outlaw

[glass mortar]

omnicc is also dead

pvp is going to be interesting to say the least

theres a fair amount of pvpers that have wanted enemy cd/ability tracking addons dead for awhile tho

[vapid blaze]

i mean just makes them gatekeep harder no

[glass mortar]

and i understand it, personally i only ever played with omnicc setup to track enemy kicks because i started pvp as a caster and in the world of precog it was practically a requirement

watching top end pvpers play where they dont even need to watch the enemy teams players that arent being tunneled because they have cortana in their ear telling them every major cooldown pressed by the enemy team

felt a bit silly

at least that stuff isnt allowed in tournies

[vivid vessel]

hm

im pretty sure you can still have something that tells in your ears

whats being pressed tho

[glass mortar]

really? i was under the impression theyd completely killed that but that was also late alpha pre beta so

[vivid vessel]

or at least have an icon flash on your screen

[glass mortar]

its possible it changed

[vivid vessel]

well

casts are secret

but you can still like

when someone press a spell

show it

everyting tho

[glass mortar]

track enemy buffs and have something flash if a certain buff its pressed?

[vivid vessel]

cant like

filter

so i guess kinda useless

[glass mortar]

yea like, the pvp addons would literally yap at u when the enemy druid off ur screen on the other side of the arena behind a pillar did something like drink or cc or press a major cd

the kinda stuff u should need to either manually track or have a teammate point out or something u know

[vapid blaze]

yeah but now good players just track it anyway mentally
so the gap just gets bigger

[glass mortar]

well yes thats called practice and skill

remembering/feeling out player cd timings and whatnot or paying enough attention to see people using their buttons even when they arent ur current target is what people wanted to be gatekept

some gatekeeping is ok

[vapid blaze]

well if you think pvp needs more

[glass mortar]

not saying i particularly cared about it one way or the other

[vapid blaze]

than it alrdy has

[glass mortar]

well pvp definitly needs more considering they removed half the stuff from the specs in the game

its not like the game is identical in pvp going into midnight

most specs lost several defensives and now only have 1-2 major ones with 1 major cd, maybe 2 to "track" and trade off

dont love no kick tracker personally but i doubt i will be playing much caster in pvp anytime soon so thats not really my concern

and i understand why people wanted it gone

[gaunt phoenix]

its time for advanced part of faq

[glass mortar]

how long is it, r u sure u can fit it all in one section of the FaQ????

[gaunt phoenix]

think i will make it a directory again instead of 1 giant page

but priority and advanced are the same page

[halcyon garden]

hello how can i change the color of the swipe ? this yellow is kinda awful ngl

[oblique trench]

doe we have an alternative to weakaura + tricks macro?

[desert tendon]

macros, i dont remember mine but it was setting up automatically the tank to the trick macro

can probably find it easily browsing the web

[halcyon garden]

i had tankmd

was working great

but it doesnt work anymore

[glass mortar]

all the ones i was aware of used an addon that added advanced macro commands or a WA combo so im not sure which ones work after the patch

im sure before too long if a good one is found itll be in a command here tho

[copper radish]

Might just need a focus macro and put tank on focus

[covert kestrel]

I think mewo had a macro that edited his tricks macro with the current targets name and then the tricks macro would select that target, cast tricks, then select previous target?

[nocturne saddle]

why BTE at 6+ cps as opposed to 5+ like dispatch?

[hasty warren]

feels like we're back to the stone age

[oblique trench]

as long as i am playing trickster ill do it natty i think

[glass mortar]

i mean yea the spec got reverted to a version thats entire rotation is very similar to its most basic iterations in bfa/legion

not surprising

[fallow hinge]

[glass mortar]

well well look who it is

liz

[fallow hinge]

waddup g

[fallow hinge]

asMisdirect works on tricks

[hasty warren]

yo lizbeth

[fallow hinge]

https://www.curseforge.com/wow/addons/asmisdirection

[fallow hinge]

^ this addon does it

[fallow hinge]

hola

[oblique trench]

thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems bte wants to be higher cps for zero in and ace

it's interesting, as trickster, if you only finish at 5cps then you kind of get stuck at 5cps and dont usually go higher

since from 1cp, SS proc or PS cast will get you to 5

[glass mortar]

makes sense

almost a shame theres zero real competition for 7 combo points since it sounds like trickster would work with that

altho ig it would make it much less efficient with overcap from SS/broadside

[haughty moat]

whats the median cd of adr now? around 1min 30sec ?

[glass mortar]

15s duration ~30% uptime so it should be like 45s ish cd?

[vivid vessel]

prolly more like 45s

[glass mortar]

i think in sims its average usage is ~1.5/minute so yea

should average out to a 45s cd

[haughty moat]

okay ty

[vivid vessel]

NP BRO

[glass mortar]

Zac should i reinstall wow

i uninstalled last night to do a fresh installation like a few friends were doing since all my addon shit was nuked anyway

then i just... didnt

[covert kestrel]

Yeah in my limited playing (prolly misplaying) I ended on 5 soooo much

[gaunt phoenix]

probably not misplaying, you have to build at 5 a lot

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/fly-little-hummingbird-be-free-freedom-new-girl-gif-7334612

[glass mortar]

what if trickster shivved at 5 cp tho solo

has that been simmed yet

what about just shivving if you are at finisher -1 CP and low on energy

[low glade]

how far ahead is shiv build rn?

[glass mortar]

surely we can find some kinda disgusting minmax for this outlaw

[frank finch]

[covert kestrel]

Dps gain to snd cancelaura at 3-4cps

[glass mortar]

[desert tendon]

my dream

@vivid vessel they fixed snd bug since no more ace right?

[low glade]

after the notes from the other day, i lowsixsevenuinely might reroll surv hunter

[unkempt dew]

The ace procs should be more rewarding

[haughty moat]

im lost, how do you guys start a pack with everything rdy ?

[vivid vessel]

you playing with 1 ace or 2 ace

[fallow hinge]

my dream too

[gaunt phoenix]

ar rtb bf br bte

[covert kestrel]

They have killing spree 2.0 what's not to like

[desert tendon]

hello liz how you doing on survlaw so far?

[fallow hinge]

boom boom boom

[desert tendon]

Gameplay is still arround bombs?

[fallow hinge]

bombs and boomstick

which is fote on steroids

bombs reduce boom cd, booms reduce bomb cd. Very fluid aoe feeling, incredibly satisfying to play

[haughty moat]

isnt that waste on adr time? why not bf br adr rtb bte ?

[low glade]

yeah the surv loop is actually sick

[desert tendon]

why even pressing adr

frfr

[low glade]

and you're kinda semi ranged

[unkempt dew]

I took the build in the faq

[fallow hinge]

nah, need raptor strike to proc sentinel's mark for better bombs

[gaunt phoenix]

ar just makes you faster

[fallow hinge]

zoom zoom adr

[unkempt dew]

I just want the full combo points and go blasting

As is was before

[gaunt phoenix]

only thing that wastes AR is killing spree

[haughty moat]

ah okay

[covert kestrel]

Feels so borked when you're sitting there not apm gaming in AR

[glass mortar]

its ok u can cancel kspree after CP cap during AR i believe

as trickster

[haughty moat]

so we dont ks during adr ?

[glass mortar]

honeslty best change possible i wish we could do it outside AR also

[gaunt phoenix]

you do but you can cancel it

at 6-7cps

[glass mortar]

ah its at max CP thats sad

[vivid vessel]

HOLY SHIT

ALL THESE ADDONS

ARE SO BUGGED

I CANNOT

[fallow hinge]

holy shit

[vivid vessel]

GIVE ME WEAK AURA

I WANT OUT

[fallow hinge]

zac

[desert tendon]

stop being a freaked zac

[covert kestrel]

Zac logged in

[desert tendon]

just unsub

play other games

wow you liked isnt it anymore

[fallow hinge]

play rivals with me zac

[covert kestrel]

You can't tell an addict just to not be an addict

[fallow hinge]

carry me to celestial

[desert tendon]

Zac in shooters

he ll carry you to iron liz

[glass mortar]

carry you to iron like a anchor

[fallow hinge]

works for me, I can practice my magik against people who can't fight back

[haughty moat]

zac build a ui pls and share it, i cant either^^

[glass mortar]

err

[low glade]

see my careful use of the word "semi"

[desert tendon]

i hate smurfs liz

[fallow hinge]

semi implies around half D:

[desert tendon]

watchout

[fallow hinge]

not a smurf

[desert tendon]

you re losing censi points

[fallow hinge]

alt account

I suck at rivals

I'm like silver 3, that's basically bronze

my overwatch gamesense doesn't really translate over to rivals

[fallow hinge]

s'only a smurf if I'm de-ranking to stomp

[low glade]

♟️

[unkempt dew]

What are you playing if I may ask sir frenchy?

[fallow hinge]

literally the first definition though

[vivid vessel]

im not playing this game

[low glade]

will pack leader ever get good

or are we stuck in sentinel prison

[fallow hinge]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[low glade]

why'd you crop out the second definition

[fallow hinge]

new sentinel is fire tho

[low glade]

because it doesn't fit your narrative?

[desert tendon]

u r fire tho

[covert kestrel]

The only good pack is a pack of darts after a few tallboy brewskis

[fallow hinge]

no, because the first definition is the more commonly inferred meaning

that's how they order these things

[glass mortar]

when words have multiple definitions u can usually use them for any of them

[low glade]

thanks based brain haver

[desert tendon]

I disagree weran

i think we shouldnt use words at all

[glass mortar]

07

[fallow hinge]

words are terrible

[desert tendon]

words are such a boomer thing

skibidi

[fallow hinge]

words should have one meaning and only one meaning

[glass mortar]

says we shouldnt use words at all

types this out using words

[desert tendon]

no liz

[glass mortar]

classic hypocrit censi 😠

[desert tendon]

words can chose

[glass mortar]

smh my head

[desert tendon]

it s 2026

[fallow hinge]

how else am I meant to know what people mean when I have to interpret every word of a sentence in one of a number of ways

[desert tendon]

freedom

Have fun in french liz

[fallow hinge]

no

[covert kestrel]

:67:

[desert tendon]

67 67 67 67

[fallow hinge]

no I don't think I will

[glass mortar]

[desert tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-gunshots-pepe-gif-15835768696211214333

outlaw be like

[covert kestrel]

Not anymore

Only allowed one shot every 2 seconds

Thanks inflation

[vivid vessel]

every single addon is bad

[desert tendon]

tbf

[vivid vessel]

imma wait for midnight

[desert tendon]

bullet cost a lot

[fallow hinge]

bullets cost too much

[desert tendon]

i think outlaw should spend 1 gold per pistol shot

[fallow hinge]

outlaw lost all its money gambling

[desert tendon]

make me outlaw dev please

[fallow hinge]

can only afford 3 bullet per fight

make 'em count

[frank finch]

someone once told me just use addons like a normal person

u got this

[vivid vessel]

no

[desert tendon]

Zac

unsub

go play rivals with liz

[fallow hinge]

zac play rivals with me

[desert tendon]

it doesnt need addons

it looks good

[fallow hinge]

you can play a cuddly shark

[vivid vessel]

i dont play fps

[desert tendon]

it s not fps

good

[proven ocean]

@random stirrup zac this guy is noob

[fallow hinge]

fine, play poe with me

[proven ocean]

thoughts?>

[vivid vessel]

i dont play

[proven ocean]

agree or

[vivid vessel]

gun games

[proven ocean]

zac

[desert tendon]

you play outlaw

[proven ocean]

u do

[desert tendon]

ofc u do

[proven ocean]

noob

[vivid vessel]

yes i agree

[fallow hinge]

outlaw is a gun game

[proven ocean]

noobozo

ty for agreeing

np

wait

why did i np myself

[fallow hinge]

noob

[desert tendon]

np

[proven ocean]

eliz the furry!!

[random stirrup]

huh

[fallow hinge]

zeross the waste of air!!

[random stirrup]

what i do to you

[fallow hinge]

:O

[proven ocean]

idk i just wanted to summon u

[desert tendon]

zero aint a waste of air

i cant let you say that

he saves people

by drinking all the redbull available

[gaunt phoenix]

he meant to say zac is noob

[random stirrup]

you cannot be a noob if you do not play the game!

[desert tendon]

Real

that s why i m a pro

[covert kestrel]

Popo = poop zac = noob

[fallow hinge]

censi play rivals with me carry me to celestial

[desert tendon]

i could

but i m busy

[fallow hinge]

:(

you could just say you hate me

[desert tendon]

i have to practice for my charity marathon

[keen belfry]

real question guys, do you remember OUtlaw?

[frank finch]

zac cant even replicate is own ui on retail he is super noob

[desert tendon]

imagine being zac

what a skill issue

icant

[fallow hinge]

I don't own enough baguettes

[desert tendon]

just buy more

[fallow hinge]

with what money

I'm unemployable

[vivid vessel]

bro

[desert tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/homeless-house-braindead-stupidity-buy-gif-26259659

[vivid vessel]

cenbsi

i found a new tech

[desert tendon]

this meme

cant get old

tell me zac

[vivid vessel]

i always thought it was annoying how baguettes are always bad

in bakeries

[fallow hinge]

I own a house, it's overrated do not recommend

[vivid vessel]

cause they are too old

now i buy prebaked baguettes

[proven ocean]

zac

[fallow hinge]

go in the morning when they're fresh baked

[vivid vessel]

and you put it in the furnace for 10 min

[proven ocean]

ur probably buying bad baguettes

[vivid vessel]

and its insane

[desert tendon]

yea that s better zac

i mean

when i was living in paris

baguettes were awsome

[proven ocean]

ngl if thats the case in france we probably have better baguettes than france

[desert tendon]

but now in luxemburg

[vivid vessel]

its legit perfectly baked

[fallow hinge]

sorry did you just say furnace?

[vivid vessel]

still hot

[desert tendon]

bakerries are trash

[proven ocean]

we have fresh bakeries here

[vivid vessel]

crunchy on the outside

[proven ocean]

that compete

[fallow hinge]

you have a FURNACE for baguettes?

[proven ocean]

so ya

[vivid vessel]

fluffy in the inside

[desert tendon]

a normal furnace liz

[vivid vessel]

uh idk

furnace

[desert tendon]

it's prebaked

[vivid vessel]

whats the name

[fallow hinge]

oven?

[vivid vessel]

ye

[desert tendon]

oven yea

[vivid vessel]

oven

[fallow hinge]

[vivid vessel]

pardon my french cuh

[fallow hinge]

zac some kind of baguette blacksmith over here

[proven ocean]

i bet zac bakes his steaks

[vivid vessel]

its cause

in french

a furnace

[fallow hinge]

air fry steak is aparrently hella

[vivid vessel]

is an oven

like

its litteraly named

four

[proven ocean]

why u typing like me

[desert tendon]

nah

dont airfry steaks

what is this sorcery

[vivid vessel]

like

its a bit unfortunate i get frenched

but it is how it is

[desert tendon]

oven is what you bake in

[vivid vessel]

i know

[desert tendon]

furnace is big fire

[vivid vessel]

but in french

[desert tendon]

bozo

[vivid vessel]

a four and a furnace is the same thing

[proven ocean]

u have four ovens in ur house???????????

[vivid vessel]

know what i mean

or

[fallow hinge]

nah censi

[proven ocean]

wtf??

[desert tendon]

noh u dont

[fallow hinge]

zac legit forges his baguettes out of dough like a blacksmith

[desert tendon]

it s four et forge

noob

[fallow hinge]

quenches it in seed oil too

poppy seeds for flux

[desert tendon]

Zac

[vivid vessel]

forge is the place

[desert tendon]

show me your ui

[vivid vessel]

not the thing lol

i dont have an ui rn

[desert tendon]

i wanna laugh

rq

[vivid vessel]

i need an addon

that doesnt exist

[desert tendon]

make it

[vivid vessel]

but its possible to exist

[desert tendon]

yourself

[vivid vessel]

it just doesnt

[desert tendon]

with chatgpt

[vivid vessel]

so im annoyed

like rn

[vivid vessel]

you could make an addon

where you can add any spell to it

and track it

instead of using the cd manager

but for some reason

it doesnt exist

it pisses me off

[desert tendon]

that s a cool ui liz

[fallow hinge]

tyty

[desert tendon]

you get 10 censi point

BUT

that s a shit game

[fallow hinge]

I swapped off my feathermane pets though

[desert tendon]

so minus 200 censi points

[fallow hinge]

because now the slowfall is an exotic ability for no fukken reason

[proven ocean]

actually not bad

[fallow hinge]

so only BMs get the slowfall

[proven ocean]

ur bars are a mess tho

'

[glass mortar]

?????

[desert tendon]

u r a mess zero

[glass mortar]

megatrash game wtf

my pet slowfall disengage macro

[fallow hinge]

top right bar hides in combat (consumables)

[proven ocean]

thats the best ui i ever seeaw in mn

w lizzy

[gaunt phoenix]

seeaw

[glass mortar]

very dumb

[desert tendon]

i m exotic

can i be your pet?

[glass mortar]

well i didnt like basically any of the hunter changes so no surprise to me

[fallow hinge]

it's not an exotic pet though

[desert tendon]

tyvm

[proven ocean]

insane abniliyt

sry eating mcdonald

[desert tendon]

dont eat mcdonalds zero

it s shit

worst shit ever

[proven ocean]

too latte

[desert tendon]

go to popeyes instead

better

[fallow hinge]

the block of bars on the right at the bottom are gonna change when we GET to midnight and I crunch down unnecessary binds

[restive obsidian]

anyone know of an addon that hides abilities on cooldown ?

[desert tendon]

i love wow players so much

[dusk hollow]

is dps spreadsheet for all game specs with tier, trinkets value etc already out? There used to be one in past.

[wintry solar]

I love you

[desert tendon]

i dont

but ok

cool i guess

[proven ocean]

nah'

their marketing is trash so

nobody buys from them here

[fallow hinge]

a lot of classes are still cooking the sim apls

[desert tendon]

who cares about marketing

holy marketting is fire

yet it's trash

[proven ocean]

i mean

if the marketing is bad then nobody buys from them

which means the fast food stores old food

for days or weeks

you'll eat chicken that'll send you to the bathroom for days

u dont want that

[desert tendon]

it doesnt work like that

[dusk hollow]

ah thought so its too early. Ty for reply

[proven ocean]

it does tho

[desert tendon]

it just go to waste

[proven ocean]

nobody buys popeyes here

so

ur cooked

[desert tendon]

bro

[proven ocean]

try to eat from a rly crowded fastfood

usually fresh

[desert tendon]

i was a mcdonald manager

trust me

[wintry solar]

Be nice to yourself

[oblique flicker]

does coup on beta have additional chance to trigger x2 stacks of gravedigger?

[proven ocean]

ye at france

guess what

[wintry solar]

You are what you feed your mind

[proven ocean]

i know how food tastes because i taste it

bozo

[desert tendon]

Ur a bozo

bozo

[proven ocean]

some mcdonalds branches are dogshit

some are rly good

[desert tendon]

indeed

[wintry solar]

Burger King is better no cap

[copper radish]

McDonald’s clears everything

[desert tendon]

nah

i mean

[copper radish]

You wrong popo

[desert tendon]

on paper it s better

[wintry solar]

Van no

[desert tendon]

i just dislike it

the sauce is meh

[proven ocean]

burger king has one of the worst oils ever

like

it depends on where u live and which branch ofc

but

[desert tendon]

they have good bread tho

[proven ocean]

the one i order from

is SO BAD

[wintry solar]

Their fries are edible cold

[proven ocean]

worst bread ever, best bread ever in london when i tried tho

it all just depends on where ur buying it from

thats always how it goes for fastfood restaurants

[copper radish]

I’ve never heard someone say they are craving a whopper 😂

[proven ocean]

trust me im fat (im not)

[desert tendon]

u r

[covert kestrel]

Borger king worst tier

[wintry solar]

Wdym???

Yall have bad burger kings

Which I will admit

[proven ocean]

whopper is so bad, in london it was one of the best fast food burgers i've had in my life

it was in west ham or something

[wintry solar]

When a BK is bad, it's bottom of the barrel bad.

[proven ocean]

forgot where

west something

a mall

forgot

[wintry solar]

But a good BK clears everything ever

[proven ocean]

ye

true

it bangs if its good good

if its bad

then

[copper radish]

Europes got diff food standards than we do that’s probably why

Americas pumping that shit with chemicals and preservatives

[proven ocean]

ye

[wintry solar]

I live by a good BK and it's great

[proven ocean]

i think switzerland has good mcdonalds

rly rly good

high quality meat

[desert tendon]

Anyone wanna play some cs?

[proven ocean]

ye

[desert tendon]

it doesnt need addons

[proven ocean]

wanna play

[fallow hinge]

too busy to play rivals with me huh

[copper radish]

Maybe they got that bayou meat

[desert tendon]

i need to grind on anubis

[proven ocean]

censi

im a pro cs player

ish

[desert tendon]

🥺

[proven ocean]

did u know

or

[desert tendon]

zeross

i think

u are amazing at everything

[wintry solar]

Naw you know what happened? A taco bell opened up and everyone got their shit together

[desert tendon]

and u r the goat

[proven ocean]

thats what she told me

[copper radish]

Now Taco Bell can’t go wrong w that

[desert tendon]

noone told you anything

bozo

[wintry solar]

Unless you only hire local highschoolers

[proven ocean]

?!

[wintry solar]

That's what mine did

Don't even bother going through your food, just send it back. It's wrong.

[proven ocean]

eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

[wintry solar]

You know those dipping burritos?

That come with the sauce?

[proven ocean]

@desert tendon im probably the biggest cs fan that never played cs in his life

[wintry solar]

Well apparently they don't because it's never in the fuckin bag

[desert tendon]

who asked?

anyone?

[proven ocean]

i did

[desert tendon]

ah ok

[proven ocean]

L bozno

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1445869457787457627.webp?size=96&animated=true

if u think about it i asked myself if i should send it or not

[random stirrup]

youve never played it ever?

[proven ocean]

ya

the only thing i think i played was like

[random stirrup]

dang missing out if you like tac shooters

[proven ocean]

vs bots in our computer lab back in school in 2010

probably an early version of cs that was never updated

it was some 10 fps 2d crap

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIoueckSEtU

this one

[civic meadow]

the best version of cs??

1.6 my goat

[proven ocean]

yuh

[proven ocean]

ya i do like

played alot of valorant back then

[random stirrup]

not a huge fan of all the abilities in valorant and cs guns are 10x more satisfying to shoot

cheater stuff is cringe though

[civic meadow]

Val feels smother to me than cs does rn

idk i dont love cs2 compared to go

Go was better imo

[proven ocean]

rank 1 in cs had his name with a link to his cheating client website

so ppl can buy it

that crazy

[civic meadow]

[keen belfry]

go is the goat game

[random stirrup]

yeah last time i played premier in cs2 i got 3 HvH lobbies back to back

very cool

[civic meadow]

Fun game

[proven ocean]

thats why valo is the goat

great anti cheat

and uhh

[civic meadow]

3k hours in counter strike just to be playing val now

[proven ocean]

if u play the non cheating version of cs which is full of pro's thats good too forgot what its called tho

[random stirrup]

yeah, just like the vibe and guns in cs a lot more. it is what it is.

[civic meadow]

Esea probably

[random stirrup]

and ye u can play faceit

[proven ocean]

yea faceit

[civic meadow]

or faceit

ya

Esea is dead

[proven ocean]

idk how u can play in faceit tho

u have to be a pro tho or

[civic meadow]

nah

just need an account

[proven ocean]

ah

not bad then

[civic meadow]

External client

[proven ocean]

might give it a shot

[civic meadow]

Might be paid tho

[random stirrup]

pretty sure it was free last time i played, not sure

[proven ocean]

idm if its paid

[civic meadow]

It wasnt that much anyways

[proven ocean]

i just like to watch ohnepixel

his cs streams are goated

[untold wadi]

i love how ur guys names are the same width

[civic meadow]

[copper radish]

What is this ungodly discord mode

[untold wadi]

take the compact mode pill

[copper radish]

Don’t know if I could lol

[fallen knot]

solo i have a question

thoughts on

gives my shit geared dh like a lot of stats

also i have just realized that s2 tierset is still on, meaning luck of the draw jackpot stuff still is in the game

[cinder relic]

So many people I know are saying "MY main is so shit now, but every alt I play is so fun now"

Kinda funny

[exotic gale]

im afraid to touch alts tbf

[devout umbra]

hello, im a part time rogue player picking up outlaw as main alt for midnight, can someone tell me why we spec shiv when we could get another point in lethality?

[cinder relic]

U can't

[devout umbra]

i imported raid ST talents and took point out of shiv and put it in lethality, so sure you can

[cinder relic]

from wowhead?

[devout umbra]

yeah

[cinder relic]

wowhead stuff is bogged rn, a lot of stuff changed last minute

Currently updating all the talent imports rn

[devout umbra]

aaa okay thanks for the info

ill wait a bit then

[cinder relic]

#outlaw-faq

There aer builds here

make sure to go to prepatch not beta

Theres 2 diff sets of talent imports

[devout umbra]

ohh nice writeup ill make sure to check it out thank you

[fallen knot]

i'm gonna write it here since outlaw is dead anyways

so: s2 enhancement tierset 4p gives you doom winds for 3 secs sometimes, now, if you spec into ascendance, doomwinds technically becomes ascendance, when tierset procs it gives doomwinds but it's actually ascendance

[keen belfry]

enhancement

[cinder relic]

lets not do this

[fallen knot]

ok

sorry

but i advise you to try your s2 tierpiece, it may have some wonky interactions now during prepatch

[keen belfry]

its true its dead

[chilly atlas]

maybe its so dead that we get giga buffed before xpac live?

[opal saffron]

Does the original version of killing spree being like a melee teleport around the enemy attack animation survive at all in midnight in any iteration?

[keen belfry]

no

[opal saffron]

Outlaw is dead

(To me)

[keen belfry]

based

[fallen knot]

i am getting ignored on the enhancement channel rip

[opal saffron]

So the only way to access the original killing spree is to play classic wow now?

[glass mortar]

yes

[keen belfry]

or TWW S2 clasic

[opal saffron]

Why dont i just go play on a wrath of the lich king private server back when it was combat rogue 😭

[glass mortar]

u could also play non private mop servers where it is still combat rogue

pretty sure it even has old killing spree

but ye whichever catches ur fancy

[craggy quiver]

Anyone know of a mik battle scrolling text or parrot2 alternative?

[keen belfry]

i dont

yw

[vivid vessel]

np

[fallen knot]

they dont take me seriously awang why

[keen belfry]

enhance channel

is dogshit

[fallen knot]

i know

i remember when i mained enhance i went here for advice and i usually got it

[keen belfry]

outlaw only disc channel that can teach you all the specs

i will teach you enhance or mage better than their god foresaken discords

[craggy quiver]

Cursed AF I don't think mik or parrot2 should stop working

[keen belfry]

in order to move forward to 2026 wow

you must move backwards to 2011 wow

just remeber that gyu

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[untold wadi]

idr which one i used, but being able to filter out flurry ticks and whatever was very nice

a shame they die

[vivid vessel]

thats big gone

[frail veldt]

Rip

[craggy quiver]

Jesus fk man let me keep my addons bruh

Shit is not even combat just dmg numbers

[shell fossil]

npcs in range being gone is also huge l, even though i started playing outlaw and sin without that addon

[vivid vessel]

thats not gone

you could remake something like that

[shell fossil]

my addon stopped working but that's good to know

[vivid vessel]

wait maybe not im actually usure

well the addon would need updating of course

no ye it should still be doable

[shell fossil]

okay, ye lol

[mighty pivot]

guys... why does trickster need to chug so many redbulls to have any energy

[frail veldt]

less SS proc less energy talent

[mighty pivot]

how about they unnerf our passive energy gain

[frail veldt]

and less cp from ss proc

[lime lake]

How about you get more haste bud

[vivid vessel]

no bro that does not fit the lore

[lime lake]

[glass mortar]

cant wait till we face real content where u want to feint more often then never like live

[mighty pivot]

I have 28% haste, no way I am recrafting for prepatch

[glass mortar]

im sure this outlaws gunna feel amazing and smooth like butter

🤤

[keen belfry]

buttery!

[frail veldt]

as long as were fatebound

well

I wonder what happens to our apm in longer sims

[sullen walrus]

outlaw is op lol

someone test him on beta?

[frail veldt]

cuz in the 5 min sim the energy was fine but im wondering if that falls off in a dungeon scenario

[copper radish]

Fatebound outlaw is a fun time right now

[vivid vessel]

how much you guys wanna bet we get 10% aura nerfed before release at the very least, and they do not compensate with a bf buff

[glass mortar]

well zac the thing is we kinda are no longer good out of the box

[copper radish]

Uncapped flurry when

[glass mortar]

getting minimum haste in s1 before raid is gunna be rough

so outlaw shouldnt even really overperform w1 logs anymore

maybe it will dodge w1 nerfs

u have actual gear requirements

[copper radish]

Like Lok said yesterday that 1% haste from gnome racial looking 🔥

5 extra energy too. Win win

[frail veldt]

NE

[sullen walrus]

@sand path dps on beta is better than 2 days ago lol

[frail veldt]

I wish you could pick which benefit you get

[copper radish]

What is the official time that swaps? Sunset PST? Lol

[glass mortar]

i mean they buffed us yesterday so i would assume dps on beta is better then 2 days ago

[frail veldt]

yeah I guess when the game says the suns down

[sullen walrus]

in phys comp outlaw will be shine

[copper radish]

Where my WW at

[glass mortar]

WW changes have convinced me blizzard is just tuning via chatgpt

that shit is pretty funny ngl

[copper radish]

Do we still get a melee buff from them

[glass mortar]

@vivid vessel did u see the thing with WW

their notes even had an actual dev explanation

and it was just wrong

[sullen walrus]

ye

[fathom bramble]

I think it was 6 am 6 pm server time

should be easy to check if you have a nelf and want to log in at that time

[copper radish]

So gotta do keys in between those hours for the 1% haste

[fathom bramble]

server time means you could potentially server transfer a few timezones over and still raid with your guild thanks to crossrealm to get a more favorable stat timing 🤔

[glass mortar]

my understanding was anyone with racials that change based on the day/night cycle are hardlocked to 1 of those stats in raid/m+ instances

maybe thats outdated info tho since i havent found any info about it since i learned that, 3 expacs ago

[fathom bramble]

I believe this was reverted to actually follow the clock

[copper radish]

Imagine being mid fight at the stats change over 😭

And lose that 0.8s gcd

[fathom bramble]

I don't even have a nelf to check with anymore gg

[copper radish]

When I get on later I’ll check my night elf and see what server time it swaps

Google says “it aligns with real world sunrise/sunset times based on the server timezone”

[mighty pivot]

@gaunt phoenix the prepatch fb build with deal fate made the cut because mint is bugged, or because it was oversimming?

[fathom bramble]

mint is still bugged on the prepatch

[mighty pivot]

isn't that what I wrote

[fathom bramble]

sorry I read it as a question of bugged or because it was oversimming

[gaunt phoenix]

bug

deal fate vs bugged mint should be close though

it's not oversimming, i disabled the heads effect for prepatch

[cinder relic]

Why

Why as I'm trying to fix the guides

[jolly geyser]

Sorry I took it down

[hasty warren]

dam u ramlu

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm it seems bugged mint still wins for me

idr what profile made me put deal fate

[low glade]

for FB on beta, are we just slamming KiR on cd in the opener?

[frail veldt]

@gaunt phoenix have you run any longer sims to observe what energy feels like well past 5 minutes of combat?

[low glade]

not fishing for anything specific?

[frail veldt]

KIR conditions is rtb 2+

so I think you use it on opener yeah

[glass mortar]

so yes u will basically slam it in the opener since ur first roll will be 2+

[frail veldt]

theres some sequence with prep

[glass mortar]

itll get slammed at latest anytime u proc LD and reroll

[low glade]

thanks for the tips guys

[frail veldt]

wait doesnt it get delayed @glass mortar

[glass mortar]

delayed... past the opener?

[frail veldt]

cuz you adr rtb then you prep then adr rtb again then you only kir the second one?

[glass mortar]

the opener is like 5 button presses

im pretty sure u use it as one of them

[fathom bramble]

prep is missing from ARs gcd reduction btw @gaunt phoenix

[frail veldt]

I thought you kir the second rtb

[fathom bramble]

and SS got the weird delay back, but this might actually be intended and not a bug

[glass mortar]

in the opener in the faq its used after the first RtB

maybe there will be some more optimized min max for it in the advanced section when it drops

[frail veldt]

gotcha

[glass mortar]

wait why would you double adr in the opener

you just waste 80% of an adr

[frail veldt]

yeah maybe im misremembering

one of them I thought you delay

[glass mortar]

it doesnt pandemic or anything

[frail veldt]

maybe its the prep

cuz I guess you would waste LD right?

if you adr->rtb->kir then prep

[glass mortar]

ud waste LD and adr yea

you probably do that

[frail veldt]

you will adr again after first adr

then your ld will run out

[glass mortar]

u just dont cast adr again until it falls off

yea

[frail veldt]

but even then

youd still waste that ld

so youd delay adr?

[glass mortar]

then ud be holding kir for like 20 seconds also

theres no way to be 100% efficient with this because of how prep works

given how low impact kir is its likely it doesnt rlly matter tho

minmaxing it around that opener double loaded dice

[frail veldt]

so prob delay the kir for your second rtb

[glass mortar]

i doubt it since cdr

[frail veldt]

so you adr->rtb->prep->adr again(after first adr ends)->rtb once first rtb ends then youd kir?

I forget we talked through this in midnigth channel but channel gone

[glass mortar]

that is a hella delay on kir tho

[frail veldt]

its 30s delay yeah

[glass mortar]

adr > rtb > prep > kir > rotation > adr after adr ends

[frail veldt]

youd press it on your 2nd rtb

[limpid sky]

i guess after rolling stage 3 + you just send the kir? or do you still hold it for stage 2 uptime

[frail veldt]

so exactly 30s after the first one

[frail veldt]

stage 2+

[limpid sky]

yeah makes sense

[glass mortar]

i dont know why you feel delaying kir 30s (probably 1/3rd of its total effective cd) to maximize LD efficiency is more important then kir cdr efficiency

but thats not currently whats recommended in the guide so

[frail veldt]

its either delay KiR by 30s or delay 2nd adr on the opener by 12s or waste an LD

[glass mortar]

i guess we wait for advanced section

[frail veldt]

yeah all the options sound awkward

[limpid sky]

that just sounds cringe across the board 😭

[glass mortar]

would it even waste a LD

isnt LD a 30 second buff duration

[frail veldt]

yeah thats the problem

your 2nd adr is at 18s or whatever

[glass mortar]

15s yea

[frail veldt]

which means you have 40+ seconds left on rtb

if you kir the first one

so your LD will run out

or youd just LD early

[vivid vessel]

rtb doesnt pandemic anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[cinder relic]

Isn't prep off GCD

[glass mortar]

thatd be nice

[frail veldt]

so you either waste 15s of stage 2 rtb

or you waste LD entirely

maybe just rtb early before LD drops?

[cinder relic]

I swear it was when I was playing with it earlier

Might be crazy

[fathom bramble]

it probably should be lol

[glass mortar]

i think when u guys discussed this in midnight channel iirc you ended up with the conclusion that unless u had 3+ buffs on ur kir, rerolling early before ur second LD falls off would probably be the optimal play

but its a wait for sims angle prob

[frail veldt]

it was back in the day

[glass mortar]

preps off the gcd in classic

[fathom bramble]

it definitely is on the gcd though

[glass mortar]

😎

[fathom bramble]

I just noticed it felt longer than normal and it's missing from the whitelist on AR

[glass mortar]

does it at least have a sickass animation

[vivid vessel]

[glass mortar]

[fathom bramble]

just hit 9 stacks of bte

casual 54% more damage randomly

[glass mortar]

did you feel ascended

[fathom bramble]

I felt the same

[glass mortar]

yea

this outlaw doesnt highroll for shit gameplay wise

[vivid vessel]

we could have had ace procs instead

but no

instead you just get a damage amp

[glass mortar]

at least ur damage breakdown still has a ton of variance adders

shame u cant feel almost any of them anymore

[frail veldt]

added damage variance and reduced gameplay variance

worst of both worlds 🙂

[glass mortar]

holy look at those autos go

[covert kestrel]

outlaw players have such strong arms these days

[mighty pivot]

how about 13

[glass mortar]

its honestly our fault we all acted like pirate trinket was super banger

[fathom bramble]

without apex?

that's crazy

[glass mortar]

"the outlaws crave more passive damage"

[mighty pivot]

no that's from beta

[fathom bramble]

I see

[gaunt phoenix]

some iteration got 18

[fathom bramble]

I like how I basically need to log dungeons now if I want a damage meter

like details can't see anything anymore

[glass mortar]

finally, blizzard got serious players to log m+

4d chess

now we can take m+ parses seriously

[fathom bramble]

true

[polar kelp]

I've used the blizz UI damage meter in 5 keys. Every single key we all had different results....it's so accurate

That's clearing data every time too

[covert kestrel]

they are fuzzing the data so we focus on the good times with friends and not the competition

[fathom bramble]

probably related to entering combat at different times

I would guess

[vivid vessel]

i can do it on dummies

wdym

[fathom bramble]

I can't check number of casts of a thing, number of hits, number of misses/parries, crits, or uptimes of any auras

[vivid vessel]

yes true

that works in keys ?

[fathom bramble]

just combatlog everything

and check the logs afterwards

or you can't have info

[civic meadow]

the blizzard one has literally 0 features its p sad

shows about 0 extra information other than what did what damage atm

[fathom bramble]

and since all details can do is reskin what blizzard is offering it also has the same restrictions

[gaunt phoenix]

legit a 2004 vanilla meter

[civic meadow]

good game!

yep lmfao

[gaunt phoenix]

if not worse

[glass mortar]

damage meters r toxic anyways

[vivid vessel]

well it does more

[glass mortar]

they shoulda just banned them

make the top key players go off vibes

[civic meadow]

On god

[vivid vessel]

details still is able to display some more info rn

[glass mortar]

frfr

[vivid vessel]

even tho its not much more

[fathom bramble]

well it looks like it actually remembers old fights

[civic meadow]

details has like crit% and stuff still no

[fathom bramble]

doesn't look like it

[civic meadow]

damn

[vivid vessel]

at lest you can open the window and shit

but ye

[civic meadow]

yeah rofl

[fathom bramble]

thinks literally nothing crit and doesn't know how many hits you even had

[civic meadow]

cant even open the blizzard one

its just there

[glass mortar]

0.008 auto hits doing that much damage goes hard afffff

imagine if you could get a full swing off

[mighty pivot]

i hope they will at least port the beta changes over. It's essentially useless like this

[fathom bramble]

I doubt anything from the beta will make it over before midnight actually launches

[wintry solar]

Do we have working sims for prepatch

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[fathom bramble]

it's kind of a waste of man hours to do that

[wintry solar]

Cool ty

[mighty pivot]

they will port over some API changes which are urgent

dunno if they will bother with also updating their temu addons at the same time

[wintry solar]

They announced some already

[lean topaz]

iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiis there a bug with spec tree atm? I am missing 2 talent points - unless wowhead is wrong

[gaunt phoenix]

screenshot

[lean topaz]

I should be able to get 2nd pt in vifor and then also get thistle tea

[faint pendant]

yeah

that's 31

it's correct

[mighty pivot]

remove middle talents

[gaunt phoenix]

you have too much utility

[wintry solar]

Lol

[wintry solar]

Imagine telling a mage that

[faint pendant]

[lean topaz]

This is rom wowhead - wtf

[vivid vessel]

wtf !

fuck wowhead bro ..

[lean topaz]

bro, channel builds link to that

oh I see it! xD

[unborn shoal]

Wow head also says fatebound is best in the talent section and then says trickster is best in all situations in the rotation section

[mighty pivot]

guy trolling people again...

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not even guy's fault

[wintry solar]

He's gonna fix them

[gaunt phoenix]

wowhead template is crazy rn

[lean topaz]

I'm getting old my word

[jolly geyser]

arent we all

[gaunt phoenix]

wowhead is a bitch to update when i can just type words and hit enter

in #outlaw-faq

[mighty pivot]

where is the advanced page of the faq?

[lean topaz]

That FAQ is beautifull btw

[gaunt phoenix]

i actually have a small one to add

[unborn shoal]

kk ima play with fatebound then lol

[lean topaz]

Show spec tree rn?

[cinder relic]

I updated wowhead

Is it wrong now?

[lean topaz]

Looks correct

[polar kelp]

Are we really going no capstone talents as aoe fatebound? Not even kir?

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR vs Menacing Rush should be like the same overall

so can pick the one you like

[polar kelp]

Hmm weird. I'm sure itl change 5 times before midnight

[lean topaz]

I see lord @patent lion was running Preparation

[fallen knot]

guys they found me

[faint pendant]

yep

EU is over

[fallen knot]

i hope they dont fix my ascendance build

i wanna do at least one more key with it

[jolly geyser]

I was about to log in for something,darn

[gaunt phoenix]

naughty word update

[wintry solar]

??

I gotta know

[normal forge]

utmost importance

[glass mortar]

cant believe they nerfed profanities like this

[covert kestrel]

Damn my character just got flagged for name change, rip to Bonerforblizz

[glass mortar]

literally hellokitty island advanture

[normal forge]

all 40 yrs old will like this

[glass mortar]

[glass mortar]

did it actually

[covert kestrel]

no i am le meme lord

[cinder relic]

I mean people get thru with really insane user names right now

[wintry solar]

The limit is 12 characters

[cinder relic]

They end up getting flagged after enough ppl report them but like

It's not surprising they are finally updating it

[covert kestrel]

There was a guy who got his og toon name of "Gay" changed like yesterday lol

[wintry solar]

If my vulp named furfuqsake is banned I'll cry

[covert kestrel]

As long as my UH DK Stepcyst is ok I'm doing fine

[jolly geyser]

Just name your chars in another language

seen some sus ones in finnish,I dont report them ofc

[hearty stump]

EU players slurs per second cratering

[wintry solar]

I wonder who spends the time to report names

[glass mortar]

me

[jolly geyser]

no idea

[glass mortar]

i actually just reported ur vulpera 15 times

they r coming for u popo

[wintry solar]