outlaw

[stark oracle]

infinite cheatability unlocked there

[vivid vessel]

ye

[stark oracle]

btw how do i get my kir tag

i see we are balling here

[vivid vessel]

you see that top left?

[stark oracle]

aha

fak yes

kir gaming

[vivid vessel]

[quaint mauve]

@wintry solar https://on.soundcloud.com/we0S6gbVbcdxgF8ue0

[wintry solar]

pretty tuff ngl

[burnt dragon]

myth track antennae or hero screams for M soul hunters?

i feel like there's so much moving i can't get my orbs

[shell fossil]

just got the kill as a sub rogue there's not that much movement once tanks figure out eye beams/positioning

[burnt dragon]

🙂

my tanks

keep missing taunts and dying

[shell fossil]

ye we did it in about 90 pulls

[burnt dragon]

this is our blood dk

[shell fossil]

there's no damage check except for the enrage at the end so pick trinket that's gonna get you under 10% etc etc

def turn off tott

and let the tanks sort it out

[burnt dragon]

yeah

we finally got past the third intermission last night but so many were dead we couldn't finish

i think ilyssa was at 6%?

i think it's a fun fight tbh

we have so many melee though

[shell fossil]

yeah we had melee trying to uptime during blade dance and ranged are doing ghosts which is apparently sub optimal

even though it's just wiggle wiggle on the double line and send damage lol

killed ilyssa in the air going into last intermission and got the other two before the enrage

[burnt dragon]

i heard our destro lock say "why are we so close to melee" in the second intermission and almost crashed out

yeah YOU can stand wherevery you want and hit all 3 bosses but some of us lost our long arms talent

[shell fossil]

the big thing is the soak groups

only ranged get em so that's part of learning the fight

[burnt dragon]

yeah

one of our healers was soloing that mechanic on heroic. to see how many stacks he could heal himself through. so when we got to mythic half our ranged didn't know how to mop up puddles

https://tenor.com/view/facepalm-really-stressed-mad-angry-gif-16109475

[shell fossil]

https://tenor.com/view/madness-combat-grunt-dance-madness-gif-14600340998937114379

wiggle wiggle wiggle

[jolly geyser]

Madness series

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[patent mirage]

howdy

[zealous lantern]

uuuh its cowboys now hello?

[terse prawn]

How does one get max ilvl crafted gear?
Does posting the work order mean it will get fulfilled or do you have to find someone?
Is it guaranteed to be max ilvl or can someone use the mats and give you a worse result?

[terse prawn]

Managed to find a reddit post that mostly explained it i think

[gaunt phoenix]

you have to find someone, usually trade chat if not guild

if you set rank 5 minimum quality, the person must create a rank 5 to fulfill the work order

if you supply the spark of starlight + enchanted gilded ethereal crest + gilded starlight matrix, then the rank 5 result will be 727 ilvl

[terse prawn]

Thanks mate

[hardy thicket]

Solo such a trooper

I played some BTM Outlaw and I sucked horribly all these small rules for trickster did my brain in

DF S3 Outlaw plez

(- the bugs)

[gaunt phoenix]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1212807554371948616/1361085621887701094/cymbaly.gif

@keen belfry

new one for the collection

[keen belfry]

hahaha

look what happened on dimmy prog

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1048716096217284653/1440556663592456272/Medal_vMUdd2co2c.gif

jumper cables into knock

[gaunt phoenix]

nice one

[dreamy tiger]

Anyone else getting massive lag spikes when pulling a lot of mobs on the beta?

Only happens when I play on my rogue

[craggy quiver]

Here's mine clip of the tier

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2622249369

[keen belfry]

WASHED

[craggy quiver]

Xd

[earnest sphinx]

https://tenor.com/view/dakwinjax-dark-win-jax-hahaha-ironic-laugh-league-of-legends-gif-20143029

[indigo token]

my guild got myth dim down

super proud of them

fuck blizzard for making the worst possible boss for outlaw

[indigo token]

nvm

i got kicked from the guild

how am i gonna find a guild when im 2/8m

i fucking hate this stupid dogshit game

this fucking AWFUL spec

[latent oak]

LMAO

roller coaster ride of emotions

gg u'll get em next time

[vivid vessel]

I'm sorry but

That's very funny

Sorry tho

[indigo token]

im really depressed

i wish i never even played this stupid game

[gaunt phoenix]

be free

[indigo token]

god

i hate everything and everyone rn

[vivid vessel]

even me?

im kinda nice idk

[frail veldt]

Tomorrow is a new day

[bronze wadi]

is souldbinder just a really good pad fight on mythic? i stepped into mythic for the first time tn and parsed decent for that fight but idk if its real or just fake pad damage

[stark oracle]

no way to track meld with this?

[vivid vessel]

no

[stark oracle]

end times

[frail veldt]

Yep it's a weird one cuz it's harder to parse the better your group is

[bronze wadi]

tragic

[indigo token]

i doubt it man

like

what do i have

6/8m on the easiest tier

and 2/8m on this one

im back on the fucking struggle bus next expansion

[quaint mauve]

skill issue

my guilds letting me troll

(prog on outlaw)

[indigo token]

i think its just such a profoundly demoralizing sensation

to see them kill mythic dim

and just get dropped

[quaint mauve]

those r guys r assholes bro

and if they can just do that to you without any second thought

[indigo token]

i mean im a trial

[quaint mauve]

should be like you’re sign to just drop them out your mind

[indigo token]

so they can do whatever they want

[quaint mauve]

there’s always more guilds looking for trials

[indigo token]

ig

[quaint mauve]

i got into my guild with no mythic exp since shadowlands

[indigo token]

it just feels like im completely hollow

theres nothing left for me to give

[quaint mauve]

take a break from wow

there’s a lot of good games out there

that won’t make you feel this way

rest of this season is midnight waiting room

[frail veldt]

I mean rogue was just pretty useless this tier

So not really much you can do about it

Sub was good in early prog

But most late CE guilds there's just not a good incentive to bring a rogue

So it's kinda up to you to way overperform

[quaint mauve]

my warrior looks at me everyday

saying “play me play me”

and day by day

it’s more tempting

[wintry solar]

become a GM

Havent been benched since

B)

[harsh forge]

bad gm not benching themself

[wintry solar]

mad with power

[harsh forge]

i joke

[wintry solar]

ever been mad without power? It sucks.

[harsh forge]

but fr if your guild is benching rogue bc it’s bad this late there’s no hope for you to get ce

with 15% buff you could get CE with 14 Outlaw

[wintry solar]

yeah youre kinda fucked but the good thing is we have each other

[indigo token]

its applying day everyone

kill me now

[indigo token]

no

they benched outlaw

they have a sub rogue

outlaw is just so dogass they dont bring me

because i cant play the other specs

its just blizzards fault

genuinely dont understand how im supossed to learn and enjoy the other specs when the main hands are different and require weeks of investment and playing to learn

and even then i might just not enjoy how they play so im fucked

the more I think about it the angrier I get

it is unacceptable that blizzard can just get away with designing a raid tier with a fight that certain classes cannot do

[dawn talon]

i mean i agree that it sucks but it's a cool ass fight for the vast, vast majority of players

[honest sparrow]

I mean outlaw shares his class with 2 of the best specs for that boss. And you can do it on outlaw aswell. It just terrible to the other options

[dawn talon]

we got shafted for the sake of like, basically everyone else in the game

[indigo token]

i dont give a single fuck if its ok for the 2 other specs or the other classes

[dawn talon]

dude nobody plays this dogshit ass spec even when it is good

[indigo token]

its world of warcraft not "everyone but outlaw and demo" of warcraft

[dawn talon]

that's just how it is

[indigo token]

i dont give a fuck if its how it is

it should change

[honest sparrow]

Yea then there is a fight where your spec is shit. Happens. Its just annoying thats it the end boss this tier

What should change?

[dawn talon]

uptime specs are at their very core incompatible with the kind of fight design most people want, the concession is that we have to do jank shit to play our jank spec

[indigo token]

the fights or the class

ideally the fight

god

im actually so mad i can barely think

[honest sparrow]

This fight is over next season. Its 1 season where the spc is terrible on a end boss. Its not that that never happend. With how different the classes and spec are its nearly impossible to design a fight where all specs are balanced within the tuning

[indigo token]

my problem is that im now fucked 6 ways from sunday

i was benched the whole tier

now that im out im stuck at 2/8M

and I have to rely on puigs

[honest sparrow]

Your guild doesnt reclear to get everyone their 8/8 on the roster?

[indigo token]

they just beat M dim

and an hour after they booted me from the guild

i was a trial so its understandable

but im still shattered

[honest sparrow]

Oh im sorry to hear that

[indigo token]

its fine

i just have to scramble for a half decent guild to get me far into mythic

at least 6/8M

[honest sparrow]

I find it a bit odd that they left you on trial on bench for a whole season. They should have talked with you way early to give you a reasonable chance to find a new guild to play with

[indigo token]

they never did

they kept promising me they'd bring me in for reclears

and the night they cleared

i was vocally anxious about being kicked out

and then they did

genuinely so unfair because they told me "oh you're on the bench you don't have to do anything"

then in their message of kicking they talk about my ilvl

like

[honest sparrow]

I just dont get why would you keep a trial to perma bench at all. But expecting to keep the char ready to anytime fill in is pretty normal if not called otherwise.

[indigo token]

i guess

idk maybe im just too green to understand how brutal the mythic trial process is

[honest sparrow]

All guilds i was in so far did not make any differences between trials and the older raiders. And after a few raids i was told that they are fine with me and then it was over.

[dawn talon]

if i were trialing any longer than like a month id riot

[elder phoenix]

from experience if you're trialiing longer than a month then

you're bad lol and they just keeping you cuz theyll feel bad kicking you out or rejecting you

[dawn talon]

ye

usualyl that's like a "can we afford this person as a culture hire" type of thing

bc they like you

but you're kinda ass or you play a spec that's turbo ass

[elder phoenix]

not even cuz they like you

[indigo token]

[elder phoenix]

its like this person isnt good enough for the raid but good enough to be a bench player

Or

this person isnt good enough and we dont have anyone applying

basically you're a placement holder

usually theyll know which one you are by the first week of trial

if youre good for the guild or just a footholder

[elder phoenix]

ilvl is so easy to get.... i went from 686 to 719 and i still have to upgrade a few of my slots..... went from 0 rating to 3.2k and i started this hunter 2 weeks ago

never touched a mythic raid

too

i think i only have 2 mythic piece item t oo

lol

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[shy meteor]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[terse prawn]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[nova sinew]

It’s fairly common in hof guilds to wait until ce before promoting, which may be several months from when you join

[indigo token]

i just wish i could have gotten like

at least 6/8M before they kicked me out

severance package

because the thing I hate more than anything is that this whole thing was a waste of time

i learned nothing I gained nothing i did nothing

[elder phoenix]

odds are sounds like its not about just the gear

Cuz gears so easy to get lol

[vocal yacht]

which m+ trinkets are good replacement for antenna/sigil for doing m+? (i'm assuming heroic antenna and sigil are not worth it?)

pacemaker and warpclaw sim similarly for me, i already have empowered crystal mythic in other slot (but can replace with 3rd dinar)

[sharp maple]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[weak crag]

is dagger and Mace/sword/ace equal in offhand?

[hardy thicket]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[hasty warren]

Idole is good in AOE

[latent panther]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[twilit crown]

is there a API SIMC for SoH builds targeting rolling RtB

[proven ocean]

api

[gaunt phoenix]

No, I didnt finish it

[hasty warren]

Hi pirate

[covert kestrel]

and then blizz finished solo

[brittle hatch]

Hey, quick question as I'm learning Trickster Outlaw rn for funsies: When I have Coup de Grace up, do I want to use it at low or high CP? It says in the tooltip that it function as if it had consumed 5CP, so I assume I press it at low CP?

[gaunt phoenix]

Normally high cps

but you press it at low cps if you would otherwise have to press sinister strike

[brittle hatch]

okay, gotcha. Thanks! Does it benefit from Deeper/Devious Stratagem at all?

[gaunt phoenix]

because sinister strike can proc unseen blade twice at any moment, and those are wasted if coup is ready

Yes coup is just a dispatch with +5 cps

[brittle hatch]

gaming, thanks a bunch.

[gaunt phoenix]

so at 7cps it is really 13cps

12cps even

math?

[brittle hatch]

the 13th cp is the friend we made along the way

[lost slate]

@vivid vessel found your backpack

[vivid vessel]

whadehelly

banger

[lost slate]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/new-bread-backpacks-available-from-pilgrims-bounty-holiday-dailies-379393?utm_source=discord-webhook

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-pirate-pirate-salute-salute-intergalactic-pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-25016099

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt look at this score breakdown

average of 36

[low glade]

LMAO

mind curving my grade 30 points rq?

[frail veldt]

typical engineering course

[keen belfry]

i always wonder

are stem professors failing us

cuz this was how my physics classes went

and my organic chem classes went

avgs of like 53 @frail veldt @quaint mauve

[frail veldt]

yeah you can probably argue past a certain point the students are clearly failing to grasp the info

[keen belfry]

yeah its for sure a mix

[elder phoenix]

bruh after gearing a meta class

doing m+ with a rogue is such a chore

RIP

i still need to do 2 more m+ this week

and this is painful

wym i cant burst to 35mil in aoe packs?!?!/ or higher

in 12s

[waxen scarab]

how is outlaw looking next exp?

[pure folio]

thats actually wicked work, is that the final grade for it?

[fervent tree]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

he curves grades at the end

he doesn’t curve exam scores

[copper radish]

My economics professor in college was some dude from Greece. Every exam had a 30 point curve even the final exam 😂

[untold wadi]

i love outlaw

[low glade]

good comms

[twilit crown]

Ooo will it be announced here?

[vast frost]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

No, I'm not working on TWW

[glass mortar]

wake up solo, its time to optimize outlaw apl another 0.5% dps so we can move from second worst to second worst in the game

😠

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[unborn basin]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-morning-coffee-cup-pirate-ship-pirates-gif-14865272601783818269

[ocean lodge]

Horrid.

[glass mortar]

about 22% slower, way less ogcds, your main rotation is your live filler rotation (just looping PS/SS into dispatch) with the occasional bte or bte proc

RtB is more normalized and improved

if those things sound attractive to u then it might be looking good

if not then u will probably be a bit dissapointed

also less flexibility and weaker defensives/mechanic cheesing tools

[gaunt phoenix]

The spec is going back to like season 1 dragonflight with no extra fluff at all

it's just the core of the spec, building and finishing, some procs, very little decision making

[glass mortar]

slower even i think, plus no dance vanish looping gameplay

i think its probably most similar to early bfa but maybe alot of people didnt play then

[gaunt phoenix]

that's what I mean, dragonfight BUT with nothing added

so worse than dragonflight

[glass mortar]

start of dragonflight if u talented no HO no stealth stuff and had less adr and apm still

yea

[magic shuttle]

Season 1 will be the blade rush experience

[tacit shuttle]

How is BtE feeling with the changes? Is it really that radically different since crackshots basically been rolled up?

[glass mortar]

crackshot is gone

u get a few bte in a row every now and then

[gaunt phoenix]

bte is just bte, every now and then it resets

[glass mortar]

proc rate feels low and its completely random

u cast it when its off cd and thats it, theres no windows anymore

its better then ace was pre crackshot

its far worse then crackshot tho

doesnt even feel a little similar to me

[gaunt phoenix]

And optimally we are going to play 1 point in ace so the reset is only half cps

[glass mortar]

🙂

[quaint mauve]

[gaunt phoenix]

They took the fun out of ace

[glass mortar]

yea pathing and the fact that ace is 2 points and both points impact gameplay so if u go 1 point u probably dont even mash ace

an ace proc u would still build likely

[tacit shuttle]

Seems to me like they're trying to capture a bit of combat

[glass mortar]

combat is a massively dumbed down version of what we were already doing

so i guess u could say that

the easiest way to consider it is everything u are doing as filler on live is now ur entire rotation

[tacit shuttle]

Indeed. I'm mostly gonna miss the vanish cdr in pvp

[glass mortar]

yea outlaws not rlly got anything going for it in pvp in midnight

if it doesnt do massive damage its going to be very bad

almost no self root breaks, 1 cheap shot every 2 minuites (assuming u save vanish for setups)

[tacit shuttle]

I'll still probably main it. I ride or die this spec.

[glass mortar]

big nerfs to ur pvp tankiness

no evasion on cdr

and they havent unnerfed RBs pvp nerf despite the midnight changes leading to far less cdr churn in general so ur kinda double hit

[gaunt phoenix]

I'm indifferent but leaning towards it's kind of boring, unless ace becomes a 1-pointer for 5cps again

but that won't happen so

[tacit shuttle]

Is the gameplay loop really that much slower?

[glass mortar]

then live yes

i mean probably then any variant of outlaw we've had since bfa?

i dont remember bfa apm tbh

midnight looks to be mid 60s apm wise

on live we push 90

last expac we were high 70s to mid 80s

[frail veldt]

bte crits are also nerfed in pvp still afaik

lol

so bte is gona do less damage than dispatch

in pvp

[glass mortar]

also fast hook is gone

[frail veldt]

and vanish rb gone

[glass mortar]

so hook kicking is going to be very tough to pull off in pvp

[gaunt phoenix]

it's "literally" slower because you dont have adrenaline rush permanently anymore, though personally I don't "feel" all that slower if energy permits

[frail veldt]

outlaw is gona be like a really shitty warrior in pvp haha

[glass mortar]

hook is slow af

warrior with less ability to setup and easier to counter high hitting abilities and arguably less defensives against melee cleaves tbh

outlaw looks so horrid in pvp next expac its pretty funny

[magic shuttle]

I thought they would revert the rb nerf for pvp

[glass mortar]

we went from root proof to being basically unable to break any

[glass mortar]

they probably just forgot and itll be fixed by season 1

[tacit shuttle]

Yeah...the defensive purge that I'm seeing across the board concerns me.

[magic shuttle]

Yeah was thinking it's an oversight

[tacit shuttle]

Season 2 is when the post release clarity hits

But rogue...gets missed frequently

[frail veldt]

for me it partly feels slower cuz theres so few decisions to make

[tacit shuttle]

Still. I'm happy that vanish will be out of the dps rotation

[gaunt phoenix]

Also the hero trees, while improved to not be a net loss in annoyance, just legit do nothing

[frail veldt]

cuz its easier so I just know my next button already

I think they honestly need to remove feint eneryg cost

its the only defensive in the game with a cost

and with how nerfed outlaw energy is

[tacit shuttle]

I'm gonna miss smashing my keys at breakneck pace, but there is something nice about a little more structure to the rotation.

[frail veldt]

its gona actually get you killed sometimes

[glass mortar]

its the same structure just with less things to do

idk what u mean by structure

nothing has been added

[frail veldt]

predictability

[glass mortar]

ur just doing live outlaws filler, all the time

[frail veldt]

ease

[glass mortar]

thats ur entire rotation

its the same otherwise

[frail veldt]

just positive words for repetitive

[tacit shuttle]

Precisely this.

[frail veldt]

its boring with a twist haha

[glass mortar]

i mean its still not predictable

i guess what u mean is theres no longer any planning?

[frail veldt]

its more predictable

[glass mortar]

everything is just react to the procs

[frail veldt]

its just objectively easier

[glass mortar]

no thinking about vanish charges

[frail veldt]

theres only like 3 options....

[glass mortar]

yea its def easier of course

[tacit shuttle]

It is objectively easier.

[frail veldt]

you either build with 2 options, or finish with 2 options

[glass mortar]

yes much easier

its just as much about procs tho

[gaunt phoenix]

BS SNC are permanently active

[frail veldt]

yeah and BS is more boring now

cuz it only buffs SS

[gaunt phoenix]

and CTO is gone

[frail veldt]

yeah that one makes me sad 🙁

[tacit shuttle]

Well. I didn't work so hard getting hallowed blade of the thunderlords 1000 pvp kills to give up my sweet double swords.

[magic shuttle]

Cto being gone is quite nice, I did not enjoy the df iteration of the spell

[glass mortar]

i mean RtB is a large loss in fantasy and flavor imo

[frail veldt]

I loved it, added a really nice variety to the rotation

[glass mortar]

the new rtb is just better then basically any version of rtb theyve made i can think of tho

actual design wise

[magic shuttle]

I prefered the sl version of cto much more

[frail veldt]

that it only procced from stealth?

I forget how it was different

[glass mortar]

it was 99% from stealth

[craggy quiver]

That would be giga busted in crackshot

[glass mortar]

with the max level conduit wasnt it

you got a guarenteed RtB buff after vanish dispatch

[magic shuttle]

You ambushed from stealth to proc it

[glass mortar]

or ambush w/e

[tacit shuttle]

So what does our rotation quintessentially look like now? The same, a little slower, and pressing bte off cd?

[frail veldt]

not at all the same

I mean

[glass mortar]

press SS, consume PS procs without wasting CP, press dispatch

press bte when it lights up (procced) or is off cd

[magic shuttle]

Funilly enough that conduit worked with assa rogue ambush and blindside procs but was never worth it

[frail veldt]

there are not really any nuanced builder rules

as far as we can tell so far

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean this is the rotation #midnight-outlaw message

that is the whole thing

[tacit shuttle]

Cheers.

[frail veldt]

its press PS with proc, press SS with no proc, press bte if up, press dispatch if not

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe finisher rule will change

if you talent keep it rolling, use it at stage 3 or 4 rtb

(we are unsure if kir is worth it)

[tacit shuttle]

Gotcha. Does it reroll stages or simply advance to the next random tier if lower?

[glass mortar]

it isnt impacted by ur previous stage, when u press RtB each time it rolls and puts u at a stage at random

[tacit shuttle]

Gotcha.

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a random roll, the chances seem approximately 50% / 40% / 9% / 1%

[tacit shuttle]

Thank you guys for all the information.

[glass mortar]

basically you are guarenteed SnC at minimum, u will have broadside and SnC most of the time

which are the most impactful buffs rotationally so

[gaunt phoenix]

if loaded dice is active, it will take your normal roll and bump it by 1 stage, so the chances become 0% / 50% / 40% / 10%

[tacit shuttle]

Noted. Noted.

Yeah I will probably play it anyways. I will say retractable grappling hook is such a tremendous loss I will mourn

[gaunt phoenix]

not exactly sure what sleight of hand is doing, need more trials

[glass mortar]

in pvp especially hook kicking was very satisfying skill play for outlaw

its going to be nigh impossible with fast hook gone

can still hook gouge i guess

[tacit shuttle]

Its not the same

[glass mortar]

nope it certainly isnt

[tacit shuttle]

Honestly hook kicking was so much dopamine Y_Y

[glass mortar]

mhm

i mean outlaw lost basically everything it had that made it a bad target to train in pvp which it leaned on pretty heavily this expac and last honestly

i cant imagine it not feeling super squishy next expac and idk how they plan to address it

ur gunna need to be babysat by ur team even if u do enough damage to be viable

[tacit shuttle]

Well. At least we can finally have consistent solo adventures without resetting encounters.

Right? RIGHT?!

[glass mortar]

i mean our solo play kit also got massively hit

[tacit shuttle]

RIIIIIIGHT?!

[glass mortar]

crackshot for all its annoyances with reseting, was cracked for open world play

[tacit shuttle]

[glass mortar]

normal mobs all die within ur first window

[frail veldt]

crackshot just needed to be removed from vanish lol

it was such fun gameplay

to have a window of actual damage

as outlaw

[tacit shuttle]

I agree.

[glass mortar]

elites ur biggest concern is reseting because by rotating through evasion/vial/vanish healing you could actually live for extended periods of time vs strong elites/rares

idk how the fuk ur gunna do the solo world stuff i was doing on live next expac

lost like all ur healing

and all ur evasion

and u cant burst dangerous elites

[tacit shuttle]

Crackshot always made my brain go brr. Getting 9 procs back to back sent my soul into orbit

"So anyway I started blastin"

What honestly concerns me is, is it more fun than assa or subtlety

I've always felt it was. Perhaps that could change with this expac.

[frail veldt]

sub is literally afk gameplay

[gaunt phoenix]

Sub is completely stripped of everything, more than outlaw

[tacit shuttle]

Yikes.

[gaunt phoenix]

sin is bugged atm so idk

[frail veldt]

sub is less engaging than classic wow rotations

[tacit shuttle]

Yiiikes.

[glass mortar]

i wouldnt put too many hopes on sin either since its intended design has always seemed to be "the easiest entry level rogue spec"

like anytime it gets close to being apm capped (60 apm) they purposefully nerf its energy so it has downtime

the intended gameplay involves pooling so if u dont like pooling its probably not a spec for u

[tacit shuttle]

I do like the class fantasy and dots. But ill probably main outlaw when expac hits live for better or worse.

Rogue with giant fuck all swords just hits me where I live.

So I do have one pertinent question to some age old outlaw issues

Presently on live with vanish tied to damage and survivability

How does one optimally not reset encounters when solo?

Any advice or is it up to the gods?

[glass mortar]

make sure u are off global before u vanish

so u can be hitting ur damage button as u hit vanish and they both go off at the same time

works 98% of the time

[tacit shuttle]

Yep. That is definitely the mistake I've been making

[glass mortar]

u can even macro a damage button to vanish if u really want to

[tacit shuttle]

Especially since vanish is ogcd

[glass mortar]

but usuaally when stuff is reseting its because of that yea

ur 90% of the way off the gcd, but vanish is ogcd so u vanish and have 0.2s of downtime not doing any damage to the mob since ur still on the gcd

[tacit shuttle]

Wouldn't the macro have arbitrary delay?

[glass mortar]

yes

dont use it for serious pve content

u dont care about losing 0.2s off a gcd over reseting a mob when ur soloing tho

it is clunky ,and it should have been fixed long ago

them basically deleting vanish as a utility tool for us is not the compromise i wanted tho

[tacit shuttle]

Crackshot off of vanish is what I wanted.

[glass mortar]

ye same

[tacit shuttle]

C'est la vie.

[glass mortar]

coulda procced crackshot off kspree

or br

or hell, the new apex coulda procced crackshot

whenever u hit that 6th bullet ur next BtE will start a crackshot window

[tacit shuttle]

Dude that would actually add some huge value to ks, but maybe br since the channel time on ks feels shit

[glass mortar]

(personally i think kspree makes the most sense since it also refills ur cp bar as u finish it)

[tacit shuttle]

Fuck thats true

[glass mortar]

spilt milk at this point tho its not coming back

[tacit shuttle]

True true.

I'll settle for less bullets.

[glass mortar]

i just want them to fix ace/fth 2 point talents and put vanish back on RB or make 2 charge vanish a viable talent for us

[tacit shuttle]

At least they let us keep double hook

[glass mortar]

bring back fast grapple

and id be

less upset

[tacit shuttle]

Hm hm. I was thinking of making a devour dh but it seems like have the abilities are missing from that spec lol

[glass mortar]

itll probably be good

[tacit shuttle]

Seems to me its a bit of an accessibility roll back across the board honestly though

[glass mortar]

it looks so boring i havent even had the desire to test it tbh

yea for sure

some specs got hit more then others

i dont really understand the feeling of the need to lobotomize everyone in the game at once but w/e

[tacit shuttle]

One thing I always respected about outlaw was straight up because it was the highest apm adhd class

Absolutely love my piano classes. Mained machinist in ffxiv

And guns man.

Never could get into hunter

But outlaw felt slick. Like my deadeye in gw2

[glass mortar]

we will probably still be top 10 apm specs in the game

we would still be with midnight apm even on live

more similar to a fury warrior then what we have tho

fast but not unhinged

[tacit shuttle]

A worse fury warrior haha

[glass mortar]

well

[tacit shuttle]

Being unhinged was the best part though

[glass mortar]

yes i agree

but many do not im sure and will happy to be playing greatly simplified outlaw

[tacit shuttle]

Thats fair. Vocal minority aside. I can recognize this will make outlaw a much more approachable spec for people

[glass mortar]

to be clear i think every single aspect of midnight law is a clear step down and depressing deletion of a spec i enjoy on live. it isnt so bad its unplayable, what pushes it over the edge to me is the destruction of its cheesing toolkit as well

part of what made outlaw feel unhinged was managing to time the very small amount of flexibility we have in crackshot windows to outplay mechancis with vanish or to last minute grapple to avoid things

with the changes to vanish and speedy grapple thats just gone

ur just another melee now

bit more punished by downtime

thats about it

[tacit shuttle]

Squishy pirate.

[dawn talon]

a big thing about outlaw was feeling like you were breaking the rules of the game

and that was fun

[glass mortar]

yup

[tacit shuttle]

Agreed

[dawn talon]

the amount of stuff you could ignore between vanish, eva/cloak, feint being as strong and available as it is, and grapple

really made it feel different from other melees

[glass mortar]

the thing is u basically had to ignore those things

[dawn talon]

and i could get over that really if they had kept like... anything?

[glass mortar]

to get equal payoff to the other specs

that was why it was unhinged

[dawn talon]

yea

[glass mortar]

im just not looking forward to needing freedoms anytime they do a fight like queen or even broodkeeper again

i like being self reliant

hunters got kind a a stacked toolkit next expac ngl

somehow the only things they lost were aoe stops

[tacit shuttle]

my face after grapple hooking faster than a 999 vers demon hunter in remix

Me first me first

[glass mortar]

remember rashanan with fatebound grapple

outlaw does actually feel like cheating sometimes

me standing at the boss arrival point before the boss even gets there

with the raid half a room away

[tacit shuttle]

Goooood it was the best being a speedy little bitch

[latent oak]

are u gunna play midnight weran

[glass mortar]

well yes because i am a sheep who preordered it before they announced this whole addon thing

since they were gigabrained enough to wait to announce it until after letting half their playerbase preorder

and i wont be able to get a refund

i dont plan to reup my sub at this point tho and i keep waiting for anything on beta to change to make me want to

i dont have enough respect for blizzard to give them a season 1 of being absolute dogshit just to try to fix the issues an deliver on the promises of pre alpha in s2 anymore tho

might finally escape wows orbit for good

[tacit shuttle]

What's the add on thing?

[latent oak]

think i read ppls refunds were being accepted after the addon announcement

might be worth a try

[glass mortar]

most addons are being deleted or massively restriced in midnight

[tacit shuttle]

WHAT?!

[glass mortar]

yes

oh ur a pvper

omnicd is gone completely

u cant track allies or enemies abilities at all anymore

[tacit shuttle]

WHAAAAT!?!?

Oh my GOD

[latent oak]

addons cant even track ur own cds :)

[glass mortar]

^

so WA ability to track ur own things is also 90% gone

[tacit shuttle]

Well thanks for saving me from the preorder

What is this move???

Who the hell is it for????

[latent oak]

for the devs xd

[glass mortar]

the idea is make the game less reliant on addons and have the base UI provide u all the stuff u want to know

which isnt a bad goal

the failure as usual for blizzard, is the execution

the baseline UI replacements for addons in midnight so far are... largely terrible

and some features (like omnicd) will likely never come back

[tacit shuttle]

But holy shit you can have one and the other

[glass mortar]

apparently not

🙂

[tacit shuttle]

[hardy thicket]

Blizzard is not really known for having one and the other

on anything

[tacit shuttle]

If it were like guild wars 2's UI id be very okay with it but Jesus christ

[dawn talon]

what do you mean i love the nameplate ferriswheel

[glass mortar]

nameplates are uniquely bad i wont drag their basic ability/buff tracker

its... rough and you need to basically download addons just to reskin it to make it look good which is a hilarious change to the gamestate after decades of customizing our own uis

but nameplates on ptr are attrocious

and quite funny to look at

[tacit shuttle]

What a sad revelation to be had on this Tuesday morning

It heartens me to know I'm sufficiently avoiding news on anything at least

Helps with the depression yo

[glass mortar]

now i want a raid boss whose mechanics are all just breaking the UI

the boss flings his nameplate across the room and you need to run over to it to be able to even do damage to him

[tacit shuttle]

Dude a psycho mantis coded raid boss would be fire

[glass mortar]

the nameplate dodges ur mouse as u chase it around

everyone moves out of a boss cast and he stops casting retargets it to where u moved and starts again

[latent oak]

raszageth winds push ur cursor around the screen

[tacit shuttle]

A boss acting like a player, @.@

He kicks your spell cast

Then casts every classes movement abilities

Fury warrior engages he procs evade

Lol the pvp community might peek in for some pve

[glass mortar]

it would be a very funny 1 off boss

[tacit shuttle]

I would like to see something like a larval tear kind of boss

Where it's a raid group vs themselves

Everybody stripping off their gear before the go in

[latent oak]

the boss is rlp and u spend most of the encounter stunned or feared

[tacit shuttle]

HAHAHA

[glass mortar]

give the boss a ranged kick it uses on cd and since its an npc u cant fake it

someone in ur raid just gets interupted at random every 20s

mobs with kicks always make me laugh, its like one of the most toxic things u can make for casters

"here face a literal kickbot"

[frail veldt]

bro @tacit shuttle this is good what

pvp is the only content benefiting from no cd tracking

pvp is literally the only thing im looking forward to in midnight

oh and housing

[low glade]

no cd tracking in pvp actually sounds fucking sick

[glass mortar]

not being able to track kicks is pretty sick

[frail veldt]

that ones gona suck

other than that

[glass mortar]

*i say never intending to play a caster again for as long as i live *

[frail veldt]

itll be fine

I love vanishing and then getting insta scatter shot/disarm/cced on every subterfuge

cu they have a wa blaring in their ear

[glass mortar]

i mean thats pretty fixed tho

since u dont have a go anymore

u just kinda do damage sometimes

a bit more during adr

[frail veldt]

nah stopping your subterfuge means stopping your cheap shots

its a big deal

that is still your go

you cant kill shit without cross cc on outlaw

your damage is too piss

[glass mortar]

i sure hope thats not still ur go unless ur planning on doing 1 go every 2 minutes

or playing like a sub rogue and running away to pillars for resets the whole match

[quaint mauve]

dampening spec

[frail veldt]

Oh you mean in midnight

We have no go lol

just kidney shot

and KS maybe

[glass mortar]

gouge one guy, kidney the other, unload on the third

[frail veldt]

but isnt KS like giga nerfed?

[glass mortar]

(by unload I mean pres SS into PS into dispatch for 5s and hope a health bar moves)

U N L O A D

ks is a substantially smaller damage contribution for trickster in midnigth so far so yea

it got a 60? 65%? nerf in the initial changes

[gaunt phoenix]

U N L O A D

[glass mortar]

not like u want ks to be a big part of ur damage tho

its so hilariously easy to shut down in pvp

almost moreso then crackshot

at least u couldnt really kite crackshot

[frail veldt]

thats so depressing haha

that was our only burst on live

cuz bte is so nerfed in pvp

ks does more damage than a full crackshot

[still maple]

Hello guy's / salut les gars actuellement a la recherche d'un rogue qui peut m'aider a apprendre a joué la classe et partir sur de grosse clef dispo n'importe quand juste dm moi et on voit tout ca / search rogue to learn class if someone have time to help me need to do my main and go high key with it thx all have a great day/night

[frail veldt]

@vivid vessel

[still maple]

my dream if the goat learn me

[lunar mantle]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[untold wadi]

!prepull

!pp

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[untold wadi]

when ur mid KS and u got 4-5 buffs with like 0.5 sec to click KiR do u just rip it

ks is lil bit annoying

[twilit vortex]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[frail veldt]

Def cancel KS

But also you should kired before the KS ideally

It's not like you gained a buff during KS

Unless the KS gave you KiR back

But yeah for sure cancel KS to KiR

[untold wadi]

true, skill issue

[elder phoenix]

real talk

how do you guys

log in

and do m+

everyday lol

like im struggling to log in rn all i did today was log in to get vault

and logged off

i got 14 resil on rogue and im halfway through 14 resil on hunter

but i cba

[covert kestrel]

Most of us aren't anymore lmao

Wow is a seasonal game, play for like 4-6 weeks each season then bail for other games til new content

[proven ocean]

We all quit ur the one whos still logging in

Midnight is gonna be worse good luck

[untold wadi]

almost

just gotta enjoy it while its still here ngl

classic TWW server for outlaw when

i even come back to feint off gcd and theyre killing my baby

[atomic arrow]

my outlaw goats

[glass mortar]

its a hostage situation

this version of outlaw will never exist again

we all know we r never getting a classic TWW

and midnight has ripped out all the core of what is new from DF onward really

so the only time u have to play this version of outlaw if you like it is until prepatch and then its gone forever

just turn off details meter 🥹

enjoy the flow

[eager rose]

Addon or aura?

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[tropic zephyr]

Why does the pirate has a tail

[hasty warren]

why not ?

[low glade]

this is really great

[vivid breach]

im 1000% braindamaged but whats causing KS to sometimes be way shorter cast?

[glass mortar]

how much haste u have or how many CP it consumed

a supercharged ks will have a cast time as if it had +3 CPs

thats close to 50% longer

while bloodlust will make it 30% shorter

or however much haste it gives

as will any temp haste amp

[vivid breach]

ahhh, yeah ok i get it now! ty

[untold wadi]

wym

just showing i almost got gcd cap in haste

[glass mortar]

u are already past the cap

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[glass mortar]

unless for some reason you arent talented into alacrity

[untold wadi]

ah ima silly billy, thx

unc forgets sometimes

[untold wadi]

whats the best ability to macro trinket to, KS and Vanish? i just kinda forgor to use it a lot

sometimes u use vanish to hold stealth when u cant attack tho, so thinking ks is betta

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[untold wadi]

!trinket

also back into it finally

best spec eva

fine.. i will fumble a little

or find better bind

macro GS tho, neva happening

[frail veldt]

haha yeah you just have to make a button for em

there are non optimal things you could macro it to like dispatch but you might delay uses

[untold wadi]

had too many GS KIR VANISH AR BTE trinket moments lol

also shoutout vanish single handedly ruining delves

solo anyway

[frail veldt]

just have to open faster after the vanish

if you have tricks on brann its usually fine

[untold wadi]

alr passed that regearing phase, but felt like he just died perma

could be low levle brand maybe

hes like 42

[torpid fiber]

use healer brann

he never dies

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[vapid blaze]

zac are your mrt routes public or smth

[serene brook]

i did it xd

[vivid vessel]

you can get them on raiderio prolly

thjey arent public as in i cba sharing them somewhere

[vapid blaze]

ye i forgot

[vivid vessel]

but they arent private either

[vapid blaze]

works most of the time from raiderio

[vivid vessel]

ye

[vapid blaze]

how hard is going left btw in prio

[zenith egret]

Guys... Would like to know if KS is responsible here for the death of my mates ?
I have the soak (P2 Mythic Dim), KS when on position and then mates got bumped like they're not in while being in ?

I know we don't move anymore with KS but is there a world ?

This is the log linked to this in case : https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/8BcV9FHn1kxaRzNw?fight=34

[vivid vessel]

ks doesnt move you cuh

idk why they get bumbed

bug

[zenith egret]

Yea I know but the only one not being bumped are me cause soak zone and DK cause.. DK

[serene brook]

i dont know if it was mentioned before, but for some reason, outlaw is only spec who got destealthed when fight with dimensius starts, idk why, and I hate it sm

[burnt dragon]

It's a bug with subterfuge

[vivid vessel]

subterfuge stealth has alway been different

for example in the maze in mist

with subt you dont get unstealthed

but without you do

[serene brook]

small indie company quality on LAST MYTHIC BOSS

mb its a good thing that subterfuge is gone in midnight, i dunno... I really love current TWW gameplay, but with all these bugs and shit tuning...

[shy pecan]

are we dooming about midnight or na?

[quaint mauve]

do u just have to use vanish

to open

[serene brook]

i didnt, i just go pre bladefurry + stealth -> instaportal -> adr - rtb - bte - ks - continue with normal rotation, funny thing is, i was always 1-3 top dps on 1st phase, rip 2nd and 3rd tho

[untold wadi]

yes ofc

not my outlaw

[granite merlin]

From my couple hours of testing I have enjoyed it so far. More than a lot of other classes

[untold wadi]

step still in outlaw book

[untold wadi]

no group invites so hit dummies to make the most of the time left

[sullen iris]

are we uncapped now

[vivid vessel]

ye

up until 8 targets tho

[proven ocean]

ye

up until 8 targets tho

[wintry solar]

ye
up until 8 targets tho

[prisma vessel]

thats not "uncapped"

[wintry solar]

To the uninitiated sure

[terse prawn]

Anyone got their outlaw to 999vers on remix? How is it?

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[red zinc]

I dont think anyone would do that to themselves

Might be able to check it on raiderio through legion m+ score per spec though

[terse prawn]

Outlaw has the worst IO score of any spec. By a decent amount

In legion remix

Fun fact

[elder phoenix]

thats weird

I get invited a min in of queuing and thats just on 12s

on 14s i get insta invites

and i have lfg filtered to only 3k players

3k or higher

[grim spear]

the only place this entire tier I actually feel sort of useful is soul hunters

EVERY other raid bosses or keys makes playing outlaw feel like some kind of performance art

[elder phoenix]

im sure you're usefull too

the bosses now a days have a min req to kill the boss

unlike ages ago where you need a max req to kill a boss

So as long as you're doing your min requirement

You doing something

🙂

especially now where everyone can get to 728 ilvl easily

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

thoughts

0 death run

im actually as close to the tank as i am to murtaz

[gaunt phoenix]

just where blizzard intends outlaw to be

[vivid vessel]

im also bottom prio damage on every big mob

and bottom boss damage on every boss

[tawdry arch]

do we have an outlaw beta midnight talent build to try out?

[craggy quiver]

17m overall holy shiet

[toxic star]

@vivid vessel saw a bit of your beta vod working with unit spellcast succeeded, thats gonna be secret soon again 😅

[vivid vessel]

you mean own player spell cast?

[vapid sundial]

Where's my Minnesota outlaw

[vivid vessel]

no way

[vapid sundial]

It's begun

Again

[indigo token]

guys

really bad news

new guild i signed up with

it already has an outlaw rouge

UGHHHHHHHHHHHAFesagv

FUCK THIS GAME
\

I hope every member of my last guild gets banned im so fucking angry

leaving me out in the cold after MONTHS of being benched

with fucking NOTHING to show for it

[twilit crown]

What dung is this?

[vivid vessel]

arakara

[vapid sundial]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/896463391156236348/1252482270074241114/unknown-2-3.gif

Idk why but makes me think of this

[indigo token]

i know its a meme

but genuinely its like

what do I do

[gaunt phoenix]

different game

what are you getting out of this one

[vapid sundial]

It's why I'm playing fellowship

I despise outlaw atm

[dawn talon]

go play gunz

game owns

and has high apm

[long barn]

What dung is this? 22 Ara?

Nvm saw someone already asked

[keen belfry]

me

[long barn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

bro

i wonder if i still have my clips

is igunz still active?

[toxic star]

yes because of specifically what you're doing, implicit aura and cooldown tracking

[vivid vessel]

It's so inoffensive man

Let me track my stuffs I beg

You know the worse thing that almost ruin the game for me is that I use a sound on pistol shot proc sound on live

Which I have to do some mega fuckery on beta with spell cast and cp events to get something that half works

But like without that sound on ps procs idk if I can enjoy the game as much

It's legit half my fun hearing that shit xd

[toxic star]

it treats all CDR specs unfairly because you can't derive effective cd

and well cds are secret so there may not be a way to derive cds

[toxic star]

is that not possible via charge gained via cd viewer?

assuming the sound is there ofc (addons will be able to extend it, question is just when)

[vivid vessel]

Well idk the cool down viewer doesnt allow it rn

Idk if it's intended or not

[proven ocean]

Fuck zac

[vivid vessel]

Unfortunately for outlaw since we have a buff that gives more cdr and that buff is impossible to derive, I can't do any fuckery to fake the cdr either, otherwise I would have already (or at least once combo point we're fully unsecret)

[toxic star]

oh right its a buff, not a charge on a spell. guess time to file a bug for allow sound triggers for gaining a buff stack or something

[vivid vessel]

Ok but is that a bug or intended tho

I'm legit clueless about what they want or not allow at this point

Is a sound on a proc too op you know

[vivid vessel]

Also pistol shot can be tracked as a cool down if you want as well, and you can't add a sound there either

[toxic star]

cant find that out without filing a bug and hope ig

[toxic star]

🤔 you can add sounds to all cds?

[vivid vessel]

Ye can't you?

Idk honestly I don't remember

I think it worked fine for CDs

Just not for pistol shot

[toxic star]

ah not to abilities that have no cooldown

[vivid vessel]

Ye I guess

Tbf for the longest time I thought they wouldn't allow us to track pistol shot as an actual buff since it was in the cd manager instead xd

But it got added recently thank god

[radiant wyvern]

the sound notifications on the CD manager are mega delayed if there's lot of things happening as well, when I was playing beta sometimes the sounds wouldn't go off until like 3 seconds after they should have

[dawn talon]

the big western pservers are more active than theyve been since like 2014

5k+ people online almost every day

[quaint mauve]

old clip

[vivid vessel]

Xddd nice

[dawn talon]

do u ever think about how fucking incomprehensible this game is for people who don't play it

[vivid vessel]

Looks like Fortnite from temu

[quaint mauve]

yeah it funny

[indigo token]

what the FUCK

its like we're playing classic WoW

[quaint mauve]

idk why they thought we wanted classic 2.0

[indigo token]

i blame asmongold

[quaint mauve]

might aswell go hop on the tbc train

my entire m+ group

went to that

no more io for me

[indigo token]

id rather tank than do attunement

[blissful elk]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

mail boss street

thoughts

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel \

[quaint mauve]

@tough salmon when r u gonna stand up and tell him to stop griefing you

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smile-cat-smile-cute-kitty-gif-5058119688631425935

[tough salmon]

Its okay he's our augmentation rogue ...

brings that apho poison

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

stop it ..

[grim spear]

8 cap no prio no st
just ridiculous

no use anywhere

[vivid vessel]

am just chilling tbh

[urban nymph]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

help

[gaunt phoenix]

rookie n umbers

[quaint mauve]

getting to p3 everytime

why wont he die

[proven ocean]

@tough salmon i found you

This you?

@vivid vessel can u confirm

[vivid vessel]

I concur

its him

[proven ocean]

Is concur a french word

Concur 🥖 🇫🇷

Ye for sure

[vivid vessel]

Its english

[proven ocean]

Sounds french enough to me

[vivid vessel]

hah

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

moo

[dawn talon]

directly from latin

concurrere