outlaw

[keen belfry]

right?????????????????????????????

[dawn talon]

buldak fs the play

[mighty pivot]

I mean, maybe that's their intention but in reality sometimes it's every week, other times every 3 weeks (the last 3 have been at 12 Aug, 19 Aug, 9 Sept)

[keen belfry]

my beef still frozen i fucke dup

[stiff vector]

Buldak is fire, which flavors you like? I get them from this sick Korean mart by me

[random stirrup]

Less so damage amps

More so add cleave

[dawn talon]

no way man

its over

[cinder relic]

Doesn't stop specs like feral rn

[random stirrup]

My boomie beats me on Dimensius damage amp btw. They just don’t cleave well

[cinder relic]

Yeah balance as well

[random stirrup]

And I have full spymaster and prep

[keen belfry]

spicy

[glass mortar]

sub has the highest burst profile in the game but only outside lust iirc

last i checked sims anyway

[random stirrup]

their st can be good because they aren’t going to explode an add platform in 3gcds

[wintry solar]

Rose is peak buldak

[glass mortar]

kinda tracks considering haste is pretty bad for them

[cinder relic]

Hmmm

I feel like usually its not every week

[mighty pivot]

they likely tune quicker closer to a content release

[stiff vector]

Don’t sleep on the carbonara flavor, I usually eat the hot chicken in the black package

[keen belfry]

i just wouldnt say feral has as funny as a dmg profile than subs tho, so they can be tuned

[cold jewel]

@keen belfry

[mighty pivot]

but the last tuning was 3 weeks apart and we are approaching 3 weeks again

so who knows how they plan it

[keen belfry]

feral vs sub

[cinder relic]

I mean in the sense that ferals burst damage, and also their ST in general is fucking insane

[keen belfry]

sub would need a pretty big dmg profile change to be able to be tuned for both dmg amp and ST atm right?

[glass mortar]

no

[random stirrup]

it’s not a damage amp issue

[keen belfry]

like it doesnt seem like you could tune sub rn

[glass mortar]

idk how they struggle so much with sub and outlaw

[cinder relic]

I mean sub is tuned fine right now

[random stirrup]

it’s an add cleave issue just like law

[cinder relic]

Not every spec is meant to be the best at every single form of damasge profile

[keen belfry]

i mean, general sense, they are pretty bad at pure ST

[stiff vector]

BM DR with full prism stacks on dimmy dmg amp w/lust is also insane, granted I was just doing it on heroic on my Hunter alt but I was gigablasting the amp

[cinder relic]

To me, its okay that Sub is "bad pure ST" but to compensate it has huge burst CDs that allow it to blow up adds, and help a lot in damage amp phases in general

[random stirrup]

They literally cannot buff subs st without buffing their cleave and their cleave is already very very good

[cinder relic]

I don't think this is a "tuning issue"

this is just "what the spec excels at"

[glass mortar]

yea i wish every burst spec excelled like that

neuter all their st

why are burst specs also doing top st on fights with bad timers for them

thats my question

[long barn]

When outlaw buffs

[stiff vector]

Yeah…the only flaw in that logic is that this downside doesn’t exist for most of the other specs with very strong burst on the dmg amps, they’re also just plain good at ST

[cinder relic]

I mean neither feral, nor balance have any AOE

[quaint mauve]

ru talking about buldak

[cinder relic]

Its a huge weakness of the specs rn

[keen belfry]

i just dont think sub players should be cucked in pure ST cause they blow up adds

[cinder relic]

AT least "in raid build" for feral/balance

[quaint mauve]

carbonara is soo 🤤

[random stirrup]

Boomie is the actual spec abusing damage amps the best in the game rn

And their overall st is good

but gg cleave

[cinder relic]

Balance is also the wrost spec in the game with +1 target

[random stirrup]

(why they got buffed)

[cinder relic]

Like literal liability level

[keen belfry]

how do i speed up the thawing of my beef guys

[slate forge]

Eat it

[cinder relic]

what other specs even "abuse damage amps" rn lol

Its like what, MM, Balance/feral, sub and FDK?

I mean FDK is thanos so idk

[random stirrup]

BM unironically

[cinder relic]

I mean BM is also thanos

Is what it is

[stiff vector]

the logic of this spec does big burst and is good on dmg amps, so it should be terrible in pure ST w/o any dmg amps is just a cooked take

[slate forge]

We will be thanos in midnight trust

[random stirrup]

Arcane can do it on nexus if it’s pushed into execute by the time soul happens

But it is execute reliant

[cinder relic]

Targetcapped you are really good at reading what I say, and then not actually understand anything I'm saying

[stiff vector]

lol ok

[cinder relic]

Nowhere have I said "Big burst specs good on damage amps should be terrible on pure ST"

You can't find me saying that anywhere

What I'm saying specifically is that sub has a handful of strengths, and a handful of weaknesses

Subs strenghts is that it can blow up adds, while dealing good single target at the same time, in addition it can leverage its "weak ST" by using damage amps to help

[stiff vector]

Youre quite literally insinuating that its "ok" that sub is bad in pure ST w/o amps because it is very strong on dmg amps

like

???

[cinder relic]

No

READ WHAT IM SAYING
HOLY FUCK

READ

READ

READ

[proven ocean]

[cinder relic]

READ

READ

READ

READ

[random stirrup]

Ragebait successful

[cinder relic]

SUB HAS WEAK SINGLE TARGET BECAUSE IT OBLITERATES ADDS

[wintry solar]

[lime lake]

[cinder relic]

THATS WHY SUB HAS WEAK SINGLE TARGET

ITS NOT DAMAGE AMPS

READ

READ

READ

READ

[raven cedar]

[mighty pivot]

guy went zeross mode

[wintry solar]

I think he wants you to read

[haughty wigeon]

holy shit

[rich sparrow]

blizz pls buff outlaw youre tearing us apart

[haughty wigeon]

someone activated bfa guy

[cinder relic]

Open up the schools man holy fuck

[stiff vector]

yeah...and thats still terrible logic when this doesnt apply to multiple other specs in the game.

[cinder relic]

IT APPLIES TO MOST SPECS

[haughty wigeon]

it applies to most specs

theres obvi outliers

but like

[cinder relic]

MOST SPECS ARENT THE BEST AT EVERY SINGLE TARGET COUNT ON EVERY SINGLE BOSS ON EVERY SINGLE MOMENT IN THE FIGHT

FDK, MM, AND BM ARE OUTLIERS

[haughty wigeon]

odds are theytre gonna get gutted

[wintry solar]

this is going in the books

[cinder relic]

MOST SPECS DONT GET TO BE THE BEST AT ALL TIMES

[proven ocean]

How is that terribe logic

[cinder relic]

YES BM IS BROKEN

YES MM IS BROKEN

YES FDK IS BROKEN

MOST SPECS DONT GET TO BE THE BEST DAMAGE AMP, BEST AOE, BEST ST

[keen belfry]

im gonna make an egg sandwich since my beef isnt thawed

[wintry solar]

shoutout FDK

[haughty wigeon]

specs that got recently reworked btw

[keen belfry]

maybe 2

[wintry solar]

W rework

[random stirrup]

Boomie is legitimately just straight better than sub in pure st and at abusing damage amps. It is better at both. But boomie can’t do burst aoe, so it’s allowed to be good on patchwerk as well, sub can’t because it kills adds. Very good spec comparison and they have similar profiles

[ocean lodge]

I'd rather lose to a fdk than a two button moron cheerleading for a pet.

[haughty wigeon]

so ofcourse its gonna be broken

[proven ocean]

Dude i swear anyone who doesnt actively play pve at a high level is always cooked about every wow opinion @cinder relic

[mighty pivot]

this is after like what, 5 straight nerfs btw

[keen belfry]

fdk is 2 button

[proven ocean]

Dont even bother

[ocean lodge]

at least it's not pet autos doing the work

[cinder relic]

We are literally doing dimensius in group 2 with a balance druid and we wanted to sit him because he literally does 0 damage to the masses, his class LITERALLY cannot provide an ounce of help to this monster

[keen belfry]

am i cooked

[cinder relic]

will he blow up the boss in P3? Yes

[quaint mauve]

fdk is braindead but in melee

[cinder relic]

BUT ITS A DOWNSIDE OF THE SPEC

[quaint mauve]

the other 2 r braindead in ranged

[cinder relic]

Dude its so fucking insane

[wintry solar]

yeah idg the hate boner blizz had for DKs

[ocean lodge]

oh i know, the only thing stopping fdk from being the most braindead melee is the fact ret exists

[keen belfry]

zeross and guy together kinda lit

[haughty wigeon]

nah

fun fact

sai

fdk

[wintry solar]

and they did a total 180 recently

[haughty wigeon]

is more brain dead than ret rn

[red zinc]

we are all cooked its just how you deal with it when you realise you are cooked that matters

[ocean lodge]

Is better

[haughty wigeon]

but

[ocean lodge]

i don't think that's possible

[mighty pivot]

no I meant 5 nerfs post rework, so it was even more broken initially

[haughty wigeon]

the amount of issues people are overlooking with fdk cause it does "big damage" rn

is funny af

[wintry solar]

ret you can play your rotation wrong, you cant do that with fdk

[haughty wigeon]

ya you can

its funny7

[ocean lodge]

TF did they do, I thought they added abilities

[haughty wigeon]

you cant fail anythign in fdk

[wintry solar]

your breath uptime must be like 20%

if breathe

I love breath

[keen belfry]

who has the takes tier list

[wintry solar]

breath go brrr

[covert kestrel]

u have stink breath

[wintry solar]

I just flossed actually

[cinder relic]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[stiff vector]

its rare to get a successful guy ragebait

[ocean lodge]

Unholy should have breath, but it spews from behind your character

[red zinc]

REFER TO GRAPH

[wintry solar]

W pfp by popo

[ocean lodge]

do you see my vision

[cinder relic]

Yeah I was only pretending to be a moron

[red zinc]

👉

[cinder relic]

Classic

[indigo token]

where tf am I

[mighty pivot]

F tier list btw

[keen belfry]

@proven ocean am i cooked or no

[red zinc]

we need an unbiased opinion zac is a biased spectator

[wintry solar]

true

[stiff vector]

yep im but a simple moron whose terrible at the game, you got me

[keen belfry]

who could make a new tier list

[cinder relic]

[wintry solar]

well at least you admit it

[keen belfry]

i think i could make a fire tier list

[red zinc]

nobody

[keen belfry]

me

[haughty wigeon]

i cant wait for fdk to be gutted

[keen belfry]

its cause im so based

[red zinc]

no point in balancing all this shi rn

[ocean lodge]

I wonder how many people will actually get alpha next week

[red zinc]

entire picture going to look completely different with alpha

[wintry solar]

I thought I could but then it'd just be a list of who I like the most

[haughty wigeon]

and then everyone who "likes fdk" now are suddenly gona change opinions

[stiff vector]

its been the entire xpac...might need to wait for the next one lul

[haughty wigeon]

but granted

maybe not

cause

casuals love specs with 0 skill floor and ceiling

who are unkillable

and have all the utility in the planet

hence why ret was always popular

[ocean lodge]

I stopped playing demo lock because they basically removed the entire skill ceiling from it.

And it was already pretty low.

[covert kestrel]

go off king, lets see what you got

[covert kestrel]

WHERE DO I LAND

its not midnight

fuck

[haughty wigeon]

cant be mad about it, its good for the game for players to have more options beyond ret and bm

infact im pretty sure one of the rogue specs are gonna get the same treatment

[vivid vessel]

wait

[haughty wigeon]

probably outlaw

[vivid vessel]

how come

i forgot

rem

in this

thats crazy no

[wintry solar]

gotta be assa

[proven ocean]

No

[covert kestrel]

you said it was just who was chatting at the time

[vivid vessel]

ah ye true

[quaint mauve]

tier list hasn’t failed once

[red zinc]

can i be moved up

[haughty wigeon]

ya you were supposed to give me a tier of my own when i questioned it

[vivid vessel]

ah

[red zinc]

for being a silly lil guy

[vivid vessel]

no

[wintry solar]

can I be moved up one?

[vivid vessel]

no

[haughty wigeon]

but you forgot

[wintry solar]

im literally so not cooked

[quaint mauve]

there should be a tier above zac for me

[wintry solar]

im lightly singed

[haughty wigeon]

nah

theyre weirdly focused on outlaw

every rogue on reddit complains about outlaw

[proven ocean]

@bleak egret

[red zinc]

hml the rookie of the month of outlaw frfr

[haughty wigeon]

everytime they talk about fucking weakauras, they mention outlaw

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel cmon man im not that cooked

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/conor-mcgregor-fook-who-the-fook-is-that-guy-whos-that-who-is-that-gif-16635951

[vivid vessel]

nah you are

[haughty wigeon]

outlaw is gonna turn into new ret/fdk/bm just watch

[wintry solar]

that doesnt mean theyre giving it the BM treatment though

[keen belfry]

u mean it king?

[vivid vessel]

zeross

[covert kestrel]

this was in your peak brainrot assa phase

[proven ocean]

Ur more cooked than me sometimes even

[vivid vessel]

you rmemeber when you were calling me delusional on ptr

[quaint mauve]

thank you man means a lot

[wintry solar]

I will say

[vivid vessel]

when you were saying outlaw was op

[quaint mauve]

worked hard to get here

[haughty wigeon]

its gonna lose its .8 gcd

[vivid vessel]

and i was saying it was the worse its ever been

[haughty wigeon]

cause casuals cant handle it

[vivid vessel]

who is laughing now

[haughty wigeon]

i see it now

[proven ocean]

i mean

[wintry solar]

When Outlaw was introduced, it was a really simple spec so then again, maybe youre right

[vivid vessel]

?

[red zinc]

send him to the charlotte hornets

[haughty wigeon]

like how they couldnt handle old er

[vivid vessel]

stfu rem

[proven ocean]

zac

ptr was early kinda

[haughty wigeon]

you know its true zac

[mighty pivot]

remember when he linked details from the damage amp boss in ecodome?

[haughty wigeon]

one week from now

[proven ocean]

we didnt see like

[haughty wigeon]

outlaw will be

[vivid vessel]

haha ye i do

[haughty wigeon]

changed

[proven ocean]

outlaw vs ur team for example

[vivid vessel]

that guy bro

[proven ocean]

as a real comp

[quaint mauve]

lamello ball treatment

[haughty wigeon]

and i uniroincally wont be fighting you

[proven ocean]

yeye

[haughty wigeon]

cause its gonna change so much

and its gonna suck so much balls

[vivid vessel]

rem

your balls

stinks

[proven ocean]

LOOOOOOOOOOOL

[vivid vessel]

i wouldnt even suck your balls

[stiff vector]

[vivid vessel]

stinkers

[quaint mauve]

what r we even talking about now

[haughty wigeon]

i will be, on your side and fight this injustice

[covert kestrel]

show us how much balls it sucks

[proven ocean]

zac

ngl

ur the most cooked guy in ravenholdt

[vivid vessel]

ok buddy

[haughty wigeon]

[proven ocean]

chat

[red zinc]

once again

[proven ocean]

u agree

with me?

zac is cooked

type 1

[haughty wigeon]

this much

[proven ocean]

if u agree

[red zinc]

ALL of US are cooked

[stiff vector]

zac is the most based

[dawn talon]

you ever read the assa channel?

[quaint mauve]

yo never get these btw guys, they taste like actual piss

[proven ocean]

you just got flamed by guy i wont trust ur take

[wintry solar]

whos actually the most cooked guy in this channel. We gotta semi-collectively agree

[indigo token]

me

[covert kestrel]

zac do you have a holiday saved up for tues for midnight alpha release info depression just in case its really really bad

[wintry solar]

youre tame

[red zinc]

infusion?

[proven ocean]

nah they're another flavor of cookage

[indigo token]

i have legit nothing to offer in terms of feedback

[red zinc]

15% haste?

[haughty wigeon]

i thought it was me

[indigo token]

i just make exaggerated violent threats

[stiff vector]

zac gets flamed by guy too, dont trust him!

[indigo token]

and post gifs

[dawn talon]

they dont even talk about the game

[haughty wigeon]

cause i usually get zac and zeross to agree and flame me

[red zinc]

zac and guy have insane tension going

[haughty wigeon]

i think theyre gonna remove snd

[red zinc]

idk if thats hate that might be couple goals

[haughty wigeon]

cause

[indigo token]

do you think they fuck

[haughty wigeon]

no point for it cause every spec has it auto

[red zinc]

ok calm down

[haughty wigeon]

casuals dont use the tech for cdr

[proven ocean]

thing is we dont try to flame u

ur just fried and microwaved

and cooekd

all the time

all at once

@vivid vessel

u saw the movie

everything everywhere

all at once

[indigo token]

[proven ocean]

rem is cooked and microwaved and fried all at once

agree or?

[wintry solar]

I think damage should be back in builders

is that cooked?

[indigo token]

yes

[haughty wigeon]

no fuck gthat

[indigo token]

what the fuck is wrong with you

[haughty wigeon]

fuckthat

FUCK THAT

[red zinc]

stop being mean guys

its glorp o clock

[haughty wigeon]

popo im never mean to you

[wintry solar]

[haughty wigeon]

but fuck that mentaility

builders are builders

[severe drift]

I hope you do because you don't want ADR 100% uptime lmao, you gotta need damages

[haughty wigeon]

you get shit like ret when your builders are almost a strong as ytour spenders

[indigo token]

https://strawpoll.com/wAg3Q9OlWy8

[haughty wigeon]

your resources mean nothing

[wintry solar]

wow

delete imp bte

[wintry solar]

buff Opp ps dmg

[indigo token]

fym nuh

[proven ocean]

chat

n ocappy

no cappy

zac cooked

or

[wintry solar]

[proven ocean]

like

from scale of 10-10

how cooked is zac

i rate 10

[indigo token]

10

[proven ocean]

thoughts

?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel see

[red zinc]

I UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION GEYA'RAH

[dawn talon]

7-9 depending on the day

[indigo token]

SHUT THE FUCK UPPPPPPPPP

GOD
I need that old man dead

[covert kestrel]

[indigo token]

BUT PLEASE DO NOT JUMP TO CONCLUSIONS

:poroagony:

https://tenor.com/view/poro-poroagony-necroniks-gragas-sloppywalrus-gif-14002357396033739071

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[proven ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-cat-gif-19926065

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ai-hug-cat-jesus-hug-cat-ai-gif-3164886642376333242

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-with-tongue-cat-smiling-gif-11949735780193730026

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1379273688616013984.webp?size=96&animated=true

junk

[wintry solar]

if BPD was a channel

[daring oxide]

whats happening

[red zinc]

@daring oxide hey

[proven ocean]

Vai - outlaw rework 2nd october! hey

[wintry solar]

I turn my head for 5 seconds and everyone is happy again

[red zinc]

i just have that effect on people

[daring oxide]

hey

[severe drift]

@daring oxide hey

[red zinc]

r1 gif spam mood resetter

[daring oxide]

hey all

[wintry solar]

omg Vai hiiii

[daring oxide]

is everyone happy

and excited

for the 2nd of octo

ber

[wintry solar]

haiii hiii :3

[indigo token]

no

[daring oxide]

wtf

[wintry solar]

Vai I have a question

[indigo token]

what

[daring oxide]

yes

[wintry solar]

How do you feel about Outlaw getting the BM treatment in terms of difficulty

[daring oxide]

no

[indigo token]

id milkshake ion

[daring oxide]

erm i think we shouldn't get our rotation dumbed down to a one button black arrow spam rotation

but

i think the ease of positioning is something we could benefit from akin to bm hunter

i dunno how to explain that properly

[severe drift]

bring back 3m range again

[daring oxide]

like bm hunter is a one button rotation, has no casts to worry about, no mobility issues, 40 yard range, etc

[bright crane]

Bro low key

[wintry solar]

you want a middle ground between how it is now and bm?

[bright crane]

Been having a great time playing bm

I bound the 3 buttons I use to my mouse

[daring oxide]

outlaw doesn't need a one button rotation, it should have skill expression, but it'd be nice to have a bit more range

[severe drift]

how ? it's boring afff

[bright crane]

I can pick my nose and top meters

[daring oxide]

like something that reduces downtime penalty

[bright crane]

At the same time

[daring oxide]

if outlaw continues to be a flat high cdr spec

bring back acro for outlaw

[severe drift]

just like S1 DF with 3m range buff, that was cool

[mighty pivot]

they should add the TWO button rotation for outlaw

[bright crane]

Because unnecessary complexity =! Fun

[daring oxide]

i was playing BM today, its 715 ilvl, did 11.8mil dps overall in ara-kara

[bright crane]

And not sitting in queue for 1h = fun

[daring oxide]

and i pretty much pressed Black arrow 80% of the time

other 20% was a cominbation of KC and Barbed

its the most dumbest thing ive ever played

and it felt fun

because numbers was big

its absurd

[severe drift]

there should be a middle ground between unnecessary complexity and 1 button rota. Depth is cool

[bright crane]

As you get higher in keys, the amount of effort required to be average at best isn’t fun

[daring oxide]

imo beast cleave/bleak powder is very similar to blade flurry, but its uncapped, and has barely no restrictions

like

[bright crane]

I don’t disagree. But BM is 3 🙂

[daring oxide]

you have a playground of 40 yards radius around you to pick a target and proc the aoe

[copper radish]

Yup. And it dumps damage. 1. 2. 3. Pushing 20,30 mil on packs 😂

[daring oxide]

i peaked at like 55mil something dps during the first pull with lust

[copper radish]

And that’s with no multi pack leader build. Dark ranger goes even higher

[daring oxide]

and thats on an alt bm hunter

with suboptimal DR stats

no netherprism

[copper radish]

I can’t wait to get prism. BM gonna truck with it

[severe drift]

omg, OG bm player must be complaining from such complexity

[copper radish]

Gonna be past 710 this weekend on the hunt then it’s BLASTING time

[heavy mason]

So, maybe this has been asked a billion times, but is there such a thing as too much vers?

[bright crane]

Again, complexity=! Fun

[daring oxide]

the problem is they gave an idle tycoon spec so much power for so little gameplay effort

but at the same time

[haughty wigeon]

i mean

[daring oxide]

BM is the most played spec

[haughty wigeon]

there has to be a skill ceilng

[daring oxide]

so giving more subscribers absolute power

[haughty wigeon]

for health of the spec

[daring oxide]

makes sense

financially

[haughty wigeon]

or they stay deadge forever

people rerolling to bm now cause it does big damage

what happens when it doesnt do big damage anymore?

[copper radish]

The only skill ceiling with BM is how fast you can press buttons. And timing double stampede on pack leader. That’s it

[haughty wigeon]

people leave and spec is dead again

gg

[daring oxide]

nah, skill ceiling is the rng casino effect of black arrow in COTW windows

your luck becomes the skill ceiling

[haughty wigeon]

the sad thing is

[copper radish]

Good thing playing pack leader is more fun and it’s less buttons and can do just as much most of the time

[daring oxide]

but honestly BM is such a sick spec for mythic prog

[haughty wigeon]

due to its simplicity, specs like bm will always be popular even if it does 0 damage

[daring oxide]

i wish i could play it

[copper radish]

I hate playing black arrow/multi

[daring oxide]

you dont need a single brain cell to play it

so you can devote your full two brain cells to purely boss mechanics

[haughty wigeon]

so you have people who like the spec but cant do more than lfr larry cause skill ceiling is non existent, being fucked over

[daring oxide]

and not zone out or get lost ever

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel is this monksea!!!!!

[copper radish]

When I do pack leader no multi for a 10 on bosses I’m like 400 million damage over the next guy. It looks so broken

[haughty wigeon]

i liked divine hammer for ret

cause like it was the bare minimum skill cielng

but now its gone

cause the bulk of ret players couldnt press spenders

[daring oxide]

i enjoy PL no multi too

but its painful with pug tanks

[rare rapids]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[proven ocean]

@tough salmon !!!

[daring oxide]

they move a lot out of stampede

[stiff vector]

yea I mean it does infinite sustained aoe on high target counts

[vivid vessel]

yuh

[stiff vector]

it is a bit annoying to play tho with making sure stampedes hit everything, and it has to ramp a bit

[copper radish]

I move a lot and positions so everything’s in a line before sending the empowered kill command

Try to stand in packs too rather than be 40 yards off lol

[red zinc]

Nobody playing pack leader anymore anyway

[daring oxide]

yeah

[copper radish]

I am fk dark ranger lol

[stiff vector]

nah PL is definitely still played

[daring oxide]

i moved to Dark Ranger in m+ too

its so much better than pack leader

dont need to worry about stampedes

stairs

moving tanks

etc

[copper radish]

It’s a good amount more dmg but packs just enjoyable

[daring oxide]

DR just nuke your primary target and kill everything around it

just spam black arrow gg

[copper radish]

I do more ST boss damage with pack no multi than I do with multi DR build in keys

[proven ocean]

missed u babe

[stiff vector]

you definitely still play PL in arakara at like 18+ jsut because youre constantly chaining packs and thats what PL wants. Also last boss of ara is kind of troll for DR boss dmg because your withering fire will shoot into the fucking little shitter mob sand you lose a lot of boss dam

[old gull]

Outlaw is now BM hunter chat

[stiff vector]

and you can funnel off shit on basically all of the bosses as PL, so you can sitll do very good boss dmg as PL in that key

[copper radish]

I’m still an outlaw at heart 😭

[stiff vector]

but DR pure ST is like by far the best in the game in keys, it can do some crazy boss dmg

[ocean lodge]

dr's a cool tree at least.

[copper radish]

I couldn’t figure out what hero talent lets black arrow cast beast cleave

It’s like passive off a death blow but what gives DR that

[near rock]

lmao I saw he killed it, instantly went to see the averages and was about to post it

[stiff vector]

umbral reach

but you only gain beast cleave from BA cleaving if youre talented into it

[quaint mauve]

it’s either another class chat, or dooming chat

[copper radish]

Yeah I don’t like that lol. Gotta talent into multi and all that to press it twice a whole key lol

[quaint mauve]

no in between

[old gull]

(im playing dev evoker rn and having fun with simplicity)

[lime lake]

tbf fuck pressing multi anyway

[stiff vector]

hey its better than actual BM chat..I swear that channel is 95% civilian BM hunters asking about what stats are good and if theyre pressing black arrow too much, or some other kind of insanely simple question that I knew after playing the class for 2 days

[quaint mauve]

(im playing arcane mage)

[lethal oak]

Im on DK

[quaint mauve]

HAHAH

[copper radish]

Yeah ima be pack no multi for keys and raid all day. Same build in both lmao

[quaint mauve]

noticed the same from mage chat tbf

[bright crane]

Wait so is the move PL or DR for m+

[quaint mauve]

you see it here too aswell tho

all class discords are the same

[bright crane]

I’ll play whatever is best

[quaint mauve]

it’s less prevalent here bc no one is coming to learn this spec

[copper radish]

Funny asf that raid st pack leader and key pack leader has 1 talent change for barbed into dire cleave lol

[worldly sinew]

I'm stubborn and refuse to swap to another class as main. Outlaw forever.
I'll keep grueling on.

[quaint mauve]

im almost same io as my rogue in one week of arcane mage

[worldly sinew]

I mean I do have alts that are almost there, but those are purely like.. "Im done with vault and dont wanna sit in Q for hours for io on Rogue"

[stiff vector]

I was the same io as my rogue in literally like 2 days of some keys after getting geared enough to do real keys

now im like 70? points higher than my rogue I think, just one key off resil 17s

[worldly sinew]

I'll just sit here n fish for like 1-2 hours while I queue up with Rogue. Might get 1 key if I'm lucky 😂

[quaint mauve]

it’s just sad tbf

bc i’d prefer to only do rogue keys

[lethal oak]

I know if I log on my rogue I have to run my own key

[worldly sinew]

Same, my brian goes brrr when playing Outlaw, regardless of our current situation. Most of the time I'm able to par for overall with the general public in 12/13s So I'm doing okay.

[slate forge]

@keen belfry that beef thaw yet buddy?

[stiff vector]

I mean Id prefer to play my rogue but..I like to pug some keys too and trying to get inv to 17s/18s is just too much of a waste of time, and youre basically forced into playing only phys comp which only narrows the amount of keys out there even more

[quaint mauve]

and tbf

r phys comps inviting you over feral?

[keen belfry]

io just made egg sandwiches

[quaint mauve]

im seeing only feral hunter warrior

[copper radish]

I can’t get an invite to a 10 on my outlaw and he’s 2650 at 713 ilvl. I signup for one 10 on my 706 BM and get invited and he’s only 1900

[stiff vector]

hell no you arent getting inv over a hunter in phys comp 99% of the time

[copper radish]

Sad days

[quaint mauve]

yeah so it’s literally a waste of time

i get invites on mage with 0 hesitation

[copper radish]

Rather play BM wait 1 min in LFG rather than 10000 signups over 25 min for 1 invite

[quaint mauve]

started learning the spec 30 hours ago btw

like

[slate forge]

I’d rather Smurf 14-16s on outlaw then play bm fk that

[worldly sinew]

You learned hunter? I couldn't tell you what mine does. He's my meme alt named Onespam, OBR only.. Idek what the skills do 😂

[quaint mauve]

mage

[stiff vector]

I basically just log on my rogue rn to see if theres a few keys I can get inv to, or if im pushing with some friends and I alrdy have that key timed on my hunter

[quaint mauve]

hunter too boring

idk how target does it

[worldly sinew]

Full Pepega. No gems, no money, No enchants. Onespam only. kek

[stiff vector]

meh its only been a week and ive basically never played hunter before, so its still novel enough that its not super boring yet

[copper radish]

I’m into week 2 of Hunter for keys / raids for the first time too lol

[slate forge]

Lining up those perfect disengages

[quaint mauve]

i played mm in season 2 for a bit

[stiff vector]

im still adjusting to being ranged in keys and learning/getting better on the spec in high keys so its not completely boring yet

[quaint mauve]

i don’t like pet classes

at all

[copper radish]

Love me some giants pets that are bigger than my dwarf lol

[slate forge]

Don’t you want to be pretty close to melee so most of your stampedes hit?

[stiff vector]

its also kind of fun doing 8m dps to big momma, and that was even with me holding CDs when the boss was like 10%

[lime lake]

i liked when dire beast was bugged and would summon raid boss sized pets

[copper radish]

Yeah. I stand pretty close for the stampede to angle it better

[slate forge]

That mechanic almost as bad as Ks ngl

[frail veldt]

not even close

[stiff vector]

im so down bad for gear tho, im only like 713.5 and most hunters around my hunters io are like 716+ minimum with myth prism/araz/antenna

[frail veldt]

it doesnt kill you

it just loses some damage

nothing even comes close an an ability wiht a 20s cd that tries to kill you

theres no ability I can even think of that comes even remotely close to how bad old KS was

[slate forge]

I meant new Ks and fk I’d rather die and do dmg then be useless 100% of the time

[drowsy ridge]

Death from Above?

[frail veldt]

dfa still better than KS

[cold jewel]

rune of power bad, not KS levels bad, but up there

[frail veldt]

rune of power sucked for suuuure

but still

you coul jdust walk out

[slate forge]

New Ks killed OL

[frail veldt]

no

it didnt lol

[cold jewel]

only thing i can think of that i didnt like playing around as much as KS

[frail veldt]

poor tuning killed KS

and arguably

precise cuts did

[stiff vector]

I have actually been killed by new KS before srs

[frail veldt]

cuz they buffed that last season

before they fixed the BF bug

then the BF bug was fixed

and PC was still super strong

[slate forge]

Old Ks we wouldn’t be bad rn but dead a lot

[frail veldt]

then we had multiple cleave fights in raid

and outlaw was too op

so they nerfed it to shit

[stiff vector]

the random stupid fucking slow they slapped on new KS for some reaosn actulaly made me die in priory once lol

[frail veldt]

cuz of PC

now we suck in all other content

[frail veldt]

we would be just as bad

even if new KS only hit main target

we'd still suck rn

we're way more behind than just missing some prio from KS

[slate forge]

New Ks only his main target and was as fast as old Ks would be a significant buff

[frail veldt]

that wouldnt even remotely close the gap

[slate forge]

The speed is the big killer

[frail veldt]

nah

the speed is pretty irrelevant

[stiff vector]

the spec has been blatantly very undertuned since PTR, I just dont get what theyre waiting for, unless they are just genuinely clueless af

[slate forge]

That shit is alooot of dmg

[frail veldt]

even with its current speed

the new KS

is higher dpet

[drowsy ridge]

I remember DFA from Legion, where I ended up through the ground more often then not. OLD KS, when you could return to where you started the ability, wasn't too bad

[frail veldt]

than old KS

cuz they buffed it so much

[cinder relic]

DFa didn't "send you through the ground more often than not" lol

[frail veldt]

yeah thats def inaccurate haha

[worldly sinew]

problem with OL tbh, is they spagetti coded BF so it does this shit, and they don't know how to undo without touching the sauce.

[cinder relic]

it could happen but it was far froma regular occurrence

[cinder relic]

what

[frail veldt]

details is not why outlaw has problems what

thats so so so irrelevant

and also

has it ever not been this way?

p sure bladeflurry has always been like this

[worldly sinew]

BF mimicing 45% of damage. as 'cleave'

[frail veldt]

wdym

thats how its always worked...

am I misremembering?

[red zinc]

i dont even think he means details

[cinder relic]

BF used to be 60% lol

[worldly sinew]

I believe it hit targets (precap) for 45% OF target damage. Not mimicing.

[frail veldt]

so you dont like that BF is nerfed

[cinder relic]

What

[frail veldt]

rofl

sorry i have no idea hwat youre saying

I dont think you know how bladeflurry works

[red zinc]

incoherent

[worldly sinew]

but they spagetti'd it to MIMIC 45% to targets instead now. and then put a cap on it.

[frail veldt]

wtf are you talking about

[worldly sinew]

Now they dunno how to undo it all without fuckingup it all.

[cinder relic]

What are u talking about

[frail veldt]

brother you need to go outside

or open a window

[bright crane]

Alright I see banshers playing DR so it’s time to swap

[frail veldt]

I think theres low oxygen in your room rn

[red zinc]

co poisoning monka

[worldly sinew]

? What do you mean which part doesn't make sense.

[frail veldt]

get a carbon monoxide detector

[frail veldt]

literally all of it

nothing you have said makes any amount of sense

[worldly sinew]

MIMICs damage to 7 targets.

[stiff vector]

crazy to think they actually nerfed bf+nimble flurry on PTR, on top of the indirect aoe nerf Trickster got from KS becoming a 3 min cd

[cinder relic]

BF has always been x% of your st damage cleaved to nearby targets

[stiff vector]

actually clueless tuning

[frail veldt]

when do you think this changed?

[worldly sinew]

Before it did % of targets damage as cleave to uncapped.

now it duplcates the damage to 7 targets.

[frail veldt]

all they did was add a target cap

[cinder relic]

WHat the fuck is mimic

[frail veldt]

there is no spaghetti code

at all

[worldly sinew]

THE SAME damage.

Mimic

[frail veldt]

its always done that...

brother

[red zinc]

weaponized delusion

[cinder relic]

That is how BF hs always worked

BF has always been x% of single target damage cleaved to nearby targets

[worldly sinew]

No, it use to be a % of the damage doen TO target is cleaved to uncapped

[frail veldt]

this is CLASSIC WOW

[worldly sinew]

Yes, read it

[frail veldt]

it literally did the same thing

just 100%

instead of 45%

[cinder relic]

What the fuck does this have to do with mimic

r u just complaining about the target cap?

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/the-ringer-when-the-fuck-did-we-get-ice-cream-gif-5417477

[red zinc]

all that just for topic #1 posting?

[frail veldt]

love that you can see knoxville cracking up

[red zinc]

[stiff vector]

I like ice cream

[worldly sinew]

Let me simplify it. Before it did 100 damage, and cleaved 45% of that damage to all targets around. (45 damage) it was simple.

[frail veldt]

he couldnt hold it together

[stiff vector]

[covert kestrel]

the best part

[frail veldt]

thats still how it works...

[cinder relic]

That is how it works right now

But instead of all, its capped

[worldly sinew]

Nooope

[frail veldt]

karver you are out of your element

[cinder relic]

Its the same spell

[worldly sinew]

Its SINGLE target damage is cleaved as 45% to 7 targets.

[frail veldt]

also it didnt do that before actually

it did 45% damage

to each unit in the radius

[worldly sinew]

Mhmmm

[frail veldt]

nope

you are wrong im sorry

[frail veldt]

^

[cinder relic]

This is the same thing

1 is capped, 1 is uncapped

[worldly sinew]

'normal damage'

'single target'

are not the same thing

[cinder relic]

What the fuck are u talking about

[worldly sinew]

Thats what I mean by spagetti

[cinder relic]

What is normal damage

[frail veldt]

hes lost

go read the spell data karver

[cinder relic]

Both have "normal damage"

[worldly sinew]

Old Flurry says "NORMAL DAMAGE" (all damage as physical)

[haughty wigeon]

uncap bf

[stiff vector]

bro is getting griefed by blizzard tooltips

[worldly sinew]

New Flurry says Single Target Damage (only)

[quaint mauve]

they both do

[bright crane]

Dawg

[cinder relic]

They both do?

[bright crane]

l o l

[haughty wigeon]

they both say normal damage

[frail veldt]

current bladeflurry

[quaint mauve]

normal as in unaffected by dmg buffs

[lime lake]

[cinder relic]

This is current live blade flurry

"normal damage"

[quaint mauve]

come on man

😭

[tired rune]

BINGO

[cinder relic]

Outlaw final boss, reading a small paragraph

[quaint mauve]

wait

4

why did i think we were capped at 7

wtf

[cinder relic]

Theres a talent

[quaint mauve]

ah

[cinder relic]

This is baseline

[quaint mauve]

ok

[frail veldt]

also were technically 8 target capped

cuz you hit the main target

+7 others

[cinder relic]

2nd phase final boss, doing simple math

[lime lake]

maf

[covert kestrel]

outlaw resident nephew strikes again

[stiff vector]

yup, crazy to think we have to actually talent into 8t hardcap

[covert kestrel]

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

[frail veldt]

well its only a problem because the damage is mimicing

[tired rune]

while my hunter is breaking the dungeon

[frail veldt]

oh no he doesnt know im memeing lol

[bright crane]

How did Ryu get back in here

[worldly sinew]

Yeah poor word choice I get it.

[frail veldt]

ryu alt account?

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/kek-kekw-gif-19460731

[cinder relic]

Its not poor word choice

Its just not understanding how it works

[worldly sinew]

It is, understanding perfectly how it works?

[tired rune]

the fact that anyone is still capped while the majority of specs aren't... my brain doesn't even know how to deal with it

[frail veldt]

they could uncap bladeflurry

[cinder relic]

It isn't

[worldly sinew]

Its copy-pasta'd 45% of the damage to 7 targets.

[cinder relic]

You are pointing to a random reason why Outlaw sucks

[floral compass]

is Flood timer just hella tight or am I coping

[worldly sinew]

No no, One of many

[frail veldt]

no its 45% damage to each of the 7 targets

[cinder relic]

It has nothing to do with word choice

You just dont get it

Which is fine but

[worldly sinew]

You're literally saying.. the same thign I'm saying but saying .. I'm wrong?

[frail veldt]

so hows that different from before?

[cinder relic]

[frail veldt]

Are you just saying you dont like that its capped

you want 45% to all targets?

[covert kestrel]

i miss ryu

[tired rune]

no spec should be capped

[worldly sinew]

I was explaining how Old bf vs New bf are coded entirely different and blizzard doesnt know to unfuck their fuckup. Thats all I was stating out the gate.

[frail veldt]

all specs should be "soft" capped

[worldly sinew]

I was just trying to explain how old vs new worked.

[frail veldt]

oh cool can you show the code?

[tired rune]

its either all or none

[keen belfry]

guys WHAT IS KARVER SAYING

[cinder relic]

How is it coded differently

[keen belfry]

i just read lal this

[cinder relic]

What is coded differently

[keen belfry]

WHAT IS HE SAYINGGG

[frail veldt]

or could you share a code snippet

of how you think old worked

vs new

like a little function call

of how it would calculate damage

[tired rune]

we're cooked in here

its done

[worldly sinew]

Ones math is % of all, it was generic. Now it specified to select damage like a lot of new spells.

[cinder relic]

What

Blade flurry has always been "Your st abilities cleave"

It's not "slect damage"

[quaint mauve]

[worldly sinew]

Yes, It was all daamge cleaved

[frail veldt]

all damage is cleaved

[wicked obsidian]

proberly with mimicing is meant the logs.. bladeflurry additional strikes will be shown as "bladeflurry" damage.. not like with whirlwind where the spell it self strikes the additional targets

[worldly sinew]

Now its Single Target damage.

[frail veldt]

still

[cinder relic]

No

[frail veldt]

we just gained some aoe abilities

[quaint mauve]

how r we still on this

[frail veldt]

so they now specify in the tooltip

that stuff like blade rush doesnt trigger bladeflurry

@worldly sinew what abilities dont trigger bladeflurry

pop quiz

[tired rune]

its either this or sit in dungeon finder

[worldly sinew]

Right, because it use to generically cleave all abilities

[frail veldt]

what abilities doesnt it cleave

currently

that it used to cleave

[keen belfry]

can someone please tell me what karver is saying

[frail veldt]

before

pls

answer this question

[keen belfry]

i just read this whol convo

[glacial shore]

Guys sorry if answered. Reading wowhead guide it says "coup de grace if at 5 combi points or more..." But doesn't crack shot auto consume coup de grace?

[tired rune]

ohno

[covert kestrel]

stop fighting over stupid stuff everything we know and love is getting upturned on tuesday

[keen belfry]

what is karver saying

[frail veldt]

were still trying to figure this out

[quaint mauve]

outlaw is weak now bc uhhh new bf is coded differently(?)

[cinder relic]

It doesn't

[worldly sinew]

One of many* reasons

[frail veldt]

Hes saying before it cleaved ALL abilities and now it only cleaves ST abilities and somehow thats the problem with outlaw

[quaint mauve]

😭

[frail veldt]

answer the question

what doesnt it cleave

now

that it used to cleave

[keen belfry]

whats an ability that we lost in its cleave?

[ocean lodge]

outlaw is weak because the tuning guys are clowns, next question

[frail veldt]

idk thats what im asking

[glacial shore]

Thanks

[wicked obsidian]

KS?

[frail veldt]

I dont think he has an answer

[frail veldt]

it cleaves ks...

[quaint mauve]

ST

[keen belfry]

what aoe abilities did we have besides BF

[frail veldt]

blade rush

thats our only aoe ability

[ocean lodge]

greed

if you wanted to be difficult

[worldly sinew]

I mean, theres an assortment we've gained n lost it did cleave.

[quaint mauve]

is blade rush uncapped

[frail veldt]

name one

[cinder relic]

ANSWER

NAME 1

AN ASSORTMENT ISNT 1

[ocean lodge]

just to be difficult - greed

🙂

[frail veldt]

what ability do we have right now

that doesnt cleave BF

that is the "problem with outlaw"

please

im waiting

simple question

theres an assortment

just pick one

super easy

go for it

[cinder relic]

W rage bait

[tired rune]

FEINT!??

[slate forge]

Gouge (idk but it’s possible)

[frail veldt]

yeah true it doesnt cleave evasion either

[wicked obsidian]

really KS is also cleaved by bf? cool thought this was only the case with the old one, ok my bad

[frail veldt]

yes

[ocean lodge]

Can we talk about how shitty the new feint animation is

[keen belfry]

someone needs to update tier list and add karver

[frail veldt]

KS is a single target ability

[quaint mauve]

how much is rogue t3

[cinder relic]

Its the same feint animation for years wdym

[ocean lodge]

I know but it's shit.

[quaint mauve]

you think my m* boosting endeavors will get me there

[ocean lodge]

Why is it a twirl

[slate forge]

It targets a lot of things and uncapped amount of things just one at a time

[ocean lodge]

That's not a feint

[frail veldt]

wat?

KS is a single target ability

it hits 1 unit at a time

but it randomly picks that unit

from an area in front of you

[quaint mauve]

a single target at a time

[worldly sinew]

It wasnt meant as a pissing contest. I was making a statment about old bf vs new bf, They all drew some conclusion that It was my "all encompassing reason for OL being bad" 😐

[quaint mauve]

[tired rune]

had it for a while now not sure brother

[frail veldt]

you made a false statement and we called you out

[cinder relic]

Notice how you wont answer the question

[worldly sinew]

The statement isnt false.

[frail veldt]

prove it

then

what ability isnt cleaved

im waiting

were all waiting

[keen belfry]

you win the pissing your pants contest, hell you might even win the pooping your pants contest too!

[quaint mauve]

heh… mailbox is open lmk

[frail veldt]

LOL

[slate forge]

Ks can target multiple targets it just does it one at a time randomly cause fun

[covert kestrel]

if pissing your pants is cool, call me miles davis!

[quaint mauve]

i think my last remaining neurons have stopped firing

[long needle]

bf this and bf that, what happened to the talent that let us add 3 yard attack range?

[quaint mauve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187390524802486344/1419538058520428595/image_1.gif

well guys on to more pressing matters

i aced midterm 1

[keen belfry]

karver talkin about ST abiltiies cleaving for outlaw but neglects his girlfriend, boy you worried about the wrong BF!

[wicked obsidian]

the same like target cap, blizzard thought no melee class other than pala should have extended range

[quaint mauve]

onto midterm 2 and 3

[slate forge]

Swords don’t have 3 yrd morg range then daggers and I can’t shoot a target more than 8 yards away my character sucks

[long needle]

I miss dragonflight

[frail veldt]

well in their defense our gun abilities do have more rnage

[slate forge]

Ks is gun Ks range 8

[worldly sinew]

There doesn't look like any spells in our current list don't get cleaved outside of Blade Rush and Flurry itself bc it has its own effect, and obviously any extra effects don't get cleaved outside of poisons.
So theres your answer.

[frail veldt]

g fuckin g

[covert kestrel]

how are you on midterms already its just the end of september!!!

oh cali schools start dumb early

[quaint mauve]

yeah

[frail veldt]

normal early

cuz we dont have snow

[quaint mauve]

that and i have 3 classes with 2 midterms instead of one

[frail veldt]

wat

thats not a midterm

thats a triterm

lol

[quaint mauve]

yeah it’s dumb imo but

more leeway for grades ig

can’t complain

[keen belfry]

so what was your whole point of this poop throwing charade you just made us witness

[frail veldt]

wang out for blood

[covert kestrel]

i have multiple classes with two midterms, its whack. but also means less around midterm time so more spread out

[keen belfry]

i just cant believe what i just read

[frail veldt]

yeah thats nice

[slate forge]

Triterm would mean 3 terms not 1/3 of a term it would be tierceterm

[frail veldt]

more tests less homework I liked that more

[frail veldt]

tertterm

[worldly sinew]

Well, mostly to be corrected if I was wrong. but apparently ragebait the smarter people into showing if their toxicity levels > their IQ? I mean jesus.

[keen belfry]

i have really high IQ it just so happens my toxicity is even hjigher

[frail veldt]

we dont tolerate people unwilling to admit that theyre wrong

[worldly sinew]

To be corrected is one thing, but I didn't attack anyone.. to be attacked is wild.

[frail veldt]

you can just say youre wrong and it all ends

but false information doesnt go over well here

[covert kestrel]

its not that dramatic bro

[frail veldt]

we tend to be pretty matter of fact here

[slate forge]

This is like that guy we bullied for saying we have good prio

[keen belfry]

you wanted to die on your hill of poop and feces and shit, when you shouldve just slid down it

[frail veldt]

oh no I wanst there for that

that must have been wild

[tired rune]

how dare you

[worldly sinew]

I was posting screenshots and looking at tooltips and such. So my apologies if I wanted to matter of fact as well.

[covert kestrel]

SEMANTICS? NOT ON MEWOS WATCH

[keen belfry]

we call them sementics here

[frail veldt]

call me captain seman

[keen belfry]

we accept you apologizing, but just know you are now the cooked guy

[slate forge]

He linked his log with paladin dmg in priory but then you look at the mini boss dmg he was gapped hard

[keen belfry]

i must now disagree with whatever it is Karver says

until a new karver comes around