outlaw

[vapid sundial]

I mean

atleast its not a tax

[glass mortar]

dw looks like outlaws going past the haste tax now so

making like 20% of ur dps auto attacks makes haste less bad when ur autos double dip haste

[vapid sundial]

bro

[glass mortar]

(on purpose we literally have a talent for it)

[vapid sundial]

get me out

what is this nightmare situation

[glass mortar]

we r crit/hasters

i doubt we'll have much vers until s3

maybe s2?

im ready to die to everything 🥰

squishy lil pirate

[vapid sundial]

how did outlaw go down the worst road possible

thats so funny

[honest sparrow]

Surely outlaw also didnt lose tankyness while other specs from rogue even gained a little.

[vapid sundial]

I mean we were vers stackers

so we lose tank boy stats regardless

'almost all outlaw players hate haste tax . .. what should we do'

Blizz: double down

like what

[glass mortar]

well

they didnt respond to literally any feedback we gave on outlaw stuff for the whole design cycle so

it seems that was the intention from the get go

no surprise haste tax was also ignored

🤷

[vapid sundial]

I am relatively certain they are just getting feedback from classic players who want combat

and listening to that

[glass mortar]

nah it just wasnt our turn (again) 🙂 theyll get us in 13.0

they clearly had a design goal of simplifying everyone across the board which is what we got hit with

and then no plans to do any actual iteration past that for many specs (us)

they didnt even respond to the peoples feedback asking for more simplification they just dropped the initial changes then moonwalked out for outlaw

[vapid sundial]

My theory is they want to make a new community for outlaw

so more people play it

[glass mortar]

well outlaw didnt get anything specific

if id take anything away from this design cycle its outlaw didnt get one

we got the initial changes like every spec in the game with the goal of simplifying, but thats like a template that even a general dev could probably apply to most specs

i dont think anything was aimed at outlaw this design cycle imo, quite the opposite. the only changes planned were the general simplifying

[frail veldt]

yeah their goal wasnt to fix outlaw issues it was just the main goal of making things easier in general

[elder phoenix]

everytime i seen an outlaw or any rogue in keys 12+ or higher i cringe a little bit

[prisma vessel]

its only really noticable in gambit

[random stirrup]

@past falcon wyd in my key blud

[past falcon]

ayo

[teal garnet]

finally its over

[unborn basin]

nice job

[gaunt phoenix]

oh shit

[teal garnet]

it does suprise me theres only 145 outlaw parses for that fight, I get its bad but 😭

[unborn basin]

my guild stopped at 7/8 .. we had a few meme pulls on dimensius tho

[teal garnet]

besides the shitload of downtime on the boss, the current state of the boss is pretty chill imo, very scripted

Hopefully next tier we arent dead last for the real bosses

[tight kernel]

China out here with the boosts going crazy

[past falcon]

wtf is going on

[tight kernel]

Also rank 4

[random stirrup]

the gang of outlaws

[harsh forge]

I just got it too. 147 now

tbf half of the china outlaw kills are carries & theres like 15 NA/EU carries

[teal garnet]

ye looking at it earlier it was like maybe 80-90 real parses

[harsh forge]

top 100 baby 🤝

[frail veldt]

I mean its by far the weakest spec in the game for that fight

like its not even close

and when its relatively easy to pickup sub/assa you might as well swap

[harsh forge]

cringe

power through for the cause

raiding in a RWL guild you get the privelege of playing the fun spec

[untold wadi]

reset after first pull ngl idgaf

so depressing that first pull

[wintry gate]

so ugh we back next week huh right right?

[lime lake]

[vapid sundial]

You missed your chance to be around

Sorry

[plush obsidian]

How cooked are we in prepatch

[gaunt phoenix]

idk tuning, but it should be easy to get haste, so the rotation should feel okay

[glass mortar]

what wont be easy is dropping all ur vers gear...

i dont think any current rogue spec is giga stacking crit with some haste so its unlikely u even have the correct gear for other specs to swap on

[grave rose]

thankfully most of my gear is crafted

[haughty moat]

so we go full crit haste next week?

[dreamy tiger]

is the beta down right now?

[dreamy python]

@gaunt phoenix that coin bug is beta and ptr I assume?

Was PTR checked?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah, both beta and ptr

[burnt dragon]

What's everyone's plan when UI breaks

[lone spear]

already been changed UI

all defaulto

[unborn basin]

anyone use quazii ui? is it any good for us?

[brave lagoon]

my plan is to push that issue until next tuesday when I won't have any choice but to face the consequences of my inaction

[craggy barn]

dimmy so ez

i skiped a week and came back and killed it for my guild ez

[sullen wyvern]

Hey guys, Long time no talk.

How is outlaw looking for midnight?

[lime lake]

[wintry solar]

decent

[vapid sundial]

Depends who you ask

I think it's looking doomed

[wintry solar]

Different strokes, etc

[long barn]

I started dropped some vers for crit a while back. Like 25% crit, 40% vers. But no doubt it’s gotta be a chore dropping more vers

[subtle cedar]

Guys is there any "right" better rotation I am new to outlaw

[honest sparrow]

Yes there is but its not worth it to learn for this last week. Outlaw will get big gameplay changes with prepatch next week

[blazing hazel]

I am sure this has been asked before but is the tooltip bugged or is the 2nd point worthless

[gaunt phoenix]

Tooltip bug

[leaden sonnet]

Did you get apex talents to work in simc after the update? The spellid talent thing that was mentioned doesnt seem to be working

Or did you mostly focus on prepatch stuff

[gaunt phoenix]

You need ptr=1 in header and the spec talents in footer

If ptr=1 is on footer then it dont work, idk why

https://mimiron.raidbots.com/simbot/report/n2sfxMV7QoKQwTGX1UgtLP

[leaden sonnet]

Ah, thanks

[hasty warren]

Hi pitates

[sullen wyvern]

is it enyoable?

did they turn outlaw frost dk braindead easy? What's the general input?

Trying to figure what to start playing with the little time I've got now

[wintry solar]

Depends on what you mean by braindead

Some people would say all specs are braindead now

[sullen wyvern]

idk about that

up until now outlaw is by far the most complex spec I've played so far

[wintry solar]

That level of complexity would probably never touch wow again tbh

[sullen wyvern]

yeah that's fine. As long as it is enjoyable

[wintry solar]

If you like current outlaw I doubt you'll like the new one.

[sullen wyvern]

eh

I liked shadowlands outlaw tbh

[wintry solar]

Unless you're open minded

It's closer to that

[sullen wyvern]

It's what so far it looked like to me

close to shadowlands outlaw

[wintry solar]

Like a bfa/shadowlands hybrid

[sullen wyvern]

yea

Like fury is braindead

[gaunt phoenix]

if you've played outlaw before crackshot then you've seen this outlaw before

[sullen wyvern]

but I enjoy fury a lot

[sullen wyvern]

I guess its just pre crackshot outlaw with less rng with rolls

different rolls actually

[gaunt phoenix]

yes, but also just adrenaline rush as your cd

like no vanish or dance or covenants

you arej ust kinda perma doing the filler rotation

[sullen wyvern]

eh

I hope its good on pvp at least

[wintry solar]

It's holding its own on beta

Not half bad

[sullen wyvern]

Crackshot kinda and removing the combatant pvp talent thing kinda screwed outlaw in pvp

They turned it into discount sub rogue basically

[wintry solar]

I haven't enjoyed it in pvp since the df rework personally

[sullen wyvern]

yeah after crackshot

[wintry solar]

Yeah

[sullen wyvern]

you get ccd during crackshot you do healers damage

or less

its awful

I had a blast with it in shadowlands s23

s2-s3

[wintry solar]

You'll like it

[echo rapids]

should i aim to use evis ata certain combo point? or like when mobs at 20%

[gaunt phoenix]

at high combo points

at your rogue level, 4 or 5

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry LOOK WHAT I DID TO THIS NIDALEE

[elder phoenix]

3 more days boys

[tender rapids]

hi

[frank finch]

its him

[craggy barn]

bro im probably tanking next expac gonna miss rog

[frank finch]

@vivid vessel hey buddy stop ignoring me and update us on the midnight ui pack

[vivid vessel]

no

[frank finch]

unlucky

i believe in you tho

u wont leave us hanging

[gaunt phoenix]

Freedom

[vapid sundial]

The hell you doing in here

Go back to your cat

[tender rapids]

cat ded

want to be a ninja

🥷

[vapid sundial]

Ninja

main theme is gun

@vivid vessel

How doomed is it rn

[vivid vessel]

dead spec

[vapid sundial]

They ruined outlaw

Then enhance was fun.
Then they ruined enhance

Then they ruined outlaw more...

How

I blame @keen belfry

[fresh orchid]

Isn't enhance still really fun? Or you are saying before TWW changes

[vapid sundial]

No I dislike what they did to lightning rod

Completely ruined the class for me

[acoustic hedge]

!ui

[ornate heath]

Outlaw Guides:
Wowhead: https://www.wowhead.com/outlaw-rogue-guide
IV: https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/outlaw-rogue-pve-dps-guide
Method: https://www.method.gg/guides/outlaw-rogue

[acoustic hedge]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[desert tendon]

not playing lethality vayne

also not showing your death, such a 2009 move

very disappointed in you

[quaint mauve]

why would i do that

in a crit meta

[desert tendon]

Because it's fun to have some burst poke

to be fair

ER > stormrazor looks stupid

as long as it's not on hit vayne i happy

My favorite vayne is still hydra > ghostblade

[rigid cliff]

is there a way i can fix my tracked bars to be the normal sliders? no idea how it started to look like this or my roll the bones and blade flurry

[civic meadow]

Yuntal->IE->LDR you literally two auto everyone

Why build anything else ever

[quaint mauve]

bro that auto i hit on nid was so crazy idk

literally 1 auto 50% of her hp

[quaint mauve]

ER -> stormrazor better

2 auto everyone and u get ms

[desert tendon]

Yea i d go with hml build. Yuntal is not it

i need to check what pandore build since he is the only vayne otp adc in high elo

yea, he did fang instead of ie because of the comp

looks like he either go lethality to do some 1200 in one auto, or er storm

[modest tiger]

How’s outlaw looking so far for pre patch?

[gaunt phoenix]

idk tuning but level 80 gameplay is mostly fine, the apex talent helps with energy but in prepatch you can simply get like 30% haste for free

[vapid sundial]

Vayne is in such a weird spot since they went back to crit like this

And her a doesn't apply the extra

[desert tendon]

vayne is absolutely useless right now if you ask me, i would dodge any game with a vayne in my team but since we cant dodge anymore

To me it feels like the best way to ,play her rn is as an assassin

[modest tiger]

Oh wow. So do we not stack 18% haste anymore prebuff?

[gaunt phoenix]

No we are big into crit and haste

[vapid sundial]

Yeah. It sucks bc I was playing a lot of vayne at the end of last season

[modest tiger]

Hmmm ok. I’ll have to do some reading. Hopefully rtb is manageable without WAs

[gaunt phoenix]

You dont need WAs for rotation

just generic buff and cd tracking through the cooldown manager is fine

[elder phoenix]

2 more days

[gaunt phoenix]

ofc there are addons that make it less clunky

[modest tiger]

Sick

[elder phoenix]

You can set up your cd thing

and make it announce or glow up

but it is sti ll pretty clunky

its more appropriate for classes like fire mage or the new dh spec

but for classes like frost dk's ithink youd have a harder time coping

the thing im curious of rn tbh is the assisted highlight

idk if its accurate

havent tested it

[compact mountain]

So I've been trying to kill Ky'veza ?? solo before the pre-patch, I spent around 60 pulls over 4 hours over the last few days, I can do the clones/shuffle practically with my eyes closed, but since the fight was specifically designed to be impossible for Outlaw the fight just drags on and eventually a dagger always hits me. I figured I'd try one-button rotation on Assassination, just to see if it made a difference, and I killed her first try in 6 minutes. I'm both happy I cleared it, and super frustrated that my favourite spec is so fucking broken that it doesn't even compare to literally the lowest level of skilled play of a real spec.

[mighty pivot]

the only issue of outlaw in that fight is that vanish sometimes resets her. Other than that it could survive it easily with s2 gear

[gaunt phoenix]

can see it being harder if not geared

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/milj-milk-skill-issue-spill-issue-spill-gif-25572474

[near pulsar]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[compact mountain]

I figured out if I macro Vanish + Pistol shot it never resets, it's suboptimal sure but better than no vanish at all. The pain was just the daggers eventually screw you over the longer the fight goes on.

[oblique trench]

Does someone know if cloak prevents the dimensius pull mechanism in p3 if it’s used right before the pull begins?

I figured then when I press it during it just does no dmg but still pulls.

My GL wants me to stand outside of the soak to prevent some dmg when ppl maybe stack to close

[bitter jungle]

doesnt that mechanic work by spreading damage through the people inside??

[frank finch]

was snd removed from tracking?

[fallen knot]

ok so on wednesday, i log in, does my game break because of my addons and i have to delete them prior to the login or no?

[fervent garden]

i killed my ElvUI and WA for just that reason. Keeping Details for now. Everything will be bugged for first 24 hours. Patience, she said.

[oblique trench]

I was under the impression that the big circle prevents you getting a big hit + stun and the small around everyone deal dmg to everyone which are touching it

[burnt dragon]

It seems so

I'm trying to recreate this in cooldown manager and SND isn't there

[frank finch]

yea same

[fallen knot]

different question: for kyveza?? , my bran clutters my fucking screen with that yellow ray thing and i keep dying on the shadows, how can i keep him healer and have him not cast that shit spell?

[crystal canopy]

do you have a picture of said ray? isn't that one of the abilities you can slot on him?

[brave lagoon]

Prob the titan orb thing that makes a shield?

[fallen knot]

it's most likely the titan orb

[crystal canopy]

the way I stopped having any issues was by making a weakaura to track the remaining time on the potion

as long as you stagger collecting the potions, you can keep 4 stacks of the potion up permanently

[fallen knot]

i dont care about the healing

i'm not dying to damage

[crystal canopy]

that effectively removes the need to use any defensives at all throughout the fight

[fallen knot]

i'm 729 basically full bis

my problem is visual clutter

[crystal canopy]

do you have anti aliasing turned on?

I think it was anti aliasing

but there was an option that made the ghosts and daggers a lot harder to see when it was turned on

once I turned it off, most of the visual clutter wasn't an issue because the mechanics became more visible

[fallen knot]

i do

[crystal canopy]

yeah it was anti aliasing, I can recommend turning it off for a bit and seeing if it helps

and then lower particle and spell density to essentially the lowest

the titan orb itself can't be turned off iirc, because I think that's the one that proccs when you're somewhat low on hp

[fallen knot]

in some videos i see that they have a red outline, mine dont have it i want that

[vivid vessel]

ye

disable uh

what was it

anti aliasing?

no maybe not

another one

of those settings

maybe it was anti aliasing

[fallen knot]

i disabled it

[random stirrup]

there was some wa that did it

[fallen knot]

it does nothing

[vivid vessel]

well

its that tho

anti aliasing

you need it DISABLED

[fallen knot]

i enabled it and put outline mode on

and now they show

the best thing is to put gamma really high

i now am constantly being flashbanged but at least i see things

[copper radish]

The time has come to return fellow outlaws

[crystal canopy]

oh were both of these required? I swear turning off anti aliasing turned on the red outline for me

my bad, has been a few months since I did the boss 🙁

[fallen knot]

no dw, anti alising i turned off just to be sure, but even with it turned on the red outline showed up

[desert tendon]

@quaint mauve pandore did a new cook. Brk > guinsoo > dusk and dawn > shojin > riftmaker > terminus
shit is unbelivable

playing PTA as well to increase all damage source

[vivid vessel]

sounds like a troll

you just buy a ton of ap items to increase damage instead of buying damage items

[desert tendon]

well

[vivid vessel]

well i could see dusk and dawn

but riftmaker

souinds troll

[desert tendon]

it increase W damage

which is increased by pta

which is increased by shojin

[vivid vessel]

does w not scale with ad ?

[desert tendon]

which is procced every Q because of dusk

[vivid vessel]

aswell

or

[desert tendon]

W does not have any scaling iirc

[vivid vessel]

ye i dont remember if it does

maybe it doesnt

but still

rift seems weird

i can see dusk and dawn for the passive

and it still gives as

[desert tendon]

well he is at 11 wins 0 loss with the build

yea it doesnt scale at all

and hp

[vivid vessel]

on what account

tho aps items are very cheap

[desert tendon]

yes

[vivid vessel]

idk if that one is also cheap or not

[desert tendon]

that s why apc are better than adc currently

[vivid vessel]

compared to ad equivalents

[desert tendon]

they get to 6 items faster

[vivid vessel]

on what ;account does he play

[desert tendon]

speed demon iirc

he still prefer er > storm tho

in most cases

[vivid vessel]

there is no games with taht build

on that account

[desert tendon]

was earlier this season

when he reached mastah

[vivid vessel]

well if he stopped playing the build

it prolly wasnt good eh

[desert tendon]

i found it fun

[vivid vessel]

if q had an ap scaling

or r

its a bit unfortunate

vayne doesnt have any ap scaling

only e i think

[desert tendon]

nah vayne is no ap scaling at all

anywhere

she s one of these char like darius

dude i love new season so much

i just ignore all my teammates

i afk farm jungle

i m 2 level ahead of anyone at 20mn

[ripe ibex]

her q has ap scaling

[desert tendon]

and i penta sidelanes

[ripe ibex]

like 50% i think

[desert tendon]

oh yea

they reworked that back then

that s true

[ripe ibex]

ye doesn’t really matter

[ripe ibex]

just makes rageblade a bit better

[desert tendon]

50% ap is a lot

[vivid vessel]

huge wtf !

[random stirrup]

powerfarmers eating good

[dawn talon]

u can purchase literally any item in the game on vayne rn

[random stirrup]

i played like 2 games of karthus and was thanos

[ripe ibex]

wait zac plays league?

[desert tendon]

115% total ad is also a lot

[random stirrup]

that champ is crazy

this season

[desert tendon]

also

[vivid vessel]

a bit this season

[desert tendon]

on my funnel account i have so much fun

[dawn talon]

there's no way

[desert tendon]

yi, diana, belveth

[vivid vessel]

i have been playing league for a long time tho

[dawn talon]

u are playing earlyseason funnel

[desert tendon]

all so good

[vivid vessel]

like 10 years

[dawn talon]

in 2026?

[vivid vessel]

just never actually played it

[random stirrup]

on your WHAT account??

[dawn talon]

welcome back silencee

[desert tendon]

i m playing funnel every season

more like welcome back sinerias

real knows

[dawn talon]

i wanted to be at least kinda nice

[desert tendon]

i watched some silencee on wow

was fun

bro is so toxic

[dawn talon]

i got flamed by silencee for saying hi

one of a kind person

[vivid vessel]

he plays warrior no ?

[desert tendon]

he does

[vivid vessel]

ye i did some keys with him

I like league cause even when you dont play the game

watching league is fun

[elder phoenix]

1 more day

[vivid vessel]

stfu moot

[elder phoenix]

then i can delete weakauras LETS GO

[dawn talon]

there's just like

0 streamers to watch

[desert tendon]

yea they re doing so much stuff

[dawn talon]

anymore

[desert tendon]

when is df s3 classic?

call me whenever it s up

ty

[dawn talon]

what am i going to watch ? thebaus?

[random stirrup]

rat

[vivid vessel]

for league ?

[copper radish]

ONE MORE DAY

[desert tendon]

watchin agurin

[vivid vessel]

i feel like there is infintie streamers wdym

[dawn talon]

i legit

refuse

to watch agurin

i hate that fucking bum so much

omg

[copper radish]

You didn’t delete them at announcement? SMH you not a chad

[random stirrup]

[vivid vessel]

agurin, natynatt, alois, drutt, rat

idk i dont remember others rn

[dawn talon]

druttut and i

do not get along

[desert tendon]

sometimes i watch some eva

[dawn talon]

historically

xdd

[desert tendon]

support is fun to watch

ngl

[elder phoenix]

HECK YEAH brutha finally free of the weakaura type addons.

[desert tendon]

also

watch lec

[vivid vessel]

?

moot

[desert tendon]

maynter is really toes suckable

ngl

[vivid vessel]

you are legit stupid

you will have

[dawn talon]

i only watch lpl games usually

[vivid vessel]

the same type of shit

just as addon forms

[desert tendon]

i mostly watch lck

[vivid vessel]

so its gonna be even more annoying

to keep track of and maintain

[desert tendon]

lec lcs are

[vivid vessel]

i watch lec cause i know people

and then t1 games

[desert tendon]

who do u know

do they know u?

[vivid vessel]

no i mean

[desert tendon]

who are u?

[vivid vessel]

i know players

i dont mean i know them

personally

[elder phoenix]

ngl watching wow players stream M+ or raid unless its race to world first and only at the last boss is boring af

[desert tendon]

i know more lck players than lec

like the fnc lineup

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i guess its mostly

[desert tendon]

i know only vlad and upset

[vivid vessel]

KC G2

otherwise idc

so ye

[elder phoenix]

like watching people play classic wow is literally watching paint dry. like these people pretend they never done it before too jsut for clicks and its kinda funny. like twin you did that multiple times already why you acting surprise?

[desert tendon]

the gap will be so insane this year

korea is such ahead

they ahve coach talk ingame

[vivid vessel]

i mean

its always ahead

[desert tendon]

they have no duoQ in master+ still

they had bo3 games for longer

[dawn talon]

bro im ngl

[desert tendon]

they had fearless first

[dawn talon]

just keep duoq in master

[elder phoenix]

like i wish WoW focus'd more on the PVP side instead of the PVE side imo. Atleast watching arenas is FUN

[dawn talon]

idc anymore

[vivid vessel]

ye idk why lec isnt boe 3 aswell rn

boe 1 are ..

weirdge

[desert tendon]

duoQ will inflate so many players

[vivid vessel]

guys why is moot talking to himself rn

[desert tendon]

korean servers are the only relevant server now

[dawn talon]

bro

everyone is inflated anyway

[desert tendon]

happy i ll be 2 month in korea this summer again

[dawn talon]

250lp and 1500lp

look the same

[desert tendon]

let s get shiddon again on this server

where i m stuck master 100lp all my life

u remember the d2 gate back then?

[dawn talon]

i legit don't think anything has ever made me more miserable in my life

[desert tendon]

it's worse there

[dawn talon]

than playing 1000 games in s9

in master

[desert tendon]

oh boy

this season my lp gain is weird

i m at 65% winrate but +14 -25

[vivid vessel]

what

thats not even possible

[desert tendon]

well

trust

[vivid vessel]

everyone starts at +30 - 10

[dawn talon]

bro

what the fuck

did u do?

[vivid vessel]

you onlky go down if you chain lose

[desert tendon]

i dont go down

i just stuck

🤷‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

you chain losed no ?

[desert tendon]

whatever

[dawn talon]

wait did u end last season decayed af

[desert tendon]

i had a 10 lose streak

[vivid vessel]

yes

[desert tendon]

but i also had a 25 win streak

[vivid vessel]

thats how it happens

well

[desert tendon]

so you know

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt go up the same way

after it went down

[desert tendon]

it is what it is

[vivid vessel]

if you do a 10 lose streak

[desert tendon]

i wanna play more funnel but my duo is away

[vivid vessel]

especially at like 0 lp of a rank

with the thing

where you cant decay lower rank

its kidna funny

[elder phoenix]

naw i have costum weakauras i made personally for my rogue and hunter. not gonna delete them unless theyre useless after all that time i took to make em

[dawn talon]

those games are insane

[desert tendon]

yea because your dont lose cr but you lose mmr

[dawn talon]

bc u legit queue and don't gaf

at all

[elder phoenix]

custom*

[vivid vessel]

im more efrraid to lose when on these games bro

[elder phoenix]

which is why im glad I dont have to do that shit after tomorrow LETS FUCKKIINN GOOOO

[desert tendon]

yes we dont give a f

[dawn talon]

i tiltqueued to d4 last season and just started playing my

15% wr sylas

[vivid vessel]

if you lose one game its legit -2 lp every loss

[dawn talon]

idc anymore

[vivid vessel]

on your mmr thing

[dawn talon]

just put me in the next one

[vivid vessel]

then its gg

[desert tendon]

my worst lose streak was in s8

i remember i went from 400lp

[dawn talon]

s8 almost made me end my shit

[desert tendon]

to plat 1

or emerald 1

idk if it was already there

[dawn talon]

emerald didn't exist yet

[desert tendon]

what a fun time

idk if i can find the screenshot of my opgg

[dawn talon]

i was playing collegiate in s8

[desert tendon]

it was bloody red

[dawn talon]

and had to play

entier split of sej gragas

i woke up every single day trying to decide if it was even worth it

what 700 games of tank junglers does to you

[desert tendon]

oh yea

i tried once to play competitively

had to play weak junglers

and give up my stuff to help lanes

i insta quitted

you cant ask that to a yi main

i need my full clears

[dawn talon]

idc about playing supportively but i want to play eve nida rengar

i do not want to be playing

sejuani

[desert tendon]

right now i m waiting for yi buffs

so i m enjoying a lot diana gwen

[dawn talon]

go back to when midlaners were buying glp twin shadow

[desert tendon]

shit is madman

[dawn talon]

and following u around the map

[desert tendon]

how are they not nerfing diana

[dawn talon]

shhhh

diana briar voli

elo potion

[desert tendon]

btw guys

let s stay on topic

i just saw something

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_9iiC5lQvc

this dude

wtf

is that

gorgeous

[frank finch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ANxhAsJXVqo

[ripe ibex]

sin/sub rogue players liking outlaw is not a good sign

[frank finch]

he gassing outlaw like crazy in the start

[untold wadi]

lol why is the title so different

[frank finch]

lol idk

[gaunt phoenix]

jumpscare at 33:27

[untold wadi]

12:44

[trim harbor]

why

[alpine pelican]

recession indicator

[frank finch]

"outlaw feels so polished"

"incredable spec"

[desert tendon]

whispyr saying i love outlaw

wtf

is this timeline

@vivid vessel thought?

pretty sure he does that just to keep assa in the shadow and get buffs, frfr

"outlaw so polished, everything is working" @vivid vessel ?

[vivid vessel]

[copper radish]

Tell em how you feel

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/wie8BaS.jpeg WAIT HOLD UP does this mean i dont have to have DBM cuz its just a reskin???

THANK FUCK

FINNA be runnin with 1 or 2 addons about fucking damn time

https://i.imgur.com/U8PsPDA.jpeg

really hope blizzard nukes MRT and everything it does too fuck that dont want mrt note on my screen ever again

[copper radish]

Yes

[frail veldt]

so its not just WA

[copper radish]

NephUI the best one on this list

[elder phoenix]

i used to use icehud when i was like 12

Lol

cuz i liked the ironman type hud

but everytime i change computers or reinstall the game or game fucks up where my WTF folder is cooked

I had to redo all of that shit

[copper radish]

Save a backup WTF to the cloud. Life saver moves

[elder phoenix]

well i didnt do that when iw as 12

i started doing that later on though

fun fact

if your uploading your shit to the cloud while still in game

and if you log out

WHILE its uploading

you will fuck up your ui 🙂

learned that the hard way during echooes of nelth

or even reloading while your shit is uploading

it will fuck shit up

[vapid sundial]

Nu uh, I'm an elvui lover

[lime lake]

good thing nephui is just some dudes elvui profile he made into its own addon

[vapid sundial]

Yeah but what If I used my own elvui profile

[lime lake]

https://tenor.com/view/jail-believe-it-or-not-believe-it-or-not-jail-parks-and-rec-gif-3275634010746838096

[tepid star]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[warped tide]

can some clever person explain how i import a cd manager stiring in to wow?

[quaint mauve]

bro i love monopoly

played a 4 hour monopoly game yesterday

[untold wadi]

i hope i can still create a horizontal gcd bar

played w that for 3 years idk how to go back to the radial thing

[frail veldt]

You prob can with an addon id imagine

Just have to find the right one

[pastel fern]

Hey all. I'm thinking of swapping to outlaw from sin. My question is is it better to use swords or one sword and one dagger? Thank you for any help

[wintry solar]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[wintry solar]

It goes to a 1% increase tomorrow

[pastel fern]

Thank you

[agile quiver]

is there a replacement for the current Smart Tricks macro?

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[untold wadi]

u can do macros with player names

if u wanna never misclick with a mouseover macro

[haughty moat]

ohhhhh no more auto tricks.......fuck i just realised that oh boy 💀

im gonna be perma dead -.-

[untold wadi]

so much taken for granted

[empty patrol]

[empty patrol]

true rogues dont discriminate

everything is rogue

[copper radish]

Soon

Outlaw gaming is back

[fallen knot]

chat what do i do, do i clean install wow tomorrow for prepatch and backup my WTF or do i just go in raw and hope the game does not break too much?

[thorn parrot]

It never left 😎

[harsh wolf]

Is outlaw any good in pvp?

[glass mortar]

who knows in preseason

if its super overtuned it might be, otherwise no

[harsh wolf]

So normally not?

[glass mortar]

uh well what do u mean by normally

like over the history of the game?

usually sub is the best pvp spec, sin is ok and the most approachable, outlaw varies from nearly unplayable to more rarely the best rogue spec

in s3 i believe sin was the best overall pvp spec for ur general player, sub and outlaw both saw play on the ladder in specific comps

no clue what itll be in midnight

[harsh wolf]

Guess I'll just stick to sub then 🤔 Outlaw is cooler, but I mainly play pvp

[glass mortar]

if outlaw is good itll be because its overtuned

u lost about half ur pvp toolkit that kept you in comps that sub would be in

[copper radish]

It’s been pretty good in pvp since SL. It’ll be diff now without defensive CDR. And without being able to spam cheap that’s gonna hurt

[astral wind]

The highest rated player on the 3v3 leaderboard currently is an outlaw rogue

[glass mortar]

ladder is not the same as random players pvping but sure

on live u can swap sub and outlaw depending on what exact things u want because they both have similar amounts of setup for their comps

not the case in midnight :p

[knotty needle]

yeah i mean if lebron wore a specific brand of shoe it wouldnt make that shoe the best brand ya know

[astral wind]

Sure - but he asked if it was good. Wouldn't be able to be played at that level if it were bad.

[glass mortar]

it has good cc

[vivid vessel]

idk

[glass mortar]

for ur average player they would not have had fun trying to play outlaw in more casual pvp this season

[vivid vessel]

the best rogue in pve in keys rn is outlaw

[glass mortar]

u were playing a support class

[vivid vessel]

and outlaw is pretty shit

might be the worse it ever been

by far

[glass mortar]

ye its pretty bad

crackshot made it so even when damage is bad outlaws still more viable then is was in past seasons tho, u can put it in sub comps and have it do setup for the team

shame thats gone

[crude flower]

!bugs

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[gaunt phoenix]

Midnight Directory

1. Playstyle/talent overview

• TLDR: New RTB, all stealth stuff is gone. Energy is rough.

2. Builds for both pre-patch and beta

• TLDR: Trickster pre-patch, Fatebound beta.

3. Stats Info

• TLDR: We love crit. Crit > Haste* >> Vers >> Mastery. Pre-patch wants over 30% haste, beta should approach ~25% and fall off. Sim should work.

4. Rotation priority

• TLDR: Mostly you filler rotation from years past.

5. Bug list

Wowhead guide by @cinder relic is good too, it has cooldown manager imports.

[glass mortar]

did the new builder rules not make it in, i see PS from 1-3 cp

or wait is that only fatebound because it gets more CP from procs

yea it was fatebound only ignore me

[gaunt phoenix]

It is a minmax for fatebound with deal fate and stage 2 RTB. I should stick it somewhere, it is basically the only minmax we have

[glass mortar]

of course it is

[empty patrol]

[keen belfry]

KIR minmax!

[crude flower]

Rat!
RAT

[copper radish]

Oh my god it’s happening this is about to become the midnight outlaw channel

[past falcon]

advanced faq section looking a little thin 🫣🫣🫣

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah. Midnight launch might have a little one, for now it's not necessary

[sacred rune]

like the style

does this means !rtb needs to be reworked?

[gaunt phoenix]

lol yeah. end of an era

[sacred rune]

(i am joking i tested outlaw on beta on dummy shortly already, it felt okay to play)

[gaunt phoenix]

at least my rotation is longer than yours

[glass mortar]

im glad the standard for specs in a brand new expansion is just "feels ok to play" now a day 🥹

but not surprising given the state of beta

[hardy thicket]

remember when they disabled all the corruptions and launched pre-patch for SL

im going to assume its like that but 10x worse

[sacred rune]

I hope you appreciate the effort i put into this

[gaunt phoenix]

i was looking at this

[copper radish]

Sub lookin ez

[timid badger]

step 1: pop cooldowns
step 2: vibe

[sacred rune]

the format i use is just more wordly, because e.g. "use finisher in this order", "use builder in this order" is both good to get higher amount of lines

[keen belfry]

fuu

how the hell do u ignore darknest night

sounds like a oopsies outta blizz

i saw BP actually fucks hto

its basically an evis

[random stirrup]

if it were an oopsie, you'd think they would have changed it since tww beta

[lime lake]

Mass casualty was their attempt at fixing it

Really worked well

[keen belfry]

the only TWW beta here is you @random stirrup

[random stirrup]

wadahelly?

[keen belfry]

im the midnight alpha.

[sacred rune]

because bp does good damage now

so at a certain point it is worth it to not play dn

[keen belfry]

deez nuts

imagine the cp you get with dn

sub rogues be ignoring their hero talent capstone in aoe while watching christian bale as gothams masked hero, boy you worried about the wrong dark knight

mehhhhh

my bad

[gaunt phoenix]

who ping pong

[random stirrup]

im glad alacrity was changed

[glass mortar]

why is it even less now tho

[random stirrup]

cringe talent

[glass mortar]

not that it rlly mattered i guess

feels like everytime they change it is just less haste tho lmao

better then the 99% uptime can randomly fall off for no reason whatsoever tho ye

[random stirrup]

it made me upset at the start of key/after downtime

gcd felt noticably slower

[keen belfry]

what if energ so bad on prepatch that bliz fixes energy

[copper radish]

Sounds like a fever dream

[keen belfry]

and um what if ummmmm

ummmmm

[copper radish]

Imagine they fix it for prepatch if it’s bad then we get too much energy in midnight and get auto nerfed week 1

[fallen knot]

how much time before wow comes up for our NA friends? i want to see how fucked the game is to prepare for tomorrow

[glass mortar]

anywhere from 3-12 hours

[fallen knot]

i see

[elder phoenix]

should i delete weakauras now or when the game goes live

TODAYS THE DAY BOYS

FREEDOM

[livid oasis]

I'vew just reinstalled wow ahead of MN tomorrow - I stupidly didn't save the d1 texture from Tom elvis's WA pack - anyone got the old link for his WA pack so i can grab that for my new UI ?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[untold wadi]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[livid oasis]

hero!

thank you ❤️

[proven ocean]

Dont be shocked when u login to midnight and all of it is gone

[livid oasis]

haha

[copper radish]

He ain’t joking cause in a few hours WAs are gone lol

[livid oasis]

Yeah i've downlaoded it now

straight into dropbox

[keen belfry]

@quaint mauve @dawn talon im an ekko player.

[dawn talon]

EVERYBODY is an ekko player this patch man

yo im a diana player guys

[keen belfry]

ekko is quite op

[elder phoenix]

im not planning on having any addons when i log in

as it should

[proven ocean]

Didnt ask

[elder phoenix]

Thats okay, i like to inform you anyway regardless

[covert kestrel]

wow you're so brave!

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/VGdL5AX.jpeg someone has to lead the way. ill take that charge if i have too

cant wait to delete these

[covert kestrel]

Yeah a bag addon is what was really holding wow back, you're gonna be so free

[copper radish]

Baganator better anyways

[elder phoenix]

canon fodder tbh, the mains ones the top ones that every guild will tell you that you should have them installed.

now they cant

lol

[craggy ocean]

I did a fresh install and just preinstalled baganator

[elder phoenix]

cuz they dont work like they used too anymore

[craggy ocean]

I looked at the bags on beta and I can't do non categorized bags

[covert kestrel]

"oh no more information for my video game! when will these guilds stop being so insane and demanding!"

[elder phoenix]

Dont complain to me, blizzard thinks the same way thank fuck tho 🤷‍♂️

[brave lagoon]

I too cant wait to remove leatrix so that my greys aren't sold automatically

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/G2oTi6V.jpeg lol i cant believe people still download and install recount tho

for it to be in the top 8 most downloaded addon

[copper radish]

Leatrix is staying right???

[craggy ocean]

it is, yes

[brave lagoon]

I was memeing ye

Cuz it was in the screenshot above

[delicate seal]

sorted was bis

[copper radish]

Add it to the add on graveyard 😭

[delicate seal]

It should be able to work afaik

with very minor updates

[delicate seal]

a lot of it is legacy though

[copper radish]

Recount was always the better one anyways change my mind

[elder phoenix]

fuck no

skada was

RIP SKADA

[delicate seal]

also a lot of it is for classic

@recount

[copper radish]

Recount was the first addon I ever DLd way back in vanilla molten core

[delicate seal]

recount really completes the vanilla vibes

[elder phoenix]

lol mine was dbm for onyxia during wrath

[copper radish]

First MC run ever got nightslayer helm and then the GM threatened me to stay in the guild lol

[elder phoenix]

i was 9 or 10 my little moonkin ina 25 man onyxia LOL

[past fern]

cant choose between assa and outlaw, both look neat "playstyle wise"

[lime plank]

So going from sin to outlaw can't share most gear even subs stats are different

[gaunt phoenix]

You should mostly be able to share gear except rings and necks

that's where the bulk of stats are anyway

[covert kestrel]

play both! not like either take a lot to learn these days

[lime plank]

Wonder if its worth changing jt everything i have is mastery vers

[past fern]

wrll. Fair enough. I plan on maining rogue anyways. Might aswell

Also this annoying bug on discord android... The text box ia underneath the keyboard. wtf

And it happens all the time

[quaint mauve]

buying a new microphone need recs

[glass mortar]

hopefully it does more then just record but thats a good baseline to start with for a microphone 🥰

[covert kestrel]

i use a 10 dollar lapel mic from amazon

https://a.co/d/hH6n4pG

10 for 2! what a deal

[clever flame]

@static siren

[copper radish]

Has the 3pm banner changed yet

[lime lake]

recently they wait until the last 20 minutes to extend

new meta

[knotty needle]

is that so im expectting them to extend it 10 minutes after its meant to already be over

[frail veldt]

midnight thread dead

rip

[desert tendon]

where is my midnight outlaw channel 😠

[knotty needle]

now we are the midnight thread

[desert tendon]

where do i doom now

[glass mortar]

Wtf never 4get what whispyr stole from u

[covert kestrel]

When mods delete midnight channels

[copper radish]

😭

We back baby

[untold wadi]

kilt

[elder phoenix]

1 more hour boys

1 more hour

😄

[patent mirage]

Soon

It's time

[covert kestrel]

jundies plater profile is back thank yeezus

[fathom bramble]

it'll get delayed for another 3

[copper radish]

lol

[prime vessel]

1 more hour for NA?

[copper radish]

If it says 3pm pst we lucky to be on by 5pm pst

[knotty needle]

hour + 3 extensions im sure

[copper radish]

What game breaking bug is about to go live? Remix toons w full ilvl and artifacts working or something

[fathom bramble]

remix toons got deleted yesterday with no errors

shouldn't see any problems on that front

[copper radish]

Nice they did something right

[covert kestrel]

something is gonna be forgotten in the squish is a free square

cant wait for some random fishing pole from WoD to one shot dimmy

[fathom bramble]

some random consumable from 10 years ago

[mighty pivot]

whispyr he took the channels from us

[vestal notch]

the darkmoon pot giving you wa back

[sacred rune]

https://x.com/WeakAuras/status/2013664062295396846?s=20

WeakAuras (@WeakAuras)

o7, it's been our pleasure! We'll see you in (the) classic(s)

X · Jan 20, 2026, 5:24 PM

[frail veldt]

sadge

WA was such a homie

carried us through so many tough times

rip friend

[covert kestrel]

the goat

[frail veldt]

honestly

[indigo token]

is prepatch up

[knotty needle]

in like 35 minutes + 3 extensions

[indigo token]

yay

[knotty needle]

or if the stars align and the servers dont set alight, only the 35 minutes

but who are we really kidding right?

[gaunt phoenix]

Naxx out

[knotty needle]

speak of the devil, +1 extension

now its 2 hours 32 minutes + 2 extensions

[keen belfry]

extended baby

[indigo token]

aint no wayyy

[knotty needle]

you new here or something this is the usual on patch days

[frank finch]

8pm my time is nasty work

[lime lake]

8 pm your time so far

[frank finch]

[knotty needle]

tomorrow 2 am, take it or leave it

[frail veldt]

yeah I mean considering the depth of the pre patch changes this is gona be a big one

[frank finch]

biggest/important patch in recent memory

[frail veldt]

literally fixing wow

[hearty stump]

hopium infusion taking longer then anticipated

[copper radish]

Ima be Reddit scrolling ready to find out

Launcher says 5pm pst now 😭

[limpid flower]

Where do I talk to Chromie to skip time

[lime lake]

my homie eternus wouldve had patch live by now

[hearty stump]

theyve also pushed the timer and then brought the servers up like 15 minutes later before so you never know

[copper radish]

Server list is up

This might happen early

[untold wadi]

isnt it just outside that heritage building north side of SW

under that tree

[hearty stump]

I think they mean irl

[mighty pivot]

guys... where is #tlt-outlaw? have the mods not made channels for the next expansion yet?

[elder phoenix]

guys

guys

is it time to delete weakauras?

https://i.imgur.com/aeDYemD.jpeg

in 2 hours

[copper radish]

You didn’t delete them at announcement u not a true hater

[low glade]

any details on the new enhancement rogue spec?

excited to play it

[cinder relic]

You fuck up on 1 page

[fathom bramble]

think about it this way

if this is what 1 fuck up looks like you must not be fucking up very often

[vestal notch]

if it helps, fuu also made the enhacement mistake guy

in fact its still like that for sub rogue guide

[lime lake]

ayo wtf

[vestal notch]

im excited for doom winds with sectech

[lime lake]

sub no longer relying on a shaman to bring windfury for them

[vestal notch]

no subhacement rogue doesnt get skyfury

it gets doom winds

and thats it

[copper radish]

enhancement rogue sounds catchy

[vestal notch]

subhacement*

[copper radish]

imagine having the chance to proc extra wep swings on rogue

[vestal notch]

bc we dont bring skyfury

[copper radish]

oh wait MG.....

[vestal notch]

so we dont enhace

you also get a 5 target cap on blade flurry bc bf=chain lighting

[indigo token]

YOOOO

[elder phoenix]

lol just tried aff locks

in beta

and its doing bonkers dps

tf

[cinder relic]

Patch is live

[low glade]

real?

[frank finch]

no

[lime lake]

ur mom is live

[copper radish]

servers still offline

30min to go

[low glade]

green name baiting

crazy

[copper radish]

X repost ? XD

[pure folio]

idk my friend sent it to me on discord and i thought it was funny :)

[elder phoenix]

TIME TO DELETE

LETS GO

[cinder relic]

Hey thats my meme

[vapid sundial]

My tire list of which of the 3 specs is better

Then play outlaw even tho it's f tier anyway

[wintry solar]

Real

[vapid sundial]

9.2 never forget

[wintry solar]

[vapid sundial]

I got sad for playing law and went to a different guild

Sat*

[wintry solar]

They shrimply just don't understand the greatness that outlaw bestows upon a hurt soul.

[vapid sundial]

It's okay that guild didn't get ce

The one I joined did

[wintry solar]

Wow what a coincidence

.>

They would've got it had you not been sat

[vapid sundial]

I think...
Jailer is the only ce boss I didn't get poached for and actually had to prog

Oh

The bird

Fire bird

Mr fry lock

Every other boss I got yoinked

[pearl topaz]

Wheres the fun in that lol

[vapid sundial]

Better guild

Idk

I mean it's an all eyes on you situation

You need to perform

So ig there's that

[tight kernel]

So do I just delete my addon folder?

[agile quiver]

Hoodwink, Flashing Steel, and Clever Combatant are the new Hero Talents, right?

[frank finch]

extended again

[agile quiver]

only by an hour this time, at least

[hearty stump]

[agile quiver]

my expectations were low, and I'm still disappointed

™

[mighty pivot]

ty NA bros for your sacrifice

[random stirrup]

the nice part of not being excited for prepatch is not being upset over maintenance extension!

[wintry solar]

Worst prepatch ever (im bed ridden)