wait that wouldnt matter since it doesnt refund the actual cd
#outlaw
proven ocean
frail veldt
You know if bte had charges then gravedigger and ace wouldn't overlap
glass mortar
why did they design it this way
wintry solar
Or something new entirely
gaunt phoenix
frail veldt
You could get both
wintry solar
.>
glass mortar
why are we so afraid to give outlaw a real second proc
i thought this was a proc spec
frail veldt
i thought this was a proc spec
Nah this is a simple builder spender spec now
glass mortar
we went from like 3? 4? procs that we could need to instantly respond to in our gameplay to 1
frail veldt
Like ret paladin
frail veldt
Lol it doesn't
gaunt phoenix
my favorite is coup de grace which just happens and you dont need to see it
glass mortar
it makes u think the tree has gameplay 
and the icon is pretty
we wouldnt have this pretty icon if it didnt exist
wintry solar
Pretty lame
vapid blaze
can u never overcap or smth
like wouldnt u try to spend the coup even at lower combo points?
fathom bramble
coup just isn't strong enough to want to prevent overcapping
vapid blaze
lmao
fathom bramble
since flawless form is almost always at 5 stacks anyway
gaunt phoenix
you can coup early if you have the guaranteed blade but it also doesnt matter
fathom bramble
you don't get the added total flawless uptime benefit anymore
glass mortar
capping flawless was huge for it
they saw there was actual gameplay in the tree and were like wait this was supposed to be like fatebound
vapid blaze
guess the form is flawed 🙂
fathom bramble
wasting an unseen proc is basically the same thing as wasting 1.25 combo points
could it matter?
maybe
is it worth thinking about?
probably not
fathom bramble
actually it's worse than 1.25 combo points
since they can only be spent on our weakest finisher
wintry solar
I hope they realize they overstepped and correct the oversimplification like they did with a few specs.
But my hopes ain't entirely high
I like filler outlaw, love it even. But idk there's a point where it's too much.
wintry solar
100%
fathom bramble
but how long can the old stay fun again?
they'll add more stuff back though I'm sure of it
especially if they try to make some of our more lacklustre/terrible talents better
wintry solar
I can handle an expansion for sure. But 2 idk
Probably but I don't want to test that theory
fluid cobalt
grappling hook is a little slower but it doesn't seem to fail anymore yeah? Can grapple through elevation and sht now
fathom bramble
I was able to reliably snap it on patch day
are you testing it at extreme elevation outside of a dungeon?
wintry solar
Or arena/battlegound?
fluid cobalt
I'm sure arena still has similar intentional LoS fails, but open world it's kinda nuts
fathom bramble
those boxes not snapping it is a bit weird, but they might just be an exception
wintry solar
Grapple doesn't fail in bgs or arenas
fathom bramble
other than that neither of those hooks really have the kind of obstacles that would snap it
I'll go check somewhere that should be conclusive
maybe it is fixed
fluid cobalt
I've been doing a good amount of open world, scenarios, delves for Decor and really haven't run into a fail I can recall. Just a quick example
fluid cobalt
I've been running old world content for the last month and have definitely been pissed many times from fails. Not seeing that anymore
fathom bramble
the 2nd los check straight up doesn't happen in instances and therefor can't 'snap' your hook
wintry solar
I'm sure there are exceptions though
fluid cobalt
Maybe not instances specifically
wintry solar
Well I've had my weekly doom
fathom bramble
grappling through this terrain still snaps it as expected
better angle of the height
another simple snap here trying to go over this tiny hill into a ditch on the other side
and just in case anyone has forgotten this snapping is different from when you get no path available or target not in line of sight errors
snapping is when the hook fires, goes on CD, and does not move your character
fluid cobalt
Yeah definitely know the difference, might just be coincidence but I haven't been intentionally trying to break my grapples, just noticed it seems to have been failing less from normal use
Could be anecdotal & incorrect tho
little/no "that should've worked" moments
fathom bramble
Yeah could have just been luck and coincidence
keen belfry
cant believe 3 ppl @wintry solar @quaint mauve @past falcon thought i was a twink
done
quaint mauve
its like a fair assumption
wintry solar
It's how you present yourself
wintry solar
You type like you wear thigh highs
keen belfry
jealous?
wintry solar
That's not true, I just wanted to make the joke.
keen belfry
youre redneckl?
wintry solar
Ye
keen belfry
midwest cuh
wintry solar
Cold redneck
keen belfry
brrrr
harsh forge
outlaw feels pretty good in single target rn but raid is a joke
oblique trench
Do I press RTB when I have LD even when I am already at stage 2 or do I wait until RTB runs out?
harsh forge
im pretty sure were only rerolling stage 1
prisma lantern
Hi all, how feel outlaw in term off GamePlay, button to press and dynamisme please ?
Thx a lot
wintry solar
It's smooth but it's also not super engaging
prisma lantern
What you mean ? Sory i am Bad in English
wintry solar
Hi all, how feel outlaw in term off GamePlay, button to press and dynamisme plea...
✅
frail veldt
Hi all, how feel outlaw in term off GamePlay, button to press and dynamisme plea...
easy and repetitive
gentle sky
Do we use ambush as an opener or just ss?
vague summit
Hi, kidna of a dumb quesitons, but I haven't found a clear answer.
Where and when should I use Slice and DIce in the rotation?
frail veldt
you dont
wintry solar
Never, it's applied automatically
frail veldt
it auto casts when you dispatch
wintry solar
Via dispatch
vague summit
okay, that makes sense
vague summit
thank you a ton
vague summit
I was just looking at the tea, thanks again
dark ermine
Can it be that uf you AR and rtb, if you hit a natural jackpot your loaded dice isnt consumed?
dark ermine
I said it cause it gave me the impression that happened
river wing
Is there any real value in delaying AR w/ Supercharger to align them with BtE? Like in case where a single Dispatch will clear BtE CD, but AR is already available
frail veldt
nope
river wing
so just slam?
frail veldt
ye-p
river wing
huh
frail veldt
bte doesnt really do much damage
wintry solar
Yes just slam
frail veldt
your priority is completely in efficient cp usage
we try to not overcap cps and we try to not waste energy
20% of our damage is auto attacks
so wasting adr cd to get an extra 2cp on a bte instead of a dispatch isnt really worth it
nocturne saddle
Do I press RTB when I have LD even when I am already at stage 2 or do I wait unt...
Bumping bc was also wondering this
cinder relic
bte doesnt really do much damage
What
prisma lantern
What is thé spec off rogue more dynamique and fun please?
With more buton to press, procs and no downtime
Thx a lot 🙂
pastel pendant
@prisma lantern there isn’t outlaw is gutted now there’s no fun or engaging gameplay anymore it’s literally TWWs downtime rotation
wintry solar
What he's saying is its outlaw how it's usually been for most of its existence
wintry solar
Probably Subtlety if I had to guess
lucid stirrup
Sub is very simple but still feels very fun to me
the damage is snappy, rotation comfortable
prisma lantern
Witch spé hás more buton to press with no downtime?
olive spire
probably still outlaw
wintry solar
Yeah it's probably the fastest rogue spec still
prisma lantern
Ok thx a lot!
frail veldt
What
Yeah compared to before bte damage wise is a lot weaker
It's crit chance was reduced by like 75% and it's crit damage reduced by 25%
And abilities themselves were nerfed multiple times
harsh forge
we did so much more damage before prepatch bro bte was doing like millions of damage
wintry solar
Ye we had a stat squish
mighty pivot
did guy really call 1ace "super ruthlessness" when it gives like 1/10 the combo points? 
wintry solar
Well when it procs it gives a couple extra CP than ruthlessness
I don't think he meant it any deeper than that
mighty pivot
ok but it's by far our worst source of combo points
quaint mauve
still think that picture of awang was ai
wintry solar
You really wanted awang to be a twink huh?
wintry solar
We gotta make that tier list eventually
quaint mauve
the cat tier list?
mighty pivot
It's like 2 extra CP per sometimes
it ends up being like half the gain from improved AR or deal fate. They could remove the cp gain on ace and it would not be noticeable
quaint mauve
my cat would be at the top
wintry solar
No the twink tier list
wintry solar
Who'd be at the bottom
mighty pivot
you. you sound like a bottom
wintry solar
You'd be at the top
Because that's a very twinky thing to say
Dang I miss twinkies
When they came back they changed idk
jaunty orbit
can any check my problem in sin tab plz
robust berry
Okay so I was thinking of coming back to Outlaw in MN, but content creators on YouTube saying that Outlaw is rubbish atm making me have 2nd thoughts
So I ask here, whats your feeling about the specs
wintry solar
Oh boy
mighty pivot
try it in prepatch. It's 95% the same as it will be in midnight. The opinions on it are divided because they went a bit overboard with simplifying
pastel sierra
Okay so I was thinking of coming back to Outlaw in MN, but content creators on Y...
The question you should be asking yourself rn is if YOU think the spec is fun
pastel sierra
Truu
wintry solar
They all hate it but they ain't leaving
pastel sierra
At some point close to s1 you can ask yourself if outlaw is good enough for u to main with the goals u have in mind
wintry solar
So someone's lying
pastel sierra
I swapped to assa cause i spent 70% less time applying to groups in s3
mighty pivot
They all hate it but they ain't leaving
wintry solar
They say the only time an outlaw main is happy is when they're playing a different class.
mighty pivot
there aren't that many fast paced specs, and some people like to stick to 1 spec/class
so having complaints has no/little bearing on playing outlaw
wintry solar
AI response
torn lichen
They say the only time an outlaw main is happy is when they're playing a differe...
They’re only happy when they’re miserable in class discord. 
night panther
Does anyone else have the problem that CPs have a slight delay showing Up?
night panther
Doesnt Matter. Forst used Sensei, deactivated it and Base it still delays slightly. Mildly infuriating If you think you Hit on 3, want to use PS and then another 2 cp Show Up Giga delayed so i have 5. Ping is 9-15ms so No prob there
torn lichen
Doesnt Matter. Forst used Sensei, deactivated it and Base it still delays slight...
I haven’t ran into it personal. I did a full uninstall and nuked everything Tuesday morning.
mighty pivot
do you have a clip of what "giga delayed" is?
night panther
I haven’t ran into it personal. I did a full uninstall and nuked everything Tues...
Maybe i should do that too Just to be 100% sure
Unfortunately not. And im on Break at Work to cant Clip IT right now. But between 1st CP gained and the prog CP adding i would say are half a sec from Feeling. But i Reinstall fresh First and Look If IT still happens
torn lichen
Try to record before reinstall
Curious the difference
I know some folks having dx12 issues with base nameplate
hollow bloom
Is there anything to do right now besides being disappointed with outlaw? Just brawlers guild for content right?
mighty pivot
reinstalling the game won't affect that. That could be server/connection related
signal valley
I know some folks having dx12 issues with base nameplate
What kind of issues? I've not seen anyone mention this yet
torn lichen
FPS drops
tender breach
finally my ArcUI is finished. Turned like the one I had while WA's were legit. Just waiting for frame strata priority to be implemented and sound on cooldowns and I wont miss anything
tender breach
@pastel sierra oh I need the cooldown for BF cause of the 13 sec. How can I do that?
pastel sierra
@tender breach right click BF in the cooldowns tab of cooldown manager
tender breach
@pastel sierra thnxzzz
cursive gyro
mighty pivot
anvil strike enjoyer
cursive gyro
I miss gunshot 🙁
waxen crag
finally my ArcUI is finished. Turned like the one I had while WA's were legit. J...
Hey! I really like your ArcUI setup.
Any chance you’d be willing to share your profile? Totally cool if not 🙂
vivid vessel
dont share !
mighty pivot
ye ask them to sign up on your patreon first
haughty moat
dont share !
where is yours huh?
placid marsh
<@309395578876329984> right click BF in the cooldowns tab of cooldown manager
where is cooldowns manager? I enable it but cant find the settings
vivid vessel
i cant do what i want with current addons
even tho what i want to do is possible
current addons are just
not enough yet
frank finch
wehat do u want to do
vivid vessel
wehat do u want to do
I need an addon that just
placid marsh
nvm I see it!
vivid vessel
you add groups, and then in groups you can add icons, either buffs or cds, or bars (buffs/cd)
- the addon should also do ressources
just a class pack addon basically
its not even hard to do
frank finch
so
vivid vessel
its just a lot of work
haughty moat
hmmm
vivid vessel
ew
frank finch
well it has what u want
vivid vessel
is it behind paywall
frank finch
start here
placid marsh
how do I move the cooldowns manager bars? it wont let me in edit mode
frank finch
is it behind paywall
yea but i can hook u up if its what u need
vivid vessel
ye
mighty pivot
how do I move the cooldowns manager bars? it wont let me in edit mode
make sure cooldown manager is ticked on edit mode's window
vivid vessel
i think its not bad
it looks good
might be what; i was looking for
not sure yet
send me some links bro
placid marsh
got it ty sir
vivid vessel
but bro if its paywalled its so annoying
i cant share my ui then
or well
i guess i dont care
paywalling is illegal anyway
frank finch
can share with me 🙂
frank finch
hold
mighty pivot
robbing the rl outlaws 
olive spire
paywalling addons is theoretically against tos but blizzard never cared
vapid sundial
paywalling addons is theoretically against tos but blizzard never cared
Its bc they used a loophole
you didnt pay for the addon
you paid for the import to the addon
olive spire
then importing too many strings was too much and they made an addon that imports the strings paywalled lmao
covert kestrel
They all hate it but they ain't leaving
I'm not leaving because I love you guys
wintry solar
I'm not leaving because I love you guys
Dawwwww
ebon nimbus
just tried ol and my cp generation feels slightly delayed. does anybody else have this? if not i may have to look for a reason why it behaves like this
ebon nimbus
i use sensei, but yeah
it feels like i get up to 5 cp and then another cp comes out
maybe i record it
hard to explain via text
why this matters to me is, faq says finish with 6, but if i have 5 cp and my 6th comes later i may waste ss
vivid vessel
i think there is a cvar
we didnt have the issue with weak auras cause it was different
one sec let me see
i cant remmeber
i know i had to do something on beta
but i dont remember what
ebon nimbus
okay at least its not only me then 😄
zinc briar
hello guys, im coming back to outlaw for midnight
its still full rng?
will be as always top dps of beta for being the worst in live?
sly bone
its ALOT less RNG
vivid vessel
is it lol
sly bone
i think i already know the answer, but i ask anyway:
Raidbots Scuffed.
Stat prio= Haste=25% then pump crit/verse?
zinc briar
or the important question, will we lose cpm? or we still smash buttons
vivid vessel
yes
sly bone
we will still smash buttons, until we run out of energy
zinc briar
didnt they fix that? the energy
tough laurel
Doesn’t feel like they fixed energy
sly bone
we're gonna be slightly starved, but not as much as Assa LUL
zinc briar
we still have moments smashing for nothing?
zinc briar
what about assa and subt? boring as always?
vivid vessel
didnt they fix that? the energy
they made energy worse
vivid vessel
was this in reply to me?
no
zinc briar
they made energy worse
really?
vivid vessel
yes
covert kestrel
i think i already know the answer, but i ask anyway:
Raidbots Scuffed.
Stat prio...
In prepatch it's more like pump haste as high as possible then crit
vivid vessel
are u not hyped then about the changes?
how can you ever be hyped about these changes
covert kestrel
are u not hyped then about the changes?
vivid vessel
its just less of everything
and terribly designed new stuffs
and more issues than before
vivid vessel
i do wonder if its not more rng than before
sly bone
In prepatch it's more like pump haste as high as possible then crit
cant really do much outside of the gear i already have. recraft to Haste/crit?
gaunt phoenix
Recrafts are broken
vivid vessel
solo whats the variance
vivid vessel
tho idk how relevant that is
im just thinking about the fact you can legit just roll 5 buff into chain ace and do 5x the damage
for free
sly bone
the reason i ask, with gems and fiber im chilling on 30 haste 😄
gaunt phoenix
fairly high
sly bone
so i was thinking recraft Verse Crit and sit on 30% haste
gaunt phoenix
live is like 4.8 or smth
vivid vessel
nice
gaunt phoenix
also raidbots should be fully functional for outlaw prepatch
mighty pivot
im just thinking about the fact you can legit just roll 5 buff into chain ace an...
5buff
sly bone
also raidbots should be fully functional for outlaw prepatch
i did question it because it pushed me right upto 30%. but lemme program a sim and see what happens. ty solo ❤️
gaunt phoenix
yeah we are big haste
mighty pivot
fairly high
is this variance for prepatch or beta?
mighty pivot
it does but I don't trust your names
gaunt phoenix
true
crude flower
Did first ever outlaw key
fun af :D
mighty pivot
we do get 2 extra rng procs at max level
exotic gale
outlaw still feels laggy to me wtf am i doing wrong
i blamed addons before 
it used to be very snappy in shadowlands when i played it, ever since df i feel like i got input lag on it
frank finch
spellque?
vivid vessel
for me i have input lag with high spell queue
i know its not supposed to be that way
but it is
remote pecan
outlaw actually has a weird interaction with high spell queue if your a button spammer
because you keep queueing things you dont mean to
exotic gale
yeah, i tried explaining that to mages and their brain couldnt handle it. i'll play around with it i had it on 200
frank finch
200 o.o
remote pecan
less of a problem now with the lower uptime on AR as it's pretty much because of the reduced gcd
frank finch
?
vivid vessel
i more meant if you were playing 400
frank finch
200 is high
mighty pivot
200 is not high
exotic gale
you know what i'll get it even lower
exotic gale
i dont remember what i had in SL, i think 150 as well
frank finch
i play on 40
vivid vessel
so you dont play with any spell queue bro
mighty pivot
so you have gaps between gcds
frank finch
ok
vivid vessel
i mean you do bro
vivid vessel
haha
balmy topaz
Hi 
vivid vessel
ruby !
balmy topaz
Thanks bro
vivid vessel
are you
frank finch
zac is in shambles
vivid vessel
outlaw is bad
balmy topaz
I’m okay
Blizzards chosen one
Ye that’s why I rerolled
They have no clue
What they’re doing with outlaw
They don’t know what they want to do with it
random stirrup
ill try 150
150 is what goats use
vivid vessel
yeah, i tried explaining that to mages and their brain couldnt handle it. i'll p...
fire mages think we are all lying for some reaosn idk
like i know what spell queue is supposed to be
and how its supposed to work
and in theory you could play 1000ms spell queu
balmy topaz
The mage discord
balmy topaz
Is not fun
sullen walrus
ARCHUI stop working on beta?
mighty pivot
it doesnt work like that
I think it's just feels wrong because sometimes you think you pressed a different button in time but you didn't
vivid vessel
nah idk
i dont have gaps in my gcds yet when i play 400 spell queue
all my gcds are wrong
io feel like im lagging
mighty pivot
yeah I know. I blame that to seeing an action happen so much later after pressing a button
balmy topaz
Solo said that I was perfect with my spell queuing
I have on default
Whatever that is
mighty pivot
400
balmy topaz
I don’t think it’s something
You need to fuck around with tbh
Just leave it
Just mash the fuck out of your button
Till it goes off
mighty pivot
there is a lot of misinformation about it, so people like to change it when it's just a placebo in most cases
balmy topaz
Yeah
I think a lot of people think they are playing the best they can
There’s nothing in their end physically they can improve
So they start doing stupid shit like this
Cus 1 person they watch does it
mighty pivot
yup
mighty pivot
and practice
vivid dune
i had to lower mine because i kept missing shadowcraft refunds with coup
felt too sticky
vivid vessel
well you prolly shouldnt do that tho
balmy topaz
i had to lower mine because i kept missing shadowcraft refunds with coup
I had that happen to me but
vivid vessel
coup shadowcraft is just too delayed
vivid dune
its 250 now
vivid vessel
thats not really
vivid dune
which is better than 400
vivid vessel
you have to be holding your button
vivid dune
its still not low but it helped
balmy topaz
Stealthi had a good wa to prevent that
mighty pivot
well it's not longer a problem in midnight anyway
vivid dune
id just recognize the refund and have already queued something else
and be unable to change it
but it felt more responsive after lowering it
which is odd because theoretically higher sqw should not impact that
mighty pivot
brave lagoon
Shhh only doom now
vivid dune
less gutted than other specs but still gutted
mighty pivot
@wintry solar why so much doom
still matrix
I see Zac say Outlaw is bad, i unsub.
wintry solar
<@530563212093947914> why so much doom
I'm over my doom
mighty pivot
I'm over my doom
even over KS?
balmy topaz
2 button fire mage is meta?
Maybe in raid
wintry solar
even over KS?
Idec anymore
balmy topaz
But it’s never gonna be a m+ spec
wintry solar
Would bitching fix it?
still matrix
Would bitching fix it?
IT hasnt worked so far
wintry solar
Yeah
I got other things than to bitch about a spec im gonna play anyway
Imma tempt fate
Feed me more slop blizz
still matrix
Was just coming back after like 4 month break hoping outlaw was in a good pre-patch state.
Not numbers wise, just play.
brave lagoon
Feels clunky af to me so far
It does dmg but I don't get the flow anymore
Then I get to watch the ret pal in my team roll his forehead on the keyboard and smoke me
covert kestrel
Then I get to watch the ret pal in my team roll his forehead on the keyboard and...
Isn't ret in a shitty place rn lol
brave lagoon
I never said I was good 
covert kestrel
balmy topaz
Then I get to watch the ret pal in my team roll his forehead on the keyboard and...
Wait till you play with a frost mage
At least a decent one
still matrix
So plays bad but damage is good?
balmy topaz
The rotation is literally like playing gitar hero
brave lagoon
The first few keys I think i had less than 50% uptime on bf
Maybe I should play frost mage I'm kinda good at guitar hero
lean topaz
polar kelp
I really don't see how outlaw feels bad. Sure I miss crackshot windows, but every other class got pruned to shit and we gained 1-2 buttons. We can now use vanish to dodge mechanics, don't have to try and go into stealth betweens pulls, still have high APM and numbers are there. It's a bit more dispatch spammy but you still have 'mini" crackshot windows if you get lucky with back to back resets
I'm enjoying it anyway. Previous was better, but it's still fun
vivid vessel
you can use vanish to dodge mechanics less than before
but ok
also you dont have resets cause you playu 1 ace and ace gives you 2 cp
polar kelp
? Before vanish was tied to your dps. Now you only have 1 charge but you can use it whenevet
vapid sundial
the biggest kick in teh balls to me is the fact that you cant go vers heavy now
vivid vessel
you could delay vanish before cuase it was charges
vapid sundial
the biggest kick in teh balls to me is the fact that you cant go vers heavy now
like this is so unreal
the fact they doubled down on the haste tax is actual insanity
'surely we know better than something 99% of the community for this class complained about'
polar kelp
@vivid vessel to be fair, I don't think I've ever seen you NOT complain about the spec though 🙂
vivid vessel
well thats completly false but ok
tender breach
@waxen crag sure I will share it. I feel happy that I can give something to someone. I usually ask and ask and ask Solo zac etc
vivid vessel
what was 10.0
vapid sundial
now there is no light left in his eyes
vapid sundial
what was 10.0
df start
vivid vessel
s1 df was super boring
vivid vessel
outlaw peaked in s3
its just unfortunate it was bugged to shit
imoagine df s3 outlaw
vapid sundial
regardless
vapid sundial
as of the moment, I think blizz has lost me perma
vapid sundial
it would legit be so peak bro
real af
vivid vessel
double vbanish is so much better than vanish dance
brave lagoon
We had it good with the extra melee range
vivid vessel
unfortunate they had to ruin everything
brave lagoon
Extendo arms 
vapid sundial
This is the unfortunate situation
that the class devs seem to change
every fucking tier
covert kestrel
oh and double vanish
And bf not hitting dead things
brave lagoon
Bet they asked grok for outlaw changes
mighty pivot
I dunno about that... grok would change our dice to have swastikas on them or something
sullen walrus
which addons for beta i can use to track my buffs (archui stop working)
wintry solar
hire grok immediately.
brave lagoon
At least it's not adding cowboy shit to pirate spec
vapid sundial
At least it's not adding cowboy shit to pirate spec
its just funny seeing it
bc most of it is probably bc of the community
so its just seeing what people typed
mighty pivot
+1s duration
brave lagoon
Grok makes too much sense to be the model blizz used for outlaw changes
brave lagoon
Copilot
mighty pivot
copilot was trained on mafic's ideas
mighty pivot
that's literally an older version of BF
brave lagoon
Wasn't legion/bfa bf like this
mighty pivot
basically yes. energy regen penalty
vapid sundial
so similar
brave lagoon
Aoe toggle but it slowed energy regain yeah
brave lagoon
K I gotta pretend to work and stop checking discord
sullen nimbus
Using vanish as a dps cd was very stupid game design
wintry solar
Yeah it was annoying tbh. Crackshot should've been tied to like adr or something idk
mighty pivot
well they technically kept that part in, it's just not mandatory anymore
wintry solar
Or it's own button
sullen nimbus
well they technically kept that part in, it's just not mandatory anymore
How so
Did I miss something
wintry solar
HO
mighty pivot
subterfuge still turns vanish into a dps cd for HO (it's not good)
sullen nimbus
What is HO
wintry solar
Hidden Opportunity
sullen nimbus
HO HO HO
mighty pivot
||popo's mum||
sullen nimbus
wintry solar
WOWWWWW
wintry solar
||popo's mum||
You make my phone slow when you post stuff
wintry solar
<:santaglorps:1312381822642163773>
Are you rerollin or are you trollin like you do the pvp channel 
sullen nimbus
Looking for split alts
mighty pivot
You make my phone slow when you post stuff
how?
mighty pivot
how is it only my messages though. Maybe you have a custom note about how much you love me or something and that lags your phone
mighty pivot
why the question mark 
wintry solar
I can never tell if you're joking or not and I don't want to assume
sullen walrus
someone know if arc ui working on beta?
mighty pivot
it does yes
mighty pivot
wintry solar
i have LUA ERROR every time before a pull
You misunderstand, that's a feature.
cursive gyro
Is there any way to add audio queues when passing CP thresholds? I see this option to read our energy to us every 10%.
mighty pivot
even the base ui has errors sometimes
ocean lodge
I haven't got that yet weirdly enough
mighty pivot
Is there any way to add audio queues when passing CP thresholds? I see this opti...
it's technically possible, dunno which addons do that though
upper hawk
my damage meter window is stuck. it's in the same weird spot on all my characters no matter where i move the glowing square in edit mode
ocean lodge
For me it moved back twice before sticking where I put it
upper hawk
it just doesn't move at all
sullen nimbus
my damage meter window is stuck. it's in the same weird spot on all my character...
Bug that carried over from beta
upper hawk
the main one. i can make new windows and move those around but the main one won't move anymore
sullen nimbus
Wahoo
mighty pivot
there was banana flavour?
copper radish
It's *Yoohoo*
Did u know Yoo-hoo isn’t chocolate milk it’s a chocolate drink aka water
covert kestrel
Orangina is the goat
wintry solar
Yeah
vapid sundial
You can't be mass producing milk stuff In a can like that can you
Too costly
Cuz has to sell within a month ~
wintry solar
Unless it's ultra pasteurized
But yeah you're right
Also
You can add chocolate syrup to water and tbh it tastes pretty close
covert kestrel
All my youtube recs are music playlists and Resident Evil stuff
mine is just a 24hr loop of carameldansen
mighty pivot
still matrix
Do we still sim with dslice?
still matrix
think someone said earlier is ok
keen belfry
It’s -20 degrees rn
copper radish
It’s -20 degrees rn
Just wait foot of snow inc in a day or so
misty bridge
so i can tmog my sword to a dagger and cast dispatch, BUT i cant tmog a dagger to a sword and do the same????? Why blizz??? whyyy
covert kestrel
Just wait foot of snow inc in a day or so
snowy weekend lfg
copper radish
snowy weekend lfg
Yeah no thanks my snowblower is broken. Couldn’t get a new one this last week or it fixed. So I’m stuck shoveling a hundred foot driveway
low glade
just did something insane
insane of asking a question in here, I searched for the answer myself first
and found it
copper radish
insane of asking a question in here, I searched for the answer myself first
Chad
low glade
for BtE, if we land of 5, and it's ready to press, do we still try to build to 7 before we send?
for FB
upbeat wigeon
Hey guys, a question. On icy veins I read about a fatebound bug in connection with autoattacks. So although fatebound would be stronger they recommend trickster until the bug is solved. What's the status? Fatebound/Trickster?
mighty pivot
bug still exists on live servers
covert kestrel
Hey guys, a question. On icy veins I read about a fatebound bug in connection wi...
random stirrup
Think solo said yesterday they might’ve pushed bug fixes to live
glass mortar
snowy weekend lfg
r u ready to get bombed
im supposed to commute into nyc monday morning
it might be over for me
gaunt phoenix
Auto attacks are still bugged on live
random stirrup
Rip
low glade
for BtE, if we land of 5, and it's ready to press, do we still try to build to 7...
@gaunt phoenix i need your wisdom
random stirrup
<@921608341048930304> i need your wisdom
You build per faq
mighty pivot
bro I did the jump puzzle for the housing endeavour and only at the end I realised you have double jump 
mighty pivot
he's the rylddeal
tropic zephyr
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
upbeat wigeon
--> Autoattack-Bug: Thanks!
covert kestrel
im supposed to commute into nyc monday morning
already emailing my professors i cant come in on monday as precaution lol
glass mortar
Last time I worked in nyc during a snowstorm this major my commute home was over 7 hours
Almost got trapped overnight on a parkway lmao
gaunt phoenix
yeah you dont bte at 5
covert kestrel
Last time I worked in nyc during a snowstorm this major my commute home was over...
rip, praying for u
the snow/sleet + freezing temps for a week combo is gonna be ripperoni
tropic zephyr
someone got some law UI to share? like anything, base game or addon idc
low glade
yeah you dont bte at 5
insane comms ty king
inner meadow
do i prio BtE over killing spree now?
keen belfry
and fart
inner meadow
mfs who say "mhm" bite their bottom lip while they say it
🤣
mighty pivot
well that's cute
covert kestrel
mfs who say "mhm" bite their bottom lip while they say it
well awang is a notorious twink around here
keen belfry
gnawa
proven ocean
keen belfry
mighty pivot
it's @red zinc who's RH's mascot twink
proven ocean
proven ocean
https://tenor.com/view/prairie-dog-tongue-sticking-tongue-out-sticking-out-tongu...
@vivid vessel
tropic zephyr
is there a macro to open the cooldown manager? why do I have to click scroll down and click again i'm losing my mind
nocturne saddle
is there a macro to open the cooldown manager? why do I have to click scroll dow...
there's an easy addon lemme that lets you just /cd to open lemme find it
cooldown manager slash command
tropic zephyr
thx
tropic zephyr
idk bro my shit is fucked rn
mighty pivot
it is
pure cedar
"/cdm" works as well
keen belfry
solo have u looked into KS before AR at all
covert kestrel
solo have u looked into KS before AR at all
if i can cast ks not during our fast and fun window i would be sooooo happy
gaunt phoenix
solo have u looked into KS before AR at all
Yes
I couldnt get a sim gain or loss but you can do it
You can also cancel ks during ar
keen belfry
okay, what ive been doing is kinda opening with RTB
its kinda a free roll that wont fuck your energy
its RTB build - BR - ks - BTE - AR - RTB (if not 2 buff) go on
etc
gaunt phoenix
i see the vision though it seems to either not matter or be a little worse in short pulls
fossil lintel
What do you guys use to make the cooldown manager / CP bar look nice?
gaunt phoenix
if you 1 buff then you do kinda have to eat it for like 7 builders
keen belfry
i see the vision though it seems to either not matter or be a little worse in sh...
short pulls i totally see it yeah, and often it means literally nothing
unkempt dew
Do we BF in boss fights with no ads?
gaunt phoenix
No
unkempt dew
Thanks solo 
gaunt phoenix
What do you guys use to make the cooldown manager / CP bar look nice?
senseiclassresourcebar for cps
I just have the raw cdm atm
keen belfry
i should stop thinking about how to make trickster better
cause i dont want to play trickstert
and this is prepatch
fossil lintel
Can I steal your CDM config in some way?
gaunt phoenix
you could but im not home for 5 hours
copper radish
Raw dogging the CDM is a bold move
fossil lintel
Alright I will ask again in 5 hours
unborn cave
!ui
ornate heathBOT
Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue
gaunt phoenix
I dont really need to have custom positioning atm
the only thing is I want Opportunity as a buff to have an alert
but it cant
covert kestrel
Alright I will ask again in 5 hours
imagine what you could accomplish with that 5 hours
ebon nimbus
i think there is a cvar
Did you find it? What was the cvar doing?
gaunt phoenix
it definitely did not take nearly that long to make
harsh forge
raw cdm isn’t that hard to use it’s just limited in features
waxen scarab
@gaunt phoenixwhere is this from?
gaunt phoenix
the tuning? click the blue link at the top
gaunt phoenix
Well st is +15% or so and then aoe didnt really move
higher targets should be slightly positive cause blade rush and deft are not affected by bf nerf
jaunty rose
Coming back for midnight but haven't followed any updates. What's the general consensus
unkempt dew
You need more energy
gaunt phoenix
kinda boring
jaunty rose
so less fun then
gaunt phoenix
outlaw's rotation is just the filler
untold wadi
Coming back for midnight but haven't followed any updates. What's the general co...
ur pfp
gaunt phoenix
you are missing a thing to look forward to
jaunty rose
sad, I just want to gamble as I play
gaunt phoenix
well you do gamble
new RTB is good
probably the one thing most people can agree on
heavy shadow
I love how in the mage tower heal challenge rogue does less dmg than tank and heal
and hunter ofc
gaunt phoenix
granny
jaunty rose
probably the one thing most people can agree on
so RTB good but what did we lose. is the apm down or?
gaunt phoenix
i wrote about it in #outlaw-faq a bit
split grove
probably the one thing most people can agree on
that's weird but im lowkey missing burried treasure nowadays
jaunty rose
i wrote about it in <#856897810536071208> a bit
Thanks I'll take a look
quick ridge
Forgive me for the stupid question, but why is a second point in Ace considered so bad? The sims are pretty clear on it?
gaunt phoenix
yeah
fresh acorn
if BF is gonna be 25% can they at least give us PC back?
gaunt phoenix
perhaps similar to why Fast Action isnt as good as it sounds
fresh acorn
just did tank damage on a 2 target boss
gaunt phoenix
it makes Zero In "weaker" as you consume less stacks on average
or just the other talents happen to be stronger than +2cps every now and then
quick ridge
That’s a bit strange in my brain. Improved adrenaline rush fills a similar niche in my head. And ace would result in more combo points overtime and more energy saved
zealous plinth
Did they fix FB Bug with maintenance yesterday or only on Beta?
gaunt phoenix
Well it's not like 2 ace is dps loss over nothing, it's just competing with stuff
mighty pivot
That’s a bit strange in my brain. Improved adrenaline rush fills a similar niche...
I had a look in some logs earlier and improved AR was double the combo points of ace (with 1/2). So the second point is worth roughly half imp AR
quick ridge
Oh wow really? That’s much more than I would have expected
With preparation as well?
gaunt phoenix
Oh we also dont like to press BtE at 5cp
so even with 2 ace you would usually have to press a builder anyway
vivid vessel
:)
quick ridge
I see, that makes sense too
I think my character is very low haste at the moment, which is distorting a lot of how things should feel
Thanks for your help everyone!
gaunt phoenix
Yeah on prepatch you need like 30% haste
covert kestrel
you are missing a thing to look forward to
In terms of pre-crackshot outlaw, what things did you look forward to then? cause it still wasn't a cd class right?
gaunt phoenix
I very much loved vanish charges
Wasn't a cooldown yeah but it was an interesting window compared to filler
Oh you mean pre-crackshot
gaunt phoenix
Those expansions had essences, covenants
gaunt phoenix
they all had something
vivid vessel
dust er mfd
gaunt phoenix
different
gaunt phoenix
ER MFD was soo goooood
jaunty rose
Do we think it'll be more fun as we get into end game content and pick up more haste?
gaunt phoenix
all of our extra stuff (fatebound, trickster, apex) doesnt do anything
vivid vessel
Do we think it'll be more fun as we get into end game content and pick up more h...
nothing changes
jaunty rose
Yeah I guess it comes down to rotation then
gaunt phoenix
In pre-patch we can get like 30% haste for free which is nice
On beta you are scraping the barrel for haste with level 90 scaling
vivid vessel
midnight s1 outlaw
please get me out bro
outlaw legit became
what i hated most
about other classes
unkempt dew
Sounds lots of fun
jaunty rose
I play outlaw for carpal tunnel, are you telling me it won't happen anymore 🙁
vivid vessel
i mean outlaw has never been thios slow if you ask me
so idk
fury war prolly faster
vapid blaze
i cant wait for rwf addon cooks
vivid vessel
what is colour raidframe
vapid blaze
vivid vessel
ah lil squares and shit
i mean thats kinda whatever
thats not what you meant either
vapid blaze
well he also made a version with full healthbar colour change if you have a specific buff
vapid blaze
oh yeah just an example of people cooking
vivid vessel
there will not be any actual race addon
that like
do combat things
because its instantly an exploit
and blizzard bans for that
so world first raiders wont do it
like im sure there is still exploits that exist to do coms between addons
vapid blaze
do the chinese care?
plus is it really smth they would ban for
vivid vessel
it just wont be done
vapid blaze
if you find a hole in the api
vivid vessel
yes
world first teams
would get banned for it
chinese no one cares about the m
they could be cheating no one will ever know
vapid blaze
btw did you read the last ion interview xD
vapid blaze
that they are happy with how its currently is
""We don't view this as a one-and-done. We have gotten to a baseline experience that we feel good about, but there's always room for improvement.""
vivid vessel
well whatever he always says that tho
vapid blaze
yes ofc
vapid blaze
"I see discussion in the community to the effect of, 'Blizzard's backtracking on this. Blizzard's walking back their plans.' This was always the intent: to swing the pendulum to the other end and then creep it back in a measured way," Hazzikostas says. "Our goal was never to stamp out the add-on ecosystem. It was to move away from it being something that feels like a required competitive aspect of the game."
vivid vessel
i mean
first of all thgey failed
but also again
they just
didnt have to do all that
to do what they wanted to achieve already
they just needed to block non player stuffs and block addons com
and it was gg
the issue is that they think that addons doing roptation helpers
is an issue for the game
find me one good player using a rotation helper
it only helps noobs
who cares
vapid blaze
wich people are alrdy doing sort of
vivid vessel
but whtaever
vapid blaze
and they themself introduced like 2 versions of rotation helper xD
upper hawk
i mean first of all thgey failed but also again they just didnt have to do all that to do what they wanted to achieve already they just needed to block non player stuffs and block addons com and it was gg the issue is that they think that addons doing roptation helpers is an issue for the game find me one good player using a rotation helper it only helps noobs who cares
vivid vessel
i mean
this is a good example bro
my way of phrasing it is just easier to read
actual L
mighty pivot
Oh wow really? That’s much more than I would have expected
imp AR doesn't give that many combo points. It is one of our worst sources of combo points. The difference between TWW and now is that we cast way fewer bte because there is no crackshot anymore. We are casting bte about 1/4 as much as before, and we only gain 80% the cp we'd get before even at 2/2. That's a huge reduction
bright matrix
zac u thought about quitting ? logged on yesterday felt like quitting myself
vivid vessel
i mean first of all thgey failed but also again they just didnt have to do all t...
like i had to read all of that in one breath and now i cant breathe anymore i almost died
upper hawk
i enjoy
bright matrix
just unfun idk maybe thing gonna change
upper hawk
the way
vivid vessel
zac u thought about quitting ? logged on yesterday felt like quitting myself
ye but i dont have any other game i enjoy liek wow
quick ridge
imp AR doesn't give that many combo points. It is one of our worst sources of co...
Ah I see. That helps me conceptualize the differences. I appreciate your help! Maybe Ace 2 will be stronger with Gravedigger?
vivid vessel
that just makes it weaker
quick ridge
Ohp sorry
mighty pivot
ace cannot proc on gravedigger's reset (it wouldn't matter anyway)
so the extra bte you get won't offer more ace resets regardless
quick ridge
Oh I was thinking it would work, that definitely doesn’t sound ideal
vivid vessel
prolly by a substancial amount even
glass mortar
Gravediggers a bit of a joke
quick ridge
Okay yeah I see that now. I see the consensus on 1/2 now haha
glass mortar
It's legit an anti proc
Idk what they were thinking
Suddenly they are so afraid to give outlaw any procs
vivid vessel
feels like they made gravedigger just so they had to nerf ace
glass mortar
We have 1 proc
vivid vessel
no other way
covert kestrel
no but the real procs are the friends we made along the way
frail veldt
"I see discussion in the community to the effect of, 'Blizzard's backtracking on...
the issue with this is even at its most restrictive during the beta cycle, addons were always going to be a competitive advantage and "required" at high level play