wdym bro we got a tumbleweed animation now! 
#outlaw
limpid isle
long barn
Sooo. I just press buttons in whatever order? Like same order over and over? No procs or anything to track? Just when a spell is off CD you just press it?
gaunt phoenix
Sooo. I just press buttons in whatever order? Like same order over and over? No ...
you can still track rudimentary buffs e.g. #midnight-subtlety message
peak dock
should I save my 730 sacbrood for MN? or is it too tryhard?
crude anchor
should I save my 730 sacbrood for MN? or is it too tryhard?
prob gonna be outdated, but u can keep it and see what happens, doesn't cost u anything
ornate wren
When coming out of stealth and still in my Subterfuge window. What should I be using? Spamming SS and Dispatch?
gaunt phoenix
When coming out of stealth and still in my Subterfuge window. What should I be u...
In midnight you don't take the subterfuge talent
ornate wren
Sorry. I was talking for now.
gaunt phoenix
Oh i thought this was midnight channel
ornate wren
it just says spec discussion. I was looking for a general channel. Sorry if this isnt the right one
gaunt phoenix
You build combo points according to the builder priority and spend them on between the eyes
Because of the Crackshot talent
Between the eyes has no cooldown during subterfuge
ornate wren
ohhh damn. Thats sick
gaunt phoenix
it just says spec discussion. I was looking for a general channel. Sorry if this...
It was my mistake not yours
ornate wren
Haha fair enough. I'm new in this channel so I didnt want to assume I had it right
peak dock
https://www.wowhead.com/item=171493/rod-of-the-sun-king
got this sh1t from black temple, might be useful on prepatch (?
frail veldt
sounds op lol
wraith linden
Can anyone help me out, considering changing specs. I am finding I am loosing to dps in both aoe and single target. Capped aoe seems to hurt
The higher the key the more my dps is dropping
gaunt phoenix
outlaw just isnt great this season
ornate wren
I' haven't spent much time on Pure DPS classes. Is it a generally accepted rule that you play whichever spec is performing the best? Or do you guys tend to stick to what you like best?
gaunt phoenix
you should play what you enjoy
but not many people get CE by one-tricking outlaw
if you are slamming mythic prog then you should be aware of how the 3 specs will do on prog for different bosses
Like progging dimenius with outlaw is trolling
royal ermine
gaunt phoenix
ornate wren
you should play what you enjoy
Oh for sure. I'm just asking generally. My guild stops at AotC. We only run heroic. So it's not really a "hard meta" question. More a question of the general vibe of a pure dps class
frail veldt
I think it depends on the class
Warlocks tend to play whichever spec is best
Hunter I see swaps between BM and mm but not always surv even if it's good
wraith linden
outlaw just isnt great this season
Should I switch spec or class
frail veldt
Feral and boomkin usually doesn't mix in my experience
lime lake
fury warriors will play arms but will spend the entire fight prog complaining about it
frail veldt
I think there's less rogue players who alt outlaw than there are outlaws who alt to one of the other two specs
gaunt phoenix
Should I switch spec or class
The game is getting completely upended in 14 days
frail veldt
fury warriors will play arms but will spend the entire fight prog complaining ab...
Yeah that's another easy switch
gaunt phoenix
Dont worry
frail veldt
Partly cuz outlaw is rarely worth alting
gaunt phoenix
ye but then you have to gear and learn a different spec only for it to change again
torn nest
Hey guys, is fatebound or trickster better in Midnight beta?
covert kestrel
I am just maxing out my rogue as much as i can rn for new season
You're gonna get quest greens in the first hr of the new expac that will be better than current mythic gear
wraith linden
You're gonna get quest greens in the first hr of the new expac that will be bett...
I gotta make up a reason to keep playing
gaunt phoenix
Hey guys, is fatebound or trickster better in Midnight beta?
fatebound it seems
no sims just vibes
torn nest
also is it better to play Killing Spree or reduce BtE cd by 5 seconds
gaunt phoenix
bte
torn nest
how about lethality & cold blooded killer vs supercharger & forced induction
gaunt phoenix
Cold blood is thought to be better but it's bugged
willow talon
Hey guys, is fatebound or trickster better in Midnight beta?
theres a bug currently with auto attacking and fatebound and everybody is using trickster
hoping it gets fixed
arctic merlin
hello, i've enjoyed outlaw on and off for the past couple of years. i find the idea behind the spec nice and i find the gameplay very fun with being quick and reacting. i don't enjoy keep it rolling builds, i like more shooting and slashing rather than focusing on the rng aspect (even though it's fun to an extent). i've gone through most of the changes in midnight, but could someone advise me if i should pick it up. that is if it's still the same fantasy of shooting and slashing and if it has some flaws that make it unfun like the potential energy issue that i read in a discussion on wowhead
willow talon
arctic merlin
i'll be so sad if keep it rolling is the way to go, it made me drop the spec because i personally found no fun in the gameplay with it
frail veldt
i'll be so sad if keep it rolling is the way to go, it made me drop the spec bec...
Even if the new keep it rolling is taken, there isnt really any gameplay to it
theyve heavily simplified roll the bones and there is no count the odds procs
so you just have one buff that has 4 levels and thats all
KiR if used will likely have simple use cases
and will behave nothing like the current one tbh
arctic merlin
makes sense since as you say roll the bones was revamped
i think the spec looks promising and fun in midnight, unless there's something i'm missing?
hardy thicket
Well its entirely subjective but Outlaw in Midnight is just a whole different spec. They slowed it down quite a lot and made it less complex. You just gotta try it and see if you like it.
ornate wren
There will be plenty of time to test out the changes in the prepatch. Just have an alt ready so you can try it out.
Theres still more than a week of remix if you don't have one ready. It's SUPER fast leveling.
timber flame
Do you guys use any add ons to help with rotation? Ive been a bit worried that my focus will be on optimum rotation in raids rather than keeping an eye on what I should be doing to survive.
gaunt phoenix
most ppl use weakauras to show all your procs/cooldowns/buffs succinctly in the middle of your screen
timber flame
Yeah ive heard of that. Ill check it out
gaunt phoenix
but weakauras are being deleted in 13 days
so will have to use new addons to replicate the behavior
timber flame
Well thats bloody helpful...
gaunt phoenix
and the blizzard cooldown manager thing
timber flame
Do we know what that will be? I tried rogue power bars but it just caused a shit load of addon bugs
gaunt phoenix
there are some examples of people's UI on the beta #midnight-subtlety message
but generally UI stuff will be confusing/uncertain while the dust settles
timber flame
I am always quite minimalistic with my addons, bartender4 and bagnon, recount. Thats pretty much it. But would like to update it all a little if it doesnt get too messy.
frail veldt
i think the spec looks promising and fun in midnight, unless there's something i...
yeah it depends what you like about current outlaw. In midnight we are losing around 20-30 apm and have a lot more simplified kit which is similar to what a lot of specs received going into midnight. We have some other troubling changes like losses of defensives and mobility that could hurt the spec a lot. But if you hated things like vanish as a rotational button, crackshot, or high adr uptime then you might be happy with Midnight. Its a lot more about what we lost than what we gained(which is mostly nothing). So if youre happy with the things we lost cuz you diidnt like them then you will probably like midnight
arctic merlin
I was happy with crackshot, actually. Esp after they made it so between the eyes resets when you enter stealth as well
But honestly might be worth the loss if bad things also got removed
lucid sandal
Yeah I will miss crackshot dearly
Getting 6-7 in a row really gave me a rush of dopamine
Season 2 tww outlaw was so fun
arctic merlin
Getting 6-7 in a row really gave me a rush of dopamine
Generally dislike rng but the several procs was just enough to keep it very fun
copper radish
Getting 6-7 in a row really gave me a rush of dopamine
67? God itβs transcended all walks of life
lucid sandal
crude flower
Does anyone have the crackshot/ace BtE sound effect
the gun cock one
Nvm found it
I think
thorny zinc
I swear someone posted it today in the midnight channel I think
bronze wadi
my cope is with all of the specs being stripped back to super basic is they can rebuild each one better without being where we are now with each ability having 15 different modifiers in the talent tree
quaint mauve
home made build
wintry solar
That's pretty tame compared to what I've seen
untold wadi
was just dicking around doing 2s on alts and he was fighting for his life against the healer
lol
i suggested he zone out and take crackshot
to no avail 
fuck i didnt check if he took subterfuge 
knotty needle
That's pretty tame compared to what I've seen
if that's tame compared to what youve seen im concerned about what youve seen
wintry solar
if that's tame compared to what youve seen im concerned about what youve seen
They were one of those players that clicked on talents that had cool icons
Which tbf
I'm rather envious of that
You think they care if outlaw gets M+ invites or not?
The dream to just click on cool icons
fervent garden
it's like my wife picking the super bowl winner based on the pretty uniforms.
quaint mauve
I'm rather envious of that
thats what i do when im leveling
untold wadi
i try to try evreything
when leveling new spec
but u level so fucking fast now
its hard
glass mortar
crackshot was actually a banger for leveling ngl
but thats mostly accidental since it frontloaded ur power enough that almost any quest mob would die in your opener crackshot window
if you ever actually needed to vanish on stuff it was ass
glass mortar
yea ok censi gunna just use a token to boost to level 90 in midnight on release i guess
desert tendon
Yes
wintry solar
Smh
covert kestrel
Compact discord scares me
potent ore
does atrophic posion reduce ALL dmg a boss does?
potent ore
@sacred rune you know everything right
crimson spade
hi guys,
how mandatory is the macro AR+GS bellow for raiding and to trigger >
As mentioned, :fatebound: Fatebound wants to send :vanish: Vanish with :gs: Ghostly Strike, so you break stealth with GS and get 3 of each coin.
Additionally, sometimes you will be able to :vanish: Vanish into :gs: Ghostly Strike + :adr: Adrenaline Rush at the same time (macro), this will give
you 6 of each coin (which is a bug).
/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike
can we optain the same result (6 coins of each) with manually pressing both ability at the "same time"
sacred rune
<@194804407706189824> you know everything right
!atro
ornate heathBOT
Atrophic /Feint in Raid: > Click to Open <
sacred rune
it does not work on everything, but the sheet should mention exceptions
potent ore
its really weird
goddam you were right
glass mortar
if you can consitently press both keys at exactly the same moment, then you could skip the macro but its unlikely u are able to do that mid rotation consitently imo
there cannot be any amount of time between the two abilities registering if you want the 6 coins
ornate wren
after trying Outlaw in the Midnight Beta ive come to the conclusion that I shouldnt have put any time into TWW Outlaw.
The BtE resets don't have the same oomf as the vanish resets on BtE.
frail veldt
Tried to warn you lol
frail veldt
Prob should have just skipped straight to ptr so you didn't have to learn what we're losing haha
wintry solar
Ewwwww
glass mortar
@frail veldt this system is dum
why am i going 6/0 in 2600 lobbies at 1500 rating and getting 150 rating
π
it shouldnt slow down until ur within like 400 of ur mmr cmm
frail veldt
In df I inted my lobbies on my alt shadow priest just to get faster queues
glass mortar
asuming it doesnt slow down too much more
frail veldt
It shouldn't
frail veldt
Ye think so
glass mortar
good im using a shitty 720 pve crit staff 
this toon is such a rat
im half pve gear
glass mortar
xdxd
bro u think im gunna hypersweat thru 2600 lobbies as outlaw?
playing an actual support spec
aug prob does more damage then law this season
nah funny blue beam go brrt
frail veldt
Disc does more damage
glass mortar
@frail veldt LMAO WHAT IS MARKS
i died 100% to zero in a binding shot stun, in my shamans earthen totem, with wall up
9m rapid fire through like 50% DR
glass mortar
ok but isnt rapid fire like 30 attacks in 2 seconds???
it should be super effective vs it
i feel like
frail veldt
Earthen is a fake defensive vs some specs
glass mortar
π
frail veldt
Like against arms
glass mortar
my mistake
frail veldt
Outlaw literally does half damage into earthen
glass mortar
this is the first marks ive seen this season i guess i just hide behind a pillar whole game
100 to zero solod by a random rapid fire while i had wall up is spooky stuff
guess iwas more like 92% when it started but still
glass mortar
yea it must have been some kinda amped rapid fire
frail veldt
And pre renewing blaze it
frail veldt
Pretty spooky
weary fog
insane seed for reclear tonight
serene lion
idk if there's midnight spot but +311% more ss dmg? https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-pre-patch-datamined-class-tuning-arcane-mage-updated-talent-tree-and-379890?utm_source=discord-webhook
gaunt phoenix
idk if there's midnight spot but +311% more ss dmg? https://www.wowhead.com/news...
It's the sinister strike used while leveling, not the real one
gaunt phoenix
Lol we would probably skip pistol shot entirely
vapid sundial
<@177964030474977281> are u queuing into legit aliens today
everyone is bad rn
welcome to early season
rotund zodiac
bright cedar
eyyy, we killed soul hunters yday for fun and we got a sigil drop
ofc nobody wanted it
but now I got this
also, do I run sigil + antenna?
or sigil + prism?
exotic gale
as far as i saw outlaw doesnt really use prism, so antena
plush obsidian
What's showing you the numbers next to your gear and ilvl with decimals?
plush obsidian
Thank you
bright cedar
hmmmm... why is my killing spree so low on the details breakdown?
i know it's a high prio spell, but a lot of times I don't get to use it, cause I'm in AR and have vanish and procs
and then KS is up
but I have less than 5 sec left on AR and gotta vanish again
or vanish is about to overcap
so I end up using KS very rarely
gaunt phoenix
but I have less than 5 sec left on AR and gotta vanish again
ks and then cancel it with vanish during the animation at the last moment
gaunt phoenix
not every time, but in some moments like you describe
bright cedar
what do you mean by "last moment"?
ahh you mean cancel KS when i have like 0.5s left on AR?
with vanish
so i keep the ar
gaunt phoenix
like you just said, AR has like 4 seconds remaining, so KS and then vanish just before AR runs out
gaunt phoenix
A whole vanish window is like at least 30 seconds of cooldown reduction so yeah
For trickster, a lot of killing spree value is it giving you 2 unseen blades
which happens whether you cancel it or not
You can straight up cancel killing spree with a finisher at full combo points every time and it's not really changing dps
bright cedar
also, does sigil work on dummies?
i've been hitting them straight up for 15 minutes
it does very little damage
i guess it's still 1.5% of my dmg
glass mortar
its damage also scales with execute
are you executing the dummies or moving their hp noticably
but direct damage procs make up a smaller % of ur breakdown in aoe because it doesnt scale at all with aoe
bright cedar
nah man it's impossible to learn a spec at this point in the season 
for keys that is
if I take outlaw into a high key, I troll
I take it into a low key (12-13) and PEOPLE HAVE NO CLUE HOW TO PLAY THE GAME
like the level of trolling is insane
untold wadi
at this point im just happy to do a key tbh
my poor baby is being murdered
low keys to blast with noobs is fun tbh
smetimes u gotta bte to pull some trash tho 
gaunt phoenix
ace procs in melee range
untold wadi
jolly geyser
I got one, doing dmg with less focus on another class
burnt dragon
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
dull geyser
!sim
desert tendon
LeBronze James
you dont wanna know what lebron james means in french slang...
desert tendon
1500 rating is the trenches
that s a great achievement tho 
you re in the intermediate level aka no more easy tactics
crude flower
LeBronze James
The bronze james?
quaint mauve
that s a great achievement tho <:happy_holiday_pepe:908087276544876574> you re i...
yeah im happy with my progress but i wanna push to 1800-2k range
but im win-loss-win-loss on repeat
desert tendon
that s big, i m playing chess since i m a kid but i never bothered learning theory and all. I just vibe playing. 1800 is my peak i m more of a 1650ish player
Well currently 1400 
frail veldt
FOR le adon purge in a week
I have sad news for you
I think most people who try at all in the game will end up with more addons
elder phoenix
I have sad news for you
no weakauras tho or any adding that can do so much like weakauras there's might be some that can come close but not as strong as before
which is fucking amazing about damn time
frail veldt
no weakauras tho or any adding that can do so much like weakauras there's might ...
people have gotten pretty clever π
you just wont have access to it
elder phoenix
people have gotten pretty clever π
doesn't mean it will be as strong as weakauras Β―_(γ)_/Β―
frail veldt
well the thing is strength is relative
elder phoenix
and if it will be then blizzard will fix it
frail veldt
so when everyone has access to it
elder phoenix
so
frail veldt
hahaha well again I have bad news
elder phoenix
i have no regrets
Tbh as long as blizzard stops how addons handle combat and in raids. Its all good
frail veldt
dont make me say it again
elder phoenix
idc what "alternative" they make. as long as blizzard does its thing
Then it be alll right
frail veldt
unfortunately, I have bad news
elder phoenix
people can make alternatives all they want lol
but i dont want an addon like weakauras. people can make addons that are weaker and does significanly less which is fine
π€·ββοΈ
so i dont mind famalam
I love how blizzard does that tho. like destroy an addon completely. I still remember DXE and i still remember the old school radar for dbm
Ill miss those features LOL
frail veldt
but i dont want an addon like weakauras. people can make addons that are weaker ...
I think its a problem if the addons they make only do slightly less but theyre now harder to get your hands on as an average player
so in the end what you get is more of a power advantage than before from good addon setup
elder phoenix
I think its a problem if the addons they make only do slightly less but theyre n...
I dont mind at all. π€·ββοΈ I remember there was a guild that was making private addons and when you trial with them they made you have that.
I think promethean did that
frail veldt
why wouldnt you mind if some players have an advantage over others using addons
isnt that the whole point of this
is to remove the advantage of addons
frail veldt
im asking why
elder phoenix
I havent touched a raid
and im as geared as people that have touched a raid
so why would i care what people do with their time and sub?
lime lake
why do you care so strongly that weak auras should be gone then
lime lake
thats kind of confusing lmao
elder phoenix
if this was a PVP game then i would care that someones killing me cuz they have a not fair advantage
thick vigil
frail veldt
if this was a PVP game then i would care that someones killing me cuz they have ...
so why did you care about weak auras
elder phoenix
why do you care so strongly that weak auras should be gone then
Cuz weakaura is a horrible addon. TBH i just dont want to keep making weakauras everytime I resubbed or make a new toon.
Thats all LOl
shit aint that deep
frail veldt
well weak auras is still around so
elder phoenix
but im glad blizzard nerfed it all down
lime lake
but like
elder phoenix
but I thought you didnt care what people do with their time and sub?
how is me making me hate weakauras cuz i hate the fact that i keep making weakaurs for new toons or when ir esub caring about other peoples time and subs
tf
lime lake
how is them removing weakauras a different solution than you just not using them
frail veldt
how is me making me hate weakauras cuz i hate the fact that i keep making weak...
im asking what makes weak auras so hated to you while your argument for other addons is that it doesnt matter cuz the game is pve? why does that logic nnot apply to weak auras?
elder phoenix
i mean you can argue all you want shit got nerfed regardless so LOL
thorny zinc
why get mad at weakauras and not blizzard improving their ui then
frail veldt
what did weak auras do to your family
thorny zinc
it seems like u are more upset that you needed to track things
frail veldt
or were they just frustrating for you to use so youve hated them?
elder phoenix
Like when jan 20 hits
lime lake
im not even arguing im just trying to understand the logic here lol
because its kinda fun
frail veldt
im not even arguing im just trying to understand the logic here lol
I think theres some hidden animosity towards weak auras maybe cuz they found them confusing and frustrating to use?
I cant think of any other reasoning
thick vigil
how is setting up MORE addons not just as annoying
frail veldt
how is setting up MORE addons not just as annoying
I dont think theyve thought that far ahead
lime lake
i get if its like
maybe feels forced to use it because they exist, now that they wont exist they wont feel forced to use them
elder phoenix
I think theres some hidden animosity towards weak auras maybe cuz they found the...
I dont find them confusing at all. I make my own custom weakauras
lime lake
but stuff replacing it will be just as mandatory
so that line of thinking doesnt really work
frail veldt
I dont find them confusing at all. I make my own custom weakauras
so why specifically do you hate weak auras over other addons that give similar advantages?
elder phoenix
maybe feels forced to use it because they exist, now that they wont exist they w...
Its just i m tired of making weakauras for my specs lol thats why π€·ββοΈ thats all
so im glad blizzard
lime lake
Its just i m tired of making weakauras for my specs lol thats why π€·ββοΈ thats ...
but again, why not just
elder phoenix
improved it
frail veldt
Its just i m tired of making weakauras for my specs lol thats why π€·ββοΈ thats ...
oh I have bad news for you lol
lime lake
not use them
thorny zinc
Its just i m tired of making weakauras for my specs lol thats why π€·ββοΈ thats ...
what would you use weak auras for spec wise
lime lake
if you dont care that others have an advantage over you because its pve
frail veldt
so I think youre gona be pretty unhappy with midnight
if you didnt like setting up addons/weak auras for your spec
midnight robin
It's kinda coming off like y'all care more about what this guy thinks about weak auras than he cares about weak auras
quaint mauve
frail veldt
a lot of people are still using weak auras for the UI to control addons/interface stuff too
so its not even gone
frail veldt
It's kinda coming off like y'all care more about what this guy thinks about weak...
I think were just trying to understnad his opinion cuz its one that many other people hold as well
so its like a mystery
gotta solve it
lime lake
this is the most interesting thing to happen in this channel for a week or two
slow times
elder phoenix
It's kinda coming off like y'all care more about what this guy thinks about weak...
lol yeah idk why they making it deeper than it is. shit aint that deep.
lime lake
nobodies making it deep, but you cant be surprised you come in with strong opinions about a controversial change and people are interested in why you have those opinions
elder phoenix
lol i'm not surprised i just don't care enough to be surprised im just saying that im glad blizzard nerfed addons to where it is in midnight
like i can finally log in with minimal raid addons Β―_(γ)_/Β―
if not zero raid addons
thorny zinc
but u could do that before no?
midnight robin
Not if he wanted to be optimal, presumably
elder phoenix
i believe that once every guild tells you to have addons to raid then that's a bad game design im glad blizzard is going in the direction that it is rn. i'm hoping it will crack more on "must have " addons a lot more harder. tho to completely. be able to play the game optimally with out addons
thorny zinc
but like wasnt hte whole argument he had before that he wasnt raiding on that level or w/e
I think you are going to run into similar problems now but instead of get weakaura #13 its get addon #4
lime lake
like i can finally log in with minimal raid addons Β―\_(γ)_/Β―
but like
elder phoenix
like i hope in the future when you app to a guild shit like "must have addons required c y z "
lime lake
this is why i keep asking what was stopping you earlier
because i get wanting that
but you already said you dont care if other addons replace weak auras as mandatory because its pve
so why did weakauras feel mandatory to you now
elder phoenix
like i don't have to own that addon to join the guild nor join the raid.
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
lime lake
you will though
thats kinda the point
these functions didnt actually disappear, they're just being handled differently
now you use addons with fucky workarounds
elder phoenix
you will though
unfortunately but i hope blizzard cracks more on this. weakauras is already gone i hope the get rid of mrt dbm big wigs etc altogether
but one can hope but weakaura nerfed is a step to the right direction
Β―_(γ)_/Β―
one can hope tho. Blizzard already destroyed a very big boss addon ages ago. DXE was huge and better. and they nuked that addon to the ground. They can do it again for DBM bigwigs MRT or any of the addons that are "MUST HAVE" in raid. but unfortunately theres still gonna be some addons but I hope blizzard really destroy them too
thorny zinc
id rather instead of nuking they offered their own would make everyone happy
elder phoenix
but again, killing weakauras nerfing combat addons is a step to that direction which is im glad about
frail veldt
Strength is relative and I think this ended up buffing them
frail veldt
id rather instead of nuking they offered their own would make everyone happy
Yeah they very well could have maybe actually delivered a function replacement before eliminating the APIs addons used
Instead of failing their promise of delivering replacements
thorny zinc
ong
frail veldt
I think the primary thing blizzard accomplished here was make getting the "required" add-ons more work to get and set up
Step in the wrong direction imo
The goal was great but their execution so far has been a little lacking
honest sparrow
I think the primary thing blizzard accomplished here was make getting the "requi...
My guess is rwf will be insane funny because they will see stuff on the screens of the player they have no clue wtf they are ^^
frail veldt
Truuuuu
vivid vessel
I like how everytime you will add an addon
or disable an addon
you will have to reload
cant have addons loaded per specs
or per encounter
etc
either
trully a huge step
backward
to 1980
elder phoenix
My guess is rwf will be insane funny because they will see stuff on the screens ...
Yeah i wanna see what kinda shit these sweats over a PVE game will do to take an advantage
untold wadi
man i just want my horizontal gcd bar bro
hasty warren
you will have to reload
wtf is this shit
desert tendon
Zac never happy
mighty pivot
sorry you hate everything, zac
elder phoenix
https://i.imgur.com/R02LK5a.jpeg zero addons. this is how it should be
and all i had to do if i make a new toon is just 2 clicks away
untold wadi
i don't like it
elder phoenix
hopefully the new dh spec is good
gaunt phoenix
What is that symbol on F3
gaunt phoenix
Oh
elder phoenix
i put it on f3 cuz i dont use it but i wanna see what the thing shows when im doing my rotation for dh new spec
in beta
gaunt phoenix
Mount on Z is correct, real, based, and true
copper radish
Mount on shift 5 for me
elder phoenix
i have opie but before that i put it on z
lime lake
opie wheel with mounts and hearthstone/teleports goes on shift+space
craggy barn
https://i.imgur.com/R02LK5a.jpeg zero addons. this is how it should be
move ur player and target frames to top left, remove all the cd manager shit
lets go back to classic ui
lime lake
but honestly opie is the buggiest addon ive ever fucking used so i'd be amazed if it makes it to midnight
as great as it is
craggy barn
it should be fine since its not combat addon
elder phoenix
move ur player and target frames to top left, remove all the cd manager shit
why would i go back to classic UI when id dint even play during classic
tf
lime lake
the amount of times opie has been the cause of completely random bugs that you'd think it would have no impact on
including combat stuff
gaunt phoenix
lime lake
is too damn high
elder phoenix
the amount of times opie has been the cause of completely random bugs that you'd...
odd ive never had opie bugs
lime lake
me when i cant use any of my abilities and move the camera unless i disable opie
elder phoenix
and ive used opie for a lot
from poisons
to mounts
to hearthing
to shapeshift etc etc
zero problem with it
lime lake
ye i still use it and love it
but ive had a ton of issues with it
and same with the people in my guild who use it
elder phoenix
the buggiest so far for me is details
like it works but for some reason sometimes it stops me from doing certain things in WoW
like i get an error "details prevented you from using that action"
or some shit like that
and im like how tf is details not allowing me from doing something
craggy barn
ive had a few issues during patch days with opie
think this xpac the avility shit got fucked like twice with opie
lime lake
my wheel to just pick one of the hundred different hearthstones we have now though
too precious to lose
elder phoenix
my wheel to just pick one of the hundred different hearthstones we have now thou...
i use the regular hearth
but i have dalaran hearth
and also garrison
on opie
so
and mage portals too
especially dalaran crater portal π
long barn
say goodbye to outlaw as we know it.
those coming to outlaw will not know what will be missed as they wont know what it was like... so it wont be missed, but know it was great.
it was remarkably as hard of a spec blizzard could create.
it directly reflected a generation of gamers that wanted to work hard and play hard.
10 days left before end of a great chapter.
elder phoenix
say goodbye to outlaw as we know it.
those coming to outlaw will not know what...
outlaw
hard spec
Say what
honest sparrow
I really believe your just trolling at this point moot
elder phoenix
lol i ididnt know outlaw is a hard spec
Ig you learn something new everyday
completely harder then sub
Duh
honest sparrow
Yes by far. And i guess that explains why you lost to yourself on random 10 gs less twinks
elder phoenix
Yes by far. And i guess that explains why you lost to yourself on random 10 gs l...
What
tf does a 10gs less twinks
wtf is that
honest sparrow
You complained like 10 times in here like that. "Oh i do more dmg on that twink with less gear"
elder phoenix
You complained like 10 times in here like that. "Oh i do more dmg on that twink ...
LOL i mean BM hunters are META for a reasaon in m+
imagine thinking outlaw is a hard spec
literally the most brain dead spec
of all rogue specs
a hard spec
LOL
thorny zinc
this new exp has to come out asap so moot stops ragebaiting
honest sparrow
Wait you do realize we are not in midnight outlaw right? Like how cooked can somone be to not think current outlaw is hard?
elder phoenix
wait when did i say im talking about midnight outlaw?
gaunt phoenix
Cool it
honest sparrow
Sorry solo i let myself get baited
elder phoenix
Cool it
Deleted it. I gotchu
wait hold up. do people really think current outlaw is a hard spec? or am i trippin here
gaunt phoenix
Yeah
elder phoenix
thats wild majority of the things are handled by weakauras and all you ahve to do is pay attention to the weakauras lol
elder phoenix
You complained like 10 times in here like that. "Oh i do more dmg on that twink ...
lmfao this guy actually thinks an outlaw can out meta a bm hunter rn
thats willlld
in m+
gaunt phoenix
thats wild majority of the things are handled by weakauras and all you ahve to d...
It's suprisingly easy to mess up globals
elder phoenix
i went from 694 ilvl bm hunter to doing 10+ with in a week just because im a bm hunter
gaunt phoenix
and for outlaw every global matters
While sub dicks around between cds
Hard is subjective anyway who really cares
elder phoenix
I personally think from playing all 3 specs at 12+ and highe rkeys. Sub is still the hardest rogue spec and both mut rogues and outlaw are toe to toe for being the easiest imo
But ig you right
copper radish
say goodbye to outlaw as we know it.
those coming to outlaw will not know what...
New beginnings in 10 days 
tight kernel
Buyer list is out 
elder phoenix
Buyer list is out <:KEK:739953921895694417>
what's a buyer list
untold wadi
people who bought title and stuff
frail veldt
I personally think from playing all 3 specs at 12+ and highe rkeys. Sub is still...
Damn +12!
frail veldt
He's a BM main with no home
vivid vessel
thought he would have joined the forums instead by now
frail veldt
He's doing his best
vivid vessel
one day he will get banned and we can be free
elder phoenix
Damn +12!
i mean any one in their right mind wouldnt do anything higher than 12+ given that there is no reward. 12+ is the last one where theres a feature where you dont have to deal with affixes
frail veldt
I guess if you aren't good enough for title that makes sense
elder phoenix
and if you do wanna do anything higher than 12+ then its either you have a goal
or naw
who tf wants a title in the game
frail veldt
Keep on truckin lil guy
frail veldt
I'll let the gang know
elder phoenix
the only titles i like are firelord, kingslayer
thats it
and jenkins
Like anything outside of that is try hard sweats
cuz literally, I havent seen anyones titles unless i inspect them
Like LOL
so like why would i try hard on something i could care less about? if 15+ or higher gets beter ilvls then ill try them and if there is a concrete show of skill and better rewards then ill try them. but for now when theres ZERO incentive to do anything higher than 12+ then you're just sweating your self
for no reason lol
vivid vessel
the only titles i like are firelord, kingslayer
only title you deserve is cucklord lil bud
elder phoenix
only title you deserve is cucklord lil bud
says the guy whos own group is telling him to try something that isnt even a dps increase just so that they can make you feel useful or be useful instead of outright dpsing cuz outlaw is so shit in high keys
getcucked friend
vivid vessel
what
vivid vessel
that makes even less sense
elder phoenix
yeah like how you said mut rogues were the best dps spec
elder phoenix
imagine saying mut rogues are the best dps spec
vivid vessel
what
elder phoenix
what
vivid vessel
i didnt say that
are you stupid
bro i swear moot
yopu are legit the lowest iq person
in that whole discord
vivid vessel
that was s1 or s2
elder phoenix
what
vivid vessel
are you stupid
elder phoenix
What
elder phoenix
wait hold up
vivid vessel
that was s1 in beta prolly
elder phoenix
that was from a diff channel hold up
vivid vessel
you might be completly cooked
that was in 2024
we are in 2026
also i was right otherwise i wouldnt have said that
assa been the best key spec for like 3 seasons
not this season tho
still
are you stupid
or
elder phoenix
Yeah my bad you said it too last time i cant find it
GG though
You know you said it
vivid vessel
ye
i know i said it this season aswell
thta was during ptr
before assa got nerfed
- its now bugged
so
stop being stupid maybe
you are embarassing
frail veldt
Dayum
vivid vessel
title kinda a joke
frail veldt
That's still pretty fucking few
Proud of them for making it work
They have good friends I bet lol
gaunt phoenix
why is kev golden
gaunt phoenix
@tight kernel thoughts
vivid vessel
its people that pay for raider io
gaunt phoenix
oh
vivid vessel
vivid vessel
bro addicted
mighty pivot
its people that pay for raider io
random terrace
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
vapid sundial
https://tenor.com/view/pokimane-broke-boy-gif-1631750273434798155
Karma that her cookies failed
Feels good
proven ocean
yopu are legit the lowest iq person
proven ocean
we are in 2026
covert kestrel
Wait where's the goat of all time Lashga?
stone shoal
just tried playing outlaw with cd manager... wtf is this
covert kestrel
New outlaw or live outlaw
stone shoal
live
covert kestrel
Well yeah that's just masochism
honest sparrow
Wait where's the goat of all time Lashga?
Does Lashga play outlaw?
keen belfry
What rank am I
hardy thicket
Wait where's the goat of all time Lashga?
R11 as sub
covert kestrel
R11 as sub
Best buyer eu
lime lake
be careful, he might show up on whichever account hes ban evading with now and call you racist
crude anchor
rank 4 is funny <:KEK:739953921895694417>
was waiting for somebody to say it
elder phoenix
9 days till weakauras gone
frail veldt
still there just not updated by the WA team
elder phoenix
still there just not updated by the WA team
im glad it isnt gonna be updated and should stay not updated
frail veldt
yet you dont know why
elder phoenix
yet you dont know why
i dont care why lol π€·ββοΈ
tight kernel
was waiting for somebody to say it
To each their own I guess
frail veldt
i dont care why lol π€·ββοΈ
Yes that much is obvious
vapid sundial
Weak auras are great bc they fix some of the major flaws in the games design
The problem is a lot of people think 'oh, well, you need to crutch on them';
hardy thicket
i dont think cutoff is going to jump like 23 score in 1,5 weeks but i could be wrong
elder phoenix
im surprise theres no dps tier list for pre patch
covert kestrel
im surprise theres no dps tier list for pre patch
The most useless of all useless metrics
lime lake
They will come dont worry
vestal notch
dps tierlists before prepatch is even live is cursed
frail veldt
It's moot
keen belfry
I hate that guy
vapid sundial
i dont think cutoff is going to jump like 23 score in 1,5 weeks but i could be w...
This is actually pretty common for last week
frail veldt
23??? no shot
vapid sundial
23??? no shot
yes
bc everyone and their mother who wants title is trying
and then a lot of people get more sales at the end
keen belfry
solo i have a Q about KIR
what sis stopping you from holding it if u have 2 buff + loaded dice + kir off CD
as far as i can interpret that, shouldnt u just hold it until your next LD roll? like its not like you are getting more 2 buff uptime
if anything you are losing a LD, and a chance at a stronger KIR in 30 seconds
wait
wrong chat
sorry midnight
hardy thicket
This is actually pretty common for last week
Yeah you could be right I haven't really dabbled in m+ at all in TWW except for this season due to being afk almost entire TWW
in DF you were kinda capped by push weeks
so jumping +23 score for cutoff when push week was over wasnt that credible
bro what the helly happened with RIO the scores are all messed up
frail veldt
Yeah in DF it def didn't jump that much
I can't tell if resil keys make it more likely or less likely to jump
It could mean people are already capped at their skill since they rely less on key rng
tight kernel
23??? no shot
Yeah idk I feel like if youβre around 3925 you can log off and not worry. Anything else still prob need. I know I really should do a 20psf and 21 gambit but psf makes me want to kms lol
tight kernel
outlaw in midnight looking juicy
Someone lied to you
tight kernel
i hear outlaw is insanely meta in midnight
low glade
theyre just our new found trolls
please don't confuse pash for trolling
frail veldt
idk what pash is
copper radish
Get your games in yall. Just a week away from this iteration of outlaw no longer existing
lime lake
copper radish
Bring combat rogue back
Inc TBC SOD
digital patrol
Bring combat rogue back
Been saying
untold wadi
rip auto attack builds
high pewter
Hey all, Im getting back into rogue in prep for Midnight. Looking at guides, why don't we use slice and dice at all in the rotation?
thorny zinc
it gets auto casted
thorny zinc
tight kernel
surely title safe right
keen belfry
@quaint mauve i only lose rn if someone hard ints
my last 3 Ls have 3 players with combined kda of 8/46
dawn talon
my last 3 Ls have 3 players with combined kda of 8/46
but it's legit like
the players in queue are aliens
keen belfry
Good or bad aliens
dawn talon
Good or bad aliens
the worst aliens
i had a briar buy 1 ad item
and it was stridebreaker
analog fog
surely title safe right
i think 3910 or more need
full coral
how do you get a high level cudgel mine is only 678, when can I replace it?
buoyant bloom
Hey guys, can someone suggest me a good outlaw guide on YouTube for approach the class properly? I dont know any famous outlaw player
covert kestrel
Hey guys, can someone suggest me a good outlaw guide on YouTube for approach the...
the entire spec is going to be different in 8 days
covert kestrel
elder phoenix
7 days left
low glade
Outlaw died in dragonflight lets be real
correct
quaint mauve
<@367312825607258112> i only lose rn if someone hard ints
rengar is terrible i havenβt been playing
i donβt like league
i like rengar
torn nest
are they gonna release outlaw as it is rn in Beta or will they make some tuning
terse prawn
Outlaw will be in a releasable state by 12.1 or 12.1.5 i reckon
torn nest
i feel like it's seriously undertuned right now
compact mountain
Outlaw will be in a releasable state by 12.1 or 12.1.5 i reckon
I wish I had your optimism
wintry solar
Being negative hasn't been productive so it can't hurt
proper berry
outlaw doing straight trash dam on 12.0 ptr for all of us?
nvm i built it like a mouthbreather, all good
wintry solar
Goober
limber hazel
does supercharged combos increase the damage of the finishing move even if goes over the combopoints cap? For example lets say I have 7 combopoints and also have supercharged, if I do dispatch, does dispatch does damage as if casted with 9 combo point? or I just waste the supercharge combo?
honest sparrow
The dmg scales above the cap yes
limber hazel
thank you
honest sparrow
But remember that we dont play around them. All finisher rules still apply normally
torn nest
trash dam for me too
elder phoenix
Outlaw died in dragonflight lets be real
outlaw died during WoD
well just when legion came out
quaint mauve
we all hunter mains here anyway
copper radish
we all hunter mains here anyway
Donβt let Zac know
quaint mauve
Donβt let Zac know
zac has a secret hunter out there i just know it
i donβt see why @tough salmon would play with him if he didnβt
elder phoenix
by the looks of the new dh spec looks good in pre patch
lol it only has like 3 buttons
for its rotation
gaunt phoenix
that's all you need
elder phoenix
im hoping fire mages would be good too
so i can finally go backt o being a mage
and slow fall people
covert kestrel
so i can finally go backt o being a mage
we hope so too 
frail veldt
Outlaw will be in a releasable state by 12.1 or 12.1.5 i reckon
we said that at the start of tww lol
elder phoenix
we hope so too <:pray_joe:1288215980656427071>
Nothing more funnier than watching someone flyboff the platform cuz of slow fall
frail veldt
you would find that funny
frail veldt
says a lot
elder phoenix
The best part is when they ask who did it LOL especially if there was 4 mages including me
glass mortar
its funny because stuff like that just doesnt work with dh or evokers
and it makes me want to play dracthyr even on my rogue because the double jump thing is just so redic honestly
elder phoenix
and it makes me want to play dracthyr even on my rogue because the double jump t...
There's no double jump for drac i think
they just have glide
glass mortar
kinda
the "activation" of glide on both dh and dracthyr has an initial component that bumps you upward before the glide starts, almost as much as a jump
so in reality dracthyr double jump glide feels more "fluid" to me then dhs
since they need to jump, jump, microjump glide
elder phoenix
yeah but totally different with dh
you can double jump
with drac
you jump and if you press space again you glide
so drac is just >jump > glide animation> glide
for dh
double jump
glass mortar
it feels like a double jump on dracthyr
elder phoenix
then theres >double jump>glide animation> glide
glass mortar
more then it even does for dh tbh
i much prefer dracthyrs
for dh its like a 2.75 jump it can feel a little awkward, i think some people even manually bound glide because its legit faster to jump glide then it is to jump jump glide
elder phoenix
its different than dh
glass mortar
so dracthyrs version is faster (moving forward)
elder phoenix
i think dh is a much longer double jump
glass mortar
much higher u mean?
elder phoenix
higher yeah
glass mortar
i mean its like twice the height
elder phoenix
which i like more tbh
glass mortar
yea i mean 90% of the time im using it for run speed or micro repositioning in mid air
so jump glide feels way better
as dh u need to bind glide if u wanna get the same forward movespeed
not that it matters since dh already has enough vertical dashes...
elder phoenix
I regret not gearing dh
though
the new dh spec might be OP
or might be shit
when pre patch comes out
OR even just regular
but it looks fun
rotation is pretty simple
glass mortar
it has like 3 buttons and some of the worst design ideas rehashed into another nonsense ramp spec theyve done before and always ends up awkward
so i expect it to be turbo over tuned
its certainly not for me tho
glass mortar
oh i mean i doubt itll be meta forever
the "we made this op because its new" only lasts so long
its not like its a new class or anything
if u wanna play a meta guy just go hunter or mage
elder phoenix
the rush that i get when i get invited quickly at 10 ilvls below the average for an M+ as a hunter meta spec is alot better than anything in WOW rn
it might be meta for tier then if it ends up not being meta for the next ill j ust gear the new meta one
i think ima be a meta slave now D:
glass mortar
based
elder phoenix
i played a shadow priest
at the start of this expansion
took an hour atleast
to get into groups
LOl
my frost dk got invited instantly tho
frail veldt
they just have glide
it still changes your momentum/direction so it will save you from slowfall stuff
tough salmon
i donβt see why <@236213047021010944> would play with him if he didnβt
we played with a hunter while zac was replacing his kaput GPU
and honestly I hated every second
mighty pivot
nobody to bully in big packs?
frail veldt
and honestly I hated every second
is that a hunter issue or a player issue though
vivid vessel
its a you issue bud
frail veldt
what did I do
copper radish
what did I do
Zac just mad 7 days left
full coral
sorry if this is common. In plus, forgotten sky is just sim bait right?
nova sinew
the "we made this op because its new" only lasts so long
sometimes thats 4 consecutive seasons
tight kernel
6 point jump in 1 day damn
torn nest
hey where can I find a good build for midnight beta?
untold wadi
midnight pins
torn nest
where can i find that?>
gaunt phoenix
they're a bit old/exploratory, I need to update now that sim stuff has been kicking off
quaint mauve
6 point jump in 1 day damn
itβs over
i didnβt realize itβs even that much rating for title lul
untold wadi
quaint mauve
wait i want this sticker
untold wadi
right click and clone
untold wadi
actually maybe that's a vesktop feature
shy pecan
Is outlaw fast and fun on Beta or are we cooked?
honest sparrow
Its slower then current but fun is subjective
gaunt phoenix
Lots of stuff stripped out of it, but it's still outlaw
obsidian walrus
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
elder phoenix
6 more days
runic gulch
anyone got the compilation of all those screenshots of angry whispers about inviting outlaw to a key?
need them for this edit lol
past falcon
uhh
untold wadi
outlahttps://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif
heres 1
runic gulch
yeah thats the only one i have aha, seem to remember there being loads end of s2/beginning of s3 but cant find them in history
cheers tho
untold wadi
past falcon
i have some hang on
untold wadi
a beautiful storyline
ripe ibex
@keen belfry
keen belfry
hey
covert kestrel
hey
crimson musk
hiya im kinda new to wow and def new to the rouge outlaw class, im trying to follow build/guides but im finding it impossible and quite overwhelming, im doing very ilttle dmg and feel that i have no effect at all. could anyone help me out? thank u in advance :) (on timerunner btw)
proven ocean
First thing u need to know is how to spell rouge correctly
Then maybe learn the class
Read the faq buddy
crimson musk
thanks dude thats really welcoming and helpful π
gaunt phoenix
Read the faq buddy
they're on remix so faq doesnt help
eh maybe a bit
outlaw has quite a lot going on but in 6 days it's getting significantly easier
crimson musk
my problem is im doing my best to follow build/guides but im just not doing any dmg :( my item lvl is 605 and im lvl 80 and yet lvl 48s are doing more 
i know its a skill issue but i dont know what the issue is
gaunt phoenix
well, currently a lot of outlaw is having a good ui
crimson musk
how so? :) im more than grateful for any advice
gaunt phoenix
make sure you can easily see when adrenaline rush, vanish, between the eyes, ghostly strike, keep it rolling, roll the bones, blade flurry, killing spree is available
currently the core of outlaw is using Adrenaline Rush when available and then going into Vanish windows to consistently keep it active
cause adrenaline rush does not tick down inside stealth windows
so, if you can maintain adrenaline rush at very high uptime (>90%), that is a sign of doing good outlaw things
crimson musk
ok cool that makes sense TYSM!!!!
gaunt phoenix
also most of our damage is from using Between the Eyes inside stealth windows, cause it has no cooldown in them
crimson musk
i see what ability can i use in stealth does it say?
gaunt phoenix
in stealth you can use everything you normally use
so like your "stealth bar" should just be the same as your normal bar
gaunt phoenix
you are just using Vanish to activate the Subterfuge talent which makes stealth "Active" for a while
crimson musk
so stealth is more like a "buff mode" for cd than being sneaky?
gaunt phoenix
yeah exactly
generally vanish has a very low cooldown
so you are dipping into stealth all the time
and therefore can keep Adrenaline Rush active all the time
gaunt phoenix
but in midnight, all this stealth stuff is removed
we will no longer use vanish at all
crimson musk
thats ok i can relearn with everyone else :>
being able to content now will be nice!
gaunt phoenix
if you can get outlaw now then midnight will be easy
crimson musk
:D I'm very excited for midnight!
slender veldt
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
cedar ivy
I dunno that I'd even spin my wheels trying to learn Outlaw this week. May as well just spam single button and come back next Tuesday to see what's what
glass mortar
honestly i respect the effort because unfortunatly outlaw on live is also one of the most unplayable specs in the game even with 1 button macro
its probably ok for very simple stuff but its kinda hilarious how big a loss it is
but yea for a spec like outlaw unless I really wanted to know what it played like before it goes away, id just wait till next week because its changing dramatically and it is a very complex spec currently
cedar ivy
Absolutely. And I
gaunt phoenix
I'll be posting prepatch stuff in a bit. I don't think we will need an "advanced" part of the FAQ at all, or at least it will be minimal
cedar ivy
wouldnt discount doing it for fun. But its just not going to useful muscle memory
covert kestrel
I'll be posting prepatch stuff in a bit. I don't think we will need an "advanced...
"Advanced:
- Try playing outlaw with one eye closed like a true pirate"
gaunt phoenix
vapid sundial
@vivid vessel
glass mortar
they are currently tcing in #midnight-outlaw the proper doom place
we are figuring out the tech to play around fatebound decaying your auto attack damage until logout bug
π
glass mortar
yes
honest sparrow
It was so good on outlaw that they thought maybe sub needs it aswell ^^
vapid sundial
No way they gave it to sub too
honest sparrow
Its not a tax like it was with outlaw. But dance scales now with haste so you get breakpoints from extra gcd in dance. But sims will tell if impactfull enough to matter
vapid sundial
Unreal