outlaw

[winged raft]

any resource display addons for combo points

[low glade]

solo sent a disappointed gif

i don't think he's happy about it

[shell fossil]

rolling ele sham as a side piece

[vivid vessel]

i stopped long ago bud

midnight is very boring

[leaden folio]

give them 0 data

[vapid sundial]

Zac is about to stop playing wow

Ff main

[lone spear]

[leaden folio]

give them 0 log

[glass mortar]

i mean its not like theres anything to test

[wintry solar]

LoL probably

[glass mortar]

unless ur hunting bugs for blizzard to fix like a good little tester paying to have ur spec function at a basic level, nothing for outlaw has changed in months

[vapid sundial]

Zac.

Gm push stream?

[glass mortar]

i uninstalled beta like a week ago

[vivid vessel]

im very bad at league

[silk dirge]

i mean the changes are really good for raid no?

[vivid vessel]

altoguh i like playing the game

[glass mortar]

no

[silk dirge]

just shit for m+

[glass mortar]

is cleave not important in raid?

ur whole aoe profile got shot in the head

[magic pollen]

oh man

[low glade]

waiting on pin just to make sure my opinion is correct

[glass mortar]

people see a 15% buff and dont understand at all

do u think you are going to do more ST then every spec in the game by 15%

[magic pollen]

upgrading stuff on retail using gildet crests xD

[glass mortar]

if not that just tuning you to be with other players

but now you are doing the same ST, and much less aoe

because you only cleave for 25%

[magic pollen]

even tho it was already updated by another item

[shell fossil]

next week they're gonna buff feral and balance

67

[wintry solar]

15-10=5 so we get a 5% AoE buff

[magic pollen]

buff blanace ?

[glass mortar]

quickmaf

[copper radish]

How do they get individual spell buffs on top of an overall buff

[vapid sundial]

Mayhem main p

?

[vivid vessel]

mayhem?

[vapid sundial]

Aram

Try it

Aram mayhem

[vivid vessel]

nah i dont play for fun gamemodes

[vapid sundial]

Bozo

[vivid vessel]

i just play ranked

i mean its like wow

i dont do weeklies

i just do raid progress, raid logs and r1 keys

im not interested

in other content

[wintry solar]

Zzz

[mighty pivot]

@gaunt phoenix cold blood might be fixed with the latest build, it hasn't broken at all so far (fb melee seems ok too)

[wintry solar]

Ninja

People as good as Zac have bad transmogs

[mighty pivot]

popo

=poop

[wintry solar]

Nuh uh

[mighty pivot]

zac does have mid tmogs though

[vivid vessel]

what

my mogs are legit banger wdym

[vivid vessel]

@leaden sonnet i wonder if an higher up said they needed to reduce cleave, and they just forgot outlaw does not do aoe outside bf

[leaden sonnet]

Possible

[fresh acorn]

Just start sandbagging in beta

[vapid sundial]

Was is there to sand bag

[fresh acorn]

Shouldn’t be hard to try in dungeons

[glass mortar]

tfw one of the specs in the games entire aoe profile is cleave

we got filtered

[lone spear]

dont gotta try sandbag

[restive obsidian]

Is it sandbagging when you dont have energy to push buttons

[frail veldt]

Hit with the Ctrl f

[lone spear]

just play the game

[leaden sonnet]

Dont y'all have blade rush with your new tier set?

[frail veldt]

Yeah that's like 50% of our AOE

For sure

[fresh acorn]

Doing healer dam on Algathar first pull

[red zinc]

at this point

yeah

[vivid vessel]

thats funny

i was under tank

on that pull

[frail veldt]

Damn your healer sucks

[vivid vessel]

as usual

[lone spear]

i think we're all masochists at this point

[vapid sundial]

Speak for yourself

I haven't logged in in months

[shell fossil]

at least all the jank is on display

[lone spear]

im playing dh next xpac

im chillin xdd

[vapid sundial]

I don't think I'm playing

Atm

Not til new class Dev

[lone spear]

unluck

[shell fossil]

and not covered up by neat as heck but problematic stealth gimmicks

and cantrips

[lone spear]

they reall thought RtB was the problem

[vapid sundial]

I will unironically play arknights instead of wow

At this point

[wintry solar]

At least bfa outlaw had good aoe and 2 charges of BF

[lone spear]

when we still have dmg profile flatter than my balls

wait that doesnt make sense

but u get me

[vapid sundial]

?

Nk

[shell fossil]

for real outlaw would work with deathstalker what is this fatebound meme

[chilly atlas]

legion had toggle bladeflurry and mc!

[vapid sundial]

don't think I do

[lime lake]

you may want to see a doctor

[chilly atlas]

my balls are bumpy 🙁

[wintry solar]

No he's just into that really kinky stuff that I won't explain

[vestal notch]

If they wanted to reduce cleavd they wouldnt have buffed psychic link

[lone spear]

just need to add shit to this base spec, its like an alpha of what we should be

[wintry solar]

See

Here's my tin foil hat take

They're bringing back borrowed power in TLT

[lone spear]

i'd pog

those expansions were always fun last couple patches

[glass mortar]

maybe the idea is outlaws entire aoe damage profile is borrowed power

[lone spear]

hoooly

its fine they gonna add new pirate spec in TLT

and we swap that

and leave this one to rot

[wintry solar]

And that one has sick visuals

[chilly atlas]

the make outlaw rogue tank

[fringe sapphire]

Yeah new Outlaw rotation just dropped Alt+F4

[gaunt phoenix]

Kinda funny. Maybe that was the issue

[lone spear]

LOL

[gaunt phoenix]

@mighty pivot meant to reply

[fading pilot]

Question, as a non rogue main. Was the tumbleweed animation new? Or have I just never noticd it before?

[lone spear]

ye new

[wintry solar]

It's new

[gaunt phoenix]

It is new

[fading pilot]

Thanks

[lone spear]

that juri profile animation is unhinged lmao

blizz needs one for xalatath frfr

[wintry solar]

Crazy how you know who that was

[lone spear]

i play SF

and 2xko

cant spend all day playing outlaw i'd blow my brains out

[wintry solar]

SF is a city in California and 2xko is just keyboard smashing to me

[lone spear]

so uncultured smh

[wintry solar]

Wait ive heard of 2xko

Looked it up, I've heard of it yeah

[mighty pivot]

that would be weird because it used to proc fine initially and then stopped. But now I wonder if it was actually breaking after 45s

[ivory moon]

Anyone know of a good addon that tracks roll the bones timer and CP's?

[chilly atlas]

i use arcui along with sensei resource bar now

[ivory moon]

ill check the sensei out. thanks

[covert kestrel]

At least we can play fatebound while doing no damage now!

[cinder relic]

about what

[covert kestrel]

Defending our honor

[cinder relic]

LOL

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm, so ravenholdt mint is not +4% per stack, it is just +4% flat to whatever the final heads result should be

[cinder relic]

is that good or bad

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not as good as we thought

or i thought

any thinkers

[frank finch]

bug or thats how is supposed to work

[gaunt phoenix]

it's probably how it was supposed to work

[cinder relic]

I doubt thats a bug you'd just prefer it to work in the other way

[mighty pivot]

4% flat is how I interpreted it too. It would be completely weird if it buffed tails only by 15% but gigabuffed heads like that

[gaunt phoenix]

[lime lake]

[lime plank]

Are crafting orders down for nayone keeps telling me its failed

[quaint mauve]

i like my shaman more rn

[misty bridge]

same, its probably a game wide issue

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-gif-6906939104301495025

[cinder relic]

Ive never felt more back with new law

[pastel sierra]

outlaw saving rogue for me rn

[lime plank]

It safe to do Crit haste so I can mix with Sub?

[cinder relic]

Sure

Both specs dont want too much tho remember

U want like 30~ for both atm

[grave rose]

Im enjoying it

[mighty pivot]

btw outlaw had a 65% spec aura, they baked it in, and now it's at 38% again already

[keen belfry]

this is giving TWW S3 vibes where zac crashed out on patch notes, guy got on his ass, but then we became worst spec in game

do history repreat?

do ??

[cinder relic]

My plans coming across perfectly

I want outlaw to be the worst spec ever

[lime plank]

currently at 28% crit and haste 28 vers and 28 mast

for outlaw

[pastel sierra]

i need to be able to get gear recrafted and upgraded so i can enjoy the 30%+ haste

[cinder relic]

I have too much haste

[pastel sierra]

i'm exactly 20%

[cinder relic]

I have like 38

[pastel sierra]

but so much mastery

from my assa gear

[shell fossil]

had a ticking sack of terror in my vault last week for sub and now i'm sad

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/raingump-kto-kounotori-kounotoritoken-lbow-gif-16962943832134133311

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-the-simpsons-two-knives-i-gotta-tell-ya-this-is-pretty-terrific-gif-27687620

[ancient cobalt]

i used 6 dinars on the sack

[plain fox]

Bro, I miss perma trick

[ancient cobalt]

cause i bought a heroic one

[lime plank]

sorry 38 crit 31 haste 15 vers now had wrong neck on

[misty bridge]

So i'm like 99% certain that Blade Rush is what breaks Cold Blooded Killer

[hardy vault]

You still play trickster rn

[cinder relic]

wowhead is wrong!

[lime plank]

Also side note cant upgrade gear past 5/8

[cinder relic]

Will be updating it tonight

Trickster is better atm

[plain fox]

why, play tricks now if the next season is fatebound

[cinder relic]

Well who knows

tuning is actively still happening

[split grove]

Even with hating tww outlaw gameplay i don't get how you can enjoy outlaw prepatch (or midnight w/e) if you liked sl / df outlaw
Like wtf am i playing it's so slow and boring nothing happens procs are meh, ar feels almost useless i feel like outlaw lost its soul and i LOVED sl / df outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

I need to reevaluate trickster vs fatebound on beta cause ravenholdt mint is not as strong as how I wrote it into sims

[fathom whale]

so aree we playing surv next xpac

[hardy vault]

Trickster

[keen belfry]

if trickster is the play we really are approaching doomsday

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster does feel like dog ass with beta haste tho

[hardy vault]

I’ll 100% play it as an alt, just for the luls

[quaint mauve]

how do i get to the catch up area

[keen belfry]

one would say, unplayable

[hardy vault]

Outlaw PI inc

even more

[covert kestrel]

Wait 6 days

[cinder relic]

I think its missing a gimmick like an ER type spell

But I fw it mostly

[quaint mauve]

oh

well back to waiting ig

[gaunt phoenix]

i love pressing AR and then immediate killing spree for like 1/3rd of its duration

[frail veldt]

ER would be siiiiiiick

[frail veldt]

Rofl

[split grove]

Yeah idk gimme one thing like the necro spear or er or anything really this is not it

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe we should deliberately try to ks before ar

[glass mortar]

if its any consolation at least kspree also does no damage now

[cinder relic]

Yeah just some extra button

But iduno, with or without it I fw it

[glass mortar]

have u tried simming cancelling it during AR?

[cinder relic]

I get not fingw it though

[shell fossil]

less than 2% from the one key i did with a rogue

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, you cancel it during ar

[glass mortar]

LOL

amazing glowup

[split grove]

Good for you hope you'll continue having fun

[glass mortar]

so glad they also never iterated on this spell

[ancient cobalt]

cannonball barrage

[split grove]

And hope i can get used to it idk

[hardy vault]

Pretending outlaw is gonna be a good choice in prog

It’s gonna be assa or sub 100%

[cinder relic]

Hey I mean if theres any chance to swap mains, nows the time

[hardy vault]

Never an outlaw season

[cinder relic]

Try some stuff out yk

[covert kestrel]

Well obvious

[gaunt phoenix]

i will type a little blurb on the blade flurry thing after bugtesting

[shell fossil]

it felt good in season 1 and parts of 2

and thats what counts

[keen belfry]

on beta i was pressing KS before AR

i think worth

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/its-over-its-genuinely-over-seal-sad-seal-breaking-news-gif-243396507301445550

Just pin this

[split grove]

Idk i've only played outlaw on wow and i loved it so much i don't really want to play anything else 🫠

[covert kestrel]

Break angle

[cinder relic]

valid

[mighty pivot]

basically ignoring the -10% cd on it then?

[split grove]

Maybe ya

[cinder relic]

Whats ur issue with it exactly? the energy does get better with the apex talent

[shell fossil]

getting to sit on stix cause everyone is doing bomb crabs and there's two dk's in the raid

yee city

[gaunt phoenix]

remember we have talents boosting blade flurry to like 40% still

it's not exactly 25% all the time, as low as that sounds

[glass mortar]

on live those talents also exist tho

except the fatebound one ig

[vivid vessel]

bf goes up to 100% on live

and we have gmn

and we do tank damage

with 45% bf

[glass mortar]

oh we do have gm i forgot its just gone

[near rock]

Try out the other specs at least

[mighty pivot]

39% for FB, ~43% for trickster as long as you have FF

[glass mortar]

not like they baked that damage into bf, if anything the opposite

[split grove]

Maybe i just need more gameplay time but it just felt... Bad ? On target dummies
Ace feels bad
Energy isn't my main issue even if not perfect
Going from crackshot and uhuh to... Afk half the time cuz you have 30% ar uptime
New rtb is less dopamine
Missing the cto procs
Kir feels meh
It's a lot of things that just make the feel of gameplay bad / boring for me

[vivid vessel]

i mean they just removed pc

gm was 80% uptime

10% bf damage

now its a talent

8%

100% uptime

[glass mortar]

i mean its filler

[vivid vessel]

so its kinda just baked

[glass mortar]

we are playing filler law

[vivid vessel]

but pc is gone

so

[glass mortar]

its the same filler we've done for 8 years or w/e

and thats it

[vivid vessel]

without rtb

so idk

filler but more boring '

[glass mortar]

yes filler but with less procs and things around the filler to react to

then almost anytime i can remember playing this spec

[vivid vessel]

like sl had mfd and er

and sbs

and shit

[split grove]

I did, and i feel like they've both become so easy to play like is there even anything left to min max ? I feel like the 3 specs are 3 button builder spender and that's all

[vivid vessel]

i mean

sub is

[covert kestrel]

But think of the rush of efficient building and spending! Who needs cooldowns or popping off when you can build to 6 and spend linearly!

[hardy vault]

Outlaw players in Despair and then I come here as a Sub player like 100% opposite haha

[vivid vessel]

not a spec

bro

[hardy vault]

Nah not the other rogue specs, other specs in general. There’s 40 in the game now, one will fit your playstyle for sure.

[covert kestrel]

Not feeling that way from trying out the melees so far... Maybe I'll find a diamond in the rough

[glass mortar]

if ur looking for speed and proc based reaction gameplay ur best bet is fury or more likely enhance to try

[split grove]

Yeah idk i feel like everyone is dooming on the pruning ahah but we'll see i might try something else if outlaw still feels giga bad in midnight (and if tuning is also bad)

[wintry solar]

I'm just worried about being useless in aoe

[split grove]

I'm just sad outlaw lost it's uniqueness because we had to make it more accessible even if i can understand

[shell fossil]

if we're down bad im sure feral and windwalker monks are looking at rerolling too

they're gonna aura buff a fair amount

[covert kestrel]

Dw we lost our semi useful niches too

[hardy vault]

Tbh I didn’t try out anything other than sub and outlaw so far. There’s still an open rogue spot in my new guild so I might as well fill it. Havoc felt pretty much same on beta as rn and fdk is the same as sub imo.

[split grove]

Being a melee in wow sucks anyway lmao

[covert kestrel]

I wonder how the fixes are

[shell fossil]

ranged player

https://tenor.com/view/the-binding-of-isaac-fiend-folio-fiend-golem-nys-gif-26815100

[torn dew]

Any alternative to outlaw that still feels fun to play?

[midnight ridge]

Frost

[frail veldt]

Enhance

[covert kestrel]

Anyone try either of the warrior specs or havoc

[cinder relic]

I tried some fury

Its lit

[hardy vault]

Havoc is the same as before just without the sigils (which means less annoying @cursor gameplay)

So it fucks

Much fun

[covert kestrel]

Is it still pressing that button and then getting two dances in the tight window type vibe

[buoyant stratus]

I think the only solution to outlaw woes is to make pistol shot a 2 second empower spell and bte a 3 second cast.

Caster meta, we must adapt

[hardy vault]

Essence Break is different now iirc, also you don’t play it

[thorn parrot]

Man I just wnat to hear the ping and dump more BTE 🙁

[strange kelp]

Make AR a channeled empower while you are at it

[cinder relic]

yoooo

More stages per stack of fan

[covert kestrel]

That was the bit I didn't enjoy, also never loved the back flip dash

[buoyant stratus]

Greenskins can be like engulf

[hardy vault]

It’s backflip felblade now (at least for reaver) so targeted and not as easy to die with. Also there’s very competitive low/no mover builds

[buoyant stratus]

And blade flurry? Psh needs a new name

[cinder relic]

blade charge

Its also a channel

[buoyant stratus]

"Bullet spray"

"Spray and pray"

[covert kestrel]

Blade furry, make us combined with feral

[covert kestrel]

[lime plank]

Wtb fix for craft orders

[plain fox]

I can see logs from pre patch?

[keen belfry]

is there anyway we take the longer AR talent with the changes

taking a talent that makes your AR stronger when you dont even feel it feels like shit id rather just have longer AR

[pastel shore]

yo, any chance you had time to check ArcUI for the RTB bar?

[low glade]

is recrafting fucked for anyone?

[gaunt phoenix]

Everyone

[cinder relic]

Idk after the changes but a tier set could incentivize its usage

[low glade]

so it's not just me!

about to raid and I have like 5% haste as sub

so sick

[shell fossil]

tier sets are off right?

[thorn parrot]

its damage % for me

[strange kelp]

They just give 16%

[low glade]

you can't even apply stormbound armor kits to new gear

nice extended maintenance bozos

[keen belfry]

i literally cant even tell im in AR

[gaunt phoenix]

sucks but 20% amp is kind of a lot. I doubt heightened will sim well

[keen belfry]

AR seems even more lost to me than when it was not even a CD cause perma uptime

[keen belfry]

yeah wouldnt its extended duration have to double or something

like 8 extra seconds

[gaunt phoenix]

to make up the damage in globals yeah

but, heighted does affect energy and autos a bit

[cinder relic]

dw u can put all old enchants on ur gear

[low glade]

insane comms

ty green name goat

[gaunt phoenix]

satyr a blast from the ancient past

[copper radish]

Is that the naxx shoulder enchant?

[cinder relic]

Its mop

LOLOL

[copper radish]

I wonder if someone still has a naxx one laying around

Probably broken and forgot about lol

[low glade]

glad I kept my old outlaw haste/verse gear

[covert kestrel]

Be a bit later

[low glade]

knew it was good for something

[covert kestrel]

It should be in the cdm, there is a buff that can be tracked for RtB (I think it's called something different), and then you can look for that buff in the bars section or arc

[latent ridge]

Can anyone share a UI mockup and/or a cooldown manager setup?

[quiet ore]

don't forget that the tww enchants just weren't scaled, so the tww chest enchant and leg not-enchant just give more primary stat than most slots do right now 🙂

[low glade]

haste flask gives the same amount as a ring enchant

[cinder relic]

resource bars are from the sensei addon

[lime plank]

Anything worth binding tea too?

[gaunt phoenix]

It doesnt give a mastery buff anymore

it just energy and is automatic when you need it

[hardy vault]

How long do you think until they fix this and disable the enchants lol?

[gaunt phoenix]

historically they will usually let prepatch be funky outside of obvious exploity stuff

[shell fossil]

level cap it eventually for sure

[hardy vault]

When I found out earlier I was like “no way this makes this past the prepatch”

[latent ridge]

Ty! are you using some customization for cooldown manager or they are the default settings?

[hardy vault]

DF Weight and Whetstones also give more AP than current ones btw

[shell fossil]

aura buffs will be delayed as a result

[cinder relic]

Other than the sensei resource bars, its all default stuff

No bullshit

[hardy vault]

Still debating whether Elemental Sharpening stones from classic are worth it at 75g a pop

[latent ridge]

Oks, i saw a lot of possibilities and so i got pretty lost ahahahah

[frail veldt]

Yeah power level and bugs in pre patch like this aren't really a priority for them historically

[cinder relic]

1|JdA9S8NQGAVgtQ76B9TjFIcuQu/S0e9RUAOldVJoEHWIoENqtYMaEZ1zcRB0sElam3YSUUFFKP4CB8H6OQkuzg4uvqddnnOT8Obec/c6d4p9g+7ukdnf1n45DO8B3iO8T+hueH/wfqB7oc+hJ+T71SnCAOE3tAk9D21Db3JsFKUEKgGiE6gpqAyiSahpqDTULMeK0EkknqAD6DgHxsg44W/XFgR7HSoreePw4ZBsCPUaajHJpTmoFF/miIOgh5knPIJdEK5fhOiVvMG34De4fCcf3GsEhQvJuwwHtskWdwhJmZyREqkI2S/UjiVvuziUJmxTj0hVuH+GslAdQvk3jLmy6HCbRYx93odOtq6GveNSfeCgWaPZrtVJuvkNaSJndWdSq8u5RSNhmDlnxcr/Aw==

This is what Im using if u wanna steal it and go from there

[latent ridge]

idk if there are some recommended cooldown manager settings for CDs or procs and so

[hardy vault]

This is an import string for CD Manager

[keen belfry]

take me back to yesterday when outlaw was fun cause it was new

[hardy vault]

I need to do more keys to end up in despair city with all u other guys

[keen belfry]

just go do a 2 target boss

youll understand

[cinder relic]

about to fight nexus king

[hardy vault]

I am not gonna do mythic raid in prepatch

Well actually maybe I will look for a pug tmrw

Getting keys going was already a nightmare today tho

Only managed to do 5 because nobody applied to my key and people declined a lot (idk how both can happen tbf)

[keen belfry]

no one is playing

[hardy vault]

Game’s dead ggs

Prepatch with 0 hype

Back to league

Being hardstuck in iron (not a joke, I’m at 44% wr pls help me)

[limpid isle]

lemme know fellars, did I cook? overcook? undercook? just right?

[keen belfry]

unius

ur a legit iron player?

respect

[hardy vault]

[covert kestrel]

uwu ui gone but never forgotten

[gaunt phoenix]

Why does Opp need to be a cooldown to get alerts

and opp buff doesnt get em

[hardy vault]

https://u.gg/lol/profile/euw1/uniusqt-161/overview

[shell fossil]

i asked really nicely if the tweakscd guy can work on reskinning the buff tracking bars and they said it's in the cards

excite lol

[low glade]

is darkmoon card radiance good or something?

seeing people use it

[keen belfry]

respect

[pure folio]

Wait can we track combo points in cooldown manager?

[keen belfry]

need addon

[limpid isle]

im just using bettercdm

[formal thunder]

Guys, I figured it out, the tank rogue spec that was in that survey is coming in Midnight and it's gonna be outlaw

that's why tank damage

[cinder relic]

download sensei

[formal thunder]

cause we gonna be tanks

trust

my uncle told me

[pure folio]

ah ty

[hardy vault]

I only started playing league like 2 months ago properly. Found a champ now and happy with it, but climbing up I have my issues still cause I can’t full carry every game.

But this is outlaw chat before I get scolded, enough league back to dooming

[pure folio]

graves is a pretty hard champ for a low elo to climb with ngl

[cobalt mist]

climbing's a waste of time anyways

play the game to have fun and enjoy your own process of mastery

[pure folio]

this is true

some people have different values though, he could find more fun winning and climbing than playing the champ he prefers

[hardy vault]

That’s what I’m focusing on rn. Learning a bit of macro here and there, decisionmaking, getting to play the champ well etc.

[cobalt mist]

never buy into league's culture enough to think your rank means literally anything or anything will get better at higher elo

[shell fossil]

attack move bind ye

[cobalt mist]

oh yeah i mean

i dont say this to say "don't bother getting good at the game because you should just play 4fun"

i just mean that the game's ranking system isn't actually really reflective of anything concrete and that you sort of have to learn to evaluate yourself internally rather than by that external metric

and if you think that being at higher elo will get you better games; trust me it does not

[shell fossil]

win most of your normals, pick a new champ, decide if you wanna climb

[pure folio]

This one?

[cinder relic]

ya

its v good

Its connected right to cdm

[pure folio]

Oh sweet

Yea combo points not showing in cdm was my biggest issue with it

feels like such an oversight

[shell fossil]

blizz put them in personal resource manager which kinda makes sense

[cobalt mist]

im gonna mix the luxthos combo point colors

[hardy vault]

I’m so happy I could just wake up this morning, see a notif in my ui creator’s discord and import their stuff.

[cobalt mist]

miss*

[pure folio]

Also, is there any way to show total damage + dps on the in game meters? @cinder relic

[cobalt mist]

the color change was a real nice shorthand for knowing when your combo points were full

[hardy vault]

Details works and does that

On Blizz’ own meters I don’t think it works rn, but will come at a later point

[cinder relic]

I havent fucked with the in game damage meters

and details was tweaking for me earlier so idk

[hardy vault]

I did like a clean install of wow basically by deleting interface and wtf folder completely

Before rebuilding it this morning

[pastel sierra]

Details starts tweaking if u dont clear thr dmg logs often enough

Idk why

[hardy vault]

Too much data for old game to handle

[shell fossil]

secret

[copper radish]

Bout to cop the recount reskin for blizz dmg meters

[pastel sierra]

Nah something about the number old character names frok the combat segment 20mins ago being secret values

[cobalt mist]

still so funny they dont work with aug

thats like the One thing blizz could do better than details

[hardy vault]

trueeee

[wintry solar]

Anything to inconvenience Aug though

[smoky lotus]

aug could be amazing but noone would play it if details doesnt say it is

[brave lagoon]

holy fuck I hate everything about what they've done with outlaw

[cinder relic]

gg...

[real mauve]

those changes work out to be a net nurf? ong

[covert kestrel]

aoe yurr

[brave lagoon]

I'm still reflex pressing vanish and expecting bte to happen

[real mauve]

why blizzard why

[unborn basin]

😢

[real mauve]

why have you forsaken us

[cinder relic]

Seems they wanted to nerf passive cleave across the board

caustic got gutted too

[real mauve]

Looks like we have to shut the discord down

in protest

[cinder relic]

working on getting that setup

[lime lake]

reminder psychic link got buffed to 45% last beta patch

[cinder relic]

[lime lake]

its joever

probably

idk

[copper radish]

Soooo uncapped when

[flint pivot]

It seems they don't work on buffs regardless. Tried it on the feint buff and it just didn't do anything, sound alerts that is

[gaunt phoenix]

Rip

[pure folio]

do we utilize deft the same way we did last season, where 1-3cps and 4+ targets? or do i still press blade flurry if im at 5cps

[craggy quiver]

What da shet they do to bf

[cinder relic]

wdym

[sullen walrus]

@cinder relic these patch changes are on live or only on beta ?

[cinder relic]

beta

[rapid spoke]

How do you guys set it to see and track your buffs now

I'm clueless with this default shit

[sullen walrus]

do we have a chance that bf damage will be buff or we’re unplayable spec to the end of midnight ?

[radiant root]

so FB is still bugged on retail?

[pastel sierra]

I only track loaded dice and RtB

[flint pivot]

Do you mean rtb? When it's the purple buff you want to re-roll basically

You can fish for higher with loaded and having the 2nd stage buff

[pastel sierra]

Bte rn as well but thats literally non information

Should just take that out

[rapid spoke]

Ye but some people have it near middle of the screen with the timer left and I can't find that option to setup xD

holy this is bad

[pastel sierra]

.. do you mean they have it vertical

Just put a screenshot so we know what you mean lmao

[flint pivot]

That might be an addon. the default cooldown manager can track the cd of the ability, and the duration of the buff separately. You can also make it a bar instead of a buff

[keen belfry]

without revertting the nerf or changing how we do dmg, its kinda impossible to tune our spec with 25% BF dmg

unless im wrong, but the math/design doesnt really make that seem like a thing

we'd have to be literal ST gods to do AOE (without changing how we do aoe)

[rapid spoke]

trying to replicate what I had before liek this

[flint pivot]

Just put it in the buffs then, it's just 1 buff now

You can edit it to be multiple rows if needed

[keen belfry]

granted a lot of passive cleave was tuned across the board, but reminder most specs dont only do passive cleave like us

[polar kelp]

is the 7cp max talent worth it anymore as fatebound? i feel like we are smashing dispatch at 5cp so often we rarely even get 6 or 7 cp...just for the bte

[keen belfry]

it reads weird, its also just finisher dmg

tooltip sucks wabster

[polar kelp]

oh.

atleast its not as bad as our "aoe" but not aoe blind which is gonna get nerfed anyday lol

[pastel sierra]

You take it to not overcap on fan the hammer too

[rapid spoke]

so it's not possible to track roll outcomes rn

[polar kelp]

whatcha mean?

[rapid spoke]

either way I guess it doesn't make big difference

[flint pivot]

It is, put roll the bones on the buff bar

[polar kelp]

even the default ui can track them fine

[flint pivot]

You want to track it

[pastel sierra]

You just look at the icon

[rapid spoke]

I will get back to it because server was shut down

[pastel sierra]

1 dice bad, 2 dice or more good

[polar kelp]

basically if you see purple, you roll. if you see red or yellow...you KiR. i think we probably dont want to kir at 2...but not sure

[rapid spoke]

I'm stoopid I liked it better with addons ya know

[flint pivot]

Ah once you get used to it, it's easy

[rapid spoke]

Just hate toying with setups

especially default ones

[pastel sierra]

I only needed like 3hrs to finish mine

[flint pivot]

I really dislike that I can't combine the ability cd and buff tracking into a single icon, same with BF

[willow parrot]

For now I just ripped luxthos' and its worked alright so far

[pastel sierra]

For BF its automatically like that, same for AR

Only RtB doesnt work like that

[polar kelp]

i have BF and AR on the bar tracker, and RTB on the buff tracker to seperate them... works for me anyway

[pastel sierra]

I dont track BF cause anytime you wanna have it up you should press it on CD anyways

[flint pivot]

I want to know if it's still up and the cd for deft

[brave lagoon]

I keep forgetting to press bf

[pastel sierra]

You dont need to know if its up, it should be up and you should press it as soon as its up

[pastel sierra]

I put a swish sound when it comes off CD

[polar kelp]

hmmm, let me think on that but thats kind of a good point

[fossil lintel]

damn, they brought BF all the way down to 25%?

[pastel sierra]

The sound when its off cd is base UI too, just gotta find a sound you hear without getting your ears blown out

You gotta right click in cd window for it, not buffs

Kinda weird

[shrewd charm]

they nerfed aoe across the board

[fossil lintel]

across the board for everyone or across the board for rogues?

[flint pivot]

I guess, I kind of want to know if it'll be up my whole killing spree though

[shrewd charm]

everyone

they been nerfing

[pastel sierra]

Look at BF cooldown

[fossil lintel]

Oh I haven't been keeping track

when is pre patch?

[pastel sierra]

Right now

[shrewd charm]

yesterday

[fossil lintel]

oh

that explains why the midnight stuff is gone

[flint pivot]

Yeah but if it's up, BF is off cd and I'm at max cp I want to know if I can press KS first. I guess it's an edge case

[pastel sierra]

Dispatch/BtE>BF>KS

Is what id do

[rapid spoke]

and we can throw away ambush right?

like before lol

[pastel sierra]

Just have it on stealth bar yeah

[pearl topaz]

to the comment about tuning when BF is a 25% ... yep, it makes it pretty jank

[flint pivot]

I think the intent was to buff ST damage though, no?

[shrewd charm]

the intent was to nerf aoe in general not just rogue

[pearl topaz]

I meant sorry, trying to tune when you have an ability like that & all the other moving parts.

[rapid spoke]

by the way was the bf bug fixed, that it wasn't hitting any other targets when main one died too quickly? Or is it still existing

speaking mainly about doing legacy content

[flint pivot]

Yeah true, the other buffs don't make up for it at all, had to re-read it

[lime lake]

that was the fix to a different bug

it likely wont be going anywhere

[rapid spoke]

not until we get actual rogue developer I guess

[pastel sierra]

I did dragonsoul today on live, def still therw

[flint pivot]

That's been a thing for as long as I remember tbh

[rapid spoke]

it was like during mid tww or smth

[lime lake]

yeah your memory is not very long

[flint pivot]

Really? I swear that was a thing in shadowlands too

[rapid spoke]

nope

[pastel sierra]

I mean can just swap assa and press FoK to clear everything

[flint pivot]

You're not confusing it with the bug that made it hit dead corpses right?

[lime lake]

this is how they fixed that bug

so it didnt exist before then

[pastel sierra]

Scaling is giga broken, i did 100mil autos in cata content

[flint pivot]

Ah right

I'm misremembering then

[lime lake]

im mad they fixed the scaling for midnight raids

one shotting everything in nerubar

i was gonna get the transmogs i missed

[pastel sierra]

Nerubar and undermina had some insane mogs that i kinda need to catch up on

Not that ill ever use em

Now that i can dual wield fish on every spec

[cinder relic]

If the spec is bad it probs gets buffed

[lime lake]

real

fish op

[flint pivot]

Can finally get 100% uptime out of fish mog

[pastel sierra]

Self farmed them with the fishing thing in tww

Island expeditions wouldve been easier i think

[rapid spoke]

pshh outlaw was ditched in tww

[flint pivot]

Yeah I have the bfa ones

[shrewd charm]

[rapid spoke]

at least there's always subtlety

[pastel sierra]

Maybe Ill go back to island spam again, theres a lot of money if you're lucky

[cinder relic]

It wasn't that bad most of TWW

It was just this tier that was exceptionally bad

This tier is legit the worst the spec has ever been

[pastel sierra]

Sub feels so empty and weird

[cinder relic]

Like in the history of the game

[flint pivot]

Was a very sad raid tier for sure

[shrewd charm]

bro that zac clip

[cinder relic]

bad design bad tuning bad raid encounters = lol

triple threat really

[pastel sierra]

50% SD uptime, both short CDs not lining up with shadow dance

[flint pivot]

Even on the "pad" bosses it was just mid

[runic gulch]

S2 actually felt great at the beginning with the coup bug

[shrewd charm]

https://youtu.be/e4g20ogqKww?si=kiumreeO_pTAKlsZ&t=166

how was this allowed bro

he rerolled to s1 dmg

[pastel sierra]

Ay least its not a druid amiright

[runic gulch]

Probably the best it had in a while apart from the BF dead target bug

And killing spree murdering you

[flint pivot]

Man I miss trolling with frontals and KS

[cinder relic]

After the BF bug fix as well

Wasn't the spec like, good?

[flint pivot]

Don't forget skeleton boy trinket

[cinder relic]

Well becausde the "pad bosses" this tier aren't outlaw pad

they are sub pad

Or any burst DPS spec

[flint pivot]

Yeah exactly

[runic gulch]

I mean i would defo say S2 was the best it felt for the entirety of TWW, yeah

[pastel sierra]

Old KS was so fun for the first 2 dungeons every day

[cinder relic]

Like this raid is exceptionally bad for outlaw, outlaw is tuned exceptionally low, and its design is exceptionally shit for just like, general use (even if you found it fun)

[runic gulch]

It’s just the coup bug hotfix, bf/grand melee bugs and KS soured it a bit

[pastel sierra]

After that it was horrible

[cinder relic]

Yeah old KS was bad

The point I'm making is idk if outlaw was that bad in TWW, if you could stomach KS anyway

and were obviously into the whole UHUH crackshot stuff

I wasn't which is why I hated the spec but we are allowed to like different things yk

[pastel sierra]

The thing is

It got made so much worse with hero talents

S1 you had to greed combat to not drop the coin

S2 you had to play motion sickness simulator

In m+ at least

[runic gulch]

I guess my issue with crackshot outlaw has always been the fact it’s needed a 4 set to carry RtB to flow like it should

[cinder relic]

I just hated the entire gameplay lol

[pastel sierra]

Crackshot without vanish but with current RtB could be sick

[runic gulch]

Like I dont think it’s a coincidence that the two best feeling seasons of crackshot outlaw both had 4 sets that really helped out RtB

[flint pivot]

I liked UHUH/crackshot, I just got unreasonably angry every time I had to drop stealth for any reason. To that regard it really feels like a relief now

[pastel sierra]

Or at least give us more BtE resets that give enough CP to use it again immediately

[cinder relic]

yeah for sure. resource tier sets are lit

[shrewd charm]

and do u like it now?

[cinder relic]

Yeah, a lot

[rapid spoke]

I remember using old ks on floodgate with swampface fight, it was possible to bait his frontal somewhere else from the team lol

[flint pivot]

And dropping AR before felt awful as well

[shrewd charm]

i think its peak except having to build after getting an ace

that feels ass but yeah

[runic gulch]

And the thing that annoys me is that all it needed was a few tweaks perhaps to CtO to prevent the dependence on a 4 set like that, but instead they’ve just given up on it entirely and brought it back to bare bones when it was so frustratingly close to perfection

Contingent on number tuning as well obvs

[flint pivot]

I'm kind of glad I don't need to worry about stealth bug nr 9000 anymore though

[cinder relic]

See that doesn't bother me that much

but I get it

[vapid blaze]

zac gonna be happy when he wakes up xD

[cinder relic]

He already had a metldown dw

[pastel sierra]

My problem with outlaw at a certain point was that it felt great to play but the dmg was shit full time

[burnt dragon]

also nothing for when the next unseen blade is gonna be ready?

[pastel sierra]

Like Im playing my ass off, getting good rolls and im barely beating tank

[polar kelp]

really? ive been gapping all the dps in keys and in raid yesterday and tonight

[cinder relic]

Like I said, I just hated the whole like, infinite feedback loop of nonstop, constant resources

Just felt like sugar

[vapid blaze]

but wtf are these changes
like we saw how nerfing bf did in tww s3

[cinder relic]

he means old outlaw

[shrewd charm]

pretty sure hes talking about s3

[polar kelp]

oh

[cinder relic]

The spec got buffed with the changes

[vapid blaze]

nah but that is so cope
We went over this in s3 beta

[flint pivot]

yeah s3 was kinda shit. m+ didn't feel too awful, but raid... man...

[runic gulch]

S3 yeah, but S2 I don’t think damage was too much of a problem unless you ran into obvious instances of the BF bug

[pastel sierra]

Yeah all through TWW, havent done any serious dungeons on prepatch

[cinder relic]

What is cope? The spec got buffed

[flint pivot]

S1 and S2 were fine tbh, dmg wise

[pastel sierra]

Raid yeah, m+ i mightve been skill issued

[vapid blaze]

but u alrdy dont do any aoe on live
how is nerfing bf going to change that?

they need to overtune your st by 20% compared to everybody else or what

[runic gulch]

Yeah S2 you’d gap a lot of people on overall by the end of the dungeon

[cinder relic]

Again, you are aware the spec got BUFFED right

[pastel sierra]

Or every time i looked i was REALLY unlucky with lucky coin

[vapid blaze]

idk i said this in beta for s3
and it ended up beeing exactly like i said

[runic gulch]

You were playing FB in keys?

[vapid blaze]

its a buff vs the shitty state before
but if they keep nerfing bf, even if its a net +in aoe
how hard do they have to overtune your st now?

[cinder relic]

They nerfed a lot of passive cleave in this patch

Caustic, and WW stuff

[pastel sierra]

S1 everyone did

Until they buffed it

[vapid blaze]

half the specs do passive cleave nowdays

[rapid spoke]

outlaw so bad they're bringing everything to par with it lel

[runic gulch]

Oh thought you were talking about s2/3

[vapid blaze]

shadow, warrior, dks, warlocks

[cinder relic]

Thats why they are nerfing it

[vapid blaze]

none of that got nerfed tho

[cinder relic]

Idk man

The changes are terrible

Just reroll

[pastel sierra]

S2 i was doing better but i found out i can do 30% more dmg on assa with like half the effort

[cinder relic]

Idk what u want me to say

[flint pivot]

So technically we have more prio damage? 🧐

[cinder relic]

Genuinely

[fathom bramble]

the changes don't really make sense by themselves

[shrewd charm]

yh alot more

[fathom bramble]

they will likely get walked back or there are more massive nerfs to everyone elses aoe coming

[unborn basin]

I'm gonna stick with it for awhile .. in the hopes we'll get some buffs

[vapid blaze]

yeah that is a cope i can believe in

[flint pivot]

imagine if they would just gut passive cleave on the target capped spec

[fathom bramble]

it's not even really worth discussing or thinking about

they walk it back and can maybe do M+ well

if they don't we are a raid spec

what can you do

[flint pivot]

Yeah it's whatever

[pastel sierra]

Some ppl just wanna doom idk, every balance patch is the final one before release and the spec is now unplayable even tho there's like a month of tuning to go

Every spec channel i tab into sounds like that

[flint pivot]

I'm more annoyed at the state of that cooldown manager than anything else

I know it'll get fixed, but holy hell it's like prepatch is the actual beta

[rapid spoke]

bet all the time they spent since announcing addon purge went into the store

[pastel sierra]

Non centered everything, no extra bars creatable, nameplates dancing all over the screen, no filterable buffs or debuffs, dmg meter sucks...
Theres so much that couldve been done, seemingly very easy fixes too

[flint pivot]

No trinkets, like that should be a basic requirement

[copper radish]

Sooo uncapped when

[flint pivot]

Soon

™

[copper radish]

Next notes it’s gonna be “flurry is now 15%” 💀

[shrewd charm]

flurry 10% but uncapped

[flint pivot]

Back to vanilla BF

[copper radish]

15 and uncapped. Sold

[shrewd charm]

someone foward it to the devs

[pastel sierra]

Id be fine with smart targeting tbh

Highest max hp mobs first

[copper radish]

As long as dead targets are outta the picture

[pastel sierra]

Better targeting for KS too

[pastel sierra]

Its part of the ability to have the tank move away fron corpses

[gaunt phoenix]

Beta tuning Jan 21st

- All damage increased by 15%.
- Blade Flurry causes your abilities to strike nearby enemies for 25% of damage dealt (was 35%)
- Menacing Rush's damage bonus increased to 20% (was 15%).
- Heightened Rush increases Adrenaline Rush’s duration by 4 seconds (was 3 seconds).
- Fixed an issue that caused Ravenholdt Mint’s benefit to not be applied or even reduce overall damage.
- Fate Intertwined’s increase to the percentage of damage caused by Blade Flurry reduced to 6% (was 8%).

Bugs fixed (ONLY ON BETA)

• All three of our major bugs ( Ravenholdt Mint, Auto-attacks, and Cold Blood) are fixed on beta, awesome.
• The fixed Ravenholdt Mint is not as strong as I thought it was, I mistakenly thought it would increase the Heads value per-stack instead of the initial bonus.
• It still seems Fatebound is decently ahead of Trickster on beta, even in AoE -- recommended builds aren't changing yet.

Talent tuning

Menacing Rush / Heightened Rush are both buffed:

• Menacing Rush still looks like the general winner.
• Fatebound AoE still gets to basically choose between KIR and Rush for consistency vs cooldown amp, they should still be similar overall.
• Trickster AoE would maybe remove Dispatched to take it, which you can but that kinda makes Trickster's energy situation even worse on beta. Heightened Rush is not too far behind since it is an energy talent.

Blade Flurry nerfed (and Fate Intertwined)

You've probably seen some strong opinions on this. They are buffing single target without changing AoE much, even AoE is a net positive compared to yesterday. But there is this principle that our cleave damage from ST is now the lowest it's been in years (39% as Fatebound or 42.9% as Trickster with GM), and this has some people concerned that our ST needs to be exceptional to keep up in AoE. Outlaw has been okay at this level of cleave before (see BFA/SL), but we did just end TWW with not the greatest tuning even though we could bump BF damage to nearly 100% at times. Will it work out, probably, is there some rightful concern, I think so.

[pastel sierra]

New outlaw only affix

[vapid blaze]

what was bf in s3 df? 45?

[copper radish]

Member when flurry was 50% 😭

[rapid spoke]

the affix is when tank suddenly pull more than 5-8 mobs?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, then it was boosted by GM and precise cuts

[flint pivot]

Glad that auto attack and cold blood bug is fixed

[vapid blaze]

we didnt play pc back then so was just gm

[novel zodiac]

ww was drowning unpickable in m+ for 2 expacs it did NOT need a cleave nerf lol

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, pc was on and off throughout df/tww

[lime plank]

Anyone not able to upgrade gear??

[gaunt phoenix]

i was able yesterday

[flint pivot]

Same

[vapid blaze]

was only in s1 till it got turbo nerfed cause kurog xD
idk that was a good outlaw season tho (s3) so maybe we get that 😄

[vapid sundial]

"Fuck you guys, you arent happy with anything so we removed bladeflurry, now, you can only attack to 1 additional target with your offhand weapon"

[daring yoke]

Anyone knows when 12.0.1 is?

[vapid sundial]

anyone know when 13.0 is?

[gaunt phoenix]

it already happened, beta only

[vapid sundial]

fuk

[copper radish]

That or flurry back to 2min CD no CDR and only 1 additional target

[vapid sundial]

but the attack speed buff!

[copper radish]

It’ll make us do more autos

[keen belfry]

solo whatre your thoughts ont he ST tuning requirement for our AOE dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean, it's always been this way

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw was "good" in expansions where it did 40% cleave damage, it was all down to tuning of itself and other specs

[keen belfry]

yeah, but there is a number that exists where we have to be gods in ST to do aoe, and i feel we are approachig too close

yeah

[hasty warren]

how is prepatch for us so far ? (can't play rn)

[keen belfry]

i didnt play outlaw prior to DFm, did we have other sources or was it just BF still for aoe

[gaunt phoenix]

All of BFA and SL was just raw bf

[hasty warren]

no more midnight channels ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[keen belfry]

did pc exist in slands and bfa

[gaunt phoenix]

Naw

[cinder relic]

BFA had wits, but SL had nothi ng

Bonespike technically, but it was kinda but

[gaunt phoenix]

Well wits didnt modify bf dmg itself

[cinder relic]

Yeah

[lime lake]

cannonball barrage

[mossy compass]

Noticed something really messed up, Cursed ring enchants are super nerfed, or incorrectly scaled. Confirmed this tooltip is accurate.

[copper radish]

I’d do laps if they brought that back

[cinder relic]

Oh wtf

I was using cursed vers

[copper radish]

But it would need a sick new animation

[gaunt phoenix]

Noob ?

[cinder relic]

Dude

The first 3 bosses

I'm not joking

I got jackpot in the opener

Jackpot full boss duration

[mossy compass]

Reg ones are fine, tooltip is accurate

[gaunt phoenix]

Did you prep

double AR in lust is kinda banger

[cinder relic]

Nah trickster gaming

I have like 32% haste

[gaunt phoenix]

oh...

i forgor

[cinder relic]

Energy felt literally fine

But also like, bosses die in 1 minute

[gaunt phoenix]

No yeah energy is fine at enough haste

sometimes you get caught with 1 buff and no tea

[cinder relic]

Fr

1 buff is evil

But the overall vibes of the rotation I was fingwith

I was just hitting dummies for like an hour earlier

Getting used to the cooldown manager n shit

[gaunt phoenix]

i wanna recraft my shit but it down

[cinder relic]

I recrafted before prepatch

But I overestimated how much haste I needed

manager + sensei feels solid overall. Just need an actual tool for tracking poisons

Gonna be constantly refreshing at like 30 minutes just to never ever forget lol

[hasty warren]

sensei is new addon ?

[cinder relic]

It adds resource bars to cooldown manager

So Combo points, energy

[hasty warren]

looks nice yep

[keen belfry]

somnius

and awang

[proven ocean]

#somniusdidnothingnotwrong

[hasty warren]

yo zero

[cinder relic]

Looks nice

https://tenor.com/view/american-psycho-американскийпсихопат-кристианбейл-american-psychopath-christian-bale-gif-17867735

[proven ocean]

Sup

[cinder relic]

he flew too close to the sun

[keen belfry]

the layout is good the icons are so ugly

[proven ocean]

I typed it the opposite way

Means he did everything wrong

[keen belfry]

zerosss his last message had @ awang in it

thats why he got banned

[proven ocean]

Like i dont mean to be negative nancy but

All of the UI’s ive seen so far are so similar and ass

[frail veldt]

Can you start a timer with a macro? Lol

[keen belfry]

there isnt much u can really do

[proven ocean]

Yea idk

Game is still in alpha

[lime lake]

maybe in a few years we'll have some type of robust tool to let us customize our ui to our preference

something like that would be pretty neat

[frail veldt]

Yeah blizz knows what they're doing

By launch their damage meter will have everything details had

And they'll add all the features you need to cdm

[proven ocean]

Unless their meters got improvements over the last month its not the same as details at all

Lmao

Ur just glazing off something that isn’t doing what ur saying it does

[cinder relic]

Hes just going to sarcastically talk about everything for until the last titan

[muted chasm]

are we rolling over 2 roll?

[cinder relic]

Nope keep 2

[muted chasm]

would that change if i had loaded dice tho?

[cinder relic]

nop

[muted chasm]

loaded dice is just +1 to ur roll now right? or is that not how it works

[cinder relic]

Yeah

[thorn parrot]

Fellas after doing a few mythics, I gotta say. I really miss our 800 apm crackshot spec

[cinder relic]

[pearl topaz]

i care more about whether raid bosses will be actually possible to be outlaw on now

without dragging everything down

they just could not tune it the way it was

[thorn parrot]

Would be nice if they doubled down on fate bound being ST

[cinder relic]

It is

(and also aoe)

Its just bugged for prepatch

Already fixed for midnight

Idt theres any bugs left for otl

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel W ragebait

[cinder relic]

Its true

They fixed cold blood, and mint lowering AA damage

Idk what bugs r left

OTher than like, prep not on CDM, and then BR not having a lowered GCD which is dumb but mostly inconsiquential

[proven ocean]

[cinder relic]

@gaunt phoenix are there any other bugs left?

[thorn parrot]

He has spoken

[frail veldt]

That we know of

Lol

It took us ages to discover bladeflurry hitting corpses

[cinder relic]

This isn't schrodingers bug

[thorn parrot]

Unless…

[frail veldt]

I'm just not sure I would bet my life on those being "all" of outlaws bugs

[cinder relic]

sure then lol

"There are no bugs left that we know of"

is that better

[lime lake]

i'd bet your life on it

[frail veldt]

Yes

[hasty warren]

u mean features

[frail veldt]

Gameplay enhancers

[snow stratus]

!Fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert kestrel]

me_irl

[frail veldt]

AYO

I'm gonna set mine up soon

[covert kestrel]

hot hand totemic kinda scratches that crackshot itch

[frail veldt]

Yeeeee

[keen belfry]

somnius is so bad

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt bro my professor is batman

[lime lake]

[frail veldt]

LOL bro wtf

[covert kestrel]

Don't disrespect my goat like that

[quaint mauve]

typa professor you end up when ur 5 minutes late to registration

[low glade]

https://tenor.com/view/freaky-ai-kanye-late-registration-aldi-gif-2752143497110474111

[keen belfry]

we fucked

[covert kestrel]

What I'd give to see pictures of that

[bronze wadi]

this is the top log for mythic fractilus. Surley 26% of our total damage cant just be autoattacks

[lime lake]

play fatebound for a while and it wont be

[daring yoke]

how do you guys feel in m+ with BF not 100%?

[rapid spoke]

haven't felt anything good since cap introduction in sl

[frail veldt]

was bladeflurry uncapped in BFA?

I feel like people have told me both

[rapid spoke]

everything was

[frail veldt]

I thought last time it was uncapped was legion

[rapid spoke]

bfa was when outlaw shined

[frail veldt]

it was just op

[rapid spoke]

and the last time it did xD

[lime lake]

ye they added all the hard cap stuff in shadowlands because they didnt like people pulling the entire dungeon in bfa

so then we did triple shard pull anyway

[cinder relic]

Not everything

[lime lake]

everything had the 20 soft cap but idr if specific spells were lower

but i dont think many were if any

[cinder relic]

Corrext

Whirlwind, sweeping strikes, and trickshot were hard capped like bf is now

[lime lake]

trick shots wasnt hard capped until shadowlands

idk the other two

actually i mightve just lied

[cinder relic]

Yeah

[lime lake]

i didnt think it was but apparently im misremembering

[cinder relic]

Blade flurry was the exception really

[fallen thorn]

Out of curiousity, at what point of secondary stat values would Harlans Loaded Dice be overpowered for prepatch insanity? (Testing +0 ilvl56 since TW doesn't scale gear yet, but technically once can you could get higher ilvl) it procs all 3 secondary stats as +20-+29, and can stack the same stats multiple times etc.), assuming the effect scales with ilvl, TW gear once fixed should be ilvl 100ish. (If adventurer 105 4/8 adventurer, but forgot if TW gives adventurer) - Was getting 70-90 of each stat (Crit haste & mast) before they dropped and then reprocs back to 20-30 range

[fathom bramble]

it's more extreme now than it will be in midnight since we have a lot of haste+lust for half of that kill time

autoattacks scale very fast with haste thanks to snd talent

[gaunt phoenix]

at similar ilvl to other trinkets it shouldnt be overpowered, would be similar to other stat trinkets like soleah

[gaunt phoenix]

It does seem like the crit trinkets are better than damage trinkets now

[bright crane]

u guys got any recommendations for a kick tracker?

[frail veldt]

Can those even be made now

[lime lake]

[craggy kelp]

[wicked obsidian]

you can't even identify the name of any unit in combat... so i guess chat or voice chat by asking is the only tracker

[bright crane]

u serious?

jfc

[fathom bramble]

might have to do it the old way

/say I kicked```

you could actually make a sepperate channel just for kick macros that has no other chat in it with timestamps on so you could check who has their kick up 🤔

[bright crane]

damn thats a bummer

[silk stirrup]

Wasn't this fixed?

[rapid spoke]

we are walking so slow in stealth

[lime lake]

on beta, not prepatch

[silk stirrup]

Ah, well, but who cares about prepatch, there's no content

The good thing is that it's fixed in general

[quaint mauve]

DUDE WHERE R THE BUTTONS

[white wolf]

edit mode -> clic on bar -> show buttons or whatever

you'll get empty buttons but you'll get buttons

for more fun with the spec make every button a #showtooltip /castrandom macro so it gets a bit spicy

[quaint mauve]

nah like how is this all that the new spec has

[chilly atlas]

prepatch content is ui tinkering

it's pretty bad content

[quaint mauve]

im letting other people do all that

and ill just copy theirs

cough cough wink wink @vivid vessel