tbqh

[halcyon epoch]

30% still sounds kinda absurd

more just curious for offspec potential

ive only ever played sub, so

(roguewise at least)

[covert kestrel]

you can make them glow when ready easily in arcui if you want

[frail veldt]

itll be lower in midnight with apex talents

but yeah its high

[cinder relic]

Sub also wants a mountain of haste now too

And haste is good for sin too

[halcyon epoch]

wtf

[lime lake]

my mom wants haste too

so its great

[tender wedge]

well sounds like im her guy 😎

[ashen void]

Yeah there’s two things my mom always asks me about:

1. is NVIDIA a safe investment
2. how do I get more haste

[fast fossil]

Is outlaw as cucked by downtime as ever?

[frail veldt]

If you get hit with downtime during adr it's gonna hurt a lot

But the chances of that are lower

We're still an uptime spec with no burst

[cinder relic]

You ar a spec that wants 100% uptime (like any dps) still

You still don't have a burst CD

but you aren't a spec that "stops working outside of 100% uptime" like it has been for 2 years

[fast fossil]

Would you say it’s much more similar to bfa play style

[cinder relic]

Extremely so yes

[craggy barn]

i just realized we can mog fully into daggers now
definitely an outlaw

[daring yoke]

how do you guys feel playing outlaw without WA now? i think WA makes outlaw feels good to play.

although on paper theres less to track now, but without WA, does it really feel its easier to play?

[craggy barn]

its fine, just a bit annoying to get any further nuanced info with CDM

[daring yoke]

any outlaw example for this?

[craggy barn]

nothing important to the core rotation

[copper radish]

Undead outlaw with fire pokers? We are so back

[craggy barn]

ive been rocking this mog for so long

cant get perfect skin tone to match pants tho

[topaz spoke]

If I am currently at 5 Combo Points and I get an Opportunity proc , should I Ignore the proc and cast Sinister Strike to reach 6+ CPs (to avoid overcapping CPs)?

[craggy barn]

sinister

[obsidian warren]

Don't wish to be that guy redirect me if i said this in the wrong spot new to the server but how do i track roll the bones now with Weakauras gone? again sorry if nooby of me haha

[craggy barn]

cdm -> bufs -> roll the bones. it turns into the icon of the corresponding stage

[gaunt phoenix]

Enable the cooldown manager in settings > gameplay enhancements

[obsidian warren]

thank you guys so much! best of luck rolling!

[craggy barn]

its not luck, its all skill

😉

[wicked kestrel]

anyone having issues with plater constantly popping up an error saying blizzardui is blocking it?

[mighty pivot]

if you had custom scripts in your plater profile, the culprit is 99% one of those (e.g., stuff which track interrupts)

[wicked kestrel]

yea. im trying another profile to see if that resolves the issue.

[lime plank]

We still run trickster or is fatebound good in M+ As well?

[gaunt phoenix]

they are both within 5% or so, on prepatch trickster is favored, on beta fatebound is favored

[lime plank]

nm just saw the new pin my bad

[mellow nimbus]

other than the default resource blizz ui. Anyone have one that i can have it in the middle of my UI under my character? I don't like the look of it or anyways i can create my own a tutorial maybe?

[tender wedge]

sensei's resourse bar is nice and simple

[keen belfry]

awangs bar is better

spread the news

[pastel sierra]

What do u serve

[keen belfry]

my bar better

[untold wadi]

no border

[pastel sierra]

Was about to say that

[untold wadi]

on points/energy*

[keen belfry]

ooo good call

let me update

[pastel sierra]

Also why you tracking BtE amd zero in as buffs? They wont influence your decisions right?

[keen belfry]

my rtb row ❤️

reminding me of good days

[pastel sierra]

Truu

My tracked buffs are loaded dice, RtB and opportunity

Kinda sad after the nice coloured RtB WA

[quaint mauve]

awang….

i won’t ask again.

[pastel sierra]

If someone glorps all the outlaw icons for me I'll put them in instead of normal dark ones

.. or ill just do it myself actually

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-outer-space-gif-988837663270596515

glipglorp

[hearty stump]

anyone run into an issue of not being able to move bettercooldownmanager up past a certain point

[cinder relic]

Guys it's done

[keen belfry]

here

borders

[untold wadi]

bangin hud

[keen belfry]

awang resource bar > sensei

[quaint mauve]

import code....

importttt

@frail veldt first fluids quiz down

[dull geyser]

im so confused on my stats for outlaw on beta.. someone please help :/

[covert kestrel]

haste good

crit good

[cinder relic]

30% haste for trickster then crit+vers

[dull geyser]

playing fatebound

[keen belfry]

its too much stuff!

[cinder relic]

You should play trickster!

Its better

But if you just dont want to, thats fine, you need like 22%~ for trickster

Thent he rest just go crit/vers

[dull geyser]

everyones playing fatebound and the energy is so nice on beta. ST is goated

[cinder relic]

Oh for beta? Yeah fatebound really good for beta

Ik you said on beta I just suck at reading

[dull geyser]

all good

[quaint mauve]

awang…

https://tenor.com/view/amma-cat-ts-js-pmo-icl-pmo-cat-gif-9038313483801766180

[cinder relic]

either way the haste values are the same on beta/vs live

get 22%ish

[covert kestrel]

good thing we got rid of the tool that allows for all in one ui customization instead of 4 different ui addons

[keen pilot]

But ... Coins....

[hardy steppe]

Man outlaw feels good to play huh. How are actual rogues liking it?

[craggy barn]

not as fun as before
but its not absolute garbage

[covert kestrel]

pretty divisive so far. people who really enjoyed the core outlaw from s3 of DF -> now are not fan that its been simplified and not really dealt with outlaws shortcomings in any way. Others like not being tied to stealth, with a simplified priority list and still crisp gameplay

[hardy steppe]

I just like using my pistol more

[lime lake]

[craggy barn]

idk we arent using our gun as much as before with crackshot being completely rng

[frail veldt]

Ezzzzz is it not as bad as dynamics so far?

[covert kestrel]

we are shooting guns less than before and that is sad

[frail veldt]

Now that you're back to playing outlaw you get hit with the debuff of reading comprehension

[cinder relic]

Literally

[cinder relic]

I love it but yeah fronteir said basically the concensus

[gaunt phoenix]

why are buff alerts possible on beta but not prepatch

[craggy barn]

classic branching

[cinder relic]

If you liked Outlaw from DF season 3 -> TWW season 3, you are unlikely to like this version as its, simple, watered down, basic, whatever other synonym you want to use

But if you hated that playstyle specifically, it's gone now which is the camp that I belong to

[craggy barn]

i cant believe u hated it

our guide writer

hated outlaw

!

[cinder relic]

sometimes u just dont fw a version of your spec

Like at the end of the day, I play rogue right, especially when it comes to progression

and I hated shadowdust

It happens

[craggy barn]

of all the versions of outlaw rogue, this is def not my least fav

[cinder relic]

My least fav was just crackshot

I've liked all the different versions for different reasons

[craggy barn]

my least fav is legion outlaw

[cinder relic]

I like current with the focus on BR, and I like that new KS isn't the worst ability of all time to press (mechanically, damage iw ofc low but that doesn't really bother me). I like all the "modern" outlaw stuff it still has compared to BFA SL, Fan, Ace, New RTB is awesome too.

I liked SL for all the quirky covenents altering playstyles a bunch

I liked the BFA versions for stuff like wits, and essences

[gaunt phoenix]

i just would have absolutely sold my soul for this outlaw to have AR charges

[cinder relic]

Prep should have just been 2 charges

Would have been nice

[craggy barn]

ye

i cant wait for the rog tank spec

that will for sure happen

🙂

i need this guy. so i can keep playing this class

[cinder relic]

I dont thiiink rogue tank would work. It on SOD was sort of like a teemu monk but maybe?

[craggy barn]

it kinda sucked in sod bc how classic was

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[craggy barn]

rog kit just didnt work at certain points

bleeds and poison immune mobs, slow cp gen

[cinder relic]

I enjoyed rogue tank when I played last phase

[craggy barn]

i enjoyed in p1

kinda just dropped off in p2

[cinder relic]

I only played sod on last phase so idk

[craggy barn]

p2 being mechagon with everything being mechanical turned me off

er not mechagon

whats it called

the gnome thing

either way, i just need rog tank

[cinder relic]

gnomregan

[craggy barn]

if things end up turning out how i expect. im prob turning into a tank main

[cinder relic]

gg

[craggy barn]

i as the guild leader am sacrificing myself to be tank for mythic raid

[lime lake]

[craggy barn]

i literally cant trust anyone else

[lime lake]

[night panther]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[lime lake]

its ok im swapping to shadow but ive already been told to expect to heal some

[craggy barn]

bruh we just became a CE guild in tww s2 from an AOTC only guild in df

[lime lake]

[night panther]

What is the ui command again? Got Guides from !ui

[cinder relic]

I'm playing rogue because I play rogue

[lime lake]

i actually like the midnight changes for rogue for the most part

[cinder relic]

idt were at a state yet where we have UIs we wanna share publically

[lime lake]

but its time for me to move on

unless i suck at priest

then i come back

[warm raven]

you gota at least paywall it, y'know

[craggy barn]

my guild doesnt recruit, and most of the guild has 0 capacity to tank in hard content

thank god my fav tank spec rn is usually good in raid anyways

[night panther]

Oh i though i saw someone with the prompt and it showed luxthis. Whanted to know If Theres more

[covert kestrel]

Outlaw gamers can play anything. Whether they enjoy it or not is a different thing

[lime lake]

yeah but i havent been an outlaw gamer since early dragonflight

then i got old

i just shitpost here

[craggy barn]

ill probably try and maintain my rog bc its my og char

but im sadge

[covert kestrel]

Ye I feel like if I ever leave outlaw I ain't leaving here. All other class discords suck

[lime lake]

yeah rogue discord is definitely goated

[craggy barn]

yo guy i played deadlock last night after like a year of not touching it

man do i suck

[keen belfry]

just had to do the first boss in psf (2 target cleave)

[covert kestrel]

[random stirrup]

"rogue" in progression = assa/sub

[lime lake]

[cinder relic]

Yeah I mean

the game has such a high skill ceiling

Even after not playing for a week I'm trash

[cinder relic]

I've played outlaw on prog twice, and both times it was just objectively correct

ONly noobs disagree

[craggy barn]

voti? and what else

[loud garden]

Sire

[frail veldt]

I honestly liked SL outlaw a lot more than it seems ill like midnight

[random stirrup]

counterargument: both of those are before my time, so they do not exist

[frail veldt]

but I think midnight outlaw is more compelling than DF s1/s2 outlaw

[random stirrup]

outlaw has been unplayable in prog as long as ive been playing competitively

except soul hunters

[craggy barn]

i progged UM as outlaw, except like 2 fights

[frail veldt]

I think if its used on only non last 3 bosses it doesnt count lol

[craggy barn]

actually no except 1 fight

[frail veldt]

I guess soul hunters was kind of the 3rd hardest boss of the raid this tier

[craggy barn]

i didnt get to update my soul hunters parse before prepatch 🙁

[loud garden]

As long as outlaw has variable cooldown timings it will almost never be the go to prog spec, plus sustained damage profile is rarely something you really want

[craggy barn]

[cinder relic]

castle nathria

[cinder relic]

truth atom bomb

[buoyant stratus]

I want outlaw to be prog spec this tier

simply because im addicted to beta outlaw @_@

this shit is fun

btw does anyone know why sometimes

loaded dice stays on key start and sometimes doesnt stay?

[lime lake]

i want outlaw to be prog spec this tier because it would be insanely funny

[craggy barn]

outlaw will be prog spec simply because its auto attacks real well!

[keen belfry]

spoken like a true non outlaw player..

chjarreed

[cinder relic]

its so good

[buoyant stratus]

bro u play this shit its like old outlaw but also with a bit of crackshot mixed in kinda

is fun af

[cinder relic]

SO TRUE

[keen belfry]

not really

[cinder relic]

GPU installed btw

[craggy barn]

holy

bro ur cooking ur pc

thats not good

[jolly geyser]

is that a 9070xt?

[craggy barn]

shits already glowing orange hot

[cinder relic]

yezzir

Wowhead payin out so I thought I'd treat myself

I hada 3060 ti for such a long time

Was tired of shit FPS in non wow games

Not shit FPS but like, mid

[craggy barn]

i think rotationally the only thing i dont like about law rn is KS

so non trickster is completely fine to me

lol

[tidal horizon]

The only thing I dont like about outlaw is that its doing aoe only with 1 spell/ability

[cinder relic]

I just hate that my steak is too juicy

and my lobster is just too buttery

[cinder relic]

See i kinda like KS

Ik i like everything but

[quaint mauve]

so far yeah

[craggy barn]

ks being directional makes it more annoying to me

[full dawn]

is this a work in progress? or where can i get this. looks awesome

[keen belfry]

FYI its ONLY the energy bar and combo point bar

[full dawn]

that's all im lookin for boss

[keen belfry]

i can post it this week, if u remind me

mhm

maybe toimorrow

[full dawn]

ooooooo, nice

[low glade]

funny thinking back to the dooming in here when the recent changes were announced

outlaw is blasting on beta rn

[civic zephyr]

how do i remove this debuff tracking??

its plater btw

[lime lake]

You dont until they fix it

[civic zephyr]

oh.. damn

thank you

[lime lake]

Platynator doesnt have that issue if you want to use it for now

[civic zephyr]

i have to i guess

[frail veldt]

brother were still dooming rofl

80% of this chat is UI support

pogging that youre tuned well on beta while the game is kinda in shambles is wild

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/moving-goalposts-goalposts-changing-requirements-gif-25214446

[keen belfry]

when is cold blood fixed

[frail veldt]

I personally prefer gameplay first tuning second

If I wanted to play a well tuned spec that isn't that fun I have many to choose from every season lol

[cinder relic]

I think its more in response to the

Dramatics of the last set of balance changes yk

[frail veldt]

ah yeah I kinda just view those as ominous

nerfs to our bladeflurry are scary

cuz they dont usually unnerf it

[cinder relic]

terrifying stuff

[frail veldt]

they tend to nerf it in response to ST buffs

but if we later get ST nerfs

[fresh acorn]

what on earth is this no ace build

[frail veldt]

I can almost guarantee they wont reactively buff BF

I p much ignore aura buffs/nerfs until the season is live

I wish we would see buffs to our gameplay/energy

but hey I guess we should just cheer about the beta meters!

[cinder relic]

I think we should complain about buffs

I like that idea

[frail veldt]

I think we should complain about nerfs

to bladeflurry

and complain about our gameplay problems that havent been fixed

eh it is what it is

some people really only care about meters

as long as theyre on top they forget about any underlying issues

[upper surge]

[silk stirrup]

Let's just complain about everything as usual

[upper surge]

That's why I come here

[frail veldt]

nah thats silly lets just ignore problems and focus on what really matters, topping meters in beta

[upper surge]

Hell yeah

[frail veldt]

I cant wait for all the raid teams to come crawling to me for prog

just sent a message to max to let him know outlaws pumping on beta and that I'm available next season if he wants an easy 1st

[cinder relic]

that one friend who hates everything

[frail veldt]

maybe stop only looking at the negative things I say

you should be more positive

[upper surge]

Twist?

[frail veldt]

guy you should apply your outlook on wow to this chat

youd prob enjoy it more

we can swap

[upper surge]

Speaking of UI support

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/759565407760809999/1465240385776259208/Screenshot_2026-01-26-08-01-14-953_com.google.android.youtube-edit.jpg?ex=697862f2&is=69771172&hm=47204a4ba513ccfaf5b033d137f1ac13676ee543d9de54a3888461f0d6321971&

[olive spire]

@frail veldt i get your mentality i think, you always think of the next problem cause you want the game to be better but as a new outlaw player I have to tell you reading in here looking for useful informations can be quite exhausting

[cinder relic]

Bingo

[upper surge]

Every wow discord is exhausting ATM, insane amount of dooming

[cinder relic]

I have never, and will never say "Never critisize the game ever"

But it is a bit much when its like, literally any time x problem gets fixed, "Well what about y problem" "[insert sarcastic comment about z here]"

at a certain point u gotta like, enjoy things for how they are, not what they could be

[upper surge]

Perfect is the enemy of good

[cinder relic]

and if how they are isn't enjoyable then idk, try something else? specs, classes, roles, different games entierly

[lunar thorn]

Just be like me, reach zen and realize nothing will get better and quit playing, peek in here every 2 months to see if anything changed

[cinder relic]

I have also reached zen but I just play the game and enjoy it

[upper surge]

I am having a blast in wow ATM other than my ui lmao

[cinder relic]

I settled with my UI after installing like 2 addons and said "Yeah this is good enough for now

[upper surge]

I leveled and emergency geared two more characters this week just to raid and blast

But I like what my spec feels like

[cinder relic]

I get ppl want really specific UIs cuz they are used to it but I just haven't felt the need for it, yet anyway

[frail veldt]

yeah I guess what I think youre misreading is that my discontent with the development of the spec isnt a reflection of how im enjoying the game while I play it usually

lots to do in wow

housing is fun

hanging out with friends

Im just not gona pretend there isnt issues

[upper surge]

I'm just waiting on Elvui atrocity

[proven ocean]

Cuz ur completely the opposite

[cinder relic]

Nobody also said to pretend there aren't issues

[proven ocean]

Even if blizzard decides to entirely close all of its servers, guy will show up and say guys np its probably gonna make the game better

??

[lunar thorn]

it probably would

[frail veldt]

I mean I p much cant complain about anything without you saying im dooming lol

do I need to say something positive everytime I critique the game to keep the universe in balance?

[cinder relic]

no?

[pastel pendant]

There’s just nothing to be positive about they took everything that made this spec fun and destroyed it

[frail veldt]

then why do I need to defend my critiques from snide responses lol

[pastel pendant]

Outlaw feels pointless to play now

[upper surge]

@vivid vessel quick tell me who is right

[cinder relic]

then dont play it?

[vapid blaze]

all of wich doom anyway xD

[frail veldt]

Im not being outrageous im pointing out explicit issues with the spec

[pastel pendant]

No more underhanded upper hand

They killed the spec

No soul

[reef ruin]

I like latinas

[silk stirrup]

This sounds like dooming about dooming

[upper surge]

You spelled my name wrong

[vapid blaze]

i mean i agree
they need to buff bf anyways

i also hope to get some more depth in the spec xD

aoe feels kinda ok cause you have bf but idk

[upper surge]

[reef ruin]

dw I dont like you, I love you

[pastel pendant]

The spec is boring as fuck

[cinder relic]

Then play a different spec?

[pastel pendant]

Like seriously dull and boring

[upper surge]

[frail veldt]

see im not like that lolol

[pastel pendant]

They took everything that made it fun and threw it in the gutter

[cinder relic]

You should try another spec then

[vapid blaze]

i mean its the same on all specs tho?

[midnight ridge]

some1 is venting

[cinder relic]

I heard enhance is pretty involved

[upper surge]

Devastation feels wonderful right now, I'm back to S2 df happy vibes

[pastel pendant]

No more keeping AR up, no more vanish crack shot no more vanish to keep ar rolling

Like wtf

Now what do u do

[vapid blaze]

and saying
go play different spec is just weird answer to pointing out smth

[pastel pendant]

Ur downtime rotation lol

Literally so fuckifn boring

Fuck these braindead devs

[frail veldt]

does fdk still have sindragosa or did they take that out with the rework?

[proven ocean]

Blizzard: we are deleting rogue as its no longer our priority to maintain.

Foreverguy: np guys we have 10 other classes and 40 specs to play with can u guys stop being so greedy?

[frail veldt]

that might satisfy your uptime playstyle

[cinder relic]

Well for 1, if you don't like a spec, you should probably look towards another spec that you do find fun.
and for 2, this person has been coming to the discord every day this week, and for like, 10 minutes will have a fit about it and then disappear again

[snow viper]

This is the design that blizz wants in the game now, is what it is

[tender wedge]

i think you're being baited at this point

[pastel pendant]

Yea cuz I think about it randomly an get upset

[cinder relic]

I don't think so

[upper surge]

What if I can't tell who is baiting

[pastel pendant]

Cuz I log on my rogue and get upset at what they did

[reef ruin]

I was just gonna ask is outlaw good now

[pastel pendant]

It’s not bro

[cinder relic]

Depends who u ask

[pastel pendant]

It’s dogshit now

[cinder relic]

I think this version is fun

[frail veldt]

tuning isnt done we dont know yet

[pastel pendant]

You will fall asleep playing it

[reef ruin]

I only care about TUNING, fuck GAMEPLAY

[snow viper]

They did it to everything

[frail veldt]

playstyle quality is subjective

[cinder relic]

The tuning on beta rn seems good?

[vapid blaze]

i think this version is just like every other spec
except you have worse class fantasy

[pastel pendant]

They took everything fun out of the spec

No more mashing ur keyboard

It’s slow

[frail veldt]

yeah but we know how quickly that can change

[pastel pendant]

And boring

[snow viper]

It's still gcd capped lol

[cinder relic]

You still mash your keyboard to play the spec properly

[pastel pendant]

It’s boring man

[reef ruin]

Inshallah it dont change I dont wanna play assa again

[cinder relic]

so true

[pastel pendant]

Dude it’s way slower u cannot deny that

[upper surge]

Is Zach secretly zac? Is that why they type 4 messages in a row?

[pastel pendant]

Like wayyyy slower

[snow viper]

sounds like you dont enjoy the game anymore then

[simple frigate]

@pastel pendant I don’t think you mentioned, but how do you feel about outlaw in midnight

[pastel pendant]

How r they just gonna neuter AR uptime and not give us anything

[upper surge]

Man I randomly opened outlaw at the right time tonight

[snow viper]

loaded up assisted and vibe man, you're gonna give yourself a stroke.

[cinder relic]

It is slower, its like what, 65 apm now rather than 80 or something, but a lot of that is GS + Vanish, and not exactly AR uptime specifically

[simple frigate]

@pastel pendant correct me if I’m wrong but I’m starting to think you don’t like outlaw..

[frail veldt]

86 to 67

its like 25% slower its def noticeable

but I still think its on the faster side of specs in midnight

[pastel pendant]

20 amp difference yikes fml

Like I will sleep playing outlaw wtf man

[upper surge]

No one look up dev cpm

[pastel pendant]

It was so much fun before why did they have to ruin it

[cinder relic]

because a lot of people didn't find it fun

[upper surge]

Also it hurt people's hands

[snow viper]

snort some adderall and doom scroll reddit while you play it?

[vapid blaze]

i mena sure
my question would be
do all those people now start playing outlaw

[simple frigate]

Clearly they didn’t think about Zach.

[pastel pendant]

Then they can play dev or some low apm spec

[cinder relic]

I'm gonna start playing the spec again

[frail veldt]

I think not having cto makes it feel a little less variant in its rotation since you spend a lot more time with a certain rotation priority than before where it would change up a lot

[cinder relic]

Fuck crackshot, fuck uhuh

Shit sucked

[upper surge]

Excuse you dev is super high apm

[frail veldt]

whatd they change?

[vapid blaze]

sure
but i think the outlaw population atleast in higher content will go down
UNLESS META

[snow viper]

Or they could design the spec so more that 90 ppl would play it on prog

[upper surge]

Disintegrate. ... ... Disintegrate

[vapid blaze]

cause now you can actually just reroll rogue without issues xD

[lunar thorn]

wow can't have high apm specs anymore, players are all too old

[pastel pendant]

How can u say that crack shot made the spec fun wtf

Dude I honestly don’t get it

[frail veldt]

oh do you clip it now or something?

[cinder relic]

Theres this thing people have, its called an opinion

[upper surge]

Nothing, I was making a joke because it's even slower now

[snow viper]

real talk

[cinder relic]

Some people like different things

[pastel pendant]

So what you just want generic builder spender spec wtf

[cinder relic]

Yes

[pastel pendant]

That’s literally all outlaw is now

[frail veldt]

thats what some people prefer

[cinder relic]

And thats what I want from the spec

[snow viper]

Yes, this is the game now and will be the direction for the foreseeable future

[vapid blaze]

to note:
i think if they streamlined rogue in general including bug fixes

and worked on class flavour/fantasy

[frail veldt]

same way that some people prefer playing assa over outlaw

[vapid blaze]

it would get more people to play the spec

[cinder relic]

In TWW, that playstyle was deleted from the game, now it's back

I didn't get to enjoy the spec for 2 years

[simple frigate]

Can’t believe blizzard would do this to Zach

[pastel pendant]

You don’t like going into vanish and getting 6 crack shots in a row

That feels so good

[cinder relic]

I don't, no

[pastel pendant]

That doesn’t happen anymore

[cinder relic]

I sucked it up, and played sub for most of TWW

But now I'm back

[simple frigate]

Hooray!

[reef ruin]

Vanish being a defensive cooldown now for outlaw makes sense

[frail veldt]

if only they didnt quadruple its cd in the process haha

[cinder relic]

I'd call it utility more than defensive but it depends how pednatic you want to be

[pastel pendant]

You ppl r crazy

Now u get vanish on 2 min cd unaffected by restless

lol have fun

[snow viper]

Most of us are

[reef ruin]

Yeah but you arent using it for dps now so what's the issue

[pastel pendant]

There’s no way I could imagine that

[lunar thorn]

was the meta of tww pulling 20 mobs and aoeing them down still

[frail veldt]

the longer cd on it still makes it weaker, we got a lot of value out of the healing from soothing darkness in tww

[pastel pendant]

The issue it the whole spec lost soul

[frail veldt]

depends on dungeon, pulls were smaller than DF for sure

[reef ruin]

That does make sense

[frail veldt]

but still 8-12 depending on your group

[frail veldt]

I think the evasion not being on RB is gona hurt more

[snow viper]

Idk, my handgun and tumble weed are still here

[frail veldt]

outlaw is now the squishiest rogue spec mechanically so thats gona suck

[reef ruin]

Yeah I honestly dont care about vanish as much as I do for Evasion

[pastel pendant]

Feint and evasion no longer on restess too and grapple speed is slower they literally just downgraded this spec so much

[frail veldt]

and feint got dropped off rb too

not that we would have the energy for it anyway

[pastel pendant]

Like I can’t express how much I hate these changes

[frail veldt]

I really hope they dont realize they forgot to take out aoe blind

[cinder relic]

I think you should keep coming back daily to remind us

[upper surge]

Weird, I feel like you've been expressing yourself quite a bit

[snow viper]

I think you have

[lunar thorn]

My main beef with outlaw is that it seemed like it's ST damage sucked and the spec is still capped so it can't aoe well, what is the point of this spec

[pastel pendant]

There is no point anymore

[frail veldt]

it has the same weaknesses as before with a little boost to uptime being punishing yeah

[reef ruin]

ST tuning looks pretty good in beta I've heard

[patent mirage]

oh no

its happening again

[frail veldt]

it can have good st

[pastel pendant]

Before it was all about keeping AR up and locking in good rolls now what?????

[frail veldt]

its just tuning

anything can happen there

[snow viper]

I have a referral code for guild wars if you want

[cinder relic]

Well, first season it's ST was decent, 2nd season it was kinda just undertuned in raid anyway, the ST was really shit, but the AOE was good. In S3 it was just undertuned across the board, it did no ST, and it did no AOE

[pastel pendant]

There’s nothing to look forward to u just mindlessly press ur rotation with no thought in mind

[upper surge]

Has this been going on every day?

[cinder relic]

S3 was the worst outlaw season in the games history

[cinder relic]

Hes been doing it for about a week now I think

Maybe 4-5 days

[upper surge]

Oof

[reef ruin]

He is just passionate

[patent mirage]

passionate right

[vapid blaze]

is wasting trickster stacks really a net 0?

[upper surge]

That's the word I use for myself when I'm being obstinent too

[reef ruin]

If he's not rude, just let the guy doom

[cinder relic]

On live yeah, idk about beta

[frail veldt]

yeah

since flawless form is now capped

[pastel pendant]

Seriously beforehand you thought about what u pressed and u made sure to vanish b4 AR fell off and now what do u do

[upper surge]

I'm off to sleep, good night gentleman and ladies and others

[frail veldt]

you dont really need to optimize coup as much

[reef ruin]

Good night latina

[snow viper]

whatever assisted highlight tells me

[vapid blaze]

feel like if that were to change
as in either uncapping flawless or making coup do more damage

trickster gameplay would be kinda ok

[frail veldt]

since the buff is just a max stack and refresh kinda thing

[patent mirage]

the entire stealth gameplay would go eventually

[frail veldt]

so coup as a whole is a lot weaker

[patent mirage]

if you thought it wouldnt you are naive

[pastel pendant]

Ok but they didn’t give us anything to make up for it

[frail veldt]

I dont think crackshot had to die with it necessarily

[cinder relic]

I said it in S3 DF, there really isn't much left for the spec to "get", it has literally everything with this shell of UHUH, crackshot, KiR lol

[pastel pendant]

They took it out and gave us nothing

[cinder relic]

99% ar uptime, like insane uptime of 4+ buffs

[patent mirage]

it was a design dead end

[cinder relic]

Too much sugar

[pastel pendant]

Ok but now that’s gone so now what

[cinder relic]

Now you build and spend, and press blade rush

[pastel pendant]

Crack shot and underhanded upper hand was peak outlaw design

It was fun

[cinder relic]

I don't think it was fun

[frail veldt]

would you still like outlaw if it had no crackshot but still was at 90+% adr if you played it correctly?

[pastel pendant]

Becuz if u were good u would keep AR up 90%+ of the time

[frail veldt]

like if our cdr was just giga

[reef ruin]

I also think AR uptime was a cool concept

[pastel pendant]

It rewarded good gameplay decisions

[patent mirage]

the real question is

no point discussing about it

its gone

[pastel pendant]

Maybe

[frail veldt]

well discussion can be fun

[lunar thorn]

Even assuming it was tuned averagely, I dont understand the vision of the spec. Is it just supposed to be a m+ all star when your tank only pulls one group? What is it supposed to be good at?

[pastel pendant]

I would like it a lot more

[frail veldt]

so theres still a point

[patent mirage]

yes lets bicker over it all day long here

[frail veldt]

I wasnt asking you

[snow viper]

flat damage profile

[cinder relic]

If you want the steelman, yes, it's sort of designed to be the king of pug keys. And statistically it is very good at them

[frail veldt]

yeah outlaw cranks in pugs cuz unless its GIGA undertuned in high content, it will be overtuned in lower content

[cinder relic]

I remember in DF S1, when Outlaw was good, but sort of fell off at the insane push key level, realz mentioned that Outlaw being in a group was the highest value add to any key. Like the success rate of a dungeon with an outlaw in it made a difference

[lunar thorn]

At the end of S3 DF I had 2300 ish rating but it was impossible to get any pug keys to fill my vault

just no invites ever

[cinder relic]

Especially in the past, the specs niche was always "doing really good st, and doing good work on the cleanup packs"

[frail veldt]

this is true for a lot of specs haha

[cinder relic]

Now, in MDI pulls, these strenghts dont matter

[snow viper]

That's the case for any non-meta spec and a low rating

[frail veldt]

outlaws niche is casual play tbh

[cinder relic]

But when u just, play the game with random people, or even ppl in guild that aren't tryhards doing MDI pulls perma, the spec is good

[frail veldt]

its bad in raid prog and bad in push keys

generally

[cinder relic]

I wouldn't call it bad in raid prog

But sure

[frail veldt]

I mean historically it is

[vapid blaze]

outlaw was also really unkillable
wich prob helps in lower skill groups

[cinder relic]

Historically it's fine for raid prog

Slightly worse

I think bad is a strong word

[frail veldt]

I guess im just thinking in terms of whether your raid is going to pressure you to swap to sub/assa

lol

p much every single season for the past few years that would be the case

[cinder relic]

Well sure but thats a whole culture thing more than actual perforamnce

[frail veldt]

sure

[reef ruin]

S3 m+ experience wasnt really that bad

[frail veldt]

same with push keys

you can get title with outlaw no problem

yet you still get denied to almost every key

[vapid blaze]

outlaw damage profile i just inferior to other specs
espec other rogue specs

kinda need to be overtuned to compete

[frail veldt]

but we gotta just accept the reality that if a spec is 5% behind

the palyers will call it bad

its dumb but iiwii

[reef ruin]

It took me 2-3 hours to find a key each time to actually push as a pug

[frail veldt]

and in raid I thikn people expect you to play the other specs more often

compared to m+

[cinder relic]

Also to answer this idk, I want to say no but it'd depend on the moving parts.

[frail veldt]

most of the time in m+ people kidna accept that your main is your main

[reef ruin]

I think score doesnt matter

People are too locked in to "meta"

[cinder relic]

Especially the past like, all of TWW, Outlaw has had a massive skill floor that like

You can't just have a pocket outlaw

and the rogues in WF guilds also don't bother practicing it, so when it is better by lets say, 5%, they aren't gonna bother

[lunar thorn]

I'm not a giga tryhard but I had all 13/14s timed I don't remember what my rating was but it was more than enough for some random 10 pug key

[cinder relic]

And then that ends up trickling down

[frail veldt]

I mean you just have to think from the perspective of the group lead, do you risk your key on inviting an off meta spec hoping that theyre a giga chad and outperform their specs inadequacies? Or do you invite a meta spec and hope you dont get a fotm andy who sucks ass

[vapid blaze]

i think thats gonna change tho
i think rogue in general was one of the hardest to pick up

[frail veldt]

hard truth, when im on my alts I dont invite outlaws to my keys lolol

its not worth it

[reef ruin]

[cinder relic]

I mean this tier its genuinely the worst spec in the game I'd argue

[sly bone]

does that not make you part of the problem?

[snow viper]

Not saying it wasn't, but the reality is unless you are a highly rated meta spec pug ques are just a waiting simulator

[frail veldt]

I dont blame the player for the problem

theyre doing what is in their best interest

as they should

I blame the game

cant change the player

[vapid blaze]

same but with pres evokers

[reef ruin]

That's why you play assa like a normal person

by you, I mean me

[olive spire]

this perspective is a fallacy. If 2 players have the same score and one is on meta spec and the other not, the non meta spec is a better player enough to compensate the weaker spec, thinking that the meta class is gonna be better is just wrong

[sly bone]

im a fan of having energy. hard pass

[lunar thorn]

Doesn't help that Outlaw doesn't provide any meaningful group buff or reason to invite them

[cinder relic]

I always repost this video during discussions about pug waiting. Its from DF but it will never not be relevant atp

[lunar thorn]

over mage 500 in your queue

[reef ruin]

not anymore

[frail veldt]

well theyre at the same score though so theyre both arguably equal in efficacy, also you are missing a lot of factors like how often someone plays since you cant lose score in m+ you can compensate for lack of skill with playtime very easily

also you have to consider some specs bring value even if the player sucks

outlaw isnt one of those

it doesnt bring hero, gorup defensive, good cc, etc

[sly bone]

i have a question. why are the conversations getting this heated in prepatch

[frail veldt]

is this heated?

[snow viper]

because there's no content to consume

[cinder relic]

idt anybody is heated rn

[vapid blaze]

there is legit nothing to do on live

[frail veldt]

yeah I feel like were pretty civil atm lol

[reef ruin]

Where is @pastel pendant

[frail veldt]

zach tired himself out

bro whyd you @ him

[untold wadi]

my goat

[frail veldt]

that was a mistake

[cinder relic]

Only people heated are the addon drama frogs

[snow viper]

welfare check? said he couldnt handle it anymore

[cinder relic]

the addon drama on twitter is so good

[frail veldt]

its pretty wild

[lunar thorn]

Just kinda sad, I have the wow itch but outlaw is just not it and thats all I really want to play

[reef ruin]

me when I @ zach

[frail veldt]

everyone breaking the game, stealing code, pointing fingers

[cinder relic]

honestly the weakaura deletion causing all this drama is worth it

[frail veldt]

blizz just laughing

[reef ruin]

I'm happy weakauras got shot

[cinder relic]

did u try it on beta at all

[reef ruin]

ngl

[vapid blaze]

short term fun
it will reignite when rwf is there

[olive spire]

sure talking purely about output, but if you want to throw in utility having the same score with a meta class and with good utility means the player is even worse cause it gets carried by the utility

[lunar thorn]

No I never got invited to beta and why would I pay 2000 dollars on blizzards superwowpack to play something I'm not sure I wanted to play?

[frail veldt]

the player is worse but what they bring to your group still could outweigh the outlaw

[lunar thorn]

Also I logged into TWW for like a day and it felt awful to play without acro so I stopped

[snow viper]

big dooming over changes that took place with every class and it's not even the full kit yet

[cinder relic]

Idk, a lot of people talk about not playing wow and then preorder every expac so I think its a fair question

[frail veldt]

its more like how much ill play wow

will I play the full season

[reef ruin]

I mean I'm not playing the beta either but if you're arguing on a rogue discord then I'm guessing you are kinda invested

[frail veldt]

or just play launch clear raid and log out before the .5 patch even comes

[patent mirage]

still

the time of the fth doom was worse

[sly bone]

play the class not the spec 🙂

[snow viper]

Could be worse, could be BM which actually lost buttons

[frail veldt]

RIPAcro never forget

[reef ruin]

I miss acro too damn

But people moved on, same will happen now

[frail veldt]

thats what they hope for

[cinder relic]

Anyway the main reason I was asking if you tried beta was because I think gravedigger adds a lot to the spec

[frail veldt]

its like diet crackshot

[cinder relic]

But I mean if acro removal was a deal breaker for u for tww then it might be wraps

Lol

[frail veldt]

or like the lacroix of crackshot

[cinder relic]

That's what I said and I got cleaned

Clowned

[frail veldt]

rofl it hits different coming from you

apparently

[lunar thorn]

like idc about uhuh or crackshot or whatever, but yeah I guess I'm just cooked

[cinder relic]

Gg

[cinder relic]

Literally

[patent mirage]

uhuh and crackshot would go

[vapid blaze]

isnt it just another bte reset?

[cinder relic]

Yeah

[frail veldt]

yeah its a bte reset that you get a buff for

[cinder relic]

But it's guaranteed

[frail veldt]

so you know its coming

[vapid blaze]

i still have to build after no?

[frail veldt]

no

[vapid blaze]

oh nvm i dont

[frail veldt]

bte twice in a row

well

[vapid blaze]

i guess thats nice 😄

[patent mirage]

ofc we dont have apex talents yet

[frail veldt]

I think technically?

[lunar thorn]

I considered swapping to mage but I was like nah this is fucking lame I'd rather just not play

[frail veldt]

doesnt it only take you to 5cp @cinder relic ?

[vapid blaze]

now if ace was like that
wouldnt that be a change

[patent mirage]

we get "tornado trigger "

[frail veldt]

which would mean youd build before ace

[patent mirage]

which is fine

[vapid blaze]

it gives 6 according to wowhead

[frail veldt]

nvm its 6 yeah

ez

press bte twice in a row done

[vapid blaze]

crazy
and you even know beforehand
man i wish ace was like that

having to build after proc is cringe

[cinder relic]

And then you get an ace proc

[frail veldt]

its kinda sad the ace cp is nerfed so much so we dont really get to enjoy it

I hope they tweak stuff so we can take 2 point ace

so at least sometimes we can bte back to back

but maybe its intentional to not have that mistake be possible

[vapid blaze]

dont u have to build anyway

[fresh acorn]

im seeing crazy no ace logs

[vapid blaze]

isnt 2 point ace 4 combo points

[frail veldt]

depends on how much ruthlessness procs

ruth can proc 2 cp

[vapid blaze]

wait general questions
are the chance per combo point things additive?

[frail veldt]

depends haha

[vapid blaze]

ofc why should it be simple

[frail veldt]

I think for the most part yes though

ruthlessness stacks over 100%

and can proc "twice"

[vapid blaze]

so if ace procs youd always get 5 and could respend

[frail veldt]

well you dont bte at 5

so youd build if you got a ruth proc of 1

but if you ruth procced 2 cp and ace gave you 4 then you could bte again at 6

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[frail veldt]

not pirates 🙁

[vapid blaze]

omg that would also be very cringe holy

[frail veldt]

hey at least it would spice things up a bit lol

[hasty warren]

pirate one day, pirate forever

[frail veldt]

something to react to

[frail veldt]

once a pirate forever a pirate

were just landlubbers now

[hasty warren]

sounds better ty for correction

[frail veldt]

lol didnt mean to be a correction but yw

was just agreeing

you can take the pirate out of the outlaw, but you cant take the outlaw out of the pirate

[keen belfry]

I’m confused how does gravedigger add a lot to the spec? The most it adds is a source of free energy

[frail veldt]

I think he meant like mechanically

[hasty warren]

idk I just word translated the expression we have in french so I'd no idea how we tell it in english lol

[frail veldt]

adds a lil zhuzh

a little hootspa

[cinder relic]

I've had a few people mentioning thinking the spec is okay ish on live and then like it a lot with gravedigger added

[frail veldt]

a dash of sumpin sumpin

[cinder relic]

So idk, thought I'd bring up that fact

[keen belfry]

Ye cuz it helps with energy

Still just playing filler rotation

[frail veldt]

well you bte again

[keen belfry]

But with a lil more energy and one more BTE

[frail veldt]

with a nice sound effect

[hasty warren]

we don't have apex talents yet ? lvl capped until realise ?

[frail veldt]

ye

its the same way ace adds to the spec

[cinder relic]

I'm just relaying info to somebody who hasn't tried it is all

[lunar thorn]

I mean I'm looking at gravedigger but it just looks like another version of the thing we've had before

[keen belfry]

the only thing I feel on beta is playing fatebound + apex energy is 10x trickster shit

[frail veldt]

"not better, just different"

[frail veldt]

yeah trickster SUUUUUCKS when tea runs out

even on beta

add in downtime and having to press feint and its gona be straight up not a good time

[keen belfry]

I’ve done like 3 2 target bossses and it’s actual doomsday

On prepatch

[frail veldt]

now would you still say this if you were on top of the meters?

[keen belfry]

Had me wondering what’s better, refreshing BF so my autos can cleave or build for cdr

I pressed bf

There’s something terribly wrong with the dmg meters

They are simply just wrong/different for everyone in parties

[frail veldt]

LOL

no way

cant be serious

[tropic zephyr]

Unserious damage meter

[vapid blaze]

is that a suprise
almost everything regard ui is half cooked

[keen belfry]

Did a floodgate with friends and same settings and our dps varied like 30k between each meters

[reef ruin]

blizzord moment

[tropic zephyr]

"gold standard"

[vapid blaze]

"happy with current state"

[keen belfry]

And previously I’d use the dmg meter no addon and it would say I’m doing like 20k dps first pull

[lunar thorn]

It's so fucking funny that addons is just a giant dumpster fire

[keen belfry]

Atleast fun specs to fall back on

[tropic zephyr]

What are your fun specs rn?

[cinder relic]

Heard good things about enhance from the outlaw diehards

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah can confirm it's stupid fun

[keen belfry]

It’s decent

[tropic zephyr]

You're just a lightning dispenser on crack nothing to track just send send send

[tropic zephyr]

What do you like rn

[keen belfry]

Class wise

[tropic zephyr]

Specific spec

[keen belfry]

I enjoy outlaw in aoe when I get 3 buff for a few pulls

Then I kinda get bored after I do filler for the next 24 minutes of that key

Fire mage in combust is kinda fun

Enhance hot hand windows are fun at times

[tropic zephyr]

Oh you playing totemic

[keen belfry]

A lot of specs have fun moments but that’s it

[frail veldt]

yeah they did a really bad job honestly lol

[keen belfry]

Well stormbringer is braindead now

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah rofl

[keen belfry]

Random tempest proc yay

[tropic zephyr]

Windstrike windstrike windstrike