outlaw

[ocean lodge]

I mean they just murdered crackshot so they had to throw us a bone somehow

[red zinc]

Blade flurry doing big damage on 8 targets but still dealing 10% on all surrounding targets is perfectly possible

just wait

[copper radish]

Is subterfuge still on class tree

[red zinc]

dont draw doomclusions

[proven ocean]

ppl cant read

xd

[vale warren]

Yeah

[proven ocean]

10% is alot already

like

[cedar kernel]

i would wait until solo release the faq

[proven ocean]

10% is maybe even stronger

[cedar kernel]

[proven ocean]

than softcapped

classes

lol

"maybe"

im not sure

[red zinc]

I mean it could just be the exact same as current grand melee and only apply on blade flurry damage

[proven ocean]

i have no idea

but

might be rly good

for once

[red zinc]

blizzard wording is vague as hell

[cinder relic]

Imagine doubting the outlaw rework btw

[ocean lodge]

With luck my alpha invite arrives tomorrow and I'll lab it for you gentlemen

[cinder relic]

God you are so stupid if you doubted

[grave carbon]

bcs its not clear what it does

[daring oxide]

this seems quite good right? for downtime

[vivid vessel]

• They removed stealth interaction
• ace reset bte cd and they have a capstone to lower bte cd a bit (so it's uncoupled from stealth, you just proc ace chains whenever)
• they have new talent that seems to increase rtb potency but we don't know much
• more AOE talents that are actually aoe
• fth give +1 cp and can hold 1 more charge compared to live
• SC is on ADR
• kir still here but without CTO?
• ho still here same shit
• we take vigor so energy is better

[vale warren]

I'm still doubting this shit looks like ass

[gaunt phoenix]

Go to #midnight-outlaw .

[cinder relic]

You have no idea how good or bad the changes are what are u talking about

Uve read text in a talent tree tf do u mean

[copper radish]

FTH back to the previous version it was in the first few weeks of DF season 1?

[jagged plover]

we also dont have apex talents

which are gonna be giga

surely

[cinder relic]

That's huge too @keen belfry

[daring oxide]

ah nice thats good to know

[cinder relic]

Well not baseline

[daring oxide]

Haste interactions still here?

[soft shard]

what does roll over 2 buffs regardless of loaded dice, does that mean pressing rtb after we get the guaranteed 2 roll with loaded dice?

[cinder relic]

But more talent points mean we always go vigor

[cinder relic]

Talent trees would not give us information about this

[red zinc]

wonder if they have alpha spell data or if thats something we have to wait for

cause just talent trees aint all the info ofc

[split grove]

Maybe not with new coldblood ?

[cinder relic]

And considering they just made a shadow dance talent make the cdr scale with haste my money is on no

[copper radish]

Do yall realize crackshot is baked into Ace? It just doesn’t dispatch anymore

[keen belfry]

vigor baseline?

[inland acorn]

it means you rtb, if you have 2 buffs, even if you don't have loaded dice

[cinder relic]

Not baseline mispoke

[keen belfry]

oh yeah yo mean

[cinder relic]

But more talents points for the class tree

[keen belfry]

we are going down left side now

[cinder relic]

Yaya

More points to spend

[red zinc]

Wait what

[keen belfry]

since we arent doing stealth

[cinder relic]

Sub rogue got a talent that makes dance cdr scale with haste

[red zinc]

I thought sub talents werent on the page

Wtf

[vivid vessel]

Why didn't you get alpha you noob

[red zinc]

holup

[cinder relic]

They are

[cinder relic]

I probably did I'm at work

[vivid vessel]

Fuck you

[vale warren]

Say you're sick and go home

[cinder relic]

Bitch I might

[magic shuttle]

I wonder what the apex talents is gonna be

[keen belfry]

is this not a super good step in the right direction

for anything downtime related

[ocean lodge]

I lowkey hope fatebound just gets 100% remade

[magic shuttle]

But I'm liking the initial view on the tree

[cinder relic]

It's also bad luck protection

[frail veldt]

Wait whaaaaat

[cinder relic]

For non ho aud builds right

5 ss in a row

[frail veldt]

I'm out of the loop

Did blizz drop details

[ocean lodge]

crackshot dead

[cinder relic]

I misspoke

It's not baseline

[ocean lodge]

I was right nerd

[vivid vessel]

Idk it seems turbo shit to me

[keen belfry]

how often on live are you noit pressing a spender over 5 seconds

[keen belfry]

maybe it is

but it seems like a goods tep

[cinder relic]

When you SS 5 times in a row with no proc

[keen belfry]

step

[cinder relic]

[wintry solar]

Outlaw will be that

oh wait we dont need vanish anymore

[cinder relic]

Uhuh is gone too right?

[vivid vessel]

200% cdr for 5 s does nothing unless I'm stupid

[cinder relic]

So less ar time?

[restive obsidian]

I look forward to spamming my sinister strike , into sinister strike ,into sinister strike

[vivid vessel]

Like you get 20s off your CDs or what

It's nothing no

[wintry solar]

yes

[stiff vector]

ye I mean I think that talent is prob gonna just need to be tuned

[thorny zinc]

but with the way thats worded wouldnt you want to just still wait 5 seconds instead of spending a combo point or am I stupid

[hybrid crown]

What if you do a double coup with the big cdr

[vivid vessel]

No lol

It's turbo useless

[hybrid crown]

Oh just one coup ig

[ocean lodge]

well double coup in prepatch

_>

[hybrid crown]

That's not much

[stiff vector]

needs to be much stronger to combat how bad downtime is for outlaw vs how good it is for CD specs

[red zinc]

doubt the 200% thing works on the finishers

that aint the point of the talent

[ocean lodge]

If we even have coup

[restive obsidian]

Vanish for dps is dead though

[ocean lodge]

can we hold a funeral for crackshot

[keen belfry]

these numbers can change to be good, and who knows maybe its already good and helpful for bad rng

[ocean lodge]

without crackshot it sounds useless

[vivid vessel]

Idk it feels like it's something for raid right

[severe drift]

Just arrived, did I miss anything about Outlaw in Q&A thing ?

[restive obsidian]

That deadly pursuit talent is just a confusing piece of ass

[keen belfry]

which is good

[vivid vessel]

Especially since the opposite side is full AOE side

[ocean lodge]

crackshot deadge

[vivid vessel]

But it looks shit

[proven ocean]

ye its nothing unless we get a shorter cd on KS or KS removed or someshit

[wintry solar]

it sounds explicitly for raid tbh

[vivid vessel]

Like think about dimmy

[keen belfry]

could be shit right now, could be changed, could be good rn

[proven ocean]

KS cd is too long for that talent to matter

ngl

[vivid vessel]

You go fly and your CDs get reduced by 20s

[proven ocean]

as long as they force KS

[vivid vessel]

Like o

K?

[severe drift]

yo wtf

[wintry solar]

youre gonna want to reroll after these changes ngl

[vivid vessel]

No but the concept is shit tho

[gaunt phoenix]

Ace resets bte cooldown so Ace spamming can just happen whenever

[wintry solar]

if you liked uhuh and that other stuff

[keen belfry]

this also, what do you guys think this means for RTB? is there something in apex that makes us have guaranteed roll levels? (idk spending 20 combo points makes your next RTB grant 2 buffs guaranteed idk)

[vivid vessel]

No it doesn't change shit kekw

You just don't vanish anymore

[covert kestrel]

that sounds super swingy rng no?

[frail veldt]

are yall just looking at the trees?

[vivid vessel]

Im wondering which spec the subterfuge talents are for tho

[ocean lodge]

I don't really know what's happening to rtb but I'm pretty sure we're losing all the buffs for something else that scales.

[vivid vessel]

No, it's 10% per cp

70%

Wait what

70%

[copper radish]

Yee

[wintry solar]

oh true. cant believe I missed that. Love that change.

[keen belfry]

and also, is this not just better SS? this isnt in the tree atm right?

[vivid vessel]

70%

Solo

[frail veldt]

LOL

[severe drift]

fml

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

[frail veldt]

they increased ADR energy regen?

wtf

[covert kestrel]

are we just perma crackshot now

[frail veldt]

that seems...wrong

[copper radish]

Ambush gonna be popping off

[proven ocean]

ofcourse someone asks a druid question without watching the livestream 1 month ago

[stiff vector]

wth enhance getting a crit scaling talent...wheres our crit scaling talent

[copper radish]

Crackshots without dispatch lol

[vivid vessel]

Idk that seems not balanced at all

[proven ocean]

if there was a class where ppl dont read things

[restive obsidian]

Its just back to dragondlight season 1 levels

[proven ocean]

its druid

no cappy

[vivid vessel]

70% of proccing ace at 7 cp

[keen belfry]

jackpot new RTB buff?????

[copper radish]

Sounds like it’ll replace grand melee

[covert kestrel]

4 buff rtb eh

[vivid vessel]

Ye cause gm is gone

[red zinc]

zac

look other channel

[cinder relic]

Until we get spell data we have no idea how new rtb works

It seems like it's a level system of some kind

[wintry solar]

like winning streak kinda?

[keen belfry]

70% ACE SOUNDS SO SICK

[dense bolt]

we are in the cool channel talking bozo

come over

[cinder relic]

My guess is it's a perma buff (like snd) that can be level 1 2 or 3

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel this seems like a crazy HO buff btw

[copper radish]

Sounds like we are down to 4 RTBs buffs boys

[proven ocean]

ambush greater % is HO

zac

ur most hated talent

XD

[keen belfry]

SO YOU JUST WANT TO GET BTE OFF CD ASAP THEN PRAY FOR BTE SPAMMING?!?!? THATS SICKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKK

[copper radish]

HO fatebound KIR Inc

[ocean lodge]

HO kir

[proven ocean]

nah like genuinely fk the base tree

its fine

like

the only microwaved thing is hero talents

needs new rework no cappy

[keen belfry]

zeross

[copper radish]

Is heavy hitter gone

[keen belfry]

70% acechance

[dense bridge]

crackshot, upperhanded under hand gone

[copper radish]

Would that be higher on a supercharged finisher

[raw ocean]

reverse funnel inc

[copper radish]

They NEED to add grand melee replicating BF to your main target. PLEASE GOD

[keen belfry]

90

[frail veldt]

In the Q and A Ion said WAs cant track buffs anymore?

someone told me this

anyone confirm?

[copper radish]

Time to use blizz CD tracker

[carmine ferry]

These new trees don't include the apex talents, right?

Or are our apex talents just our regular capstones?

[cinder relic]

No apex yet

Likely aren't finished

[red zinc]

there are

guy

[cinder relic]

Wait what

[red zinc]

got leaked on korean forums

chekc other channel

[covert kestrel]

we have them in other channel

[red zinc]

tornado trigger is back

[cinder relic]

Oh fuck that

[dense bridge]

not all specs have their apex talent things

[cinder relic]

Not reading leaks

[jagged plover]

if u were in the correct channel u would know

[wintry solar]

what other channel?

[jagged plover]

#midnight-outlaw

[wintry solar]

you keep saying other channel

[covert kestrel]

morally supreme guy strikes again

[wintry solar]

ohhh ok

[red zinc]

unc cant handle the overwhelming aura of tornado trigger

[frail veldt]

BF confirmed still capped?

rippppppppppp

[copper radish]

Looks like it 😭

[copper radish]

Not reading them cause they gonna change 10 times before they go live. Not getting my hopes up for some shit that’s gonna change lol

[craggy barn]

we getting another rtb buff rename

lol

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel max can login in 5 mins

lock in bozo

[earnest vapor]

second portal unlocked on outlaw

[indigo token]

LOCK IN

we're gonna get nothing

vai is in the electric chair rn

[wicked jacinth]

I've got a slight issue i cant figure out. My single target is very much laugable on M+ and I can't rly figured why. Even went as far (dont laugh at me please) as giving hekili one shot for sake of rotational screwups but its still insanely bad.

just wanted to confirm, its not stat issue, its purely skill issue?
im doing like 2.5-3.3m on pure ST bosses

[inland acorn]

combat addons disabled in end-game content in midnight

[copper radish]

Bro what

So like bigwigs

[inland acorn]

idk, it's a little vague wording

https://www.wowhead.com/news/combat-addons-disabled-in-end-game-content-in-midnight-378679

[keen belfry]

lol the blizzard host guy just said Simple Jack

[stiff vector]

VALORSTONES GONE

[cedar kernel]

i am wondering does blizz change the basic rolls in midnight?

how does the upgrade in rolls work

[jolly geyser]

#midnight-outlaw

[cedar kernel]

ty ram

[jolly geyser]

np

[proven ocean]

https://www.twitch.tv/preheat @vivid vessel midnight gameplay

[stiff vector]

hmmmm Survival has some pretty cool/interesting changes

theyre getting some gun stuff too

[eternal reef]

Darn, time to reroll again kek

[proven ocean]

yo

wtf

new nameplates are legit ccrazy good

LOOOOOOOOOOOOL

gg blizzard

good one

!

no cappy cip cop cuh sheeeeesh

[copper radish]

I’m curious what this no combat addons means

Like no bigwigs so am I actually gonna have to use my eyes lol

[restive obsidian]

Raid timers built into the UI now.

[stiff vector]

ok just reading devourers talents and their new talent tree, they already sound OP af lmao

sounds like theyre going to be in meta form quite often and have tons and tons of modifiers on stuff and stat gains+have stronger crit talent like ele shaman has

[cinder relic]

LMFAOOO

[buoyant cosmos]

you've got way too much haste and mastery. Your vers should be around 32/33% at that ilevel. Our ST is abysmal as trickster though.

[wicked jacinth]

as abysmal do you mean this much abysmal?

Well then I have still shit load of gear to swap sicne i swapped from sub to outlaw

but i feel like it was a mistake based on my results so far ;d

[gaunt phoenix]

just sim your single target

in aoe talents

it is kind of shit

[wicked jacinth]

fair enough

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw is well implemented in simc

[buoyant cosmos]

We have the best simc chefs in the business

[slate forge]

Too good some would even say never getting a dark ranger bm moment

[hollow creek]

!opener

[stiff glade]

Murder

MURDER

M U R R R D E R

[tranquil ravine]

Crackshot bb

[tired rune]

Fuckin murderurrru bois

[rapid spoke]

very worried about changes

[quaint delta]

crackshot o7

[kind otter]

you will be missed crackshot

[gaunt phoenix]

I mean crackshot is active permanently

Ace just resets cd

[inner stump]

we lost UUH? or am I missing something

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes

[inner stump]

sadge

but they removed vanish from the rotation completely now

[kind otter]

oh lol thats insane I need to read more lemme stop typing shit

[inner stump]

yeah the new ace reset is a lot stronger

I'm assuming this is suppossed to be 5%/10%?

so 10% for each combo point, using bte with 7 cps, 70% chance of reset

[gaunt phoenix]

the patch notes imply it is 2/4 cps and the chance is the same

[lusty sparrow]

is this just combat rogue 2

[inner stump]

yeah, 70% seems too much

[lusty sparrow]

feels like that

[hybrid pecan]

Outlaw straight up deleted, completely different spec now, no?

[gaunt phoenix]

More similar to bfa/shadowlands

[rapid spoke]

still capped tho

[lusty sparrow]

restless blades still exists right

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[lusty sparrow]

ok its not so bad if I think of it that way

[red zinc]

65% bf when playing fatebound

[inner stump]

losing UUH is the main issue for me, having constant ADR was nice

[lusty sparrow]

But getting unlucky with it meant jumping off a bridge ingame

[inner stump]

gotta see how it plays out in beta, maybe they lowered ADR cd, dunno

supercharger is attached to it now as well

[lusty sparrow]

Im down to try it for sure

[inner stump]

not RtB

[lusty sparrow]

it seems fine

[inner stump]

as long as I'm constantly with .8 gcd I'm good

[restive obsidian]

you don't get .8 gcd all the time anymore

I am sad they buffed killing spree made it a real button, new animation, and then just gut it

[lusty sparrow]

Take 'Em by Surprise still being a talent seems so weird

[naive river]

Outlaw no longer uses Vanish offensively, and Adrenaline Rush has a consistent duration but provides a bigger boost while active

is what it says in the notes

[lusty sparrow]

Is it meant to be a key only thing

[naive river]

so i would assume they want adr to feel like a cd now

i feel like they yoinked so much stuff out

ghostly strikes gone also

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

rogue in m+ about to not be so fucking dogshit anymore

[naive river]

whats funny is all the other classes that were at 3 went to 5 rogue went to 6

[vivid vessel]

It's for everyone I think

[naive river]

idk if its a typo or rogue was special and got 1 extra sec

[rapid spoke]

I don't believe they will fix this "mob casts again after interrupt" bullshit

web bolt web bolt web bolt and so on

[unkempt dew]

Blade rush is not capped at 8 targets?

That is the yellow skill thing right?

That launched you forward?

[rapid spoke]

above 8 reduced damage

but

blade flurry still is so what

[unkempt dew]

That is something tho

[rapid spoke]

like wet fart to the face

[desert hinge]

outlaw eating well in midnight ?

[naive river]

i mean i liked vanish offensively

[unkempt dew]

Well maybe if it hits really hard

[gaunt phoenix]

Take 'em is still a talent so not sure what the plan is there

[naive river]

see rogue is the only one moved to 6 others are all 5

[unkempt dew]

Blade Rush damage increased by 200% and its damage dealt is now reduced above 8 targets.

200% damage increase

[naive river]

cd was also increased

[rapid spoke]

compare it to what dh's have for example

laughable at best

[unkempt dew]

60 sec

Was DH also capped at 8?

[naive river]

it looks like they are trying to just dumb down the specs so maybe people play rogue

[rapid spoke]

nah dh don't know what a cap is

[midnight granite]

Is outlaw dead

[gaunt phoenix]

No

[midnight granite]

Reading notes seems like adr uptime is in the bin

[naive river]

they took crackshot out back and put it down and im sad

[gaunt phoenix]

That's how Outlaw was for 4 years

[midnight granite]

Yeah

[rapid spoke]

it was never truly alive

[midnight granite]

But we had other shit.

[naive river]

the spec feels like doo doo with no adr

so if its uptime is shit

even if they make number big will feel bad

[midnight granite]

Too early to tell most likely

Seems like a huge rework tho

[proven ocean]

its not a typo lmao

rogue is one of the worst util classes in M+

[midnight granite]

No aoe blind

Gg

[proven ocean]

when it used to be the absolute best 3-4 expansions ago

[midnight granite]

Back to playing gouge

Kek

[naive river]

what aoe blind was still there i thought

[midnight granite]

Nope

[rapid spoke]

we need an actual class dev for shit to change

[midnight granite]

The talent now reduces cd on blind but one target

[naive river]

oh yea i see that huh. so we have no aoe stop now

[unkempt dew]

Idc im kinda hyped for the changes

[naive river]

for temu outlaw?

[unkempt dew]

Why?

[radiant bane]

Literally just joined this server for this reason lmao

So it's working

[stiff vector]

I thought us getting a "rework" was supposed to mean we were receiving greater attention but uh...seems a lot like almost every class has received the same level or more changes than rogue

[olive parcel]

outlaw tree looks gutted

No more utility, and weird new talents

the fuck is deadly pursuit even?

[stiff vector]

"Adrenaline Rush duration reduced to 15 seconds (was 20 seconds) and it increases Energy regeneration by 75% (was 50%). It can still reduce the global cooldown to as little as 0.8 seconds." The "can" is a bit worrying here...makes it sound like the haste tax is still a thing

[wintry solar]

an adr pause when you stop attacking

[stiff vector]

Also only being able to have one RTB buff at a time sounds so whack

[wintry solar]

what uhuh shouldve been day 1

[errant canopy]

Omg I wish I could check out the changed but I’m at work

Whats the general consensus??

[civic bay]

Remove free slice and dice while we are in there tbh

I wanna go back to pressing it

[restive obsidian]

supercharger seems dead no?

[olive parcel]

UHUH gone is like half the rotation, feels weird

[daring oxide]

guys, did Main Gauche get removed? All Main Gauche talents are gone

whats happened to our mastery?

[wintry solar]

its probably been reworked

[daring oxide]

nothing in the notes about it?

[olive parcel]

Hopefully mastery will be reworked, worst one in game

[wintry solar]

oh yeha no notes

[stiff vector]

glad theyre fixing some of subs issues with stat scaling but umm...WHERE TF IS OUTLAWS VERISON OF THIS? Not only is there basically 0 mention of our mastery in the new tree but theres basicallly nothing that would even increase the value of haste/mastery/crit either

[kindred mango]

Looks like controller support is being done for most classes and outlaw big time

[wintry solar]

they prolly accepted outlaw having a bad mastery

its lowkey the same but no vanish in the rotation

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix did you notice main gauche is gone

[restive obsidian]

they even nerfed the mastery by taking away 5% talent

[stiff vector]

also Deepening Shadows has been redesigned – Haste reduces the cooldown of Shadow Dance....so haste is kinda fucking goat'd for sub now?

[lofty pike]

CRACKSHOT IS GONE, VANISH IS GONE, i'm so happy T_T

[wintry solar]

crackshot baked into Ace

just no vanish requirement

[radiant bane]

This is a good thing

You don't want these changes

[patent mirage]

are we pog now

[eager rose]

Now we have a Burst dmg in AR

Ooooooooo

[lofty latch]

My 2 cents all the announced changes are good so far. Adr seems to be changing to feel like a cd. No vanish. Rtb being consistent (1st buff always ss chance is nice)

Mastery being reworked still prob but we'll see what they cook up

[stiff vector]

New Talent: Foul Mouth – Casting Curse of Exhaustion, Tongues, or Weakness now curses all enemies within 10 yards of the target ngl this is kind of goatd for warlock utility in keys. Even warrior getting some nice new utility...now where is our new utility?

[lofty pike]

we got shroud ^^

[stiff vector]

shroud is almost useless these days

[smoky umbra]

Will we no longer need to track our rolls?

[eager rose]

Cap removed?

Cap removed in Blade flurry?

[candid abyss]

would be the 1 saving grace

[wintry solar]

BR has been uncapped forever

[wintry solar]

still 8 targets

whata great day

[gaunt phoenix]

KIR still exists, so you will probably want to know which stage you have rolled

i assume you will not KIR at stage 1

[spare lake]

Wait can someone link the notes

Is this live as of tmrw

[gaunt phoenix]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-alpha-development-notes-378688?utm_source=discord-webhook

[outer void]

four sided dice 🙂

[ember mantle]

wait are yall hyped about the changes?
i fully thought the rtb rework + no more weakauras would have outlaw players in complete shambles

[scarlet drum]

I'm a bit confused by the roll the bones changes. So you ramp into multiple buffs, but you can only have one roll the bones active a time? I'm not sure I get it.

[lofty latch]

Basically 4 levels to it, level 3 will have level 1 and level 2 buffs for example

[spare lake]

So does anything change tmrw?

@daring oxide

[scarlet drum]

I think that makes sense, then what does the "You may now only have one Roll the Bones bonus active at a time." mean?

[spare lake]

??? Am I in shambles

[ember mantle]

i guess maybe not?

[lofty latch]

I think the wording is off I think they just mean there's 1 buff aura

Not 6

[latent oak]

this is the biggest cocktease of all time or what

[scarlet drum]

Oh okay, I think that would make sense then.

[normal aurora]

reading through these notes and seeing "in Midnight, we intend for Outlaw to be a very approachable rogue spec" is concerning me.. I hope it doesn't get too approachable

[eager rose]

Miss melee 8yrd

[plain mango]

Its great to have approachable, tons of people like ret for this

[latent oak]

its good for mass appeal

but normally u lose depth for it

which other ppl like

[ember mantle]

the approachable thing is good generally
but how do the actual long time outlaw players feel

[eager rose]

Great day to be a pirate

https://tenor.com/view/pirate-catjam-cat-pirate-catjam-pirate-cat-gif-21905878

[wintry solar]

@cinder relic how do you feel about Outlaw not using vanish?

[lofty latch]

The bte stackable buff and dispatch windows look like there's still some depth there for planning a "go"

[cinder relic]

Indifferent

[ember mantle]

like you can make a spec more approachable without it feeling worse for returning players (slice and dice being passive for example)

[wintry solar]

It's a rogue spec. No strong feelings?

[candid abyss]

need to play it, reads like its a lot slower and more cyclical

[lethal oak]

Zac is swapping to DH everyone panic

[wintry solar]

Slower doesn't really mean Slow tbh

[cinder relic]

Not really tbqh

[wintry solar]

Interesting

I thought you would

[cinder relic]

I've always been fine with rogue being about vanish, but people didn't like it, so they are changing it for a bit

[candid abyss]

true could still be fast relative to others

[ember mantle]

it still says adr can still reduce gcd to 0.8
so it might just be giga fast but not 100% of the time
which is probably fine?

[cinder relic]

I am very indifferent to any changes specs get, most of the time, because I'm open to shit being different

[dapper fulcrum]

vanish im okay with, but shadowdance really fucked up my bars.

[cinder relic]

I mean look at uhuh and crackshot, I don't like those talents at this point, but when it came out I said "cool it's something different"

[wintry solar]

I really wasn't expecting this level of deviation and then them explicitly saying Outlaw isn't using vanish offensively anymore.

And then removing it from restless

Who seen that coming?

[naive river]

i loved crackshot

[wintry solar]

It's tied to Ace now

[bright crane]

U all complained here about vanish being part of the rotation

[naive river]

kinda is not really though

[bright crane]

Maybe they…..listened??

[lethal oak]

I'm fine I just want my energy regen back

[wintry solar]

Sure but to this level? That's crazy tbh

I'm not opposed to it

Its new

But it's so unexpected

[gaunt blade]

I'm a little concerned but we'll see how it goes. I hope I get to keep pushing many buttons.

[wintry solar]

We'll probably take BR again for moments we don't have adr

[young prism]

I'm wondering if we are getting anything before midngiht 😄

[naive river]

if they don't lower the cd of adr the spec is just going to feel bad to play even if they make it do big numbers on everything else

[wintry solar]

I don't think so

[naive river]

imagine 15sec then you play like when you fucked up and lost adr

[scarlet drum]

So AoE Blind is gone?

[naive river]

yep

[wintry solar]

It's built in

[lethal oak]

that was nerfed too

[wintry solar]

Yeah but we don't know if it's good or not until we try it

With our new energy economy

[naive river]

i can imagine playing without adr rush

sounds awful

[magic shuttle]

Aoe blind baseline in pvp

[lethal oak]

They want us pooling for burst

confirmed

[naive river]

sounds awful

[scarlet drum]

I'll be honest, reading through some of the changes to the amount of energy and what not, all the numbers seem to be going down. Are we in for energy starvation more than ever?

[wintry solar]

We'll have access to vigor

[lethal oak]

This is why we play daggers now as outlaw

[wintry solar]

So many things give you energy now

Also, energy management is what makes a good outlaw

Uhuh spoiled yall

[wintry solar]

If surv can use daggers, it's possible

[scarlet drum]

The one that lets you continue adrenaline rush in stealth?

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw will be gcd capped

It has never not been

we get vigor, like a 70% opp chance, and energy on opp

i would not think about energy at all

even if it is bad, what are they doing to do, release outlaw without energy and it does nothing? lol

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/unlimited-power-star-wars-gif-10270127

I mean

Yeah

Anything is possible in the year of our lord 2026

[burnt dragon]

anyone make a video outlining our changes overall yet?

[covert kestrel]

that would require video makers to play our spec

[burnt dragon]

true true true'

[summer idol]

any rogue streamers on alpha rn?

[verbal ether]

how much of a dmg increase is using offhand dagger over a for example sword ?

[vivid vessel]

0 basically

[mossy shell]

reading these changes make me want to unsub, my god

[verbal ether]

so probably like 1 % xD

[mossy shell]

could it possibly be worse

[vivid vessel]

no

like 0.2 lol

[verbal ether]

oh

gotcha

[vivid vessel]

double swords looks better

so i play double swords

[glass mortar]

Wow

This is

[verbal ether]

was wondering because of Survival being able to use Daggers and swords aswell then XD

[glass mortar]

Very disappointing

There's some good stuff in there at least

Quite abit

They took our fatebound lucky coin recook

[long barn]

This is the end of outlaw as we know it

Guess we will all just be BM hunters

[compact smelt]

do you like the idea of the changes or not really

i imagine reduced complexity might be disappointing for you or nah

[sage island]

Am I overreacting or do these changes seem to really gut what I love of the spec

[glass mortar]

If u really like current outlaw this looks like it's going to be extremely different so

Idk if I'd say overreacting

Can't really tell how fun this new stuff will be till we can playtest it of course

No crackshot tho

Maybe I finally escape wows orbit

Wher alpha

[heavy shadow]

Is antenae basically shit for us now

I have hc sigil and mythix sac and this is simming better for ST and M+

[glass mortar]

Well it would probably beat sac but I assume ur budgeted around needing sac for hastd

So if u try to sim it replacing sac it's never gunna unless u make up that 2k haste somewhere

Our haste isn't exactly flexible

[worldly shale]

this is a nobrainer for 450k right?

[lofty latch]

yes

[glass mortar]

What the hecka

Thats dirt cheap

[hybrid crown]

its on the low end but all servers are linked so the lowest price is the price

there is one for 400k but that might be bait

[kind otter]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint mauve]

was there any cool midnight things

[heavy shadow]

without sacc I can manage 23% haste

[hybrid crown]

oh, well one was 400k 5 days ago

[worldly shale]

actually the price of belts might go up

[glass mortar]

23% haste on gear? That's too much you only need 18-19%

[worldly shale]

on turbo week

when delve belt gets nerfed

no?

[heavy shadow]

yeah it's basically if I use this neck or not

so if I sim with that neck the haste requirement should be met, so should be better sim

[worldly shale]

get this and ure fixed

[glass mortar]

Sure

Altho if ur overcapped on haste sac will be devalued and won't show how strong it is as well

If u want to accurately sim replacing it u sorta need to 1:1 replace the haste it gives u with options for the sim to try

The cloak gem can be a good place to start it should be fairly close

[timid portal]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[heavy shadow]

I have this too, well hc version. It's what I use, but I thought I could switch for the haste neck

Somehow even overcapping on haste still antenae doesn't sim above current

so think will keep whjat I have as it can't be too crazy

[glass mortar]

Hard to tell what ur seeing without linking the sim

[heavy shadow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/akn3CdyEn2ckZYKyaWvsCq

[keen belfry]

anyone on NA need a destro lock for their keys?

[glass mortar]

No but if u need any pity t11 delves I could drag u through a few for crests and a heroic piece

💅

[heavy shadow]

Anyway raid ended and shaman offered me 550k for the trinket, so I took it

Turbo soon no if I really want it

[keen belfry]

are u gamer enough to do that

[obtuse brook]

should also go grab your cloak

[keen belfry]

ur kinda right

brb

[verbal stag]

What % should I aim for roughly on haste

[worldly shale]

19

[lyric blade]

20 is comfortable

[worldly shale]

19 is perfect

[glass mortar]

I mean I do it for my bnet friends fairly ofteb

To be clear I won't be on my rogue

Brm with dps brann pulling wall to wall

If you die you die

[noble thorn]

!log

[olive parcel]

cold blooded killer is gonna be fun with fan the hammer

[copper radish]

Is this channel dead now until midnight

[copper radish]

Bros already lining up the midnight classes 😆

[worldly shale]

wtf?

[restive charm]

https://tenor.com/view/haha-gumichan-bird-no-laughing-gif-5128531988218293677

[red zinc]

not even airpodprothree

broke ah

[obtuse hollow]

Wtf are these changes

[covert kestrel]

Aoe is baseline

[obtuse hollow]

Are all classes going back to vanilla level complexity

[worldly shale]

nice

this sounds uber cool

UBER

[patent mirage]

that is tornado trigger

its cool

[worldly shale]

New Talent: Murder – Your finishing moves deal 10% increased damage.

bro

we got some

badass names

like every talent name i read

is cool af

MURDER

bro

[spare lake]

Murder is from classic

[patent mirage]

we got adr increasing dmg

fk me its nice

[worldly shale]

this looks amazing

idk why people are trashing

[patent mirage]

we got some attention its fine

like people were talking about not wanting stealth in outlaw

and we got it

[olive parcel]

Retractable Hook no longer reduces Grappling Hook’s retraction speed.
....

[ornate kernel]

I dont see the midnight outlaw channel

🙁

[gaunt phoenix]

enable it from id:customize

[ornate kernel]

Tyy

[errant canopy]

where can I check out midnight rogue changes?

[native acorn]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[tight kernel]

It might be time to prog IRL. These changes just look bad lmao

[ember mantle]

its so interesting how divided outlaw players are about these changes

[errant canopy]

but it's fun

[ember mantle]

the gcd is still as low as 0.8
so should still be high apm no?

[tight kernel]

Blizzard releasing WoW console version so we need less buttons than D4

The game sounds less fun now

[final sluice]

People are divided cause there are people which like outlaw for how outlaw is and people which like outlaw for the fantasy and want to play it. The changes are good for the second half.
For me float like a butterfly removed is so much pain allready I cant even think about a boring talent like "your finishing moves deal 10% increased damage" - yeah thanks for nothing bro.

[ocean lodge]

Well you see we need to change rogue for people who don't play rogue and will continue not playing rogue

[ember mantle]

at least imo they kept it high apm mostly
made adr feel more impactful
made rtb less rng
removed offensive vanish
and removed the need to track a lot of buffs that people would HATE needing to track once weakauras get fried

[errant canopy]

I just hope they realise class complexity and approachability can co-exist and that it's not a must that literally every class should be for everyone

[final sluice]

Thats ok to remove the buffs - I personaly play outlaw for the playstyle which might stay similar - the tankyness which got hurt big time and the movementspeed which also got hurt. So well.

[latent oak]

they removed alot of the apm no?

[fallow fractal]

no more vanish shenanigans ?

[latent oak]

ur uptime of 0.8s gcd is much lower

[ember mantle]

yeah im p sure its not upwards of 90-95% uptime but the button is stronger
so more like a regular cd

[latent oak]

not really?

the button is similar to now no?

[errant canopy]

where can I find this stuff

[latent oak]

u get super charger

but less duration

[low gazelle]

I find it strange that they have take em by surprise and made offensive vanish not a thing.

[fallow fractal]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/midnight-alpha-development-notes-378688

[errant canopy]

thanks king

[latent oak]

adr just copped nerfs unless im missing something

the uptime and the effects are just less than they are in live

[fallow fractal]

they had to right

it did so much dmg

[ember mantle]

adr increases damage of builders and finishers by 15%

thats one of the added talents

[fallow fractal]

and was always rank 1 in aoe and ST

[latent oak]

ya has some talents

but overall

is a nerf

[ember mantle]

thats purely a numbers thing
they could just increase it to 50% at any point and bam its a buff
but it's indicative of what direction they wanna go

which is keeping high apm in a shorter window but stronger adr in that window

[latent oak]

man losing uptime on 0.8s gcd sucks

[latent oak]

but tbf

during that adr

u have 0 control if u proc ace or not

since we dont have crackshot anymore

[lethal oak]

But thats the gambling aspect

We must gamble and high roll CDs to do damage

[jagged sonnet]

Hey, I'm not entirely sure where to ask this, but this channel seems the most appropriate. Is the Blade Flurry bug back? I am running some legacy content and it just one shots everything and wont select new targets

[errant canopy]

outlaw more like incrime

[ember mantle]

idk how the numbers will turn out but the concept seems healthy at least

it seeeeems like it reduces rng
and punishing not having 100% uptime isnt great
also at least from a raider pov it just seems way more appealling for prog

[strong bolt]

sorry to distract from midnight hype, but quick question- if I proc coup and KS is off cd, should I do coup into KS into vanish window or just coup into vanish?

[lethal oak]

Clearly they want to murder KS, idk why after they just changed it

[craggy barn]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[sweet iron]

if u one shot a mob bf doesnt work

[quaint mauve]

im kinda confused by your question , you don’t want to vanish while KS is up and you don’t want to vanish with coup coming up

[strong bolt]

maybe im doing something wrong, but ive run into the scenario where i proc coup and KS is sub 30 sec from being off cd, spending coup brings KS off cd. should i send the KS there before I vanish or go right into vanish and KS after?

[jagged sonnet]

Is that intended?

[quaint mauve]

you want to send KS

or you’ll waste ks cdr

[strong bolt]

thanks!

[jade abyss]

Any use for wound poison outside HoA last mini boss ? I see people take it in high keys in many keys like eco dome or else

[gaunt phoenix]

You use the talent cause nothing else to use

but HoA and maybe some priory pulls is all

[jade abyss]

Iron Stomach ? Rushed setup, they seem slightly better

Shiv even

[gaunt phoenix]

You use iron stomach

idk rushed setup does nothing

[jade abyss]

I wonder if they go for superior mixture to buff the slow poison in those keys?

[somber plank]

Why are they insisting on a channeling mechanic for AoE? The target cap is annoying too

KS not inisting

[tranquil folio]

Look a spec has to be a what not to do for the devs to look at and it has to be outlaw

[covert kestrel]

SGO SOX

[tranquil folio]

Cope and out dps shit players playing meta specs anyways

[somber plank]

I'm jealous of Gangplank's Barrels in League of Legend

[wicked obsidian]

so no rouge canges at all besides kick duration?

[hearty stump]

gotta scroll down bud

those are just DR changes

all 3 specs got significant changes

[unkempt wolf]

outlaw changes dont looks nice

[still shard]

seems like assa gotta rework not outlaww

[wicked obsidian]

yeah sorry, my bad there are significant changes. ok let’s see how they’re going on ptr

[quiet root]

idk removing the whole UHUH and crackshot playstyle is definitely a huge change

and RTB is a lot different too

[next wedge]

!sims

[ornate heath]

Simulations:
Bloodmallet: https://bloodmallet.com/index.html

[next wedge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[next wedge]

thats it

are there no HO sims?

[gaunt phoenix]

what is HO?

[empty elbow]

gambit fish sticks

[stiff vector]

@fathom bramble you think its worth to play prism on mythic salhadaar or nah? Just got one from vault this week+but have 723 sac and cosmic hunt as well

[vivid vessel]

No cause you are gonna lose ADR on damage amp

And then what you doing with your prism uh

Noob

[stiff vector]

[grim spear]

In Midnight, we intend for Outlaw to be a very approachable rogue spec while still embodying its fantasy of a tricky, resourceful, sometimes underhanded fighter that is willing to roll the dice and take a chance.

I have a bad feeling about this

[gaunt phoenix]

Don't

[grim spear]

[gaunt phoenix]

The changes are good so far. Actually a lot of ideas floating around this server have made it in.

[stuck patrol]

Is crackshot gone, or baseline?

[grim spear]

gone, cool

[gaunt phoenix]

it's baked into ace

Ace just has a chance to reset bte cd

So you can ace spam at any moment

[stuck patrol]

Also: underhanded upperhand gone

https://tenor.com/view/crab-dance-dancing-gif-13312067

[rich moon]

so any other way to keep AR up?

[stuck patrol]

Nope, but it looks like there is a talent that makes AR make you do more gen and finisher damage

I'm sure they will tune energy regen to compensate

[rich moon]

so we're getting an actual damage cd??

[stuck patrol]

seems like it

[rich moon]

unbelievable

[stuck patrol]

it's not as powerful as a normal damage cd tho, but that's bc restless blades still exists

[rich moon]

yeah, when you get CDR it at least has to be lower

[gaunt phoenix]

back to bfa/shadowlands where AR was 40% uptime or whatever

[rich moon]

are we keeping RTB?

[gaunt phoenix]

Yes but RTB is way different

it is 1 buff with different stages

[rich moon]

as long as it's not a finisher like on bfa lol

[gaunt phoenix]

you roll a random stage

[rich moon]

stages?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's like

Stage 1 - SnC
Stage 2 - SnC + BS
Stage 3 - SnC + BS + TB
Stage 4 - SnC + BS + TB + Crit

you roll a random stage, but like SnC will always be active, cause you will always at least have stage 1

so like

[rich moon]

interesting, and you can roll more stages like with CTO

?

[gaunt phoenix]

With talents you should more or less be guaranteed SnC and BS which prevents really shit low rolling

CTO is gone

RTB is 1 buff

[rich moon]

makes sense

and RTB is still affected by restless

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

Opportunity has a 60% baseline chance

which is fucking crazooka crazy

Cause SnC is always active

i think it will be very fun

[rich moon]

holy cow, an HO is baseline?

[gaunt phoenix]

No it's not

HO is HO

[red zinc]

ho ho

🎅

[hexed spindle]

I'm really hoping it's a slower feel to the gameplay

My hands can't do it anymore

I'm tired boss

[gaunt phoenix]

Well it is for sure slower cause AR is not permanent

[stuck patrol]

HO also apparently doesn't make ambush strike multiple times

it just gives it a chance to proc opportunity

which is a bit odd, esp since the chance is still "80% of SS's chance"

I feel like ambush damage will have to be really strong to make you want to pick HO

esp with SnC always existing

Because extra strike of SS can proc gauche right?

[fathom whale]

NO MORE CRACKSHIT frick yeah

[stuck patrol]

speaking of which, I'm still shocked that our mastery CONTINUES to be main gauche LMAO

[fathom whale]

Games saved

[smoky lotus]

they took out all the mg talents, so they might be cooking something?

[quaint mauve]

it’s over

specs boring

[restive obsidian]

Youll still have crackshot, itll just be worse

Ie, procs whenever and no stealth controlled element

[rich moon]

it should give us extra % to hit instead of increasing the meager damage it does lol

[frigid gorge]

Proc rate higher than live, no stealth requirements, and a lot more BTE talents

[gaunt phoenix]

Not sure the proc rate is higher, some confusion about the tooltip

we'll see soon

I'm not sure it needs to be higher even

[fathom whale]

it wasnt removed?

[gaunt phoenix]

it was merged into Ace

But no stealth

BtE can just reset at any point

[fathom whale]

oh i get it

didnt read that bit

[strong halo]

How exactly does the fatebound bug work

Like if I don’t break every vanish with GS am I just hard trolling

[gaunt phoenix]

its not trolling its just like 2% damage or smth

[strong halo]

Yeah but 2% dmg for rest of the fight or just that window

[ocean lodge]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b05d3r3SNVw what do you mean buff outlaw? never heard of it

[strong halo]

Like is 1 bad stealth break enough to ruin my whole boss fight

[gaunt phoenix]

2% expected dps loss if you never did this fatebound shit at all and just vanished on rp/supercharger

[strong halo]

Ok that makes me feel better thanks solo

So if I miss 1 vanish break without GS I shouldn’t hate myself

[frigid gorge]

its the leftover of Ruthless Precision

[keen belfry]

there are a few RP replacement talents

[errant terrace]

Guy/Solo/Zac, any reason noone's using precise cuts or dancing steel on M Salad?
is it just that swift slasher and thief's verse give that much more ST dmg for boss?

[keen belfry]

i like that awe basically have broadside baseline, and so many OPpp procs

[errant terrace]

esp with loaded dice

[pearl topaz]

the last season of outlaw where we are playing like this

actually maybe thats zacs setup idk

[agile quiver]

Survival hunters are now able to dual wield one-handed axes, swords, and daggers.

Ah shit, now we have to compete with hunters for off-spec weapon rolls.

[tough trellis]

how is everyone feeling about the removal of crackshot and underhanded upper hand

i fell to my knees reading those words

and im not smart enough to imagine how the spec plays with all the yap before it

[agile quiver]

Crackshot change is good, imo (it's merged with Ace instead of stealth, if you missed it)

uhuh... depends on how AR uptime is with new tree, and how it feels when it's down

[tough trellis]

😭

[agile quiver]

I'm also very skeptical of the supercharger change (being moved to AR) but have to see how that plays out

plus if Vanish is no longer part of our rotation, that reduces the strength of Ambush and Hidden Opportunity

and at the same time KIR seems less valuable?

[errant terrace]

general consensus seems to be that overall poggers changes

[spare lake]

wat about the whole removal of external addons and shit

[errant terrace]

shouldn't be too bad for us

rtb got simplified enough

we only really hope for it to still have visual differences between the 4 buffs

[spare lake]

ya i would tend to agree but still kinda unsure what to think

[errant terrace]

we all will be till we play it

[spare lake]

like mythic raiders and ui customization

[errant terrace]

but so far these changes are pretty good

[spare lake]

🤔

[errant terrace]

I use bartender, which is close enough to base ui

[spare lake]

i just like my wa

[errant terrace]

currently dying to M saladbar

me too

[spare lake]

currently dying to sewer rats

||we r not the same||

[errant terrace]

but I only really use it to see hp and rtb buff duration ...

[errant terrace]

LOL

[spare lake]

i dont like base cp

[errant terrace]

I have a sick pic of a rat on my shoulder

[spare lake]

some would call that a tattoo

[errant terrace]

oh and cp yeah

LOL I mean

ss

[spare lake]

🐀

[spare lake]

the rp goes hard

[errant terrace]

near the azj kahet portal in dorn

there's a rat

that you can have on your shoulder for 10 min

[spare lake]

we should be shooting rats out of our guns smh

[errant terrace]

honestly

gib that glyph

[agile quiver]

the change to blade rush is interesting, maybe a build will actually take it? does 3x the current damage

[errant terrace]

solo mentioned that

it may be good

[agile quiver]

meamwhile KS is -60% damage.

didn't see, is Trickster still KS reliant?

[errant terrace]

it is

but we likely won't take with FB

[quaint mauve]

@tired rune

[keen belfry]

dfoes anyone here play fdk

and is good

[quaint mauve]

yeah im the goat

what’s up

[keen belfry]

yeah nvm

[quaint mauve]

???

wtf

[keen belfry]

do u just kinda have to send your breathless pillar on cd

to avoid holding breathe too long

[quaint mauve]

i do that

[keen belfry]

thats what im telling my dk friend rn

[ripe ibex]

yeah i don’t think you should ever do that

breath does zero without pof

not even worth pressing

faero said some other bad words about what you just said but i am unable to repeat them

[plucky chasm]

Guys

Waht do u think about that changes and notes for Midnight ? Big changes on each class

Especially for rogue, waht u guys think

[torpid fiber]

for outlaw general consensus is that it'll probably be fine with some specific potential pain points

[errant terrace]

but other goated changes

mostly great changes

iffy abt how we'll feel w/out adr since the uptime is much worse

but basically every other change is great

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, energy regen outside of adr is one of the two big worries for me

[errant terrace]

guy says it'll likely be fine with 70% ss opp chance

we won't know til we play obv, but these changes are good

[torpid fiber]

I am sad they kept 7cp

I wish we played 5cp again

[plucky chasm]

I wished they would delete KiR xd

[chilly atlas]

we should have 11 combo points that each behave distinctly and have a place in your rotation

[frail veldt]

why

[torpid fiber]

I agree

[keen belfry]

what

[keen belfry]

did u understand what i typed

obvi u send breathe with pillar only

so sitting on pillar = sitting on breathe cd too

[next thunder]

Gonna craft a ring, should I go with Haste/Vers or Crit/Verse?

[frail veldt]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[next thunder]

How much dps you guys pulling on H Dimensius? I'm between 2.5-2.7M by the end of it and feels low for 711 ilvl 😕

[ripe ibex]

oh yeah i’m kinda dumb lowk

[torpid fiber]

tbf this is #outlaw, they should have assumed that

[keen belfry]

OBVI u never breathe without pillar, i look at pillar breathe like touch/surge

sitting on 2nd pillar means u sit on 2nd breathe

[quaint mauve]

you can always pillar once outve cds and it’ll be back for when cds are back up no?

it syncs pretty well

[keen belfry]

yes

my point is

if u sit on that 2nd pillar

for 15 seconds

u are also delaying your 2nd breathe for 15 seconds

[quaint mauve]

yes

correct

bc u only send breathe with pillar

yeah you’re right

im confused what’d you need

[quaint mauve]

yes

that’s what i do bc it feels awful otherwise

[tulip quarry]

i did something like 4.5M

[keen belfry]

like are u sitting on it for 10 seconds to get a better pillar? at certain points? or should u afk just press

[quaint mauve]

like in m+ i only sit on it if like the mobs won’t even be alive for its whole duration

[keen belfry]

tahats my whole question

isnt that bad

[quaint mauve]

it feels super bad yeah

[keen belfry]

so y do it

[quaint mauve]

but i mean i usually just afk press it

to avoid doing so but it resyncs itself pretty well

idk

[vapid sundial]

what is going on here

[wintry solar]

Goon sesh obv

[smoky lotus]

player housing alpha?

[wintry solar]

@mighty pivot

Wordle 1566 2/6

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I peaked

[torpid fiber]

Bro is playing colourblindle

[wintry solar]

Lol no it's darkmode

[worldly juniper]

Wordle 1,566 2/6

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[worldly juniper]

[wintry solar]

Twinsies!

[worldly juniper]

I made a toothbrush

[wintry solar]

I made a side eyeing duck

[next thunder]

can you recommend me the definite rotation to ST KiR? Everywhere i go it says something a lil diffo

[ripe ibex]

yeah mb i’ve been taking too much tylenol lately

[quaint mauve]

there’s no definite rotation to outlaw

there’s a lot that changes it

[vapid sundial]

Outlaw is flowchart

[mighty pivot]

lucky dog

[wintry solar]

I couldn't have don't better

[mighty pivot]

I once again only had my first wrong place hint on the second guess

[worthy thunder]

!log

[coral folio]

it's over 💀