outlaw

[random stirrup]

I got u cuh

[mighty pivot]

Head empty is your default state

[torpid fiber]

I think if our heads weren't empty we couldn't play outlaw

[copper radish]

Buffs?

[worldly shale]

Wym mistake

Thats how u say it

[mighty pivot]

[junior coral]

If they are boring and just give an aura buff, what yall need to be satisfied lol

[worldly juniper]

Uncapped bf 🙂

[covert kestrel]

i mean the real question is what happens on thursday with midnight alpha, this season is a wash already

[vivid vessel]

10%

take it or leave it

[covert kestrel]

blizz: "we leave it"

[proven ocean]

It’ll stay shit even after a big “10%”

It needs 20% buffs

[vivid vessel]

make it 30

[proven ocean]

Either 20% or keep it as it is why not

Its already fucked

It’ll only be 10% less fucked

No cappy

[vestal notch]

Wouldnt u guys prefer a prio/st buff

like whats the point lf cleave spec if your prio is shit

[inland acorn]

I will take anytbing at this point

Because currently I'm not sure if Blizzard is even aware rogues exist

[vestal notch]

They do

they just added truesight to everything but themselves

So they cant see us

[vivid vessel]

i want ks to be fixed yes

[vestal notch]

No silly

it was just reworked

[vivid vessel]

ye

rework it again

its a failure

[inland acorn]

rework of a rework

[vestal notch]

it doesnt kill you anymore

but it doesnt kill enemy mobs either

[copper radish]

Buffs?

[mighty pivot]

20% aura buff or baguette swords. You have to choose

[cinder haven]

Did a funny stat weight sim, outlaw vs havoc on 10t

Havoc has 4 stats that give over 200 per point

Outlaw had 3 at around 150 as the best ones

This was my geared outlaw vs not really geared havoc too

I guess it’ll get worse with more ilvls too

[frail veldt]

Wild

I kinda thought it would be more different

But I guess 33% is a lot

[cinder haven]

Probably the more overall stats you get the bigger it will get

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i do +10 keys and hc raids wow not competitive omg!

No cappy!

[thorn river]

U have really grown if u can do that already

So proud of u

[copper radish]

33% I hate that number lmao

[strong halo]

@vivid vessel why did u buy belt insted of crafting?

what else we need to craft other than ring

[thorn river]

Slacking ilvl itema

[frail veldt]

Lol why

[thorn river]

Items*

[strong halo]

well i guess belt has more vers

than craft

[thorn river]

Belt gets nerfed anyway when turbo boost arrives

[copper radish]

Cause that was the pvp nerf to fatebound coin damage that completely neutered outlaw in all walks of content for me lol

[frail veldt]

Ah

[copper radish]

10-15 stacks of tails coin in pvp went from like 3mil a coin to a mill if that 😂

[fair iron]

why did they start adding %damage buffs behind renown...ffs

[cinder relic]

To soft Nerf the raid as time goes on

[vestal notch]

Its a way of giving power and make the raid easier rather than nerfing

[copper radish]

Blizz “no more added power after shadowlands” also blizz “here is this ring, this belt, this cape, oh and % buffs to raids thru renown”

[gaunt phoenix]

The issue is it being tied to renown i.e killing bosses

so on reset day

you have to fuck around and get this renown

instead of progging

or what have you

it should just happen idk

[frail veldt]

sounds like more than 33%

[dawn talon]

idk i dont really have a problem with it, i just go heal lfr or something

[frail veldt]

thats a bad system though

maybe its intentional to force palyers to do the lower difficulties?

either way it feels awful

[dawn talon]

thats how i see it

and when i think of it like that i dont mind tbh

[frail veldt]

how about dont force players to do that lol

[vivid vessel]

Free guilded

And I bought hands

Crafted *

[fair iron]

yeah, it should just be purely time-gated and automatically granted. pretty bad application imo

i just came back and see the final reward of +15% damage in the raid zone (i dont think anyone is capped yet(?)) but still jesus

[cinder relic]

U can only get 1 renown a week

[frail veldt]

I thought there was a catchup?

like you can get more than 1 if youre behind

or are you actually just fucked

[keen belfry]

I still can’t fathom people that got the augment rune weeks ago

[red zinc]

Ye you just keep attaining

Till cap

[frail veldt]

its wild to me

how many hours of work it is

to get that

[keen belfry]

I’m like 15-16 I think

[frail veldt]

rofl im like 8

[keen belfry]

Ok ur cooked

[frail veldt]

eh ill still have it before season ends

[cinder relic]

I got it like 2 weeks ago lol

[vivid vessel]

You are never getting that cuh

[red zinc]

People have enough damage to time keys anyway and you will get free augment runes for raid

[keen belfry]

I was 8 week 1

[cinder relic]

Dark moon fair + quests

[red zinc]

I am not rep farming

[frail veldt]

I will not do any more than the weekly dungeon quest

lol

[keen belfry]

Did u even do the quests in the area week 1

[vivid vessel]

You aint getting it before the end of the season

[frail veldt]

I did

[vivid vessel]

My guy

[red zinc]

Those augment runes that dont expire on death should be in like

Two weeks

From raid renown

[keen belfry]

I think next reset

[red zinc]

big

[vivid vessel]

What's that

[keen belfry]

But it’s 3-6 consumable ones

[red zinc]

you get 3x 1h augment runes from killing soul hunters

Guaranteed

that dont expire

when you die

[vivid vessel]

Weird

[keen belfry]

It’s hearty food basically

Basically 3-6 hours a week of augment rune

[zinc briar]

where is our buff? still damage of a tank?

[red zinc]

You hadnt complained about no buff in a while welcome back

one day he will post a message that isnt a complaint, i believe

[vivid vessel]

Yo tim

How you doing cuh

[covert kestrel]

at least he's living true to his prof pic

[red zinc]

Bad

Evening exam today

[hasty warren]

as sin, swapping for anti heal poison for hoa miniboss is good or it's a too big damage lose ?

[red zinc]

I LOVE DOING STATISTICS AT 9:30 PM

[covert kestrel]

as sin

[vivid vessel]

Nice bro

[vivid vessel]

as sin

[hasty warren]

what with sin

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/itysl-gif-9601382266643672112

[hasty warren]

u pref assa ?

[red zinc]

This is the outlaw/bm hunter channel

[hasty warren]

ppl on sin channel are scary

[covert kestrel]

good go face your fears

[hasty warren]

can u hold my hand during this ?

[covert kestrel]

no i removed the assa channel from my discord so i cant go to it

[hasty warren]

[red zinc]

[gaunt phoenix]

[jolly geyser]

[red zinc]

Only thing i want from the rework is more new ability icons to glorpify

Sorry i mean

“the rework”

[covert kestrel]

no more :RestlessGlorp:

[red zinc]

the rework

[muted crest]

[craggy quiver]

717 otl sims 5.2m my 710 huntard sims 5.6m

[covert kestrel]

BM hunter tc 3 weeks after the season began
https://tenor.com/view/rock-lee-weights-naruto-chunin-exams-flex-gif-26433140

[lime lake]

[hasty warren]

why bm

fck bm

[muted crest]

I’ve been an OTP my whole life, never really enjoyed playing multiple characters. I’m too lazy to learn, level and gear up new ones. But now that Outlaw feels kinda weak... I picked up an Evoker and wow… even with low gear it blasts so hard

[real falcon]

Same. But I just swap between rogue specs lol

[muted crest]

i hate both

refuse to play with dagger

[lime lake]

Guys I need the cat riding a horse someone halp

[proven ocean]

dark ranger apl incident

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[jolly geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/747561446539395205/1422262167914283190/RDT_20250929_194125.mp4?ex=68dc085d&is=68dab6dd&hm=bea934daa2058073221c6e8adc3185a0122d1fd45845239833d56fe752fe431e&

[unkempt heath]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[copper radish]

Dead channel for a dead spec 😭

[craggy quiver]

Solo save us

[rotund zodiac]

[buoyant cosmos]

So today is the day they announce our buffs(BF nerf) right?

[proven ocean]

new trading post

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

ye i saw

kinda looks crazy no

the horse armor

i like a lot

[proven ocean]

ye

its crazy good

[glass mortar]

ur crazy good

😠

[lilac jungle]

is Sleight of Hand better than Thief's Versatility in m+ from a certain stage of versatility ? in sims it is a little lower for me, but i see logs with Sleight of Hand higher than those with Versa .... is Sleight of Hand still undersim ?

[wintry solar]

Meanie

Don't talk to me again

[glass mortar]

it doesnt undersim i dont think its ever mathematically been the better choice

people like it more

[gentle crag]

can we close this discord channel if we don't get buffed please

[glass mortar]

not like it loses in sims by alot

[lilac jungle]

yeah i like it more too

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/daring-today-are-we-spongebob-squidward-gif-22508233

[gaunt phoenix]

it does undersim slightly

[quaint mauve]

qol easier rolling rules no?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's not easier rules

[quaint mauve]

hmmm

[slate forge]

Gotta roll based on vibes of when you will get a good bug and get extra buffs

[copper radish]

That’s pretty good beats the last couple we had

[gaunt phoenix]

i want the purple parrot again

the rest

stinky

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-it-smells-bad-it-stinks-eww-gif-16170064380484795710

[copper radish]

They should do a helm mog where ur headless and holding the pumpkin head

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/that-is-a-good-idea-pointing-good-idea-gif-15045940

[dire quiver]

is there a way to make a audio que for ace up your sleeve procs?

[frail veldt]

That horse is sick

[wintry solar]

That's funny

[copper radish]

I imagine it as. Out of combat u remove ur head and hold it. In combat put ur head back on. If they did that 🔥

[wintry solar]

Because horses are notoriously unhealthy

[covert kestrel]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[covert kestrel]

Ace refund sound trigger^

[copper radish]

Funny dad joke

[frail veldt]

Idgi

[wintry solar]

Ngmi

[dire quiver]

amazing, thank you!

[wintry solar]

What's wrong with the default one?

What's wrong with the best sound in the game?

Hm?

[copper radish]

Blizz made it that’s what’s wrong

[wintry solar]

That's not an acceptable answer

That's just bias in the way of objective reality

[cinder haven]

Are we feeling hopeful today?

[copper radish]

I wish it had the vanilla gun sound on it

[wintry solar]

Meeeee

[cinder haven]

Or only doom?

[wintry solar]

We can doom tomorrow

[copper radish]

Glass is halfway but is it half full or half empty

[frail veldt]

It's too quiet

[wintry solar]

When we actually have something to doom about

[frail veldt]

You can't adjust it's sound

Relative to other sounds

So it's effectively useless

[copper radish]

Not one tuning change in what 2 weeks

[wintry solar]

Yall are old

[cinder haven]

A bit yeah

[wintry solar]

Not you

You're exempt

[copper radish]

There’s an addon that replaces gun sounds on Hunter to the vanilla ones…. Gotta be a way to replace ace sounds

[frail veldt]

It's full it's half liquid half air

Duh

[copper radish]

Bro I started playing this game at 12 and that was 21 years ago…..

[frail veldt]

Wouldn't matter cuz again you couldn't adjust the sound level still lol

[cinder haven]

Is anything really truly empty?

[frail veldt]

I am yes

[worldly shale]

chat

im getting freezes

on some bosses casts

like

what the fuck

it lasts for 5 seconds

[copper radish]

Like brain freezes from slushies?

[cinder haven]

It’s text to speech

[worldly shale]

exacly

my game drinks a slushie

[cinder haven]

There’s been something weird with tts lately

[worldly shale]

whenever a cast goes out

ok its random

but it happened twice on loom yday

[wintry solar]

Since 5

[worldly shale]

and today in a dung

[copper radish]

Tbh I’ve noticed a lot of lag that doesn’t feel like it’s from my end and it’s usually with casts

[wintry solar]

21 years ago

[cinder haven]

Y’all are not listening

[worldly shale]

its def not my hardware

[cinder haven]

I give up

[worldly shale]

i might want to reinstall wow clean

[copper radish]

I was on vanilla beta before they changed undead to humanoid…. I’m that old lol

[worldly shale]

and get only the shit i need

i think i got like 40 addons

and like 30 wa

like im stacked

[worldly shale]

donate, its a subathon

[copper radish]

Blizz breaks everything and fixes whatever pleases them

[worldly shale]

im not doing it for free

[copper radish]

🤔

[quaint mauve]

auto driving cars r lowkey amazing

[copper radish]

30 weak auras???? wtf u running a super computer

[quaint mauve]

once i jailbreak this thing to play wow on the dashboard

it’s over for yall

[cinder haven]

Seriously though, if the freeze comes at the same time as some text to speech ability announcement you should look into that

[quaint mauve]

surely 30 is overkill

[cinder haven]

Idk what the fix is tho

[quaint mauve]

30 packs or overall???

[copper radish]

About to delete all my weak auras and disable text to speech if possible lol

One of my WAs announces raid abilities

[cinder haven]

30 WAs ain’t much

[copper radish]

I have like 6 weak auras lol

[wintry solar]

What do you need that many for?

[cinder haven]

Wdym need

[worldly shale]

ok i might have lied lemme check

[quaint mauve]

i’m play with zac pack , tww m* pack and northern sky

[worldly shale]

but im running 7800x3d

with an rx 7900 xt

[cinder haven]

I make WAs for fun

Unnecessary shit

[copper radish]

Are they still taking weak auras from us in midnight

[worldly shale]

i mean

it is 31

but some are so small

its unnoticable

[cinder haven]

Mostly to get sound cues for stuff

[wintry solar]

I don't track UB buff. I get it when I get it.

I either get it or I dont

50/50

[quaint mauve]

no popo

bad popo

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/he-admit-it-admit-it-admit-omg-itysl-gif-18470746

[cinder haven]

First law of probabilities

[worldly shale]

should i reinstall wow boys

[wintry solar]

I don't track it anymore

[worldly shale]

and go raw

[cinder haven]

Na

[wintry solar]

It's dumb

[cinder relic]

Reinstalling wow helps

[wintry solar]

Idc anymore Guy. I'm at the whim of whatever happens happens

[worldly shale]

i didnt do it for like 2 years

so might actually help

[copper radish]

Bros just raw dogging WOW buffs

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-pookie-let-me-rub-your-tummy-picmix-preppy-cute-gif-715146331447934664

[cinder haven]

Customizable buff ui coming in midnight right?

[covert kestrel]

something like that

[cinder haven]

Only 20 years or so late

[worldly shale]

ok niche question

[cinder haven]

Better late than never though

[worldly shale]

does everyone use curseforge?

or is wowup a thing too

[vivid vessel]

im still beating the odds

[covert kestrel]

shoving tiny icons on the top right of your screen isnt intuitive?

[covert kestrel]

both are things

[worldly shale]

😮

[cinder haven]

It’s a bit weird tbh

Almost everyone seem to be beating the odds

[covert kestrel]

except solo

[cinder haven]

Can we have some unlucky screenshots please

To put my mind at ease

[gaunt phoenix]

that guy with 7100 rolls was a bit below the odds

not below. nearly exactly 7% total

497 out of 7102

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/tim-robinson-netflix-the-characters-funny-betting-gif-20291050

[gaunt phoenix]

stats is fun

[covert kestrel]

itll be fun for the next 3 days until we hear how they are nuking RtB

[frail veldt]

7.3%????

I'm at 6.5% still

Man wtf

[frail veldt]

Not me

[gaunt phoenix]

noob ?

[frail veldt]

I'm at like 5.5% non LD and 6.5% with

Yeah I am noob

For sure

I press rtb wrong

Ig

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[copper radish]

This man doing some AI editing on these pics

[sly kraken]

having a major skill issue playing outlaw this season - does anyone know of and resources like VODs or anything to compare performance against?

[vivid vessel]

low roller

[gaunt phoenix]

compare to zac logs

and zac vod

[vivid vessel]

[wintry solar]

Comparison is the thief of joy

[gaunt phoenix]

tho it's a bit hard to look at logs/vod and discern what they are doing that you are not

unless it is an extreme error

[sly kraken]

im just doing way less overall than i am playing sub so im guessing an extrreme error - havent played outlaw anytime recently

ty tho will chekc it out

check*

[covert kestrel]

Well that also might be because sub is pretty good in keys rn and outlaw isn't

[wicked jacinth]

I've got a completly stupid ass question which im extremly sorry about from the get go but.

I came back to rogue after very long break from game in general, was swapping chars but rogue is my love. I generally enjoy playing every spec and currently I am playing sub but was wondering since both Outlaw and Sub are pretty even in "rankings" for the dps.

Is outlaw more consistent / less punished by chain pulls? Or is it completly unrelated and its just "play what u like more" case? I'm highly considering swapping to outlaw but can't decide

[red zinc]

No its not

I just walked out of this dogwater ass statistics exam

fuck my life im cooked

[lime lake]

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw generally doesnt care about chain pulls

sub idk

sub is a cooldown spec

you do infinite damage in cds and 0 damage outside it

[molten flicker]

Sub doesn’t care either unless you’re expecting the tank to drop combat for 6s between pulls

[wicked jacinth]

that is true, outlaw isnt that cooldown dependant?

[cinder haven]

and assa doesn't really care either

[gaunt phoenix]

outlaw's is just always pressing cds

every 17 seconds

[covert kestrel]

We are the flattest spec

[wicked jacinth]

gotcha, is dagger offhand fine on outlaw?

[cinder haven]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

[wicked jacinth]

oh, okay just read the pins, im a dumbass sorry

[gaunt phoenix]

Stop typing that

just ask

who cares

i dont

[copper radish]

Here’s a crazy idea. What if adrenaline didn’t fall off until you lost combat

[wicked jacinth]

so outlaw isnt as flashy on dps meters but very stable

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

well

yes

[wicked jacinth]

I heard also ppl complain about current state of outlaw, something to do with CP generation mostly. Haven't paid much attention yet since I was learning sub for the time being and im hardcore mastery stacked so need to swap stats a lot

[covert kestrel]

If you misplay you will be very stable on the negative end of meters

[red zinc]

real

[gaunt phoenix]

The current build in keys can have some bad rng

maybe a common complaint

[cinder haven]

it's hard work to make outlaw shine on meters, but can be done up to reasonable key levels

[red zinc]

man i got outdps’d by an outlaw as bm hunter

[gaunt phoenix]

in general you are kind of busting your ass to do tolerable dmg

[red zinc]

shits wild

[cinder haven]

we have some issues with poor ST in keys this season, but that is usually not the case

[covert kestrel]

But we love the grind here, doing way more work for way less reward cause we are built different

[gaunt phoenix]

The current build is very momentum heavy

[red zinc]

please no fotm rework next tier

im tryna gatekeep 🙏

[wintry solar]

By helping others?

[gaunt phoenix]

If you do poorly as KIR build you legit will just do nothing

[wintry solar]

Learn outlaw?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-sure-about-that-i-think-you-should-leave-with-tim-robinson-are-you-absolutely-certain-are-you-positive-can-you-verify-that-gif-10549268703103241949

[red zinc]

this channel stops having slightly funny moments when class becomes too good

cant have that

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/we-keep-our-circle-small-close-dont-trust-anyone-trust-issues-lets-make-this-work-gif-15549409

[wicked jacinth]

KIR build?

[gaunt phoenix]

our main build is called kir

keep it rolling

[wicked jacinth]

ah okay

well i need a good WA for the rolls then, I think I remember the icons but wont bet my hand on it

[gaunt phoenix]

!rtb

[wicked jacinth]

KS is a finisher now?

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[wicked jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/he-looks-strange-stunned-look-surprise-strange-gif-38708524106387845

[red zinc]

that is what im tryna do every date i go on

iykyk

[gaunt phoenix]

we use this weakaura to help discern the roll mechanics (it does not tell you ROLL NOW you still have to process the info)

[wicked jacinth]

oh the gif was to the part about killing spree being finisher 😄

[quaint mauve]

i feel that

KiR into KiR into KiR or i do nothing

it almost feels like

[copper radish]

If KIR was a finisher and gave buffs based off CPs would yall like it

They’d have to add another RTB buff for 7 CP finishers

[slate forge]

Super secret 7th buff is there we just need to find it

[wintry solar]

No

[copper radish]

Yeah it’s called “outlaw does negative dmg if you roll it”

[copper radish]

Elaborate

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/lucille-bluth-i-dont-understand-the-question-arrested-development-gif-24252267

[wicked jacinth]

did not expect both arakara and warpclaw to be better than pacemaker

[frail veldt]

I thought assa cared a lot cuz they get the AOE bleed spread and deathstalker mark

[wintry solar]

For starters, our finishers are designed to be used at 5cp and the extra are % increases. That's why KS gives full CP when used at 5.

Secondly it doesn't really do anything a decent rtb roll and cto procs can't fix.

It's just a finisher for the sake of having another finisher imo

[quaint mauve]

don’t u sit the 6s before opening anyways?

[frail veldt]

How would KiR even work with a supercharged cp

[covert kestrel]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[quaint mauve]

more time on buffs ig

[wintry solar]

But that's not what that KiR does

[molten flicker]

Yeah sometimes, if combat can be dropped

[near pewter]

hey yall

how do i make ambush replace SS

while its available

[cinder relic]

By dragging spells onto the bar

[copper radish]

Could think of some cool stuff. Crit buff goes to 100% or something lol

[quaint mauve]

wait supercharged buffs

holy shit

[wintry solar]

We probably don't need another finisher and we def don't need another builder

[near pewter]

talking about this

[wintry solar]

It does that on its own

When talented into Audacity

[near pewter]

i see

[icy cedar]

i used to have a seperate keybind when it was bugged

[smoky venture]

Where is the spreadsheet that shows what atrophic poison works on for raid

[quaint mauve]

this was a cook

i believe now

imagine supercharged broadside

[copper radish]

3 combo points or more a builder lol

[quaint mauve]

that actually seems fun

[copper radish]

What’s the extra sinister one? Imagine that proccing like 4x sinisters 😂

[gaunt phoenix]

there isn't one for this tier afaik

[smoky venture]

ty

[dawn talon]

it works on everything youd think it works on this tier mostly

[icy cedar]

if you shiv with atrophic does it reduce even more damage like how crippling + shiv makes things even slower?

[dawn talon]

so basically everything except araz, loomithar pylons, the dimensius thing, and a few nexus king mechanics

[cinder relic]

Doesn't work on dimmy winds and p2 gravity IIRC

But it works on basically everything

[dawn talon]

yeah

[cinder relic]

Yeah doesn't work on anything on forge

[copper radish]

How bout this. It gives 1 min duration on all buffs it gives too and if supercharged adds onto the buffs with specials

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel yo lil bro

[vivid vessel]

yo lil bro

[keen belfry]

i notice u really hit 2 vanishes charges

A LOT

are u trying to really play around pressing vanish after a coup

[vivid vessel]

ye

i am

I dont often hit 2 vanishes tho

its quite rare it happens

[keen belfry]

u kinda do

[vivid vessel]

no

[quaint mauve]

damnnnnn

[keen belfry]

yes

[quaint mauve]

he said you do

damnnnn

[vivid vessel]

no

[keen belfry]

im gonna kill him

in game

[icy cedar]

check the logs for 2 vanish charge up time

[copper radish]

Video proof so he don’t deny it

[vivid vessel]

i mean

i dont

tho

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-british-food-mods-low-tier-god-gif-9108075214677777615

[vivid vessel]

and sometimes i reach 2, but im still not losing cdr 97% of the times

[quaint mauve]

the proof is in the pudding

[vivid vessel]

you are just cooked

[quaint mauve]

i thought he was saying you press vanish twice

not over capping charges

[copper radish]

That’s 2 pie and mash no liquor for him

[covert kestrel]

JELLIED EELS ONLY

[copper radish]

Add the black pudding to that too

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel outlaw meet up in paris?

[keen belfry]

zachw ashed

[worldly shale]

french rap is gas btw

ousmane ballon doooor

ousmane baloon doooor

[wintry solar]

my hand itches

its so over

[covert kestrel]

Black pudding is goated tho

[copper radish]

Yeah no here’s the 🚪

[quaint mauve]

bro

its impossible to do anything with itchy hands

[lime lake]

Scratching

[wintry solar]

gnawing the palm of my hand rn

[copper radish]

I bet u got hair on ur knuckles

[wintry solar]

its all that testosterone

[wicked jacinth]

this calls for haste vers weapon craft is that correct? ^^

[copper radish]

Are these ur outlaw stats??

[quaint mauve]

ur haste is good

[copper radish]

Need to drop some mastery for verse

[quaint mauve]

yeah

not some

a lot

[copper radish]

All of it that’s not on tier items lol

[quaint mauve]

u want as little mastery as possible

[indigo token]

who was that guy that said rework on the 2nd

[wicked jacinth]

correct, straight out of swapping from sUB ;x

[copper radish]

@daring oxide

[indigo token]

ok

im keeping my eye on you

if we dont get a rework

on everyone here's soul

we will be banning you

[copper radish]

Vai said we were getting tuning a few weeks ago…. 👀

[indigo token]

yeah

hows that turning out

[copper radish]

Will let u know tomorrow

Or in a few days**

[icy cedar]

Outlaw will be the best dps

in Remix!

[covert kestrel]

Rework or shot out back, you decide!

[icy cedar]

replaced with in-law rogue

[copper radish]

Everything will be. Question is what kills the fastest. I’m going with DH is the ultimate remix machine. Movement speed inc on mastery. DH gonna be moving 400% speed

Instant Que as tank and just demolishing it all lol

[earnest sphinx]

!mistakes

[ornate heath]

Common errors for Outlaw -> see this answer in the FAQ.

[vivid vessel]

66% crit on bte

is that even possible

[molten flicker]

Did they have like 100% uptime on ruthless precision or something

[vivid vessel]

no thats me

its quite unlucky

to have that low crit chance on bte

[molten flicker]

Okay then yeah I suppose that makes sense. I just read the tooltip again and it’s +60% crit on bte

[copper radish]

Mines usually 90% at minimum

[molten flicker]

Very unluck

[random stirrup]

20% from gear + baseline, 20% from bte buff, 10% from trickster, was this like 20% rp uptime or something

[vivid vessel]

60% uptime

[random stirrup]

wait u noob

its grouped bte dispatch

surely bte crit rate is much higher

81%

still low

[daring oxide]

That’s fine feel free to beat me up and mute me

[daring oxide]

Yeah, unfortunately the devs are struggling to wrap their heads around the complicated bugs and fixes needed so just give them more time to do good quality work

It’ll come soon

Maybe midnight

[vivid vessel]

true

[copper radish]

Maybe Midnight as in tonight or the xpack

[lime lake]

[junior coral]

Just hope to have some buffs by midnight, I’ll take any midnight from here until… midnight

[covert kestrel]

Why fix bugs when you can just remove things and make everything simple

[copper radish]

U know what? Just delete the whole spec and start from scratch. No bugs

[lime lake]

this but unironically

[covert kestrel]

They're gonna delete all the fun stuff and keep the buns stuff

Can't wait til we're a cd spec and RtB is our cd

[copper radish]

U mean a mid range spec with guns

[reef ruin]

https://tenor.com/view/equilibrium-christian-bale-guns-gif-15531805

[warm parrot]

how do you check the pre key fuckery

[jolly geyser]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[wicked jacinth]

this damage split looks so obnoxious to look at xD

my dps though is completly ass so i have to be doign somethign very wrong

single target 2.5m 😢

[craggy quiver]

MG

I would advise you to look the outlaw faq

[gaunt phoenix]

Between the eyes should be way up there

Are you using vanish?

[wicked jacinth]

i did indeed but its confusing for me still with the rotation

[quaint mauve]

dude does your spec only press blade flurry

[gaunt phoenix]

real

[wicked jacinth]

time for dummy practice

[copper radish]

Once u replace mostly all ur mastery with verse it’ll get better

Want to be in the mid to high 30s on verse unbuffed

[junior coral]

I had a friend who I got into wow, say how easy it is for rogue to just push BF lol

I said yea you should play it, mad chill

[torpid heath]

wtf is that coin dmg

[heavy mason]

Yeah that's insane

Probably because his BtE damage is poor

Oh man I beat my sim dps on Frac

On progression

Feelsgreatman

[lucid sparrow]

would u take crit overlaod on disc belt

in dungeons

or only raid

[heavy mason]

Idk I have a crafted belt

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[untold yarrow]

u mean the 10 pulls or so you had befoer people turned monitors ona nd followed WA?

[untold yarrow]

belt is giga nerfed next week

[heavy mason]

More like people learned how to do defensives and stop standing in puddles

[untold yarrow]

how many pulls was it

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble dont vanish the stuns in p1 dimmy

you dont get vanish buff

[untold yarrow]

bug?

[heavy mason]

31

[untold yarrow]

idk how we got it in 10 - well 9, cuz one was a random ninja when everyone was afk. meanwhile loomithar is like 50? tf

and somehow that boss turns into a fiesta on reclears

idk

[heavy mason]

Because people play for logs and ignore the adds

[untold yarrow]

i dont even think so tbh

i think hunters will be a fiesta

tho

[worldly shale]

someone slide me wow settings plox

[heavy mason]

Yeah we're progging that one next

[untold yarrow]

yeah same bru

[heavy mason]

Its fun, If logs were open I would've been rank 50 for Outlaw with an 80 parse. That's how few of us are there

[worldly shale]

wait is alpha out?

oh no nvm its 11.2.5

[vivid vessel]

bro outlaw on dimensius

is not very fun

imma just say that

also

@gaunt phoenix

i swear to god

[frail veldt]

Make sure you don't make us look good

[vivid vessel]

its impossible

to play the coin things

on a boss like that

[frail veldt]

Lololol

[vivid vessel]

where you lose uptime

[frail veldt]

Fatebound rules

[vivid vessel]

delay vanish

etc

idk

[frail veldt]

Suck so much

[vivid vessel]

its all fake

idk

i dont believe in it

[frail veldt]

Just do the old rules

[vivid vessel]

you delay once and its all over gg

[frail veldt]

What's even the gain of the new rules over old?

[vivid vessel]

like idk

nothing line up anymore

also like

these 2 bosses

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

??

how do you parse

on these 2 shitters

its litteraly impossible

[copper radish]

By being locked in

[vivid vessel]

i was

araz is idk

i dont get it

maybe i need to do weird shit in intermission idk

im ngl

im kinda considering

trickster

on dimmy

[copper radish]

Just gotta figure out a trickster ST build that can pull within a 1% of FB’s ST build

[earnest sphinx]

yo pirate gang any recommendations where to start learning this spec

[vivid vessel]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

its 10% behind rn but

[earnest sphinx]

besides zacs stream

[vivid vessel]

ye idk

12%

kinda a lot

i think there was a guy

that did a video

if you arent a reader

i would read the faq tho

[earnest sphinx]

yea i went through

its too much to absorb i need to play it

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vivid vessel]

https://youtu.be/-edN3bbMg9o?si=EZKf4lhn9Nx6kbpw

[earnest sphinx]

my first dungeon was a disaster

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

outlaw is not easy at start

[earnest sphinx]

its so much dopamine when u shoot

i loev the sound

ty for vid bossmen

[tender wedge]

Isn’t araz 100% being allowed to hit the adds these days?

Most guilds are probably blasting them before you can get much flurry out

Plus as people gear up and fight goes longer you spend less time hitting the add wave at the end etc

[glass mortar]

noob

purple parsing on a pad boss what r our top players even doing

[frail veldt]

Oh nice is the vid good?

[vivid vessel]

tob said it was

i havent watched

[earnest sphinx]

nahhh but i got antenna from timewalking

and bis ring from my first run

this is the setup

[mighty pivot]

I think that vid had like 1-2 lies

[keen belfry]

if im beating a fury and bm in a priory, something has to be up right?

hands?

[vivid vessel]

they got no hands ye

my fury gaps me with like 4 less ilvl in priory

wont even talk about bm

[bright crane]

Talk about it

[vivid vessel]

this is a old run now but ye

[mighty pivot]

"your fury" more like you are "his outlaw" 🕉️

[bright crane]

Preach kween 💅

[keen belfry]

this was 18 psf we just missed by 20

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

Ngl monksea seems like the star

[red zinc]

bm hunter gotta lock in

[frail veldt]

Wtf is 7.4mil

That's disgusting

[vivid vessel]

monksea is carrying the fact im doing no damage ye

if they nerf brew we are in trouble

[frail veldt]

Honestly though

[red zinc]

if they nerf brew they are dumb

[frail veldt]

Are they though

7.4mil overall lololol

[red zinc]

its 1 guy doing it

who cares

[mighty pivot]

they will nerf brew the same patch they buff outlaw by 15%

[frail veldt]

Yeah fair

[copper radish]

BM hunter not spamming buttons or somethin

[frail veldt]

He's def pulling around his weapons of order af

[keen belfry]

monksea does the biggest gapping of all them i thikn

they all gap their spec counterparts

[frail veldt]

Fr fr

[keen belfry]

but i dont see anyone do what monksea does

hes so ass tho

so idk

maybe lucky?

[frail veldt]

Is there any monk doing even close to that?

[keen belfry]

no xd

[frail veldt]

Monksea is ass?

Wym

[keen belfry]

right zac?

[vivid vessel]

there isnt any other monk player

[keen belfry]

im trying to start drama

[red zinc]

he probably playing with ire + onuse dps trinket

idol or sumn

[copper radish]

maybe he is just a pro?

[vivid vessel]

poah isnt playing this season it seems

so like

[frail veldt]

He could know something

[copper radish]

secret monk tech

[vivid vessel]

second brew is litterlay kira

[frail veldt]

I've heard there's some secrets to the hero talent

[vivid vessel]

doing weeklies

on brew

[frail veldt]

Not being told

[vivid vessel]

ask him about tiger palm

[frail veldt]

His flurry strikes is what's crazy in his logs

[red zinc]

thats tier regardless

idk if its crazy compared to other tanks also

[frail veldt]

His does so much more

He does

Go look lol

[copper radish]

maybe hes got a double stampede type trick for monk?

that he only knows XD

[wintry solar]

This dudes only language is BM lol

[copper radish]

that or outlaw

[frail veldt]

On paper brew isn't that complicated

[wintry solar]

Did they ever do anything about all those keybinds?

[red zinc]

nuh uh

[frail veldt]

This season you don't play fire breath so brews even easier than before from what I've been told

[red zinc]

bro these chinese people so geared man

let me go over there

[vivid vessel]

i mean porsea just plays better

its just how it is

we prolly have the best player of their spec on each role so

[worldly shale]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[covert kestrel]

Murtaz doesn't really raid wow

[vivid vessel]

no

[cursive radish]

what are the chances they up the target cap on BF to 12 or higher? 🤔

[frank finch]

not high

but its not zero

[vivid vessel]

one day maybe we get softcapped

[red zinc]

its zero that they increase it to 12 thats for sure

[vivid vessel]

but we arent getting anything else that than

[red zinc]

if it goes any higher itll be a softcap

[frank finch]

1 more day

hold

[red zinc]

more like 3 more

their "deep dive" isnt going into specifics of outlaw lets be honest

gotta wait for servers to go live

[frank finch]

idk theres a deepdive of the deep dive after the main deepdive

so maybe

ui changes deepdive feat outlaw

[vapid sundial]

yknow what

i hate everyone

lets get kings rest back

[frank finch]

there r worse dun's then that

[red zinc]

assault on violet hold

[frank finch]

Seat of the Triumvirate

[vapid sundial]

idk

KR was

really shit

[strong cargo]

Tol Dagor pug canons (and ninjapulls)

[frank finch]

yea i change my choice

tol dagor

[buoyant cosmos]

I missed S1 to never play that place again

[mighty pivot]

wordle check

[craggy quiver]

Nice they fix the spear tech in eco but no spec fixes

[vivid vessel]

what

[craggy quiver]

You get dbl stacks

[vivid vessel]

how do you know

[inland cairn]

happening to us in eco dome as well

[mighty pivot]

what tech

[inland cairn]

getting a stack every 0.5s

[wintry solar]

Didn't I tell you to stop talking to me for being mean to me?

Wordle 1563 4/6

🟧⬛🟦⬛⬛
🟧🟧⬛⬛⬛
🟧🟧🟧🟧⬛
🟧🟧🟧🟧🟧

[vivid vessel]

that sounds quite fast

you mean when outside your own circle

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/wordle-in-4-gif-16028584323468828115

[vivid vessel]

or just always

1 stack every .5s is uh

[inland cairn]

nah just standing in them

[vivid vessel]

that sounds like a lot

[inland cairn]

dunno if its bugged or smth

[vivid vessel]

ok but what about the tech tho

going out into the other circle

[mighty pivot]

yes but I don't listen to you. I had 2 letters 4 rounds in but got it on the 5th

[wintry solar]

I won

Git gud

[inland cairn]

[mighty pivot]

git: 'gud' is not a git command

[inland cairn]

wasnt working

[wintry solar]

Nerd

Qlso

Also

I would've had it in 3 but misspelled it

[mighty pivot]

florida education (I have no idea in which state you are)

[wintry solar]

I'm not giving you ammunition

[mighty pivot]

that bad huh?

[frail veldt]

awww rip

I just learned about that the other day lol

already fixed

unfort

[craggy quiver]

I heard it was fix, I don't have a key to test

Super recent apparently

[mighty pivot]

they had to give up rogue development time to fix this

nice going abusers

[inland cairn]

they broke it more than they fixed it

even doing the mechanic normally just kills you

[quaint mauve]

do i get panda express or a pizza

[mighty pivot]

you cook something healthy at home

[ebon reef]

eat the fridge

[covert kestrel]

Reddit brain rot of the night

[quaint mauve]

im ok…

[mighty pivot]

no outlaw player is ok

[quaint mauve]

@vivid vessel is the reason we don’t get buffs confirmed

[frail veldt]

the paladin icon attached to this is peak

[frail veldt]

panda is so ass

[eager rose]

buffs confirmed??

tomorrow?

[mighty pivot]

yes vai - our most trustworthy source - has confirmed them

[thorny zinc]

what u get bro

[quaint mauve]

i ordered this mid class im lwk starving

[quaint mauve]

large supreme

all for myself

true fatass to the core

[thorny zinc]

[runic gulch]

lol they keep saying that

Uses 10-12s as a reference point + the fact it’s being played more than a spec that isn’t being played to bolster their cooked take

Unreal

[quaint mauve]

frost top 20 is literally the same io as like outlaw top 3

lowkey should avodk come back

i was nasty at unholy last season

nah we deadass need the boomie method

our content creators need to sandbag better

[torpid fiber]

we don't need to sandbag we just need to find more dps down bugs

[red zinc]

Arguing with people in tiktok comments 🥀

[runic gulch]

it's the comment section for my own video lol

even worse

[quaint mauve]

nah the worst part is that they think balancing matters for 10-12s

[runic gulch]

yeah, i couldn't believe what i was reading

actually fried

[junior coral]

I go crazy with the garlic sauce lmao. 2/3 for me if I’m getting all smoked up and going full glutt

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

[quaint mauve]

nah bro you just don’t understand

zac timed a 20 so outlaw can’t be weak

[mighty pivot]

@wintry solar

[gaunt phoenix]

Look at that dawg

[wintry solar]

Kitty!

[mighty pivot]

She was zoned out I had to tell her 10 times it's bed time

[covert kestrel]

Our kitties are twinnies

[mighty pivot]

basket kitty

[junior coral]

doing this nightfall pretty much alone sucks lmao

eating sushi while i do it too... so not terrible but not fast lol

[daring yoke]

Is this new rogue cat spec confirmed for midnight?

[glass mortar]

Yes

Outclaw rogue

https://tenor.com/view/yue-alien-cat-alien-cat-twitch-emote-gif-4413005531923212597

[mighty pivot]

I think they broke the scaling of the nightfall event. It used to go very fast when only a few people were around. Now it barely gives % progress

not that it matters anymore I am free

[copper radish]

got a hero track sigil/antenna we golden for my 10-13 keys i run lmaoooo

still no damn 691 mace tho every week and nothin....

[quaint mauve]

it was aight

[spare lake]

wat is that rain drop sound i keep hearin

think its part of a wa pack

[timid idol]

wtf

i havent played the game since i got 3k like 2 or 3 weeks ago

i had exactly 3k rio

i logged in today and i have 3040

did something happen

did they like update rio scores or wtf

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

they weren't calculating bonus io from 12 affix

So it was +5 for each dungeon you had done at 12+ iirc

[timid idol]

💀

so i had 3k long ago

gg

[thorny zinc]

mayb u gettin targetted by smth

[copper radish]

slacked on my rogue this week... prayer for the 1 mythic track vault slot i got lol

[wintry solar]

I ain't done nuthin

And it feels great

https://tenor.com/view/freedom-carson-lueders-young-and-free-happy-glad-gif-17701811

[copper radish]

it a peak of 20mil something on a pack in dawn breaker 10 before it felt good lol

[tender wedge]

I haven’t seen higher than 17m, I don’t have any on use trinkets though

[copper radish]

i got a sigil/antenna no on use for me

also KIR'd 6 buffs on the pack too lol

[tender wedge]

I mean yeah that’s the single win condition for that

Natty roll 5 buffs then immediately get the 6th and extend

[copper radish]

pretty much how it went

even got a vanish adrenaline ghostly that lined up during the pack too and that felt fkin amazing lol

[long barn]

Why do we roll right after a 5 roll then hitting KIR @ 30 seconds

[copper radish]

roll after hitting KIR for a refresh and supercharged points

also if u only KIR 5 the reroll may get u 6

[long barn]

I see streamers with 50 seconds on a 5 buff after hitting KIR, then roll and get like 2 buffs and it takes the timer down to like 30 on some buffs

I thought maybe they stacked

[runic gulch]

nah its because the 5 buffs you've KiRed will be ahead of the container buff which are guaranteed to stay after the roll. So when you reroll, you can get lucky where one of the new rerolled buffs will be the missing one, but a lot of the time it will just put 1 or 2 of the buffs you already have behind the container

but worth the risk either way for supercharger stacks

[tender wedge]

Imagine being a new outlaw player and reading this lol

[long barn]

Yea kinda crazy how it works out

[runic gulch]

well tbh HO would be way to go for a new player

but yeah, going straight to 1FtH KiR as a new player sounds shit

especially this season

[mighty pivot]

with your life, or just today?

[wintry solar]

For vault

...

[tender wedge]

I’d love to get a life vault every Wednesday

Like maybe a new car. Half my mortgage paid off

Even just like a free pizza

[wintry solar]

I'm just getting it geared for next expac

My rogue