Was it not fixed
#outlaw
ocean lodge
severe drift
I've missed quite few patch but at the time they didn't properly fix it, they did a turnaround
golden lark
Is vai some bigshot? xD
cinder relic
Was it not fixed
It was fixed yeah
ocean lodge
Vai is ion
random stirrup
Vai is a renowned blizzard insider who has literally never predicted anything wrong
ocean lodge
Probably
amber comet
So I started my first rogue and want to play outlaw, but do I have to have a certain amount of haste just to play the spec?
random stirrup
ocean lodge
Yes
golden lark
Vai is a renowned blizzard insider who has literally never predicted anything wr...
So tehre is hope...
severe drift
So I started my first rogue and want to play outlaw, but do I have to have a cer...
are you into bdsm ?
craggy quiver
amber comet
are you into bdsm ?
is that what the spec feels like
severe drift
ye, especially if you don't have haste
ocean lodge
Get 19% haste, play kir
old gull
HO or bust
severe drift
and deep dive into the wonderful world of bdsm
ocean lodge
HO more like NO
neat echo
Are we underrepresented in Keys?
severe drift
and nobody should pick up outlaw aswell
real falcon
I just rerolled outlaw from assa got tired of the low apm lol
neat echo
Assa is a damn snoozefest
real falcon
Yep
neat echo
Well to be honest, at times- so it outlaw.
severe drift
Assa is a damn snoozefest
that's what I feel like with every class/spec outside of outlaw
neat echo
I know right? Its not a raid if you dont walk away from your computer with carpel tunnel suspicions.
random stirrup
nobody shopuld be playing this shit spec
Thoughts on forge staying in?
With dimmy parse now and soulbinder out I think buffs are on the way
vivid vessel
Thoughts on forge staying in?
they removing some of the adds so its fine
and outlaw is already last
cause of dimmy
doesnt matter
spec ded already
this will only kill it more
neat echo
Amazing
vivid vessel
real real
random stirrup
If you’re like 7th from the bottom you’re shit AND not getting buffed
neat echo
Watch them give us RTB off the gcd to silence us for another 2 xpacs.
stuck sparrow
ngl im convinced carpal tunnel is just from bad posture
random stirrup
But actual bottom gg all up from here
stuck sparrow
and hand positioning
random stirrup
ye I mash the hell out of my buttons and play long sessions sometimes
Never had an issue (surely it’s not age related)
neat echo
It was a poor attempt at a joke
severe drift
But actual bottom gg all up from here
from actual bottom to 7th from the bottom, great bargain
neat echo
Either way, what do you guys think they'll put as a bandaid? Do we shut down the discord?
old gull
i dont expect a buff if we're getting a rework and alpha in a couple weeks
slate forge
Can’t blizz just learn how to toggle dmg to bosses can we make them a power point or something
random stirrup
from actual bottom to 7th from the bottom, great bargain
potent yacht
oh no, are they bringing back court of stars for the infinite ring farm?
mighty pivot
no bottom shaming 
frail veldt
they removing some of the adds so its fine
why is dev so low I thought in the rwf they were playing like multiple devs
did they get nerfed or something
vivid vessel
why is dev so low I thought in the rwf they were playing like multiple devs
dev does things
like sub
frail veldt
ah
vivid vessel
also people dont talk about it enough
but some of these bosses
having multiple evokers
random stirrup
You needed time spiral for dimmy
random stirrup
I think max said doing it without 4 for rwf tuning would’ve been hard
frail veldt
oh thats zephyr
vivid vessel
why would you play warlock right
random stirrup
the movement reset?
The big push
frail veldt
I see
random stirrup
Need movement cd up
vivid vessel
on these bosses
frail veldt
interesting
vivid vessel
like a lot
random stirrup
Also p3 running to rings and fighting pulls and stuff
vivid vessel
but dev still do jobs
random stirrup
Rescuing ur slow poke priests and stuff
random stirrup
Also they played aug on nexus
vivid vessel
then in p2 its one of the spec that kill the nullbinders
not really any relevant today
but thats one job that needed done on prog
daring oxide
Vai is a renowned blizzard insider who has literally never predicted anything wr...
My predictions are never wrong because I always ensure to include a disclaimer that there is always a 50/50 chance blizzard will delay
daring oxide
p1 adds right
Is this nimble flurry damage
vivid vessel
and sec tech ye
red zinc
without the disclaimers vurai is about 2 for 33 on his predictions
for the people that are curious
ocean lodge
My predictions would be too insane to be believable.
daring oxide
Yeah but the aoe part (clones damage) doesn’t hit the adds if you do it on dimmy in p1
But if you sectec the add
It cleaves dimmy
mighty pivot
dimmy too fat for that
vivid vessel
idk doesnt matter much
you wanna kill the add fast
i keep dance etc for them
dimmy damage was irrelevant for us
random stirrup
I was banned from ever cleaving the melee add
daring oxide
dimmy too fat for that
I wish sectec scales with boss hitbox
random stirrup
and we held boss dps for 30s
daring oxide
I was banned from ever cleaving the melee add
Lmao same here
Cos I was killing add too fast apparently
vivid vessel
I cleave the one at 1m,in30
random stirrup
So I just afked after range one died
vivid vessel
casue im in cds
daring oxide
Yeah
random stirrup
I held that one for 150 and sent it entirely on ranged guy
mighty pivot
I wish sectec scales with boss hitbox
that would've been insane, they would cleave half the room on dimmy
vivid vessel
well 3 set of adds but ye
daring oxide
that would've been insane, they would cleave half the room on dimmy
That’s the idea haha
Would be beautiful
Imagine if caustic splatter scaled with boss hitbox
mighty pivot
imagine if the models scaled too 
huge shadowgoat mommies
random stirrup
that would've been insane, they would cleave half the room on dimmy
It’s only okay when ele does it
daring oxide
It’s only okay when ele does it
Wait ele does it?!
random stirrup
Yes chain lightning cleaves both sides
random stirrup
That’s why they’re insane for p1
daring oxide
That is just so unfair
random stirrup
They’re always killing both sides melee add
daring oxide
Hopefully in the rework blade flurry will scale off boss hitbox
random stirrup
daring oxide
wet gull
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
junior coral
Bottom of wcl best place to be
I’m at work, you don’t have a screen shot of us being bottom
Do ya? Want to send to my group chat haha
random stirrup
OL being that low on overall with the padding on 3/4 and being good on SH is insane
spare lake
Prayge for rework
hybrid crown
stiff vector
tbh looks like outlaw is fine, probably should give hunters and rets and mages more buffs
ocean lodge
Hmmmmm....bm and ret need another 8%
mighty pivot
no need for buffs, they should instead add lockpicking mechanics in boss fights
ocean lodge
Why learn rogue when I can just die on the multi shot key
stiff vector
actually you dont really need to die on the multi shot key
ocean lodge
Black arrow?
stiff vector
you dont play it as PL, and you barely press it as DR 
ocean lodge
Fucking lol?
torpid heath
we need a wowhead article
random stirrup
Me press black arrow
Me press kill command
Me press barbed shot
Me press cobra shot
15M overall
frail veldt
gaming
real falcon
At least we outlaw purveyors are chads
stiff vector
dmg amp+lust during p3 dimmy
real falcon
ocean lodge
I feel like skill expression should be more of a balancing factor than it is.
Lower than bm is awful lmao
vivid vessel
dmg amp+lust during p3 dimmy <:OMEGALUL:725528295004700772>
ok but
just check the damage amp cuh
random stirrup
dmg amp+lust during p3 dimmy <:OMEGALUL:725528295004700772>
If you truncate to just the 15s dmg amp it bursts higher than boomie/feral/sub
Well maybe not
vivid vessel
random stirrup
But very close
vivid vessel
look at our boy
vivid vessel
cinder haven
He’s beating all the healers
frail veldt
no buffs needed
ocean lodge
I always make it a point to call surv players Chads.
stiff vector
like its fine obv not having burst to leverage for stuff like dmg amps but....this? This is fucking insanely pathetic
lone spear
if damage amps stay, current version of outlaw will always be dog
cinder haven
every single healer he beats, what’s the problem
random stirrup
Well this one is specifically because dimmy downtime so he lost AR
random stirrup
It’s not quite that bad normally
vivid vessel
It’s not quite that bad normally
?
i did nexus king twcie as outlaw
both time i was right in the middle
of the 2 tanks
granted i got unlucky rng
random stirrup
well ur doing like 5M mostly consistently right? you would expect amp damage to be like 10M which is still garbage
frail veldt
granted i got unlucky rng
yeah see thats fair
if you get unlucky
you should lose to a tank
random stirrup
But he’d be with the warlocks instead of the healer
frail veldt
thats how the spec should be
ocean lodge
Does killing spree even hit particularly hard for its channel duration
frail veldt
gamba right?
frail veldt
Does killing spree even hit particularly hard for its channel duration
yes
its our highest dpet
cinder haven
Well
vivid vessel
well ur doing like 5M mostly consistently right? you would expect amp damage to ...
ye ok
and you know
cinder haven
Not by much
wintry solar
Damn I catch strays in my sleep too
random stirrup
frail veldt
Not by much
sure but it still technically does more damage than even if you were chain proccing ace right?
cinder haven
Crackshot bte is about as much dpet
frail veldt
its close yeah
but I mean thats still a lot
like chain proccing ace in crackshot
thats how much damage KS is doing
random stirrup
where 10mil
ITS NOT AS BAD AS 6M
ocean lodge
its our highest dpet
The bar is underground though
vivid vessel
ITS NOT AS BAD AS 6M
cinder haven
Yeah it’s something but also not really
random stirrup
40% increase huge!
frail veldt
The bar is underground though
wdym
frail veldt
Yeah it’s something but also not really
sure yeah its not great but it is still our highest haha
cinder haven
Still flatline
frail veldt
whats our current effective cd of KS
ocean lodge
What's flatter, current outlaw or df destro
wintry solar
Apologize right meow
lone spear
this spec design just doesnt really work in the current game. they love downtime and they love damage amps. its time to make us only suck during one of those pls
random stirrup
and while ccd
frail veldt
oh true
ocean lodge
What if we turned rtb into bandits guile is shot to death instantly
lone spear
its to the point where i'm actually down for them to just remove restless blades and make our abilities just have the avg CD they currently have
frail veldt
its to the point where i'm actually down for them to just remove restless blades...
!ban
lone spear
like i cba with the spec with these bosses
quiet root
this spec design just doesnt really work in the current game. they love downtime...
well the reasons for sucking during downtime and amps are the same
ocean lodge
its to the point where i'm actually down for them to just remove restless blades...
That would be horrible and cause the discord to crusade In a way the paladins wish they could
lone spear
i know, engine of the spec, blah blah
wintry solar
Delete uhuh and unnerf energy. Ggez
ocean lodge
Instructions unclear, deleted rtb and crackshot
random stirrup
@vivid vessel outlaw in damage amp or 1.5 resto shamans?
wintry solar
Ded gummit
ocean lodge
Also kir because why not
lone spear
i think they will delete KiR
wintry solar
I do too
lone spear
or just make it give a 5 roll
frail veldt
I think theyll rework it
potent yacht
HO is such a more fun playstyle. KIR is dumb af
frail veldt
more off gcd things makes a spec less smooth imo
ocean lodge
I liked kir more when I deleted the rtb weakaura
real falcon
Have we considered deleting discord like paladins dkd
wintry solar
what if they just remove RTB and KIR
They talked about out in the context of unholy wounds so maybe
quiet root
RTB should be off GCD too
no way they do this and leave supercharger in the game
ocean lodge
Nah, the meta is getting wowhead to post about your class
frail veldt
no way they do this and leave supercharger in the game
wdym
thats how sub has it
their sc ability is off gcd
potent yacht
rtb feels so bad pressing it dont tell me otherwise lol
frail veldt
rtb feels so bad pressing it dont tell me otherwise lol
I like pressing rtb lol
gaunt phoenix
Have we considered deleting discord like paladins dkd
good one
lone spear
supercharger just sucks with killing spree
quiet root
thats how sub has it
but rtb is on a much shorter effective cooldown
lone spear
other than that its legit neutral
ocean lodge
"Sir, they deleted the outlaw discord" "there's an outlaw discord?"
frail veldt
but rtb is on a much shorter effective cooldown
well we press rtb not that often tbh
I mean compared to symbols
symbols is like 3 charges with talent and 30s cd
you press it a lot
at least during your actual rotation
potent yacht
do u know how good outlaw felt after feint got off gcd
frail veldt
not the huge down time
frail veldt
do u know how good outlaw felt after feint got off gcd
yeah but thats a defensive that you press in reaction to mechanics
ocean lodge
Df s3 was peak outlaw
quiet root
well we press rtb not that often tbh
yeah now, but if it was ogcd supercharger stacks you'd press it way more
potent yacht
yea why sit there doing zero dps rtb lol
frail veldt
yeah now, but if it was ogcd supercharger stacks you'd press it way more
I dont think so
wintry solar
I like pressing rtb lol
Same tbh
potent yacht
outlaw does 100+apm do even do dps
wintry solar
Df s3 was peak outlaw
Shadowlands was
real falcon
Circling back should the rtb WA not be used with KIR?
ocean lodge
Shadowlands was
Ew, shadowlands
frail veldt
putting rtb off gcd would just add unecessary apm imo
covert kestrel
Circling back should the rtb WA not be used with KIR?
rtb WA is a resource hog, just learn the rules
wintry solar
If we're talking about peak rogue, expansion content doesn't matter.
It's 1000% Shadowlands
ocean lodge
Hell no
quiet root
rtbs cost is removing your buffs
right, but i think having it off gcd will make that cost worth it in a lot of situations
ocean lodge
Df s3 is top
frail veldt
right, but i think having it off gcd will make that cost worth it in a lot of si...
I dont think it will
1 gcd is not that expensive
losing half your buffs cuz you slammed rtb is VERY expensive
you would probabably roll with the exact same rules as now
lone spear
doesnt matter because we're gonna get it so that rtb is replaced by snd
like in legion
potent yacht
rtb should grant new buff everytime u press it ngl
i would be happy not being on gcd then
frail veldt
right now we press rtb every 25s
lone spear
welllll
frail veldt
thats not that often
lone spear
assuming you arent sleight/have good rolls
covert kestrel
with the focus of reduction on weakauras, idk why anyone is even discussing rtb changes cause theres no shot that they want to keep the 6 buff tracking long term
gaunt phoenix
Rtb off the global is deep fried and will never happen
frail veldt
we press it on average every 25s
lone spear
ok average and every are different things
frail veldt
supercharger isnt remotely enough value to negate LOSING BUFFS
and the gcd doesnt matter
cinder relic
Rtb off gcd suggestions is everything wrong with current outlaw
frail veldt
when you press it that infrequently already
tbh outlaw doesnt need to press more buttons
that wont solve the spec
or improve it in any way
nor will blizzard ever do it
wintry solar
with the focus of reduction on weakauras, idk why anyone is even discussing rtb ...
With their UI overhaul you can. I think they want to lighten the load though. Hopefully not through rtb.
cinder relic
Yeah man just what outlaw needed. More apm and more nonsense
old gull
We def need more apm I think
frail veldt
its a rotational ability it should be on gcd
off gcd should be used very sparingly imo
it clutters the rotation
potent yacht
every rtb should give 1 guarantee roll ur missing and still have ur previous one tick off with a chance to roll 2+. how about that.
stiff vector
why are ppl obsessed with taking anything and everything off the gcd lol
old gull
I want adrenaline rush to be one of the rtb buffs
frail veldt
why are ppl obsessed with taking anything and everything off the gcd lol
no clue
random stirrup
Make kir an off gcd no cooldown ability that costs 5 energy to extend buffs by 1 second
frail veldt
kir being off gcd makes some sense cuz its a reactive ability
quiet root
and the gcd doesnt matter
idk i think this is just untrue, the equivalent of 6 combo points off the gcd is insane. losing buffs in many situations is a strong counterbalance, i'll admit, but damn
frail veldt
idk i think this is just untrue, the equivalent of 6 combo points off the gcd is...
its not when it costs your rtb buffs
ocean lodge
I mean I think a lot of things with a gcd right now don't really need it, but that's major cooldowns
frail veldt
it just doesnt matter
yeah long cds being off gcd can feel better so you dont have to spend a lot of globals "setting up"
wintry solar
I wonder why blizz decided to make outlaw over engineered
lone spear
i mean their reasoning is because theres an attack attatched
frail veldt
I think things that do damage or apply debuffs should be on gcd
buffs and stuff can be off gcd
ocean lodge
Deathmark doesn't do much without the setup though
frail veldt
its a damaging ability
ocean lodge
as opposed to a paladin waking and obliterating a pack
frail veldt
that applies something to the enemy
ocean lodge
nah
lone spear
yea its like, an attack, thats why
frail veldt
I mean assa is a bleed spec
quiet root
its not when it costs your rtb buffs
HO rolled at <5 buffs last season right? ofc it was because of the tier set but still
frail veldt
HO rolled at <5 buffs last season right? ofc it was because of the tier set but ...
well the only buff options were 1,2,5
so it rolled at >2 technically
quiet root
did it not play cto?
frail veldt
it did
lone spear
there was a rule where u could hold off rolling if at 4
frail veldt
yeah
if you removed gcd from rtb
you would have rolled the same
lol
thats my point
you wouldnt have rolled at 5 buffs
with no gcd
it would literally change nothing
quiet root
yeah the same as the super aggro rolling of s2
frail veldt
the gcd is irrelevant
no gcd will not change roll rules
if it does it will change it VERY minorly
but most likely not at all
lone spear
i hope if anything changes its the current vanish rules
wintry solar
Real
ocean lodge
A gcd probably isn't going to hurt a spec with a faster gcd much
lone spear
vanish into GS just feels icky
quiet root
i hope if anything changes its the current vanish rules
i mean surely they'll fix the bug at some point
lone spear
well that one isnt a bug
wintry solar
The spec is fun when I don't have to check for 4 seperate things to vanish
covert kestrel
The spec is fun when I don't have to check for 4 seperate things to vanish
what if we just didnt vanish at all
wintry solar
I'd like that too
old gull
The spec is fun when I don't have to check for 4 seperate things to vanish
Just be like me and send stuff. Sometimes I parse orange sometimes it’s blue. It’s my own little roll the bones
cinder relic
Fast specs are fun when they dont have 10+ different conditionals to juggle
real falcon
Yes
potent yacht
yea u get rid of kir xD
ocean lodge
KIR is just better, but I like how HO plays
wintry solar
what if we just didnt vanish at all
I'd like this more actually, because then I'd have vanish ready for when I need it in pvp
ocean lodge
it would be nice if outlaw actually had any staying power at all in a pvp fight
quiet root
KIR is bullshit anyway in its current state because you don't even use the intended stealth builder xd
covert kestrel
I'd like this more actually, because then I'd have vanish ready for when I need ...
its the number 1 complaint of outlaw haters so i assume blizzard wants to change that
dawn talon
KIR is bullshit anyway in its current state because you don't even use the inten...
this is why i like kir
i hate hitting ambush
dawn talon
its the number 1 complaint of outlaw haters so i assume blizzard wants to change...
but it's like
potent yacht
i hate hitting ambush
oh so u like hitting SS 10k times got it
dawn talon
outlaw has hit vanish rotationally since before it was outlaw
cinder relic
People who "hate outlaw" will always find a thing to hate about it
dawn talon
oh so u like hitting SS 10k times got it
yep
quiet root
i hate hitting ambush
sure but do you really like hitting ss?
ocean lodge
thats why it's stupid
dawn talon
yep
quiet root
i mean, based tbh
ocean lodge
I love my class design being dictated by morons that don't play it.
old gull
Outlaw is fun as is, just some less mysterious interactions and buff tracking would be nice
wintry solar
It's not about vanish it's about being useless outside of subterfuge
ocean lodge
what if we all just gave blizzard feedback about how awful ret feels to play as people who don't play ret so they get nuked
covert kestrel
They should have given us two charges of shadow dance instead of vanish and called it scurvy dance to calm the rp nerds
potent yacht
outlaw isnt fun in dawnbreaker when ur flying and ur AR runs off and ur complete dogshit in the following pack lol
quiet root
outlaw isnt fun in dawnbreaker when ur flying and ur AR runs off and ur complete...
stealth before mounting and fly fast 🙂
old gull
Balancing around ar is my big beef
lone spear
i think playing other specs this patch has given me perspective on how much friction outlaw has
potent yacht
stealth before mounting and fly fast 🙂
somtimes its not enough haha
severe drift
stealth before mounting and fly fast 🙂
you gotta fly very fast, for the family !
lone spear
it is not in a good spot rn, it needs the rework
wintry solar
Also outlaw could go the stealthless route to make it more unique from the other specs.
ocean lodge
I get how in some ways outlaw is a hard spec to balance
But I don't like it when idiots say shit like vanish is a problem, like, no?
covert kestrel
Also outlaw could go the stealthless route to make it more unique from the other...
and rename it combat
ocean lodge
For pure solo content MAYBE
quiet root
But I don't like it when idiots say shit like vanish is a problem, like, no?
open-world gamer take
wintry solar
and rename it combat
No
potent yacht
but im sure it doesnt feel bad as tank chain pulling when ur playing sin and doesnt let u restealth
xD
covert kestrel
that could be fixed another way too like
make a choice node in rogue tree drop a combat dummy that takes aggro for 3s whenever you press vanish
naruto type beat
potent yacht
oO clone no jutsu
quiet root
i will say though that thematically it doesn't make sense for outlaw to vanish this much, that's the only "problem" with it
old gull
Making solo encounters harder that they keep dropping is part of the skill cap for outlaw now bro
covert kestrel
i will say though that thematically it doesn't make sense for outlaw to vanish t...
we're still rogues
wintry solar
Rogues don't always stealth
potent yacht
make a choice node in rogue tree drop a combat dummy that takes aggro for 3s whe...
dummy would have to be a wooden pirate to be constant with the theme
quiet root
we're still rogues
but should outlaw really be the one going into stealth the most?
wintry solar
There are loads of different sub archetypes of rogues
lone spear
they probably dont see it as a problem cause u can technically opt out of stealth as outlaw
even if it is like what, 50% less damage
potent yacht
no vanish the spec is broke wut u mean lol
covert kestrel
they probably dont see it as a problem cause u can technically opt out of stealt...
she greens on my skin til i wickers
lone spear
legit u just dont take UHUH, dont take crackshot, dont take right side class tree
old gull
Full mastery too go go
potent yacht
i wish outlaw was mastery based ngl. then could swap spec freely
ocean lodge
make a choice node in rogue tree drop a combat dummy that takes aggro for 3s whe...
Or that distract mirage thing that nobody uses as a pvp talent
covert kestrel
i wish outlaw was mastery based ngl. then could swap spec freely
i dont, vers is bae
old gull
i wish outlaw was mastery based ngl. then could swap spec freely
The dream tbh
potent yacht
vers/mast
lone spear
i mean sub is vers mast
wintry solar
Or that distract mirage thing that nobody uses as a pvp talent
What talent are you talking about?
potent yacht
The dream tbh
we would only have problem of finding a dagger but not a prob at all 😄
wintry solar
If the only issue would be weapons thatd be huge
frail veldt
Or that distract mirage thing that nobody uses as a pvp talent
they use it in blitz/rbgs actually haha
cuz it gives you an extra teleport
sub uses it
ocean lodge
for what, lmao
ocean lodge
What talent are you talking about?
ocean lodge
ah
frail veldt
its like 100 yard range
old gull
It’s also op rogue v rogue at a base too
ocean lodge
I've never seen it used, is it like an actual entity
lone spear
why yall talking about minigame
ocean lodge
because if not that idea is moot
old gull
why yall talking about minigame
lone spear
what rogue really needs is taunt
potent yacht
two weeks of no uncapped crests with turbo boost is crazy
are u new to the game? loolol
covert kestrel
main gauche gaming
cinder haven
How can there be so much yap in here when no one is playing the spec?
quiet root
riposte was better in classic 🙂
cinder haven
Oh wait nvm it makes perfect sense
old gull
How can there be so much yap in here when no one is playing the spec?
I can’t quit the spec im trying
quiet root
How can there be so much yap in here when no one is playing the spec?
no one is playing so we're all sitting in here
wintry solar
It worked in classic
quiet root
yapping
lone spear
How can there be so much yap in here when no one is playing the spec?
cause its fucking trash
old gull
I like to yap on my lunch break
wintry solar
We're all mid key btw. We're just playing bm
severe drift
How can there be so much yap in here when no one is playing the spec?
I do play the spec
covert kestrel
How can there be so much yap in here when no one is playing the spec?
we are dedicated to the cause
severe drift
Im here for my daily dose of fun
lone spear
covert kestrel
harder the spec, the smaller the community, the closer the community
cinder haven
old gull
I got 3k I am done. Just need gear to help me kill kyveza but I am too old to follow clone order
lone spear
its ok my mythic raid team still had people fucking up clones on nexus king
potent yacht
I got 3k I am done. Just need gear to help me kill kyveza but I am too old to fo...
i dont think this fights a gear issue lol u need eyes
old gull
i dont think this fights a gear issue lol u need eyes
Shit
potent yacht
enlighten us crimp
mighty pivot
I actually used that in bgs and people were very confused and tried to aoe the illusion 
covert kestrel
petition to change crimpdini's name to shrimpdini
junior coral
Just did a ouija board… all it said was big rogue buffs outlaw go brrrrrr
wintry solar
Crimpdiddy
potent yacht
https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-to-put-it-shrimply-crustacean-marine-biology-gif-2...
I feel attacked
what i do?
old gull
Idk your name makes me think of those gifs
covert kestrel
https://tenor.com/view/shrimp-to-put-it-shrimply-crustacean-marine-biology-gif-2...
this triggered my fight or flight
frail veldt
yeah I did not like that
potent yacht
i hit vanish when they squared up
covert kestrel
well no dinars til oct 21 looks like my break is extending indefinitely
wintry solar
Yall every have muscadines?
junior coral
I’m just waiting on DF classic lmao… to enjoy rogue in season 3
ocean lodge
I don't really care for dinar so much as the crest cap removal
old gull
Season of discovery 2 so I can be tank outlaw
severe drift
I’m just waiting on DF classic lmao… to enjoy rogue in season 3
S3 DF Outlaw rogue was peak
wintry solar
I’m just waiting on DF classic lmao… to enjoy rogue in season 3
Your waiting for the rogue that started all this?
severe drift
s1 df outlaw was peaker
Old KS ???? Are u nuts ?
severe drift
it actually was
wintry solar
I ran dreadblades
junior coral
I miss S3 df outlaw and I loved old bone spike for rogue where I could snipe
wintry solar
S3 df took my mfd and dreadblades away.
potent yacht
who actually likes the new KS. design is good but conceptually it's lame af
potent yacht
i wish they made it like wowtoxic
wintry solar
I think the concept is so corny
potent yacht
where ur actuallly frontal omnislashing
junior coral
I’ve been playing rogue for 20+ years though, I’m a true OG
wintry solar
I'm not a fan of the gunslinger archetype
ocean lodge
I love the gunshot spam ks, I don't love it for the random targeting
potent yacht
why they change our omnislash to bte channels
mighty pivot
popo can't go a day without talking about dreadblades
severe drift
compared to old KS, this one is top notch. I actually dont like getting randomly killed in aoe
wintry solar
popo can't go a day without talking about dreadblades
I didn't talk about it yesterday
covert kestrel
unironically if they had just set teleport=0 like wox showed in the private client it wouldve been so much better
ocean lodge
I'm a sucker for visual flair, and I think old ks looked stupid since they changed the anim
covert kestrel
the new icon is a banger tho
potent yacht
lol yes rank 1 rogue
wintry solar
wox
ocean lodge
no, that's zac
vivid vessel
wtf
potent yacht
keke
wintry solar
Wox>Zac
ocean lodge
waow
potent yacht
LOL
wintry solar
mighty pivot
classic youtube
potent yacht
well those hit all targets ours random so no lol
wintry solar
classic youtube
What do you watch
jolly geyser
covert kestrel
classic youtube
thats on you chief
mighty pivot
wdym I don't watch shit on yt
potent yacht
classic youtube
thats ur algo bro what u been watching
wintry solar
I think you watch exclusively shit on youtube
mighty pivot
I think I watched parts of zac's vods 
old gull
wintry solar
That makes sense
mighty pivot
and like music I cannot find on spotify
wintry solar
I hate when grapes have seeds
potent yacht
is zac tom
wintry solar
Yes
potent yacht
ah haha
mighty pivot
those are not fictional words?
old gull
Harry Potter grapes
wintry solar
Idk what I'd do if I hear a British person say to me "They're not called grapes, they're called scuppernongs you yankee"
lone spear
she scupper on my nong
winged inlet
does blizz have sales around xmas? like sub action
wintry solar
They do have sales, not on subs I don't think
mighty pivot
only on burgers
mighty pivot
make one, didn't you buy like 20kg of beef the other day?
proven ocean
mighty pivot
Ever since the incident...
now you know to be careful where you stick it
mighty pivot
I didn't stick it in anything
don't worry we know
wintry solar
I was building up to a joke 
mighty pivot
was the joke outlaw?
mighty pivot
too late bozo, now not only you didn't get to make the joke, you also got burnt
mighty pivot
blind trust
mighty pivot
in private please, we don't want the actual rogue devs to get any ideas
daring oxide
@wintry solar
mighty pivot
and then delete the messages so that no proof remains
or you guys can discuss it over a date 
daring oxide
popo ignore me 🙁
wintry solar
Sorry I was busy
noble matrix
Hello guys can someone good with macros can help me with macroing the cursed idol ? Sinc eit's a cast time it's not working idk why
wintry solar
Busy NOT poopin
daring oxide
Hello guys can someone good with macros can help me with macroing the cursed ido...
its a channel
and u can move while using it
noble matrix
But it gets cancel if i spam smthg right?
mighty pivot
if you press something it stops iirc yes
noble matrix
and is there a way of macroing it so i cant cast smthg to avoid overlap?
mighty pivot
and is there a way of macroing it so i cant cast smthg to avoid overlap?
I don't think so other than making all your buttons macros with [nochanneling] (if that even works for the trinket) which would work badly with KS. You just need to be careful when you press it
why am I on the receiving end of a feet emoji 
old gull
i just liked the emoji
mighty pivot
why do you even have that emoji @jolly geyser?
gaunt phoenix
ram has every emote under the sun
jolly geyser
idk,just uploaded it. Saw it in twitch chat
wintry solar
give me your wishlist for outlaw rework
Uhuh reworked to not drop adr when not attacking for 3 seconds
HO deleted and Ambush just does that now. Imp Ambush gone.
7th CP gone so dry spells from poor rng aren't so bad.
Opportunity chance increased
Haste tax reverted
Crackshot on charges
Replace ho with a new capstone that builds a stacking buff from opp procs and after X procs, you explode dealing aoe fire dmg.
GSW now instead of increases PS dmg, it turns PS into a cone of fire damage.
Pistol Shot/BtE deals fire damage
Talent placements reshuffled (goes without saying but just in case)
Mastery scales fire damage.
solemn radish
Doomed rogue dev writing these down furiously
daring oxide
hmmmm
mighty pivot
if all of these are true in alpha can we permaban popo?
daring oxide
not bad
wintry solar
That last one is idk
gaunt phoenix
i think making kir force a 5 buff is the closest thing we could get to a cooldown. at least a guaranteed good opener
but if you wanted complete control of a cd it would need charges
daring oxide
i think making kir force a 5 buff is the closest thing we could get to a cooldow...
absolutely
keen belfry
i did a flood today where my first KIR was at the end of 2nd pull
wintry solar
There were things I knew I was missing but couldn't remember and that's one of them fs
keen belfry
felt cooked
daring oxide
felt cooked
my life too
ive even sent KIR
on 2 buffs
🙁
but it was BS and TB
tbf
mighty pivot
what about the cursed 0 buff KIR?
wintry solar
https://tenor.com/view/youve-got-to-be-squidding-me-its-as-shrimple-as-that-shri...
What's wrong with it
The 0 buff kir is a humbling experience
keen belfry
whats the lowest you guys do ST in keys rn
i just did 3.3 on last boss flood and it felt really realyl bad
old gull
What's wrong with it
nothing im just shit posting
wintry solar
EVIL
mighty pivot
I want to see something being done about missing BS feeling so bad
keen belfry
missing bs feels like, 25x less bad if oyu play 2fth
keen belfry
pressing PS in stealth window and not even being able to press BTE is crazy
mighty pivot
missing BS feels quite ok as HO, it's way more noticeable as KIR
wintry solar
Hmmm
worldly sinew
I just don't want us to get pushed into the 1.5/2min window that all the other specs get shoved into.
I like that we're different in that aspect. I like the uptime spec.
wintry solar
Vai can I be dev now?
mighty pivot
Vai can I be dev now?
yes you can reroll devastation. cya!
wintry solar
mighty pivot
covert kestrel
give me your wishlist for outlaw rework
Nuke crackshots reliance on stealth, figure out a way to make uhuh pause for times when we have forced downtime outside of stealth, remove the individual buffs from RtB in favor of something else more cd-y so we aren't just useless on amps anymore
mighty pivot
wasn't fronteir teal coloured yesterday?
wintry solar
I was gonna add crackshot being on charges
thorny zinc
what if adr or kir just increased the effectiveness of the buffs or smth
dawn talon
Nuke crackshots reliance on stealth, figure out a way to make uhuh pause for tim...
WHAT
this is so cooked man
rtb IS outlaw
without it why not just play something else
covert kestrel
this is so cooked man
I'm just getting everyone ready for next week is all
RtB is gonna be the first thing to go in the simplification of outlaw
mighty pivot
rtb to improved CTO would work fine and keep its identity
as well as rebalancing the buffs rtb gives
and make fatal flourish guaranteed just rebalance its energy generation
covert kestrel
Blizzards weakaura reduction focus will not allow for 6 random buffs to be a part of the specs identity anymore
covert kestrel
without it why not just play something else
This isn't what I want, this is just what we need to be prepared for lol
wintry solar
The buff tracking is possible with the ui elements they're adding
wintry solar
Uhuh reworked to not drop adr when not attacking for 3 seconds
HO deleted and A...
Revised
severe drift
gimme 100% adr uptime if played correctly, and more mono && aoe dmg and I'll be fine
wintry solar
You should be able to lose adr even if played correctly
severe drift
You should be able to lose adr even if played correctly
we discussed about it already, I cannot disagree more
mighty pivot
CAN YOU NOT USE EVASION ON GOLDFUSE AOE ANYMORE?
did you turn your back when you got succ?
daring oxide
no
wintry solar
You like outlaw for all the wrong reasons and it doesn't hold up well
daring oxide
ii thiunk they hotfixed it?
severe drift
I wanna pew pew pew
wintry solar
You don't need to butcher outlaw to do that
mighty pivot
ain't no way they nerfed evasion for no reason
severe drift
APM outlaw is the main reason I'm not sleeping while playing, that's litteraly the only reason I play Outlaw lmao
wintry solar
Low adr doesn't mean low apm
severe drift
tired of APM Outlaw ? Great news, there are shit tons of classes and specs ahead of you
it does
wintry solar
This guy
opaque flume
SL Outlaw inc
gib back 7yd range pls
opaque flume
fucking hate this t-rex arm shit
wintry solar
Thx for the reminder
wintry solar
it does
What about when adr was half of what it is now and still one of the highest apm specs?
mighty pivot
ii thiunk they hotfixed it?
I have found a report from 4 minutes ago where it was parried. That makes it dodgeable as well
I thought I could trust you blindly vai
severe drift
What about when adr was half of what it is now and still one of the highest apm ...
wdym by one of the highest ? You could litteraly be 90 apm and still be #1 class. I like the 130/140 apm much
daring oxide
i have evidence
opal raven
CAN YOU NOT USE EVASION ON GOLDFUSE AOE ANYMORE?
Yes you still can I did it 30 minutes ago
keen belfry
did wcl change change how they count outlaw cpm
solid kelp
could you turn ur back to goldfuse by any chance?
mighty pivot
is this logged? this shows nothing because you could be facing wrongly
solid kelp
how is 140 apm even possible
vivid vessel
when you get close to center
you need to fight back
otherwise she can yank you around
when you get middle
and you have your back showing
severe drift
how is 140 apm even possible
I believe we were at 170 apm during S4 DF but there was something weird pumping up the numbers, cannot recall what
mighty pivot
keen belfry
I believe we were at 170 apm during S4 DF but there was something weird pumping ...
ps for example was 3casts per 1 cast
wintry solar
You're not a dh bro, it happens
mighty pivot
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/BchXy3WwkLJV284P?fight=last&type=damage-taken&ability=350090&view=events log from 30 minutes ago btw
jolly geyser
?????????????
mighty pivot
You're not a dh bro, it happens
popo remember when evasion wasn't 100% and you had to gamble?
daring oxide
hmm
severe drift
ps for example was 3casts per 1 cast
ty
mighty pivot
ye I was checking whether your memory still holds
you never know when dementia hits
wintry solar
Four eel
I remember needing to make potions while leveling too
And being happy I got food as a quest reward
mighty pivot
in game or irl?
wintry solar
In game
jolly geyser
both
mighty pivot
why
wintry solar
My mom makes jelly but she's going out of town and by the time she comes back, they'll be bad.
mighty pivot
how many do you have?
wintry solar
3kg
mighty pivot
no way you are eating 1kg grapes a day
wintry solar
I'm munching them throughout the day
dawn talon
no way you are eating 1kg grapes a day
that's not that hard
wintry solar
I'm collecting the seeds too
dawn talon
i just finished eating roughly 1kg of blackberries
mighty pivot
plant them
mighty pivot
popo confirmed a juicer
wintry solar
I had one but when my sister was little she put bananas in it and burnt the motor
mighty pivot
lol good test I suppose
wintry solar
It wasn't a high quality juicer anyway
wintry solar
I'm saving for house renovations but yeah a juicer would be nice
Fruit juice is a scam
mighty pivot
will you finally have a toilet indoors?
wintry solar
Let's not get too crazy
dawn talon
buying fruit juice is like
would you like to buy apple juice, sweetened apple juice, or colored apple juice
lol
mighty pivot
is that a us thing?
wintry solar
We have cotton candy grape juice
mighty pivot
wintry solar
Cotton candy grapes, btw, are hybrids through cross pollination and not genetic engineering like most would think.
The cotton candy is an after taste
mighty pivot
very educational
severe drift
Cotton candy grapes, btw, are hybrids through cross pollination and not genetic ...
you just killed a bunch of italian and french fellas
dawn talon
is that a us thing?
it's a problem globally but it's definitely worse in the us
wintry solar
The juice you get for a dollar is absolutely cotton candy flavor in grape juice though. Since cotton candy grapes are seasonal.
And I can buy the juice in the winter
dawn talon
i had a uhhh
viognier grape juice
that was sold as a mixer or something
it was very good but i would not have paid for it myself
wintry solar
you just killed a bunch of italian and french fellas
They've been cross pollinating all sorts of stuff since before the fall of the roman empire.
severe drift
They wouldn't do such thing nowadays as their vineyard are protected by stuff like AOP
wintry solar
We just turned ours into candy 
dawn talon
They wouldn't do such thing nowadays as their vineyard are protected by stuff li...
france has government protected cross pollination fields too
and i think they have guidelines on what pollinators you can keep recreationally near them
so you don't interfere with them lol
severe drift
ye
wintry solar
They could've had cotton candy grapes first
Cotton candy would've been "grape" flavor of today
mighty pivot
apple juice is part of mixed juice often but you can definitely find 100% X juice here
jolly geyser
cotton candy grapes seems to be US only
jolly geyser
cali area
dawn talon
cotton candy grapes seems to be US only
you can get them in spain too probably
IFG has like sponsored growers in egypt and spain that i know of
and they're the ones who bred those grapes
so
jolly geyser
I dont eat a lot of grapes but those sounds fun
stiff vector
outlaw channel has devolved into grapes and juice channel....devs, help us.
wintry solar
At first you get white grape and then a wave of cotton candy coats your mouth
covert kestrel
cotton candy grapes seems to be US only
the fucked up things are the apples that taste exactly like grapes. like normal looking and feeling apples but its just grape flavor the whole way through
jolly geyser
spec shit,talk over
wintry solar
the fucked up things are the apples that taste exactly like grapes. like normal ...
Is that real?
severe drift
outlaw channel has devolved into grapes and juice channel....devs, help us.
petition to rename this chan into #lawful
covert kestrel
Is that real?
at some point yes, i had them in my youth
dawn talon
designer fruit/juice is very very good
definitely at least worth it
my aunt sends me pears every year for the holidays
covert kestrel
my aunt sends me pears every year for the holidays
oh are those the dank pears in the box
wintry solar
Shoutout to all my pears
dawn talon
oh are those the dank pears in the box
no, this is like a step above those
(those are really good too though)
wintry solar
My grandma had a pear tree in her front yard
dawn talon
they come in a padded crate directly from some local place that only grows like 2 varieties of pear they bred themselves
i can only imagine they are very expensive but my aunt is wealthy and crazy so if she wants to spend her money on shit like that who am i to stop her
covert kestrel
they come in a padded crate directly from some local place that only grows like ...
oh damn thats crazy
yeah we had one relative send those box pears every christmas, and one was always in golden wrapper for some reason?
i think a perfect pear might be a top tier fruit
jolly geyser
crisp apple better
covert kestrel
but its always such a narrow window
junior coral
Perfect mango go burr
daring oxide
vivid vessel
UGLY ASS
keen belfry
yeah no cap
wintry solar
I like
gaunt phoenix
Belf 🤢
daring oxide
its void elf actually
gaunt phoenix
Velf 🤢
gaunt phoenix
fem dwarf 👍
daring oxide
yup
wintry solar
jolly geyser
rogue
wintry solar
thats the best dreadblades skin btw
the green and purple is good too
god that is HOT
mighty pivot
the best one is the rapier appearance if only they weren't huge
lusty abyss
they should entirely remove rtb at this point. so frustrating to play keys when rolls are dog
mighty pivot
hotfix: rtb removed
wintry solar
buff energy and remove 1 cp and its all good
dawn talon
they should entirely remove rtb at this point. so frustrating to play keys when ...
rtb is really not a substantial part of our variance
bright crane
Yeah you tell em!!
dawn talon
if you do not like rtb just play a different spec man
lusty abyss
perma broadside would feel good
jolly geyser
the best one is the rapier appearance if only they weren't huge
ye they scrape the ground
dawn talon
i started to reeeeally hate s2 tier
wintry solar
my best was 5 back to back 5 buff rolls
jolly geyser
I miss rogue where I didnt say "ffs" in keys alot
dawn talon
df s3 owned
tww s1 was better from class design perspective but
dungeon pool was very unfavourable
to outlaw
mighty pivot
im over trying to make myself like uhuh
do you like a-ha instead?
mighty pivot
what a name though
wintry solar
it is
quaint mauve
Just buff CtO proc chance
remove rtb and do this
runic gulch
Would probably narrow the gap between HO and KiR too
Or just make fth one node
Or reduce ADR cd
Any of these would mitigate the issue of the spec falling apart when broadside isn’t up
dawn talon
the issue is just pc existing
our st tuning sucks bc pc exists
we have to play 1fth bc pc exists
quaint mauve
the issue is just pc existing
its just bc how new blade flurry is coded bro