need for haste cap
#outlaw
fathom bramble
formal knot
copper radish
That would be hilarious if we are slightly off the haste cap and have to do that
tired marlin
stupid question. do we even use vanish any more
fathom bramble
no
tired marlin
thought so
empty patrol
Mog isnt bad but why would u mog a gnome,too smol to see whats happening
tired marlin
kk thanks
fathom bramble
That would be hilarious if we are slightly off the haste cap and have to do that
can also be goblin if you prefer to be horde lol
stuff like belf will still be good though
so you don't need to be short and ugly
elder phoenix
https://i.imgur.com/X4VVh41.jpeg look at this beautiful setup. no addons or nothin just pure aura
copper radish
can also be goblin if you prefer to be horde lol
Was probably gonna do human since I pvp a lot too and they got the extra secondary %s
past falcon
i miss mafic
vivid vessel
you got him right here bud
glass mortar
Wait
fathom bramble
Was probably gonna do human since I pvp a lot too and they got the extra seconda...
that one tends to not be that great early into an expac iirc
fathom bramble
but I don't have numbers on hand so
past falcon
this is temu mafic
fathom bramble
we will see
glass mortar
Holy fuk I love midnight now
copper radish
Worgen racial glowup???????
Built in ground mount too
covert kestrel
https://i.imgur.com/X4VVh41.jpeg look at this beautiful setup. no addons or noth...
Good thing you're tracking shuriken storm
fathom bramble
no energy bar ?
vivid vessel
guys
vivid vessel
he plays with the one button rotation
elder phoenix
Good thing you're tracking shuriken storm
i havent edited it yet
vivid vessel
he just setupped this cdm thing to shitpost
elder phoenix
literally just logged in to set up my sub profile
copper radish
literally just logged in to set up my sub profile
Did u even play rogue in TWW
vivid vessel
thats moot whole ui
indigo token
https://i.imgur.com/X4VVh41.jpeg look at this beautiful setup. no addons or noth...
this gave me gout
vivid vessel
Did u even play rogue in TWW
he is a hunter player
rugged parcel
Quick stupid question, is there a reason to, or not to have a dagger in your offhand?
shy meteor
~1% better or smth is a dagger
rugged parcel
do you know the reason? just auto dps or some weird reason?
vivid vessel
also now there is another thing that isnt normalized
glass mortar
And the funny talent
gaunt phoenix
the new Zero In talent favors dagger
vivid vessel
upper hawk
anyone playing outlaw rogue is not normalized
vivid vessel
so we are pretty much locked into daggers off hand now
haughty wigeon
i hate the ui
i cant figure this out for shit
i have to downloard 18728172178 more addons
and its all bugging to shit
cinder relic
We gettin there
vivid vessel
had to nuke ecerything
cinder relic
ty
vivid vessel
np
shy meteor
ArcUi is pretty decent a bit complicated to manage but better than blizzard
help primilary with cdm
vivid vessel
pretty much anything is better than blizzard
shy meteor
true.
gaunt phoenix
2 dagger
elder phoenix
We gettin there
why is it to the left
gaunt phoenix
his ui has always done that
cinder relic
cuz thats how ive played for 10+ years
copper radish
But no dispatch 😭
mighty pivot
top left ui 
shy meteor
outlaw = range spec
gaunt phoenix
dispatch stinky
cinder relic
Honestly pretty content with my UI now
gaunt phoenix
what are you using for nameplates?
copper radish
We gettin there
Looks like a weak aura I used to have but I can’t put my name on it….
gaunt phoenix
blizz nameplates i can barely tell who i am targeting
copper radish
blizz nameplates i can barely tell who i am targeting
Platynator feeling better than betterblizz plates so far
normal forge
no hotfixes for those bug of ours, bug housing and transmog yes?
mighty pivot
more people use housing/tmog
copper radish
no hotfixes for those bug of ours, bug housing and transmog yes?
Rogues are 3rd class citizens 😭
cinder relic
you know you can just keep using plater
Really? Plater still works?
rough plume
It does
rough plume
some mods don't but overall it does
elder phoenix
blizz nameplates i can barely tell who i am targeting
yeah low key blizz nameplates are asscheeks
cinder relic
why would it not
Idk what the addon purge did and didn't do
vivid vessel
well
its just weak aura really
and then specific part of things
most big addons should just stay
just updtaed
copper radish
Idk what the addon purge did and didn't do
It deleted half my pvp addons lol
vivid vessel
and reduced in fonctionnallity
unless an addon entire functionality is one of the thing tht was deleted
like omnicd
elder phoenix
https://i.imgur.com/0MF3X5N.jpeg downloaded arcui, you can move your icons around with arcui ngl tempted to stick with this
but ima stay with the minimal addons to no addons route YOLO
left jay
Anybody else who has experimented with Midnight build classes not liking how Outlaw looks and planning to switch to another class? Interested in seeing what specs other Outlaw mains are liking ✌️😼
elder phoenix
Anybody else who has experimented with Midnight build classes not liking how Out...
well assasination is dog shit
and sub is very good
cinder relic
Anybody else who has experimented with Midnight build classes not liking how Out...
I hated TWW outlaw and and I like this version
frail veldt
https://i.imgur.com/0MF3X5N.jpeg downloaded arcui, you can move your icons aroun...
just the beginning
frail veldt
Anybody else who has experimented with Midnight build classes not liking how Out...
enhancement is pretty cool
very fast paced still
elder phoenix
Anybody else who has experimented with Midnight build classes not liking how Out...
Go sub. Its practically the best rogue spec rn interms of smoothness in rotation and just numbers
lime lake
paladin main smh
left jay
Go sub. Its practically the best rogue spec rn interms of smoothness in rotation...
I couldn't care less for numbers just how fun specs are I'll give it a shot tho
elder phoenix
well sub is pretty fun rn too.
frail veldt
Ah I thought you switched off rogue to ret for most of tww
wintry solar
I'd probably quit the game if they brought back uhuh
cinder relic
Ah I thought you switched off rogue to ret for most of tww
What
mighty pivot
I'd probably quit the game if they brought back uhuh
promise?
elder phoenix
but other classes ummm affliction warlocks are pretty fun bm hunters fun too
left jay
unless they bring back crackshot
crackshot is what I enjoyed most about outlaw recently :(
frail veldt
I'd probably quit the game if they brought back uhuh
I said crackshot not uhuh
copper radish
I promise that'd I'd probably quit
Probably
wintry solar
I know I'm just saying
frail veldt
I think uhuh was problematic but crackshot was extremely fun
wintry solar
Crackshot was good yeah
cinder relic
Bro I have only ever played rogue in progression
This is why these memes are so stupid
I played ret paladin as an alt, because ur required to play 2 characters
ancient cobalt
i only play rogue too ❤️
cinder relic
Ive never progged as another class, ever
frail veldt
how would I know
ancient cobalt
but these changes make me feel like my shackles or off and i could spread my wings..
inner sky
I thought you played Shaman, who knew
frail veldt
idk you talked about ret a lot in tww my b
patent mirage
cute
cinder relic
I thought you played Shaman, who knew
I play warrior as an alt rn
wintry solar
Forever rogue Guy
elder phoenix
Why is the damage meter from blizzard not showing your dps as well as damage
but its showing in beta
tf
copper radish
Why is the damage meter from blizzard not showing your dps as well as damage
Its broke
inner sky
Cause it was vibe coded by AI
frail veldt
hoonestly it would probably work if it was vibe coded
copper radish
Can’t even move mine with edit mode lmao
frail veldt
Can’t even move mine with edit mode lmao
thats an issue from other addons
brisk lotus
guys are we back to using ambush?
frail veldt
nope
brisk lotus
poo
tired marlin
that would be too many buttons I think
frail veldt
but yeah theres a lot of addons that break edit mode since htey all try to use edit mode to control their positioning
frail veldt
that would be too many buttons I think
it doesnt add a button
copper radish
guys are we back to using ambush?
I tried HO last night and it did piss for dmg
cinder relic
is the AH bricked
Oh its cuz I usually sort by current expac
and midnight is current expac
nvm
frail veldt
hahahaha
brisk lotus
silly me for thinking they would do something about that
frail veldt
they made HO not proc opp
gaunt phoenix
im bricked
frail veldt
so itll be hard for it to be competitive, but they could tune it pretty easily
copper radish
is the AH bricked
I saw someone say u can still use it thru auctionater but I didn’t try
frail veldt
keep reading lol
copper radish
Yeah well 🤦♂️
frail veldt
@cinder relic I was sent this, this cant be all ret has to track can it?
for sure an exaggeration right?
tired marlin
hahaha
inner sky
Seems the same as all War within
inner sky
I couldnt even play ret as an alt because i would fall asleep
cinder relic
This is literally all u had to track even before
frail veldt
thats disturbing
runic gulch
Didn’t wake also become passive in TWW?
Or at least you took a talent that made it passive
copper radish
thats disturbing
Ret is literally 2 buttons with 45 second massive offensive CDs 😭
elder phoenix
copper radish
Don’t forget the two shields on paladins and the 100% heal too. They got it all
desert tendon
Ret has a lot of utility to track tho
gaunt phoenix
moo you can use snipping tool and it will copy your image to clipboard and you can directly paste it into here instead of imgur
lime lake
elder phoenix
moo you can use snipping tool and it will copy your image to clipboard and you c...
Oh im using sharex
it auto uploads it to imgur
so like im not physically uploading them i press the keybind for it and it lets me screenshot specifc area of my screen or the whole screen and it automatically uploads it and put it on my copypaste macro
gaunt phoenix
i see
copper radish
Oh im using sharex
You should just delete sharex
elder phoenix
Why its nice
gaunt phoenix
why
copper radish
Can’t just hit print screen and clip the screenshots folder? lol
lime lake
except the uploading to imgur part
that parts good for fucking with people from the uk i guess
copper radish
UK can’t see it? Lmao
elder phoenix
wait UK people cant see it? LUL
lime lake
imgur is blocked there
elder phoenix
base windows functionality
it wasnt that way ages ago. since i downlaoded sharex back in 2012
copper radish
wait UK people cant see it? LUL
UK reads all their peoples private discord messages they cracked down a tad
frail veldt
so like im not physically uploading them i press the keybind for it and it lets...
Windows + shift + s also does the specific area
Then you just Ctrl v into chat
frail veldt
Hahahahahaha
lime lake
frail veldt
No pc
keen belfry
2 target BF uptime HOLY MOLY
frail veldt
Awful
keen belfry
your energy GETS POPO'D ON
i also went into a boss with no tea charges and actually was just afk
banger
elder phoenix
Windows + shift + s also does the specific area
can it make gifs
thorny zinc
sharex also can just upload locally no imgur needed
elder phoenix
and plus like i said ive been using sharex for like before that was implemented 🤷♂️
sharex does upload locally
but i set it to upload to imgur so i dont have to go to the folder
for it
elder phoenix
i was using something else back when i was 9 before sharex lol but that shit was behind a paywall
so i used sharex 🤷♂️
frail veldt
your energy GETS POPO'D ON
do you have less energy in 2 target than in ST?
just cuz youre trying to keep up bladeflurry?
ngl bladeflurry as as maintenance buff sucks ass hahaha
0/10
keen belfry
do you have less energy in 2 target than in ST?
yeah ST is normally fine if u have a tea charge
but 2 target
holy shit
i also have 34% haste
maybe need 50?
vapid sundial
ngl bladeflurry as as maintenance buff sucks ass hahaha
I mean at this point it should just be a passive
frail veldt
when you think about it
vapid sundial
Worthless button
frail veldt
well it was
cinder relic
deft change bad
frail veldt
uhuh for adr might have been problematic
but uhuh for bladeflurry
was very very very nice
keen belfry
bf should just be a toggle im unsure why it cant be
keen belfry
im literally punished to press aoe
frail veldt
toggles kinda suck though too for other reasons
keen belfry
i mean man im literally running out of energy on 5 target training dummies in like 1 minute
frail veldt
but also
just make bladeflurry longer...
the fuck is 12 seconds
or whatever it is
make it 45
deft should increase bladeflurry duration
magic pollen
how much ST does outlaw do ?
fresh orchid
patch is here
vivid vessel
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
HAHAHAHAHAHHA
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I CANNOT
I CANNOT
BRO
I CANNOT
25%
XDDDDDDDDDDD
25
%
25
%
HAHAHAHAHA
cinder relic
r u okay
fathom bramble
aoe trinkets scale better in aoe than that
vivid vessel
these devs are so clueless its crazy
fresh orchid
zero sense patch notes
cinder relic
Fixed an issue that caused Ravenholdt Mint’s benefit to not be applied or even reduce overall damage.
vivid vessel
it cannot
cinder relic
HUGE
prisma vessel
are we saved?
vivid vessel
spec is litteraly dead
elder phoenix
i think were saved
abstract frost
LMAOO
vivid vessel
they think
magic pollen
shrewd cobalt
Zac never disappointing with the over reaction xD
magic pollen
15 😄 😄 😄
cinder relic
caustic 15% 
normal forge
blizzard should state public that outlaw is not to be played and remove the spec from the game until its fixed
vivid vessel
its not over reactiong
shrewd cobalt
cinder relic
U are overreacting
vivid vessel
no im not
see you in midnivht
you said the same thing
when i "over reacted"
during s3 ptr
cinder relic
U dont need to have an explosion at every single bluepost u know that right
vivid vessel
when they nerfed bf
and then
look at us
on live
we dont even do tank damage in aoe
i over reacted
xddd
prisma vessel
i did more? wdfym?
normal forge
in mad too, i feel u zac, its outrageous
vivid vessel
U dont need to have an explosion at every single bluepost u know that right
idk contact your friend at blizzard and explain to him that it make 0 sense to nerf bf by 10% every time you aura buff the spec by 10%
cinder relic
Yeah I'll get right on that
vivid vessel
seems like we got a completly clueless dev this expac
keen belfry
why are they nerfing BF? does blizz not like oour dmg profile or
vivid vessel
im so glad my spec is now legit unplayable in keys
forever
overreacting
xddd
im so over reacting bro
spec cannot do aoe
low glade
lmaoooooooooo
split grove
We gonna get r1 on the st raid fight and then deal healer dmg in m+ that's so good man
elder phoenix
seems like we got a completly clueless dev this expac
i think they are going in the right direction so doubt theyre clueless
low glade
can't have it be too OP
vivid vessel
i think they are going in the right direction so doubt theyre clueless
you are temp room iq stfu bro
agile orchid
seems like you are not allowed to do aoe damage anymore
elder phoenix
you are temp room iq stfu bro
i mean i agree with blizzard devs on this one so 🤷♂️ sounds like you just big mad
elder phoenix
i mean in your case you dont either
vivid vessel
keep yapping bud
prisma vessel
wait, hold up, Zac dosen't play rogue? why you still typing in here?
low glade
why did the tune down outlaw not even kidding
glass mortar
only way these notes make sense is if everyones aoe across the game got dumpstered or they are softcapping/uncapping bf
what on earth
random stirrup
hmm
fathom bramble
yeah idk
low glade
didn't even touch warlock or mage
magic pollen
i dont know why the didnt nerf evoker or mage
low glade
warlock is legit like gapping everyone right now on beta
desert tendon
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
outlaw better be god of single target
fathom bramble
I'm not sure how to make sense of that at all
low glade
evoker was just destroing me
was he devastating you?
glass mortar
our ST to aoe scaling ratio is going to be absurd in midnight
low glade
low glade
ST gods I guess
glass mortar
or are we gunna do normal st and zero aoe
vivid vessel
also this is a 15% aura buff for a 30% aoe nerf so
low glade
surely?
keen belfry
I'm not sure how to make sense of that at all
do they want our aoe dmg to be like coins, BR, main gauce?
fathom bramble
we would have to be literal ST gods to even be remotely decent in dungeons at 25% ratio
fathom bramble
or like a ton of other aoe nerfs need to come in on other specs
glass mortar
wild seeing people act like zac is overeacting to this he crashed out just as hard last time they nerfed bf
and the time before that
vivid vessel
outlaw better be god of single target
ye cause they will let us do 20% more st than any other spec in the game
glass mortar
the time before that was when he said it would make us trash in s3 tho
vivid vessel
lets see how much aoe
outlaw does
in midnight
im over reacting
xdd
you wont see a single outlaw in keys
that shit is not playable
low glade
im over reacting guys
can we have a stream reaction?
fresh acorn
Killing spree should insta kill anything in the cone if Blade Tickle is gonn be at 25% and capped
low glade
like a GRWM but it's reading outlaw blue posts
glass mortar
i mean u partially do it to urself zac because u do crash out quite abit about changes
not that i dont understand why
vivid vessel
the time before that was when he said it would make us trash in s3 tho
nsh bro im over reacting
glass mortar
these notes are absolutely worth crashing out about tho
vivid vessel
i had to fight with 10 0 iq lfr players
that were saying outlaw is op
cuase they dont understand
how wow works
leaden folio
blizzard will produce garbage change until NO ONE, NOT EVEN ZAC, play this spec
glass mortar
think this is the only class discord im in where the r1 m+ player of the spec most seasons is laughed at when they say an aoe change is very bad for a spec
vivid vessel
im complelty over reacting
fathom bramble
I mean it is a massive aoe nerf moving into the next expansion when we weren't even that good for aoe in the current one
vivid vessel
cause outlaw will be allowed to be tuned 30% above every other spec in the game in st
glass mortar
its not like zac is some random yapper
vivid vessel
yes yes
fathom bramble
there's no real other way to look at this
elder phoenix
idk why zac is over reacting this hard. they buff our whole damage by 10% like if he hates the game so much why not just stop playing imo
vivid vessel
you are so fucking dumb bro
glass mortar
y r u even reacting to him hes not even giving you any reasons or arguments
vivid vessel
ye cause you are stupid
glass mortar
hes just trying to trigger u
abstract frost
split grove
Guys they are tuning us for the new feature prey thing that's the only reason i think
We're gonna pop off on prey
vivid vessel
bro eating glue perma
glass mortar
trueee prey is a single target system so we only need to do ST damage
vivid vessel
its fine guys
glass mortar
this is an unhinged aoe nerf to the profile, not just the damage
vivid vessel
outlaw been doing so much aoe this season
glass mortar
only way it makes sense is if more is coming down the line
vivid vessel
its normal that its gonna do legit 2 times less aoe
elder phoenix
i mean this way i think they're going the ST route with outlaw which is good given that our ST is kinda poop
glass mortar
no its not every class in the game needs to be able to aoe and st
vivid vessel
STOP
plush swan
@vivid vessel it’ll be okay
glass mortar
and you are beyond stupid if you think that isnt the case, im sorry
leaden folio
plush swan
You just gotta bug abuse some more
glass mortar
the sin one is weird to
gloomy coral
Zac getting ragebaited after patch notes. Its like the rerun of 2024 
ashen void
evidently you can say a lot
vivid vessel
Zac getting ragebaited after patch notes. Its like the rerun of 2024 <:kekw:1323...
dude
koffing
covert kestrel
lmao what did i miss
plush swan
i mean the spec is done for
Reroll aug
vivid vessel
off this sever
plush swan
Aug season is back
glass mortar
they nerfed bf to 25%
low glade
lmao what did i miss
outlaw will be single target gods
vivid vessel
this guy is legit 0 iq
glass mortar
@covert kestrel
mighty pivot
BF in TLT will do 5% cleave
vivid vessel
perma ragebaiting
fathom bramble
zac has his own colorful nature, but this patchline is actual doom
vivid vessel
read his messages please
not a single message he type
is of interest
to any one
glass mortar
im glad at least loktark isnt eating glue like some of the people responding
just because zac is crashing out at awful notes
lime lake
thats actually an insane patch note yeah
abstract frost
wintry solar
On the plus side, energy was fixed because now we don't have to spend it on BF :)
elder phoenix
zac has his own colorful nature, but this patchline is actual doom
sounds like hes just over reacting imo
gloomy coral
Have you tried blocking him so you dont at least dont get your blood pressure in check
burnt mortar
thats actually an insane patch note yeah
oh hey Bel, big fan of your work
vivid vessel
he does not contribute to society
lime lake
oh hey Bel, big fan of your work
gloomy coral
And then you can ping me about reviewing his message
lime lake
you know i couldnt miss this
burnt mortar
oh yeah
elder phoenix
zac acting like this whole blue posts is his 13th reason
when its not even a big of a deal
glass mortar
nerfing bf is a massive deal
glass mortar
if you dont understand that i get it, you barely play the game is my understanding
glass mortar
idk why you are commenting like this though
keen belfry
i wonder what moot would do if we all blocked him
elder phoenix
but they buffed our damage 🤷♂️ theyre obviously trying to balance our st with aoe
wintry solar
i wonder what moot would do if we all blocked him
pallid wraith
So rogue is obviously meant to stay stealthed inside the raid to hold the lockout
while other raid members do M+
glass mortar
when bf was 45%
keen belfry
but i enjoy his bait he makes it really believeable that moot is an actual idiot
fathom bramble
but they buffed our damage 🤷♂️ theyre obviously trying to balance our st wi...
please review the math involved
glass mortar
if no, how will we do good aoe when bf is 25%
gloomy coral
!mute @elder phoenix 10080m Ragebaiting is fun, but if its all you do, it gets old
glass mortar
do u assume we are going to fdo 30% more ST damage then everyone else?
keen belfry
like i dont think hes actually this dumb
wintry solar
How long is that
random stirrup
let's go zac actually got a W today
glass mortar
ok thank you, nvm moot its not fair to ask questions when u cant respond
vivid vessel
huge W im not mad anymore
low glade
So rogue is obviously meant to stay stealthed inside the raid to hold the lockou...
LMAO
vivid vessel
good notes
lime lake
holy
fickle flume
How long is that
More importantly is the cd reduced by restless blades
lime lake
biggest zac W since beta started
gloomy coral
For what its worth, ping me next time instead of going big mad insults on the duder
vivid vessel
i mean i can get muted till midnight for all i care
low glade
mute zac for 69 minutes
abstract frost
does this mean 22 hoa is timable?
mighty pivot
mute zac until they buff BF back up
low glade
it would actually be so funny
abstract frost
with outlaw ST buffs?
vivid vessel
does this mean 22 hoa is timable?
bro they been timing 43 hoa
ashen void
mute zac until they buff BF back up
mod this man pls
abstract frost
fathom bramble
I guess at least this time there isn't some small hope or question as to whether or not I will do push keys next season
glass mortar
i'll hold out waiting for more because these patch notes are utter nonsense without actual changes in the works but if this is just legit tuning its probably pretty over
fathom bramble
if it doesn't change then I can just skip it fully
leaden folio
outlaw tank spec confirmed
harsh forge
AR doesnt even feel that good to press
fresh acorn
Tank spec that can’t hold threat
harsh forge
why do we even have it
fresh acorn
Not enough dam
fathom bramble
I can't even imagine a perspective from which this makes sense
vivid vessel
isnt it funny that everytime they aura buff outlaw they nerf bf
fathom bramble
right now I have to assume it's a mistake or accident
frail veldt
Rip
gloomy coral
Look at the bright side, they reverted the 18 vaults, which would have been disastrous for outlaw otps
lime lake
me when psychic link is now 20% stronger than blade flurry
plush swan
Have you tried playing a real class that isn’t target capped
fathom bramble
one that will hopefully get remidied
harsh forge
by the time Midnight drops we will actually heal enemies with BF but we will get 30% aura buff
abstract frost
Someone ban Poah please
glass mortar
me when my target capped cleave class is hitting 5 targets and doing 2X the damage id do on st
vivid vessel
Have you tried playing a real class that isn’t target capped
me when the target capped calss is also the lowest aoe spec in the game for whatever reason cause its wow lore or idk
plush swan
I’m telling you bro just reroll a caster aug season is back
wintry solar
Dk
analog fog
Let’s not login Rogue anymore
olive parcel
anyone else can't play grappling hook without the retraction speed?
glass mortar
its pretty rough to get used to again yea
vivid vessel
anyone else can't play grappling hook without the retraction speed?
ye me
gaunt phoenix
blissful flame
don't we just all play for the vibes totally fine
vivid vessel
its so slow walking is faster
abstract frost
don't we just all play for the vibes totally fine
mods ban him
silent adder
is it an aoe nerf or neutral changé
plush swan
Is outlaw still doing tank ST next xpac tho
glass mortar
it is impossible for this to not be an aoe nerf
solar geyser
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA
I am using my one and only message in Outlaw chat to ask if you are both ok and if you will survive
vivid vessel
the spec does not do any aoe anymore
vivid vessel
do not bother trying to do keys
gloomy coral
Thankfully heroic week tuning is still far away.. Right, guys... Right?
orchid oracle
I think detect traps is more dps than bf
glass mortar
i dont think people realize how big BF changes are they go beyond raw numbers
the entire damage profile is squished
ashen void
i live by the maxim of do not bother trying to do keys anyway
it is a fucker's game
mild vigil
the entire damage profile is squished
squished flat damage profile, HUGE change from blizzard
haughty wigeon
vivid vessel
i dont think people realize how massive the nerf to bf was when we went from 50% to 45% between s2 and s3
fathom bramble
the damage profile at 25% means you need unacceptably insane ST to be decent in keys
leaden folio
vivid vessel
we are going from 45% to 25%
glass mortar
squished flat damage profile, HUGE change from blizzard
i mean in your aoe to st gain
mild vigil
oh yeah I'm aware, I'm being sarcastic
vivid vessel
sure thing mortiz
frail veldt
do they think the 15% buff makes up for the 30% nerf to bladeflurry damage
plush swan
Yeah and assa was unplayable
vivid vessel
i trust you
frail veldt
idgi
mild vigil
we should rename the disc to rerollholdt
plush swan
💀
fathom bramble
what % of sins aoe is even castic anymore
abstract frost
keen belfry
I can't even imagine a perspective from which this makes sense
like this screams they want to revamp how we do aoe, but obviously that isnt happening
frail veldt
assa when they have linear scaling dot application in aoe
low glade
me when the target capped calss is also the lowest aoe spec in the game for what...
this is so fucking funny it's unreal
frail veldt
kekw
plush swan
Assa was pretty bad this last season
vivid vessel
do they think the 15% buff makes up for the 30% nerf to bladeflurry damage
considering they reduced bf by 10% the last 10% aura buff
i think they just odnt understand
the math
plush swan
Lol true
leaden folio
OUTLAW!!!!!
abstract frost
OUTLAW!!!!!
vivid vessel
no one can convince me assa was worse than outalw this season
stoic marsh
OUTLAW!!!!!
vivid vessel
it was legit the same shit
abstract frost
you know what spec for rogue is better than assa and outlaw?
plush swan
Assa was just bugged the entire season
glass mortar
on a normie 5 target pack on live you were doing ~300% ST dps to the pack, now you will do 200% ST dps
plush swan
you know what spec for rogue is better than assa and outlaw?
Aug
gloomy coral
You know what else was bugged last season?
glass mortar
the only way aoe is ever "balanced" is if everyone in the games aoe got squished
vivid vessel
the only way aoe is ever "balanced" is if everyone in the games aoe got squished
like it did from s2 tww to s3 tww right ?
glass mortar
otherwise you'd need to be doing like 20-30% more ST then everyone else in the game to do real aoe damage
vivid vessel
right ?
abstract frost
Zac if youd like to do tank damage next season, just play aug @vivid vessel
glass mortar
its nonsense
abstract frost
its the same as outlaw
plush swan
Nah aug is back
past falcon
this is actually rather depressing
vivid vessel
Zac if youd like to do tank damage next season, just play aug <@3529162972623011...
you know blizzard details doesnt work with aug
desert tendon
you know blizzard details doesnt work with aug
abstract frost
youre right, augs doing much more
plush swan
Ready to reroll vdh caster comp
thick vigil
why tf was bf nerfed again
abstract frost
lets see whats outlaws level
desert tendon
i m so happy
abstract frost
maybe holy priest
vivid vessel
why tf was bf nerfed again
outlaw is doing too much aoe on live rn
desert tendon
i ll find u
vivid vessel
deserved a 40% nerf to its aoe
thick vigil
kek
ancient cobalt
can someone smart explain whats bad and good ty
silk stirrup
So are these buffs or nerfs?
silk stirrup
frail veldt
So are these buffs or nerfs?
looks like around 13% nerf to aoe
thick vigil
this is like what the third bf nerf?
frail veldt
and a 15% buff to st
vivid vessel
How good was outlaw on beta
idk they have been aura buffing it by 15% or aura nerfing it by 15^% legit every week
silent adder
looks like around 13% nerf to aoe
and 15 aura buff
vivid vessel
i was doing about tank aoe last i checked tho
limpid isle
frail veldt
and 15 aura buff
no thats including
stoic marsh
this is like what the third bf nerf?
something like that, blizzard hates outlaw rogues.
frail veldt
13% aoe nerf is including the 15% aura buff
silent adder
oh
ancient cobalt
dam thats +2%
smoky lotus
some dev just saw blade flurry was always our top dps and wanted to nerf it so were not just pressing one button
ancient cobalt
we up
frail veldt
if you exclude the st buff its literally a 29% nerf to bladeflurry output
mild vigil
who up rerolling to a new class? /s
frail veldt
so the 15% st buff makes up for aabout half of that
thick vigil
Good stuff devs
ebon nimbus
team is it still the case not to press ambush ever if not talented into a ho build?
vivid vessel
so the 15% st buff makes up for aabout half of that
except it doesnt
cause thats not how it works
frail veldt
team is it still the case not to press ambush ever if not talented into a ho bui...
correct
glass mortar
team is it still the case not to press ambush ever if not talented into a ho bui...
yes
vivid vessel
but idk if i need to explain that again
ebon nimbus
ty
vivid vessel
i did it already in s3 ptr
silent adder
but idk if i need to explain that again
yes pls
vivid vessel
and people called me names
covert kestrel
and people called me names
the only thing i've called you is goat
smoky lotus
hi names
vivid vessel
yes pls
do you think they will allow outlaw to do 30% more st dps than any other spec in the game
or do you think outlaw will be tuned to do rouglhy the same st dps as other classes
in which case bf just went down
low glade
i think they're cooking something good for us
smoky lotus
theyre probably uncapping bf, no worries
tidal horizon
Just replace bladefurry with actual spells that do aoe 4Head
wintry solar
30% more ST dps than every spec in the game has crazy implications
low glade
they're adding a RTB roll that uncaps BF for 4 seconds
glass mortar
you will be doing the same ST damage relatively as you always do with everyone else but now the ability that makes up 70% of your aoe got cut almost in half
frail veldt
I mean total damage output for bladeflurry is
pre nerf: ST+STx2.45
post nerf is STx1.15 + STx1.15*1.75
right? @vivid vessel
glass mortar
is how I would put it
low glade
compensatory nerfs so we don't dominate AOE
vivid vessel
I mean total damage output for bladeflurry is
pre nerf: ST+STx2.45
post nerf is ...
idk what your numebrs means i legit do not care bro
frail veldt
oh okay
keen belfry
i think they're cooking something good for us
i mean this nerf literally makes it seem like they want us to change how we do our aoe lmao, but theres no way
frail veldt
anyway yeah its around a 15% nerf to total bladeflurry output
fathom bramble
i think they're cooking something good for us
there's basically nothing other than buffing BF back up that could possibly fix this
frail veldt
sure im just saying how it affects the output
low glade
i mean this nerf literally makes it seem like they want us to change how we do o...
thought of you
lone spear
no u guys its cause you do your AoE rotation while doing ST damage!!! no other spec in the game does that we are TOO STRONG deserved nerf gj blizz
vivid vessel
if outlaw is 30% behind in st are we going to nerf bf another 30% to compensate for the 30% aua buff ?
lone spear
anyway logging onto my dh
vivid vessel
it does not work this way
frail veldt
if outlaw is 30% behind in st are we going to nerf bf another 30% to compensate ...
well if we werent behind in aoe then we would want to
fluid iron
The walls in your house.
damn so you heard me confessing my love to you everyday, thats crazy
keen belfry
thought of you
took my twins to disney, on the way in sold a brick outside of epcot
frail veldt
like if our aoe was on par but our st was 30% behind then yes you would do that
wintry solar
There's no way the AoE from BR could justify the nerf to NF right?
frail veldt
well not exactly 30 for 30
vivid vessel
like if our aoe was on par but our st was 30% behind then yes you would do that
ye suddenly you do more aoe magically
vivid vessel
cause that ever happened
low glade
there's basically nothing other than buffing BF back up that could possibly fix ...
i'm holding on to the last shred of hope i have
frail veldt
I mean if you buff our st by 20% we would do more aoe yes
low glade
don't take it away
frail veldt
if you didnt change anything else
midnight ridge
is fb ahead of trickster after these changes?
vivid vessel
I mean if you buff our st by 20% we would do more aoe yes
yes but if you need to buff the st by 20%, your aoe is probabaly behind by that same number bud
because the game legit
is always the same
wintry solar
Where the Koffing X Stealthi fanfics?
frail veldt
yes but if you need to buff the st by 20%, your aoe is probabaly behind by that ...
yes thats assuming the aoe is also behind I agree
fathom bramble
in the past they have only ever really moved BF up or down by like 5% at a time
this is like actual insanity
I just don't understand
smoky lotus
a rogue dev would know this, but I dont think there is one
vivid vessel
nah bro its fine im overreacting
we dont have a completly new clueless guy doing random tuning
keen belfry
im trying to understand but i genuinely dont think theres anything to understand
grave rose
i mean i can get muted till midnight for all i care
That would make this channel 10000% less toxic and tolerable. I'm all for it
thick vigil
wah
fathom bramble
zac is barely even toxic
mild vigil
That would make this channel 10000% less toxic and tolerable. I'm all for it
who asked?
vivid vessel
That would make this channel 10000% less toxic and tolerable. I'm all for it
random
fresh acorn
They must really wanna go back to classic where rogues don’t have any AOE
fathom bramble
ragebaiting and popcorn people poking regulars are true toxicity
fresh acorn
BF 2 minute cooldown next week
wintry solar
That would make this channel 10000% less toxic and tolerable. I'm all for it
Okay but think of the implications
keen belfry
think if the implications
lone spear
they just giga nerfed outlaw, happens all the time to others too. either theyll fix it soon or leave it like this till middle of the season
wintry solar
Awang no
lone spear
either way, they fucked up
leaden folio
remember when BF was infinite and not target cap and we have 3meter extra range ?
god I miss legion
vivid vessel
remember when BF was infinite and not target cap and we have 3meter extra range ...
yards*
mighty pivot
2.7 metres
lone spear
wintry solar
they just giga nerfed outlaw, happens all the time to others too. either theyll ...
I only looked at outlaw. I'm going to assume for my sake every other spec that got mentioned in the patch notes also had aoe nerfed
keen belfry
im nervous to go log into beta
silent adder
so whats the deal now subtely?
keen belfry
what if blow up
magic pollen
So Sub Rogue u are pressing 2 buttons in ST and 2 buttons in AOE, ASSA got gutted and Outlaw deleted ... i think im gonna quit here
lone spear
I only looked at outlaw. I'm going to assume for my sake every other spec that g...
not sure, WW got some changes to stuff
abstract frost
You know what’s crazy, demo didn’t get touched. You know, the spec doing 20% more than every other spec
silent adder
You know what’s crazy, demo didn’t get touched. You know, the spec doing 20% mo...
40*
vapid sundial
You know what’s crazy, demo didn’t get touched. You know, the spec doing 20% mo...
There's always a warlock tier
lone spear
but regardless not much we can do i think zac is correct, clueless tuning guy
leaden folio
don't worry, outlaw have great scalling 
abstract frost
covert kestrel
did unholy get a BUFF
wintry solar
Yeah
silent adder
y their tyrant might be doing more dam than outlaw
pallid wraith
outlaw stands outside the raid in cheerleader slutmog
frail veldt
its okay guys remember outlaw has a bunch of other elements of its kit that makes it extremely valuable beyond just the damage meters
lone spear
hopefully he sees numbers in game and thinks "ohhhh i goofed"
covert kestrel
vapid sundial
All 3 rogue specs dooming at the same time
I don't think I haveever seen this before
mild vigil
its okay guys remember outlaw has a bunch of other elements of its kit that make...
so true bestie like our aoe blind
fathom bramble
I think it's time to close this chat and go think about something else
mild vigil
wait
fathom bramble
this change is the most doomable thing that has ever happened
mild vigil
that's gone now too
fathom bramble
and no discussion about it even really matters
fluid iron
so whats the deal now subtely?
always was
smoky lotus
close the discord!
lone spear
have a good day loktark, think happy thoughts
low glade
mage and warlock getting away with highway robbery on beta rn
frail veldt
that's gone now too
its just gone from the tooltip
low glade
actually crazy
limpid isle
I wanted combat rogue back, but not like this.
covert kestrel
this change is the most doomable thing that has ever happened
is this bigger than losing acrobatic
frail veldt
its actually still there
frail veldt
I wanted combat rogue back, but not like this.
this is combat rogue
low glade
I wanted combat rogue back, but not like this.
LMAOOOOOOO this should be a pin
certified hood classic
glass mortar
this change is the most doomable thing that has ever happened
im going to sort magic cards and watch magic slop on the tv
have a good night lok
zac go to bed
u crashed out enough today
thick vigil
lmfao
wintry solar
We all need a snack and a nap
fathom bramble
im going to sort magic cards and watch magic slop on the tv
flying my spaceship goodbye
glass mortar
u shoulda saved all ur manic crashout energy from this morning for this because it absolutely warrants it
frail veldt
We all need a snack and a nap
but when I wake up outlaws gona be the same
low glade
flying my spaceship goodbye
new wow UI?
frail veldt
I think im just gona be a tft main now
low glade
is that atrocityUI?
glass mortar
flying my spaceship goodbye
🫡
pallid wraith
its so fucked up i finally find a class i enjoy then blizzard slams a semi into it
lucid stirrup
flying my spaceship goodbye
Hutton run when
frail veldt
remember what the wise man once said, if you dont like it then just go play something else
low glade
its so fucked up i finally find a class i enjoy then blizzard slams a semi into ...
bbl tag goes hard
ancient cobalt
guys at least with outlaw dying they will scrap it all and maybe the new spec that replaces it will be cool ❤️
wintry solar
I wonder if Fantasy Land is nice this time of year
low glade
guys at least with outlaw dying they will scrap it all and maybe the new spec th...
survival hunter
doing the outlaw fantasy 10x better atm
hate to say it
red zinc
ouwlaw 🔥
fathom whale
hate to say it
i hate reading it but its true
fathom whale
i bet ur frowning so hard
low glade
bottom lip quivering rn
quaint mauve
wheres the ui pack... i neeeed ittt
vivid vessel
xddd
low glade
what is that server tag bro
LMAO
quaint mauve
what is that server tag bro
vapid sundial
Guys we are so back
red zinc
dont worry guys im flying to LA next week
vapid sundial
And by back I Mena back to the dumpster
red zinc
ill sneak into lizzard campus and fix this
low glade
hm5's mossad handler got his ass
glass mortar
all im saying is if ret had gotten notes like this, theyd shut down their server today, and probably shut down another classes server just to show how serious they are
anyway 💅
quaint mauve
broooo why do i have to update drivers
lime plank
Think its safe to do just crit haste recrafts to share with Sub?
gloomy coral
Shutting down your class' resources for balancing is the most cringe thing that happened in the games history.
low glade
who has the DK pasta?
glass mortar
if it isnt clear i am making fun of them
vapid sundial
Shutting down your class' resources for balancing is the most cringe thing that ...
That Twitter post was pretty cringe too
glass mortar
it was very cringe
vapid sundial
#GripIsARaidBuff
red zinc
dawg just post 
unserious class unserious channel
haughty wigeon
Midnight was funny
red zinc
gloomy coral
Oh, on the topic of cringe things, make sure you have notifications for pala discord mutes 
haughty wigeon
4 @ everyone’s
haughty wigeon
Oh, on the topic of cringe things, make sure you have notifications for pala dis...
Yes but I don’t mind this
low glade
Oh, on the topic of cringe things, make sure you have notifications for pala dis...
good comms
i gotta check
i remember acherus did a server ping a few weeks back
haughty wigeon
The proceeds are going to a well liked individual
haughty wigeon
Who passed away
frail veldt
doing the outlaw fantasy 10x better atm
if surv didnt have a pet I would 1000% be on that shit
but I hate pets in this game theyre so jank
low glade
if surv didnt have a pet I would 1000% be on that shit
yeah the pet AI is so fucking wack
frail veldt
Im fine with passive pets
low glade
they'll just yeet themselves into packs randomly
haughty wigeon
I’m still lowkey devistated that was how I learned that lil died
frail veldt
like on uhdk or shadow priest
low glade
uhdk and lock pets are terrorists on beta rn
low glade
they'll just crip walk over into unpulled packs
frail veldt
pets should just be visual honestly
daring yoke
haughty wigeon
Post it again
vapid sundial
Don't post it again
red zinc
internet explorer type beat
vapid sundial
It's so sad as is
lime lake
do what your heart tells you to
frail veldt
Oh, on the topic of cringe things, make sure you have notifications for pala dis...
LOL whats happening over there?
low glade
Post it again
LMAO
wintry solar
Post it one more time, there might be buffs this time.
haughty wigeon
LOL whats happening over there?
We’re doing a ad run survey thing for a company
haughty wigeon
The money is going to help the family of a mod who passed away tho
vapid sundial
Where tweet @cinder relic
wintry solar
AoE for outlaw is just a formality atp
frail veldt
yeah outlaw has really good single target and usually does well in prog so we dont need to do good aoe
vivid vessel
Where tweet <@96834520417828864>
he said I was over reacting
so its prolly fine
we got aura buffed by 15% to compensate
low glade
https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-walking-cat-walk-glamour-glamorous-gif-60655710...
real or AI?
lone spear
actually was outlaw giga OP on beta i didnt see anyone playing it?
vivid vessel
so based on math its an aoe buff
red zinc
real or AI?
reel
vivid vessel
wink wink
vapid sundial
he said I was over reacting
I saw lok doom.
I don't think we are fine
frail veldt
(guy checking to see if uhuh is still gone) yep outlaw is still amazing no notes
vapid sundial
Lok never dooms
vapid sundial
I've never seen that before
near rock
Nah he dooms sometimes
wintry solar
It's reel, I was the driver
lone spear
chat is this real?
vapid sundial
Nah he dooms sometimes
Bro said I don't want to talk about it I'm gonna go play another game
red zinc
so based on math its an aoe buff
17% aoe nerf 
vapid sundial
That's unreal
lone spear
we needed the nerf
vapid sundial
lone spear
too many outlaw rog still
vapid sundial
Dw you got a st buff
lone spear
go away everyone
lone spear
where has solo been
leaden folio
im speaking outlaw but have reroll dk since s3, what are you doin ?
lone spear
has he seen this shit?
leaden folio
zac stop play ptr