outlaw

[craggy barn]

wrong

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[jolly geyser]

Hi

[wintry solar]

Omg hi

[hasty warren]

yo popo

and ramlu

[sacred rune]

congrats

[bright cedar]

sigh

i've been whacking the target dummies for hours, my hands are cramping

and I feel like I learned nothing

and I have 70% uptime on AR

[untold wadi]

not bad

[bright cedar]

how is that not bad?

shouldn't you aim for 90%+ uptime?

5 min session on dummy

[zealous lantern]

they said they wouldnt touch specs like outlaw

but i guess everything is getting dumbed down for the mobile game release

[frail veldt]

Actually they explicitly stated early on that outlaw is a spec they were making changes to

[zealous lantern]

quality of life stuff like the cdr during no fighting

not dumbing it down to where its slow and boring like the other rogue specs

its so over

[frail veldt]

No they specifically said addressing complexity and approachability since add-ons were getting removed

Ion himself said it in an interview

[zealous lantern]

i dunno it took me forever to learn but i did learn it

didnt use any addons

[quaint mauve]

you also have 70% uptime on roll the bones which i can’t tell why

are you not rolling when you have no buffs?

[gaunt phoenix]

that rtb buff doesnt track correctly in details

[quaint mauve]

oh

i see

[bright cedar]

i'm rolling when the WA says to roll

aka when no buffs, after KiR

and if only 1 buff and bad? iirc

there's a text to voice going "bones" "bones" "bones" "bones" into my ear

[quaint mauve]

if you want solid advice you should record yourself hit the dummy

[bright cedar]

my main problem is that maintaining AR + bones + watching my vanish windows + killing spree + unseen blades and everything that I have to actively maintain is consuming 110% of my brain power

[quaint mauve]

with a gcd tracker

[bright cedar]

and it's kinda doable, but i am 100% sure i would die ont he first puddle

in a key

cause i am looking at my bars and buffs

[quaint mauve]

it becomes muscle memory honestly

[bright cedar]

what is that?

yeah that is what I am working towards

but for now its struggle town

[quaint mauve]

just an add on or wa that tells what button you pressed

can’t vod review without it

like rn i can ALMOST play fb with my eyes closed

trickster i actually need to look at my ub stacks sigh

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw is getting completely upended in 3 months

just so you are aware

[quaint mauve]

i’m on my osrs journey rn

[bright cedar]

wait we playing fatebound?

oh raid i assume

[coral onyx]

any vanish macro tech to stop brawler guild from breaking?

[gaunt phoenix]

try not to vanish during the gcd, try a vanish+bte macro, or try hitting vanish during pistol shot

[coral onyx]

got it working with:
#showtooltip Vanish
/cleartarget [dead]
/targetenemy [noexists]
/cast Vanish
/cast Between the Eyes
/cast Ghostly Strike

for now

[covert kestrel]

ironman?

[quaint mauve]

i only raid log

[quaint mauve]

nah just normal

i’ve never really played osrs

so

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/soft-kobe-bryant-gif-24255342

Nah jk Ironmans a lot if you're not familiar with what's going on

[untold wadi]

so everyone knows AR actually ticks like super slow when ur in stealth, like 0.01 seconds per second, but does anyone know why sometimes u get this no duration text? also yea ihave fast gcd in stealth rn

if i enter combt w subterfuge then exit combat before its over i keep this perma no duration

usually have this text

maybe accidentally did this thing

[glass mortar]

yes its been known

its just how the pause is coded

it actually reduces tick rate by 100X

its just how they code "freezing" temporary buffs in wow

thats why if ur WA isnt set to read AR remaining duration correctly it will show like 30 minutes in stealth, its calculating the duration with the reduced rate

[frail veldt]

yeah all the buffs do this actually

slice and dice and bladeflurry which are supposed to "pause" during adr

its just how they implemented the talent

little hacky but iiwii

[vestal mural]

hey anyone has a idea how to get to the hidden artefakt skin in remix?
ill did the questchain until here.. but there is no clickable text option as the comments say

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry just started league again

[hasty warren]

Hi pitates

[hasty warren]

omg you're so toxic man

[bright cedar]

i honestly don't think i can learn outlaw i went into a dungeon, did 5m overall

this is after redoing my whole ui and spending like 5 hours hitting dummies

[humble cave]

You are putting limits on yourself by saying you cant

everything is hard until its easy

[bright cedar]

nah, I legit cannot comprehend the complexity of this spec. i really want to, and I spent the last 4 days trying to learn it, but nothing clicks, still. every single spell has like 5 conditions attached to it as to when should you press it

i am not a supercomputer to make all those decisions on a 0.8s GCD for hours on end, while still being able to look at what happens in an encounter

props to everyone who can play it, I have a newfound respect for players who can do this

[humble cave]

fair enough

but remember,whether you say you can do it or you cant,both are true answers

il leave it at that

[untold wadi]

pretty sure it took me longer

and i still make use of that 0.4 seconds in stealth for brain lag

[tight kernel]

Can you tell which two dungeons I hate doing?

[wicked sigil]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[covert kestrel]

I mean current outlaw will exist for less than a month at this point so if you're not vibing with it you can just play the new easier one

[keen belfry]

Focus up

[vapid sundial]

Let fly!

[keen belfry]

Nokhud!!!

[vapid sundial]

Used to have that as a soundboard

randomly pop that shit in raid

[keen belfry]

That was a sick first week dungeon experience

She was legit just yapping

[vapid sundial]

just perma let fly

nonstop

[quaint mauve]

don’t blame you

worst dungeons

i would like flood if it wasn’t so evil idk

[quaint mauve]

i love league rn

i’ve been winning

just winners Q too

i suck

[vapid sundial]

vile name

[quaint mauve]

LOL

forgot to crop

[keen belfry]

i stopped jungling and just started winnning

This and a paw job

[quaint mauve]

nah with jungle

just

mute all and full clear

on repeat

then win

[keen belfry]

there seems be a big diff here!

[quaint mauve]

i am on new acc tho

bc i’m a rell otp on main

[quaint mauve]

onto something ngl

[keen belfry]

i just play gp

i chill untill lvl 13 2 items

win game

try to 9cs a min

gg

[quaint mauve]

i can’t play

afk champs

[keen belfry]

i still play aggro in lane when i should

[vapid sundial]

Awiener

[keen belfry]

winererrr

[quaint mauve]

i wish i can play rn

i’m bedridden

bc i ate day old pasta

that sat out

[vapid sundial]

time to duo with you

i can drive to your house and beat you up if we lose

[keen belfry]

[vivid vessel]

nice crop blud

[quaint mauve]

this reminded me of something

[vapid sundial]

[quaint mauve]

i actually had a boxing ma thx with my friend over a league game

LOL

[keen belfry]

i need this emote

[vapid sundial]

friend dragged me out of bed when we lived on campus

to plag league

stole my mattress and blanket and pillow

i was laying on the bars for like

5 minutes

league players are demons

[keen belfry]

ryker

where did u get that emote

[vapid sundial]

someone posted it in the fellowship push discord

and i stole it

[keen belfry]

give

give me

[quaint mauve]

fellowship push discord?

why aren’t i in there

👁️

[vapid sundial]

right click

open link

[keen belfry]

ty

[vapid sundial]

gg

[keen belfry]

might accept taht todayu

[vivid vessel]

can i add na people as froemds ..

awang ..

be my friond

[vapid sundial]

I used this emote so much that when i double tap a message its my auto reply

[vapid sundial]

Real talk

why isnt na eu etc

cross play

for non ranked

????

like hello

i dont care if im 150ms in an aram

i want to play with the homies

[keen belfry]

can u add cross pond friends in league?

i bet u cant

[vapid sundial]

no

I think actually

you will be able to in a year

when new client drops

cuz im pretty sure valorant lets u

might be wrng tho idk

[quaint mauve]

i think you can

i have my friend added and she’s eu

she server swapped tho

so idk

[vapid sundial]

nvm it doesnt

this company sucks

@keen belfry if im awake can play today

been playing poe2 so i can write an updated review on why i think the game sucsk

[keen belfry]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1299589862885953658/1411116332589518888/Medal_M4I7ucBEIQ.gif

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

i like this one too

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1378361361607688282/Untitled_video_-_Made_with_Clipchamp_23_1.gif?ex=6949448d&is=6947f30d&hm=179a1c431e1e21c62c6c159952bfda7b4a82c09735a6b4e9694b0b387c252a87&

unlucky healer had to otype

then dies

[quaint mauve]

what’s the new class?

i keep hearing it’s terrible

[vapid sundial]

druid

i wouldnt know

not something ill play

[quaint mauve]

bro all i wanna do is make a horde character on fucking nightslayer classic

but i can’t

[quaint mauve]

itd be 20x funnier if he got smited as soon as he came back

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry jg role matters! LOL

[hasty warren]

first time of the week seeing a jungler not inting the entire lobby

[quaint mauve]

you win when you int

look at the lillia

[hasty warren]

look like a kata diff tbh

[quaint mauve]

yeah she somehow solo killed my reksai on repeat

[hasty warren]

wtf was ur zaheen building too xd

[quaint mauve]

we had atakahn and my whole team is lvl 16

[quaint mauve]

not a single person on my team was on their main role

except for my lux

i had 2 mel mains on my team

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1365809666399141928/1366009511894061147/togif.gif

[hasty warren]

bruh

[keen belfry]

u dont even know the worst of it

[quaint mauve]

enemy team was taking baron after my reksai and zaheen died

i pinged my leona and lux to leave

and then i get flamed for opening their entire bot side

like

[keen belfry]

this was like, a 40 minute L

[quaint mauve]

THE WORST OF IT IS

their darius was 1-5

i killed their darius 5 times pre 15 and my zaheen lost lane

[desert forge]

how do you play around the trickster tier set in m+ as outlaw?

[keen belfry]

Maximize coups

[gaunt phoenix]

You prioritize SS as a builder when unseen blade is guaranteed (so after killing spree, or from weakaura timer)

When Coup is ready, you send it at normal combo points unless you have to use sinister strike, in which you would rather just send Coup early

This applies to both coup and the coup recast

You try to hold vanish until coups have been casted

So you vanish with several flawless form stacks active

[untold wadi]

when ur abt to lose AR, but ur max CP and u proc Ace n whatever, do u just push AR anyway to keep uptime?

or do u sac some AR uptime to minimize CP waste

cuz sometimes u end up with like, u gotta spend CP, spend Loaded Dice all while ur AR is almost out

and dont wanna waste the CP refill. always get hit w this dilemma

[gaunt phoenix]

I would think 25% more gcds outweighs the combo points

[untold wadi]

fuck the puntos

[tight kernel]

?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a tank item, i don't think it actually works on outlaw

[tight kernel]

dirty delete

we all saw it

@warm roost

[warm roost]

no one saw it

[tight kernel]

Yeah I feel like trinket effect shouldnt work according to tooltip

would be wild if it does work tho

[quaint mauve]

outlaw tank incoming

[jolly geyser]

midnight of discovery

[copper radish]

As long as it does more dmg than dps

[grim spear]

the maintenance playstyle of outlaw really feels a bit like playing a tank.

[frail veldt]

plate spinning is pretty universal

its a fun mechanic generally

[stuck sparrow]

only tank i hear frequent mentions of plate spinning is brm

[frail veldt]

well dh, dk, and bear all have like an "uptime" buff to worry about for staying alive

prot pala too I guess

I think brew might be the least of those imo but ive only played brew and dk

clearing stagger is kind of like a plate spin but the opposite haha

[bright cedar]

i go in with 18 stacks of netherprism (i know, i don't have a better trink), execute the perfect opener, 5 buffs, kir, killing spree, two coups, flawless form is up, i go into vanish, send all the BtEs with all the resets in the world, I finally feel like THIS IS PEAK GAMEPLAY

i look at the dps meter, I'm 4th, below the tank

but hey at least finally the spec starts to click and I almost have fun

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[covert kestrel]

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry playing jg in league is harder than being a neurosurgeon

[frail veldt]

ngl a spec that gets beaten by a tank in big pulls still feeling fun

is an impressive design accomplishment

[dawn talon]

i would rather try to remove a tumor from the brain of someone i love than play nid vs canyon

u just might be onto something

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf is canyon

oh the name of a player

[whole topaz]

according to faq i was thinkin u always send coup at low cp, if u have to build cps with SS, no matter is it after KS or not

i was wrong i guess?

[gaunt phoenix]

no that's right

you specifically prioritize SS over pistol shot/blade flurry when unseen blade guaranteed

that's it's own rule, and then coup you send early if you have to SS, whenever unseen blade is guaranteed or not

[whole topaz]

gotcha solo

ty

[mellow zephyr]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[zinc briar]

is raid working for u?

[tight kernel]

Yo wtf is this? 19 flood isnt that real

imagine simpin for wox

[frail veldt]

Yikes

Outlaw life

[quaint mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982342616614043680/1419842577003184138/image.gif

[crude elm]

is there no channel here for beta discussion?

[lime lake]

#midnight-outlaw

#midnight-subtlety

#midnight-assassination

[untold wadi]

banger grapple to save ar, but lost it anyway

rewarded for the effort tho (karma)

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[shell fossil]

40% vers 729 ilevel is not enuff lol

m a n

[spark quarry]

@untold carbon

[quaint mauve]

bro had no reason to do this other than to aura farm 😭

[untold wadi]

had to save ar

but the afk ticking ruined it anyway cuz j saved with like 0.03 unfort

[long barn]

!bf

[untold wadi]

95% ar and im still gapped in a key

spec is fried

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-brain-fries-some-gif-14151643

[lunar totem]

i know its probably been asked alot, but what ui does zac use? is it an available wa?

[random stirrup]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[random stirrup]

It’s there but there are some other addons like SUF. if you go to his author page on wago it has instructions for everything

but also midnight is executing addons in like a month so I wouldn’t go through the trouble of setting it up at this point

[shell fossil]

ye like adding 20% vers

worth of dps

even 15%

was outside the budget for outlaw this season

sigil of the cosmic hunt was not enough lol

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[jaunty moat]

where can i find m+ talents for beta guys ?

[hasty warren]

#midnight-outlaw

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry recovered from food poisoning and now im 1v9

[elder phoenix]

Did they buff outlaw

Why am i suddenly top dps after a few weeks of not doing m+

tf is going on

[hollow temple]

Probbaly barely people playing wow atm and those who play are casuals? 😂

[elder phoenix]

also whats with groups lately trying to carry their friend for free

been in like 5 random different groups that has a 690 ilvl friend tagging along in a 12+

like tf

I swear if there was no penalty to leave anymore id abandon so fast

[polar kelp]

I refused to continue a +11 yesterday for this reason. First pull I was more then double everyone's dps. Both other dps were 667 and 675...tank and heals 720. They wouldn't accept the abandon so I spent the next 30 minutes using tricks to throw aggro on the other players. 58 deaths later and I could finally leave the key

[untold wadi]

lol

had this like 5 times now

was like why is this fdk fighting for his life w the healer dam

oh hes 692

[hardy thicket]

I dont want to be a deserter so ill just intentionally grief for 30 minutes

[polar kelp]

It's not intentionally griefing. If you join a group and they say "hey, we are just going for a completion key for vault" that's totally fine, il leave. But if you join a key looking for IO and there's 0 chance of timing it because the dps are pulling 800k overall and shouldn't be there, that's another story

Then hold you hostage

[hardy thicket]

What

And bullying these people into an abandon because you deemed the key untimeable after 1 pull is what exactly

[untold wadi]

i dont even care

i just wanna play

who tf gaf abt score rn

ill join a 12 just to play tbh

[polar kelp]

Yea, I'm not spending 1.5hours in a key

Just not happening

[hardy thicket]

Like if you are that set on timing the key for some IO you can just do some due diligience when you join the group and be like nah im good and leave iuno

[glass mortar]

ngl on an 11 u could still time it with 1 real dps and a real healer/tank

i do that almost weekly

both dps under the tank

as long as people do mechanics

[polar kelp]

not if the other 2 dps know zero mechanics

literally new players

[glass mortar]

how did u know they were new players if u only did 1 pull tho

could just be alts

now i will admit if a group isnt open with the fact that two people are obvious carries playing alts id be annoyed

but u spent as long griefing them (even if they griefed u) as it woulda taken to time the key carrying them if they could do boss mechanics

[polar kelp]

first pull gambit, they both died about 4 times each from standing in swirlies....zero damage on fish stick totems so we couldnt finish the pull without resetting

[glass mortar]

yea ok that level of bad if it wasnt a completion only party id probably just afk

[untold wadi]

when does this happen tho

ever

even completion

[polar kelp]

lol you havent done many keys recently

[untold wadi]

i never seen anyone go that far

[untold wadi]

ive done ||67||

in the last few weeks

coming back after dfs4

so the leaver stuff is new, but ive found it pretty ok

66*

plus some duds to get gear obv

[torpid fiber]

How many?

[gaunt phoenix]

never type that number again.

[untold wadi]

mb

[burnt dragon]

#showtooltip Vanish
/cleartarget [dead]
/targetenemy [noexists]
/cast Vanish
/cast Between the Eyes
/cast Ghostly Strike
Will this macro make me not wanna BTE myself in the brawlers guild?

resetting these guys is infuriating

[long barn]

@gaunt phoenix - is wowhead updated correctly on BF usage with deft? It says to only use BF if BF is active and you have 4 CPs or less and 4 targets.

[frail veldt]

Not if you press it while on gcd

You'll still have the same issue even with a macro

[gaunt phoenix]

the deft minmax here should still be true #1276308344813916261 message

[earnest sphinx]

noob rengar gamer

[quaint mauve]

my talon wr is higher

[earnest sphinx]

i havent played league in a faaat min

game so bonkers now

[untold wadi]

its abt to get weirder

adc w 7 item

[glass mortar]

7 item adc will still lose to a 1.5 item toplaner dw 😠

[shell fossil]

guys i rolled 3 5 buffs and had fun

so loaded

[agile quiver]

so return when your social meter is filled and collectively wait for the fireworks
you mean when it's empty, lol

[quaint mauve]

i think it’s gonna get good

[quaint mauve]

i just wish i can play my assassins mid

i was a talon mid player b4 i went into jg

[elder phoenix]

tb h when i dont notice it and the M+ has started i just use the single button rotation slowly

or just auto attack

but

the single button rotation wont prob get you banned

[vivid vessel]

Xd

Who would have guessed moot was the type of mf to run it down

Me

Fucking moot

[desert tendon]

moot

[random stirrup]

Fellas out here hostaging a +11 in December 💀

[vapid sundial]

Can talon abuser call someone noob

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry 2 things that shouldnt be next to each other

[quaint mauve]

like u could literally 3 man 12s

why r we flaming over late season 12s

[earnest sphinx]

In my defense i am a returning oldszn player and ive been playing talon since before the rework !

i would play only katarina If she wasnt banned almost every game

[honest sparrow]

In my defense... Mentions wanting to play only kata

[earnest sphinx]

(champ with the weakest laning phase in the game)

very big variety

[dawn talon]

insta return talon w save us

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[copper radish]

26 days of this outlaw left pirates

[vivid vessel]

Are you really surprised from moot

Dude despicable

[tight kernel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gSzJf83suRoPYbLdSNhvWu
Yolo Im about to get brand so the game can tell me it doesnt work

[hasty warren]

only ?

[copper radish]

26 days till prepatch and midnight outlaw is live

🪦

[untold wadi]

26yrs and we have df/tww classic

[hasty warren]

so 26 days until I drop piracy ok

[untold wadi]

cant wait to reminisce

[hasty warren]

ngl I'm coping for BFA/SL remix

[copper radish]

I wouldn’t mind a BFA remix

[signal valley]

SL remix is going to be a blast

[latent panther]

It’s been real y’all. ty @gaunt phoenix for all the helpful tips and research. Outlaw truly is an amazing class, made more amazing by all the helpful content and people of this channel. You really should be the face of this class going forward. Happy Holidays!

[proper veldt]

Merry Christmas

[gaunt phoenix]

[craggy barn]

we celebrating solo? im down with that

lfg solo

[lime lake]

[royal ermine]

[torpid fiber]

[random stirrup]

[wintry solar]

Hiiii

[wintry solar]

Wish it'd hurry up

[hasty warren]

yo popo

[unique aurora]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[glad kestrel]

hello

may i ask some questions about spec right now?

[shell fossil]

merry chrismas btw

[wild heath]

Merry Christmas Pirates

[untold wadi]

close enough tbh

[wintry solar]

You gonna re-up once Midnight launches?

[untold wadi]

since i play with gold, yea prolly, but if outlaw really does turn into spec, then itll be back to tanking

[deep heart]

hello outlaws (the correct rogue spec) right now im tryna switch to coup
because the sfx are cool (also they still make your fucking coin flip pull shit out of combat), but i cant figure out some things

1. Why am I able to consume coup twice in a row sometimes??
2. Do we consume coup in stealth if we get to 4 escalating mid subterfuge
3. (not related to coup) when following finsher rules with the anima charged points, since it acts as a +3, do we finish at 2 points in stealth/3 outside?
4. Is killing spree a single target spell that is still hard capped to our
   blade flurry's 8 targets? Or is it an aoe that acts as an untightened leash on our target cap.
   4.5. Also why does killing spree not work when i face away from the dummies, yet the vfx point backwards
5. am i allowed to KiR 3 buffs if i get something like BS TB RP (no one likes pushing KiR when you get the 4 shit buffs without BS/TB)

oh yea sry for the paragraph so near to our great reckoning, but I swear cannot find any infos on these questions

ok, #5 answered, https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276308344813916261

[random stirrup]

1. Tier set 4p
2. Nop still bte
3. Finish as normal, pretend it isn’t up
4. St that flurries (but hits random targets in a 180 degree cone in front of you)

[honest sparrow]

Didn't they change killing spree to not work with bf anymore and just do random target dmg since the rework?

[vivid vessel]

No

It's worse than this

It works with bf

But it's random damage still

The st damage is rng targeting

And that flurries

Completely nonsensical

[pliant wind]

So its just padding damage

that sucks i prefer old KS damage style

:E

[honest sparrow]

That somehow feels like it was some actually work to change it from just having it flurries normally from your main target. Someone liked that rng part so good that the work was worth it to make it working like that

[vivid vessel]

Rogue devs

Need I say more

[deep heart]

very silly boi, i thought i read everything about that coup stuffs

thanks

[balmy topaz]

Fr

And it feels like feedback for abilities takes like 2 seasons to actually make it to them

Like KS won’t get fixed till 2nd season on midnight

[copper radish]

Aren’t u the rogue dev?

25 more days yall

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[unique aurora]

!macros

[untold wadi]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[long barn]

I feel sad already. Not sure why. Maybe I’ve been broken.

[deep heart]

to be honest, im so overwhelmed by the amount of available buttons

i feel like if i try to never waste coup/unseen procs I will end up overcapping on vanish

that combined with trying to put BtE on cd out of stealth

if possible, should i try to put my super charger points into BtE, or should i try and put them into coup?

[gaunt phoenix]

dont worry about this

bte cd is low enough that it's not worth delaying stuff

also you dont think about supercharged cps either

+3cps into dispatch, coup, bte, or killing spree is basically all the same

not enough to influence dps overall

I dont even track when supercharge is active

[deep heart]

that should help

thx

[kindred depot]

I have mythic warpclaw & antenna, and heroic sigil, is it worth to replace of the mythic ones with heroic sigil?

[copper radish]

I’d say do whatever feels good. Only 24 days left

[untold wadi]

i love outlaw!

(current iteration)

[copper radish]

i got something you should know in 24 days......

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[atomic garden]

So do we get some burst dmg in midnight or not?

[wintry solar]

No

[grim spear]

Tried playing outlaw on Dimensius 1/1
Cooked 1/1

[keen belfry]

Less

[copper radish]

outlaw is too good to have burst smh

[tight kernel]

big momma pull idk what else they wanted

Outlaw life ig

[copper radish]

bow down to the BM hunter gods

[quaint mauve]

playing outlaw is like

hmmm

nvm

bad metaphor

[tight kernel]

bro I just want 1 20flood

so i can not do it again

[quaint mauve]

that’s gonna be rough man ngl

flood sucks so bad

every pull feels dogshit for outlaw

[tight kernel]

i havent touched a flood since 16 lol

i dislike that dungeon

[quaint mauve]

i actually hate it more than db

[tight kernel]

I fucked up. I just got lazy mid season and played anything but wow

now im behind on io for title and no one wants to run a flood this late in the season lmao

just need 1 20 flood for title cutoff but what a struggle its been

[quaint mauve]

i feel you

even though i’m way too behind now

i was optimistic early season but now i have no drive to play

i got resil 16

and now i raid log

it’s too demotivating to sit in decline simulator

[tired marlin]

Is the best RTB weakaura the one by Muropaketti?

[untold wadi]

im more offended by eco

and the mobs that tp

[quaint mauve]

they’re annoying but the pulls themselves don’t feel bad

[keen belfry]

its their fault for inviting an outlaw with no druid or shaman

[uncut stratus]

this still a thing or nah?

the whole rtb 2x before a key and ar -> ks before the key starts?

[untold wadi]

so u can start with loaded yea

i bf in bubble and spam slice until bubble is down

then roll and ar when bf is 1s left

idr if thats perfect, but p sure i saw zac do that

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2648841376

id just check a rando vod to see

[pure folio]

yes

u can use snd to lower ur cds without spending supercharger

[copper radish]

Another day closer outlaws

[clear tulip]

[tight kernel]

Closer to what

A lesser version of the Outlaw?

[copper radish]

a new beginning

[glass mortar]

an old* beginning

new implies we got new stuffs

[keen belfry]

we got old stuff and less of it

kinda goated

[glass mortar]

old stuff but worse then it was when we had old stuff

nostalgic af

[limpid isle]

just replace RtB with Revealing Strike and its almost like we are back in full swing of combat

https://tenor.com/view/ferass18-gif-7869831930024597864

[keen belfry]

i think they replaced most things with fart and poop

[limpid isle]

https://tenor.com/view/scooby-doo-betrayal-sad-shaggy-rogers-existential-gif-5294391

[glass mortar]

i mean honestly i think im almost sold on them buffing autos to be like 30-40% of our dps

im playing panda classic rn leveling a rogue and just running around right clicking stuff to death

the gameplay is pretty goated ngl

watching my autos delete something when i press SnD

this is peak gameplay

[keen belfry]

i cant tell if fellowship lost me cause classes were too simple or other things

[glass mortar]

i mean its at the end of a season rn i imagine its lost alot of people

new season with some new classes and new rewards in january tho im ready

i hope the new melee dps is fast

i havent played since i got my christmas skin and mount

[quaint mauve]

fellowship is insanely simple but i liked it

classless is just meh tho

[keen belfry]

i liked it too, it jus thad no sticking power for me. but im unsure if its cuz of class design

[quaint mauve]

i just got bored idk

got to eternal and had no drive after

my gf liked it too but she was like the most casual of casuals

[dawn talon]

i just couldnt get into it

i tried but the visual style was very unappealing

and the gameplay was not compelling enough to make up for it

[uncut stratus]

I haven't looked out any spec changes for midnight

Is outlaw really gonna be that boring and auto-attackish? I always liked fury warrior and outlaw for the high apm/cpm

[lone spear]

the auto-attack thing is mainly just because a lot of our damage will now come from them

in terms of apm, at least in single target energy is mostly fine, its honestly similar to live, sometimes you go dry and gotta wait a global or two, but only when ur unlucky

adr lower uptime too ofc will hurt apm but itll be like early dragonflight

[glass mortar]

slower then early dragonflight

its 65 apm which is similar to legion or bfa probably

[uncut stratus]

Ngl they're making this game hella boring

Been playing since wrath and yeah there were a lot of class revamps and huge changes through different expansions, I just feel like all these new changes are maybe the biggest yet

[glass mortar]

yea i mean most peoples "changes" are just them removing parts of the kit and leaving it with whatevers left

thats us

[uncut stratus]

Let's see what happens, huh. I've found myself crying about retail since about bfa or Shadowlands yet I'm subbed 12/12 months a year

[glass mortar]

yea i mean ive never gone into an expac and had my spec just partially removed. Personally every single expac has either been a rework (change) or moving forward of design for specs/classes which was why i carried on

midnight is not a rework or reimagining, its just a simplification so im not holding my breath

[uncut stratus]

anyways idk why i keep forgetting this shit but

instant poison always, and either mind numbing or atrophic, correct?

also the higher ilvl weapon always goes MH?

[untold wadi]

sim

!mh

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[untold wadi]

yea, u can swap to heal cut for that mob in hoa

[humble vapor]

Hey guys! Is there a way to compete with spec like DK, pal or DH on big pulls like the first in Gambit? How do you start the pack? Every time I do it the murloc are all dead in 10s and others' dps just skyrocket

[untold wadi]

blade flurry mentioned

[untold wadi]

just link [Blade Flurry] and reset details after first pull

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/that's-the-neat-thing-that's-the-neat-part-invincible-gif-3109787441708074597

[copper radish]

Another day closer outlaws

[glass mortar]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[glass mortar]

@vital pelican

will likely be the same in midnight but cant know until we see how all the numbers end up

[quaint mauve]

no

there isn’t

[keen belfry]

the only way to compete on a pull like that is to play with players much worse than you and hope they also die (in game) mid pull

[dark bone]

someone got an outlaw build for the beta to share

[glass mortar]

#midnight-outlaw pins

[light dune]

what do you drop for these talents again in raid? 1 point FTH + thief's vers?

[untold wadi]

u cant drop from above the bottom 3 rows

cuz point req

but yea

fan

or ig ghostly if u want

dropping fan is anti fun imo

[tight kernel]

!prepull

[untold wadi]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[untold wadi]

[long barn]

What’s the range of BF

8 yards?

[frail veldt]

ye

[lucid hornet]

did the devs gave us any reason to why nerf grappling hook?

[torpid fiber]

They hate fun

[wintry solar]

They're going to add something new to it later in The Last Titan

[grim spear]

To make sure Devourer DH has the absolutely strongest “dash to cursor” mobility skill.

[vapid sundial]

Hello dead class chat

[copper radish]

used to be so lively here

[glass mortar]

end of expac with no real new content until prepatch at least

the games as dead as this chat but thats always the case

during this time period anyway

[jolly geyser]

everything is in hibernation

now is a good time to play other games unless you are boring

[upper hawk]

what should i do if i'm boring?

[glass mortar]

complain in here

🥹

[wild heath]

[tight kernel]

yo who got a 20 flood for me

[frail veldt]

Lol asking the outlaws

To give a 20 flood to another outlaw

Might as well just drop the key

[glass mortar]

dw everyone else will be dropping from the key when they join a group and see 2 outlaws

[hasty warren]

Happy new year pirates !

[untold wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/qeliameow-cat-paw-cats-paw-dance-gif-3807241812430059413

[copper radish]

2026. The year outlaw becomes S tier at least one season of Midnight

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-cat-waving-wave-paw-gif-18029335

[clear zephyr]

is there a way to not get out of combat when using vanish in the rotation?

[glass mortar]

bte very very fast

u can macro them together if u want for open world stuff

the real trick is u need to remember u can vanish off the gcd but u cant use an attack

so u need to make sure uve let ur full gcd swing before pressing vanish > attack

if u start mashing ur macro like ur gunna spellqueue BtE you will just vanish early, sit in stealth for a tick not doing any damage, and the mob will likely reset

[clear zephyr]

I'm really glad that this will not be a thing in Midnight

ty for the adv

[untold wadi]

lol

no more dance as law

but fr vanish actually makes me level as sub or assa

10/10 crinje

[quaint sable]

Decided new year new me, and thus restarted my wow sub are we still doing the dumb weapon swap thing in keys?. I havent played in like 4 months dont even have the turbo charge gear

[analog fog]

no

[waxen scarab]

How's outlaw looking so far next exp?

[proven ocean]

Most ppl hate it but if u will log beta lmk we try it together

[waxen scarab]

تم

[sacred rune]

it is a lot simpler, some like that others don't

as zeross mentioned, best is to try it

midnight/pre patch is completely new game direction and everything becomes simpler

pre patch is somewhat incomplete because of the lack of apex talents

[hasty warren]

huh

[sacred rune]

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/تم

[proven ocean]

ok dont try outlaw nvm it sucks balls

i just tried it abit

assa is also

why are they making everything giga slow thats so confusing

its even slower than bfa outlaw

might aswell play classic

[waxen scarab]

Fml

[copper radish]

what if... blizz is trying to blend the two... to make one going forward...

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1422618498991132914/image-7.gif

[frigid shale]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[frigid shale]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry i’m officially in the gold elo

always invade lvl 3.

[desert tendon]

Got a rengar lvl 3 invade yersteday

Big mistake

I wss lvl 18 he was 12

Coinflippers are my favorite

[keen belfry]

rengar in gold sounds hell, i think no one knows how to play with one even in emerald

[sacred rune]

nicu, congrats on improving

[terse prawn]

Someone said i was trolling and reported me today for doing solo shuffle in pve gear

[glass mortar]

its ok most people dont understand how outlaw works

[patent mirage]

someone hit me up with the "outlaw!! " meme

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[proven ocean]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif?ex=69596bf0&is=69581a70&hm=f20465140ab2bd5b0b4ace70b54394ace486f026a2e0af2626ebde53b93100de&=&width=611&height=134

[tough salmon]

why is blizzard beefing with you guys

[vivid vessel]

??

@mods

ban this guy

@gaunt phoenix

get this man out of here

[gaunt phoenix]

Wtf

[tough salmon]

+22 boost is expensive zac ...

youre in generational gold debt

[copper radish]

imagine if outlaw could top

[harsh karma]

Where can I see good talent builds in beta? Wanna test outlaw there

[tight kernel]

We finally got our floodgate lmao

ive ignored this key since it was a 16

[quaint mauve]

they fight mid for no reason die and then ping me when my ults down

it’s honestly a lot of split pushing

i play completely for myself

[keen belfry]

thats how u carry down there just keep ur gold income

[wintry solar]

@desert tendon my goat Bewildebeest claiming yet ANOTHER world record on twilight princess 100%

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1422618498991132914/image-7.gif

[quaint mauve]

you have more mental resilience than i

holy

[craggy barn]

we havnt seen nexus king in 3 months

and now we are trying to reclear it

[glass mortar]

wait did zacs tank really come in here just to light him up for barely beating a TANK in overall

🔥

[desert tendon]

I béat him whenever i start doing 100%

Just saying

[wintry solar]

back to back WRs

just sayin

[desert tendon]

in mgsd i did back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back to back wrs

just sayin

gdq incomming this week btw and after that in may i m gonna participate myself to a marathon

[timber coyote]

Heyo guys, I'm training outlaw on dummies, and i just found out that roll the dices is replacing my buffs instead of just adding or refreshing new ones, I mean that i'm loosing certains buffs randomly, when there are 30 seconds remaining on them, is it normal?

[hardy thicket]

yes

[timber coyote]

How can i avoid this?

[hardy thicket]

Read up here #1276308344813916261 message

[hardy thicket]

TDLR: Buffs need to be ahead of a "container" buff to not get rolled away and theres no way of telling which buffs are ahead without WAs and its dumb AF but thats how Outlaw works for like another 19 days (?)

[tight kernel]

I surely get OH dagger

I feel like Idol and Prism are just bait and Antenna is > Warpclaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Why idol bait

[tight kernel]

idk 60k dps increase? over antenna? Only good in aoe tho right? st it falls of hard

[craggy barn]

outlaw in st falls off hard, so no change there

[glass mortar]

optimizing for outlaw st in dungeons when outlaw does tank st in dungeons anyway

[elder phoenix]

yeah ngl annoyed that i mained rogue this tier

[amber perch]

Is Outlaw looking like the king for Midnight?

[gaunt phoenix]

It's just being stripped down

maybe not as much as other specs

[amber perch]

I"m just coming back to retail and trying to find a fun class that isn't insanely complex

[timber flame]

Hi guys, just getting back into it, really enjoyed outlaw. Had to switch servers. Hoping it stays viable.

[crude flower]

The day i stopped maining rogue felt good but im still tempted to hop back on

[elder phoenix]

kinda same,but its just annoying. i started my hunter 2 months ago and my hunter was doing dps as if i have 10 more ilvls on me

best part is im only using hekili for hunter lol so you know its prob not optimal at all.

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/war-dogs-war-dogs-movie-stressed-facepalm-gif-5727928

[honest sparrow]

Thats.... a self burn if i ever saw one

[vivid vessel]

Fucking moot

[vapid sundial]

Hi Zac

[vivid vessel]

hi

[astral granite]

How is outlaw looking in midnight?

[hardy thicket]

Claims Outlaw is really easy but uses a rotational addon for Hunter

[timber flame]

I almost dont care if its the worst dps in the game. Will still play it. But do kinda worry if theyre not wanted in raids

[sacred rune]

simpler^^

midnight changes a lot about how the game is designed so we can't rly say if thats good or bad

[astral granite]

I see, thanks fuu. I hope its not that simple, some of outlaw's fun was attached to being complex

[sacred rune]

it is not as energy flooded anymore

which not everyone likes

[astral granite]

Oh so its not fast-paced anymore

Its more slow

[sacred rune]

i assume it gets lower apm, but i haven't played it much on beta

[astral granite]

How is subt? 😄

[sacred rune]

solo, zac or one of our outlaw mains will probably be able to give you a better answer to that

subtlety lost 5 keybinds, cooldowns (who did not get purged) are lower and static, and many of the things that lead to gameplay deciions got removed. There are still some complex interactions left, but its unclear right now how much gaeplay impact they have on your rotaition

e.g. a good example is aoe

which on live is a decision between keep using single target spells for higher priority output, and aoe spells which depending on the target count are stronger (because of nimble flurry)

[astral granite]

5 keybinds wow

Is the core rotation touched? symbols/dance/shadow strike/evi/bs?

[sacred rune]

if you did not use a keybind for backstab in dance, 4

symbols got purged

so did flagellation

[sacred rune]

^ this got changed, and you now basically use storm + bp on 2+ targets always

(with evis for capstone potentially)

rotation is simpler

in aoe its storm + bp (maybe evis for capstone)

in st its backstab/strike and evis

[astral granite]

There is no rupture+or sectec anymore?

[sacred rune]

rupture got purged

[astral granite]

Woah

[sacred rune]

secret is now a static cd

so you can only use it once every while

means typically when you use dance

cooldown management could be not super intuitive because of haste cooldown reduction on secret

secret currently has 25 sec cd, dance 20 sec.
But secret is reduced by haste

you can line it up to use secret every dance even with the default cooldown

tho, and this counts for all 3 specs

there are quite some bugs on beta, so we will hopefully see some of them fixed before midnight

btw. we have midnight specific channels too:
#midnight-subtlety
#midnight-outlaw
#midnight-assassination

[astral granite]

Well it definitely changed. I wonder how the gameplay will feel like. I hope its not that different from what we have or at least engaging

Thanks fuu (:

[sacred rune]

one thing you will need to do for sure

is re-do your interface

the death of weakauras limits you quite a bit

[royal bane]

give outlaw an aspect of the eagle spell where everything is ranged for 15 secs so I can play the gunslinger I dream of

just blasting for 15 secs

[sacred rune]

i love the idea of hybrid specs

[desert tendon]

i love ideas

[tight kernel]

Outlaw in beta is different.. thats for sure

[sacred rune]

Think midnight opens a interessting dialog

the game gets simplified in so many ways

so is it fair to compare specs to the current standard or not?

[tight kernel]

Yeah cant compare apples to oranges

Until a set rotation and t/c starts happening Im just chilling

[sacred rune]

i have no answer to that,
I only know some people in here tried to convince people who got upset even at the very first broken subtlety iteration that things will be great.

[tight kernel]

[sacred rune]

so in the end it just comes down to your set expectations

the game shifts momentum in a more casual oriented, simplified direction

encounters, at least from raid testing don't seem to make up for the simpler rotations

[tight kernel]

Yeah RtB rules got giga simplified

[sacred rune]

which is one argument i hear a lot

tho i won't make a judgment

before we have something more finalized, maybe the new direction is fun and the best thing ever

and i can join the midnight fanclub

pre patch will give a first indication of it, so ~3 weeks for the first wave of it

[sacred rune]

don't worry, i am sure there will be special cases to create more complicated rulesets from

[copper radish]

im bout to ignore them and roll on CD cause blizz dont want us tracking anything LMAO

[hasty warren]

someone have the junk gif ?

nvm found it

[tight kernel]

I mean there is only 1 Icon now

so kinda easy, you see 2 dice then you chill. Reroll on 1 and kir at 3+ i believe

idk

[mint summit]

hello

i need an help

this is my toon, i can buy a dinar thing

i swap with a sword for single target dmg

4/8 m So i cant buy feet and other things. would be cool swapping the trinket for the ironclaw mitic?

[frail veldt]

thats actually super low dance cd wow

so sectec is hasted but not reduced by spenders anymore?

[sacred rune]

yes

its a static cooldown now

so depening on your haste value has a certain cooldown, without haste 25 secs

but 25 is enough to line up okay-ish with dances

[elder phoenix]

i think it made teh rotation alot smoother when i was testing it on beta

now that flagulation is gone i think

thank fuck

everything shadowland related should just be scrapped from the game

https://i.imgur.com/jVEeH72.jpeg lol old school rogues that played rogues back in wrath would understand this

[sacred rune]

it made decision making easier, i don't rly think its smoother

[elder phoenix]

Why is this not showing tf

https://i.imgur.com/zbRZOBV.jpeg

there it is

look how simple and elegant this is. https://i.imgur.com/4OQSkF6.jpeg when theres no flagulation

cant wait to see guilds do bosses in the new raid without weakauras

telling them what to do or where to go

[elder phoenix]

im actually curious what the dps looks like though

[untold wadi]

they still have dedicated raid leads

i doubt it'll be that much if a hindrance since they're able to be so coordinated

[frail veldt]

adorable to think they wont have weakauras

I am interested to see how they get around the changes

[signal valley]

Sneak2.lua

[exotic gale]

how much haste is needed right now to reduce sec tech to 20s?

[exotic gale]

well now the raid leader will have a harder job

[mighty pivot]

25%

[elder phoenix]

imagine ovinax LOL without weakauras

[thin fiber]

any1 else encountered this?

[vivid vessel]

just use a vpn bro

[untold wadi]

what regions does this show up for

brazil/turkey/russia?

[thin fiber]

Singapore here

[thin fiber]

turkey was blocked too

[glass mortar]

@gaunt phoenix @cinder relic

[cinder relic]

?

[untold wadi]

gotta reply to the scam so they see the deleted msg

[glass mortar]

right mb

[keen belfry]

talking to 2 french ppl in cyberpunk

ut hink they play outlaw

@vivid vessel

[desert tendon]

I hope no

It would he sad to play outlaw still in 2077

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[long barn]

Sooo… without WAs how will I track all the outlaw stuff

[untold wadi]

what outlaw stuff?

[patent mirage]

thats the point you wont have much to track

[desert tendon]

there nothing left to track

they thought about it

[stiff hawk]

This is such a cool Mission

Love Phantom liberty

[ornate wren]

I've been dabbling in rogue over the years but I've never committed. Played feral this past season.

Is midnight my time to don my cowl and load my pistols?

[untold wadi]

pewpew

[ornate wren]

https://tenor.com/view/equilibrium-christian-bale-guns-gif-15531805

Under rated movie imo

[ornate wren]

But seriously. Are we feeling good about outlaw? Is now a good time to dive in? Or should I wait for further development/fixes

[lone spear]

for people who are fans of current outlaw, which are most of us in here, the changes are a net negative since it slows down and simplifies a lot

but there are upsides to the changes, and for someone who only dabbled or hasnt tried it before, theres fun to be had for sure

[glass mortar]

you wont know what we had so u wont be missing what was lost

[untold wadi]

that's deep as fuck bro

[ornate wren]

Fair enough. I'm shopping around as shadow priest main. Our balance is so volatile, I'm hoping to find something fun and new to sink my teeth into and chew on.

Last time I played my rogue seriously was combat in mists. Some in legion. I've always maxed it out, but not much further than that.

[untold wadi]

outlaw is fun

even tho we're getting neutered u might enjoy

gun is fun

pew pew

[ornate wren]

The new killing spree animation is dope. Like gun nunchuks

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw will live on

Unfortunately killing spree is big stink

at least seemingly in the beta

[wintry solar]

KS is a low T ability

[gaunt phoenix]

low damage, stops auto attacks, random targeting

[wintry solar]

Bad animation

Truly nothing positive about it

I take that back, we don't die anymore

[untold wadi]

the amount of improvement is insane

source

my profile banner

zac my goat

[ornate wren]

I just like how I'm stationary now instead of clipping around getting myself turned around

[glass mortar]

they managed to pull off the incredible feat of taking an ability that could forcibly kill you rotationally and made it somehow feel even worse to press

[wintry solar]

Incredible feet

[untold wadi]

was cool to fuck with people in pvp though i bet

[glass mortar]

old kspree was very good in pvp

new kspree...

[wintry solar]

If a second target is near your primary, forget about it

Wpvp 1 shots is all it's good for

[ornate wren]

Very. Haha def got me killed more than once though

[untold wadi]

also sounds better imo

even tho it's quiet

i like the drumming

[glass mortar]

dw thats also fixed since it does fuckall damage in midnight

the only thing it has going for it on live is it does real damage

[keen belfry]

remember when ks was reworked to be a "worthy cooldown"

[mighty pivot]

no

[vivid vessel]

no

dead spec

[keen belfry]

assa zac season

even tho

i swear assa is actually so slow in ST

havent tried its aoe stuff but wtf i thought pooling was gonna be interactive!

[hardy thicket]

u thought waiting for a resource was gonna be interactive

[ornate wren]

It wasn't too bad as feral this past patch. It'll be manageable I'm sure. Tho obviously balls to the wall is usually more fun.

[glass mortar]

outlaw is not supposed to play like feral

thats assassination

we have two specs for people that like afking to watch their energy bar refill

thankfully it only happens as outlaw if a fight goes too long for tea or u get bad rng

[ornate wren]

I'm not saying it should play like feral. Just saying, waiting for a second or so for energy isn't the worst thing

[glass mortar]

if that happened regularly in the rotation it would be the worst thing

would probably make me drop outlaw if we had like 10-15% downtime

this isnt a downtime spec

[ornate wren]

I'm not arguing. Just giving my opinion.

[glass mortar]

sure

and im saying ur a bad kitty cat for having that opinion when 2 other rogue specs already exist for pooling enjoyers

😠

but enjoy ur time as a pirate

[ornate wren]

https://tenor.com/view/robbie-rotten-stefan-karl-lazy-town-pirate-parrot-gif-12378184

[frail veldt]

I think in some trickster logs on beta there were 10+ seconds of no button presses

once you run out of tea charges the spec gets to some pretty bad places

but we might stack haste to avoid these situations

oh but also yeah were no longer pirate themed they removed all of that haha

[ornate wren]

Devastating

[frail veldt]

for a spec with already pretty minimal class fantasty expression its a lil unfortunate

[ornate wren]

genuinely. I thought the pirate theme was delightful

[frail veldt]

same I think most people did

that was probably one of the most agreed upon things for outlaw enjoyers haha

[limpid isle]

https://tenor.com/view/goku-instant-transmission-dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-hi-gif-16715278

old ks in a nutshell