outlaw

[cinder haven]

https://tenor.com/view/tkt-smart-gif-20642718

Why backtrack when you can double down

[mighty pivot]

I don't think they will limit aura tracking

[cinder haven]

They already did though

But maybe not more

[mighty pivot]

you mean with private auras?

[cinder haven]

Yes

[mighty pivot]

ok but that's totally different, it doesn't have to do with class spells

[errant fractal]

I can't get over how outlaw the brawler spec uses vanish as part of it's rotation/cooldown windows and sub rogue the (one with shadows and sneaky backstabbing) spec might as well remove vanish from it's bars

[cinder haven]

Except they used private auras for trickster

[errant fractal]

It's confirmed that their goal is to completely remove it all : ) we'll see how much they'll stick to that goal

[mighty pivot]

nowhere did they say that

[cinder haven]

I hope you are right though

[mighty pivot]

a hidden CD is different than a private aura tbh

[cinder haven]

If they kill addons I’ll probably stop playing wow

[mighty pivot]

nah they know that

[errant fractal]

Nah if they unfuck a lot of these specs so they're playable without addons and keep working on the personal resource thingy replacement then wow might become unironically better, however, as u said, its blizz

[cinder haven]

It’s not just a hidden CD, UB proc itself is also hidden, disorienting strikes is hidden

[mighty pivot]

what do you mean that UB proc is hidden? isn't that the same as its cd?

or do you mean the charges due to DS?

[cinder haven]

It’s both a CD and the proc from autos

[mighty pivot]

oh you mean thousand cuts

[cinder haven]

Yes

[errant fractal]

I lowkey cba looking for the exact post now to settle a discussion on a class discord but I'm positive they said anything customizable that works in combat (so not just WAs but macros as well) will be exploded

Like that that's their "end goal"

[mighty pivot]

ok but thousand cuts would not be "hidden" if the cooldown of it was trackable

[errant fractal]

I mean spoilers, microsoft is trying to turn wow into an xbox game

[cinder haven]

It should have been a spell overlay

If you press this key, this will happen

Easy

[mighty pivot]

what was discussed in a class discord is irrelevant. They said a few things in a couple interviews, and there rest is unknown including not knowing what will be affected. But they wouldn't be working on a cooldown manager that has aura tracking if they were removing that

[lucid sparrow]

my overall in a 15 eco dome, is my ks dmg very low?

very bad with coordinating ks into the rotation, still learning

[errant fractal]

I'm talking about a wowhead post from an interview with blizz, not something that was discussed on a class discord

[lucid sparrow]

gotta be doin smth very wrong (other than i died once during cds)

[mighty pivot]

even if you ignore my first sentence, I think I was clear on the rest

[errant fractal]

Bet

[mighty pivot]

we will know in time anyway

no point to speculate

[cinder haven]

Did you read #outlaw-faq ?

[errant fractal]

It's my favourite past-time

[cinder haven]

I don’t see coup de grace in your damage breakdown

[cinder haven]

That’s a bit worrying

[lucid sparrow]

yeah im very aware im doing smth very wrong

[cinder haven]

Trickster is a lot about getting as many coups out as possible

[lucid sparrow]

but struggling to pinpoint it

[cinder haven]

Not that it does a lot of damage

But gives you flawless form stacks

That you wait for your vanish windows

Have a look at the faq

[lucid sparrow]

will do

[cinder haven]

It’s very good

[lucid sparrow]

ty for the point out, didnt think of coup

[cinder haven]

Can also link a log here and I can take a look later if you want

[elder phoenix]

you're not you're against a BM hunter and a RET

regardless you're gonna be atleast 1 mil or 2 below

Especially on 13s or 14s

lol

Unless you outgear them

[lucid sparrow]

was like 3 ilvls below them

[elder phoenix]

OR you got really lucky with vault/mythic raids with bis trinkets

[lucid sparrow]

but i see

[long needle]

Man ive been sending BTE on highest prio, KS and cdg is higher prio?

i gotta learn to read

[tranquil totem]

Yo guys, i have a question. Im 2 - 3m dps behind my two other dds. Is that normal ? I had no Problems Last Season with dmg but this time idk. I Only have 2 piece set.

[red zinc]

How are you going to answer your own question in the same message

and still press send

[errant canopy]

you don't double coup de grace during vanish right?

[normal forge]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[inland acorn]

No

[daring oxide]

i just dont understand, they hotfix so that the brewfest kilt has underwear again, but they cant hotfix outlaw

???

[twilit rivet]

is ara'kara hard?

[cinder haven]

Priorities

[daring oxide]

im convinced class tuning and design is outsourced

not done inhouse

https://tenor.com/view/cat-side-eye-gif-5016118126108679217

[cinder haven]

Its more like not done at all this season?

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-kitty-sad-cat-cat-cat-meme-gif-10031878163830317345

[cinder haven]

I swapped to havoc and set outlaw rogue as details nickname

All good

[shell fossil]

i kinda wanna play fatebound in keys but myth warpclaw and hero sigil feels okay

you just pull adds onto boss and explode for 10-13m damage

[daring oxide]

just play BM hunter tbh

[cinder haven]

I did a fair amount of FB keys, don’t recommend

[daring oxide]

darkranger is just straight up busted

[shell fossil]

aw

yeah they are definitely busted

[cinder haven]

Havoc is fun though

[daring oxide]

https://www.icy-veins.com/wow/news/total-takeover-a-massive-new-no-1-most-popular-spec-in-mythic/

🙂

[cinder haven]

Theres a million hunters in queue yeah

[old gull]

Simpler rotations near the top imagine that

[ocean lodge]

Blizzard being prudes>funny pirate spec

[lime lake]

i also have just the tiniest feeling that the people adding underwear to kilts and the people working on classes might not be the same people

[cinder haven]

Way too reasonable take

[lime lake]

[severe drift]

except for outlaw, it's the exact same people

[cinder haven]

Almost no one plays this spec so why waste resources on it

[old gull]

Maybe one more tuning pass after first awc and mdi but I’m not getting my hopes up. I’m guessing their attention is on alpha

[ocean lodge]

We make survival hunter look loved

[old gull]

Which is frustrating to me but w/e

[ocean lodge]

My assumption is any tuning at this point will be after turbo, if at all.

MAYBE awc/mdi, but it's like, what dies nerfing shit based on mdi even accomplish lol

Maybe they'll nerf bm which would be funny

[lime lake]

i doubt anything gets nerfed this season at this point

another round of tuning to bring up the bottom on wcl

is my bet

then again who cares about tuning when legion remix is coming out

[agile orchid]

Tuning will be announced next friday probably

Just in time for the new patch

[old gull]

It’s ok outlaw gonna be op when they drop the new rework

[jolly geyser]

[covert kestrel]

[shell fossil]

hero track cudgel

and a plate of nuggies

nOOW

[grim spear]

[ocean lodge]

I'm hoping at least sin bugs are fixed.

.>

[old gull]

[covert kestrel]

Either they have to make outlaw really good or really shit so I either enjoy the game again or quit and can be free

No in betweens

[ocean lodge]

If they kill malefic rapture I will at least have something I'm hyped for.

[mighty pivot]

then we wouldn't go 3-4 weeks between tuning

[red zinc]

ai balancing might be better than human balancing?

[daring oxide]

Might be a good time to get ghost of yotei

[mighty pivot]

you know tuning being done by AI would explain a few things. It's been trained on no rogue changes

[old gull]

Real

[vestal notch]

Same

[ocean lodge]

Ai would see bm is overperforming and nerf beast mastery's arcane barrage damage during shadow dance

[red zinc]

he had it for a second there

and then lost the plot

[lime lake]

aug mage spriest

[torpid fiber]

boomerge

[elder phoenix]

FIre mages arent even doing alot of damage

how are they gonna get nerfed

BM hunter deserves to get nerfed

[red zinc]

..

[elder phoenix]

Oh thats AI

My bad

[lime lake]

im glad ai has decided to plan bm nerfs for blizz

[agile orchid]

when will people realize "AI" is not even real AI, it's a glorified autocomplete

[elder phoenix]

HURRDURR

I was like wait a minute

Hows everyone enjoying outlaw

ARent you glad that you can go fullsend and yet be 1% less over all dps

[agile orchid]

only 1% less

do I need to point out the fractillus graph

[vale warren]

People complained so much about god comp in df that the ai still thinks it's a problem lmao

[agile orchid]

I am glad all 3 specs of a pure dps class are on the bottom

[inland acorn]

Good thing BM got buffed

Though I'm afraid it might not be enough

I would aura 5% buff them again, just to make sure

[next veldt]

no they need to buff survial hunter

it's the only hunter spec being left out atm

[cinder relic]

Good thing there's more to this game than just boss damage

[agile orchid]

surely one of the 3 specs should be at least average at it

right

[cinder relic]

Isn't that just frac as well?

Lol

[agile orchid]

instead we just copy paste concepts between specs

like bladeflurry

[ocean lodge]

When they find out generative ai is just a plagiarism machine

[latent oak]

just like humans are plagiarism machines frfe

[cinder relic]

I don't think necessarily it needs to be the case one of your pure dps specs need to be good at each specific boss no

[agile orchid]

good thing hunters, DKs and mages don't have to deal with this

they get to be good at everything

[pure folio]

Every class has their moments

[cinder relic]

I know it's so hard that we suck at fractilus

[agile orchid]

you're right guy

rogue is in a great spot

no buffs are necessary

[jolly geyser]

mythic frac is pure st also no? pretty weird to have pure dps classes do worse dmg,so why bring them at all

[cinder relic]

Weird I also didn't say this

[agile orchid]

fatebound assa rogue and outlaw are designed to be pure single target

and yet they are complete fucking garbage

[vivid vessel]

outlaw best boss outside of soul hunter

is fractilus

btw

just saying

[cinder relic]

Ya outlaw sucks

[covert kestrel]

Ya

[dry hull]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[burnt dragon]

how are we lining up our abilities for soulrender? i feel like i always have coup and killing spree ready when the adds aren't out yet

or are we just sending and trying to hold everything for the big add phase

[vivid vessel]

only thing you can do really is hold vanish

but

its outlaw

we cant hold stuffs really

[burnt dragon]

right

i think i had one pull last night where i got supercharged killing spree right during the big add phase

otherwise it was just like... hope and pray

[keen belfry]

Remember when realz came in and they said their goal with KS was to make it a cd worthy moment

[shy pecan]

i was promised outlaw buffs

but all i got was dumpster ST numbers

[vivid vessel]

instead

the spell is so bad

most of the times you press it

100% of the damage

is wasted

thats kinda crazy no

they cooked hard on that one

[keen belfry]

It still feels like a button you just press to get more unseen blades

And that’s it

[shy pecan]

isnt this exactly what it is

otherwise cancelling it would be a dps loss

[keen belfry]

I mean technically you’re right man

Congrats

[shy pecan]

first time right in my life

[keen belfry]

But that wasn’t the point

[cinder haven]

What if outlaw (but not sub) could stack infinite EB charges

[vivid vessel]

the only issue

is how much space double coup take

i think ideally we go back to singular coup, just buffed to be better right

[cinder haven]

I kinda want bte to consume it instead

[vivid vessel]

and then you can stack infinite

hm

ye idk

[cinder haven]

Also give the bonus cp to bte

[mighty pivot]

tazavesh hard mode strat

[cinder haven]

So we get ace

Would be cool

[vivid vessel]

idm having a "different" finisher

[cinder haven]

Buff the buttons we want to press

[vivid vessel]

i just think double coup is too much

takes too much space

[cinder haven]

Not dispatch and sinister strike

It’s what’s bugging me the most about trickster i think

They buff our worst buttons, but only sometimes and it creates a weird tug of war effect

[mighty pivot]

they likely didn't want to tie them to abilities with cooldowns

[spare lake]

Outlaw rework = ranged dps

👀

Really praying there’s some buffs and they still maintain the concept but doubt

Anyway- what’s the best race ? No right answers

[vivid vessel]

dwarf

[ocean lodge]

velf. Good race but not a fugly mountain gnome.

[red zinc]

someone really just linked this route in a 16

dont even think +2 pug goobers can come up with thish

[mighty pivot]

5

[ocean lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-nasty-disgusted-gross-spongebob-squarepants-gif-16884688

[red zinc]

first pull (with BL)

[mighty pivot]

slow and steady wins the race

[dawn talon]

the next pull is 4 mobs that hit the tank

LMFAO

[vestal notch]

Timer dead before 3rd pull, crazy

[hardy thicket]

Unironically if he just wants to barely time a 16 thats fine lol

[fluid meadow]

my friend does this sometimes in mdt to know whats the pull order, but he chains and pull them together

[hardy thicket]

So many 16s go to shit when tanks do routes way above their paygrade

[buoyant cosmos]

I like when they underestimate the mini boss in the last room and just get creamed

[glass mortar]

my favorite part of pushing io (im only doing 13s and 14s rn) is when u do the first pull and they decide u are in the mdi and pull 18 mobs

good luck i hope the other dps can carry our group this pull because im useless rn

and then if u wipe it looks like its ur fault

cause ur trolling on the dps meters

[verbal stag]

Apart from standard like stone form and shadowmeld what racials do you guys like to run for outlaw

[cinder haven]

Are we carrying you rogue ?!!

[glass mortar]

wtf rogue doing tank dps????

the tank dps is 16m

[cinder haven]

I like dwarf racial as outlaw

Dwarf transmogs not so much

[glass mortar]

worgen because darkflight stacks with sprint now and gives u nitro boots in fights

[verbal stag]

So true

[daring oxide]

What if they rework outlaw to be similar to devourer dh

Have ranged and melee moments

Hmm

Like red mage ffxiv

Gunslinger mode and melee mode

Be cool right

[proper veldt]

Would make sense for the amount of up time we require and the removal of acro

[daring oxide]

Ye

However downtime like dragon flying or disconnect from bosses still fuck us sorta

Like dimmy

[cinder haven]

Makes sense so they won’t do it

[proper veldt]

Frfr

[cinder haven]

I’m trying to not get too stoked up about this rework

[hoary wave]

ya, keeping my expectations under check

[languid coral]

if i wanted to use nethprism on outlaw when would be the best time to use it on high stacks? or like macro it into keep it rolling

idk

[cinder haven]

When you want big damage

[covert kestrel]

Yeah I don't think they're trying to introduce new complicated concepts to the spec lol

[cinder haven]

And have the other tools to make big damage happen

[covert kestrel]

Stoked up like excited or stoked up angry

[cinder haven]

Good buffs, vanish ready, big pull out damage amp

[languid coral]

okay

thanks

[cinder haven]

The point of playing netherprism is that has flexible cd I mean

[lofty latch]

I thought of a way to make outlaw playable again esp in intermission fights. AR paused while not auto attacking. Thoughts?

Might be huffing too much cope but one can pray

[mighty pivot]

infinite AR by turning around just enough that autos don't go off but specials do

[keen belfry]

3milly for this

should i

[lofty latch]

Yeah i thought of that. Maybe it takes 2 secs of no auto attacking before it pauses. So there's some investment/planning into triggering it

[mighty pivot]

that's so cheap awang compared to eu prices

[drowsy jacinth]

forward looking (like totm) is easy, backward looking is hard

uhuh has enough oddities as-is

[keen belfry]

what even r eu prices

[mighty pivot]

5mil for adaptable rn

[keen belfry]

hm

[mighty pivot]

quickblade ones are cheap though

like under 2

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/bad-callouts-rogue-gif-26757787

[earnest vapor]

its torture playing this spec but im a masochist

[timid portal]

[covert kestrel]

wtf i did the nightfall shit as outlaw loot spec and got a dagger

scammed

[earnest vapor]

its bis

[frail veldt]

same

[mighty pivot]

that's foreshadowing for outlaw with daggers

[latent oak]

outlaw using daggers would be a massive w ngl

[spark trellis]

we can use daggers in OH 🤷

[latent oak]

ya but with the world where u can craft a myth weapon first week, it would be nice to be able to play all 3 specs with that weapon

having ur myth track item be ur offhand is a big downgrade

[spark trellis]

that is 100 fact. but in this case just being able to use daggers in OH as outlaw is kinda big tho wouldnt be supricing if they made a talent that is big (or change a current 1) so you cant use daggers as outlaw, so a win is a win 😄

[wintry solar]

We'd always want daggers and 1h would inflate the loot table with garbage you dont want

[covert kestrel]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[latent oak]

so u'd just sit in sub lootspec and be happy

[ocean lodge]

is that even worth it over a crit+vers ring

[wintry solar]

Assa

And still

That's 4 weapons types rendered useless

[latent oak]

rendered useless to outlaw maybe

other classes would still want them

and just bc you can use daggers in mainhand doesnt mean it needs to be better, just nice as an early season thing before u have a way to source myth track items

[wintry solar]

It absolutely does don't kid yourself

Unless there's a cantrip weapon

Useless to Outlaw is the point. Who cares what other classes use?

[keen belfry]

depends if it is or isnt

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[vernal coral]

Yarrr

[hasty warren]

Yarrr

[ocean lodge]

depends on what the definition of is, is?

[real falcon]

https://tenor.com/view/patchy-the-pirate-funny-eye-twitch-going-crazy-losing-gif-13879029441217505885

[ocean lodge]

why is patchy the pirate constipated

[wintry solar]

Imagine not seeing that episode

[lavish flame]

b722bwD 1

[real falcon]

Mfw vengeance dh pulls more dps in gambit opener

[ocean lodge]

be happy its veng and not a brew

they got shadow buff and it's over

[vivid vessel]

wait wtf

you can actually go back in vod on twitch now?

[astral aurora]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

after 20 years

[astral aurora]

currently only on subbed channel

or with turbo

[vivid vessel]

ye

i hope it goes to everyone

cause thats kinda like

[astral aurora]

prob will idk

[vivid vessel]

the only thing that makes youtube better kinda

or well

the video player of twitch is still laggy and buggy tho

so idk

[warm parrot]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[slate cairn]

!ks

[warm parrot]

So I am used to having bars as RtB buffs, is there a way to add bars to the RTB buffs tracker recommended by the bot!? Any WA pros here.?!

[copper radish]

buffs?

[copper radish]

see yall on outlaws midnight iteration maybe we will get buffed then

[jolly geyser]

dont think about it and be suprised

play another class

[copper radish]

are we getting a new item with 11.2.5

or no more ring / belt types since we got cape

[jolly geyser]

midnight waiting room

turbo boost shit and legion

[copper radish]

yeah ima go back to my BM lmao

play remix

[red zinc]

no but

[jolly geyser]

I actually can enjoy and talk with my grp not playing this slop spec

[red zinc]

you can transfer your character out of remix

i would not be shocked if that goes wrong somehow

[copper radish]

Imagine full powered remix toon on retail… yeah I’d clear mythic raid then ask for forgiveness

[red zinc]

not even the artifact items

just a normal piece

+12% haste +12% vers

[frail veldt]

bars is wild

[red zinc]

[hasty warren]

what is crippling ?

[indigo token]

notice how there's nothing about getting bugs fixed per team

[inland acorn]

Maybe wound talent to get extra 2 stacks for more healing reduction in hoa idk

[cinder relic]

Huh

[inland acorn]

Its not called crippling tho

[indigo token]

wowhead article

paraphrasing preach interview with devs

[cinder relic]

I get that

[indigo token]

what im thinking is that there's some sort of communication or logistical issue that's causing more bugs

[cinder relic]

I feel like the game has always been kinda buggy

It's hard to say if it's any more than the past. It's not like rogue was bug free, and then shadowlands or something happened and bugs just started being common

Me and solo and I think loktark literally put together a presentation we sent to blizzard to get random bugs fixed at the tail end of shadowlands

[indigo token]

no i dont mean like

class wise

well not just class wise

but as a whole the games been buggier this expansion

[livid pewter]

had anyone any problems in higher keys first boss arakara? like vanish when crawler spawns and crawler fixate on tank and run into boss? people want me to stop vanish in add phase lmao

[ripe ibex]

tanks fault if this happens they should be on the same side as the adds

[livid pewter]

they tellin me if tank is fixate the adds move besides him and this way they run into boss but for me it looks more like they move position after they got stunned

[agile orchid]

Well yeah they keep pumping out patches with questionable quality assurance

[left onyx]

If I have 723 and 720 weapons is it worth using cudgel at all? Pinned message isn't very clear regarding this

I only have adventurer available

[quaint mauve]

i need some inspirational words

the big dog is on the roster

[jolly geyser]

use what you got in that case also weapon swapping can get annoying

[left onyx]

@jolly geyser thank you ❤️

[craggy barn]

any law tips for m soul hunters

[indigo token]

I am fucking

FURIOUS

this moron tank bricks my key

by doing the dumbest possible hooktail strat

and FLAMES ME FOR IT

[worldly shale]

guys i didnt play since reset

am i cured

or cooked

[indigo token]

cooked

[worldly shale]

[jolly geyser]

cured

try another class, game is fun ok again

[worldly shale]

i just realized theres other games

quite fun discovery

[jolly geyser]

crazy

I feel like the urge to play the game atm dropped real fast outside reset

and I just do dungeons with full grp,and im not even playing my rogue

[restive obsidian]

I think outlaw is in general in apathetic state of acceptance in mediocrity. Raid bosses designed that break adrenaline rush, poor single target damage, bugged hero talents ,bad designed hero talents( why is there even a hero talent that disables in aoe), set bonuses that dont work well( looking at you unseen blade and overcap).

Other classes complain for 10% damage buffs and rogues are like can our class have a season or two of working iterations

[vivid vessel]

I think outlaw is in general in apathetic state of acceptance in mediocrity. Raid bosses designed that break adrenaline rush, poor single target damage, bugged hero talents ,bad designed hero talents( why is there even a hero talent that disables in aoe), set bonuses that dont work well( looking at you unseen blade and overcap).

Other classes complain for 10% damage buffs and rogues are like can our class have a season or two of working iterations

[restive obsidian]

Instant copy there.

Grapple hook still broken as shit for some races, heads compontent is broken, our energy/combo generation is complete ass out of adrenaline rush.

Pmuch just going to rshaman and ele until midnight

[craggy barn]

zac

do i stil do focus macro bte on soul hunters

[vivid vessel]

y

[craggy barn]

on whomst

[vivid vessel]

guy above

main boss

mostly

[craggy barn]

any other thing i should know for m sh?

or just pretty much normal shit and dodge crap

[vivid vessel]

when the guy does the hunt spell

you line up vanish with that kinda

and focus bte that guy

so you still cleave 3 guys with crackshot

[craggy barn]

the hunting guy?:

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel lets gaslight weran in https://discord.com/channels/124169701881282560/1184888068264689756

[vivid vessel]

wtf

we can ?

how

[proven ocean]

ye

read what i said

[vivid vessel]

y

[proven ocean]

there

[stuck sparrow]

I think outlaw is in general in apathetic state of acceptance in mediocrity. Raid bosses designed that break adrenaline rush, poor single target damage, bugged hero talents ,bad designed hero talents( why is there even a hero talent that disables in aoe), set bonuses that dont work well( looking at you unseen blade and overcap).

Other classes complain for 10% damage buffs and rogues are like can our class have a season or two of working iterations

[torpid fiber]

to be clear we are also complaining for a 10% damage buff.

You're right, but we are doing that.

[indigo token]

I think outlaw is in general in apathetic state of acceptance in mediocrity. Raid bosses designed that break adrenaline rush, poor single target damage, bugged hero talents ,bad designed hero talents( why is there even a hero talent that disables in aoe), set bonuses that dont work well( looking at you unseen blade and overcap).

Other classes complain for 10% damage buffs and rogues are like can our class have a season or two of working iterations

[proven ocean]

I think outlaw is in general in apathetic state of acceptance in mediocrity. Raid bosses designed that break adrenaline rush, poor single target damage, bugged hero talents ,bad designed hero talents( why is there even a hero talent that disables in aoe), set bonuses that dont work well( looking at you unseen blade and overcap).

Other classes complain for 10% damage buffs and rogues are like can our class have a season or two of working iterations

[proven ocean]

wait ur back

wtf

@vivid vessel why is he copying my name

[indigo token]

hi

[proven ocean]

what the helly

[vivid vessel]

what the helly

[indigo token]

cause we have

and since you have

i thought it would be funny to impersonate you

[proven ocean]

i see

[wintry solar]

I like Zeross 2.0

[blissful idol]

Zeross you still playing ?

Or retired

[frail veldt]

wheres this from?

[indigo token]

wowhead article

[frail veldt]

whos gona be twooss

[proven ocean]

raiding only, with friends

atm

[ocean lodge]

instructions unclear, removing crackshot

[indigo token]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO

MY CRACKSHOT

[ocean lodge]

If they actually remove crackshot this discord is going to be a fucking firestorm lol

god forbid they do more than that.

[indigo token]

dude

like

crackshots fun

[junior coral]

Man, Outlaw feelin’ like it’s stuck in some limp, half-assed limbo. Just cruisin’ through mediocrity like it’s normal. Raid bosses? Built like they allergic to fun — break the rush, kill the hype. Single target damage? Trash. Hero talents? Bugged or straight-up dumb. Who in their right mind thought 'disable in AoE' was a good idea? Might as well be fightin’ with a butter knife.
And the set bonuses? Don’t even get me started — Unseen Blade and Overcap look like they were slapped together by a blind goblin. No synergy, no spark, just hot garbage.
Other classes cry over not gettin’ their precious 10% buffs. Meanwhile, rogues just sittin’ in the back like: 'Yo, can we get one season where our spec ain’t duct-taped together with copium and prayer?'

[indigo token]

this sounds like chatgpt

[indigo token]

yep

[junior coral]

Nothing gets past this one lmao

[burnt dragon]

did they stealth nerf ace up your sleeve proc rate? i haven't had a chain of more than 2 in an hour

absolute ass RNG

[ocean lodge]

no

[burnt dragon]

i know i'm just bitchin

[wintry solar]

yall remember when ace was nerfed and dropping Crackshot for GSW was just a 5% loss?

[ocean lodge]

don't remind me

[wintry solar]

thankfully that lasted about a week but still

im all for nerfing builds to make others viable if thats what they deem necessary but they should absolutely not touch gameplay

generally speaking

[vivid vessel]

ye when they nerfed ace cp refund amount

one of the most out of touch nerf i have ever seen

[wintry solar]

not nerfing gameplay seems like a given but I guess not

[vivid vessel]

glad it got reverted

[ocean lodge]

Wasn't early testing outlaw for tww really bad

[wintry solar]

yeah because we kept getting changes like that

🥕

[quaint mauve]

need help

badly

ive playing like straight dog shit recently

[red zinc]

Fth change

[wintry solar]

You know whats crazy?

I dont remember what fth was like before the nerf

[quaint mauve]

anyone here than can log review me

@keen belfry hi

[ripe ibex]

!tott

[ornate heath]

Smart tricks WA on tank, this require the following macro:

/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

[ripe ibex]

@keen belfry hi

[gaunt phoenix]

@keen belfry hi

[gentle geyser]

@keen belfry hi

[frail veldt]

What was it?

I can't remember it changing since DF s3

[quaint mauve]

mewo

i need a log review

i shitting the bed

this past week

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZN9PKqLJ3nX1yWct?fight=80&type=damage-done&source=670

[frail veldt]

Idgi

[wintry solar]

less cp gen

[frail veldt]

How many did it used to generate? And when was that changed

That was def before s3 df

[gaunt phoenix]

df s1

fth used to give full cp

[frail veldt]

Ah okay

[gaunt phoenix]

without bs

[frail veldt]

Lol that's dumb

Good change

[wintry solar]

I didnt really mind it

[eager rose]

miss that

[quaint mauve]

dude

holy

fuck

im chopped

and washed

and its over

[eager rose]

deft left?

[gaunt phoenix]

left?

[eager rose]

loomithar

[quaint mauve]

not a 100

gg

[ripe ibex]

lowk i think if you have 100% you are doing something wrong

[quaint mauve]

100% uptime is like really good rolls and perfect button clicks no?

idk

maybe less adr gs line ups

[ripe ibex]

idk i feel like you would have to waste ar cps someway or another to have full 100% uptime

[gaunt phoenix]

very easy for fatebound to have 100

trickster needs a bit blessed by rng gods

[quaint mauve]

SOLO

SOLO

SOLO

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-red-wine-sleepy-bored-disco-lights-gif-22099515

[quaint mauve]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/ZN9PKqLJ3nX1yWct?fight=80&type=damage-done&source=670
i need you more than ever

i’ve been in a slump this week

[gaunt phoenix]

i gave you won

one

[quaint mauve]

where

[gaunt phoenix]

use sleight not deft

[quaint mauve]

oh ok ok

so do i 100 parse my next kill now?

[gaunt phoenix]

low cps vanish?

stinky

[quaint mauve]

ah i see

i do that a lot actually

[gaunt phoenix]

if you waited 3 seconds you wouldve had more supercharge in vanish

[keen belfry]

I’ve been summoned e

Who summonses me

[quaint mauve]

me haha…

[gaunt phoenix]

this should have been sinister strike

[eager rose]

see again

[gaunt phoenix]

cuz unseen blades

You do this a lot

are you tracking ub

[keen belfry]

Sup

Solo better log reviewer than me

You need vod

[ripe ibex]

yeah idk how you are doing this solo

[red zinc]

hml five he washed?

[quaint mauve]

yeah i do but idk i have bad habit of clicking pistol shot as. soon as i hear the WA for the proc

[ripe ibex]

reviewing outlaw logs are so hard to me

[red zinc]

nephew dont got it no mo?

[keen belfry]

I tell anyone who wants to get better like 3 things:

have a good UI
Record gameplay
Be able to watch VOD and understand what you did wrong
Play the game and made deliberate thoughts like “that was a bad button press”

4 things

[quaint mauve]

lowkey bro… i fell off as soon as i started trailing for mythic raid

[gaunt phoenix]

cant see if you are using rtb and pistol shot correctly from log

but can scroll through timeline and see some things

[ripe ibex]

actually w tips

[red zinc]

I parse green on heroic but 90+ on mythic

[ripe ibex]

the ui thing it so big man

[red zinc]

[ripe ibex]

so many people running around with the most drone ui

[quaint mauve]

the soh rules don’t make sense to me and thats been putting me off

[gaunt phoenix]

just roll 2 buffs

[quaint mauve]

the rolling at 2 buffs feels like it fucks me more often

[red zinc]

way too big a share of wow players doesnt even want to improve

[gaunt phoenix]

believe in gamba

[red zinc]

and thats fine if you just wanna play casually

[quaint mauve]

bro i parsed green easy ass fights bc i can’t do my rotation anymore

[keen belfry]

The minute you can say stuff like why’d I press that, mid key, you are improving

[gaunt phoenix]

your opener btw

[red zinc]

But then theres people trying to push but simultaneously also not trying to improve

glorp em

[gaunt phoenix]

use rtb gs before bte

[quaint mauve]

that rtb

[worldly sinew]

The last one I need to work on. I pissa way GCD alot sometimes.
but I'm going to orange parse Heroic and then move to parse Mythic soon enough. Just gotta keep hammering n getting the feel down.

[quaint mauve]

yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

you did get fatal flourish fucked IMMEDIATELY in opener

[torpid heath]

is it ok if i keep the GS adr maccro on trickster?

[gaunt phoenix]

so you had like 3 stealth globals

[quaint mauve]

i should made the thread

so i could save what you said

i’ve screenshot everything

i’m making such bad mistakes

idk

[gaunt phoenix]

even if you dont want to use sleight

i dont think deft is good in raid

you just dont get to deft enough

[quaint mauve]

yeah i’ll talent over deft

idk where i got that from

i copied someone’s talents

[gaunt phoenix]

ye i mean like 60% of people still talent deft on soulbinder

but i think they are not thinking about it

[quaint mauve]

hopefully the next run is better

im going to work on those on training dummies a bit

i also need help with fb

[red zinc]

keep it up hml five

[gaunt phoenix]

keep it up html

[quaint mauve]

is it every worth to drop adr for like 3 globals of until you can sync adr gs?

[red zinc]

Texting hml five at five am?

[quaint mauve]

the sim never does so

and it seems so weird to me

[gaunt phoenix]

for fatebound vanish

yes you can

[quaint mauve]

how come the sim doesn’t?

[gaunt phoenix]

there are a handful of updates i havent pushed to simc yet

[torpid heath]

? solo what about this

[quaint mauve]

it always adrs like 2-3 globals before vanish gs

[quaint mauve]

ah i see

[gaunt phoenix]

3% vers should be better than swift slasher

maybe not by a whole lot

[quaint mauve]

thank you solo

i’ll be back next same time :)

hopefully with a new color that isn’t green

bc that’s gonna drive me insane

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean soulbinder is a pad fight

[quaint mauve]

i shoulda had plenty of pad tho

[gaunt phoenix]

soulbinder and araz you can do well but fail to "parse"

[quaint mauve]

people were deadass just doing beams wrong so there’s more to pad on

and i just played like a doofus

[quaint mauve]

i noticed that on forge for sub

i did it in a pug and played bad and parsed well, and then then did it again with guild and did my cds 20x better and parsed lower xd

[dapper fjord]

!key

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[keen belfry]

There’s like 6 stages of being “good” at outlaw

[quaint mauve]

i thought i was good before tonight

there’s levels

[worldly sinew]

Well, I'm not entirely intimate with the spec/class...so I know I could always Improve by learning the actual intricacies It just happens to be the only thing I've played mained since I started playing.. My friends n guildies say I'm the autistic outlaw because I refuse to play anything else and I hype my spec even when we're.. in the boat we're in now lmfao.

[keen belfry]

And then you’ll think you’re good in a few months and learn again

[torpid heath]

am i good i have rank 1 healing parse on fractilus

i must be

[worldly sinew]

I like to think Purple parses are good enough, Orange is good. Pink is best.
Gold is for those 1-5 people who know the class intimately

[quaint mauve]

if my parse isn’t orange i cry

and none of mine are rn

so im geniunely doomed

parsing was easier on warrior

[radiant mural]

I don't think I can play outlaw again after this highroll of a dungeon - never going to hit this again

[tender wedge]

i'd been highrolling keys all week

then last night i low rolled a couple in a row and i just want to die

[radiant mural]

90% broadside uptime over 21 minutes was euphoric

[tender wedge]

yeah not sure how you're meant to compare with that

[frail veldt]

your opener is wrong

as trickster its adr->rtb->then open from stealth with bte

also whyd you wait to gs on your opener too lol

also you vanished into two SSes???

bro @quaint mauve what are you doooooin man

rofl

this is so scuffed

also it looks like you arent properly prioritizing SS after KS when you have free UB stacks

ALSO you waited 3 minutes until you cursed stone idol for the first time

my boy

also I dont think you ever want to SS between coups

its better to just low cp on the 2nd coup if you dont have another way to build

cuz you risk wasting UB stacks

[quaint mauve]

bro it’s like ik all of this so what happened to me

midterms nerf it has to be

i didn’t have stone curse idol bound…. and had to bind it mid
fight

[frail veldt]

bro

make a macro

/use 13

[quaint mauve]

holy shit

[frail veldt]

or 14 wherever you put your active trinket

[quaint mauve]

😭😭😭

i always change em out

but this week has been bad

i just got done doing 10s to farm compliments

for morale boost

[wintry solar]

we couldve had gameplay

[old gull]

Auglaw

[torpid fiber]

Restless crew would have been one of the worst designed talents ever if it had gone live

[quaint mauve]

it make outlaw always meta

no?

[torpid fiber]

at the cost of dogshit unfun gameplay for everyonr

[quaint mauve]

fuck everyone

love us

[lime lake]

imagine your cds changing based on whether the outlaw in your party was dogshit or not

[torpid fiber]

Imagine only having cds up for an add if your outlaw rolled BS

[quaint mauve]

gambling is fun

[lime lake]

[quaint mauve]

the guy that hates everything

[frail veldt]

100%

would have killed the spec probably

[frail veldt]

it would make us probably be tuned to bottom of the meters forever

[quaint mauve]

I FIGURED IT OUT

[quaint mauve]

I WAS RAIDING WITH MY ETHERNET PLUGGED OUT

HOLY SHIT

[frail veldt]

what was your ms difference?

[wintry solar]

I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU

[copper radish]

sorry to say.....

[quaint mauve]

a whole 40 ms

[wintry solar]

What is this suppose to mean

[copper radish]

no changes....

[wintry solar]

Nah we wait for Thursday

I got told I was the best outlaw they've seen in a call

[quaint mauve]

inhsallah i never see ele again i mkeys

[grim spear]

.

[tender wedge]

outlaw fine, see, no buffs needed, probs nerf if anything

[wintry solar]

I can't wait to get a kitty

Should I wait and see what it's personality is like before I name it?

[snow stratus]

Is outlaw viable or is it a troll spec for mythic prog raiding?

[stuck sparrow]

I mean loktark played it for 7/8 bosses.

So it's definitely playable for those.

[snow stratus]

Ok. Thanks

[stuck sparrow]

playable=/= good granted

But I mean he's also probably one of the best players at the spec.

[civic zephyr]

we S tier

[stuck sparrow]

That outlaw score being basically wox and zac.

[frail veldt]

Archon misunderstands tier lists

Or they just know how much tier lists bait people lol

[craggy barn]

soul hunters is a clusterfuck

[quaint mauve]

"prio class"

after second pull halls

[tender wedge]

"fotm mage"

[neon birch]

I recently started playing outlaw, and been really enjoying it. I have a few questions, hope someone can answer them: I noticed everyone on high rating is playing in physical comp. How many buffs are needed for outlaw to outperform other rogue specs in (higher)keys? Which buffs are the best in order?

[worldly juniper]

Second pull when everyone has no cooldowns?

[fathom bramble]

surely the mage used their CDs at some point during the 220 seconds of combat that this details represents

[viral bison]

is offhand stat stick on outlaw too?

[worldly juniper]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[quaint mauve]

i mean if u saw first pull youd assume they didnt use them

+thats overall first and second

and he did least shard dmg

i did most

as ol

[sharp shadow]

getting a chance at a veteran 691 version of the offhand nightfall weapon

is a weekly chance right

[tender wedge]

yep, can be a reward from the weekly quest

[sonic gust]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[heavy mason]

So, CdG is prio after KS? Do we always get 2 CdG procs?

[stiff glade]

The 4 set bonus lets you coup twice within a 5 sec window

Without 4 set it's just 1 coup

[heavy mason]

Ah so I build Combo points for the second coup?

[stiff glade]

Yes, with PS or BF, but don't build with sinister strike between coup procs. If you don't have any other builders available, you would rather consume the coup proc at low combo points than pressing SS, as this can waste potential UB procs, which wouldn't convert to EB stacks before both coups have been consumed. The #outlaw-faq has a good, detailed explanation of all this.

[muted crest]

This unseen+coup interaction should be the prio for blizzard to make it better hate it so much

[cinder haven]

I do think they know that tbh

If they come up with a good solution remains to be seen

[frank finch]

no need , full rework coming october 2nd

[muted crest]

what

[cinder haven]

[frank finch]

[stiff glade]

[cinder haven]

Changes sure

[frank finch]

has to be huge changes

[cinder haven]

I try to keep my expectations low

To soften the blow

[frank finch]

i mean

if we go into midnight with next to no changes

we have to strongly consider rioting

[cinder haven]

I’m sure there’s gonna be changes

And more than average changes even most likely

Full rework I kinda doubt though

Also a bit weird to do full rework on the hero trees we have when they have barely iterated on them

I don’t think trickster is impossible to fix at least

Fatebound maybe hehe

[frank finch]

so close , 3 more days

[cinder haven]

But then only new dh spec news drops and nothing listed about rogues at all

[rotund zodiac]

I hope we get something good

[daring oxide]

How we all doing?

5 days to go until the big outlaw rework

[stiff glade]

The red name

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/wolf-of-wall-street-lets-goo-gif-11742735383203550293

[cinder haven]

I expect patch notes with a big empty gap between priest and shaman as usual

[daring oxide]

No doomies

[cinder haven]

Dooming is all I have left

[rotund zodiac]

[runic gulch]

Bro

I can’t

[jagged plover]

even if you all boss outlaw is bottom 3 heroic and bottom in mythic how is that bang on average

might be the worst overall spec on last 3 bosses too

[worldly shale]

Buddy u might have to check again

we are obviously at the top

[daring oxide]

@vivid vessel this is why we no buffs

Ur fault

[worldly juniper]

This sim has been simulating for 50 minutes now

[haughty wigeon]

I like how they

Ignore the fact

[worldly juniper]

With highest tier raidbots

[haughty wigeon]

Multiple pulls

Zac does less damage than monk

Also I love it when people ignore the fact

That were no where near pick keys for the season and you can push any spec into those level of keys if you have enough time and a team of people to do so

[jagged plover]

OCE servers are cooking

[devout garden]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/124169701881282560/1265638924580159488/outlaw.gif

[mighty pivot]

zac is trolling, what's new?

[runic gulch]

I knew that when I uploaded it, there’d be absolute morons bringing up wox’s 21

[mighty pivot]

these guys would say the same about holy paladins in any season because of ellesmere

[inland acorn]

I mean what do you expect

Average joe in this game sees your BF doing 50% overall in m+

And says outlaw is op, because you just press blade flurry

[mighty pivot]

why don't outlaw rogues just press BF more? are they stupid?

[hardy thicket]

Wtf nerf bladeflurry how is it over 50% of your dmg

[inland acorn]

omg your spec is so easy, you just press bf wtf

[hardy thicket]

Hard spec just press BF I guess

That and "rogue???" When ur below tank first 20+ mob pull gotta be top 2

[mighty pivot]

meanwhile on 16+ 4 dps specs cover 68% representation FDK is 26% alone

[tough salmon]

I need a WA made for Zac, that triggers hysterical laughter, whenever im above him on dps at any moment

[mighty pivot]

wouldn't it get tiresome hearing the laughter half of the run?

[worldly juniper]

Is it even worth using the cursed stone idol in M+ even though it sims well

[vivid vessel]

Meh people are stupid

I truly believe you can get r1 (actual r1) with any spec in the game

Like if you take Kira group

And put idk

Survival hunter in it

Played by yarggi

They will still be r1

[vivid vessel]

Fuck you bro..

[worldly juniper]

lol

[spare dome]

make a WA that switches his playlist with yours @tough salmon

[tropic zephyr]

meh, i remember those high Atal'Dazar runs with safespots (so casters comp only) and rdrood starting key as boomie

like

at some point

only a few comp can optimize the key further

[manic needle]

Hey, i'm jumping into outlaw for the first time. Would you guys recommend going for the new sleight of hand build or just trying to learn the regular one?

[vivid vessel]

game is different nowadays

and we arent there yet

people still time every key with 3 min left

nowadays the game is mostly capped by surviving the key

after a certain point you just cant anymore

[tropic zephyr]

tru

[vivid vessel]

and even if the timer permit it

like if i look at s2 right

we had timer for 22 cinder 22 priory 22 top 22 ws

we didnt do them tho

no one did

only in mdi really

one thing is its hard to survive

and the other is that you dont have the time

its hard getting the keys and trying them

its not the same as sl imo where we were mostly capped by dps

[red zinc]

god comp did irrepairable damage to everyones brains

[void canopy]

zac try to type in english not with truth

[somber plank]

That's right, older dungeons lacked survivability more than damage. That's why even in Dragonflight, people used Augmentation Evoker compositions despite the single-target damage deficit.

[red zinc]

every issue can be linked back to aug no cap

[tropic zephyr]

yeah for sure

also looking at leaderboard for S2

[red zinc]

dont really think this is true at all

shadowlands m+ you were restricted by timer more than deaths

[tropic zephyr]

you kinda proved that you can play "off meta" and still time everything the "meta" team do

[vivid vessel]

I think

its also kinda proven by the chinese

always playing different comps than the west

[red zinc]

frost mage every season

[vivid vessel]

ye

exactyl

[red zinc]

lowkey

lets create a censored internet too so we dont have twitch tier lists anymore

balanced meta instead

[stoic brook]

Shouldnt we get a buff?

[tropic zephyr]

they do love frost

[eager rose]

today I wake up missing something

[tropic zephyr]

SL S3 beta where we could kill ourselves with bte thx to DB

[tulip quarry]

Db + SD XD

[mighty pivot]

good thing popo is asleep

[eager rose]

are we like this now?

[void canopy]

for raid cleave yes

[limber hazel]

Hello all! I have a question, wowhead guide says to use opportunity proc at 3 or less combo points. But when I click the Fan the Hammer talent, it say to use it at 4 or less combo points. I am confused, with Fan the Hammer I build more combo points

maybe is the opposite? 3 or less with Fan the Hammer and 4 or less without it?

[daring oxide]

Agreed I was mostly joking

[tired rune]

It just sucks on some specs infinitely more than others

[inland acorn]

wowhead is correct

it specifies that it's 1 point in fth

which means you'll get less CPs, if you had 2 points in FTH

[limber hazel]

without the talent, Pistol Shot opportunity generates 2 combo, with the talent it generates 3

[inland acorn]

FAQ explains it more clearly

[glass steeple]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[lament flume]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[limber hazel]

another question 😛 if Adrenaline Rush is about to expire in 3s and we dont have 5-6 combo points to combo vanish with BtE, do we still cast Vanish to keep Adrenaline up?

[vivid vessel]

y

[subtle field]

When it comes to m+, after using ks, should the first builders be sinister strike? ofc If I already have coup up I wont use it. but just if I dont have coup up and I just used ks

[quaint mauve]

yes when you have ub you use ss as your builder

you get 2 stacks of ub from KS

[subtle field]

exactly, so just wanted to know if I wanted to use em asap

[quaint mauve]

i mean what else r u gonna press

[inland acorn]

alt f4

[quaint mauve]

i would only use it to go past 6 cps if ik im going to get coup

[subtle field]

pistol shot, and blade flurry

adrenaline rush

[quaint mauve]

no

u don’t

[subtle field]

well you asked what other options there were

I just named them

[quaint mauve]

press those when you have ub

you want to prioritize ub yes

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[cinder haven]

[vivid vessel]

[jolly geyser]

[tribal oasis]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[loud garden]

[winter cave]

Well I learned something about outlaw

if I'm on discord I lose 30% perf

I need to be in complete silence and focus to play it properly lol

[limber hazel]

Slice and Dice is not mentioned in the wowhead guide, do we keep up SnD? or not use it at all?

[vivid vessel]

dispatch maintain it

cast it automatically

[mighty pivot]

that's weak, zac chats here to complain while running keys

[loud garden]

@vivid vessel how do you guys do interrupts/stops so well my mates cant even do it while in vc

[limber hazel]

is dispatch priority if slice and dice is not up? Like opening from Stealth, do I use Dispatch once and then BtE?

[vivid vessel]

we hard assign people

like on 2 casters for example

usually its xhanon - me and kidneys etc on one lad

and porsea - faro - the cat handling the other

[mighty pivot]

crackshot BtE casts a dispatch too and therefore gives SnD

[vivid vessel]

bte cast dispatch with crackshot

fuck you ninjarobot !

[mighty pivot]

no fuck you zac 🕉️

[vivid vessel]

no you fuck me !

[limber hazel]

oh nice. Sry I am new to class, trying to figure it out

[loud garden]

and if we have 3 casters in a pack is the route just cooked

[agile orchid]

next week is our last chance for a buff

[vivid vessel]

i dont think there is much of that this season

is there

[mighty pivot]

maybe in priory?

[vivid vessel]

only thing i can think of is priory

but then you kinda just have casts go trough in priory

and make it work

we yolo everything in priory mostly

when its more than 2 casters

its just

rng bro

pray

[mighty pivot]

maybe eco dome too

[vivid vessel]

and game

nah not really

in priory you have 2 casters

the farstalkers are 25s cd

so its one kick

not even

with a super long cast time anywya

and then the actual bolter

but there is only one bolter par pack max

so you handle that guy