outlaw

[quaint mauve]

i do that too after a bad day

farm compliments

to soothe my fragile ego

[worldly shale]

Omg rogue pumping

-701ilvl bm hunter that barely got beat by a 718 outlaw

[quaint mauve]

yup

i do more damage on some pulls

on my

704 brewmaster

than my ol

[copper radish]

Still beat em tho. Fk those BMs

[worldly shale]

Idk guys im lazy to do weeklies

Gonna play the shit out of legion remix

[violet ferry]

My 709 outlaw gets invited to higher keys than my 714 beast mastery hunter, but does significantly less damage. It’s weird

[copper radish]

Opening vault tomorrow and then playing remix till it ends lol

Sin rogue and DH gonna be wilding on remix

[worldly shale]

Sub should be also very good

[copper radish]

Wonder what the highest movement speed on DH will be. 300%? Lol

[still matrix]

We gonna crank in legion remix kek

[hasty warren]

[still matrix]

my experience is the opposite

[neat mist]

Yeh, I kinda stopped doing keys on rogue 'cause I get invited WAY quicker on my hunter

And I was queueing as le omega ultra meta Sub

[zealous lantern]

isnt this actually good for aoe?

does it ignore the cooldown of fazed?

or wait nvm

it just applies it

[violet ferry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[zealous lantern]

the debuff im tupid

[ornate chasm]

!wep

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[daring oxide]

if we get no buffs tonight

!mute me until midnight beta

[magic shuttle]

That's a surefire mute right there

[copper radish]

See u at midnight king 🫡

The xpack not tonight midnight 😂

[daring oxide]

😭

buffs BETTER come out tonight

fml

im gonna be read only mode for so long

[magic shuttle]

Is the .5 patch coming this Tuesday?

[copper radish]

I think so? Remix tomorrow

[magic shuttle]

Then maybe a small chance of some balancing

[copper radish]

Then turbo boost coins at the end of the month

The gear ilvls increase tomorrow but they wait like 3 weeks to give us dinars lol

[worldly shale]

its gonna be one midnight for sure

[craggy quiver]

Bro Vai you can't tank one for the team

We need you

[worldly shale]

is closing discord still on the table?

[violet ferry]

probably should

[inland cairn]

[copper radish]

Season 2 of midnight maybe season 3

[worldly shale]

imagine we dont get buff tonight

and we wait for midnight

and in midnight

[copper radish]

We literally aren’t

[worldly shale]

we still suck

[copper radish]

I’m not holding out for buffs

[ocean lodge]

I wonder if we'll have the artifact passives

Like the speed for outlaw

Don't those still work? Now I'm curious

[copper radish]

I think they changed everything about the weps

[ocean lodge]

I think the passive still work?

[copper radish]

That would be cool

[ocean lodge]

I'm gonna test it when I hop on

[copper radish]

Need guys remix article lol

[ocean lodge]

I miss the blood effect

Guy's just gonna drop a diss track on us at this rate

[copper radish]

“Here yall go I’ll be on me ret” 😭

[worldly shale]

oh shii i forgot i have 11.2.5 ptr

lets go

gonna go see

[ocean lodge]

Oh sick

Report back

Wait is remix testing up still

I was just thinking hopping on live to see of the passive is even there still

[worldly shale]

Should be, right?

Ima check, downloading

[sterile plank]

RTB is your average gambler theme

dumb and not necessary for Rogue

[copper radish]

Hope that’s the case. Outlaw will have 400% movement speed like DHs 😂

[hasty warren]

gambling feels more pirate than cowboy

[worldly shale]

I mean

Cowboys did like to gamble too

[hasty warren]

hmm

might be true

[sterile plank]

Yea

Its dumb thing anyway

[hasty warren]

not really fan of cowboys so don't know what they do

[sterile plank]

I would rather use SnD to eternity than fucking RTB

its personal preference

[hasty warren]

I really like rolling dices

[sterile plank]

I can see that

haha

[worldly shale]

Poker would be more fitting

Like we get cards

[ocean lodge]

Passive isn't there anymore

sadge

[hasty warren]

poket sound less random but strategy or bluff

[copper radish]

Looks like DH is the go to run thru stuff at 400% speed lol

[ocean lodge]

I hate havoc though

Like I fully understand they'll be fucking stupid for just speedrunning but I genuinely dislike the spec.

wondering how fast fatebound outlaw will go

[copper radish]

Ima go vengeance till max level for fast Que

Then level the rest of the classes I want after that lol

I’m hoping there’s one of those speed levels where u don’t loot stuff and just wait till like level 55 to open the mail for instant max level

[ocean lodge]

If i do dh it'll be an alt.

I'm gonna force myself to play rogue unless it's just obvious I should be a tank or I'm gonna be annoyed lol

Also

Depending on how the order halls work, rogue can be pretty op early on for soloing harder difficulty world content, if its worth it

Since we had ravenholdt basically able to instantly zero a rare's health

[worldly shale]

yea no remix on ptr

xd

guess we see tomorrow

[ocean lodge]

Did all the legion guides get banished lol

I wanted to brush up on the companions to see if I remembered everything

assuming we even get companions

[granite merlin]

So just reading the midnight changes so severely reduced KS dmg? Doesn’t that mean ks will suck?

[gaunt phoenix]

it is a bit weaker ye

not sure why it needed a 60% nerf

[vivid vessel]

they are looking out for us

its so we can cancel it at max cp

goated change im ngl

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe bc of cold blood

[vivid vessel]

hm

why

[blazing creek]

is supercharger no longer the move?

[gaunt phoenix]

possibly saving ks to cb to guarantee crits is good

well

[violet ferry]

Blizz looking out for Outlaw by making sure we aren't too powerful early on
That way we don't get disappointed by getting nerfed mid-season
We will just always be bad

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster would not save ks so nvm

[gaunt phoenix]

dont know but i suspect lethality+cb is better

We suspect crit itself is giga

[blazing creek]

yeah

ty

I've been noodling with the talent tree and it seems really hard to justify HO builds with how spread everything is now

[gaunt phoenix]

in aoe i dont think you can take HO

In st maybe

But SS itself is really strong, not sure HO will beat it

[blazing creek]

yeah, the vibe of HO just always felt better to me - KIR kind of mandatory isnt it

[ocean lodge]

honestly? probably.

new cold blood is awesome

[copper radish]

2 superchargers in under a minute with adrenaline versus probably around 10 with bones under a minute… yeah lol

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR itself might not be worth it

it's just KIR without KIR

lol

[ocean lodge]

what's sub's supercharger ability

because right now I only really see sin taking it once it properly gives 4

[lime lake]

dance

[ocean lodge]

Sub might take it then

but cold blood seems really good overall idk

[lusty night]

@vivid vessel help

i asked this guy to invite someone in french

and he said "lequel"

and i replied "n'importe lequel"

is that correct

[copper radish]

Need a new name for the build we can’t call it KIR anymore lol

[cold tide]

Man this one goes all the way back to the very first season of outlaw where we got absolutely nuked heading into EN after committing AP and leggos

[tranquil totem]

Question: After KS do u fish with ur SS till u have coupe or do u go instant vanish ?

[muted crest]

you get flawless form stack if u do ss and coupe so you want to do that first i guess than crackshot

[torpid heath]

yes

[tranquil totem]

yeah but the time from KS unseenblade for all targets is going down

So i KS, SS, Coupe, Coupe and go crackshot window with full CP. That is what i do at the moment

[vivid vessel]

ye thats correct dw about ti

[muted crest]

i feel like KS coupe,coupe SS SS than crackshot

but depends on ur stacks

[lusty night]

google translate didnt fail me

[still matrix]

Omg tuning

Wait

[viral flume]

Random, does anyone know: if someone dies in a taz deathless run can i do the run again in the same week?

I still see the buff on me even though i did a run and someone died

[muted crest]

"In Midnight, we intend for Outlaw to be a very approachable rogue spec while still embodying its fantasy of a tricky, resourceful, sometimes underhanded fighter that is willing to roll the dice and take a chance"

[lusty night]

where

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

did u try typing it

or

@lusty night u can type it too

cuz it looks like u too no cappy

[lusty night]

what

[proven ocean]

type this in /say

|cffffffffTinterface/ICONS/inv_babypig:275:275:0:-1|cfffffffft

[gaunt phoenix]

|cffffffffTinterface/ICONS/inv_babypig:275:275:0:-1|cfffffffft

[vivid vessel]

|cffffffffTinterface/ICONS/inv_babypig:275:275:0:-1|cfffffffft

@proven ocean thats you

[proven ocean]

no

you

u like it or

[vivid vessel]

no!

[proven ocean]

yes!

[keen belfry]

Wrong chat sorry

[dim urchin]

Hey all, with remix coming out is there going to be any change to how we play rotation wise / spec build in it vs retail?

[gaunt phoenix]

No idea

if there is remix TC it wont be from me

[lime lake]

[torpid fiber]

ass wordle today ngl

[agile orchid]

https://www.wowhead.com/blue-tracker/topic/us/class-tuning-incoming-october-7-2178996#27899624

spoiler: we got nothing

[gaunt phoenix]

coins

[craggy barn]

holy they fixed heads

[vivid vessel]

wait

thats live ?

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[vivid vessel]

we didnt get tuning

on live

[violet ferry]

coming tomorrow

[vivid vessel]

nah

proilly more coming

this is prolly a mistake

[craggy barn]

guys

wana bet if the heads fix stays in midnight

[gaunt phoenix]

it will

[torpid fiber]

Oh shit they fixed it

[vivid vessel]

they have history tho solo

[granite merlin]

Agreed

[torpid fiber]

Wordle 1,571 5/6

⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬛⬛⬛⬛⬛
⬛🟨⬛🟨⬛
⬛🟨🟨⬛🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[granite merlin]

lol mine looks 50x worse. Someone needs to make a outlaw only version of dbm or big wigs that just gives you a big timer until intermissions

[keen belfry]

This is the tuning they give us?

[torpid fiber]

It's like 3.5% ST in raid in a tuning patch with basically only nerfs otherwise

[vivid vessel]

can they

aura buff

the spec

are they stupid

im doing tank damage in keys

[agile orchid]

no

[torpid fiber]

Yeah like we needed more

[vivid vessel]

fuck do i care about some coins

[agile orchid]

outlaw would be too op for soul hunters, we can't have that

[torpid fiber]

But no one else is getting shit either they just hate buffs rn apparently

[agile orchid]

I'm just rerolling to DK

fuck this shit

I can bet they didn't fix the assa bugs either

[opal raven]

"too op" (on par with warlocks)

[ripe ibex]

how does pack leader not get nerfed

[red zinc]

cause fiwb

[timid shoal]

crank those heads buff back into the sims boys

[keen belfry]

I’d rather no notes than the notes we just got

Cuz I can then cope

[worldly shale]

ye bro idk

[copper radish]

GG boys blizz fucking hates us

[lime lake]

[copper radish]

S tier now with heads coin fix? Ima pretend

[long barn]

Jesus Blizzard fucking hated us

[violet ferry]

is pack leader op right now? I thought that all BM hunters are playing Dark Ranger?

[keen belfry]

“Ermmm guys they for sure use better data than WCL graph”

Guess where the 4 specs that got a nerf placed on WCL graph

[copper radish]

They are playing dark ranger. Pack leader is honestly just as good and u don’t have to play multi shot its crazy

Pack leader gonna be more even now 😂

It’s like they all swapped to ranger on the buffs now they’ll all be back to pack but it’s still S tier

Class with two S tier hero specs lmao

[ripe ibex]

yeah

[violet ferry]

Lol, the no cooldown, no multishot, 3 button spam BM hunter spec that tops meters
Meanwhile Outlaw is fighting for scraps with Aug

[copper radish]

Literally this. Barbed and KC till on cooldown and hit cobra. Hit bestial wrath for two stampedes and that shit can do 50mil DPS on first pack of Ara Kara no multi

[indigo token]

"Fixed an issue that caused the damage bonus provided by Fatebound Coin (Heads) to be 8% lower than the displayed value"

[hasty warren]

coin bug fixed omg

[jagged plover]

more pvp changes than pve

[daring oxide]

does this mean we get a buff

and

i dont get !muted?

[vivid vessel]

3% st buff in raid only ye

if that makes you happy

[daring oxide]

no

[vivid vessel]

for the 30 min you spend in st in reclear

[daring oxide]

its depressing as fuck to see this

out of touch with the current tuning of the patch

[lime lake]

there is no tuning to be done

this is fated season

[copper radish]

Sounds like it counts I guess

[daring oxide]

ok

[lime lake]

all 7 devs are working on midnight sorry

[daring oxide]

i just care more about not getting !mute

[violet ferry]

lol it still remains true

[copper radish]

Fk this hunter lmao

Can’t believe that’s true a whole year later 😭

[worldly shale]

if all of us give 10 bucks

we might be able to pay

a blizz dev

for a buff?

[copper radish]

That would be what like $100?

[worldly shale]

in that ballpark yes

[keen belfry]

their 2 tuning pases have been:
nerfing the top 4 classes on WCL charts
buffing the bottom 3 spcs on WCL charts

[lusty night]

ok i asked in assa chat but theyre busy yapping

is this fatebound fix

big for assa

[lime lake]

get ignored again

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/ignore-do-not-disturb-go-away-ignored-ignoring-gif-25567988

[vivid vessel]

HAHA FUCK YOU

its 3% for outlaw raid st

i wont tell you about assa tho

[lusty night]

SHIT ASS

[lime lake]

if only there were a pin saying how much the bug was

[cinder oxide]

🧙‍♂️ I cast COCKROACH STORM at blizzard 🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️🪳🌧️

[lime lake]

then you could extrapolate how much the fix would be from that

[glass mortar]

Outlaw saved zac???

Our worst profile got buffed by like 3%

(We were 5% behind other people)

[rotund cliff]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[daring oxide]

whats the hesitation to buff outlaw 😭

[ripe ibex]

people who play rogue do not play outlaw

[uneven charm]

🤣

[vivid vessel]

with turbo boost we enter a new partition in wcl, soulbinder will be out of all stars, and some adds on araz will not count

considering its the only 2 bosses keeping us afloat

you are gonna see outlaw go down dramatically in wcl ranking

that will help player perception

and next set of buff which are in 2/3 weeks

we get 10% aura

[strong halo]

bro 3 nerfs

and thats it

this is the LAZIEST

tuning ive ever seen

[restive obsidian]

Hall of fame closed. This expansion in maintenance mode now

[lime lake]

remember this is just fated without any of the affixes

and everything will make more sense

[daring yoke]

What a big class tuning this week

[zenith root]

Anyone remember if the rotation from Legion has changed much till now?

Or priority list

[daring oxide]

hope so 🙂

[quaint mauve]

r we deaduzz

[lime lake]

well the rotation has changed drastically, but remix is tww classes so that doesnt matter

[worldly shale]

atleast they know we partially exist

[quaint mauve]

this was for sin not us

kek

[zenith root]

Wait, so the abilities and talent are going to be the same from tww?

[lime lake]

yes

just with whatever borrowed power they added to remix on top of it

[zenith root]

Oh shit, thanks I didnt know that

[zenith root]

Correct

[daring yoke]

they are working hard to make us meta in midnight. hence the lack of change this week

[hot arch]

I don’t get it, outlaw is the bis spec why do they give it no love

[eager rose]

cool

[lucid sandal]

truth nuke

[ocean lodge]

bro

where is the fucking outlaw buff

where is it

this isn't funny anymore

[strong halo]

will these nerfs even change the meta?

[hasty warren]

3% aura nerf fdk looks a little small

maybe arcane will be replace by ele ?

[quaint mauve]

unholy dk was meta all last season even with nerfs

the meta never changes bro

just roll dk if y wanna be meta every season

[fluid iron]

2-3%

[hasty warren]

when outlaw st buff

[lusty night]

wow ur moire delusional than i thought

[lusty night]

sooo

big or small

[fluid iron]

well its 2-3%?

so about that big

[lusty night]

hmm i see i see

does it make it better than sub in raid?

like on fract for example

im a bit out of the loop

[smoky lotus]

they already were better than sub on fract

[red zinc]

klassik

[fluid iron]

everything is better than sub on fract

quite literally

[lusty night]

sexy

[ocean lodge]

In theory outlaw should be pretty good in remix, no?

with procs doing the bulk of the damage, mobility and naturally cleave

[light dune]

how much does FB care about making sure BTE is on cooldown before vanish?

not at all? just GS?

[gaunt phoenix]

with the gs tech, not at all

[strong halo]

should i open vault as outlaw?

i did kill soulbinder this week

[ocean lodge]

where's the outlaw buff blizzard

[stuck sparrow]

its still outlaw

classes that do funny things with haste usually do well in remix

[ocean lodge]

and

[copper radish]

I think it’s gonna blast tbh

[ocean lodge]

I think with giga stats sin will be omega stupid

but outlaw should be funny.

[stuck sparrow]

nah classes that have hasted gcds

tend to go stupider in wild stat patches

[ocean lodge]

depends on scaling

sudden demise just instagibbing

[stuck sparrow]

either way remix has like 0 content

collect sargerei mogs

and maybe unique recolors

[ocean lodge]

every party needs a pooper

One handed taeshalach will be mine

[stuck sparrow]

Oh

people like wooden stick sword

i forgor

[copper radish]

They added a one handed for this??

[stuck sparrow]

Yes

[copper radish]

God damn bout to be rocking those

[stuck sparrow]

its a redeeming feature of taesch being

temu version of the cm sword

from wod

[copper radish]

They should make the scythes one handed versions too

[stuck sparrow]

greatsword of the inferno

taesch is just a temu version of it

[ocean lodge]

yeh

https://www.wowhead.com/news/one-handed-taeshalach-and-odyns-spear-transmogs-added-to-legion-remix-378347

[copper radish]

That and the scythes my first purchases

[stuck sparrow]

not a fan of how many xavius shoulder mogs gonna spawn

they’re so tacky since people never bother making a real mog with them

[ocean lodge]

i already had it, but i've yet to really find anything that works for the nelf or belf models

[copper radish]

What time yall time remix hits tomorrow. Says 3pm pst for end of maintenance. I’m going 5pm pst

[proper bear]

Are we back?

[stuck sparrow]

works on fem nelf not belf

only with certain mogs

[ocean lodge]

I had mogs that it looked fine with but nothing that wouldn't be better with something else.

[copper radish]

No

[sonic pawn]

How much of an increase is that fix coming tomorrow for Fatebound ?

Is it still as the pins say like 3.5% ?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[strong halo]

But doesn’t fix stealth bug?

So we still use macro

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah that's not changing until the xpac

[rich moon]

they are fixing it? 😮

[sonic pawn]

@rich moon looks like it

[rich moon]

dang, I'm glad they're fixing it but they could have also given us a small buff

[ocean lodge]

Was outlaw generally the best leveling spec?

I haven't really leveled rogue for a good while. I assume it is.

For remix ofc lol

[wintry solar]

It sucked

I leveled one on the ptr

Energy...

[copper radish]

Leveling outlaw sucks until like 30-40 when u get the BF aoe talents lol

[ocean lodge]

How are the others? Sin doesn't seem like it'd be fantastic till ic and subt lol

[copper radish]

Idk I always level rogue as outlaw

[ocean lodge]

Based

[lone spear]

sub is probably still good

u get prep early

[copper radish]

Yeah subs got the aoe shurniken thing

[ocean lodge]

I'm expecting subt and outlaw to be the strongest early

Fatebound double hook funny like that

[copper radish]

Sin with full stats will probably blast

[ocean lodge]

Maybe

[copper radish]

Auto proccing sudden demise at 100% lol

[ocean lodge]

If sub has the thing where shadowstriked mobs don't unstealth you when they get one tapped

It'll be the fastest by far

But sin will get insane

Real fast

[copper radish]

Sin with the fan of knives talents tho and just spamming that might delete dungeons

[ocean lodge]

Probably lol

Depending on scaling weirdness demise might just one tap everything

[hollow thunder]

Any chance Outlaw with the FB Fix is better now then Trickster in Keys or no?

[gaunt phoenix]

FB is keys is viable but deemed awkward

for one you have no flexibility with vanish at all

You must vanish gs in melee range

The aoe loss in general doesnt seem to be worth it

[copper radish]

It feels really good on bosses in keys. But aoe packs it don’t look good lol

[ocean lodge]

It's better in midnight but not yet lol

[daring topaz]

Hi! Im beginner on rogue and after tested both spec I can tell I like outlaw. However I have a question. Does there is a build more beginner friendly for dungeon and for raid ? Like for the moment I'm learning the class and wow too (since the S1 of tww), I tested almost all the classes and rogue is one of my favorites so I would like to play it the most of the time.

[gaunt phoenix]

we have two builds, HO and KIR, the HO build (hidden opportunity) is weaker this tier but easier to play

because the builder priority is simply ambush (if available) > opportunity (if available) > sinister strike

and roll the bones rules do not have to think about the container buff stuff created by KIR

[native acorn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt i’ve done one outlaw key this week

it’s so over

and it was a 10 😭

[frail veldt]

ive done 0

lol

[wintry solar]

I didn't even play

I feel great

And BF6 is coming out so I'll continue to not play

[quaint mauve]

been gaming on the brewmaster

[daring topaz]

I see ! do you think as beginner it can be a good option to take ho build ? like for the moment I don't push high I'm still in hm dungeon and some +2 or a lil bit higher but my main goal this season is just 2k rio for the mount

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah it's fine

Some people still push with the HO build even

[daring topaz]

oh ok ! thank you for the help ! I gonna practice it and maybe coming back if I struggle on different things ! 😄

[frail veldt]

I have just been failing keys rofl

[quaint mauve]

i dont feel like putting up with applying to 15-16s

rn

so

alts

are getting geared

and pvp too

im getting the 1800 sets i like

the real mains

[wintry solar]

Zzz

[pearl topaz]

I honestly dont know whether its worth learning how to play outlaw at this point in time but i guess you could have fun in remix or w.e

[rotund zodiac]

Do we have legion remix outlaw channel?

[ocean lodge]

Brew tier set this season is fire

And brew no longer feels like a naked blood dk practicing judo without death strike

[quaint mauve]

its super fun

especially in cds

u do so much dps

[ocean lodge]

Honestly if it's fun it's worth it unless you're doing some hall of fame whatever. Have fun, it's a video game ye?

[ocean lodge]

And you control the pulls so you never have a problem getting max value lol

[quaint mauve]

it feels nice

and im doing the same keys as my rogue

down like 15 ilvls

[ocean lodge]

You can get away with a lot of nonsense as a good tank

Probs gearing my brew once I get the mythic crest discount thingy

[wintry solar]

When it launches we will

[ocean lodge]

Outlaw should honestly be very good in remix

Once you're one shotting everything it's about mobility and consistency yaknow

Got evasion if you want to try something stupid

[quaint mauve]

i still dont have heroic boots

[keen dagger]

Pardon for the silly question, im not seeing anywhere in the rotation guides when to use/ priority to upkeep slice and dice... but I do see we take slice and dice talents. Am I missing something where we dont need to, or is it an unspoken thing? What's the deal lol

[young prism]

SnD is being cast automatically when you cast evis

[keen dagger]

Oh, what talent is that tied to?

[torpid fiber]

Not a talent

[young prism]

It shouldn't be a talent it was a rework that had been done for 1 2 years ago (not sure)

[torpid fiber]

Class passive Cut To The Chase

[young prism]

Yes that one

[keen dagger]

Ooooh okay I was wondering why I couldn't see it in the tree lol

Ty all

[young prism]

So bte casts evis (with chance) and evis casts snd

Bte thingy is talent for example

[young prism]

I might be wrong about chance part

[still matrix]

They fixed fatebound and thats ittttttt

[young prism]

I'm wondering if the fatebound fix is going to affect the m+ builds

since we are lacking in st a lot

[vale warren]

Bte casts dispatch while in stealth/subterfuge and dispatch gives snd

[torpid fiber]

Problem is that FB loses ST if there's other mobs nearby

[young prism]

yes thanks for the correciton 🙂

[hollow creek]

Hello , is there anyone here who can look at a m+ log from me and see What i can do better?

[cinder haven]

Depends

Are you completely newbie or more advanced?

Beginner logs we can help with but advanced logs are tricky

[hollow creek]

17 eco

So i dont know noob+

[torpid fiber]

Just ran into a ghidra decompilation bug fml

[real mauve]

how much do you guys normally average on the training dummies in raid spec? i can only hit 2.8 lol

[serene brook]

st or 5 targets?

[real mauve]

St

on kelpfist

714 il

[quaint mauve]

like 4 mill unbuffed

[serene brook]

man i dunno 3.9-4.3 for 2min fight, 718 ilvl tho

without buffs ye

[quaint mauve]

im 716

2.8 is very low

assuming bad rule following for fb vanish rules

let me playyyyy

[serene brook]

mythic plexus i have 4.3m and on fractilus i have 4.6m (green log tho )

[quaint mauve]

its bad bro

i cant even look at my outlaw parse colors

bc it hurts

im getting better parses on brew too....

obv bc people actually play this spec

[real mauve]

Any where i can find info on fb vanish?

yeah 2.8 mil is cooked

[serene brook]

well u know, sometimes u have like 5.5m, then some crook died like a total noob and then RL calls wipe.
Next pull u have 4.5m, cuz i dunno, every boss mecha on you, no good rolls, no good procs, etc. The most cooked pull for you and it is time when boss is killed. It happens for me every single time

[timid portal]

in faq

[real mauve]

Ah awesome

Thank you 🙂

[thin dagger]

Are we changing to fatebound instead of trickster in m+ after the bug fix?

[serene brook]

I personally liked fatebound in dungeons like The Dawnbreaker, there are no much big aoe pulls, and more priority damage feels better, dont know about overall tho, looked same to me

may be im cooked

but no changes for other dungeons even after the fix, cuz fatebound talents scale very bad in 3+ targets

ig

[quaint mauve]

nope

[lyric saffron]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[lone hamlet]

Does Devlins WA work without ElvUi and shared Media?

[cinder haven]

sorry, I think it will be difficult to see anything useful in the log unless you are severely underperforming

like if you are hunting for the last 2% damage it'll be hard to help

if you feel you are lagging like 20-30% behind or something, then send a log

[flat needle]

No Ping for Bugfixes? 😮

[fallen knot]

i have a question, with turboboost and no unlimited crests, what do i do with my next 90 gilded? do i finish upgrading my myth gear or go full send on my crafted weapon and spend the remaining gilded on high mainstat pieces of gear?

[mighty pivot]

you sim it

but most likely weapon will win

[fallen knot]

ok

[unkempt dew]

What bugfixes?

[daring oxide]

no ping necessary for no effort

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

Turbo Boost stuff

Heads coin is fixed, this is +3.5% dps in raid

Possible Dinar items:

• Mythic Interloper's Reinforced Sandals / Sigil of the Cosmic Hunt if you've killed mythic Soul Hunters
• Heroic Interloper's Reinforced Sandals if you will never do mythic and somehow don't have these yet
• Any mythic mainhand
• Other than sigil, Stone Cursed Idol, Astral Antenna, Incorporeal Warpclaw, Ara-Kara Sacbrood, Unyielding Netherprism are all similar
• If you cannot get mythic sigil, then mythic dungeon trinkets should be better (can ask Raidbots)

691 Nightfall Cudgel is technically still worth to weapon swap in keys, giving you maybe ~1% more dps overall, but most people don't have it or don't bother

[inland cairn]

"if you somehow dont have these yet", tell that to my guilds 1 normal and 1 heroic leather boot drops

[sullen moat]

hey does outlaw have increased range from acrobatic strikes anymore?

or an equivalent?

[torpid fiber]

Nope

[sullen moat]

still better than sub range though?

through flurry?

[torpid fiber]

They gave it to everyone and then took it away from everyone and we ended up worse than before that happened

Flurry is 8yd radius around you but you need a target in 5yd to hit for flurry to happen

[glass mortar]

not that im aware of unless they reduced the range on all of subs aoe stuff

[young prism]

is crest cap going away tomorrow?

[near pewter]

No

[young prism]

then why the hell they are introducing new upgrade levels

[glass mortar]

tomorrow

(for u non NA players)

they just arent uncapped crests until a few weeks after that

timegating so u dont consume all the new content on day 1

[young prism]

I assume we'll be dropping DISC belts tomorrow

[fallen knot]

when is legion remix coming out?

[young prism]

tomorrow

[fallen knot]

a

fml then

is the move to login instant and make clever use of ingame mechanics early and often or to just wait a month so that blizzard will increase currency drops

[copper radish]

Uncapped comes with the dinars in a few weeks

[wintry solar]

Guilds can be so mean sometimes

[young prism]

yep I saw it

As of the week of October 21, the cap for Crests is lifted, and Valorstones become Warbound for the remainder of the season. Mythic+ drop rates for Warband until Equipped gear are also being doubled. Ethereal Voidsplinters may be earned in Mythic+ dungeons, Manaforge Omega, Delves, and rated PvP to fuel the Catalyst.

[copper radish]

Idk why the time gate 🤷‍♂️

[young prism]

for extra 13 Euro

it is more like Currency Gate (irl)

[hasty warren]

is remix on retail client or it's a diferent one ?

[compact mountain]

Retail, it's just an option on character creation.

[sterile wharf]

anyone has midnight alpha access?

[copper radish]

Guy does and a couple others. He’s posted updates in the midnight outlaw channel

[copper radish]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1422983549044265010

Check the pins for stuff too

[scarlet drum]

What is the "sigil" trinket in the pinned notes?

[gaunt phoenix]

Sigil of the Cosmic Hunt

[sterile wharf]

Thanks a lot 🙂

[zinc briar]

So we wont get a fucking buff for another week? Lets goooo keep being the wrost spec on ST dmg

[glass mortar]

u got a 3.5% buff to st damage from the bugfix

[gaunt phoenix]

i think sub is worse at fractillus

[glass mortar]

that brings u from second worst boss damage in the game to maybe third worst

😎

[zinc briar]

3.5 of out shit dmg is nothing

[normal forge]

frost dk nerfed by 3%,

I think we have a chance now

LOOOL

[copper radish]

S tier now

If u flip the chart 😭

[craggy quiver]

Solo is this gonna be updated in simc?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

well not right now

Let me get home and confirm it actually happened

[lime lake]

blizzard would never claim a fatebound bug was fixed when it actually wasnt

that doesnt sound like them

[orchid oracle]

yes

textures and fonts might not look like in the images, but it will work

[hasty warren]

tomorow it's only +6 ilvl on items right ?

or we have additional crast too ?

[glass mortar]

just ilvl

[hasty warren]

rip my crest

[granite quarry]

literally cant do anything with it until 2 weeks later, such a pointless update

[glass mortar]

it means u dont need to logon for 2 weeks u can just play remix

[hasty warren]

should be earlier

like 2-3 weeks

[cedar wyvern]

will there be a remix channel or just spam in here

[vivid vessel]

Watch me gain 15 illvl bro

I hope you all did your prep

[fallen knot]

i swear to god if you craft half your gear i'll lose my mind

[vivid vessel]

Why would I do that

It's wasted gilded

[fallen knot]

runed

for upgrades

something like that

[vivid vessel]

I'm 723

It's not gonna be upgrades

But every slot will cost me 20 to max instead of 30

And I have 200 gilded banked

[coarse parcel]

excuse me?

[fallen knot]

yea you dont

[vivid vessel]

[coarse parcel]

[vivid vessel]

I can upgrade half my gear to max tomorrow

Or more I don't remember

[fallen knot]

or he does

and did the 720 thing on a alt

upgraded everything on main

for less

[vivid vessel]

Ye I'm abusing alts

[coarse parcel]

I'm pretty sure your alt are higher than my main

we chillin I guess

[frail veldt]

Does crafted gear automatically go up in ilvl or do you have to recraft

[coarse parcel]

[frail veldt]

I forget how that works

[vivid vessel]

It's 717 but with 400 gilded in bag or smth

My alt

[vivid vessel]

Recraft with a thing that cost 30

[frail veldt]

Ugh

[coarse parcel]

smh

smh

[vivid vessel]

[fallen knot]

yea i dont care enough about that to do degen things

[vivid vessel]

I still need to drop the raid neck to be full geared tho

I didn't really do degen things tho

I just got 720 achiev on makn

Then I only upgraded on alt first

[fallen knot]

i'm gonna upgrade my things tomorrow, maybe not get benched on saladaahr

[vivid vessel]

Before upgrading on main

[fallen knot]

if i get benched i go play magic so it's a win win situation

and on the 21st i'll get my ilvl

[vivid vessel]

Also I took 717 from vault everyweek

Even if it was just gilded saves

Instead of taking sockets

[fallen knot]

thats degen

[vivid vessel]

No not really

30 gilded or so is better than sockets

I will get the sockets at some point I don't care much

[fallen knot]

i still have to get a socket

on my main

[vivid vessel]

Like sockets are so useless

I rather be 730 ilvl

That's much more fun

[coarse parcel]

not a single socket and not full myth, I'm a true gamer, I play hardmode

[vivid vessel]

[fallen knot]

i miss shoulders on myth track

then i'm full mythic

my shaman on the other hand

[vivid vessel]

I miss my neck

[fallen knot]

is 709 and has a dream

[coarse parcel]

I miss my ex

[vivid vessel]

I'm neutral

[fallen knot]

if i get it to 720 before we go prog dimensius i can play a normal class and not the shit ass slow shadowpriest

[vivid vessel]

I hate that crafts aren't discounted

For the gilded achiev

Makes craft so fucking inefficient

[fallen knot]

i'm wearing 684 boots from last season on my shaman

cause i refuse to craft or go farm them

i actually might get the myth ones from AH tho ngl

for like 100k

[granite quarry]

unlucky vaults & crap guilds got me hardstuck, im stacked on crafted gear & was dumb and wasted crests on hero* gear kek

[fallen knot]

is 150k worth 30ilvl?

and free upgrades for hc boots?

[inland cairn]

do we know if a 2h staff on an alt would discount my rogue weps
its the only thing im unsure of in my plan

[vivid vessel]

Oh ye I did buy ring and belt boe to gain ilvl

That's like 60 free gilded

[balmy topaz]

You filthy

[fallen knot]

i should have done that aswell

but

my guild takes commission on boe drops during raid, i got a myth cloth helm with socket and got like 200k for the sale

so i'm trying to not spend too much

[granite quarry]

just dont loot mobs in raid, i got a myth boe even tho it was boots with shit stats so didnt sell for much but no ones yoinking my gold loool

[wild heath]

Just disable autoloot nd loot just the gold ez

[copper radish]

Anything for that ilvl advantage. Drop a few milly gold lol

[vivid vessel]

guys what raid renown are we at rn

[hasty warren]

9

tomorow is 10

[vivid vessel]

ok

[fallen knot]

zac did you do the renown 18 rep for infinite augment rune?

[vivid vessel]

y

[fallen knot]

tryhard

[granite quarry]

big true

[balmy topaz]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[lucid sandal]

We did it chat

Now just need some crests

And a socket I guess

[copper radish]

Damn already lol

Time for midnight lol

[lucid sandal]

One thing I'm missing is gloves

Probably craft angle since they're from m+

[elder phoenix]

so wait

they fix'd the bugs now?

[lucid sandal]

on NA probs

Good region has to wait tomorrow

[hollow creek]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[still matrix]

Did you upgrade normal sigil?

Or is that hc sigil goes 714

[lucid sandal]

it's myth

I just got it and I'm crest capped atm 😔

[still matrix]

Rip

[vast mauve]

!ffuu

[sullen wyvern]

@gaunt phoenix I felt that being personal

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

somehow ..

do we have the thing tomorrow

or is it in 2 weeks

[sullen wyvern]

funny thing is that with some friends I've been running that heroic for weeks, and we help each other with funnel, kill the boss, no leather boot drops

[vivid vessel]

dinars

[sullen wyvern]

I'm done

[gaunt phoenix]

2 weeks

[sullen wyvern]

I think its in 2 weeks

[vivid vessel]

wtff

i miss one item solo

[arctic hollow]

I think they mentionned getting third dinnar on the 21th octover

[covert kestrel]

today is two ilvl

[vivid vessel]

if i dont get it this reclear

im gonna be so mad

I NEED MY ONE ITEM

[spare lake]

What is dinar

[covert kestrel]

puzzling cartel chips

[sullen wyvern]

damn zac bro

youre giga juiced on your gear

[vivid vessel]

how do you know wtf

[copper radish]

I still haven’t won a roll on them too 😭

[sullen wyvern]

im stalking you

[copper radish]

Lost the last pair of boots to a boomy in heroic 😭

[sullen wyvern]

bro I do a raid with friends in a way that no one else can roll for the boots

literally

only a friend and I

they still wont drop

I am done

[copper radish]

Just spend dinars on a heroic piece 😭

[sullen wyvern]

the priest that I barely play and only do rat keys with won the boots against like other 10 colth users

[copper radish]

Yeah ofc my DH and BM have hero level interlopers and the rogue still has normal ones

[sullen wyvern]

and I just saw zacs gear on raider and I am literally foaming out of my mouth

I've never felt this jelaous

[vivid vessel]

what you dont know is that i have 200 gilded to spend on reset

[sullen wyvern]

ofc you do

I have 45 still crafted 720 weapons

rogue has been gigacursed this season

and I dont do mythic raid so

it is hwat it is

[spare lake]

We rolling rogue again for legion remix ???

Kinda don’t wanna have 2 rogues but I don’t even know

[sullen wyvern]

zac one question, cuz I may have to simm

youre using tenacity and crit enchants on your weapons

im still runing radiant auth

are those simming higher on dslice, st or both?

for you of course

[vital venture]

does someone know why wox played nelf in those 2 time trials dungeons?

is it better than dwarf

[copper radish]

Maybe for the extra restealth on clearing packs?

[vital venture]

actually i cant remember all dwarf dispellables in those dungeons off the top of my head

maybe not as needed in gambit and eco

[analog fog]

Cuz dwarf ugly asf

[copper radish]

Lmao. Can’t wait to be back on kul tiran big brawling for midnight

[sullen wyvern]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/elves-chad-dwarf-gif-25266189

[sullen wyvern]

that's exactly why I dont roll dwarf either, they look fugly

[copper radish]

About to make a gnome too. 5 extra energy

[sullen wyvern]

pcool

[copper radish]

Nice toe nails

[sullen wyvern]

hard to see someone playing troll looking badass

This is what Im rolling

MH should have unchained gladiator wep enchant but it doesnt show on armory for some reason

[copper radish]

Just need the dark fuse robe then you’ll look like every night elf under the sun right now

[worldly shale]

ty

local blacksmith did them

[copper radish]

Looks like they add +5 damage

[worldly shale]

they add +5 to feet pics

[worldly shale]

i farmed that shit

just not to use it

xd

[copper radish]

I missed the extra rep week so I need like 7.5k market research for it 😭

[sullen wyvern]

I've honestly never seen anyone with my mog tbh, maybe shoulders, and weapons yeah they are from the monthly thing

[glass mortar]

thats because its ass 😠

jk but yea the robe would go hard with that

[copper radish]

It’s unique looks good

[glass mortar]

people dont like simple setups for their primary gear pieces

[copper radish]

I’m always rocking my classic VanCleef mog most of the time

[glass mortar]

u rarely see it

[copper radish]

Was finally able to complete the VanCleef set when they added the OG Naxx mogs back like the displacement boots

[sullen wyvern]

where can I even get that robe from lol

[stuck sparrow]

What are those shoes

and gloves

[sullen wyvern]

maybe when we are much closer to midnight i'll get it

[copper radish]

Dark fuse rep grind. Need 8.5k market research

[sullen wyvern]

I've been playing poe2 too much lately

[copper radish]

Would probably take two full days of farming now to get the robes

Like 12 hour days lol

[stuck sparrow]

same

i've not mogged it once

[stuck sparrow]

yeah they look bad

[stuck sparrow]

i didnt acc mean what are they

[sullen wyvern]

oh ok

yeah boots are rough I need better ones

glovesI just wanted something black and not bulky

[stuck sparrow]

gloves not much better

[brazen valley]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[gusty pagoda]

Can I see

[copper radish]

Sure I will link it when I get off work

[bold sphinx]

xD

[copper radish]

Is that a brewmaster

I love them

[gaunt phoenix]

@cinder haven ?

[vivid vessel]

@cinder haven ?

the brew is tob on his alt

glazzing himself

[hasty warren]

when blibli fix dawn bugs ?

[bold sphinx]

Mw

[covert kestrel]

hes got multiple accounts GET HIM

[cinder oxide]

No secret 2nd round of outlaw buffs

[cinder haven]

no comment

[craggy barn]

[cinder haven]

but surely there are no tobfon fans

[covert kestrel]

we''re all tobfon fans when you stepped in when Solo had to go undercover in a illegal mining camp in south sudan for a few patches

youre not the stepdad, youre the dad who stepped up

[cinder haven]

[copper radish]

What do people do when servers off most of the day

[topaz roost]

ayyy

[cinder haven]

they never are in EU

[topaz roost]

I feel like dogshit as an outlaw player

And I have good gear

So I think I'm missing something

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble finally done

[random stirrup]

Work

[vivid vessel]

[fathom bramble]

huge

[copper radish]

Time to retire till midnight

[olive marten]

So i wasnt originally gonna play legion remix, does anyone know if theres any cool rogue shit we can get from it?

probably gonna play for some housing stuff at this point so might as well see

[frank bane]

Not rogue specific but these daggers are mint

[olive marten]

oh okay, those are pretty legit

any specific way to get them?

[frank bane]

That is all I got

[heavy shadow]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[knotty needle]

legion remix stormheim stuff
dungeons raids story i think

and maybe exalted with the rep there?

[lime lake]

its any 3 of those 4 achievements

[normal forge]

fatebound bugfix did the job, much better now

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

servers arent up

[normal forge]

what

WHAT

it is gotta be

[lime lake]

[covert kestrel]

[covert kestrel]

Congrats you just got placebo'd bozo

[worldly shale]

Just got a freeze on hunters

Ffs

[normal forge]

what?

[worldly shale]

A lua error too

[covert kestrel]

fatebound bug fix isnt in the game yet

[normal forge]

im doing much more dmg on raid today, so i dont know

[ocean lodge]

like

genuinely

what is the reasoning behind not buffing outlaw

[ripe ibex]

what happens next

[keen belfry]

do i let him go

[normal aurora]

I think Ian has mentioned they don't care as much if the class has multiple options for the role. So if sub and/or assa is doing fine, then the class is fine.

[ripe ibex]

Jason#Koep

aram?

[ripe ibex]

holy

[keen belfry]

i havent played league lately..

[ripe ibex]

its time to come back

[keen belfry]

im gonna try remix

m+ cursed..

[worldly shale]

ok no joke can someone help me figure out the lua error

[ocean lodge]

league makes dbd look good by comparison

[ripe ibex]

https://i.imgur.com/n2ijvOJ.png

@keen belfry

need one aram

ignore chat

[keen belfry]

coming..

[balmy topaz]

Full set finally complete?

[copper radish]

Looks like Warcraft

[balmy topaz]

Is that the dwilks

[dense bolt]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vivid vessel]

yuh

[ripe ibex]

dwilkz

https://i.imgur.com/Qq4tlVP.png

someone needs to do something about this

[keen belfry]

bad procs

[ocean lodge]

surprised you didn't have it yet

[keen belfry]

what hsyuld i take

[neat mist]

boots

for sure

[ocean lodge]

waow.

probably prism unless you one trick outlaw lol

motherfucker

[neat mist]

fucking destroyed

[keen belfry]

i play sub for forge/last 2

[random stirrup]

thoughts?

[keen belfry]

can my mage has?

[random stirrup]

no is for my mage

[keen belfry]

when is dinars again

[random stirrup]

21st

[keen belfry]

ill just take prism then

[ocean lodge]

at least I got a seperate pair of gloves for sub/sin now

[keen belfry]

surely cosmic brownie drops from soul hunters tn ya?

[ocean lodge]

meanwhile my lock alt I never play gets bis every week from one vault slot

[keen belfry]

oh wait i should just take cosmic brownie trinket cuz i play outlaw outside of raid soo ill just buy a prism

[ocean lodge]

can't buy for like

three weeks?

[keen belfry]

2 if its 21st

[ocean lodge]

ah

IDK why they delay it

[short fable]

which hero to myth upgrade do I take

i have both of these at hero

[vivid vessel]

any chest can be catalysed

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[short fable]

i see

i wasn't sure cuz I have both of these at hero so not sure how much the upgrade from Hero->Myth would be

[keen belfry]

zac ru here

[short fable]

cuz either of them seem good since chest piece has good substats

[random stirrup]

whats the valorstone farm

quick

@keen belfry