outlaw

[pastel cloud]

how is outlaw looking at midnight alpha

[stone shoal]

HOLY SHIT IT SUCKS ASS

[granite merlin]

Wow so uhhh if I understand all of this correctly outlaw is going to be super fun in midnight and lose some of the bs like worrying about dropping ad rush and instead of vanishing windows. We can ace at any time :0

And rtb much more intuitive with tiered rolls but still rng if my understanding is true I love all this

[worldly shale]

I love it too, idk why people are not liking it

tiered rolls are goated

[stone shoal]

no crackshot

:(

[granite merlin]

Yeah but now you can randomly get multi resets

[worldly shale]

thats literally a good thing

theres alot of buffs

[stone shoal]

that sucks so hard what

[granite merlin]

That’s effing sooooooooo much fun

[worldly shale]

that make ace proc more

plus

this

Now what i wanna know is

deals damage as if u spent 6 combo points

[granite merlin]

Omfg that last one is awesome

[worldly shale]

does it mean +6

or = 6

[granite merlin]

Yeah it’s either a send with 0combos or send max and get double like a weird coup

[worldly shale]

or just double BE

ye i think it just auto procs 2 BE

that would be my guess

idk

[granite merlin]

That’s sick af

And ad rush is now a cd that makes finishers cracked for a period of time?

This is now like a true combat rogue 🙂

this is true happiness

[vivid vessel]

what

[ripe ibex]

if only thats what the spec was called

[tropic zephyr]

yeah wut

[vivid vessel]

i think you need to read everything back again

[worldly shale]

yhea wot

[ripe ibex]

its just ret pally now

[tropic zephyr]

the whole spec revolves around gun still, we just lost the stealth shit, nothing about this looks like combat?

[granite merlin]

I meant not having the vanish aspect

[tropic zephyr]

yeah we don't have this anymore

[granite merlin]

That’s all

[ripe ibex]

crackshot haters opinion will not be valued

[tropic zephyr]

we're SL S3 on steroids basically

[worldly shale]

i love steroids

[jagged plover]

still don't get why people hated vanish

[vivid vessel]

sl had infinite energy

maybe not

[pastel cloud]

will AR be used like a normal cd now? lol

[vivid vessel]

maybe hgih cringe

will have to see

[vivid vessel]

no

[ripe ibex]

they were told to hate it and cant think for themselves

[jagged plover]

i was always ambivalent towards it but after zac pointed out we no longer have control of our ace windows for stuff like add spawns

feel like a net negative change

[ripe ibex]

cant wait to use vanish for... for... hmm what will i use vanish for?

useless button

[jagged plover]

and off restless blades means passive healing lost from soothing darkness, I guess that's why they buffed leech a bit

[pastel cloud]

so stealth is kind of useless for outlaw now exept if you play HO

[wintry solar]

Do with it what we did back in bfa

[tropic zephyr]

maybe we play blade rush

[wintry solar]

I bet using vanish is still a dps gain

Even if we don't talent into subt

A little shitter ambush like the days of old

[tropic zephyr]

the only stealth interaction is for HO

with takem and ambush

[wintry solar]

Yes

[tropic zephyr]

if we don't play HO, we don't stealth

we don't need to

[wintry solar]

I know

What I'm saying is

Back in the day, combat would vanish for a single ambush use

[ripe ibex]

literally if they just changed the name from vanish to shadow dance no one would care!

and it could stay as being the most interesting rotation in the game

but no instead we have ret pally rotation now

[hardy wigeon]

Vanish my beloved I will miss you

[wintry solar]

Play HO

[pastel cloud]

underhanded upper hand gone too 😔

[wintry solar]

That shit sucked

[tropic zephyr]

oh, yeah maybe

[ripe ibex]

yeah

coolest playstyle in the game

just gone

caues of people holding on to out of date ideals

[worldly shale]

imagine playing ho

couldnt be me

no cappo

[stark raptor]

Hi guys i'm new to rogue on general why PPL playing outlaw with dagger on off hand?

[worldly shale]

Easy to get from raid, it doesnt really matter if its a onehander or dagger

Minimal difference

[stark raptor]

Ok thanks you so much

[quiet root]

pretty sure it means your next BTE costs 0 CP ("free") but does the same dmg as a 6-CP BTE regardless of how much CP you have

and then it resets

and you're still at whatever CP you were at before it procced (might be able to ace proc off it so you'll actually gain CP)

[worldly shale]

that would feel kinda shitty

[quiet root]

would it? a free 6-cp BTE is certainly above average use of a gcd

[worldly shale]

it is good value, but u would dispach and hope for a 6th bullet

and then with no cp

throw a bte

idk

it might be good in practice

[fluid meadow]

ok if bte is on cd what can do if we have procc we generate combos and loseing the buff when pressing, i think it should reset when we got 6 bulelts not after that we press the free bte

[worldly shale]

it just sounds weird

[quiet root]

yeah and then proc ace and fill your CP up for the just-reset BTE

holy

[worldly shale]

i dont like the sound of sending anything at no cp

it makes my brain tingle

[fluid meadow]

and this thing sound legit a tracking buff

[worldly shale]

now imagine if it is a +6

BRO

AWOOOOGA

[quiet root]

idk i send coup at 1 so often that i've become numb to this

[worldly shale]

yucky, even that feels bad

i do it sometimes too

[quiet root]

i mean the situation where we're supposed to comes up pretty often for me

more than "sometimes"

maybe i just remember the times that it does

anyway as-written it's =6 but it would be sick if they made it +6

13 cp bte holy

[worldly shale]

it actually doesnt come up alot for me, i almost always have an opportunity

before a coup

or a bf

[worldly shale]

ye its blizz

thats why im thinking, it might be that

that would feel way better

and it would guarantee an ace

right?

so u would probably get a triple bte guarantee off of that?

POGGERS

cant wait for beta

[quiet root]

no ace is 5% per cp in midnight

and it only gives back 4 cp

[worldly shale]

🙁

[fluid meadow]

is this bullet bte procc like ub 2.0 but with bte? so we have 2 shits together?

[worldly shale]

so like 65%

ehh

me no likey

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5665UCv7B0E

look at the outlaw part

hahaha

LITERAL BUG ON RELEASE

even sub looks cool btw

[jagged plover]

if the bug is permanent bte resets just make it a feature

[quiet root]

i mean it looks less like permanent resets and more like the bug they "fixed" by making BTE reset on stealth is back in some form

[worldly shale]

ye i remember that

i hated it

[subtle field]

How do people know whag changes are made? Was it a live event, or are there blueposts or whatever theyre called?

[proper veldt]

bluepost

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-alpha-development-notes-378688

[stray ginkgo]

So the new roll the bones stuff

Specifically "This grants you one of four possible bonuses, each of which grants all the bonuses of previous ranks and adds a new bonus"

Is just a "ah you have bonus 1 better rereoll each time til you get a better bonus" scenario then no?

[torpid fiber]

yeah

[stray ginkgo]

I mean i guess that somewhat simplifies it

[subtle field]

Thanks

[lofty sand]

wat

i dont get the new RtB

[torpid fiber]

it's like one of those arcade games where you try to swing a hammer onto a pad as hard as you can and it starts lighting up higher the harder you do except you get an rng height and this metaphor really doesn't work I'm realising

[lofty sand]

XDD

i mean i kinda get it, it has levels and each level has a fix buff. So the only rng is what level u get

[gaunt phoenix]

Rtb is 1 buff with 4 stages

it's like

Stage 1 - SnC
Stage 2 - SnC + BS
Stage 3 - SnC + BS + TB
Stage 4 - SnC + BS + TB + Crit

[lofty sand]

So like lets say i got Stage 2

[gaunt phoenix]

You roll a random stage

[lofty sand]

i roll for 3?

trying to get better

[jagged plover]

it's not ramping

[lofty sand]

yeah ik

[jagged plover]

you just get a random stage each time

[gaunt phoenix]

But like you will always have SnC active cause you will always at least get stage 1

[torpid fiber]

if you get 2 and roll again you could get 1

[lofty sand]

yeah

so it'll be simmed

[jagged plover]

it's very much the same as current rtb, just one buff contains all the bonuses, and the order of the buffs is always the same

[lofty sand]

when its worth to min max the uptime of it

and when to just roll

for better

dmg

[gaunt phoenix]

Dont know the % chances of each stage, but based on the whole 'simple ethos' perhaps it will be spam roll until stage 4

[lofty sand]

yeah maybe

zac seen the stuff yet?

[gaunt phoenix]

No zac is blind

Unfortunate accident

[lofty sand]

damn unlucky

ah mb he does

[torpid fiber]

he read too many #outlaw messages

[subtle field]

have the new talents been mapped in a talent calculator?

[gaunt phoenix]

Not exactly

True datamining is not permitted atm

[subtle field]

so this was datamined?

the blue post?

[gaunt phoenix]

No...

Blue post is just blue post

[subtle field]

is a blue post, just a dev post?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[subtle field]

ah okay. Do you like the outlaw changes? Currently im reading assa atm, havent reached outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah i do

[subtle field]

Great! is that from a raid perspective or m+?

[gaunt phoenix]

Kind of returning to late shadowlands/early DF outlaw

[subtle field]

are we talking acro DF?

[gaunt phoenix]

Nah

[subtle field]

:/

damn, but cool cant wait to read the rest. Do you think supercharger on adr is better then rtb?

[mighty pivot]

I warned him not to do it so much

[gaunt phoenix]

I guess

[jagged plover]

supercharger on adr is just giving us copium that the cd will be not that bad

[subtle field]

I dont quite know if its much of a relevant change. Doesnt it kinda make the container thing irellevant to some degree?

[mighty pivot]

SC seems reduced across all 3 specs

[gaunt phoenix]

The container thing is completely removed

[subtle field]

damn. I kinda like that

liked*

but meh its less to think about ig

[jagged plover]

it's probably the exact type of complexity they want culled though

[mighty pivot]

I am curious about the rtb chances, I hope they will publish them instead of needing to roll a billion times

[jagged plover]

hidden complexity + reliant on auras is like double whammy

[gaunt phoenix]

Publish

Wdym by this word

[mighty pivot]

a post providing the %

[jagged plover]

like just say 10% chance of stage 4

[gaunt phoenix]

oh sure

Watch it be 25% each

[limpid onyx]

Always having the buff for % opportunity is nice

[mighty pivot]

that would almost make sense, but then you have SoH which is vague af

[lofty sand]

bro its posibble that there will be a build where u dont press pistol shot at all

the fck

[limpid onyx]

Calling it now, 50 30 15 5

[limpid onyx]

Why do you think that?

Sounds energy hungry af

[jagged plover]

the rtb buff doesn't include ps right?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah but FTH gives more cps

Or at least we think it does

[limpid onyx]

From what im reading fth 3 opp gives 4 cp

[gaunt phoenix]

The FTH tooltip no longer says the shots have -1 cps though

[limpid onyx]

Quick draw is now 1cp per opp

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah so opp pistol shot is 2cp

Base + opp

[torpid fiber]

I don't think it's 3 casts anymkre

It's just 1 cast that hits 3 times

[limpid onyx]

Yea, so 4cp

[gaunt phoenix]

Opportunity was already +1 cp

[pastel shore]

Is there a streamer or youtube video about outlaw rogue on alpha?

[gaunt phoenix]

Not yet

[vivid vessel]

Ye but it doesn't work with broadside and we have Perma broadside + snc, so if our expected cp gain with SS is already kinda like 3/4

What the point of pressing 1 fth

[pastel shore]

Got alpha?

[gaunt phoenix]

Maybe it will be based on energy

[vivid vessel]

I'm blacklisted

[vivid vessel]

I don't wanna overcap fth

If we do

I consider it a failed iteration

[proven ocean]

Skill issue

Im playing alpha rn zac

[tropic zephyr]

how

do you say that cause you're salty and you never get alpha

[vivid vessel]

Ye

And because I'm almost certain realz blocked me

[tropic zephyr]

[unborn basin]

🤔

[tropic zephyr]

"oh no not that guy writing 100 bug reports a day"

[jagged plover]

i think even if realz finds you annoying (likely ) he would see the value in your feedback either way

[tropic zephyr]

yeah, good qa is always good for a dev

if you don't hate your qa, he's doing it wrong

[subtle field]

soo what is the new playstyle gonna be? just alot more, outside of stealth dmg?

[tropic zephyr]

we can bte chain whenever now

you perma bte

[jagged plover]

zac tl;dr here
#midnight-outlaw message

[subtle field]

How so. perhaps I missed it when reading

thanks

[jagged plover]

fatebound aoe scaling i dont wanna play trickster

pls be tuned

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[earnest vapor]

so our rotation and rtb is getting trimmed down in midnight?

[worldly shale]

How do u enjoy fb

[jagged plover]

coinflip spec coinflip

it's not that i love fatebound, it's that i don't enjoy trickster

[fast scaffold]

Short question

If im new to outlaw and wanna learn it.

Whats the best way for it and which talents to just get arround

[digital linden]

outlaw faq is super well written and very good resource for learning

[fast scaffold]

Ive seen that the Hidden Oppertunity is the easier way for learning

[jagged plover]

yeah usually

[plucky chasm]

Can i go play alpha ?

Or you have to sign for it

Idk

Or i just need to buy the midnight

[red zinc]

you cant

[worldly shale]

do we have a rogue streamer thats streaming alpha??

[uncut ginkgo]

its almost like we are reverting back to legion style outlaw

[tropic zephyr]

nah it's strill very SL S3 coded but with a more streamlined approach

[hybrid crown]

Someone show me the uhuh passive we can't see in the talents 🙏

Plsss

[quiet root]

https://tenor.com/view/hand-on-shoulder-akakichi-no-eleven-everything-will-be-ok-my-brother-in-christ-we're-gonna-beat-you-gif-16692013677699419935

[stiff hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[viscid scaffold]

zac are u here? @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

no

[viscid scaffold]

perfect

the part with the kick/blind and kidney from your wa profile - how do i get that it doesnt seem to be included

[vivid vessel]

it is incluided

maybe its anchored to weird shit

open weak aura

should see it

[viscid scaffold]

oh i might be blind i was sure i checked the whole weak aura

[vivid vessel]

in the rogue pack ye

[viscid scaffold]

oh not the general interface one

i see

ty sir

man that sexy ass weakaura

you should ask for money for this frfr

[worldly shale]

dont give the frenchman ideas

[viscid scaffold]

does anyone by chance know where the option is, that elvui keeps the same bars for stealth and normal?

[spare lake]

Can just manually adjust them, no?

[strong halo]

I did a 12 EDA with a 699 BM hunter, he was at like 9M overall

How the fuck is that a thing

[copper radish]

This channel is retired until midnight

[spare lake]

When do we get to try new reworks

[copper radish]

Just get an alpha invite 💀

Or buy the xpack that guarantees beta and we just wait lol

[spare lake]

Ok, which is when? Iirc there’s a date

[copper radish]

No beta date yet but def by end of the year

December 2 is early housing release so gotta be before then, right?? lol

[red zinc]

prolly not

[copper radish]

😭

[red zinc]

2.5 months back from end of february

so like

half december

if I had to make a calculated guess

[rich moon]

honestly the best written out of all the class guides by far

[thorn river]

we still stuck at 19,06% haste ?

[flat swan]

hey guys - is there a midnight - outlaw channel as well? cant find any 🙁

[true cove]

https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1422983549044265010

[spare lake]

How does droptimizer work ? Does it just roll from a m+ dungeon for example and swap gear to see what’s a possible upgrade ?

[gaunt phoenix]

just sims all items from a certain dungeon or whatever you select against your gear

one at a time

[rich moon]

umm guys, is the blade flurry cap being removed for midnight or am I just misreading?

[long barn]

No buffs this season?

[rich moon]

not yet apparently, I hope we at least get the fatebound fix, at least

and a 5% aura buff would be nice

[fiery parcel]

boy I love getting false perma banned and when I ask for an explanation why bc I never got an email explaining it, they say they cant due to policy, I love blizzard so much

[gaunt phoenix]

No it's not

[copper radish]

You have to directly attack them in the appeal request or feedback thing to hear from a real person lol

Criticized the fk out of them on one of mine and a real life person angrily responded to me 😂

[fiery parcel]

ive had 2 gms respond, I just cut the name out

[copper radish]

It’s all a money scheme. Cause new account means new sub and gotta buy the xpack too so it’s like $80 to get back up and going

If they really wanted to keep offenders out they would just ban the bnet account and not the wow account. But they money hungry

[fierce mulch]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[restive obsidian]

didn't get an alpha invite this year, sad times

[rich moon]

sad pirate noises

[shy pecan]

Why is blizz trying to dumb down every spec in midnight?

[valid dew]

To attract new players. More players = More money.

[gaunt phoenix]

More mead more money

[blazing creek]

is anyone theorycrafting those talent trees at this point? I know its mad early but it's hard to tell if Ho builds are just not a thing in midnight with what it's competing with at the bottom

[gaunt phoenix]

Can speculate but at least in here we will wait for a simc implementation

[shy pecan]

depending on how easy it will be to play specs I could imagine more competitive players ditching

[gaunt phoenix]

it's interesting that outlaw gets to go back to dragonflight while other specs get to go back to... something long before that

[valid dew]

Whilst it will be "easier". There's not really another game like WoW. There are other MMO's but no other experience offered like Mythic Raiding or M+

[mighty pivot]

I miss our queen the Bee-E-O

[gaunt phoenix]

real

[shy pecan]

Fair, but I still think some people enjoy the min maxing current game offers and it feels like these things will get way less nuanced when you dumb down the things too much, will see next year how it turns out

[mighty pivot]

this has been said maybe every expansion ever

[vivid vessel]

ok this aint every expansion ever lol

dont be weird

there is a clear difference

[mighty pivot]

I will be as weird as I wish

[desert tendon]

zac i think u cute

[shy pecan]

weirdest angle

[covert kestrel]

yes but the people who do enjoy minmaxing (aka a lot of those represented in class discords and such) are a very small minority so might just be sol with game direction at this time

[median stream]

I don’t think things are getting dumbed down. They seem to be moving away from “things are so complex that no one even understands what they do and instead play the game based on what online guides tell them to rehearse” and more toward “skills are obvious what they do so you have more agency in how you choose to play so the game instead of ‘mindlessly do what online guides tell says’ being the best play strategy”

[shy pecan]

This is like saying a game with less complexity has no meta

[keen belfry]

are we actually not getting .5 tuning

[median stream]

Dota is the most complex game I know and there’s none of this “4% chance to make your next this do this and after 5 of those you can do a super this” type of mechanics.

[covert kestrel]

i just want to play current outlaw before it gets changed

[craggy quiver]

I don't even remember how shadowlands otl feel

[frail veldt]

well in this case its likely that you said direct messages to someone that resulted in a ban but they dont want to cause a witch hunt so they probably are protecting the identity of who reported you

[frail veldt]

they kind of explicitly said they are

I mean you have to do one to accomplish the other

to some extent

[copper radish]

See u in midnight for tuning

[frail veldt]

otulaw honestly doesnt seem like it got hit as hard though

in terms of over simplification

compared to stuff like fire mage

or demo

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt exam in 2 hours

im so cooked

[frail veldt]

eh youll be fiiiiine

LOL

that pully system

[quaint mauve]

i got it right

but man

[sullen narwhal]

I am so disappointed in midnight

They had a really good thing going with df and tww, and now they fucking blew it

[fallow sonnet]

What do you mean, expansion isn't even out yet and the housing looks sick
I'm scared of the pruning but it seems to have a different design philosophy than what happened in wod so I'll give it a chance

[hasty warren]

static ?

[quaint mauve]

dynamics

you assume the pulley system is static at the start

so initial velocity is 0 for all parts

[desert tendon]

i would press pistol shot here i think

it looks like the prio in this setup

[oblique trench]

Kyveza ?? is so bullshits. random resets because of vanish

[wintry phoenix]

I did her on my warrior because I genuinely couldn't even tank the autos on my rogue

Can't even imagine the frustration of being close to a kill as outlaw and having her reset due to vanish

[hasty warren]

i hate this type of exercice

i hate meca tho

[quaint mauve]

bte me

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah this happens if you immediately attack the gcd after vanish ends

or just md to bran

[vale warren]

this spec is so ass 💔

[worldly shale]

imagine not doing it week 1

idk

couldnt be me

[verbal stag]

am I able to make a thread for log review or how does that work here?

just looking to get some advice on what i'm doing wrong

[gaunt phoenix]

typing !log will open a thread but there is perhaps minimal activity

[verbal stag]

!log

[verbal stag]

ty

[haughty wigeon]

in what way

also

#midnight-outlaw

[timid portal]

big event for outlaw gamers

[lofty latch]

lol what's going on in the voice chat

[craggy barn]

scarysai has alpha access

[lofty latch]

so we have 1 outlaw player with access, seems to correlate with our representation

i like seeing crits for 2-3k!

[unreal pagoda]

did they remove melee weapons and just let us use guns?

[worldly shale]

can we buy him

nitro

se i dont have to look at

360p

or something

idk

first world problems tf

@ocean lodge no cap i can send u nitro trial if u never used it

[shy pecan]

is he blasting at least?

[ocean lodge]

uhhhhhh sure

lmao

[worldly shale]

accept

should be able to stream full now

60fps and sht

[tight kernel]

Are we cooked at midnight

[shy pecan]

When was the last time we were not cooked?

[hasty warren]

wtf why there's a 4th row lol

column*

[timid portal]

they add 4th row of hero talents

some of the specs already have them i think

[hasty warren]

y totaly forgor

it's 3-4-3 I think

[smoky umbra]

Was kind of hoping to see .5 tuning today lol but I guess they do have their hands full with Remix and Midnight

[tropic turret]

guys is better axe and sword in pvp then axe and dagger?

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt i bombed that shit

or atleast idk yet

i did 2/3 problems

[hearty stump]

Am I reading the dev notes wrong or are we no longer going to be able to get back to back BtE resets? That’s literally the best part of the spec. Also turning AR into a normal cooldown is super lame if that’s what is happening

[gaunt phoenix]

BtE cooldown reset is baked into Ace

AR is still an 'uptime cooldown' rather than a true cd

Like how outlaw was from legion to late DF

[silk stirrup]

Am I reading correctly that AR no longer stays in stealth/vanish?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[silk stirrup]

Wow

Big changes

[hoary wave]

its looks like we are going back to bfa days or am i crazy

[gaunt phoenix]

More like DF S1 i'd say

[hoary wave]

did you get the alpha solo?

[gaunt phoenix]

hell no

[hearty stump]

So we’re back to getting as many AR’s as possible instead of aiming for 100% uptime?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

I mean, i think AR should have 2 charges

Instead of just reverting UHUH

UHUH was problematic but also created for a reason

[keen belfry]

i just got killed by my tank

wtf ist hat talent

10mil dmg FROM my tank?

[frail veldt]

oh noooooooooo

rip lol

was it crazy pully shit

[covert kestrel]

Have you tried not wielding a Sacred Weapon

[quaint mauve]

a lot of integration

the pulley problem wasn’t bad

it was the other ones

[zealous horizon]

coming back to rogue since DF - do we still only use SinisterS and never use Ambush outside of HO builds?

[quaint mauve]

ye

hi nessa

[mossy shell]

soooo how is everyone doing with the alpha notes

like, emotionally

[quaint mauve]

i don’t like

how it looks

personally

for any class

like so much being taken away, MISTWEAVER THO

i might play that if i don’t like outlaw

[cobalt mist]

im gonna try outlaw when it comes out and then probably switch to something else if its not fun

it doesnt seem like its gonna be fun

maybe ele? or finally just kick the bucket on dps and play rshammy

[quaint mauve]

qol on mistweaver seems amazing

you should look

[cobalt mist]

oh. maybe. i don't have a monk at level cap but it could be worth using the boost on

[frail veldt]

we have a channel for it

I'd say most people arent thrilled

Guy loves it though

[hoary wave]

hopeful

[cobalt mist]

saying this with the copium icon is art

[covert kestrel]

Blizzard could kick Guy in the nuts and he'd be "excited about the opportunity it brings"

[craggy quiver]

[daring oxide]

I like them a bit

There will be iterations surely

Not set in stone yet

But is a good baseline for everyone at least

KS is garbage though currently

So trickster dead

[torpid fiber]

60% damage nerf on an ability already often worth cancelling omegalul

I genuinely believe lok's conspiracy that they nerfed every 3min cd and KS was caught in that

[craggy quiver]

Is kir still 7 mins

[pure folio]

No, 6 minutes

[short fable]

hello gamers these are my stats baseline no buffs, is there anything i should fix

[smoky lotus]

723 weapon in mainhand, otherwise looks fine

[short fable]

i was wondering if it was worth it to trade my 704 ring for a 723 logic gate alpha

[smoky lotus]

you'd lose your haste, which you need at ~19%, so probably not

[short fable]

i see

[smoky lotus]

!haste

!stats

eh i dont know the command. lol

[short fable]

i just know it's like

19-20% to meet breakpoint

idk if I have too much vers or not

[smoky lotus]

nah, verse is king atm

[spare lake]

Isn’t disc belt replaceable pretty easily at that point ?

[short fable]

yea i've been meaning to replace it

idk wether to make it crit vers or vers haste though

[spare lake]

I’m at like 25 haste and I think it’s too much so vers and crit sounds like a good shout

[long barn]

Vers doesn’t fall off until like 47%. At least for me. Crit gets a little better around that point as long as your below 25% crit for my sims on M+

[spare lake]

Basically anything but mastery

Heck I’d take strength if I could lol

[long barn]

I’d have to check again but at 46% vers, 24% crit, 19.5% haste, mastery started to show equal dps improvement on sims. It was like 58 dps or something per stat including mastery. I think because of the true stat bullshit

[tribal grove]

How are you supposed to use keep it rolling?

On pul if you KIR and then roll does it guarantee 4 rolls or are you supposed to wait till you can roll again?

[gaunt phoenix]

you wait until you get 4 buffs and then press kir to extend their duration

using kir at the last 0.1 seconds of 3 buffs is also fine

and then you use roll the bones again after kir to possibly get a 5th or 6th buff and get supercharger

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[restive canopy]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[short fable]

even though this has mastery, is this still better than my current weapon

[worthy elm]

hmmm moving onto nexus king... how bad is outlaw here

[midnight granite]

Make sure you have AR for platforms 🙂

[smoky lotus]

probably not if your other 723 weapon has better stats

and you have an embelishment on your crafted one

[cinder relic]

Not true

[vapid sundial]

is true

3

[lime lake]

3

[short fable]

crafted one has focus lens, 723 dagger has crit vers on it

[smoky lotus]

oh is that a dagger, sorry I thought it was both 1handers

[short fable]

yea the one on the left is crafted sword, right is dagger

[smoky lotus]

I'd sim it, but yeah the fist might be better on mainhand just due to ilvl and its further upgradeable in turbo - and you'll just have to craft the embelishment somewhere else

[short fable]

i can prolly just jam the embellishment into a ring

since its just focus lens

[quaint mauve]

2 handed outlaw when

[keen belfry]

@daring oxide

[quaint mauve]

my dumbass warlock

[daring yoke]

guys

should i tell him im actually outlaw?

[vapid sundial]

slow mfs

[vapid sundial]

https://tenor.com/view/rlp-wow-first-time-ruby-life-pools-gif-12421336083863104124

[hollow creek]

Does anyone play HO in high Keys ?

[storm adder]

anyone know a good video to learn how to play this spec well

[jagged plover]

outlaw doesn't really have content creators

just read the faq and sit on a dummy for an hour

[vapid sundial]

if anyone did it would be me

but fuck that class

[turbid oasis]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[mighty pivot]

nessa

[frail jackal]

does heavy hitter benefit killing spree now that it generates cp

[sharp jackal]

Is it known, that Killing Blows are not using Blade Flurry spread? I can not see it in the bug list

[mighty pivot]

no

[mighty pivot]

yes this happened when they fixed BF attacks to not get wasted on corpses

[sharp jackal]

feels pain in open world stuff

[mighty pivot]

everything dies quickly there so it's not a huge issue. If they cannot fix BF properly this is the lesser of two evils

[icy cedar]

my latency is 40 ms but i keep getting this weird situation where all my abilities feel like they lag up idk what's going on

maybe it's a spell queue thing when im spamming my keys

but i swear sometimes i hit like KS and it seems like i lose a GCD but KS doesn't get cast

[lone spear]

if ur in dornogal that happens all the time

if it happens in instances could be instance lag (unlikely), could just be lag spikes that wont show on ping

[icy cedar]

i searched the chat logs, it seems to be the energy spell queue issue

[mighty pivot]

with KS it can also be that you were out of energy when you pressed it

[icy cedar]

yes

pressing it and spell queuing it when you're out of energy while spamming your buttons leads to it not going off when the GCD is available even if you have enough energy

or something

saw this being discussed a few weeks ago with the search option

how annoying

[agile quiver]

yeah, it's incredibly annoying if you're doing legacy stuff. initial blade flurry becomes your literal only aoe button

[tropic zephyr]

this makes me shiver with anger

[errant canopy]

❤️ ❤️

[still matrix]

Do you think Blizz will do any tuning before fkin pre-patch?

cmon man

[atomic garden]

I hope RtB gets removed completly

also...im sick of constant dmg

i want burst

big numbers

[wintry solar]

[old gull]

https://tenor.com/view/vete-gif-8796833455509460331

[civic void]

Maybe it's time to play UDK and use that Edwin Vancleef toy mog to have what you want

[vivid vessel]

Maybe play another spec like every other spec has burst

Wrong spec to be playing bud

[covert kestrel]

Like every other class in the game can do that besides this one.

Sorry beating a dead horse at this point

[wintry solar]

Guys I want the spec I play to be the exact opposite of what it has been for 22 years

[covert kestrel]

If only there were 32 other specs that had cooldown burst windows

[wintry solar]

If had that 33rd, I think we'd be just right

[atomic garden]

lol, u guys are that kind of "elitists" ? :))

it will change

bye bye low dmg and rng with high apm

walking slot machine

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-no-sign-of-gif-23370299

[old gull]

This same guy comes into PvP chat and complains about outlaw burst being high im pretty sure lol

[vapid sundial]

No?

WE just want our flat dmg profile that's decent and not bottom tier dmg.

We've had it before, a few seasons.

Outlaw isn't a burst spec and it doesn't fit the theme imo

Maybe don't come into a class discord and cry when people tell you that's not what they want

If you want a burst outlaw literally play enhance

Like

It's not that hard

(enhance is doodoo rn but when it's not)

Did outlaw have burst once?

It was last patch of lich king right?

With ks

But that was combat

Which sucked balls (to play) anyway

[tight kernel]

Dear Diary

Wah

[wintry solar]

I think you're right actually

[ancient socket]

This is why I love outlaw, love classes where there's always a button to press

[wintry solar]

This dude never drops adr

[vivid vessel]

you are cooked

and stupid

and im elitist i hate noobs

and casuals

i also hate casuals

[slate forge]

Elitist dudes not even 3900 io noob

[vivid vessel]

frfr

[vapid sundial]

noob

[vivid vessel]

wtff

thats crazy

[vapid sundial]

yeah

best player ever

legion remix m+ might be crazy

tbh

+40s n shit

[reef ruin]

!prepull

[rotund zodiac]

😭

[wintry solar]

I love gatekeeping

My favorite pass time

[vivid vessel]

same bro

fucking casuals ..

[wintry solar]

I see casuals and new players and just

[slate forge]

Fuck casuals fuck boomer .8 seconds is to slow .4 or riot

[old gull]

Everyone who does higher content than me are elitist everyone below me are casual noobs

[covert kestrel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[spare lake]

Yikes

Wasn’t me

Damn elitists

3rd week playing retail just hit 2500 io

[sour vault]

is this bragging or bitching I can't tell

[ocean lodge]

I've yet to find a new nameplate I really like.

So many of them are blocky and have shitty colors.

Anyone know some good ones? I don't like the ones the command had

[spare lake]

Humblebrag trolling brain rot Friday tizm

[covert kestrel]

chad scary flexing his alpha status on us poors

[ocean lodge]

how

what

[covert kestrel]

none of us know anything about alpha plates!

[ocean lodge]

I'M ON THE LIVE CHANNEL, FUCKING HELP ME

[covert kestrel]

were just poors begging for crumbs

oh this is live

lol

[ocean lodge]

I like mine but they're really, really bad for stacked mobs

which is fine until I play something like aff or assassination.

[covert kestrel]

yeah dot management is something i have not figured out

didnt really need it for feral, i just track rip on the plates everything else is easy in a wa

[ocean lodge]

the management's fine, the ability to target what I want in the cascade of visual shit is not

Alpha plates are horrid though, I've had plates appear on the right for a mob to my left lol

[covert kestrel]

need to get one of those FPS aim trainers to snipe the plate of the mob you want to target

[ocean lodge]

I just got a maya X so I got the mouse for it kekw

[covert kestrel]

in the uWu pink version??

[worldly shale]

They look ass too

Everything looks ass tbh

I mean ok not ass

But all of the addons/wa i got

Looks way better

Maybe bias idk

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[ocean lodge]

nah a white one

[ocean lodge]

I didn't bother customizing when I could be leveling

But yeah default isn't great.

[worldly shale]

Is there alot of customization?

[ocean lodge]

idfk the server bug happened before i could get back on last night

🙁

[gloomy lance]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[lucid sparrow]

where can i find raid talents for outlaw

[stiff glade]

#outlaw-faq

[timid portal]

!def

[strong halo]

Started playing mage again and the 4 piece is a mini lust with massive dmg increases. How the fuck did we become ok with just a double coup lmao

[honest sparrow]

double coup 4p is a extrem good 4p we where pretty high up in dmg gain trough our tset

[strong halo]

It’s just not a fun interaction

Especially when you see what other classes got

[blazing creek]

Anyone mess around with the new talent calculator? Seems pretty cool - although I’m not sure how possible it will be to play HO builds with so many talents competing now

[daring oxide]

lmao is this you

[honest sparrow]

Fun is subjectiv. For me its a pretty fun tset which also chances how i play around it depending on stacks if im in cds etc. The only unfun thing for me is the coup refund bug but thats it

[keen belfry]

Mhm

Ok what’s going on with my discord on pc

[red zinc]

moderator, 5 members

[keen belfry]

Should I reinstall

[torpid fiber]

Contemporary art

[keen belfry]

why does mage rework look so good too

they love mage

i loev mage

[ocean lodge]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/the-brawlers-guild-is-returning-in-patch-11-2-7-378730?utm_source=discord-webhook

based?

[sacred rune]

looks like a rendering problem, try to restart discord.
If you can't open up task manager and close the instances

[sacred rune]

has been a very long time since we had that

[keen belfry]

i resintalled and it worked, ty king

[worldly shale]

did u try unplugging and plugging and unplugging plugging

[keen belfry]

M

Mhm

[keen belfry]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[lyric blade]

Weakauras has officially dipped from Midnight so thats the last nail for me. Been a mostly fun 20 years fellow Combat/Outlaw mains, sub cancelled and no need for wow discords anymore 🫡

[worldly shale]

Boohoo

[copper radish]

They’ve promised it before. I’ll believe it when it’s live lol

[muted crest]

not a single tune in weeks what the fk blizzard doin

[keen belfry]

no one singing uop for my key

[frail veldt]

theyre busy deleting WAs and lobotomizing all specs and rotations

[worldly shale]

GUYS WHATS THIS

PATCH

PATCH

WHAT

preload

outlaw secret buff?

[wintry phoenix]

Yes, they buffed killing spree

[fickle relic]

Where can i read the patch notes?

The upcoming ones at least

[balmy plank]

what do i do guys? i'm casting to litle BTES

[spare lake]

Cast more BTE???

Pop vanish more hit buttons faster

[agile orchid]

surely class tuning tonight

[gaunt phoenix]

nah

they are BUSY

aint no one have time for retail

honestly, let them

next xpac needs all the time it can get

[agile orchid]

so what's your verdict on the new outlaw?

at least to me it doesn't look lobotomized like the rest of the classes

[gaunt phoenix]

Well I don't have alpha to play it

but in general i'm alright with it on paper

Yeah outlaw is going back to early dragonflight ish

[agile orchid]

I find it extremely weird they nuked Killing Spree

I think they're planning on making blade rush the main cooldown for trickster

[gaunt phoenix]

right now it seems like energy is nerfed too hard and sinister strike is possibly stronger than fan the hammer which is a bit weird

at least with stage 2 RTB

since stage 2 does not affect pistol shots

[agile orchid]

well that's fixable with tuning numbers

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[agile orchid]

I also think they're working on a new class tree

the current one barely changed

[gaunt phoenix]

I would like them to give adrenaline rush charges but i fear they won't

[agile orchid]

and the right side with vanish is completely useless

[gaunt phoenix]

If none of the specs use the stealth side of the tree then yeah prolly

[agile orchid]

I think only assa gains damage from stealth

with improved garrote

[lime lake]

Even that is insanely minimal

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah but they get that regardless of subterfuge or something

[agile orchid]

but there is no shot you are taking the increased subterfuge window

it's awful

sub only gets a guaranteed crit on shuriken storm when you vanish

[hasty warren]

I'm the only one feeling DAWN is kinda hard to time ?

[shy pecan]

Mostly depends on healer imo, time is quite chill until 17ish

[hasty warren]

idk it's my 3rd atempt in pugs in 15

[gaunt phoenix]

OUTLAW!!!!!!!

[agile orchid]

I thought it's that screenshot again where the outlaw rogue gets kicked

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[shy pecan]

I would never kick an outlaw

We fucked up bigtime in that key @hasty warren

[hasty warren]

idk this time healer was bad

6 deaths

playing healing rain with 2 ranges

[shy pecan]

y kind of, I didn't see who added the 2 curseblades on 3rd miniboss. Bcs I sit like a dog inside the door frame i realized it too late and he died to melee i think

I have max zoomed in top down view of myself there due to camera in the door, so I dont see anything

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1265638924580159488/outlaw.gif

[tired rune]

bliz hittin me with the social contract on login

[daring yoke]

O shit its confirmed they are not updating weakaura for midnight

[worldly shale]

We already had some people abandon ship

[daring yoke]

Blizz really need to step up with their cd manager 😭

[agile orchid]

with how things are going I think we're going to end up with most of the addons back

[potent yacht]

My entire account characters disappeared anyone else lol

[hearty edge]

yup, after pre-release update downloaded

defaulted my account to WoW1 and i can't pick war within as a game version

[fast nova]

Hey team, how is the Outlaw in season3?

[potent yacht]

Log out from game and login maually it worked.

[exotic gale]

its alright, ppl play it in high ranked content.

[dawn mesa]

anyone having issues with there account not showing up it dcd me in game and reverted me to main screen cant pick my account at all

it defaulted my account and i cant choose my account which is on US 2 that and US 1 not showing up as well

[covert kestrel]

yes servers are having issues

[worldly shale]

top 39 specs in the game currently

[sinful rapids]

this is what i have to do to get invite, thats how it is

[fast nova]

i will play assa 😄

[worldly shale]

Oh got u there, bugs!

[hasty warren]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[copper radish]

was that a good OUTLAW or u got booted after OUTLAW

[hasty warren]

we played it

but not timed 😭

[copper radish]

what level u do Dawn on?

[hasty warren]

15

[copper radish]

yeah i can see that lmao

dawn rough

[hasty warren]

i'm stuck on 15 since 4 weeks

[copper radish]

im just smashing 10s tryna get this vault filled for turbo

[worldly shale]

OMG CROSSOVER

EPISODE

AWOOOOEEE

[worldly shale]

same, barely

im too lazy to do all 8 tbh

idk

game doesnt feel great

[copper radish]

it feels good when u top the overall with randos tho

i got 2 to go lmao

[hardy thicket]

bro this fucking resil system is making me NOT wanna play keys

so much degen

[copper radish]

++10 Dawn. outlaw does decent lol

id def get smoked in higher keys tho so ima stick to my 10s

[delicate seal]

whats your ilevel

[copper radish]

715

pretty much got bis items they just not all mythic track yet... hero level antenna/sigil is nice to have

[hasty warren]

spiderman meme

[worldly shale]

yes (718 outlaw vs 705 randoms)

[delicate seal]

you should try it as a godmode class: (also dawn)

[copper radish]

oh dont worry i got a 715 BM and DH too lol

[delicate seal]

the fact its so effortless on these other classes makes me angry

[copper radish]

BM is nasty asf in keys lol

[delicate seal]

but it is what it is

yea, i have a bm too

[worldly shale]

literally

like i also have a decent dk

bro

its so ez

[delicate seal]

you can snooze at range with 3 buttons and it makes me really wonder what blizz is smoking

when they buffed bm

[copper radish]

yeah these guys in mine were like 710 lolol

[delicate seal]

and havent touched outlaw

[copper radish]

still missing those damn hero level boots RIP

lost them to a boomy this week 🙁

[copper radish]

i did more than a 715 frost DK in a 10 key the other day..... the healer was straight up to the DK like "bro what is wrong with u? like seriously?"

[worldly sinew]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExNG42MzR2bmFwbTQ5cTcxODY1bHI2emVoOXVlMnkzeHM3a3c0a28yNyZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/wnqLpwV7HbuMdS6Fxd/giphy.gif

Hot new gif dropped. 😂

[delicate seal]

hunter is a diff story, at 708, other dps 716ish, floodgate

[copper radish]

idt ive done less than 10mil overall on my BM in a key lol

like u have to try to do less than that

[delicate seal]

if you let your cat afk on your computer with one button on every key you can maybe manage 9m

[worldly shale]

Ill do some 10s now

I default to ecodome

Fastest right?

[copper radish]

eco dome is great on outlaw and fast

first pull feels good there w a lust

[delicate seal]

gambit and eco feel fast

[worldly shale]

Uuuuugh im almost never topping evo

That pull*

think i was below a prot pala

Although it was a higher key

We were all similar ilvl

Ill see now

[copper radish]

thats why u do 10s and just demolish it and pretend like outlaw isnt getting gapped by everything else

[worldly shale]

OK OUTLAW BROKEN

first pack xd

[copper radish]

yeah booooiiiiiiii

them 10s feelin good as outlaw lol

frost dk WHO

[worldly shale]

hes 696 to be fair

but yes

FROST DK WHO

[copper radish]

see thata the part u dont tell lol

[fluid meadow]

what happened? where are my characters and my wow1 login thing?

[gaunt phoenix]

Ur banned

(idk)

[cedar adder]

bugged restarting bnet client fixed it for me

[copper radish]

try logging in manually from launching the wow exe

[fluid meadow]

yeah fixed, blizzard just wants me to buy tww again, but they realized i have it so after restart it works. tyty

[ocean lodge]

Yeah the bnet app borked tf out a few hours ago

[worldly shale]

FROST DK WHO

[copper radish]

feels good

[worldly shale]

fuck them emo boys

[copper radish]

arcane WHO

[worldly shale]

o holy shit

hes actually 715

didnt even see

[copper radish]

sheesh

[worldly shale]

ARCANE WHO

[crystal hatch]

hello everyone,came back after long break

my question is,how is outlaw performing m+ and raidwise

compared to other specs

[worldly shale]

top 40 spec in the game

[copper radish]

and its not 40 so we doing good right

[worldly shale]

ye

its like

38 ?

[copper radish]

sheesh S tier

[worldly shale]

just flip the chart

tf

[crystal hatch]

that bad uhm?

[worldly shale]

yes.

that bad

[hushed quest]

Anyone else looking forward to being a 4 button and 3 skills per minute spec?

[worldly shale]

My arthritis in progress will thank me

[strong halo]

Someone tell me my opinion are we pro no weak auras?

Well I guess it depends if blizzard fucks us over again

[proven ocean]

We will get WAs, its just wa devs dooming to prevent further inaccessibility most probably

They aren’t working on alpha tho but thats irrelevant

Nothign works on alpha anyways

[pastel sierra]

What dungeon was that

Cause that dk gotta be like forgetting CDs every 2nd pack

[copper radish]

He was in a 10 eco and it was a 696 dk but no one needs to know lolol

[zenith finch]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[scarlet drum]

So what's the point of the 80% reduced duration and 80% reduced cooldown for Blind in Midnight?

It's still 15 yard range right? So I can maybe disrupt one additional cast for 1.5 more seconds on a single target?

What was wrong with the aoe blind?

[torpid fiber]

it's aoe baseline now

Dw i also missed that change

the 80% reduced cd talent is absurdly strong

[ancient socket]

You can take a talent that things hit by blind reduce damage and healing by 30%

[wintry solar]

@mighty pivot I changed my outlaw playlist on Spotify from sea shanties and pirate metal to dark country and stoner rock

This town ain't big 'nuff fer the tew of us...

[vapid sundial]

are these two even human

surely they are playing with blizzards rotation

[haughty wigeon]

[loud hazel]

hey gAys

are we back on Midnighit?

🔫

they reworked everything of outlaw, but literally everything

and KS is still bs

[fallow sonnet]

how do i find the uhhh

pre m+ thingy

about supercharger

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[wintry solar]

Dang, SC loses a lot of value in midnight

Being tied to adr and cdr for adr being a lot less.

Ripperonies

[gaunt phoenix]

idk it's just numbers

maybe the cps could be higher

[wintry solar]

I doubt it's dead but it's nice having it often when it's on rtb

I'm also biased and love rolling bones

[stuck sparrow]

Idk

another expansion of sin being the favorite child

[wintry solar]

My pirate got promoted to cowboy so I'm happy

[stuck sparrow]

sub probably dead

[wintry solar]

I need a cowboy hat that doesn't look stupid

[stuck sparrow]

i liked the pirate theme

[wintry solar]

I did too

But alas

I actually prefer the pirate theme because now my favorite dreadblade skin looks out of place.

My mog has to match the spec I play

[stuck sparrow]

the rapier?

we know its the best skin

[stuck sparrow]

thats the default

[wintry solar]

Crap yeah not those

Hold on

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah im not big on that one

also hot take: thunderfury hidden was a pander

it thematically doesnt fit a pirate

[wintry solar]

Yeah

They probably wanted something for people who didn't like the pirate stuff

Or wanted an excuse to remake thunderfury

[stuck sparrow]

yeah i see no issue with the pirate theme

[wintry solar]

Had a lot of character

Super unique

[stuck sparrow]

yeah combat was generic

[vapid sundial]

anyone who liked combat

likes dry bread

tbh

[wintry solar]

Stale crackers

[lone spear]

playing classic rn, i feel 0 spec fantasy