outlaw

[lone spear]

combat insight is legit a number buff to me

thats just a MoP thing as well tho

[wintry solar]

MURDER

Wordle 1568 3/6

⬛🟧🟦🟦⬛
🟧🟧🟦⬛🟧
🟧🟧🟧🟧🟧

@mighty pivot

[quaint mauve]

@wintry solar you fucking suck at wordle

i’ve never eeen you own

win

[wintry solar]

eeen you own

You have horny pfps, your insults mean nothing.

.

What's a loss?

Idk

LOSING ISNT IN MY VOCABULARY

[quaint mauve]

bro what

how

do i have horny pfps

what’s weird abt mine

[agile orchid]

no class tuning

[quaint mauve]

this show is so good

[worldly shale]

i gooned to the vampire chick

Fdk wasnt really geared, arcane was tho, like 2 ilvl below me

[quaint mauve]

like why’d you have to tell me

[worldly shale]

Idk ure the goon guy

Should be in ur culture or something

[quaint mauve]

@proven ocean why am i goonguy

[desert tendon]

Asking zeross

[proven ocean]

Pfp of ur gf

[hasty warren]

Hi pitates

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[echo whale]

hello rogues ! im back on the game after long period. Question about off hand in outlaw... Can I use a dagger in off hand ? Most important is the ilvl of item on this slot yeah ?

[hasty warren]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[hasty warren]

Do as u want (remember to sim ur gear)

[echo whale]

thanks team

[wintry solar]

Cowboys now

[hasty warren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h-cRzmYQlvQ

[wintry solar]

[hasty warren]

real

https://tenor.com/view/animan-animan-studios-cowboy-riding-horse-on-my-way-gif-3442782594772820120

[fleet knot]

Hi, i have a strange problem, i feel like some of my casts as outlaw are skipped and another spell is executed instead, is it because of the spell que window mine is at 400 the default one

[hasty warren]

u can try reduce spell queue window y

100-200 is good

[torpid fiber]

Sqw only fucks u over if you press thr wrong button

[worldly shale]

dont press the wrong button?

[torpid fiber]

That's my strat

[wintry solar]

I have my house set to explode if I accidentally press Pistol Shot at max CP

[torpid fiber]

good idea

[wintry solar]

dude the parish police report is out

lets see if I know anyone that got arrested

I knew a couple. One lived in my village

thats crazy, small world

https://x.com/nobbel87/status/1974416977176437164?s=46&t=Bd5TzpT7EhvIpzh1MdZuzg

bar fight at @mighty pivot house

Nobbel (@Nobbel87)

Visiting friends is available for player housing testing.
You can edit in real time as in adjust your house/furniture with someone in it.
You can duel inside your house.
Warmode is active as in, you can turn your neighberhood into a warzone. You can turn your house into an arena.

X · Oct 4, 2025, 10:11 AM

[mighty pivot]

all you need now is an eu account

[wintry solar]

you saying im not capable?

[alpine valve]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[wintry solar]

Dude that command will be gone soon

[mighty pivot]

fun deleted soon

[worldly shale]

rip !wa

[wintry solar]

I don't use even half of them

[jagged plover]

ace counter is bis

[worldly shale]

ace refund is bis

and the one that gun cocks above 5cp

forgor name

cool af

[copper radish]

as long as we can add custom sounds in midnight we chillin

[worldly shale]

they are changing our theme tho

with the weed

we are cowboys now

yeeeehaw

idk if good or bad

[cinder haven]

Not allowed to wear pirate hat anymore

[frank bane]

I will fight someone

[mighty pivot]

tbh you have to actually play the spec to do that

[worldly shale]

sadge i have to remove my eyepatch

[covert kestrel]

mate i just looked it up and it looks so not qol lol, stomp going away is bonkers

[hasty warren]

I'm a bit sad for RTB rework

thought it was part of our identities

[cinder haven]

Meh it’s fine imo

There’s things I don’t like about the rework but that part is fine

[digital tusk]

I don’t think I want to be a cowboy…

[gaunt phoenix]

It's a little more boring but rtb is still rtb

[worldly shale]

im not at all

i love the change

now i dont have to suffer from not getting bs

[gaunt phoenix]

But now bs doesnt affect pistol shots

[timid portal]

Wild west shootouts in the outlaw neighbourhood

[hasty warren]

we'll never forget what we lost

[hasty warren]

tbh I don't understand how we have to play now, no crackshot window, low ace proc

hard to figure what is the line of play

HO look more horrilbe than ever

[craggy quiver]

We went from pirates to cowboys

[cinder haven]

slam everything on cd, pray for procs?

there will be some funny ps rules probably

other than that not much going on

[craggy quiver]

Good ol bfa

I like how they did a prune between legion and bfa then they said they pruned too much and add more skills

Just for them to prune again

[hasty warren]

kinda remind me SL gameplay a bit

[lofty cedar]

where are outlaw buffs

[cinder haven]

yeah it's basically SL outlaw

[lofty cedar]

i heard it was getting buffed today

was it fake news?

[vapid sundial]

the devs dont know outlaw exists

[lofty cedar]

oh

[cinder haven]

why would it be buffed on a weekend?

[hasty warren]

I had a good feeling of it but maybe it's only newby nostalgia

[cinder haven]

I think it’ll play alright

As it stands I don’t know if there’s any type of encounter where outlaw will really shine though. Possibly with the deletion of GS we’ll actually have strong aoe up to our cap

But it all depends on tuning

If we are tuned the same as everyone else at 8t I don’t know what our purpose is really

[hasty warren]

I hope PC deletion will help for more sain ST damage

[cinder haven]

it will mean our raid overall is not propped up as much by council fights

so maybe we'll get more appropriate ST tuning

[hasty warren]

my dream

[quaint mauve]

that’s a good thing btw

[rancid tiger]

should AR be 90%+ up time in a keys? I cant seem to get past 70%

[covert kestrel]

SooM gameplay so

[zealous lantern]

i need a offhand for single target

the funny mace is funny but its doodoo for boss dmg i feel like

do i craft the funny dagger?

surely the proc is not that terrible

[covert kestrel]

its part of playing the funny mace that you usually have a "regular" st offhand which is whatever is highest ilvl for you

and switch between it before/after bosses in dungeon

[zealous lantern]

yeah

i think ill just make siphoning stilletto

elemental lens does like

nothing

[covert kestrel]

embellishments are all within 0.1% of each other and don't do anything so its really of just taking whatever the least bad is

not really anything to lose sleep about

[zealous lantern]

yeah

i use the binding of binding

might as well do the funny dagger to complete the "im so different" build

[keen belfry]

yes 90% good, 95% very good

[midnight granite]

70% log or active combat time

[quaint mauve]

yes

[rancid tiger]

log

havign such a hard time with outlaw

do we only Keep it rolling when 4 buffs are up....seems awful

[hasty warren]

Is cuddle still BIS in AOE with myth mh and crafted oh ?

[cinder haven]

you can use it with 3 as long as one of the 3 isn't BT (or GM in ST)

but KIR usage won't be why you have 70% adr uptime

link the log, I can take a quick look

[covert kestrel]

and thats why theyre making it more simple in midnight lol

[rancid tiger]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/wF9jxbX67qVcHvdN?fight=last

just finished this

i feel so miserable with outlaw

did a little better with up time that run but damage is so crazy bad

[cinder haven]

Looks like you are not keeping up the pace on pressing stuff on gcd

Or possibly energy starved a lot due to misplays, bit hard to say if it’s one or the other or both

Could also be positioning

Not in melee range etc

[mighty pivot]

cuddles are very important for your mental health

[cinder haven]

Ok, some real things. You get too few coups out, which means not handling unseen blade correctly. #outlaw-faq has info on what to do there. Also think you sit on KS a bit at times. You dont get enough bte off, maybe due to how you use vanish. Are you always vanishing at 6+ cp, are you using quick cp refills in crackshot to get more bte off? Like adr and pistol shot and blade flurry?

[craggy quiver]

Yea in m+

It's about 2% overall dmg for me in m+

[cinder haven]

That doesn’t say anything though

Since you lose ilvls on the oh

[craggy quiver]

I guess

Just #simit

[cinder haven]

Its hard to sim

With the weapon swaps etc

I stopped using it myself

[craggy quiver]

I use it but I have it 691

[cinder haven]

If you do perfect weapon swaps it may be worth, at least with 691

[craggy quiver]

I mean you just gotta swap on boss

It's annoying yes sometimes I go into boss with it equipped lol

[hasty warren]

I feel like in realy big pull it's valuable

but on 5-7 target idk

[quaint mauve]

bro i know how bad it is

but

the cheesecake from jack in the box

always calls out to me

and i suffer the consequences

[young prism]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[strong halo]

Hmmm I’m pretty sure it’s 💯 worth with 691 unless you’re pulling less than 8

Not as massive as last season sure but still sims better in D slice

Vs 723 off hand

But the swapping weapons is still super annoying

[vale warren]

Cudgel is gonna get worse with turbo boost too

Cause only hero and myth are getting ilvl boost

[strong halo]

Oh true forgot about that

[quaint mauve]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nsjaZ91P9ZwCPoQcmDj9SD
FUCK YOU SAC BROOD

can this trinket stop being

my top simming trinket

???

[gaunt phoenix]

its the haste prolly

[quaint mauve]

its not

it brings me

to 22

from 19.4

or 23% actually

like wtf

[gaunt phoenix]

i guess these other trinkets just arent that good on st

granted some of them are a whole 0.1% behind

[junior coral]

Outlaw

[daring oxide]

outlaw buffs on monday btw

feeling pretty warm

[opal raven]

no

[daring oxide]

i mean

theres a good chance

always a 50% chance

either happens or doesn't

[strong halo]

thats not how it works....

[worldly shale]

actually it does

like everything in life

or does it

50/50

[daring oxide]

it is brother

like all outcomes

true/false

outlaw buffs on monday

its either true or false

[strong halo]

Yes thats not how it works lmao

[daring oxide]

we gotta wait and see

like lottery

u either win or lose bud

50/50

[strong halo]

Tomorrow either the planet is destroyed. Or its not. its 50/50!

[daring oxide]

YUP!

its like that everyday

u never know where some mad scientist is hiding

on the verge of creating a black hole

could be anyday now

[worldly shale]

hes starting to get it

[daring oxide]

soon he will understand

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-boy-cowboy-gif-12550037

i need to change my mog now

cant be pirate anymore

fuck

tumbleweed would make no sense

right?

[lime lake]

no one here is a pirate

so can neither confirm nor deny tumbleweeds on pirate ships

[worldly shale]

wait what are u then

thought this was a pirate convention

https://tenor.com/view/alan-tudyk-garr-dodge-ball-pirate-gif-9492100

[lime lake]

[worldly shale]

wouldnt it be cooler if killing spree was an uncapped cone

like fucking

https://tenor.com/view/atheer-gun-michael-scott-the-office-ath-gif-23470765

https://tenor.com/view/joji-pink-guy-gun-gif-15704233

[stuck sparrow]

18 naked cowboys

[wintry solar]

"Wouldn't it be cool if" is exactly how we got this KS lol

[gaunt phoenix]

😨

maybe a little too close to nsfw

[lime lake]

[jade abyss]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Fmp2HKyq6Chfc4av?fight=4&type=auras&ability=452146&source=128

Is there an easy way to know how much agi I got from the arakara trinket in average in combat during a key?

8 stacks seems high as well, I don't feel like I reached that often but idk

[gaunt phoenix]

On average no

but yes it can stack up pretty high briefly

well you can math out what the average would be regardless of logs (and the result should be similar given enough time)

in simc the average stack is 2.53 at a given time

which is 7540 agi

[jade abyss]

ok I see nice, I guess there are still differences from a key to another so I was curious if we could determine the average easily from reading logs

@gaunt phoenix thanks for always answering my (often dumb) questions btw it's very appreciated

[gaunt phoenix]

[torpid fiber]

solo is the goat

[worldly shale]

xd

sowwy

its on tenor tho!

[gaunt phoenix]

i forgive you

[worldly shale]

love u

[burnt dragon]

deft maneuvers for mythic forgeweaver? or sleight

[gaunt phoenix]

i think sleight

you just dont deft enough

and it doe snothing on the amp

[burnt dragon]

so same talents as soulbinder?

[craggy quiver]

im a believer of sleight

[burnt dragon]

nice

[craggy quiver]

is stoneform on gcd?

[hasty warren]

https://www.reddit.com/r/wow/s/Ls3A6tufUF

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[ocean lodge]

So like

how many of us are actually planning to play rogue for remix lol

I'm thinking outlaw but idk

[wintry solar]

I am

I want to see how how high I can get my haste to play ryus build

And then I'm playing bdk for the M+

[quaint mauve]

bro its so hideous comapred to what monk got this expac

i love... doing 12s

@frail veldt double brewmaster keys?

[frail veldt]

Lolololol

Community is getting spicy

[quaint mauve]

you know im 2942 right?

lol

[copper radish]

Yes. Kul Tiran. Big boi

[ocean lodge]

I'm assuming that assassination will get really stupid when stats reach critical mass

So even if outlaw falls behind I imagine rogue will be good for a non tank

[wintry solar]

I'm going stealthless kir once I hit 200% haste

[copper radish]

No mastery cap sudden demise gonna kill mobs from 100%

[wintry solar]

Actually

No capstone

Doesn't matter

You're not doing the damage

[copper radish]

15% dmg don’t mean shit lol

[wintry solar]

If your class mattered sure

[copper radish]

Prob no crackshot needed

Just some fat dispatch build

[wintry solar]

Nothing is needed, your artifact weapon is stupid OP

Which is the point

[copper radish]

Melee dmg gonna carry us

[wintry solar]

Can't stand the idea of DB spawning trees ngl

Demons is fine ig

[fair tapir]

How the hell does OL survive in a 15 and higher? I feel like I definitely don't have enough defensives without elusiveness, and I don't think I'd have the spare energy to hit feint enough with elusiveness

Just got my shit pushed in for the entirety of my 15 DB

missed time by 2 min 😢

[cerulean portal]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[fallen mural]

We have a plethora of defensives. I'd say outlaw is one of the most tanky specs when it comes to a dps. Especially with evasion coming off CD quite a bit

[frail veldt]

on your brew already?

[quaint mauve]

nah im just saying what that warr said to me

my monks not even 700 ilvl bro

[frail veldt]

aaaaaaaah lol I couldnt tell who was who

rofl

wtf

wait

so hes 715

sub 3k

and shit talking

[fair tapir]

then I was doing something terribly wrong

[frail veldt]

then take elusiveness haha

[fair tapir]

I only died 3 times I guess, but I felt like I was consistently at 20% hp

[frail veldt]

honestly

I have like 30-40% feint uptime a lot of keys

[fallen mural]

sounds like you might have a healer issue or feinting at the wrong time

[frail veldt]

I feel like im the highest health person in my group almost every time

everyone else is struggling to survive and im just watching htem hoping they live

you can also press vial during your ks

like every time

[quaint mauve]

yup...

[fair tapir]

Will start running elusiveness then

See how that works for me

Thanks for the tips friends ❤️

[whole talon]

Progging Myth Forge. Noticing 150+ BtE casts in the fight and im at about half of that. Question is, during crackshot window, are you always hitting BtE at 5 or more combo points, or are you casting the ability as many times as possible regardless of CP.

Best pull of the night log for reference. https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/9jzYn2QDqWaxHK4C?fight=34&type=damage-done&source=16

[torpid fiber]

always 5+

[ocean lodge]

Gets poked by wire

All of your blood vessels evaporate

[wicked jacinth]

BtE casts will vary alot between each and every pull, although not sure how relevant that is to the BtE casts itself but u skipped quite a lot Killing spree casts it feels like.
Additionaly Adrenaline rush can be used also as CP fill

[ocean lodge]

Aren't you in legion remix

I don't think it's like mop

[wicked jacinth]

but imo BtE casts not including just purely missing Vanish windows / casts is highly variable

[wintry solar]

It's exactly like mop in terms of damage output

Just different sources now

Unless they decided to nerf everything

I was really strong at max lvl on the ptr

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt is there an easy way to get nerub tier ? on mythic

i have a vision

[frail veldt]

idk what that even is

I am not a collector

[quaint mauve]

the shoulders

from season 1

raid

[frail veldt]

oh

idk there might be

catalyze a piece of s1 gear if you have it in bank or something

check some alts

otherwise youll have to just do the raid I think

idk tbh haha

[quaint mauve]

rip

[ocean lodge]

Oh, so it's like 99% procs again?

[slim relic]

How does Outlaw look in Midnight? Is it finally good? monkaS

[ocean lodge]

It's got the potential to be good but needs a few adjustments

[wintry solar]

And your new CDs are super busted

[flat swan]

can I play double non-dagger as outlaw?

[wintry solar]

Yes

[flat swan]

❤️

[ocean lodge]

I saw the cdr one, what else

[wintry solar]

Each route comes with a new ability

[desert tendon]

[fallen mural]

running god comp

https://tenor.com/view/worldofoutlaws-werble-gif-23861983

[desert tendon]

Thats probably the worst possible comp in midnight

[cerulean portal]

whys outlaws ST is so low

[wintry solar]

Because you didn't put enough money in the pot for Bobby's new yacht

[weary fog]

hey thats me

[fallen mural]

BIG KASP

[queen night]

those rogues are alright

[tribal oasis]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[rotund cliff]

!RTB

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[dense bolt]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[dense bolt]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[lusty night]

@vivid vessel

good outlaw neck?

[vivid vessel]

ye but the raid neck is better

or well

feels better

its prettier

more vers

gets my cock hard

i like vers

[lusty night]

shame outlaw is unplayable

[young prism]

do you have any specific settings in raidbots for M+ sims?

because my dungeon slice sims are suggesting to invest on haste

evethough I have %19

[vivid vessel]

hey now

dont call my spec unplayable please

[lusty night]

where is it playable sir

actually it could be kinda good in this raid

with all the adds

have you played it

[vivid vessel]

ye

its the worse outlaw raid since i started playing wow

[lusty night]

wtf

but you get all that passive cleave on those adds

[vivid vessel]

both because outlaw is so massively undertuned this season, and because all the important bosses are the worse ever created for outlaw

ye

insane bro

[lusty night]

???

forgeweaver, soulhunters, nexus king

[magic shuttle]

Doesn't help that fatebound gets punished when adds spawn

[vivid vessel]

only boss outlaw is good is soulhunter ye

[lusty night]

and i mean

technically soulbinder

[vivid vessel]

on all other bosses outlaw is litteraly the worse spec in the game

[lusty night]

how is assa

[vivid vessel]

its sub but worse

so no one plays assa

and it suffer from the same fate as outlaw this season

which is fatebound

the most horribly designed hero talent

aka you lose prio damage when adds comes out

and you dont scale in aoe

[lusty night]

id have thought in pure ST with no damage amps assa would be better

[vivid vessel]

this is pure st no damage amp

[lusty night]

xd

ye so it is better

[vivid vessel]

ye insanely better

tghis is araz all damage

and this is araz relevant damage

this is outlaw on last 2

kinda banger

last 2 bosses being like

500 pulls

all other bosses being 30 pulls added all together

[lusty night]

this is why i try to get you to try alts

but you hate fun

[vivid vessel]

fun =/ damage to me

so ye

telling me i hate fun when i play litteraly the only spec i find fun no matter the damage i do

crazy

[copper radish]

hey outlaw isnt last LETS GO

[teal garnet]

The goat

[small egret]

using coup de grace set bonus max cp or what is good cp amount for use ?

[ocean lodge]

Due to a bug they lost like 200k on sims lol

So might as well be sub pmuch

[lusty night]

What’s bugged

[lone spear]

as high as you can without wasting procs of UB (basically without sinister striking)

[crude anchor]

Way too much

[gaunt phoenix]

!ban @bitter thistle spam

[craggy quiver]

I can't believe there's not gonna be class buffs or nerf for 11.2.5

They really pulling the plug before midnight? Lol

[gaunt phoenix]

it seems so

[craggy quiver]

Lame

[gaunt phoenix]

not even fixing Heads bug is weird imo

[craggy quiver]

Would like one final hurrah before midnight

[lone spear]

but is leaving outlaw in a buggy/bug exploity state not what we're truly about

(i doubt this will change)

[hasty warren]

or any bugs

blizz take 5 years fixing buggs that everyone know

[lone spear]

work 101, if you have outstanding tasks, they wont assign you new tasks

[hasty warren]

look assa with 15 bugs

[lone spear]

does ass have the heads bug too?

[lime lake]

yes

[lone spear]

aww man

we cant even have that

[hasty warren]

On MM Araz, do we take PC or it's pure padding ?

[lone spear]

doesnt matter

if anything, you should legit play fatebound if you wanna do ethical dam

[deep sequoia]

It’s pad but pad=more dam

[hasty warren]

I'm in progress

[deep sequoia]

But also the adds need to die so

[hasty warren]

so idc about damage

[lone spear]

i would suggest fatebound, other people will kill adds

especially after turbo boost

[deep sequoia]

Well in that case go fastening d

Fatebound *

Phone auto correct is too strong

[lone spear]

fastening deez nuts

https://tenor.com/view/goteem-go-team-happy-fun-sports-gif-4789485

[hasty warren]

kek

[deep sequoia]

Fuckin goteem

I can’t recover from that ggs

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[lone spear]

its a shame snek has to die

right before outlaw reworm

[hasty warren]

I see 90+% ppl are playing trikster on this boss but I assume it's only ppl who wants to parse

[lone spear]

rework

FUCK

its got me too

[deep sequoia]

Ggs

[lone spear]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[deep sequoia]

It’s actually so funny to me that if ur having an argument online and u have a spelling mistake ur automatically wrong

Ggs

[lone spear]

such is life i fear, its the same irl if you get confused and say the opposite of ur argument, you just auto lose ff

[deep sequoia]

Just ff irl

[lone spear]

[deep sequoia]

Killing spree getting nerfed also in midnight

60% nerf is a bit insane

[lone spear]

im guessing they want it to be a trickster only thing

but like, weird way to do it

[deep sequoia]

I’m not mad at that but that kinda guts trickster tbh

The rework to fb looks insane lol

[lone spear]

i think trickster is gonna get big changes too

no way UB works like this in midnight

[deep sequoia]

They are making the lucky coin on any 7 flips instead of matching faces

[lone spear]

ye

[deep sequoia]

Also fucking ghostly strike got nuked

Good fucking riddance

They kinda made BTE do what ghostly used to do but stacking

And a buff on you I’m guessing instead of a debuff

[lone spear]

yea

[deep sequoia]

U get to target swap yay

[lone spear]

it is just a better version of df s1 outlaw imo

[deep sequoia]

Exactly

The talent where u spend 15 cp and I get 200% restless blades seems good too

[lone spear]

decent for downtime

could be a bit stronger

[craggy quiver]

Doesn't the new apex talent apply a debufg

With bte

[deep sequoia]

Seems like it could end up being about the same cdr overall too in uptime

[craggy quiver]

So cant swap

[deep sequoia]

Maybe? I don’t remember

I gotta check again

O wait no it’s the shadowlands s4 tier set right?

When u ss it loads a shot

[lone spear]

nah it doesnt

[deep sequoia]

I forgor

[lone spear]

it just has a chance double apply the buff yo u

ye its tornado trigger

[jagged plover]

bte itself just has a buff now

[deep sequoia]

Exactly

I LOVED outlaw in shadowlands season 3-4

That tier set was so nice

[lone spear]

its great, but i kinda feel it has anti-synergy with ace*

like u wanna dispatch more with it talented

but ace procs kinds counter that

[deep sequoia]

The zero in talent would probably go crazy with that tbh

[lone spear]

honestly they should add that part of crackshot in

as a talent instead of take'em

where bte sends a dispatch

[deep sequoia]

Ur auto attacks give u more crit damage to ur next bte

[deep sequoia]

Yea true

Since they don’t require stealth for it anymore too make it 100% instead of 50

Crack shot was amazing

[lone spear]

yea it wilm just alleviate any feeling of ace procs feeling kinda bad

[deep sequoia]

I love it but I really don’t wanna play around stealth anymore

[lone spear]

ye nah they can keep that in the bin

it was fun for a while

[deep sequoia]

Or make crack shot only happen when u get an ace proc

[lone spear]

but its time for a change

yea that too

[deep sequoia]

And make crack shot do like 150% dispatch

So if u get giga lucky u do big dam dams

[agile orchid]

they should replace rtb with an ability that grants you crackshot for X seconds

[lone spear]

nah new rtb is cool

[deep sequoia]

Or make it a rtb buff

[agile orchid]

how is it cool

it's the same button you press to get RNG buffs

[deep sequoia]

Replace one of the buffs with a buff to the chance of an ace proc

[exotic gale]

without rtb rolls the class doesnt perform well, those buffs will have to be baked into some other passives

[lone spear]

what ur suggesting is just current vanish w/ crackshot lol

[agile orchid]

yes

I love crackshot

[prime agate]

is outlaw slowing down at all for midnight or is the class still super high cpm

[agile orchid]

unfortunately redditors complained too hard

and they removed it

[deep sequoia]

No

[lone spear]

i mean fair enough, but i think the new direction is fun

[prime agate]

okay

[lone spear]

even tho i also like crackshot

[deep sequoia]

It’s still gonna have ar with a .8 sec global

[lone spear]

theres value in novelty

[agile orchid]

how is it not slowing down

you won't have 100% AR uptime

[lone spear]

itll slow down outside of AR

[agile orchid]

that's many 0.8 sec gcds gone

[random stirrup]

you are also losing vanish and gs as offgcds

[deep sequoia]

I feel like people are overreacting how much cdr we are gonna lose

[random stirrup]

and kir as well

[prime agate]

[agile orchid]

kir is still there

[deep sequoia]

Kir isn’t going anywhere

And it’s still off gcd

[random stirrup]

its still there but it doesnt look like you take it

with the rtb change

[deep sequoia]

Probably gonna play HO with kir

[jagged plover]

ho is kinda dead

and kir doesn't do much currently

jackpot is like 1% odds

[deep sequoia]

Ah maybe yeah

[random stirrup]

1% odds while being the weakest of the 4 buffs

[deep sequoia]

U kinda needed cto for kir to be worth it

And with no cto its kinda cooked

[jagged plover]

will surely get some kind of redesign but

[deep sequoia]

No cto no crack shot

[jagged plover]

not even sure what would be interesting

[deep sequoia]

I feel like the rework to rtb is a step in the right direction

[random stirrup]

also HO lost ambush striking twice and since you aren't entering stealth anymore with vanish not being on restless you lose the guaranteed uses of it

i think audacity procs more often but im not sure how much it makes up for it

[deep sequoia]

Wait that’s only a thing from stealth?

I’m a noob I didn’t know that lol

[random stirrup]

well audacity lets you cast it outside stealth

but entering stealth lets you cast it without a proc

so you're losing those casts

[deep sequoia]

Aah

[strong halo]

Bro half the streamers I watch rerolled to BM hunter

There’s no rogue streamers any more

Zac doesn’t even stream anymore

[vivid vessel]

not my fault

my tank wanted to take a break

i wanna play the game tho

soon

[untold yarrow]

im doing like 13s on my alt

anyone else noticed they are demonic

how are these keys so bad now

impossible to time with the animals doing them tf

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

no i dont have alpha

[keen belfry]

do you think your comp

can push this season

like, near r1 keys

[vivid vessel]

ye we can do all the same keys that are on the board rn

we just havent played for a while

but ye

[keen belfry]

hmm

[vivid vessel]

for now all the keys being done we can also

also im not really worried cause last time we played

we just got a bunch of r1/r2

with just one try on keys

so idk

i feel like we are fine

monksea damage prolly

[keen belfry]

yeahhh

just intrigued cuz

how do u do same key level as fdk, hunter, havoc keys

[vivid vessel]

i think we will start again next week

i think

im not sure

[kind frost]

Dont know if i looked over it, but what is the ideal sim setup for outlaw for m+? Just dungeon slice?

[keen belfry]

this feels like aug season 2

[vivid vessel]

Idk we were when we were still playing 2 weeks ago

And we were barely playing

I don't think we are at an extreme disadvantage

[keen belfry]

i just wonder if itll change as turbo boost goes on and routes become more optimized

[vivid vessel]

Because monksea does inf damage

[keen belfry]

yeah, it might literally just be monksea

cuz noah fence zac

if u just left ur group

and they added bm hunter

or havoc

gg

noah fence tho bro

[lime lake]

[keen belfry]

noah fence zac

[opal raven]

U mean he's not him ?

[keen belfry]

hes not

noah fence again zac

[random stirrup]

the awang of EU

[keen belfry]

yeah

cant believe his 4th alt name isnt euawang

[split ingot]

whats the command to show the docs that show what our defensives work on

[random stirrup]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[split ingot]

thanks

[keen belfry]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[strong halo]

Dw guys we’re getting buffed with turbo boost

I have inside information

[keen belfry]

ty

[granite merlin]

Man with blizzard posting ll these changes it has then the wind out of my wanting to play as hard or learn alts

[strong halo]

Are you io pushing on your mage?

[keen belfry]

no

im just gearing random alts

kinda fun

ive probably gained 15 io in the last 15 days on my rogue

[ocean lodge]

Where tf is the outlaw buff like jfc

This is silly

[lime lake]

sorry no more tuning

game is perfectly balanced

[prime sun]

!log

[gaunt phoenix]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[strong halo]

Blizzard took Max’s word and thought they could take the rest of the season off

[novel socket]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[ocean lodge]

How long till we get a fucking buff

.>

[worldly shale]

30 minutes

at midnight

[ocean lodge]

They're gonna nuke us because a streamer will hit a 70k bte while leveling with max consumes and buffs

[ripe ibex]

frost mage treatment

[ocean lodge]

Arguably arcane

Firedup progging with a spymaster during burst execute got them nuked like a week in lol

[lusty night]

@vivid vessel do you not have a team anymore

[vivid vessel]

No I do

We kinda are taking a break

We get r1 while all the other teams are in mdi

Don't worry about it

[lusty night]

zac do alt push with me pls

i have geared resto druid

[vivid vessel]

No

I don't play alts bud

You know that by now

[lusty night]

why do you hate fun

[vivid vessel]

No actually quite the opposite

That's why I only play outlaw

[lusty night]

you enjoyed havoc dh for a while

[vivid vessel]

No I didn't

[sterile plank]

Anyway i can make Sinister strike icon look like Saber Slash in Legion?

[gaunt phoenix]

make a /cast sinister strike macro and pick whatever icon you want for the macro

[lusty night]

is legion remix with legion class design?

[sterile plank]

No if i remember correctly

[lusty night]

wtf

then whats the point

[sterile plank]

TWW talents

to get mogs and mounts

[sterile plank]

Ty

[worldly shale]

i no cap cant wait to see lower numbers

millions are getting boring

[sterile plank]

True

[lilac jungle]

The break is already too long, need those stream back quicly

[vivid vessel]

Yeeee

Porsea didn't feel like playing much lately

So we waiting a bit

For the new ilvl and shit

[ocean lodge]

But that's a post squish number

[lusty night]

we're gonna be doing hundreds of dps

[ocean lodge]

I hit a 120k bte j/s

Was pretty dope

[lusty night]

ye but the game is so unfinished yet 90% of alpha is irrelevant

you're basically just testing if the game can even launch at this point

[ocean lodge]

Oh yeah numbers mean fuck all rn

Mechanics are more important

Which is why warlock is the mvp of the game no matter what for midnight unless they really backpeddle a bit

[hasty warren]

I hate the fac our ST is trash

[red zinc]

itll be higher than s1 sl

but not that much

[novel socket]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[strong halo]

are we the only class with no buffs at all whatsoever?

[daring oxide]

Buffs tomorrow

Don’t fret

They coming

If they don’t come tomorrow

Solo can !mute me until midnight beta hits

[lime lake]

[hasty fable]

quick check: bubbling wax still bis over ironclaw stones?

[gaunt phoenix]

In raid yeah slightly

[hasty fable]

ty

[radiant fiber]

!tricks

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[iron quiver]

Wait a minute

Why do we use a dagger OH?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's about the same as a slow weapon

it's very slightly better by like 0.2%

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[quaint mauve]

i just

sat at the training dummy for

30 minutes

straight

doing what i sim with no buffs

if my hands arent trained to create mega parses now

idk

it wont even matter in a few months

[wintry solar]

Practice for brawlers guild

The goat

[quaint mauve]

whats that

i should start pvping

my pvp friend told me ol is good in that

[wintry solar]

He lied

It's a hellscape rn

Restless blades is nerfed

Coin is nerf

No prio from ks

CC bot

Zzz

BtE big nerfed

[wintry solar]

It's kinda like a mix between a pve arena and a scaled down version of mage tower. The fights escalate in difficulty and players can watch you fight.

It's insanely fun

Idk how different it'll be this time around but every other time, each fight was drastically different.

[quaint mauve]

oh

idk maybe he got rolled by an outlaw

hes 2600 in 3s rn

[wintry solar]

He probably didn't know how to counter it

There's like

4 outlaws in 3s

[wintry solar]

Brawlers guild!

[quaint mauve]

is it really not good?

i feel like youd be unkillable

[wintry solar]

If they leave you alone you can def do damage into dampening but games are over by then.

I was being dramatic. It's not "bad" but you're probably not getting kills with it unless your comp plays well into damp.

But it's def not fun

[fallow sonnet]

does this stuff still work? i assume it might be blocked in instances lol

[random geyser]

@fallow sonnet i think it is a combat potion now tosses tempered on cd

[old gull]

If you play with a good caster that knows how to follow up on stuns etc it’s one of the best melee in the game. But if you’re not coordinated it’s one of the worst lol

[torpid heath]

Whats the opinion on outlaw changes for midnight?

[wintry solar]

Good but needs some work

Naturally

[ionic tinsel]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[shell dust]

is there a weakaura or something that remind me to do prepull or prekey things i like never remember

[blissful idol]

Works but has a 5 min cd and shares cd with tempered potions

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[zealous lantern]

why did they remove hi-explosive bomb

nobody even used it in m+

[proven ocean]

Everyone did in high m+

It was too op

teams only

Pugs just didnt know about it

[zealous lantern]

lame

need new aoe interrupt

shadow landmine is ok but it tosses the pack around

[proven ocean]

Bring Bloodelf aoe silence back…

[fathom carbon]

Kind op, but then again...Other racials does aoe cc hmm

[wintry solar]

Wordle 1570 4/6*

⬛⬛🟦🟦⬛
🟦🟦⬛⬛⬛
⬛⬛🟦🟦🟦
🟧🟧🟧🟧🟧

@mighty pivot

[mighty pivot]

lucky dog

[wintry solar]

Skill

[torpid fiber]

Wordle 1,570 4/6

⬛⬛⬛🟩🟨
⬛⬛🟨🟨⬛
🟨🟨⬛🟩🟩
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩

[kind frost]

whats the ideal fight style for simming m+ is it just dungeon slice or patchwerk with x bosses for x minutes?

[stiff hawk]

Dungeonslice

[eternal kite]

Is outlaw st damage in keys really that bad? Comparing with other classes im ofteb 1 mil in dps behind.

[agile orchid]

yes

[eternal kite]

Dam that sucks

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

or cowboys

idk how to refer to us anymore

[wintry solar]

Pirates AND cowboys

[hasty warren]

at the same time ?

[wintry solar]

If you want to

[hasty warren]

idk cowboy sounds kinda childish

[patent mirage]

cowboys

since we use american magic

[wintry solar]

I'm just saying pirates isn't wrong

[hasty warren]

wasn't already the case ?

[wintry solar]

Outlaw is all encompassing

[lime lake]

maybe outlaw is a pirate using an american made gun

[stiff hawk]

Piboys

[lime lake]

thats where the tumbleweed comes from

[patent mirage]

the pirate theme was mostly in legion and somehow in bfa

[wintry solar]

When I think of Outlaw I think of the definition and everything that fits into the definition

Kwim

[hasty warren]

I feel rtb is realy pirate thematic

as grapple

most abilities are more pirate than cowboy for me

[tropic turret]

How's outlaw in keys? I heard that it's best rogue rn

[patent mirage]

wait

does rtb have a new animation on midnight

[hasty warren]

it's the same

[patent mirage]

fth is def cowboy

[hasty warren]

or almost the same

[hasty warren]

u got a point

[wintry solar]

Scoundrel Strike

[patent mirage]

dont forget , highwayman

[wintry solar]

Is that a talent

[hasty warren]

outlaw isn't a pirate with a revolver ?

[patent mirage]

a flintlock that works like a revolver

somehow

[hasty warren]

goblin technologia

[wintry solar]

Pirates and cowboys existed briefly at the same time so its possible

[patent mirage]

a mix of everything

[wintry solar]

It's also warcraft universe so anything could happen

Maybe Elfinor can start saying outlaws?

[lime lake]

outlul

[wintry solar]

So we pirates and cowboys are included together

Actually him saying just pirates is classic Elfinor

[hasty warren]

?

wdum ?

oh ok

reading issue

[wintry solar]

Classic outlaw moment

[hasty warren]

pirate is funnier to say than outlaw

[wintry solar]

True

[hasty warren]

https://tenor.com/view/animan-animan-studios-cowboy-riding-horse-on-my-way-gif-3442782594772820120

and now for me cowboys are

[wintry solar]

The end of an era

[hasty warren]

or ram ranch

[wintry solar]

Great April 1st joke dropped

[worldly shale]

I need a yeehaw when using AR

[hasty warren]

during SL I had a WA that say Gangplank "YO OH" on oppotunity procs

[young prism]

Is there anyone running idol instead of antenna?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

in keys

[young prism]

I ran some simulations and for me 723 idol and 723 claw looking better combination then 723 antenna and 710 sigil

[hasty warren]

can't drop idol for some reason

[young prism]

So I am considering to switch but can't be sure. How is the real life application of idol

Since it's a cast

[gaunt phoenix]

Idol is very good

[young prism]

Like how you use it when you use it?

[gaunt phoenix]

uncapped damage

just after stealth is over

[young prism]

So you are not using antenna then?

In keys

[gaunt phoenix]

No, antenna fell off

It was nerfed twice and the orbs can miss you

so it's not quite as amazing as it was projected

[young prism]

I see

How about sigil vs claw?

[zealous lantern]

football dispenser is bis

[young prism]

Fyi i won't be getting 723 sigil

[gaunt phoenix]

723 is better

[zealous lantern]

+2000 speed

[young prism]

I got 723 claw so I guess I should go with that?

[worldly shale]

Zacs suggestion for high noon yasuo q for bte is giga brain

But hes right its fonna get boring if we dont have other variants

[tired rune]

You won’t have WA’s so 😂

[hasty warren]

ye I almost became insane on procs at this time xd

[hasty warren]

can be fun for tornado proc

[tropic zephyr]

what that looks cursed

like

you gotta align mobs?

[lime lake]

they just meant using the sound

[tropic zephyr]

ha

[worldly shale]

Yea only the sound xd

From the skin

Sounds like a gunshot

[worldly shale]

[hasty warren]

oh it's highnoon one no ?

[worldly shale]

yup

it has a gunblade

[hasty warren]

yeah it feats nicely

mc cree ult sound can be funny too

casidi mb

[hasty warren]

outlaw friendship

defias brotherhood

[manic mountain]

Hey guys, anyone knows if I could find some footage of outlaw rogue gameplay from the alpha? Maybe youtube videos, stream vods, etc? It would also be nice to see sub or sin, but outlaw mainly

[hasty warren]

u can check in #midnight-outlaw

we don't have many videos tho

[manic mountain]

thank you! @hasty warren

[hasty warren]

they're ppl streaming on discord sometimes

[worldly shale]

noob tank, beat him in dps!

[vast patio]

casidi 🥀

[worldly shale]

guys can we stop making outlaw look good

[wintry solar]

Is that true?

[worldly shale]

yes but its toxic and zac

[lime lake]

Any time outlaw has timed the highest key it actually means no rogue spec is meta and its just zac or wox

[worldly shale]

and they were by far the lowest dps

[worldly shale]

and then we get punished for it

:/

[lime lake]

Punished how

They aren't doing any more tuning anyway

[worldly shale]

people thinking we are actually in a good spot

[lime lake]

How is that a punishment

[quaint mauve]

noob dps, beat them in dps!

[worldly shale]

Are they still stuck in last season?

[quaint mauve]

i heard someone in my guild say “yeah outlaw and sub are kinda meta rn” and i almost snapped

[hasty warren]

still call him mc cree

[worldly shale]

thats what i meaaaaaaaaan

[quaint mauve]

i asked how is outlaw meta

[hasty warren]

wtf outlaw above tank

[quaint mauve]

and you already know the rest

same story

as always

[worldly shale]

yup\

[quaint mauve]

“yeah but zac timed a 21”

[vast patio]

nah just calling out the fact it's cassidy and not casidi

[worldly shale]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-well-actually-as-a-matter-of-fact-gif-27665011

[quaint mauve]

we need to ban zac

[worldly shale]

this is how he

[quaint mauve]

if we want

[worldly shale]

told me

that outlaw is the only rogue spec

[quaint mauve]

to get a buff

[worldly shale]

that did 21

then i sent him logs where both toxic and zac are last xd

[hasty warren]

same shit

[quaint mauve]

make sure you show him zac being under tank in ST

[zealous lantern]

outlaw mentioned

[quaint mauve]

deadass how i be feeling on this spec

[worldly shale]

I have to go do 10s idc

So i can get some ego fuel

And be first over 698s

Barely