Weapon requirements are just part of the game
#outlaw
mighty pivot
part of the game for 2 classes
ocean lodge
Counterpoint: enhancement could always rock two handers, balance just doesn't allow it atm, no reason they couldn't mog it
random geyser
there are 2 specs in the game that can only use 1 weapon type assa and sub
ocean lodge
Technically fury
random geyser
they have 1 handed weapon talent even if its bad
ocean lodge
The fact they need four sparks per weapon is lol
random geyser
2 hand maces axes and sword and polarms and staves
random geyser
even bm/mm have bows guns and crossbows
ocean lodge
On the plus side, the raid daggers are fire
random geyser
i just prefer swords lol
cinder relic
part of the game for 2 classes
What?
Fury can't use 1handers
Even if it literally can
random geyser
not compared to other swords lol
ocean lodge
I wanted to point that out but it seemed kinda irrelevant
I mean honestly if you want to play fury without two anime ass swords on your back just play something else
cinder relic
It's the same with fdk as well
copper radish
Fury can't use 1handers
They should bring it back
ocean lodge
Doesn't fdk like 2h now?
copper radish
Doesn't fdk like 2h now?
Yee
ocean lodge
I hate dw frost so that's been tempting ngl
cinder relic
For all of the expansion it's been the inverse
random geyser
atleast give sub/ass fist weapons lol
mighty pivot
even if you count DK that's 3 classes
ocean lodge
I never see unholy anymore so I assume they got actually destroyed
mighty pivot
so why do you "what" me
cinder relic
How many specs do I need to list lol
ocean lodge
Outside pvp
copper radish
Frost has an ability that applies the frost enchant so no need to DW for both enchants among other things
ocean lodge
Holy shit lol
copper radish
Glacial advance or something
random geyser
list all specs locked to a single weapon class meaning only sword or only axes or only staves
ocean lodge
Enhancement, kinda
long barn
We might as well shut this discord down. We don’t even talk outlaw anymore it’s so bad 😥
random geyser
axe and mace and dagger (they wanted a dagger s1
mighty pivot
this hasn't been outlaw chat in a while
copper radish
Imagine outlaw running around dual wielding 2Hs
copper radish
Fury discord would be in an uproar
ocean lodge
this hasn't been outlaw chat in a while
mighty pivot
give outlaw dual guns
random geyser
dual talsachs from remix 😄
ocean lodge
give outlaw dual guns
Technically we do
copper radish
give outlaw dual guns
But we do have guns pew pew pistol shot
ocean lodge
KS is dual guns lol
random geyser
hey i keep my gun in my tauren toe
random geyser
ocean lodge
On a side note, buff blood elf racials.
Why is the offshoot better in every way, including cosmetics
random geyser
make racials selectable so it doesnt matter anymore
ocean lodge
I wouldn't complain if it was a limited interchangeable deal
random geyser
just put it on barbers
ocean lodge
Like maghar and orcs can choose one, the blood elves can choose, the draenei clones can choose ect
copper radish
make racials selectable so it doesnt matter anymore
SOD kinda did that
That would be sick. Hate staying on night elf for PvP lol
ocean lodge
I didn't play sod much beyond the comedy of living bomb at level one. How so?
copper radish
I didn't play sod much beyond the comedy of living bomb at level one. How so?
U could get a ring enchant that would give +5 wep skill like racials did back then or pet damage
mighty pivot
inscription masks like gleeful glamour which give you that race's racial abilities 
ocean lodge
They made mages even dumber, SOMEHOW
random geyser
they completely neglected rogue for all of sod atleast for tanking it felt like retail
ocean lodge
U could get a ring enchant that would give +5 wep skill like racials did back th...
Huh, neat.
Personally I feel like outside of 100 parsing that shit is the most overrated thing ever
ocean lodge
I lowkey regret not playing sod because warlock tank looked really, really funny.
tender wedge
SoD was really fun for awhile
random geyser
i quit during ST but i remember p1 and 2 no one wanted a rogue tank
copper radish
Rogue was really good in SOD with poisons and saber slash
tender wedge
But classic brain is so offputting
ocean lodge
I love my rogue but I was technically a lock player before I went rogue yaknow
copper radish
Mutilate build towards the end was god like
And then by AQ set bonus increased saber. That was fun asf to play
random geyser
nice
copper radish
Wouldn’t mind outlaw getting saber slash type of ability in midnight
ocean lodge
Bro we'll be lucky if we even have restless blades
copper radish
Time for outlaw to get deadly back and run some dots??
“Each tick of saber and deadly gives you 0.X seconds of CDR for restless blades”
ocean lodge
Based off the wording of the dev post, I'm expecting a dumbing down that goes WAAAAAAAAY too far.
random geyser
I am ok with not staring at my bars
ocean lodge
I feel like the bulk of the new player issues with outlaw are just aura tracking related
Both due to the nature of rtb, and the fact a lot of it is just hidden by default for no reason
random geyser
loves telling guildies to look up container theory
ocean lodge
Most people just playing kir without consulting the discord probably don't even know you can roll after kir.
Like the fuck
cinder haven
The wowhead guide has that info tho
ocean lodge
You expect them to READ?
cinder haven
Ofc not
ocean lodge
Are you mad
random geyser
tob tell me have u found the grail will we be able to do dmg
copper radish
Did we cook up a new spec that’s better ST than KIR FB?!?!?
daring oxide
can we agree that if realz comes back to chat to us on the 2nd october about the outlaw reworks, can we just be friendly and constructive regardless of what comes out for the rework yeah
no people getting upset and threating ye
random geyser
is there a way to keep my eyes
cinder haven
No no
ocean lodge
Like outlaw already has HO if you want the low effort route. Most specs don't have the luxury of sacking just a few % for an easier ride.
I feel like outlaw doesn't have an urgent issue in need of address beyond not hiding things like the container.
copper radish
can we agree that if realz comes back to chat to us on the 2nd october about the...
No
cinder haven
The eyes have to go sadly
ocean lodge
And the godawful tuning ofc
cinder haven
You also have to make a character with a name ending in godx
agile orchid
can we agree that if realz comes back to chat to us on the 2nd october about the...
Didn’t he get promoted, why would he work on rogue anymore
random geyser
tinypeckergodx got it
agile orchid
He got promoted to mage designer 
ocean lodge
Did he actually
agile orchid
Idk I read somewhere he got a promotion
ocean lodge
Lol
random geyser
failing upward?
ocean lodge
I know mages have been turning on Dave lately
random geyser
s3 of?
agile orchid
Assa before the rework was complete dogshit in m+
frail veldt
df
ocean lodge
Hypothetically, and humor me
frail veldt
the most recent rework
ocean lodge
If restless blades were removed how would we react
agile orchid
crackshot is amazing
agile orchid
I would say even sub is a lot of fun to play
frail veldt
^
random geyser
did he go on a yr long vacation?
cinder haven
If restless blades were removed how would we react
Depends on what other changes they do
frail veldt
did he go on a yr long vacation?
wdym
copper radish
If restless blades were removed how would we react
Never play outlaw again
cinder haven
I don’t think restless blade is necessarily what makes outlaw fun
fathom bramble
without a pretty dramatic overhaul of the entire spec removing restless would basically kill it
agile orchid
Restless blade is integral to outlaw
cinder haven
It is nice to not have to hold any CDs i guess
random geyser
i felt like playing outlaw the entire xpac has felt like playing with an arm tied behind my back personally i like it but u dont get results for the work
copper radish
For PvP atleast it would be terrible to take out restless lol
ocean lodge
Depends on what other changes they do
Let's say shorter cds but perma ar isn't a thing anymore
Or crackshot
cinder haven
I mean you would have to adjust all our cds
copper radish
And they never reverted back the 80% on restless cause of s2 tier 😭
frail veldt
I don’t think restless blade is necessarily what makes outlaw fun
really? to me thats like one of the main things
agile orchid
i felt like playing outlaw the entire xpac has felt like playing with an arm tie...
Season 2 outlaw was sick if you ignore KS killing you 
frail veldt
I think restless blades is the reason why outlaw has such a steep skill to performance ratio
cinder haven
really? to me thats like one of the main things
It’s the main flavor atm yeah
ocean lodge
I think kir is more impactful for new players than rb
Because the weakaura fucking lies
agile orchid
I think restless blades is the reason why outlaw has such a steep skill to perfo...
I actually think the main culprit is the AR uptime
frail veldt
lot of other specs its harder(imo) to excel in performance just off of skill compared to outlaw
cinder haven
But if they wanna dumb it down i guess it’s a way of doing that
random geyser
do you think the game needs to just overall reduce how bursty everything is?
agile orchid
Many newbies struggle with it
frail veldt
I actually think the main culprit is the AR uptime
thats due to restless blades...
ocean lodge
do you think the game needs to just overall reduce how bursty everything is?
Eh, I think that's a fool's errand
frail veldt
ar uptime is a direct consequence of restless blades combined with uhuh
cinder haven
I’ll keep an open mind
agile orchid
Hmm I guess
frail veldt
a non uptime version of outlaw just homogenizes the spec imo
fathom bramble
do you think the game needs to just overall reduce how bursty everything is?
yes
fathom bramble
no one should be dealing 10x their resting dps during cds
ocean lodge
All it really accomplished was making shit that flew under the radar bursty
frail veldt
but it wont be as unique thats for sure
cinder haven
It needs to stay fast paced and mobile at least
agile orchid
no one should be dealing 10x their resting dps during cds
Sub rogue
ocean lodge
Like if outlaw was as brainless as ret I might actually just quit
random geyser
could always play bm or havoc
fathom bramble
Like if outlaw was as brainless as ret I might actually just quit
yeah unless they actually uplift one of the other 2 rogue specs
ocean lodge
I genuinely don't know how anyone can. Enjoy bm beyond the op damage
It's the most boring spec in the game
frail veldt
many enjoy it because its easy
agile orchid
I guess it’s relaxing
frail veldt
not everyone wants to have 100apm all th etime
ocean lodge
It's not even apm like
random geyser
it lets you focus on the game and not ur bars a good bit
ocean lodge
Imagine if you pressed bte once and did like a 20mil crit
frail veldt
not everyone wants to try that hard
ocean lodge
You didn't earn that shit
random geyser
like sectech?
frail veldt
its like me wondering why anyone wouldnt want to grind out the perma augment rune for 1% more damage
cuz not everyone wants to be such a try hard all the time
ocean lodge
Even sechtech has more nuance to it, and sub is ultra dumbed down.
frail veldt
some people just wana press a few buttons and do a lot of damage
and they arent wrong
agile orchid
its like me wondering why anyone wouldnt want to grind out the perma augment run...
Because I hate doing casual shit in this game
frail veldt
Because I hate doing casual shit in this game
well arguably grinding it out is the opposite of casual
that would be try hard shit
agile orchid
If I could grind rep by farming dungeons I would
ocean lodge
Perma Augment rune is technically saving money
still matrix
Rename discord to rework waiting room
agile orchid
But doing quests and shit 🤮
frail veldt
casual
ocean lodge
Every single time you click perma Aug rune is 1k saved
frail veldt
missing out on dps?
cuz its "too hard" or "too much work"?
fucking casual
cant imagine someone wanting to be a casual like that
and not do the work
to do more damage
yall see my point?
agile orchid
Too much work for too little pay off
frail veldt
^^^^^^^
ocean lodge
If you're casual you don't give a shit about a lot of things though
agile orchid
Even if I were to start
agile orchid
It would probably take me ages
frail veldt
Too much work for too little pay off
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
youre actually
SOOOOOOOOOO close
ocean lodge
.>
fathom bramble
you could have gotten it on like week 6 with very casual rep collecting
agile orchid
Yeah well it is what it is
cinder relic
Yeah I got it like 3 weeks ago and I fucked up and Was slow
frail veldt
"too much work for too little pay off" "why do people want to play bm over outlaw"
holy shit
ocean lodge
I was lazy so I got it like week 8 or some shit
frail veldt
can I make it clearer
agile orchid
I still get 99 parses without the augment rune so
ocean lodge
Based
agile orchid
Mewo I was not the one complaining about BM
i said BM is relaxing and that’s why people enjoy it
ocean lodge
The thing with the casual argument is if you're a casual you probably don't give a fuck about beating the 99 parsing bm hunter in your raid
fathom bramble
there is also the somewhat real perspective of some players caring about the output far more than whatever they are doing to reach it
ocean lodge
Or reaching mythic dimensius in general
frail veldt
Mewo I was not the one complaining about BM
well you responded to me giving the example of wanting to not do something thats too much work cuz its too little payoff
agile orchid
Beating hunter as a rogue, good one
fathom bramble
if BM is strong some players will enjoy it only for the strength it brings
ocean lodge
You won't but yeah lol
frail veldt
there is also the somewhat real perspective of some players caring about the out...
I mean why wouldnt you want to maximize your ROI of effort to output
I think were the crazy ones
tbh
"lets make the game harder for less payoff!"
agile orchid
I mean why wouldnt you want to maximize your ROI of effort to output
Depends on what the effort is
ocean lodge
How about
agile orchid
Complexity can be fun
fathom bramble
I mean it's all priorities
frail veldt
"I would like to do less damage for more effort pls! Thanks"
ocean lodge
'Let's be rewarded for our effort" or is that inconvenient to the narrative
frail veldt
"I cant believe not everyone would want this!"
fathom bramble
I think the people playing something they hate and complaining about how much they dislike it while it is insanely op are the crazy ones
(not saying all bm players say this)
frail veldt
'Let's be rewarded for our effort" or is that inconvenient to the narrative
you are still rewarded by playing BM correctly over a worse BM
but yeah im just pointing out its not that black and white haha
ocean lodge
Legit why I refuse to go bm. If I go hunter it's strictly for surv or mm
agile orchid
I think the people playing something they hate and complaining about how much th...
Me with unholy last season
frail veldt
I think people have an ego
frail veldt
so theyd rather lose playing the "harder" spec than lose on an easy spec
ocean lodge
I think they reasonably think the specs that require more effort than bm or ret should probably have a better output.
agile orchid
Personally I just play one character per season and I prefer that character to have some complexity so I don’t get bored
ocean lodge
Call me crazy
lofty latch
Outlaw has retained my interest longer than any other spec so far in all forms of content. Helps with adhd brain
ocean lodge
I like to play as much specs as possible for the class I'm playing at the time.
Main exception is aff for lock. Fuck malefic rapture.
lofty latch
I've played nearly every spec in the game and outlaw is my most recent. Really really engaging for me, despite its issues
frail veldt
I think they reasonably think the specs that require more effort than bm or ret ...
holistically I agree but in practicality it hurts a games popularity if there arent easier specs/builds/paths that perform on par with harder ones
cinder relic
If you are ever expecting harder specs to be stronger at a baseline, you should try a different video game (and then also realize this isn't true there too)
ocean lodge
holistically I agree but in practicality it hurts a games popularity if there ar...
I don't think so. Because bm being as far ahead as it is is also just as harmful
agile orchid
If you are ever expecting harder specs to be stronger at a baseline, you should ...
I don’t think there is a video game that does this
frail veldt
but between specs of a class or even between classes
I dont think that needs to be maintained
ocean lodge
If a complex spec is that far ahead, there's an inherent limiter
frail veldt
I don’t think there is a video game that does this
they do it mechanically
generally
cinder relic
They don't
slate forge
If you are ever expecting harder specs to be stronger at a baseline, you should ...
Designing around mastery curves is a key aspect of game design lol why blizz only good every time so frustrating
agile orchid
I am thinking about dota 2 with heroes like invoker or meepo
frail veldt
yeah like in an fps there arent really short cuts to performance that subvert skill that much
slate forge
Literally classs on it
ocean lodge
More games do than do not. Balance is rarely determined by the low end
frail veldt
like in r6s
agile orchid
They are difficult to play but they are not that op compared to simpler heroes
frail veldt
or csgo
lofty latch
Yeah the "harder = better" argument has been beaten to death, its just not good for the game lol. You should always assume based on the best players
slate forge
How hard to understand they do a bad job regardless of if it’s on purpose it’s bad
red zinc
If anything harder classes / characters are nerfed to be weaker for the average player
frail veldt
cuz the game mechanically is just harder as a whole
red zinc
since theres really good players that make it too op otherwise
ocean lodge
If anything harder classes / characters are nerfed to be weaker for the average ...
I hate how real this is for wow.
agile orchid
there isnt like a "BM" of valorant afaik
Aren’t there guns that are easier to use?
frail veldt
or the game emphasizes your mechanics/strats/etc a lot more than your build
cinder relic
I mean look at characters like soj in Overwatch lol
red zinc
doesnt apply to wow honestly
frail veldt
Aren’t there guns that are easier to use?
not really
red zinc
more hero moba's / shooters
frail veldt
the hard guns are the good guns
cinder relic
Soj was like, 42% wr for all ranks, but literal thanos in pro play
frail veldt
its not like shotguns or spray and pray works in those games
thats intentional
so like I said the game mechanically just rewards skill
wow is just a different game where they dont do that as much
even within wow like if you just chose all the passive talents of a spec
you wouldnt do more damage necessarily
hardy thicket
This again
frail veldt
so they do reward the "harder" variants of builds
the starter specs on builds is rarely the best performing spec
blizzard knows this
and acknowledges it
but they dont land on the far end of the spectrum
cinder relic
I mean even outlaw rn the "harder build" (kir) is stronger lol
frail veldt
where every hard spec does better than any easier spec
frail veldt
I mean even outlaw rn the "harder build" (kir) is stronger lol
yeah
copper radish
I mean even outlaw rn the "harder build" (kir) is stronger lol
KIR ez at this point lol
slate forge
Soj was like, 42% wr for all ranks, but literal thanos in pro play
And the fix is the same every time buff baseline abilities while nerfing harder min maxes but you don’t remove min max mechanics rarely you keep them because they are good
frail veldt
thats why I was saying a good middle ground is that within a spec, the harder variant in general should do a little more dmg
but between classes I dont think so necessarily
magic shuttle
Bring back ho!
vivid vessel
thats why I was saying a good middle ground is that within a spec, the harder va...
they confirmed it worked like that tho
like realz did
they do that intentionnaly
frail veldt
yeah I know
vivid vessel
withing class i mean
frail veldt
exactly
slate forge
Which is impossible to do if your dev work is literally nothing for an entire expansion shit takes work actual work
frail veldt
I think thats a good philosophy for balancing making a game popular but keeping it still somewhat competitive
cinder relic
And the fix is the same every time buff baseline abilities while nerfing harder ...
Idk what Ur even referencing at this point
slate forge
I’m not surprised
cinder relic
I haven't played in awhile but I know soj is op again lol
fathom bramble
I'm probably thinking of something older than what you are referencing then lol
I quit OW2 in season 1
cinder relic
But her kit is fundamentally unbalanceable without like, removing her ability to headshot in total lol
frail veldt
thats a whole different discussion too
which is how do you balance around lower skill brackets
vs upper skill brackets
cinder relic
Well for Overwatch it's by buffing her neutral and then nerfing her headshot damage
frail veldt
yeah but im just saying in general that can be pretty hard
cinder relic
Making her normal gun better, and her rail worse as a headshot
cinder relic
yeah but im just saying in general that can be pretty hard
Yeah game design is hard lol
frail veldt
outlaws a great example of how a spec can "seem" strong at lower skill levels of play
mighty pivot
you cannot always balance for all brackets (see invoker situation)
frail veldt
but get substantially worse in higher difficulties
cinder relic
you cannot always balance for all brackets (see invoker situation)
Valve has a very different balance philosphy
fathom bramble
outlaws a great example of how a spec can "seem" strong at lower skill levels of...
well unlike a queued pvp game there's multiple things going on here
frail veldt
valve was always pretty active with their patch notes though
they do TINY tiny tweaks constantly
fathom bramble
we are strong in low keys, but I would argue weak in low skill brackets
fathom bramble
it's just low keys doesn't equal low skill necessarily
craggy barn
valve has icefrog
cinder relic
Like this comic is over a decade old but it's still very true
mighty pivot
well icefrog has been on that project for a very long time
craggy barn
whos sole purpose is dota2
fathom bramble
while in a queued pvp game obviously you just have the 1 thing going on
craggy barn
and its a private company
fathom bramble
which is the average skill of the lobby
frail veldt
I feel like riots way was handing the baton off to a new broken champ every coupple weeks
mighty pivot
blizzard doesn't have the same people in charge that they had 20 years ago
craggy barn
and their company philosophy is super loose compared to small indie companies like blizzard
frail veldt
so people were constantly diverted
torpid heath
can somebody give me the kick maccro plz?
frail veldt
their game never felt even remotely balanced
cinder relic
Valve broadly speaking will balance the game by making everything kinda stupid and bullshit. I mean look at deadlock already lol
craggy barn
ye
cinder relic
Games not even in beta yet and so many characters are insane
craggy barn
"if everything is op, nothing is"
frail veldt
yeah I guess in dota 2 it usually felt pretty fine
I rarely felt like the reason we lost was cuz something was broken but more so because someone played very poorly
in league though there were def times that a champ would just 1v5 once they got setup enough
and you were just shit out of luck
mighty pivot
there have been some patches with bullshit balance in dota, and they don't patch that frequently
craggy barn
league pushes stronger identities in what champs can do
frail veldt
I guess when I played they were patching a lot it felt like
arctic hollow
in league though there were def times that a champ would just 1v5 once they got ...
ye old days of Jax / Akaali 1v5
frail veldt
yeaaaaaaaaah
mighty pivot
but blizzard does have the tools to balance more often with fine tuning and they just don't 
frail veldt
blizz def is on the very infrequent end of balance imo
esp as of late
it feels like balance patches are few and far between
SL/DF felt a lot more frequent
fathom bramble
I was expecting another balance pass for a few weeks now
magic shuttle
This season feels slower on balance than usual
fathom bramble
and it's just not here so idk
mighty pivot
3 weeks between tuning 2 and 3, and almost 4 weeks since the last one for this season
frail veldt
I think its because they upped their cadence for xpacs
fathom bramble
they are busy on midnight and other stuff IG
frail veldt
so theyre having to do that
fathom bramble
as someone that focuses raiding the tier is already functionally over
so idc that much now
fathom bramble
they should balance around raid for the first couple months
and then shift to M+ imo
frail veldt
and youre left with this flaming pile of garbage
mighty pivot
they should just use different tuning for m+ and be done with it
quaint mauve
i love coming back to dawnbreaker 1st boss
mighty pivot
it's messy of course (pvp values still seem weird)
quaint mauve
just for her to be ALREADY in a circle
fathom bramble
I don't like the idea of a lot of my skills changing in function between pieces of content
mighty pivot
but they clearly cannot balance m+ and raid at the same time
cinder relic
I don't like the idea of a lot of my skills changing in function between pieces ...
Ion said this back in sl as well
fathom bramble
this is something that still frustrates me about pvp
but it feels like a necessary evil in pvp where the engagements are so different from pve
frail veldt
I don't like the idea of a lot of my skills changing in function between pieces ...
same yeah
its enough to learn the game
its ridiculous to have the game be that different between content
mighty pivot
they also already have different tuning for m+ for some abilities (like healer CDs scaling significantly if they hit only few targets)
magic shuttle
Restless cdr being different in pvp is (including feint and evasion cdr talent) quite the annoyance
cinder relic
That's not like, "my spell does more damage when I zone into a dhngeon"
fathom bramble
it could still kick in in raid under the right conditions lol
also it can be cleanly put in the actual spell tooltip
while pvp adjustments are all hidden
mighty pivot
I think it's based on group size not actual targets being hit
frail veldt
Restless cdr being different in pvp is (including feint and evasion cdr talent) ...
bro its so bad
and theyre gona forget about it
and outlaw is just gona suffer
fathom bramble
idk
frail veldt
for season after season
fathom bramble
I would assume this works off of the targets actually being hit with it
frail veldt
idk
yeah but that doesnt change how the ability "works" really
right
its still an aoe healing cd
magic shuttle
Shout-out to bladeflurry cleaving for 70% baseline in pvp during sl
And then it was like 50% in pve
mighty pivot
I would assume this works off of the targets actually being hit with it
looks like it yes, just a normal soft cap
fathom bramble
and obviously this is meant to allow druids to actually have a good healing cd in dungeons
but it is done in a way that isn't horrible like pvp auras
and idk how you replicate that to M+ tuning without effecting raid since it's not quite as simple
glass mortar
i dont super mind it tbh, it can make tuning for the game between content types alot easier, i do think if they do these things the game should very clearly state the differences somewhere obvious when ur doing the content tho
like pvp should have its own tab where it tells you how ur abilities are modified (if they are heavily) for pvp
mighty pivot
well the tooltips update
glass mortar
the numbers on it maybe, and even then its not consistent
mighty pivot
it's just not visible in non-pvp content how they will be modified
fathom bramble
except when they randomly don't
mighty pivot
blizzard tooltips 
glass mortar
yea they do that for some tooltips but there is very little consitency on tooltip accuracy in this game
fathom bramble
or only change the tooltip on the buff on your character, but not on the actual spell
glass mortar
its a very basic system that even veteran wow players know better then to trust, and that lack of trust is blizzards fault
this game needs a major tooltip cleanup
and to get the tooltip worders all on the same page for consistency in mechanics and whatnot
mighty pivot
their tooltips are horrible in general. Too vague sometimes, other times they just lie
glass mortar
i understand how we got here tho the games just been one continous churn of individuals/teams iterating on specs at different times over 20 years
i didnt take the vers haste m+ neck in my vault last week and opted for my last mythic tier slot instead
rewarded for my choices 
🤤
daring oxide
grats
keen belfry
2.6miil..
keen belfry
my rings are just tilting me
keen belfry
how much gold do u have
like 2.6 but id just buy some more
daring oxide
What’s the addon that shows iLvl range and crests
open character sheet and go to currency tab
spare lake
Aren’t bis rings supposed to be crafted
keen belfry
keen belfry
Aren’t bis rings supposed to be crafted
bis lists arent a thing
daring oxide
BIS is whatever your heart desires
spare lake
It’s still a somewhat outline to shoot for - no? I mean it’s pretty fluent yea I get that but something to look at going into my 3rd week of retail
tender wedge
BiS is a feeling in your bones
daring oxide
like 2.6 but id just buy some more
swipe away
spare lake
open character sheet and go to currency tab
Nah like how when u scroll over an item it shows u the iLvl range and crests to upgrade em
ocean lodge
guys
daring oxide
Nah like how when u scroll over an item it shows u the iLvl range and crests to ...
no idea
rotund token
Should we pick sin for loot to try and get that m+ dagger ? Not sure about it.
glass mortar
i mean crafted rings have no special qualities unless u have ur embellishments on them
ocean lodge
how do i convince RL to give me loom trinket over the classes that are actually good
glass mortar
Should we pick sin for loot to try and get that m+ dagger ? Not sure about it.
if u already have a 723 mh sure
daring oxide
how do i convince RL to give me loom trinket over the classes that are actually ...
outdps them
glass mortar
20 ilvl on both ur rings probably worth 0.69% dps
spare lake
awang what addon
ocean lodge
outdps them
I do that, it doens't work
glass mortar
but if ur rich do it awangangang
spare lake
Shows that
glass mortar
gotta move the economy somehow
ocean lodge
everyone above me has it kekw
glass mortar
i wouldnt buy for that price
keen belfry
awang what addon
ithink some WA
rotund token
if u already have a 723 mh sure
Got the shit one from raid, haste/mastery fist
daring oxide
I do that, it doens't work
join better guild
spare lake
Okok
ocean lodge
join better guild
real af
glass mortar
then no real reason to open as outlaw loot spec sure
unless u really wanna try for a slightly better stated mh
which would be a very marginal upgrade
cinder relic
It’s still a somewhat outline to shoot for - no? I mean it’s pretty fluent yea I...
Bis is bis when you have bis. If your spec is expected to get x haste and y vers and z crit, and let's say you get a crazy vault neck that isn't bis, you can craft for different stats, or a different ring is better now etc
spare lake
I mean why would u buy a ring u can craft better unless im smol brain that ring has no extra effects ?
glass mortar
the crafted rings arent better
cinder relic
3 extra ilvls
glass mortar
why would they be they are lower ilvl
spare lake
I guess 723 iLvl
rotund token
Thanks
ocean lodge
I have the loom dagger already so might as well open as outlaw
glass mortar
they r probably very very close tho
but i like making rich people spend their money so
do it awang
spare lake
If u have some extra resources and shit rings or something surely doesn’t hurt to craft a piece - not comparable to awang’s question tho
And 2.6m 💸
glass mortar
if i was gunna spend over 1m on a ring id be shooting for the pure vers one tho
none of this weak mixed stat stuff
spare lake
True
keen belfry
i have a pure vers ring equipped rn!
keen belfry
yee
glass mortar
so ur already budgeted for a pure vers ring
cant upgrade it until u get another
!
mighty pivot
just be lucky with vault 
glass mortar
true
skip over one of the good necks from ur vault because you know ur gunna get the better one next week
its just that easy
waxen scarab
any outlaw buff thats gonna let me play last boss?
cinder relic
Think it's physically impossible to buff outlaw to be good on that fight
vestal notch
echo whale
Hello guys, how us outlaw in high m+ content ?
green elm
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
inland cairn
i wanna find it now
tropic zephyr
vivid vessel
that head chain going crazy
gaunt phoenix
we might purposefully dispatch over bte when tails is active
inland cairn
no please
mighty pivot
28 heads in a row... it must be about as good as like 4 tails in a row 
brought to you by the FB balancing gang
copper radish
Do you guys have an inner monologue or is it just blank? Idk what I’d do if I didn’t have an inner monologue
mighty pivot
but does it have a french accent
copper radish
Like I can’t comprehend someone that doesn’t have one. Do u just sit in silence all day with no thoughts lol
proven ocean
Zac
proven ocean
Fuck you, zac
copper radish
Def true
inland cairn
so i did a boost today
proven ocean
What voice u guys talking about
inland cairn
and that 28 heads
copper radish
Doesn’t even know what a monologue is
proven ocean
vivid vessel
the one in your head cuh
proven ocean
?!
gaunt phoenix
do cats have thoughts
proven ocean
What the helly
copper radish
Do u talk to urself in ur head
proven ocean
do cats have thoughts
i think this one
copper radish
Like full blown conversation
vivid vessel
do cats have thoughts
animals dreams
mighty pivot
they have an inner meownologue
gaunt phoenix
that one is thinking
vivid vessel
so i would think its the same shit right
gaunt phoenix
true
proven ocean
copper radish
I wonder if their inner monologue is meows or if they do it in English now
inland cairn
copper radish
<:Ew:1374814925016399882>
Holy cliff
mighty pivot
my cats don't know english they are noobs
copper radish
https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-water-stupid-tap-gif-27243250
Ur monologue right there in gif format
copper radish
I thought that was gonna go south rq
tropic zephyr
https://tenor.com/view/cat-licking-water-stupid-tap-gif-27243250
he put on head but he dont put on tongue
gaunt phoenix
maybe
mighty pivot
that balloon cat is just sad to watch
tropic zephyr
https://tenor.com/view/black-cat-lick-kedikizx-gif-1539313334602174067
why is the cat eating jake
vivid vessel
proven ocean
vivid vessel
jake paul?
proven ocean
vivid vessel
isnt that the youtuber
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
mighty pivot
do you guys think they will announce anything of significance tomorrow or will it be just a repeat of gamescom with some minor spice
tropic zephyr
yes
proven ocean
severe drift
do you guys think they will announce anything of significance tomorrow or will i...
the cake is a lie
tropic zephyr
yellow elastic guy
vivid vessel
do you guys think they will announce anything of significance tomorrow or will i...
ye just systemns and shit
mighty pivot
spam the Q&A with outlaw questions 
severe drift
it's wednesday here
inland cairn
is it possible to not get any coins by a bug?
mighty pivot
yes coins sometimes disappear
mighty pivot
it happens
gaunt phoenix
link
gaunt phoenix
u were trickster
vivid vessel
ye
mighty pivot
that's one way to not get coins
mighty pivot
but they also sometimes stop working so 
tropic zephyr
gaunt phoenix
nut
vivid vessel
where my coins
inland cairn
tbh
mighty pivot
I get confused when I cannot coup as FB
smoky lotus
if only trickster ST wasnt 8% behind
gaunt phoenix
i think its more than that now
vivid vessel
12
mighty pivot
even with the FB bugs?
inland cairn
i think its more than that now
cus of ghostly strike stuff?
inland acorn
You'll be racing with tanks either way
gaunt phoenix
oh
inland acorn
how do i level up from 60-80
Spam dungeons
copper radish
oh
hmmmmm how can we cook a ST trick build within 1%
gotta be some way right??? lol
gaunt phoenix
that seems unlikely
copper radish
my glass is half full today i guess
mighty pivot
you uncook FB enough to drop 7%
inland acorn
I mean it's only 8%
mighty pivot
8% of already poor ST
inland acorn
It's not like going FB, will make you stop competing with tanks
So might as well play w/e
gaunt phoenix
yo we sim like shit now
actually beating my sim im so good
copper radish
ew.... i get boots frrom vault and they myth track and 0 heroic interlopers.. just some rando hero level raid boots RIP
mighty pivot
I hope they will never create another boots situation like the current one again
gaunt phoenix
Wdym
spare lake
thoughts?
copper radish
they should have just put interlopers on every1s cata conversion and given a token for tier boot apperances
spare lake
keen belfry
solo how do i play destro?
spare lake
u no robot
mighty pivot
champion interloper boots being better than mythic pure stat boots, yet those still exist in the loot table
gaunt phoenix
you can put 2 sockets in your rings
inland cairn
solo how do i play destro?
spare lake
should i get the ring?
gaunt phoenix
would prefer mythic tier
dawn talon
solo how do i play destro?
dont loes uptime and hit ur buttons
the spec plays itself if u arent losing gcds
gaunt phoenix
isn't destro 1 button fairly close to what you should be doing
keen belfry
ok im levleing to 80
copper radish
theatre troupe for an ez spark cause it started within 10min lol
copper radish
ok im levleing to 80
use that midnight level 80 boost
mighty pivot
buying midnight before they announce the removal of outlaw 
copper radish
why u gotta put it that way lol
mighty pivot
3k repair costs saved right there
junior coral
Damn, just went to buy Pokemon cards… first time in like 2+ years. Was gonna buy a box or 2… yea ok, 270$ for one is wild
quaint mauve
3k repair costs saved right there
your guild doesnt pay it?
spare lake
no guild
mighty pivot
no we are poor
mighty pivot
outlaw stonks are down rn
wintry solar
No they're sunk
mighty pivot
hello popo
wintry solar
Hello
mighty pivot
are you here to troll again
wintry solar
Again?
mighty pivot
you already forgot the mayhem you caused earlier?
wintry solar
In my defense, I didn't know hating subt and uhuh was such a hot take all of a sudden
I didn't get the email my b
mighty pivot
you are forgiven
wintry solar
Really?
indigo token
yuh
wintry solar
Interesting
mighty pivot
wordle in 4 popo
indigo token
why
mighty pivot
Wordle 1564 3/6
⬛⬛⬛🟦⬛
🟧⬛🟧⬛⬛
🟧🟧🟧🟧🟧
I got 0 first try, 2 second, and 0 (new ones) on the third. Bad rtb roll
wintry solar
Someone in my server was throwing a hissy fit because he was losing so bad
mighty pivot
losing so bad in what
wintry solar
His strategy is if he finds a letter, he guesses a word that doesn't contain said letter in hopes to get rid of the others
A really bad process of elimination
He has lost the most in that server and he refuses to change his strategy
mighty pivot
that doesn't even work for hard mode
mighty pivot
10k
wintry solar
Huge loss
frail veldt
I hope they will never create another boots situation like the current one again
saaaaaaaaaaame
elder phoenix
not huge but still a loss
mighty pivot
you will never recover from that
frail veldt
current boots is so fucking lame
im just playing the game with 2-3% less dps than other people for one item
shy bobcat
hey fellas. gearing my outlaw atm, can either pull a myth belt or myth pacemaker to replace my hero so'leah's. How is pacemaker for Outlaw? Would it likely be replaced by the hero trink from EcoDome? Am I better taking the belt as it wont be replaced ever, even though it sims less now?
inland cairn
im just playing the game with 2-3% less dps than other people for one item
my guild has dropped 2 pairs of leather boots the entire tier
frail veldt
hey fellas. gearing my outlaw atm, can either pull a myth belt or myth pacemaker...
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
frail veldt
this has trinket sims in it
shy bobcat
oh mint
wintry solar
that doesn't even work for hard mode
What's hard mode in wordle?
frail veldt
our top trinkets are sigil, antenna/idol/warpclaw for m+
prob antenna and idol beat warpclaw
but sigil is for sure our top iirc
inland cairn
i dont mean bad output
lime lake
What's hard mode in wordle?
you do it in sindarin
mighty pivot
What's hard mode in wordle?
???? I thought you were playing hard mode
inland cairn
having to rely on trinkets for uncapped damage 
frail veldt
having to rely on trinkets for uncapped damage <a:playdeadflash:1374860122240585...
yeeeeup
trinkets or a veteran track offhand
take your pick
inland cairn
im not using that
wintry solar
What I do is if I guess a letter position, I only guess words with letters in that position.
mighty pivot
hard mode forces you to use the guessed letters in that position
elder phoenix
wait not 10k
wintry solar
Yeah ofc
wintry solar
It bothers me if I dont
mighty pivot
I think it's more fun like that
elder phoenix
is the sims showing the 3.5% bug with fatebound now?
wintry solar
I agree
glass mortar
i lost like 116k dps
Realz messing with ur secret rtb seed that raidbots can pick up on
glass mortar
U know what u did bozo
mighty pivot
with my initial statement or with me changing my mind?
mighty pivot
is the sims showing the 3.5% bug with fatebound now?
yes it was implemented 3 days ago
wintry solar
Doing that
wintry solar
https://tenor.com/view/shrek-pinocchio-maybe-maybenot-gif-18872614
Yeah so what are you going to do?
mighty pivot
same thing I've been planning to do already. Finish today's Pips and then sleep to wake up to the best vault possible tomorrow
wintry solar
Is it still more fun like that?
glass mortar
wintry solar
same thing I've been planning to do already. Finish today's Pips and then sleep ...
And then you wake up for real
elder phoenix
yes it was implemented 3 days ago
oh that make sense then why the dps droped by like 100k +
wintry solar
So what's happening tomorrow?
There's suppose to be a bunch of dev overviews or something?
elder phoenix
nothing that will affect outlaw
glass mortar
What's happening is there is a 100% chance (based on outlaw chat) that our hot rework info is dropping tomorrow
elder phoenix
prpobably
glass mortar
What's actually happening is probably nothing
glass mortar
wintry solar
No there's something happening tomorrow and then Alpha on Thursday
smoky lotus
this seasons still another 5 months, surely they have to do some tuning
inland cairn
wintry solar
Guess I'll find out tomorrow
mighty pivot
be here in 16 hours popo
wintry solar
Being employed sucks ngl
Maybe one day I'll wake up and it's 2011 again
And my friend Jacob invites me to his house to play black ops zombies on the ps3
mighty pivot
mighty pivot
And my friend Jacob invites me to his house to play black ops zombies on the ps3
real or imaginary friend?
copper radish
prayer for 691 cudgel on this next event
smoky lotus
is a 691 cudgel still good against myth track turbo offhand?
frank bane
red zinc
What's actually happening is probably nothing
Yeah tomorrow is very possible there will be nothing
Maybe they leak out some apex talents early
But nothing indepth till alpha goes live / patch notes
If rogue isnt in there then its joever
strong halo
dumb question i guess
how do u gem / enchant to haste cap
when u use cudgel offhand
like do you aim for haste cap without cudgel or with cudgel
glass mortar
generally weapons dont swing the haste that much in either direction
i try to get my non cudgel setup to 12600 haste if i cant and then when u swap to cudgel throw the haste/crit mana oil on it
to make up for the haste loss
can also throw that oil on ur other weapon if it also drops ur haste
with my current setup i use mana oil on cudgel and stone (or wax) on my ST oh swap
and it puts me at 12600/12500 haste respectively
strong halo
i ahve the opposite issue i guess
where im like over with cudgel
and at cap without cudgel
glass mortar
its not like cudgels gunna put u far over tho
unless all the haste on it is wasted
even then its not the biggest deal
u could optimize and drop ur haste level a bit and use mana oils to optimize it better but who tf wants to do that
fervent nest
Is Outlaw good yet?
brave lagoon
fervent nest
harsh forge
vault did not dissapoint today lads
wintry solar
No there's something happening tomorrow and then Alpha on Thursday
a deep dive and dev Q&A
cinder relic
thursday or tomorrow?
frank finch
2marowe deep dive
slate forge
still need so many crests
frank finch
thursday alpha
wintry solar
thursday or tomorrow?
tomorrow
I heard someone say "on the morrow" today and it threw me off the way they said it unironically
an old fella but still. Thats ancient
shell dust
wintry solar
they said theyre going over devourer and some other classes/specs so we'll see if Outlaw gets talked about. I'm sure with the amount of talk with the removal of wounds for unholy, thats getting talked about too.
cinder relic
I doubt they go over class changes
thats like a more specific thing
Like they will talk about devourer cuz its new
But like, I doubt they talk about a rework to any individual spec
runic gulch
vault did not dissapoint today lads
Juicy
strong halo
how come when i sim embelishments its not showing as a variable option?
wintry solar
But like, I doubt they talk about a rework to any individual spec
they said in that interview theyre going over classes with the bigger changes but it is possible they changed their mind for reasons unknown. I wouldnt put it past them.
theyve done it before
red zinc
I doubt they go over class changes
Same time they could just post patch notes early too
dont know till we see
tomorro 
wintry solar
that sounds very realistic
Tob said he could speed the passage of time
I guess only for emergencies idk
red zinc
I cant sleep cause i got a massive migraine but i want to sleep so i fast forward to vault opening
shits fucked up
wintry solar
what an evil fucked up world you live in tbh
random stirrup
erm you already have 2 embellishments 🤓
so you have no viable alternative gearsets
strong halo
im so tired im getting dumber by the second
wintry solar
venmo them money
glass mortar
so you have no viable alternative gearsets
tfw you get mewod by raidbots
smoky lotus
"thats my bis" but louder than everyone else
ocean lodge
"thats my bis" but louder than everyone else
how does one screech louder than a warrior and two dks
wintry solar
how does one screech louder than a warrior and two dks
when you figure it out lmk please, my current situtation these last few weeks
I should get free stuff as a gm/raid lead
ocean lodge
tfw you're top dps but only because your only competition sucks
wintry solar
real
its a good thing I love my friends
otherwise I'd never play with them again
I remember that one season I got plastered playing outlaw and blasted right past my assa friend in a dungeon. I remember him going "whoa whoa whoa how are you doing that?" and my response was me yelling like a pirate. I think that was the same dungeon I fell asleep in the middle of boss fights
either sleeping or I was blacking out
I never died
god I love outlaw