outlaw

[quaint mauve]

bro we kill him after one like middle adds phase

and the adds die insta

it’s so aids

for parsing

[brave lagoon]

the trick is to raid in a 4/8m guild

[tall karma]

!OH

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[rare nova]

got a buddy who just started playing outlaw. who's a good content creator that teaches how to play?

[celest hearth]

what the heck is outlaw now

so many cp's and ks rework oh mah gah

[keen belfry]

anyone wanna join my gulld

and prog salasldabar

[quaint mauve]

is there an outlaw rogue spot open

[upper surge]

@glass mortar

@topaz comet

this is

the animal

im watching

[upper surge]

are they any good

send them my way

[glass mortar]

[upper surge]

this fdk

is saying

make outlaw great

i hate it

[glass mortar]

important message

idk if u noticed but outlaw is pretty garbage rn

😠

[wintry solar]

Rich can't give to the poor?

Damned if you do, damned if you dont.

[glass mortar]

🥹 our very real spec

on the endgame boss

[upper surge]

no one cares

buff dev

[keen belfry]

never

[glass mortar]

and the best part is not only do u do fuckall damage on the fight u also do some of the least damage on the most important parts of it

[upper surge]

dev is only okay because of PI

[wintry solar]

I'd hate to be warlock on that fight

[upper surge]

i make our warlocks do unfun stuff on dimmy

[long barn]

@gaunt phoenix - what’s it gonna take to get you to push those SIMC APLs 🫡

We need all the help we can get don’t abandon us now

[gaunt phoenix]

pinging me twice about it helps

[long barn]

Can’t blame me for trying

[wintry solar]

You should abandon us out of spite after that tbh

[long barn]

That’s helpful.

[tall karma]

outlaw feels so dogshit in M+

[gaunt phoenix]

it legit doesnt matter

[tall karma]

compared to sub

[wintry solar]

I'm teasing

[gaunt phoenix]

sleight is missing 0.4% dps in sim who cares

[glass mortar]

i vote no apl, outlaw with live tuning isnt worth optimizing that much

😠

[long barn]

I know. But I’m still trying to push

[glass mortar]

oh is it just that

its not like it wuld change anything right

[long barn]

And blizzard won’t tune so I’m trying to make the best of my shit

It’s the RtB rules that aren’t in there

Right?

I’ve been tinkering around with more crit vs vers. And I wanted to see if the vers talent vs the SoH mattered or anything

[glass mortar]

it shouldnt

artificial drs are from secondary rating

anything that gives flat % ignores them

[gaunt phoenix]

basically

sleight needed to have some esoteric rtb rules resolved

but it didnt really make sense and it's hard to test them all

[digital linden]

u felt the new rules dont make sense?

[long barn]

I was just offering to comp you for your time. You’ve been doing this for some time. Thought it would be a nice gesture.

[gaunt phoenix]

well it was established that sleight rolls over 2 buffs which is fine

but some other results were handed to me that didnt really make sense

stuff like rolling over 3 buffs if they have some duration remaining

i didnt really get into resolving it and now those sims are expired anyway

and now i've kinda lost interest after outlaw is getting completely upended in 3 months

i'd rather work on that

[digital linden]

ye its a shame i feel rtb is very fun this tier and very fun to play with some optimisations skenga had foundd

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah i know

oh well

[glass mortar]

new rtb seems like it has no real possible nuanced gameplay ngl

other then like "if u have loaded dice roll over a higher buff then u would without"

which is pretty basic in my eyes

[long barn]

But what about SoH

Loaded dice is no brainer I get it

[tall karma]

is there anywhere we can read outlaw rotation?

read the wowhead guide and its confusing af

the part on vanish and BTE just makes me so confused

[glass mortar]

what could SoH possible do

[glass mortar]

besides "roll on one higher"

if it even manages to do that

ur gunna have a RtB number u roll at

1/2/3

sleight could move it up one, or not change it

loaded could move it up one

i dont see any other potential gameplay ngl

[tall karma]

why do we want to cast RTB after we use KIR?
doesnt it overwrite and reduce the duration of our buffs...

[glass mortar]

and thats assuming they even do that

[gaunt phoenix]

because you can get buffs you dont already have

and you get supercharger

and if you do reduce buffs, you get to roll again when those reduced buffs expire

and get supercharger again

[gaunt phoenix]

The #outlaw-faq has most info

at the core you are using vanish to keep adrenaline rush active, and you vanish into bte to get the most out of the crackshot window

[tall karma]

im like holding on to my 5 buffs until it expires

i prob should read the FAQ last time i tried outlaw was ambush spec

trying to help guild prog on M soul hunter and went outlaw for it

i main sub, and im literally doing half the DPS of sub rogue in M+

got super frustrated

[gaunt phoenix]

if you aren't up to date with outlaw it is extremely confusing

partly why it is fucking nuked in 3 months

[tall karma]

yeah let me read more in detail, its skill issue i think

so outlaw isnt strong in M+ now right?

just mainly low target cleave?

[gaunt phoenix]

not particularly in competitive keys, but people make it work

[tall karma]

i see..

if i dont have Sigil of the Cosmic Hunt heroic, can i use a Netherprism over it

[gaunt phoenix]

thats fine

[tall karma]

i have antenna though

[glass mortar]

outlaw also has precious few players playing it that far into raid this season, only 400 parses even with how high it shows

so its value is gunna be a bit inflated by psychos like zac who use mouseover or focus bte tech to maximize the fight

[keen belfry]

sub kinda fun on saladbar

only annoying thing is your cds line up during soaky!

[tall karma]

this explains a lot why i cant ever out DPS BM hunters with blade flurry

[fathom whale]

Oi do we like mythic sacbroad or nah in keys. It sims more than my heroic sigil by like 1% in dg slice but I swear I’m doin less overall now

[tall karma]

outlaw is superior to sub on Soul Hunters right?

[tall karma]

yeah most are assas / sub i noticed

[glass mortar]

if ur good at it

its a chaotic fight

if ur not practiced gl picking up outlaw on it and getting results that look like its statistics on wcl

[tall karma]

shit. i might be in trouble

better start practicing

before i do like grey parse

[glass mortar]

bosses dashing around, u dodging shit, guys moving out of cleave range that u wanna continue to cast PS/bte into while BF cleaving/ssing the two in melee range

yea id def practice first

outlaw is BIG practice spec

not needing to think about little things helps alot on a new boss fight

[tall karma]

i got muscle memory for Sub, not so much for Outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

it's mostly because the standard aoe build with 1 point in fan the hammer is punishing if you whiff globals

[glass mortar]

that is the build that everyone plays on that fight i believe

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[glass mortar]

and yes it makes it noticably harder even

god i hate 1 fth so much

[tall karma]

yeah i just realized hammer only has 1 point

[glass mortar]

i swear this shit is gunna come back next expac

[tall karma]

wtf

[glass mortar]

[tall karma]

honest question: can outlaw rogue TOP dps in a full mythic raid group on Soul Hunters?

[gaunt phoenix]

yeah it's the necessarily evil to get both precise cuts and ghostly strike

[tall karma]

if the answer is YES, im practicing

if we get shredded by any random BM hunter / DK. i might just go back Sub

[glass mortar]

id say its our best fight of the tier but its also a very difficult fight in terms of keeping perfect uptime

and small mistakes as outlaw easily snowball

i doubt ur gunna be topping meters unless ur raid groups is not that great

or ur doing the focus/mouseover tech

[gaunt phoenix]

if you are a complete freakazoid like zac

[glass mortar]

which adds a considerably cognative load to the fight if ur not used to it

[gaunt phoenix]

he tops in his raid

[tall karma]

oh i dont do that lol

so those parses on warcraft logs, with outlaw as top rogue spec for Soul Hunters, am i being deceived?

the average joe wont be smashing meters on that fight

like those guys have like 99% uptime, didnt do mechanics. probably didnt help soak etc LOL

[kindred apex]

you can likely get nr1 in your raid but you cant beat destro locks on that fight overall

[glass mortar]

no ur just looking at some of the best outlaws in the world or just outlaw 1 tricks in general who have been playing 1 fth all season

and practiced the fight to boot

that fight has lots of ways to have random micro downtime if ur not planning ahead

which is always awful as outlaw

[tall karma]

right. the thing is as Sub, downtime is fine.

since its just about 1.5min CD windows anyway

[glass mortar]

as long as it doesnt happen during ur cds yea

[tall karma]

but outlaw needs to go full steam 24/7 and any downtime is just gonna hurt right?

[glass mortar]

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont think sub is that bad on soul hunters anyway

[glass mortar]

it isnt

[digital linden]

also atleast in my case u might have mandatory downtime for the sake of your guilds prog

with soak and fractures or what not

[glass mortar]

id say based on ur own practice with both specs ud probably do a bit better

also yea, u are progging the fight

[tall karma]

ya cause im progressing Soul Hunters,

[glass mortar]

which is a different beast from farm

[tall karma]

so i wanted to go outlaw if it helps

but like u guys said... might not be wise here

since i dont have the skill level like top WCLogs player have to achieve 10M DPS

[glass mortar]

u can always try it out for part of a night and see how it feels

[tall karma]

and im missing sigil of cosmic hunt which kinda sucks too

whereas for Sub i can buy BIS trinkets netherprism/araz

[glass mortar]

id def warm up in some m+ for a few days before it tho

yeaa i mean outlaws bis trinkets arent that far ahead of its meh trinkets

[tall karma]

ive been warming up the whole day in M+ and i swear my DPS is half of SUb

[glass mortar]

we arent like sub we dont generally have giga stuff

[tall karma]

this is a floodgate 12 lol.

[glass mortar]

mmmmmm maybe id play sub

[tall karma]

and my stats and gear are pretty good

[glass mortar]

or practice more at least

[tall karma]

so its skill issue

100% player issue

[digital linden]

yes

[glass mortar]

well outlaw is not that bad in dungeons no, its a player issue in u probably need practice cause current builds play quite differently from what u last played (sounds like u played HO)

[tall karma]

last i played was HO

i think i shall try

for 3 days

if after 3 days i suck at it

im respeccing back hahaha

i need to read up more 1st

im using vanish on CD

to spam BTE

and running out of combo points

like shitttt

[trim harbor]

there is still a ho build no?

[fathom whale]

Excuse the phone cam, on the misso’s PC. Momento (replacing 727 crafted, minor upgrade) or a dagger for off spec? Weird vault what would yall do

[trim harbor]

are u killing soulbinder on myth

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah some people push with ho

Or did

Idk who still plays

[digital linden]

the neck is cool

maybe dagger if needed

i like neck because it lets you find a way to use dimmy ring and still be very close to 19.05% haste

[fathom whale]

Isn’t neck from soul better

[fathom whale]

Ya

[digital linden]

ye but u cant use both if u have access to dimmy ring

and dimmy ring could be an interesting second ring

its cantrip is pretty good no?

[trim harbor]

well it drops a very very bis neck for outlaw if u can get that just go for the dagger and have fun with other specs as well

[fathom whale]

Technically a gem slot is the biggest upgrade I could get

Lmao

[trim harbor]

if the upgrade is that low just go for the dagger

[fathom whale]

Copy

[valid tartan]

droptimizer telling me scream is better than antenna

bait or what?

ST

idk what to buy with my dinar lol its warpclaw/screams or FG dagger according to my droptimizer

[gaunt phoenix]

scream likes long kill timers

would be prolly good on some prog

[fathom whale]

Mine tells me saccbroad is good but I don’t wanna play it 🫩

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[tall karma]

guys i appreciate all the help

im going back to Sub 🙁

i can't man

this is so painful

[fathom whale]

Embrace the pain

[tall karma]

i dunno how you guys do it, but salute to outlaw players

i'm out guys. take care

[fluid meadow]

u r above tank it's fine

[tall karma]

[worldly shale]

what dungeon is this

flood?

dawnm

?

[tall karma]

dawnbreaker

[worldly shale]

ye

saw the ship

hehehe

[tall karma]

it broke me

i did like 7 +12s today as outlaw

completely broken shell of a man now

[jolly geyser]

Sounds awful

[worldly shale]

holyu fuck

i went to check logs i got

for dps

i had the same damage in september

in a 13

[latent panther]

Just curious, is it worth while to spend dinar on cursed stone idol instea of sigil?

[hasty warren]

idole is better in aoe no ?

[trim harbor]

dont drop the spec just like that have u tried ho talents idk how hight do u push ur keys

[tall karma]

i was KIR and no i dont enjoy the playstyle

so im going back to enjoy Sub more

too many stuff to keep track of

hopefully midnight makes Outlaw more enjoyable :X

[trim harbor]

im on eu and its on maintinace ill send u a talent build later to try out when ur bored

[hasty warren]

"enjoyable"

[obtuse hollow]

ho build? is that still a thing or just a meme build

havent played that all season

[hasty warren]

it's playable but not that good

[obtuse hollow]

yea then i prolly wont do it

it hard enough to keep up the dps even with a seious build, cant afford doing a meme build

[hasty warren]

outlaw is already a meme build

[obtuse hollow]

[prisma wave]

How is Sub compared to Outlaw in keys right now?

[trim harbor]

depends which keys

[earnest sphinx]

Outlaw surely gets outperformed by the other 2 specs right

[fallen knot]

are wow servers just dead right now in EU?

[trim harbor]

ye for one more hour

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/pj0qhgO.jpeg

did i COOK?

[trim harbor]

nice cock

[elder phoenix]

unbuffed

UWU

[tall karma]

Tried outlaw today and halved my DPS compared to sub.

Was doing 2.5m single target lol 😂

[elder phoenix]

thats just maybe because you're not as good playing outlaw than sub

but the 2.5m st is valid

LOL

728 ilvl and once i upgrade my x2 crafted items from 720 t0 727 im prob gonna be 729 ilvl and i havent touched a mythic raid

gg

[hybrid crown]

I did 11 mil overall in a priory at 714 ilvl as outlaw

[vivid vessel]

Sub is better in every key

[wintry solar]

What about keys that a sub isn't in?

[long barn]

I’m terrible at sub. I have perfect gear and no skill. Makes me sad.

I can do the burst rotation. Just can’t seem to manage like the in-between

If blizzard would do their job even at a minimum we could get a buff and this would all go away.

[earnest sphinx]

Wym inbetween u are not doing much between your cds

https://tenor.com/view/knife-backstab-gif-gif-9184018

sub off cd gameplay

[elder phoenix]

lol not that hard.

just make weakauras to tell you when to use xy z

subs literally just cd management

[whole vigil]

is outlaw st supposed to be absolute ass in keys

tried to play outlaw and was doing decent on trash until i get to the bosses

was doing tank damage ngl

[vivid vessel]

yes

[glass mortar]

If u get decent procs and decent 5 buff uptime on a boss u can only lose to real specs by like 15-20%

If u get bad rng or drop Adr to stuff u might lose to the tank depending on what class is tanking

enjoy

We are in a fated season so no tuning needed

Apparently

[hybrid crown]

That's also assuming you are doing keys with people who play their class perfectly

In pug keys I usually do well enough keeping up on bosses with average key do'ers

[twilit crown]

yall use warpclaw or antenna in M+? which is better usually

[elder phoenix]

sim ya self with it

if you wanna feel bad about your dps as outlaw

do 12 + or higher floodgate

on the first trash pull

especially if you're in a group with a bm hunter

[twilit crown]

im in 19 flood rn and brewmasters outdmg me on first pull

[ocean lodge]

Pretty much confirmed at this point

We're getting wod demo'd

:c

[elder phoenix]

Why

i like where outlaw is rn

the only thing that they need to change is not have vanish as a CD

as a dps* cd

[glass mortar]

I dont think we are getting wod demod

I think we have 2 specs that are alright in raid and keys and one that is garbage and since most dev time is being focused on midnight we are being ignored

Always a chance that happens if the undertuned specs are on pure classes

[elder phoenix]

man im bored rn and im queuing as assassination

and no ones inviting me 🙁

But if i go outlaw bet ill get in a group in like 3 seconds

[glass mortar]

Sin is also pretty blah in keys I hear

Think sub is the best key spec rn?

[elder phoenix]

sub is yes

i just cant be ass in making weakauras for it

and i hate that downtime

shit that sub has

such a clunky ass rotation of a spec

and plus they baked in that venthyr ability for sub

so cringe

was sub during the whole of shadowlands

and that just gave me the ick so bad

[long barn]

Aren’t there any already that can do that? Can you recommend any? I can do the rotation, just never can manage like when to use the stuff outside the Flag/Blades window.

[elder phoenix]

the ones that are up are kinda cringe

idk why they add extra shit to it

[elder phoenix]

729 ilvl finally upgraded everything https://i.imgur.com/ZxAIwVY.jpeg did i cook though unbuffed

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt

this illness won’t slow me down

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/nev-nevolent-owl-gif-26700423

[proven ocean]

Moot is the opposite of whatever the community likes or dislikes

If something’s bad he likes it

If something good happens he pretends he doesnt know it

Nothing new from classic moot

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/kofBc4o.jpeg assassination is kinda low key a cheat code 🙁

12 dawn

all them were 3k

or higher

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

[frail veldt]

Dat nitro cold brew

[glass mortar]

starbucks nitro is actually pretty good its the only thing i get when i go there now a days

[proven ocean]

Wtf is

Starcucks nitro

[glass mortar]

nitro cold brew

[proven ocean]

Oh

Starbucks

Nvm wasnt wearing my glasses

[proven ocean]

What is it

[glass mortar]

its a brewing method

its brewed with nitrogen

[proven ocean]

?? New brewing method

Where

Oh

[glass mortar]

uh idk about new

theyve had this for years

it makes it taste different

its my favorite starbucks coffee which isnt saying alot with modern starbucks

but its fine

[proven ocean]

Ye cuz i’d be surprised if there was something new cuz there isnt anything new

[glass mortar]

i like nitro cold brews in general

[proven ocean]

Anything new is just basically weird now

[glass mortar]

yea like starbucks is pushing their new protein coffees hard

[proven ocean]

Cuz everything is discovered kinda

[glass mortar]

and like idk

i have never worked out and been like "you know what would really quench my thirst right now"

"a starbucks protein latte...."

[proven ocean]

Ngl weran

If anyone’s gonna make some good new coffee

Starbucks is the last on my list

[glass mortar]

mhm

[proven ocean]

Starbucks is literally dunkin donuts if they didnt sell donuts

Extremely budget

Lowest quality

Maybe i drink alot of speciality coffee so im more into the higher end stuff but like

Starbucks is omega microwaved

[glass mortar]

u forget about twice the price

at least dunkin is cheap

[proven ocean]

I guess

I mean

[frail veldt]

nitro cold brew is made by a lot of people

its just a way to add thickness/creaminess to a cold brew

[glass mortar]

if i get a drink and a snack at starbucks in nyc now a day im leaving with like a 18 dollar price tag

its crazy

[proven ocean]

I think the worst coffee i make at home is better than any coffee starbucks would make

[frail veldt]

its essentially how guiness is made too

[proven ocean]

Its just fastfood coffee in my eyes honestly

[frail veldt]

starbucks makes bad coffee for sure

they WAY over roast their beans

so burnt

[proven ocean]

They dont have a barista either

[frail veldt]

but cold brew usually is still fine ish

[proven ocean]

Its just normal workers

[frail veldt]

its hard to fuck up cold brew

[proven ocean]

They cant realistically get a proper barista anyways because that barista will go to a specialty coffee place lol

[frail veldt]

yeah theyd have to pay them way more but they try to operate so cheaply

[proven ocean]

Imagine being a barista and having starbucks only in ur cv

Thats just messed up

And honestly a shame

[frail veldt]

yeah they dont hvae a great reputation

but theyre everywhere

and their coffee has a lot of customizations which I guess people like

[proven ocean]

Ive had some rly basic cold brew

[jolly geyser]

zeross got 200k coffee machine

[quaint mauve]

it’s quick and cheap and at my gas station

[proven ocean]

Its easy to mess up any coffee

[frail veldt]

Yeah I just find it masked more easily in a cold brew

[proven ocean]

I spend alot but not that much

[elder phoenix]

people still drink coffee? when theres 5 hour energy drink shots?

[frail veldt]

colder beverages are harder to taste subtleties

[proven ocean]

Thats true

[jolly geyser]

ofc its cozy

[proven ocean]

Hot coffee is hard to master

[frail veldt]

for sure

[proven ocean]

Way harder

[frail veldt]

cold coffee with a good amount of cream or nitro infused will hide a lot of shittiness

[proven ocean]

Especially when ur equipment isnt clean or ur brewing is bad

U can easily taste all of that on a hot coffee

[proven ocean]

I dont like sweet coffee

It just kills my head

[frail veldt]

nitro isnt sweet

[proven ocean]

I hate how it tastes

[frail veldt]

just adds a creaminess

but some people think milk tastes too sweet

[proven ocean]

I hate everything about cream on coffee

[frail veldt]

so I could see you not liking it if you dont like that

[proven ocean]

Only thing i like is if its like a white mocha then i wouldnt mind it once in a blue moon

But thats about it

[jolly geyser]

There is a line also about being a pro and just being an asshole about hot brown water

[proven ocean]

Wdym

[jolly geyser]

you arent an asshole

but some people are just so specific

its a cup of caffeine and warm liquid

[proven ocean]

I never said sweet coffee should be banned or anything

I just dislike it

[frail veldt]

and a steak is just beef put in a hot pan

and a car is just exploding gas in a chamber

with a seat

[jolly geyser]

depends what cut you cooking

[frail veldt]

and a plane is just a car with wings

[proven ocean]

I tried a 200$ steak long ago

It was so pure no fat to the level where it felt like eating a burger patty

[jolly geyser]

sure high end coffee might taste better,but there is a ceiling

[proven ocean]

Wasnt pleasant

[frail veldt]

its all subjective

same with wine

[jolly geyser]

can say that about alot

[frail veldt]

yeah that was kinda my point haha

[proven ocean]

Coffee beans are the same as a steak

[jolly geyser]

Im just typing stuff between que

[proven ocean]

It can be rly bsf

Bad*

And it can be rly good

Or mid

Obviously someone who drinks alot of coffee everyday will tell the difference

[frail veldt]

and still some people eat well done tritip they bought at the grocery store that probably tastes like a leather boot

and they dont care

some people eat exclusively for fuel

and some people drink coffee exclusively for caffeine

[jolly geyser]

I can tell the acidic lvl quite good,the high ones are dogshit imo

[quaint mauve]

something something 5x more likely to make you kill yourself or something

coffee>

[proven ocean]

I had a rly bad iced latte yesterday but it wasnt badly made or bad, the beans were for hot iced latte and i could easily tell it doesnt work well on an iced latte

But the beans are 10/10

Just tastes muddy on an iced latte

[glass mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2XbBFBSA-0

@proven ocean

[jolly geyser]

never licked cold coffee either,tastes weird

[proven ocean]

Its kinda nice to be able to tell between a bean being for hot or cold latte

[glass mortar]

culd u guys beat this speedrun

[proven ocean]

Oh lol saw it yesterday

[proven ocean]

I like cold more than hot usually

[jolly geyser]

with just movement or voice?

[proven ocean]

Anyways i go bed gn

[glass mortar]

movement only wtf

do not shout the cat

[lime lake]

do not the cat

[glass mortar]

yea i prefer iced coffee too

[jolly geyser]

gn zeross in 2h

[glass mortar]

but i just like cold drinks more

i need to be in a certain mood for hot drinks

[jolly geyser]

I just did the ring voice and he jumped off

not loud either

[bleak pelican]

is there some kind of coin counter addon that just simply shows a number to pop up for the number of in a rows youve gotten?

[deep sequoia]

anyone have the macro for the lucky coin?

[gaunt phoenix]

/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```

[desert tendon]

zeross

@proven ocean wassup chief

[glass mortar]

hi censi

what r u up 2

[desert tendon]

chilling

and speedrunning delta still

[glass mortar]

im only like 230

[desert tendon]

holding and improving my WR

[glass mortar]

i havent had much time to play it

got my first weapon with a use and legendary yesterday tho so that was pog

[desert tendon]

Nice

i m just chilling with some friends, we re not taking it seriously at all but it's fun

i think someone in love with equinox

[tall karma]

Had to read this 3 times to make sure I was seeing right. 😭

[tall karma]

Oh yes ! I feel this.

[glass mortar]

yea i mean the st is terrible brother

probably the worst dungeon ST outlaw has done in 3 expacs

if not more

[tall karma]

Okay thank goodness

I saw soul Hunters warcraft logs parse

And thought outlaw was godly in M+ too

Was doing slightly above tank on ST

did 1/5th a BM hunters damage on Floodgate 12 first pull lol

[glass mortar]

outlaws aoe is closer tuned to decent then its st

but its still not great yea

plus ur dealing with target cap + lust on big pulls vs other specs so

it makes u look quite bad on those pulls

[desert tendon]

Yea but

the Beingcoolplayingoutlaw is well tuned

and that matters

[dawn tundra]

Haven't been here in a while, but should I get Band Of The Shattered Soul or Vengful Netherspike?

They're all I really need and I don't know which to get first.

Or is it just a personal preference thing at that rate? Trying to figure out if I want the better ring or my BiS off-hand.

[glass mortar]

personal preference or sim which one is the bigger upgrade and pick that first

[dawn tundra]

How do I sim?

[glass mortar]

raidbots top gear, type the names of the items in to add them

[dawn tundra]

Wait. I just realized that one of my rings is still Champion and that the replacement is Hero, which would be a direct upgrade regardless.

[glass mortar]

ther u go

[hollow portal]

The gameplay of the rogue in Fellowships is beautiful.

It's a shame that I feel like committing suicide when I play Outlaw in WoW.

[desert tendon]

well

shuriken combo is back, aoe is uncap, you almost have the same buff tracking management as outlaw

mara's good, but it's slow apm

[vague cape]

Faster than sub

Widows bite saves the apm

[desert tendon]

it doesnt

you forget about ogcd

and sub has a lot more than mara

[elder phoenix]

bruh

why cant blizzard have resil 12 or higher be warbanded

so we can buy shit off the token vendors

so fucking annoying

[fathom whale]

That’d be too easy

[elder phoenix]

its an alt for a reason

tf you mean it be too easy

why would i do it again what kinda brain dead logic is that

[meager forum]

why does wowhead outlaw guide recommend trickster for legion remix but then fatebound besides m+ (which is trickster) for outside of legion remix

[elder phoenix]

people actually min maxxing legion remix? lol

[meager forum]

well rogue is weak af comparatively in legion remix

so I'm trying to do my best 👉 👈

[glass mortar]

u dont have tier set on legion remix

tier set is why fatebound is so far ahead st on retail

[meager forum]

ah ok

I haven't played since s1, but I do recall hearing something that s3 tier sets interact with hero talents

makes sense

[elder phoenix]

just play whats fun lol

its a remix

[meager forum]

lol

[dawn talon]

minmaxing is fun

[elder phoenix]

min/maxxing remix is funny. what are you min/maxxing for lol

in like a week or 2

theyd give you an item or make ite asier to get op items

like last time

[twilit crown]

whats sc

[dawn talon]

fun

[hybrid crown]

supercharger?

[keen belfry]

You must remember this is moot

He is most cooked in this discord

[fathom whale]

I’m just sayin, blizz doesn’t think like us. I’m not disagreeing

[grim spear]

holy shit our servers have been down for more than 10 hours

[tall karma]

What is the average outlaw single target DPS in M+ ?

[frail veldt]

That'd entirely depend on what level player

Can probably sim yourself in your m+ spec if you're trying to find out what you should be doing

Prob subtract like 10% from that for a reasonable goal

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[formal idol]

Are there any known issues with the artifact scenario in Remix? It's been an age since I've done it, but something in the very first stage keeps knocking me out of stealth and launching me away, and I cannot rightly figure out what it is. (It's not the patrolling dog with the big obvious stealth detection radius.)

Eh, whatever I guess. Was able to just brute force it, but weird.

[hybrid crown]

I got unstealthed by something too and just booked it to the boss lol

[formal idol]

yeah I ended up doing that after a couple of tries, haha.

[naive phoenix]

guys, ive just started an outlaw, first time playing rogue in years, and pretty fun so far. But i've been told by a friend i can run a MH weapon like sword/mace/fist wep and a dagger OH, is this true!? cause that might just cement outlaw as my new favourite spec.
The mogs i could make with that i'd love it

[vivid vessel]

Yes

[naive phoenix]

goddamn thats awesome, thankyou

[long barn]

@vivid vessel what’s the different color RtB icons on your weak aura mean

Blue vs Red vs yellow

[long barn]

Ah tyyyy

[bright plover]

is this macro? i need it

[glass mortar]

/cancelaura SnD /cast SnD

two lines

oh throw a #showtooltip up top we arent savages in here

3 lines

[desert tendon]

my beloved snd

only real outlaw cast snd still

[glass mortar]

everytime people ask for the button to be removed i get madge

they literally removed 99.99% of ur need to even have it on ur bars is that not enough

[fresh acorn]

What’s the case to use that macro?

[glass mortar]

zac abusing the supercharger bug

[fresh acorn]

Oh does it give CDR on roll but not take the charges away?

[glass mortar]

SnD cant take charges away because charges are only supposed to work on damaging finishers but yes

its the same as old ER bug (but weaker) basically

u do eventually run out of CP

[fresh acorn]

So this would give you CDR pre pull in raid and inbetween pulls in dungeons?

[glass mortar]

could yea

but u need to set it up so it rarely works out that way unless u force it and if u force it ur probably losing more damage then the tiny amount u could gain

[fresh acorn]

Yeah I do my weeklies in outlaw to feel something so I’m just asking out of curiosity

[desert tendon]

Weran

we dont talk about the snd bug

[glass mortar]

i mean its 90% gone next expac

like u can still do it in the pre key area i guess but gl lining up ur supercharge and consuming 1 charge right at the end of a pack when the only source is adr

[random stirrup]

adr that loses duration in stealth

just dont cast more than 2 finishers in ar bro

[nova blaze]

yo whats the best dungeon trinket to get on mythic ?

[kind frost]

Can we use cloak of shadows on the hunt on mythic?

[vivid vessel]

yes

you solo it

[frail veldt]

Wdym

I thought supercharger was gone

[glass mortar]

no

it just only procs off AR

[frail veldt]

Aaaaaah

Rip

[glass mortar]

2 supercharged per AR

[frail veldt]

Dogshit

[glass mortar]

yea pretty dogshit, thankfully it wont really matter how bad it is

its competition (2 vanish charges) no longer gives dps so

[twilit crown]

yall got a macro for raid marker target focus mouseover?

[quaint mauve]

should always immune it when targeted , never immune if you’re just soaking

bonus points if you grapple over so there’s no soak line

[hollow creek]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

?

[glass mortar]

good try bud

u can do better in the next one

🥰

[vivid vessel]

will do

[glass mortar]

remember ur providing a valuable boost to the group by being in there

[proven ocean]

why are u linking a raid log no one cares that ww is probably undergeared..

oh its a tank wtf

buff outlaw

[vivid vessel]

[hasty warren]

u're above the tank at least

[hollow temple]

do we sim nightly, weekly or latest?

[glass mortar]

nightly or latest

never weekly

[proven ocean]

ngl at this point even yearly wont matter'

[glass mortar]

yea right now it wont change anything

its just good practice so u dont forget to change it off weekly in the future

[proven ocean]

4

[gaunt phoenix]

3

[glass mortar]

2

[hollow temple]

my sim says for soul hunters mythic (patchwerk 3 bosses 5min) that I am supposed to do 9.4m dps, but in reality I reach only aroudn 7m dps, am i just that bad xD?

[glass mortar]

the fight isnt patchwerk so

that fight can be a bit rough on uptime for sure takes some practice to do well at

[hollow temple]

yeah e.g. i dont get how on wclogs the top outlaws do 11-12m dps like what is the scenario there?

[glass mortar]

the top outlaws do sweaty things like focus target macro bte/PS so they can continue to hit the targets that dash out/run away while cleaving with BF

they are extremely good, and on farm where they can probably ignore mechanics more then the average guild, and doing hypersweaty stuff like i just mentioned

[hollow temple]

damn man..

is there anywhere that macro written?

[glass mortar]

its just a macro that shoots bte and PS at ur focus target or mouseover

the idea is when the boss charges out or runs away, you can sit on the other two with BF up and continue to shoot that spread boss with BtE/PS (ranged) and have it cleave the two targets near you

but you still need to be able to SS the targets near u while doing that

for when u dont have BtE/PS procs

it would be like /cast [@focus] abilityname

nothing fancy

also having shorter kill timers to skip more of the intermissions will increase the dps noticably since during intermission you are effectively a single target dps

[hollow temple]

can i manually sit on the other 2 bosses while 1 charges out meanwhile until we connect again?

[glass mortar]

yes

thats the idea

[hollow temple]

i see

[glass mortar]

BF aoe radiates from u but BtE and PS have 30 yard ranges

[hollow temple]

thank you i will try that now in our tries

[glass mortar]

so u can shoot stuff far away and cleave stuff around u at the same time

[hollow temple]

ah so 1 charges out and i BTE/PS it while running together with the other 2 ?

[glass mortar]

mhm

[hollow temple]

gotu

[glass mortar]

but thats probably not going to be the major difference between 7m dps and 11m dps

thats like, turning a purple parse into an orange or an orange into a gold

just practice and better kill timers and dealing with mechanics better for less micro downtime

[hybrid crown]

Many do it with mouseover

I just tab target and it works okay. Probably less than ideal

[glass mortar]

yup focus or mouseover or whatever is most comfortable for u

[desert tendon]

ur a gold

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-cat-gif-19926065

[glass mortar]

only if ur a diamond babe

[elder phoenix]

3.2k io boys

LETS GO

i think im done with climbing the mmr rank

i think once you done resil 14 everything else just feels the same after 14+

[vivid vessel]

fr fr

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/CCMOQYN.jpeg 12 ara assassination rogues arent that bad :x tbhj

[fluid vortex]

wheres the 10m overall

[elder phoenix]

i dont have the trinkets and im geared as outlaw lol

[fluid vortex]

also why are you censoring

[elder phoenix]

so my stats arent

ideal

https://i.imgur.com/qQABebs.jpeg

now im debating to fully go assassination tbh cuz this aint bad at all

[fluid vortex]

🛌

[twilit crown]

yall got a macro for raid marker target focus mouseover?

[elder phoenix]

google will have your answer friend

[twilit crown]

fine fine

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

my team asking me to ditch my embels

to play binding of biding for them

like augs in s1 ..

cause i do no damage and our embels are shit anywya ..

im so sad solo ..

im no better than an aug player ..

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

support player..

[vivid vessel]

solo

is elemntal focus lens oversimming

or what

[gaunt phoenix]

sounds unlikely

[vivid vessel]

how come it does 0.5% in my keys

and i have 2

wait this aint slice one sec

nvm idk it seems fine

its just shit ass dog

idk how i even lose dps changing embels

when it alreayd does no dps

thats kinda crazy

[next thunder]

Is there any good outlaw m+ / ST rotation video breakdown out there for dum dums who hate reading?

[glass mortar]

zac being made into a simp spec

"if we're gunna carry ur dog spec at least buff us"

what a season

[long barn]

@gaunt phoenix - is it worth SoH if you don’t roll exactly on 2 buffs to fish like your pins says?

Or probs better to use run the vers build

[long barn]

Are you serious. Dude we are so lost

[long barn]

This tracks all my logs show .5-.6%

[quaint mauve]

best thing is the faq here

i don’t think we have much video guides

let alone good ones

[gaunt phoenix]

i would, tho it's so close it doesn't matter a whole lot

2 buffs is just an optimization

SoH is just vibes because it actually feels like something

But in the end both talents dont do a whole lot

"is sleight worth it" i dont think is a cut and dry answer

hence there's a whole spiel on it instead of 'just use it'

though that was the perspective of 2 months ago, most logs use it by now

it's still not unlocking infinite dmg

[coarse parcel]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[elder phoenix]

you know

Ive been fuckin around with assassination lately

and ive never been top dps in any 12's when im outlaw

this is new to me

outlaw is cooked and assassination rogues are getting bad pr in m+ cuz they're beasts

[proven ocean]

cuz ur bad on outlaw

time to imrpove

[elder phoenix]

i mean bad or not but seeing assassination doing close to 20 mil burst aoe or so with outlaw gear with outlaw trinkets

is kinda a diff feeling fam

with assassination i actually can compete in dawn 12 early pulls LOL

[proven ocean]

ur just better at assa than on outlaw

assa isn't strong

2 button rotation

[elder phoenix]

idk man first time im seeing numbers close to 20 mil

as a rogue

[desert tendon]

ZEROSS

[elder phoenix]

and thats with shit gear

[desert tendon]

you a 2 button rotation

[elder phoenix]

ur just better at outlaw than assa. 🤷‍♂️

[proven ocean]

i did 60m week 1

dont miss gcd's

[proven ocean]

no u

[proven ocean]

50-60 dont remember

but i needed prism to do alot more

[elder phoenix]

i feel like if i went full assa i could do more. Im just an outlaw cosplaying as assassination which is wild cuz these numbers are nice

[desert tendon]

Should try to cosplay as mage

you ll do numbers every weeks of every seasons

frfr

[elder phoenix]

mages are fun

[desert tendon]

imo they re not anymore

[elder phoenix]

especially if you slow fall people in pug heroic raids

or in lfr

[proven ocean]

i mean

[desert tendon]

One of the easiest class in the game

[elder phoenix]

and watch them just go off the map

[proven ocean]

if u want to see numbers like 20m

[desert tendon]

even worse in midnight

[proven ocean]

u chose the wrong class

[desert tendon]

can you believe they delete scorchN

[proven ocean]

play hunter or someshit

[desert tendon]

?

[proven ocean]

they do alot of dps 24/7

[potent ore]

i got the unyielding netherprism trinket, but since im playing with standard ui, i cant track it

[tired marlin]

how on earth are people having such high AR uptime? I can not get above 80-85%

[gaunt phoenix]

hard to say exactly, a combination of doing every little thing

[craggy barn]

many many things

👀

[gaunt phoenix]

Why is this happening

[elder phoenix]

so

i decided to do some m+ on my hunter thats 689 ilvl

https://i.imgur.com/Ic0raJ9.jpeg

so broken

[vivid vessel]

#outlaw

[serene brook]

#outlaw

[quaint mauve]

send a log

or record your gameplay with a gcd tracker

there isn’t a cut and dry answer on outlaw

outlaw is complicated

[desert tendon]

hunter

[proven ocean]

#outlaw

[leaden folio]

#outlaw

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel oh dailo plays outlaw

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-capybaras-animal-beautiful-demon-gif-25592763

[worldly shale]

whats the

league equivalent

of outlaw

[vivid vessel]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-capybara-eating-eating-lettuce-veeunus-gif-24649710

[worldly shale]

[leaden folio]

hello zerocool

im playing sub on dimensius mythic, down soon tm

will be back on outlaw when we dont suck (never)

[vivid vessel]

i have pugged a few keys today

like 20s and shit

its the first season

ever

i cant even out damage pugs

this spec is litteraly useless

[quaint mauve]

the only champ i can think of is like

master yi

cdr and fast

ig

[twilit crown]

[pure folio]

id say samira is alike

[quaint mauve]

yeah her R is basically KS i guess

[indigo token]

has the subterfuge bug been fixed yet

with dimensius

[glass mortar]

no

that aint ever getting fixed fam

[peak isle]

is dungeon slice reliable

saying cursed stone idol is a TWO POINT TWO percent upgrade

thats a large one

[glass mortar]

its quite good in aoe

not so good in st

generally does good overall in dungeons tho

dslice is reliable yea

[dawn talon]

i dont think there is one but i know a bunch of outlaw players who are riven onetricke

[random stirrup]

Riven goated

[green idol]

did anything from war within season 1 change up to now for outlaw rotation? havent played since then (and outlaw was just my backup class for heroic runs so im not super familiar on it to start with). Feeling overwhelmed trying to re set up my ui again haha

[chilly atlas]

uhh not really

[green idol]

ayy music to my ears haha

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[jolly geyser]

[elder phoenix]

bruh

im gearing my bm hunter

im doing the same over all dps i did on my rogue at 715 ilvl while my hunter is 689 ilvl

like what

[woeful otter]

anyone know19.15% haste enough for outlaw?

[vale warren]

Yeah

19.05% is when your gcd stops getting shorter

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/blCjNoZ.jpeg THIS IS the perfect spot for haste

[jolly geyser]

the haste man

[honest sparrow]

Still dont get why he posts the same story about being able to do more dmg on assa/hunter for days now.

[jolly geyser]

flabbergasted everyday ig

[honest sparrow]

Tbf it is flabbergasting that outlaw didnt at least catch some stray aura buffs but this expension is pretty much over his balancing cycle

[jolly geyser]

it is what it is

[elder phoenix]

this expansion has been over since day 1

it feels like its being held by 2 interns and the rests just focusing on midnight

dawnbreaker has been buggy since day 1

for example

i never posted any bug complaints in my life and ive played since wrath until this expansion

[vivid vessel]

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/CuriousZanyEyeballPrimeMe-zMaxP3GAW8gmhOWk

thoughts

at least outlaw is gonna be playing br in midnight for the big uncapped damage

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/frankly-thats-a-skill-issue-hazzikostas-ion-ion-hazzikostas-skill-issue-gif-21595688

at least with PC gone they have to tune aoe a bit higher since low target cleave will be mid

[elder phoenix]

its kinda funny how a rogue a pure dps class is being out dps'd by a druid pretending to be a rogue

[vivid vessel]

still are target capped so

what can you do

only spec in the game target capped

but thats fine

all is good

only spec target capped in the game and they allow it to be also the lowest tuned spec in the game

very funny

[mighty pivot]

hey we actually get a useable softcapped ability

I'm sure that will be enough

maybe takem's replacement will be something aoe (but that would make too much sense for the rogue devs)

[vivid vessel]

xdd

[proven ocean]

target cap is getting a buff by pc going away

maybe bladerush double dips with bladeflurry

[vivid vessel]

what

[proven ocean]

dont what me mysterious man

[vivid vessel]

miss you cuh

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/capybara-nose-poke-capy-coconut-gif-1974646734566907144

same cuh

[fading hatch]

getting gapped by 2bil on one pull is crazy work. buff outlaw

[vapid sundial]

tank btw

[elder phoenix]

i hate the bladerush game play

but oh well

[proven ocean]

i dont mind it

i just dont want sinister strike spam simulator

[elder phoenix]

but who ever said play a hutner 2 days ago. kudos to you bm hunters OP af LOL

[proven ocean]

pretender master moot

[elder phoenix]

What

i am enjoying mogging on people as a 689 ilvl bm doing almost 6 mil over all in dungeons lol

[proven ocean]

we literally had the conversation when i told u not to play outlaw and try bm

how forget

[elder phoenix]

tbh i cant be ass to do resil 12 on a hunter

but i do want the weapon off streets

Sigh

[jolly geyser]

crazy

[elder phoenix]

best thing is theres no restrictions on a hunter. its not capped on aoe. it can cast and move lol brain dead class thats op so on brand by blizzard

[proven ocean]

thats why we dont have many rogue mains

as we used to back in the days

hardest class for absolutely no reason

dogshit at everything

[elder phoenix]

the rotation is so brain dead too

lol

[shell fossil]

outlaw needing a offhand with a cantrip to function in keys is all that's wrong this season

we're stuck doing tank dps in overalls cause of tuning

[vivid vessel]

maybe thats why i do 0 damage on that pack

i might need that weapon

[jolly geyser]

dw zac,midnight is a new chapter

[proven ocean]

when u guys playing osrs

my friends are waiting for u

[jolly geyser]

when it doesnt look shit and it isnt boring

[proven ocean]

it isnt boring, only early game is boring imo

they're adding a new graphic thing like

it'll change the entire game's look

to be hd

and great

and uhh

everyone's playing it

[jolly geyser]

Im glad you enjoy it though,no sarcasm no cap whatever the fuck

[proven ocean]

me, jpc, notrickz and few others

[jolly geyser]

I played tibia so

[elder phoenix]

this is so depressing lol

playing an op class compared to playing rogue

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel u there

i found new tech

[vivid vessel]

uin bit

[proven ocean]

try typing "a seal pushed me yesterday" in google translate hear what she says in french

[proven ocean]

chat u think he missed any gcd's typing that?

[vivid vessel]

im french tho

thjat doesnt work

[proven ocean]

ye thats the point tho

do u know what it says

oh btw

[vivid vessel]

is this good

[proven ocean]

idk

didnt watch yet

2 episodes out i think

so i'll wait it out anyway

[vivid vessel]

bro

it came out yesterday

wtf

its not even

on

you know where

[proven ocean]

oh zac

it might be overhyped idk

2nd episode is 8.7

kinda low or

idk

[vivid vessel]

you are overhyped zeross

[proven ocean]

ty