outlaw

[desert tendon]

back in my days when ow was fun

[jolly geyser]

ow is fine rn

[desert tendon]

it probably is

from what i have seen from afar, i would say it was absolutely garbo and unplayable from brig release to 5 month into ow2, so that s few years

but now it looks kinda fun with the 3rd view gamemode and all

[cinder relic]

It's a 3rd person moba

Focused on movement

But they just added an Aram mayhem adjacent mode in the new update

[jolly geyser]

[cinder relic]

So u could give that a sniff

[snow stratus]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[jolly geyser]

I should give it a sniff

[copper radish]

only thing i found that sucks with Arc UI is it doesnt stay setup on class to class lol

[desert tendon]

sniff

[pastel pendant]

@mighty pivot were not the same person lol

[mighty pivot]

suuuuure buddy explain then why we've never seen you together in the same room

[wintry solar]

And say the same thing

[wintry solar]

The gave me the weekend off

[mighty pivot]

isn't that how weekends work for most people?

[wintry solar]

I work 7 days

[mighty pivot]

even god rested on the 7th day buddy...

[sudden iron]

blizzard's CD manager is not tracking preparation or am i missing something?

[tender wedge]

Correct

[lime lake]

you are not prepared

is why

[tender wedge]

If you need it there you’ll need an addon that can manually add spells 🙃

[tired marlin]

so this energy situation

[sudden iron]

tbh going through the cd mgr i was thinking why it doesnt exist by default so even blizzard doesnt really need to think about keeping the spell list up to date that much lol

thx though

[tender wedge]

I can’t remember when they redid the outlaw tree, possible they literally haven’t worked on CDM since creating prep

It’s not as funny as earth ele for shamans

Which you can track for ele and resto but it’s missing for enhance

[lime lake]

its kinda funny

[sudden iron]

https://tenor.com/view/robotspaghetti-spaghetti-spaghetti-gif-4808491590881172629

[tender wedge]

I simply unspec prep, problem solved

[sudden iron]

i just copied the talents from guide
still very unsure why it runs prep without KS xd

[tender wedge]

I think the updated guides don’t have it?

[untold wadi]

hey guys i wanna track meld with

Default™ Blizzard® Cooldown Manager©

any tips

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-winter-snow-fail-gif-16943290

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-stairs-gif-26161925

[round spindle]

How are we supposed to track opportunity? Look at our action bars?

[cinder relic]

U can track it in Cd's

[civic meteor]

is it just me or is killing spree not worth taking at all? I feel if I invest the talent point into eg Sleight of Hand it is way more worth

[vivid vessel]

you can track it in buffs also

[vivid vessel]

its not

it does 0 damage

but you need it for trickster

[sudden iron]

just tracking pistol shot works for me

[fathom bramble]

unfortunately while it is a terrible talent it is needed for trickster

the trickster hooks make it worth it

[civic meteor]

just for flawless form?

[vivid vessel]

for everything trickster

there is 2/3 talents

that work with killing spree

[civic meteor]

geez, just 2 but I see

what a waste

it feels so off wasting 5-7 cp for that

[tender wedge]

if you really hate KS you're probably better off just playing FB, difference isn't that much is it

[civic meteor]

if its for optimizing, I take it 😄

but still feels wrong pressing

[gaunt phoenix]

you can cancel killing spree when it regens you to 6/7, it's fine

it's damage per execute time is not horrendously terrible but it definitely feels like a waste

[civic meteor]

worst thing is seeing you overflow with energy 😄

but I guess cancel macro will do the trick

[vivid vessel]

dont need a cancel macro

[gaunt phoenix]

no macro, just hit dispatch/bte

[vivid vessel]

just press a finisher

[fresh orchid]

do we run our of energy often, I have 28% haste and it still feels sadge, is it me or new spec design

or both

😂

[gaunt phoenix]

prepatch has been mostly fine, some low moments

[copper radish]

have yall been finding that WOW option settings uncheck themselves on reload or logout?

[gaunt phoenix]

dont think so

[copper radish]

i enable all the boss timeline stuff and it unchecks the next time i relog

[fresh orchid]

so downtime not expected , its me

[pastel pendant]

@fresh orchid it’s the new spec design it’s slow and clunky now it’s not u

[gaunt phoenix]

well you prolly want a bit more haste than 28%

[fresh orchid]

Damn, I can live with slow, I cant live with waiting for energy to charge

Hate that feeling

[tender wedge]

ive been at 28% haste and feel like im never running out

[tired marlin]

what is the haste amount we want? I thought 25

[gaunt phoenix]

in prepatch you prolly want over 30%

and even then it continues to be good

[frank finch]

for bothj fb and trix?

[tired marlin]

holy canoli

[coarse parcel]

@vivid vessel did you manage to get dark icon somehow in prepatch ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Raidbots top gear should be totally functional to sim your recrafts and such

[vivid vessel]

i mean yopu can still replace youir icons files

nbothing changed regarding that

[gaunt phoenix]

fatebound gets more energy than trickster so they are prolly not literally the same, but would just be down to raidbots to figure it

[coarse parcel]

mmh

[vivid vessel]

like i didnt change anything

[coarse parcel]

maybe I'm crazy but I don't see the change

did it earlier

[vivid vessel]

wdym

[coarse parcel]

at least no change on my cd manager

[vivid vessel]

the cd maanger is a bit weird

baseline it add a sort of shadow

and change the shape of the icon

most addons will remove all that tho

[coarse parcel]

should be here right "C:\Program Files (x86)\World of Warcraft_retail_\Interface\ICONS" ?

[vivid vessel]

y

[coarse parcel]

w8, let me show bc I'm pretty sure it did not change the icon

[fresh orchid]

Which hero tree

[tender wedge]

trickster

[round spindle]

Is there an easy way to track the blade flurry buff?

[tender wedge]

it's trackable by default buff tracker and any CDM addon

[coarse parcel]

the only one I see different is my stealth in debuff

and it doesn't have the dark shadow

or I'm turbo blind idk

[pastel sierra]

All looks good to me

[vivid vessel]

idk you have addons for your bars and shit

if the icon is zoomed in

you might not see the dark thing

also its inside the ion not outside

the dark shadow

thingy

[coarse parcel]

disabled everything

[vivid vessel]

idk

you dfont have them i think

not sure

[coarse parcel]

basicly I used your UI as a baseline, icon are the only thing I struggle to replicate

[vivid vessel]

easiest thing tho

[coarse parcel]

[vivid vessel]

[coarse parcel]

I doubled check but I did download the dark.zip

[tired marlin]

c

oops typo

[gaunt phoenix]

c

[desert tendon]

c

[vivid vessel]

mods?

bro just wished c on me

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-ltg-mods-low-tier-god-mods-balls-gif-6304382572771063267

[coarse parcel]

it does not work

im fucking stupid or what

[vivid vessel]

massive skill issue i was told

try to not be such a noob bro

[coarse parcel]

ok real talk

are you hidding bar from edit mode ?

or they fade out from an addon ?

[vivid vessel]

mosueover options

or whastever the addon is

[coarse parcel]

👍 goat

completely stole your UI btw

stealing is meta in wow recently

[vivid vessel]

whatehelly

you stole everythign !

report this guy

[coarse parcel]

even swapping to outlaw in midnight

[frank finch]

what ui is that

[coarse parcel]

mine duh

[frank finch]

what addon

[coarse parcel]

• d1 texture stole in zac wago

[vivid vessel]

ye im doing the same rn but

i hope the guy do better

with the cd manager thing

its not great yet

[coarse parcel]

maybe thing will be better at release

^ clueless

[frank finch]

export me ur profile bro

nvm i got it

[coarse parcel]

copy screen I sent

and message or ping if you have question but im sure you will figure out

[peak dock]

hello, i can't see some of my gear stats when i mouseover it

is it a bug ?

looks like some kind of big wigs error

[civic zephyr]

I want that too

[keen pilot]

hewwo, i was playing a lot of outlaw for the first time while on remix, and i loved it so much i'm thinking of makingg it my main guy in midnight, but really sufferingg with energy now XD, can I get some tips

[gaunt phoenix]

On prepatch you want over 30% haste

Other than that #outlaw-faq has a rotation guide

cause doing things right leads to better energy

[covert kestrel]

in the amount of times youve asked for peoples uis you couldve made one like 5 times

[rich basin]

Hello. Any recommandations for a good outlaw content creator?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/we-dont-have-shit-we-have-nothing-we-dont-have-anything-vanessa-adams-next-stop-gif-22475357

[frank finch]

[vapid sundial]

30% haste

Unreal.

[vapid sundial]

Some people are dogshit at uis

[rich basin]

Oh really?

[vapid sundial]

Stop being so ablelist. >;((((((((

[rich basin]

Damn was looking forward to trying it

[covert kestrel]

its easy enough, check out #outlaw-faq

[rich basin]

will do tomorrow

[violet bison]

!DAGGER

[vapid sundial]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[gaunt phoenix]

lemme change that

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is ~1% better than a slow weapon mostly because of Zero In, and also slightly more Instant Poison procs. Energy is not affected by offhand speed.

It is possible large ilvl differences can matter more than this bonus so use Raidbots Top Gear when in doubt.

[covert kestrel]

Wow it's beautiful to see the artisan at work

[keen belfry]

Frontier why aren’t you out walking mpls with me

[vapid sundial]

I got called an ice agent the other day

Bc I was wearing a face mask.

And it's cold.

People in this city are so stupid man

[covert kestrel]

Holding the fort down in NYC broski

[wintry solar]

Man

I really don't get the hazelnut spread craze

[covert kestrel]

What like nutella

Are you from 2003

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[wintry solar]

Wdym

[cinder relic]

Dude this addon drama is so funny

[copper radish]

i got an lol out of it

[covert kestrel]

Like idk hazelnut spread hasn't been a craze since the early 00s

Biscoff spread is the goat

[copper radish]

"you stole my code" "no you did" "okay i did but i released it first"

"now we all quit"

[robust berry]

Yeah I like the spec, tried it on beta, just leveling experience was satisfying and felt better since ngl i hated the KIR gameplay so it was a good change, but I dont want to end up dedicating my time to spec that undesired.

[wintry solar]

That's a bit of a stretch

[covert kestrel]

I'll stretch you

[pastel sierra]

Then you play tank or healer

Those will always be needed

But Im happy you're enjoying outlaw

[formal thunder]

am I crazy or did they change the position of the opportunity graphic above your character? feels like it's in the way for me to see nameplates a lot now

or did nameplates draw over them before?

[sturdy crow]

Sorry raid lead I know I said my cooldowns would be up for this burst phase but you see I rolled a 3 twice in row so my ar is completely off

[vapid sundial]

I mean

Historically you can't assign AR

It's troll to try

[steep pumice]

what addon is this screenshot?

[sturdy crow]

Yeah I just think it's weird design, you can never be sure how it's going to line up on a boss, surely theres a different buff the 3 set could give you that doesn't throw consistency on fights in the bin.

[nova sinew]

isnt that what prep is for

[dull geyser]

is our % haste stil the same in beta/midnight because of alacraty?

that were aiming for

[gaunt phoenix]

alacrity is just +3% haste which would show up on your stat page

The old alacrity was not on stat page

Haste is generally more valuable cause of energy and auto attack damage/Zero In

In prepatch you probably want over 30% haste

[dull geyser]

just trying to eek out more damage in these 18 beta keys etc. Im curently like haste mastery

and wondering if ishould switch to crit/haste like suggestd

[gaunt phoenix]

crit should be decently ahead of mastery until you start to get into the diminishing return

Remember crit also improves main gauche damage

while mastery is just the gauche and nothing else

[cursive gyro]

I know I was laughed at for asking about it - but I wrote an addon that plays audio queues on combo point thresholds. If anyone's looking for a way to audibly track combo points DM me.

[gaunt phoenix]

who laughed at you? shame them

[cinder relic]

Name and shame

[cursive gyro]

Naa. I misinterpret social situations. That's as far as I'll go in case I'm wrong. I just wanted to mention a source for audio combo points if anyone searches for them. I'll try to get it on the curseforge addon DB soon. My first time messing around writing Lua.

[keen pilot]

Seeing the faq made me realized I completed ignored the tea talent line XD. But thanks

[dense bridge]

is the voidspire set supposed to not have shoes

[upper surge]

what the hell is

[buoyant stratus]

i need some outlaw KINGS

whats the average like for the damage per second

?

[covert kestrel]

as long as you had fun thats all that matters

[buoyant stratus]

i havent played outlaw since changes

our boss damage is actually like

good?

kinda weirdge experience for me

[lime lake]

damn we down this bad

[covert kestrel]

down bad having fun in vidya

[sturdy vale]

i hope they make a giant bag of money when they release on xbox. They should just say thats what they're doing.

cant wait to play with people just holding the trigger down on an xbox controller and out dps'ing most

[cinder relic]

U can't even do that on live with the one button

[lime plank]

Any scrolling combat text addons yet?

[tight kernel]

How much uptime you guys have on ar now

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk details doesnt tell me anymore

[tidal horizon]

Didnt petko say feral is trash ?

[buoyant stratus]

Petko also said sub is trash so idk me thinks he should stick to ele

[nova sinew]

Bro the video of petko saying sub is trash while he never activates DSM

[craggy barn]

feral just chomps or something

nothing else

[lime lake]

Sub just strikes or something

[sturdy vale]

you can unfortunately, i ran a couple of timewalking dungeons just holding 1 button down just to see if it was possible. :/

[cursive gyro]

22-29%

[sturdy vale]

hold the button down and have 'fun' ?

[hollow coyote]

Is outlaw easier to play now? lol

[elfin mural]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[elfin mural]

any ui guide lads ?

[torn lichen]

You really didn’t just compare timewalking and its scaling to being a dps matrix for holding down a single button.

[sturdy vale]

no you made that jump by yourself

im talking about something different

[torn lichen]

guys guys guys. I held down one button in remix and topped dps

[sturdy vale]

comprehension isnt your thing, was talking about xbox players

[torn lichen]

controller input and holding down a button doesn’t involve a gaming platform in the slightest

[frail veldt]

If people are out dpsing you with OBR then you have other problems

[quaint mauve]

well yeah

[prime glade]

I only really play outlaw at this point. Should I come back for midnight

[tender wedge]

Yes

[inland meteor]

are the damage numbers for bte bugged? as in they dont pop up sometimes? or am i losing it

[ebon reef]

hows outlaw looking for you guys? im thinking of switching wagons from sub to outlaw, i cant stand the oversimplification sub got

[vapid sundial]

Depends what you want

I personally wouldn't come back

Partially bc I hate whoever the current Dev is among other things

[rich basin]

is outlaw still hardest spec?

[vague cape]

Better get ready, if outlaw remains as dogwater as it has been in raid then I’m fairly sure sin single button will unironically win

[forest bloom]

Does anyone have an estimate at how high our apm will be? At best in comparison with other specs

[quaint mauve]

none of them are hard anymore

no spec in midnight is “hard”

but hardest yeah ig

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes, the damage numbers can bug out

And when the mob dies, they will suddenly appear

If you ever saw a phantom damage number behind you, it's from a older bte

But it's just a display thing

[gaunt phoenix]

Our apm is ~67

No idea about other specs

Six seeeven

It is actually tho

[unkempt dew]

[proven ocean]

@hollow temple thoughts on my name?

iykyk

[hollow temple]

bruh

[tame dagger]

how can i sim if the stats on jewelry is just wrong v_v

vibes prio to the moon!

[cursive gyro]

I did a 13 with your setup. OBR/hold to cast.
Parsed a 60.

[drifting depot]

I’m a rogue noob and willing to try to get into outlaw this xpac, do I understand correctly that vanish is no longer part of the rotation?

Never mind, read the faq sorry

[quaint mauve]

im enjoying blade rush

it looks cool

but

can we not use bf as a builder anymore?

[honest sparrow]

We still use bf as a builder when talented into deft

[cinder summit]

!ss

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[cinder summit]

!ho

[quaint mauve]

ah i see

missed it in faq

thought deft was gone

[tropic zephyr]

Makes sense

When !ui on your stream tho

[vivid vessel]

idk when midnight release

i dont have the addons i need rn

[tropic zephyr]

Yeah I wanted to get this sorted rn but it's still chaos out there

[civic zephyr]

can i get your profile to import please?

[coarse parcel]

I'm meta recently, go sub to my patreon

[keen grove]

Anyone know a good poison reminder addon?

[frank finch]

missing class buffs

and u can click on it

[true spear]

How does outlaw compare to furry? As far as I understand it, both are apm heavy builds, who are both kinda the same but also not. But I have no real experience in either. Does somebody has experience in both and has any insight in how they both compare against each other in play-style?

[keen grove]

❤️ tysm

[agile orchid]

did you guys know that cheap shot now has a cooldown 🙂

[vivid vessel]

kinda irrelevant

vanish is on a 2min cd

so

[agile orchid]

every patch we must nerf rogue barely existent utility

little by little

why did they have to add a cooldown

after they supposedly nerfed blind

[quaint sable]

The nerfed blind?

I thought they just made it aoe baseline and the talent now just reduces cd/duration

[vivid vessel]

supposedly its a mistake

cause they removed all mentions of aoe blind in tooltips

[quaint sable]

Aah

[cinder relic]

Both are kinda similar

Fury builds rage, while outlaw has to build combo points

Fury has less buttons and less stuff to track and maintain overall

[true spear]

Is fury objectively the easier build to play?

[odd sleet]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

fury has cooldowns somewhat

[odd sleet]

There not much to fury

[vivid vessel]

even tho recently its not been very much real cooldowns

but you still have actual cds to press unlike outlaw

[true spear]

does ~~combat ~~ outlaw also have over all more buttons to press?

[vivid vessel]

idk about combat

[true spear]

*outlaw

[vivid vessel]

outlaw does have somewhat of a good number of rotational buttons tho

mostly cause we dont have buttons only reserved for aoe/st

so our whole rotation is always the same

[true spear]

why would you guys decide to play outlaw or furry?

[odd sleet]

Fury is more, what builder do I press to best get my finisher. Combat is which builder do I press to get to fastest get to decide which finisher I press

[vivid vessel]

outlaw has guns

[odd sleet]

Sorry that was a terrible explanation that made sense in my head

[true spear]

I dont understand that

[vivid vessel]

also fury isnt target capped like outlaw is

[inland meteor]

are you guys struggling a bit with energy regen in longer encounters once your tea runs out as well? or am i just ass

[vivid vessel]

thats normal

[odd sleet]

Haha okay fury has like 3 builders to 1 finisher

Outlaw has… 2-3 builders to like 3 finishers

[vivid vessel]

energy is worse than it was

[inland meteor]

do you know if it gets better at 90?

[vivid vessel]

slightly better yes

tho you wont have as much haste

so

maybe not

[odd sleet]

And the better you make those decisions correctly the faster you get your cooldowns up again

[vivid vessel]

rn we are able to get infinite haste on live

[inland meteor]

its over

[true spear]

what finisher does fury has exactly? I guess finisher for outlaw are abilitys the use combat points.

[odd sleet]

Rampage

The rage spender

[true spear]

makes sense

[cinder relic]

Whichever you find more fun

[odd sleet]

I’d say fury is way more reliant on burst during CDs too whereas outlaw always has damage for every profile and situation

[cinder relic]

Fury doesn't really have burst either..

[old gull]

Outlaw has stealth and guns

And tumbleweeds

[graceful coral]

we dont reroll anymore ?

roll the bones

its simple press it on cd except you get jackpot?

[quaint sable]

u reroll if u get lvl 1

anything over that u keep and just wait

[graceful coral]

thanks

[atomic magnet]

Do we have a new addon yet that makes it clear how mutch of the Roll the bones buff i got?

I know it works different now but to my understanding its still only worth pressing keep it rolling when you have a certain step of the buff

[mighty pivot]

you roll the tumbleweed

[sly bone]

if you track roll the bones with cooldown manager it will tell you which buff

just put the bar somewhere you can see it

[pastel sierra]

the icon is really clear too

[atomic magnet]

Thanks

[mighty pivot]

the simple rule is that as long as you don't see a purple buff (one of a kind) you can press KIR

[frail veldt]

Which parts a mistake? Do we think they actually meant to remove AOE blind all together?

[cinder relic]

the more you mention it the more likely its to get fixed

guys

[copper radish]

Did you drive out in the blizzard just to get that 😭

[cinder relic]

Maybe

[vivid vessel]

yes because it doesnt make sense to have a 20s cd aoe blind to me

but the new talent also doesnt make sense

so who knows

i think they are legit just clueless

[frail veldt]

Why would you pick short CD blind for st cc over shorter cc gouge for st cc

Literally makes no sense

[vivid vessel]

i know

[crude flower]

Simmed a few things and looked at logs and guides, guessing that multiple diffrent types of wep enchants are viable rn? (ofc it still depends on content)

[proven ocean]

me too got this the other week

[covert kestrel]

Weapon enchant difference is incredibly small

[crude flower]

Ah fair fair

[cinder relic]

badass

[crude flower]

Might go double darkness

Or just guile / tenacity
Not sure

[covert kestrel]

Don't overthink it it's prepatcg

[crude flower]

Yeye ofc

[gentle sky]

why is there no text saying that you can blind more then 1 target anymore ? but when i use it im stil doing it to all targets

[vivid vessel]

blizzard

[gentle sky]

and its 18 sec cd when i take 2 talents seams a bit low

[copper radish]

im about to abuse that CD in solo shuffle XD

[cunning swan]

guys, how does it make you feel that outlaw is dead in season 1

[copper radish]

dead? how so lmao

[cunning swan]

blade flurry nerfed 😔

[crude flower]

I was genuinly searching for it

[crude flower]

Knowing 100% something is dead before the season starts is interesting
are you a time traveller?

[cunning swan]

just a guess

you didn't feel some type of way with the blade furry nerf?

[crude flower]

Why would outlaw be dead in raid from a blade flurry nerf?

You could considering raiding part of a season

and if you mean m+
how do you know for sure

by that logic assassination is also completly dead in season 1

[vivid vessel]

tbf season usually refer to m+

[cunning swan]

I meant season 1 m+ thats fair.

[vivid vessel]

while tier refer to raid

[crude flower]

I know im just being an annoying goober

Venting my annoyance after an entire dungeon with a "disable addon" popup haha

[cunning swan]

I was thinking about how outlaw wasn't overperforming in m+ to begin with and then got its aoe nerfed significantly

[crude flower]

But i do get what you mean, i just think it's impossible to tell if something is dead before a season starts

[vivid vessel]

i mean unless its mega overtuned

its pretty much dead the whole expac

we see tho !

maybe they allow us to do 30% more st than anyone else in the game

uwu

[cunning swan]

yeah I was thinking about fury warrior

I didn't see a nerf meat cleaver

why did outlaw need one

[crude flower]

Also question, it doesn't matter what slot an embelishment goes on right?

As in, diffrent slots don't have diffrent numebrs

[cinder relic]

nop

[crude flower]

kk

[crude flower]

But yea, for me im playing it as an alt for a heroic guild that sometimes dips into mythic a bit
So as long as it's fun im happi

[vivid vessel]

its not that fun when you do 0 damage imma be fari

[near rock]

all just to play deadlock smh

[vivid vessel]

like im getting outdamaged by my tank in every pack this season

its fun up to a point

[crude flower]

Yea true

Btw you mean beta or prepatch?
Although ig outlaw isn't looking the best in both?

[vivid vessel]

i have no clue about tuning

on both beta and prepatch

numbers are irrelevant till its live

well the bf nerf isnt irrelevant tho

cause thats not really a number tuning

[crude flower]

Bliz just needs give a talent that makes BtE ricochet or smth

Would be cool :D

but yeye as you said

It's just pre/beta atm
Hope it gets tunnig for midnight or smth

[cunning swan]

this was the tuning for midnight

[crude flower]

I mean, i'd assume more can still be cahnged?
I could be wrong tho, don''t know much about how they do balancing at this stage

[cunning swan]

usually they'll tune stuff whenever the raid is out and most specs end up ok

m+ specific tuning is rarer

[vivid vessel]

outlaw will surely survive m+ with 25% bf

[crude flower]

Just make it hit twice

[cunning swan]

I'm wondering where they get the idea from to nerf it like they did

not from data?

[vivid vessel]

who knows

[cunning swan]

then they will probably go on to ignore data when that surfaces on live servers

[vivid vessel]

outlaw has legit done no aoe the whole expac

[cunning swan]

hopefully for only a single season

[vivid vessel]

s1 you were doing tank aoe

[cunning swan]

but possibly entire xpac

[vivid vessel]

s2 you were doing tank aoe until they fixed the bug and accidentaly we did damage cause they dont tune

and s3 we did tank aoe

and now we have 25% bf make sense

[cunning swan]

maybe theres a game wide push to nerf aoe dmg but I didn't really see that

[crude flower]

Maybe they just hate outlaw

[vivid vessel]

sure so we redue outlaw aoe by 2 xdd

[cunning swan]

it also seems suspicious that rogue would lead the charge on changes

[crude flower]

Either way hope they change smth about it

[solid cape]

yo there's no alternative to crackshot anymore right?

was so nice for questing and world content

[cinder relic]

Nope, no stealth interactions exist with the spec anymore

[solid cape]

yeah I figured it wouldn't be stealth, but a way to reset it out of combat would be nice. Guess I'll have to find something else for short bursts of damage for questing/rare killing

[patent mirage]

they could adjust the ace talent tbh

[desert tendon]

zac thought on preheat fire mage ui?

[vivid vessel]

ye ive seen it

banger

[desert tendon]

can you do the same for rogue please tyvm

[crude flower]

I mean just checked, outlaw did get an aura boost, but i assume it's still and aoe loss

[cunning swan]

you can pretty much ignore the aura buff

bunch of specs get aura buffed/nerfed whenever raid happens

[crude flower]

Oh fair fair
Also hi charrend, saw you on the top logs for something a day or so ago

And if im reading it right, it's mainly an issue for ST cleave as opposed to pure AoE?

[buoyant stratus]

🙂

yea ur energy gets munched in 2 target basically

[crude flower]

Ag fair

Yea i only saw people talking about the BF nerf, not remembering the aura buff

Or rather

i didn't remember the aura buff

[cunning swan]

yeah its pretty irrelevant to me. if outlaw is overtuned in raid they'll nerf it down again

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[crude flower]

More of a highwayman myself

Jkjk

[crude flower]

I mean

[cunning swan]

outlaw will probably be an average spec, like most end up. and then you're just down a lot of blade flurry dmg

[crude flower]

That's how it works no?

If something is overtuned, it gets nerfed

but ig what you mean

raid nerf affecting aoe

[vivid vessel]

the issue is

they nerfed bf so much

unless you do way more st

then you will do 0 aoe

and idk blizzard has not been keen about letting outlaw be top st in recent history

[hasty warren]

respectable

[cunning swan]

yeah the tuning just needs to be significantly higher now than before

[crude flower]

Know what they should do
They should bring back trickster having feint be an aoe damage source or whatever
That's 100% gonna fix it trust

[cunning swan]

what would fix it is doing aoe/m+ tuning

[gaunt phoenix]

It's also that they've tuned bf like 3 times, every time they tune outlaw they take away bf

[cunning swan]

which this is supposed to be

[gaunt phoenix]

like you can only do that so many times

[vivid vessel]

what are they gonna do if outlaw is still 10% behind in st

another 10% aura buff and 10% bf nerf

[gaunt phoenix]

5% bf

[crude flower]

If they wanna keep doing that, they sould be adding things that help with aoe

[vivid vessel]

hmge

[cunning swan]

I mean ideally you'd just want good tuning. don't have to add shit

[crude flower]

Yea

[cunning swan]

but instead of the top performing aoe specs getting their aoe cut significantly. outlaw gets their aoe cut significantly

specs that function virtually the same, don't see their cleave % cut

[crude flower]

How about this
Buff blade flurry to 100% of damage
Just give outlaw the best aoe in the game

[cunning swan]

putting you on the line with ion rn

[gaunt phoenix]

We basically already had that and it wasn't

[vivid vessel]

idk considering we are the only spec that is target capped and has no burst it would seem fair

[fathom bramble]

some other specs got their ST to cleave passive conversions nerfed, but it's all specs that have other sources of aoe alongside it

[vivid vessel]

to be doing the most cleave

but oh well

[crude flower]

isn't fury / mm still capped?

[fathom bramble]

fury and mm still have capped skills

but they deal a meaningful amount of softcapped / uncapped damage on live

or well in TWW

[vivid vessel]

no

[fathom bramble]

unsure of how midnight may have changed it

[crude flower]

Midnight made it so you have to be a turret with MM last time i checked with like
2.5 second cast time on aimed shot or something

[cunning swan]

mm lost explosive shot

fury nerfed on reap the storm I think

[crude flower]

Wait they did?
I thought it was just sv/bm losing it

[cunning swan]

I didn't see it last time I logged in

[crude flower]

Huh, maybe?
I know you can still make volley shoot explosive shots

but i don't see the talent baseline
Lemmie relog hunter and check rq

Ok well now that hunter lost it

[fathom bramble]

looks like on a black arrow build they were mostly hardcapped damage

[crude flower]

give it to outlaw
Explosive shot

[fathom bramble]

but hardcapped at 9 for the black arrow copying Aimed shot for some reason

[crude flower]

Idk frag rounds on a flintlock or smth

[fathom bramble]

with a small amount(like 10-15%) softcapped damage

[craggy barn]

we have br now its fine

[crude flower]

Throw some ale at someone to get them up

[random stirrup]

perhaps they think blade rush is gonna pump aoe

[cunning swan]

xd

psychic link is at like 45% dmg tuning as well for spriest

[crude flower]

Worst part is that genuinly could be what they are thinking

[fathom bramble]

we were already behind on cleave and they just nerfed BF instead of buffing us globally

it doesn't really make sense

[crude flower]

cause isn't the tierset about that

[cunning swan]

they get dots/shadowy apparitions on top

[crude flower]

Wanna know the best part

[fathom bramble]

and it's hard to maintain the stance of "That's probably too low, but they can tune it back up" when that was the stance around it being nerfed to 35%

[crude flower]

On survival im basically doing my ST rotation in aoe (sorta simmilar to outlaw, both have some changes)
And on sv its nuclear level damage

[cunning swan]

yeah idk how they do their targets for aoe dmg but its clearly not based on data from beta m+

[fathom bramble]

well yeah that's another thing

if we were destroying people in beta keys, but losing in ST then it would be different

[cunning swan]

yeah im down for good tuning

if its a needed nerf what can u do

didnt really see any indications of outlaw supremacy

[fathom bramble]

the only way to rationalize this is to assume they want to reduce passive cleave across the board(even though only 4 specs got theirs reduced) and they just forgot outlaw does only passive cleave

[potent ore]

Since coup has the lowest prio of all finishers, there is no point in tracking either escalating blade or coup ?

[fathom bramble]

yeah no point

[potent ore]

thank you my good sir

also is there any point in tracking the coin flipping?

[fathom bramble]

also no point

[potent ore]

and thats why you should be paid the big bucks

[fathom bramble]

good rule of thumb is that if the guide doesn't say to take actions based on a passive you can safely just not track it

[gaunt phoenix]

pretty much just need to track bf, AR, opportunity, rtb, loaded dice

[old gull]

Tank rogue spec when

[desert tendon]

s4 df

when we had 62% versa

and no haste tax

[potent ore]

ages ago i had a weakaura that reduced a number from 400 to 150 or whatever it was that made it feel better to press le buttons

how do i acheive this now

[loud garden]

Spell queue window?

/console SpellQueueWindow X

[potent ore]

correct dude

is that something that needs to be done after every relog?

[vivid vessel]

no you do it once

never again

[potent ore]

was it 150?

[gaunt phoenix]

Spell queue is your own preference

[loud garden]

150 feels nice on outlaw but keep in mind u need to spam buttons super fast to not lose gcds over a long period

[potent ore]

dear lord it worked

have been hitting dummies for a while now and it felt like the game is lagging

[vapid blaze]

did a key
got like 4-5 ace procs in a row

i miss old crackshot 🙁

[gaunt phoenix]

i keep trying to open with bte thinking its off cd from stealth

[vapid blaze]

for that short period something actually happened
outside its so boring

and i get legit withdrawel after AR runs out

[keen belfry]

green name btw

remove him from greenname

now

#bansolo

[vivid vessel]

#nukesolo

[copper radish]

We still vanishing for offense? 😭

[flint sedge]

Hey everyone 💪🏽

[ionic isle]

is anyone having an issue of stealth just dropping off in delves?

[inland meteor]

stealth drops off anywhere for me

[round rampart]

Is Outlaw "easy" or easier in midnight? I always liked the spec but I'm really bad at multi tasking and keeping buffs/ dots/ ... up. I mainly play M+ and Delves

[pastel sierra]

Its easier than before

[vivid vessel]

a disabled baby could play outlaw now

[round rampart]

How's the AOE? I really feel liek I'm messing up

I'm trying the rotation from Wowhead etc but I just can't seem to get used to it/ feel like I'm constantly lacking a lot

[cinder relic]

If you can do the st rotation, you can do the aoe. It's just adding blade flurry to the mix of things to juggle

[gaunt phoenix]

There's only so many buttons

you have a small set of builders, finishers, and cooldowns

[round rampart]

is there a good video guide I can follow? I feel like reading things is just not for me :p

[potent ore]

i think this goes harder on sub

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel better cooldown managers combo points are much faster than senseis atleast, on beta

does that addon do any cvar stuff?

like im literally able to get a screenshot of the difference

or solo can save me

[gaunt phoenix]

not aware of one

[keen belfry]

from slow cp (combo points)

[gaunt phoenix]

just say cps

[keen belfry]

theres gotta be a setting

[keen belfry]

child protection services

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[keen belfry]

combo point abbreviations are just cooked

let me check the lua

[vivid vessel]

WHATDEHELLY

THATS RAZY BRO

[keen belfry]

help me find the setting

[vivid vessel]

its the slow cp setting

[keen belfry]

mm yes i see

[gaunt phoenix]

you said reading text might not help but maybe i can, outlaw is not a burst spec you are just kinda maintaining uptime on stuff (roll the bones, blade rush, blade flurry in aoe, adrenaline rush when available)
if you are below 6 CPs you decide what builder to press (usually sinister strike, or pistol shot if it is proc'd, or blade flurry in aoe)
if you are at 6 or 7 CPs you decide what finisher to press (usually between the eyes if it is ready, but dispatch if its not, and killing spree if it is part of your build)

that's kind of it but it is sometimes easy to lose track of stuff so you need a good UI setup

outlaw generally presses cooldowns over finishers, if you mistakenly press a finisher when a cooldown is ready, you lose cooldown reduction on it

also my #outlaw-faq is good yes

[vivid vessel]

bro said he didnt do reading and you drop all that ?

gg bro

muted

!ban @gaunt phoenix trolling newcomers

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe i should make a video guide and you can get my sexy country twink voice

[round rampart]

I really did f*king nee this lol

Why aren't guides as simple as this xD

I just don't udnerstand the "oh yeah do this with this proc, make sure to keep this up in order to cast that"

I just don't understand that, I'm a noob 🙁

[quaint sable]

I mean saying u cant do reading and then asking in a chat where u will be required to read the response is kinda crazy.

[gaunt phoenix]

it's fairly common that someone prefers a video guide

[quaint sable]

I find the priority lists u make with the icons p easy to quickly get the idea.

[gaunt phoenix]

[fathom bramble]

I think the Solo guide is super good

some other classes I would probably just consume the apl directly instead

guide too long

[light kernel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[fathom bramble]

well that entire command is now nonsense

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.

Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.

[quaint sable]

lol

[vivid vessel]

you still get ub from ks no ?

[gaunt phoenix]

is that it?

[vivid vessel]

or do you not

[gaunt phoenix]

true

or idk

[vivid vessel]

idk bro i played fb only on beta

i dont remember what changed

with cocker

[gaunt phoenix]

cocker

[quaint sable]

Do u keep the supercharger from the adren rush?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah

[quaint sable]

and if so might not be worth wasting it on KS for UB

[desert tendon]

Prekey fuckery being 2 lines

What happened to my outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean it used to not even be that much

[quaint sable]

If u did the double cast of RTB it was a bit

Tho tbh I noramlyl just spammed RTB in dorn anyway

[keen belfry]

zac sensei doesnt use UNIT_POWER_UPDATE

is that why its slower, idk

[fathom bramble]

are we going to for the first time since outlaws release not really have prepull shenanigans 🤔

like if your fatebound ST there's nothing going on really

[quaint sable]

can u prestack lucky coin?

Can we get some dumb turnip action going like enhance has done several tiers.

[vivid vessel]

you cant dummy in raid

[gaunt phoenix]

Duel a friend

[vivid vessel]

you cant duel in instances

[gaunt phoenix]

fuk..

[leaden sonnet]

Can you not pre Disorient Strikes as outlaw?

As trickster

[quaint sable]

summon out summon in

[vivid vessel]

yes you can

on trash or before dying

[leaden sonnet]

Ye or before key starts

[vivid vessel]

but its kinda useless ompared to sub

yes i mean

we do it

[leaden sonnet]

Ic ic

[vivid vessel]

its just useless

[leaden sonnet]

Ye just saw that it wasnt mentioned in the pre-key command

But probably too useless

[vivid vessel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.

Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.

[vivid vessel]

solo stop sleeping

[gaunt phoenix]

yes zac said it 2 messages later

[ripe ibex]

@keen belfry hey

[vivid vessel]

so why is it not updated yet

???

[gaunt phoenix]

[keen belfry]

hey

[ripe ibex]

1-10 how doom r u

[keen belfry]

outlaw is very boring on beta

preaptch*

[vivid vessel]

no shit

[ripe ibex]

i haven’t even tried it bro

[keen belfry]

its a little better on beta, but its very boring

[ripe ibex]

the grapple hook thing alone

[fathom bramble]

pretty sure all fatebound stuff resets on encounter start anyway

[gaunt phoenix]

the flips do yeah

[keen belfry]

your rotation is our previous filler rotation, with nothing to lookforward to or press

[fathom bramble]

could be worth double checking since you can stack it on trash I guess though

[gaunt phoenix]

[quaint sable]

ye just thought since they changed how lucky coin worked and since its now just after 7 flips u can maybe get to 6 before it starts since its a perma aura like escalating blade

[fathom bramble]

your running total of fatebound flips resets on encounter start too

[quaint sable]

🙁 sad

[gaunt phoenix]

!update

[ornate heath]

Updated.

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

• Use Adrenaline Rush to activate Loaded Dice.
• As Trickster, use KS to activate Disorienting Strikes.
• Do NOT use RTB before the key, you will lose it.

[silver venture]

Yeah am i trippin or is grapple hook slower now

[gaunt phoenix]

it is

[quaint sable]

Ye they changed retractable hook to no longer speed it up

its only cdr on the ability now

[ripe ibex]

its the worst part

[silver venture]

I cant count how many times i died on raid cuz i greeded knowing hook would save me before

Now its gonna happen even more

[quaint sable]

Ive def gotten caught in abilities cause I expect it to be snappy

[vivid vessel]

ye cause idk

it was fun

and its wow

you cant have fun in a video game

you have to hate your life if you play wow

[quaint sable]

First they take acro now this, really want all specs to feel like shit to move around the battlefield ig

[radiant wyvern]

pressing grapple now is more like a suggestion to move there sometime in the next 3-5 business days

[quaint sable]

Next we'll see speed signs in raid encounters

[radiant wyvern]

state troopers gonna be parked with radar guns

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[round rampart]

am I missing something here? :p

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, cant use a dagger mainhand

[quaint sable]

daggers arent 1 handers

[round rampart]

ooooo

I see 😄

thanks guys

[quaint sable]

need a sword/axe/mace

[gaunt phoenix]

dagger offhand is good though (and better)

[quaint sable]

Can we mog daggers to swords?

[gaunt phoenix]

yep

[quaint sable]

I havent actually tried yet

Wow 1 good change

[faint pendant]

and transmogs are tied to items slots instead of items

now too

[vivid vessel]

only good outlaw change this expac is a game wide change

[quaint sable]

Basically

I mean removing the anti funnel from fatebound was decent

[brave lagoon]

plater can't handle buff/debuff filtering anymore*, right?

[faint pendant]

not now

but blizzard said that they will add it

[brave lagoon]

I'll just disable it altogether for now because holy fuck

[faint pendant]

ye

it's crazy

[vivid vessel]

they said a lot of things

[brave lagoon]

on top of blizz stacking nameplates not stacking at all

yeah fam no problem, just click that interrupt bar in there somewhere

[quaint sable]

LMAO

[brave lagoon]

just blizzard things

can't even make the nameplates space themselves more than this

[quaint sable]

I saw my sub was expiring for the next payment in 4 days so I canceled it and probs will only resub in midnight hopeing some of the addon jank is fixed

dont mind saving 1 month worth of sub if the game is unplayable anyway

[brave lagoon]

the reaction time and adjustment of nameplates when moving the camera is so slow too

if you or the mobs move too much they still do the dance like those beta videos

[quaint sable]

Ye landing any kick is a pain

[vivid vessel]

dw bro blizzard will fix it

[brave lagoon]

if I toggle test cast bars look how easy it is to pick one out of the others!

[quaint sable]

saeeing the spell they are casting is also just not doable

just gotta guess

[brave lagoon]

gotta use the interrupt macro again I guess

[quaint sable]

I mean I still have a sperate bind for focus kick and mouseover kick esp now that we have -5 buttons

[brave lagoon]

except we don't have -5 buttons don't we

vanish I guess

[ripe ibex]

consoles cant keep up with quick grapple hook

had to go

[quaint sable]

ret's complained other specs were faster than them

[brave lagoon]

don't worry they'll fix the ghost grappling cancel if cast over a slight bump in exchange for slower speed /s

[inland meteor]

dont think ive ever been so unsure what to main coming into an expansion

i was 100% certain it was going to be outlaw but now idk

something feels off with the pirate fellas

[wintry solar]

w

[tender wedge]

had the opposite experience, i thought i was locked into shaman but then played a bit of outlaw and now rogue back on the table

[inland meteor]

enhancement was my main in tww but idk about that mf anymore either

[tender wedge]

i haven't played it since dabbling in s1 when it was OP

[inland meteor]

they kinda lost me when they changed the crash lightning animation, feels weird now

[tender wedge]

had a bit of a play in prepatch, i think if i got familiar with it again it would give me the hectic enjoyment that outlaw does

[inland meteor]

yeah maybe i just need to lock in to outlaw for a bit and get in the groove

[copper radish]

Platynator will be ur friend trust

That looks like hell 😂

[brave lagoon]

I might grab it to see how it behaves

but if it can't control how aggressive the stacking is then idk

[radiant wyvern]

you can control the stacking with it

[brave lagoon]

🏃‍♂️‍➡️ comin in hot

[inland meteor]

yeah platynator is good stuff

[tender wedge]

+1 for platynator

[buoyant stratus]

Guys im ngl

[tender wedge]

the dev is a longstanding addon maker too so less likely support disappears as it will with a bunch of other new addons

[buoyant stratus]

Im having a lot more fun with beta outlaw than i expected to

[gaunt phoenix]

[frank finch]

yeah dmg is fun

[inland meteor]

yes give me hope

[tender wedge]

i feel like most people are pleasantly surprised

i was

[buoyant stratus]

My only gripe is energy when on stage 1 rtb

[inland meteor]

one of the goat addon devs for sure

chattynator is also super nice

[buoyant stratus]

I really really like menacing rush giving us a real cooldown, and the feeling of 4-5 stack bte during AR

Fun spec

[tender wedge]

the only thing i'll miss are the big BTE chains but i feel like the spec makes more sense now

[inland meteor]

we still spam AR on cooldown tho right

[tender wedge]

within reason yeah

[quaint sable]

Just way less uptime on ar

[tender wedge]

same as any other short CD, you'd hold for damage amp / add spawn / upcoming downtime etc

[copper radish]

Outlaw is solid fun

[tender wedge]

but not TOO long

[inland meteor]

ye fair

[silk stirrup]

How does AR interact with KS. Does it speed it up? Does AR stop ticking during KS? Do we KS if we have AR up?

[covert kestrel]

even as a scrub im finding totemic enh pretty smooth and fun so far, more smooth than outlaw feels to me

[inland meteor]

yeah ive been stormbringer mainly never really checked out totemic

maybe its time

[gaunt phoenix]

it doesn't interact with KS and will keep ticking down

[lime lake]

the shaman in my guild really likes totemic enh

seems pretty good

[silk stirrup]

Do we still want to cast KS if AR is up?

[covert kestrel]

hot hand window is like the closest in the game to crackshot

[gaunt phoenix]

you do still KS during AR, or you lose cooldown reduction on KS

it does feel a bit weird, but you can cancel ks with a finisher after it regens you to high cps

also if KS and AR are ready at the same time you can prioritize KS first

[silk stirrup]

Is clipping it during AR considered better than letting it finish?

[silk stirrup]

Ah, really? The prio list in wowhead says to AR before KS, even without menacing rush

[gaunt phoenix]

clipping it doesnt seem to change your dps in the long run, so it's just preference

KS is terrible priority damage though

so canceling it is "better" at prio

[inland meteor]

KS is only trickster right? or do you spec into it when going fatebound

[gaunt phoenix]

it's only trickster

[silk stirrup]

Probably only trickster

It seems pretty weak and mostly good for trickster shenanigans

[silk stirrup]

All right, thanks.

Still getting used to this new world without perma AR

[gaunt phoenix]

it's an optimization that doesnt matter a whole lot, i wrote about it here #1276307559061524652 message

[keen belfry]

we are making a better addon that sensei, or atleast trying to

wish me luck

[silk stirrup]

I mean, that makes sense to me. That's why I found it curious that the wowhead guy states the opposite (to AR first)

[inland meteor]

good luck

what are you trying to improve

[gaunt phoenix]

If the opener you should AR RTB BTE first

[keen belfry]

its slower than other addons, the combo points

[gaunt phoenix]

the "general priority" is cooldowns before finishers, but then I looked at KS priority like 2 days ago

and found that it is fine

so i wrote it in my thing, but wowhead doesnt necessarily need to replicate my little updates

[fathom bramble]

the thing I need most is being able to color each combo point individually

I believe in you

[keen belfry]

for y?

[fathom bramble]

I like it

it looks better

[craggy barn]

easier read of what cp ur at at a glance

[fathom bramble]

combo points when you shouldn't finish all a diff color from finisher amounts

[craggy barn]

differentiating between 4cp and 5/6cp is nice
or like max cp for deathsatlkers mark when playing sub/sin

[vivid vessel]

noobs

[craggy barn]

just more at a glance shit

[inland meteor]

have you checked out twintops resource bar? i think you can color them individually there

[keen belfry]

oh like, combo points are red at 5+ combo ?

[craggy barn]

zac shush ur tank out dpses u

[vivid vessel]

buddy bud

[fathom bramble]

that is my old WA combo points

[keen belfry]

i see

[vivid vessel]

i prolly have twice your io zomb stfu

[fathom bramble]

I'll look into it thanks

[craggy barn]

ur just like the rest of us

u have 6k io?

holy

[fathom bramble]

my green ones use to be red until we had a raid where the entire ground was red

[inland meteor]

yeah check out twintop, the default setting is the last 2 ´cps recoloured, but i think you can change it

[fathom bramble]

so I changed it to green

[keen belfry]

my enhance WA pack changed at above 5 amelstrom

was so banger

[inland meteor]

twintops does this as well

[fathom bramble]

different colors just makes it way easier for me to tell at a glance and I like how it looks

[craggy barn]

my 5 was orange, my 6+ was red and max was purple when deathstalker

[keen belfry]

banger

[inland meteor]

its peak im afraid

[keen belfry]

WAs man..

[craggy barn]

weak af

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-a-banger-banger-not-a-banger-i-know-bangers-funny-gif-8313829486429889605

[gaunt phoenix]

competitive advantage im afraid

[craggy barn]

imagine having the game play for u

[fathom bramble]

true

[craggy barn]

thank god they removed all addons

[fathom bramble]

everyone should just use the default ugly red circles that have animation delay

[craggy barn]

now everyone will be equal playing field

[covert kestrel]

Can't wait for these top players to not have crutches anymore and play like you're supposed to!

[craggy barn]

top players arent top!

they just had robots play theg ame for them

[keen belfry]

i agree no cap

[craggy barn]

now they will be just like the rest of us

[inland meteor]

so true king

[fathom bramble]

remember when we use to finish at 4

there's a nice ooold screnshot for you

[craggy barn]

lol

[untold wadi]

mafic has a chance at title now 🏄🏿‍♂️

fair playing field

[vivid vessel]

low max cp was so much nicer

[covert kestrel]

It's honestly pretty ableist they pushed it to 7 cp now, what about everyone who can't count above 5

[vivid vessel]

real bro wtf

[wet nest]

theyre playing warrior

[keen belfry]

i hope you guys know if you use my addon, if i make it, the / commands are /cp

so

[covert kestrel]

[vivid vessel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[fathom bramble]

now THIS was the correct ui

idk why this has like 80% transparency

[gaunt phoenix]

wonder how anticipation would do with outlaw nowadays

[fathom bramble]

could have been cool with crack

[vivid vessel]

this looks like dog ass

[fathom bramble]

but now I feel it would just make everything a simple finish at 7

[vivid vessel]

no cap

[inland meteor]

Yeah that is kinda ugly

Not even kinda

[fathom bramble]

well it was a while ago

[inland meteor]

ok Ur excused

[fathom bramble]

I apparently thought it was ugly at the time too

[inland meteor]

The technology wasn’t there yet

[fathom bramble]

given that I only have 1 screenshot of it and then it changes again

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry what do you think about my cps bro

[keen belfry]

give

[vivid vessel]

sorry its a weak aura

[keen belfry]

is it?

[vivid vessel]

yes

[keen belfry]

it looks like one

dude making addons is so cringe

[vivid vessel]

imma just keep using weak aura bro

[keen belfry]

WA is just better

[vivid vessel]

like whatever

surely it wont break too bad later down the line

[fathom bramble]

it changes to weakauras and the WA I have now used since then and modified over the course of 10 years

[vivid vessel]

but then i guess i cant share my ui

if its all weak aura