outlaw

[quaint mauve]

im getting fucked by the kraken

[dawn tundra]

I just want to do good enough to get AOTC, but my DPS sucks major shit and my brain keeps telling me "NOOOO! GET IT LIKE HOW YOU DID PALACE AND LOU!" instead of just buying a carry at this rate.

[gaunt phoenix]

I used to get very mad at games when I was younger, I guess it was something dear to me in a world where I lacked control

[wintry solar]

Batten down the hatches and tack starboard bitch, these cannons won't fire themselves.

[quaint mauve]

i dont have cannons, im a raft made outve pool noodles

[gaunt phoenix]

I don't know. I guess you just decide to pick your battles and decide what's really worth it

[wintry solar]

Well, a captain goes down with his ship.

[dawn tundra]

I legit just want to get this over with, but brain go "NO!" . I just want AOTC so I can go back to RP on Moon Guard.

[wintry solar]

We had cannons

It was pretty cool

[smoky lotus]

Try hekili, takes the mental load off. Even if just to "get back" to your rotation when you're lost.

[wintry solar]

Doesn't the rep give you dmg boosts in raid too?

[pearl topaz]

make sure you go HO

I dont think the motivation and effort required to learn this class is worth it just for one boss, get AOTC on ass/sub then learn outlaw in a less stressful way

[dawn tundra]

See, that's just it. I do NUTTY on Delves and Timewalking. But raiding? Nah. I'll look into Hekili, though. That sounds promising.

[muted crest]

3 weeks in a row no upgrade in vault 💩💩

[mighty pivot]

bruh 02:30 is not morning

[wintry solar]

Morning is whenever you wake up

It's a mindset

Brb wordle

https://tenor.com/view/wordle-in-4-gif-16028584323468828115

Morning people should be jailed fr

[red zinc]

wordle in 3 hoe

[wintry solar]

FUCK YOU I AHTE YOU

RAHHHH

I bet you got wordle in 6

[red zinc]

[mighty pivot]

I bet popo plays wordle on easy mode

[wintry solar]

Wrong

I play hard mode

[mighty pivot]

and googles the answer if he is about to lose

[wintry solar]

Nuh uh

[mighty pivot]

I got it in 3 that was ez af

[wintry solar]

When your vocabulary is as extensive as mine, it becomes more complicated

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

zac good vault?

[lucid sandal]

Zac gets gearfed vault means nothing to him

[mighty pivot]

at least you added beet back in your vocabulary this week

[wintry solar]

It never left

Excluded from my diet yes

Reintroduced? Absolutely not.

Yucky

[mighty pivot]

it's ok billy nobody can force you to eat veggies as an adult

[wintry solar]

Erm

Hater much?

[mighty pivot]

you should know by now

[vivid vessel]

No

But idk if I can complain

Since I'm kinda full geared

Would be crazy to roll vaults on the only 2 items I need

[mighty pivot]

bad rolls

[wintry solar]

You don't shower and you're wrong about everything and you stink and yo mama

[mighty pivot]

big words from someone who sleeps with socks on

I got prism with just 1 raid slot first week that I cannot complain

[vivid vessel]

Please don't be toxic outlaw family! We are here to spread love and positivity!

[cinder relic]

Truth atom bomb

[wintry solar]

Yeah Ninja

[wintry solar]

Are you excited about alpha?

Housing saves wow

100%

[bright crane]

first run of the event

let us go

[wintry solar]

Brewfest already?

[bright crane]

yeah

[red zinc]

All we really need from housing is housing chat channel so I can shittalk everyone without tabbing out

[wintry solar]

Any new stuff?

[bright crane]

i think 1 mount 1 pet 1 toy?

[wintry solar]

That's alright. It's short so that's fine.

A housing channel would be great

[dapper fjord]

any of yall that use muropaketti's rtb weak aura. do you all find it works fine without changing any of the ruleset options?

ive been using it for at least a year now but when ive been updating the weakaura it apparently hadnt been updating any of the rulesets 🙁

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt its done

finally

[frail veldt]

great job gamer

[quaint mauve]

dude

it took too long

to get this one key done

[dapper fjord]

also is there anything we should adjust with the spell queue time window?

[coral onyx]

pog

[blazing pulsar]

Reading the Sleight of Hand thing in the pinned note made my brain go to bed. It's like I need a Ph.D in rogue to get into outlaw

[torpid fiber]

the sleight thing is kinda chill in concept tbh

[quaint mauve]

I LOVE PLAYING ALTS

[torpid fiber]

It's just "roll at 2 buffs always" afaik

[mighty pivot]

110% even

oh right I have to do nightfall jail again this week to get yet another cloak

[torpid fiber]

The thing with outlaw is that you need a diploma in outlaw to be able to quickly break down info in pins sometimes

[blazing pulsar]

I feel like they could have said that in a simpler fashion then lmao

[torpid fiber]

Once you learn all the terms and the rotation clicks you can just go "oh this is just one rule change and it's simple and it has X upside and Y downside"

Yeah I do think that having it be in the 4th paragraph is awkward

[earnest sphinx]

Is the cudgel a must have for outlaw gaming

Dat bih dont exist

[quaint mauve]

no

[tender wedge]

It’s probably slightly better than a 720 oh in larger packs in keys but you need to swap for bosses

Definitely not worth worrying about

[earnest sphinx]

Mastering this spec requires a phd

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/746550921412083762/1407865351441748018/KillingSpreeWorkshop.gif

[solid kelp]

Explain please

[quaint mauve]

mage has a 24 second interrupt both warrior and pala have a 12 second one, warrior also has an aoe shout that interrupts

people were dying to casts

bc people weren’t using their abilities

[solid kelp]

I wish I had these numbers in my grp to be honest

[quaint mauve]

i don’t know who your playing with, but i’d never wish for a tank with 10 interrupts

[solid kelp]

Ive pugged +10 priory that went like this a few days ago

every person havin 10+ interrupts is a godsent

[quaint mauve]

bro your shaman has the kicks of every dps combined in my group 😭

[vivid vessel]

Doesn't mage have a short interrupt

[quaint mauve]

24s

but yeah

[vivid vessel]

20s

They have a talent that reduce the cd by 4

When they kick something

[mighty pivot]

warr and pala ones are 15s not 12s

[unreal hinge]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/nHZEw2GLLtn77EH97x6J9i

Could someone please help me chose?

[cinder haven]

Prism fun, neck boring

But uh

Wdym 4% haste

[mighty pivot]

sub

[cinder haven]

Are you planning on swapping to outlaw?

[unreal hinge]

i dont drop other shoulder/wrist

ill craft wrist next week

[mighty pivot]

I think he's just in the wrong channel

[cinder haven]

If you plan on staying sub I don’t see why you would ever pick neck

[unreal hinge]

i am sry

[vivid vessel]

What

Really?

I always thought all melees were 12

Is feral and monk not 12

[mighty pivot]

I think all are 15, only shamans have 12

[vivid vessel]

Ah ye

Sure

[mighty pivot]

but some have talents to reduce it 1s or so (warriors do)

[cinder haven]

and then some melee specs get to cheat and have long range kicks

but not outlaw, no no

[mighty pivot]

it's actually funny you know, rogue specs are the only melee specs with no extra benefit talent when interrupting

[lime lake]

what does monk or feral get

[cinder haven]

havoc also has benefits from doing aoe stops

feral interrupt has a charge component iirc

[mighty pivot]

dunno I forgot monks and feral existed tbh

[cinder haven]

but that charge can get you dead sometimes probably

[mighty pivot]

monks do have a benefit, ferals don't

monks get -5s on roll & paralysis

[lime lake]

i mean thats pretty garbage

but i guess it counts as something

i doubt they even take that talent

[mighty pivot]

yeah it's not good compared to what other specs get

[cinder haven]

havoc has 3 aoe stops, st stun, ranged kick 😛

[mighty pivot]

resources or damage

[cinder haven]

can also get fury on interrupt if you talent it

[mighty pivot]

to me that indicates that devs don't expect rogues to interrupt

[fallow fractal]

so do i dropp crafted ring for this ?

[wintry solar]

They expect rogues to use Cheap Shot

[mighty pivot]

if you don't spend your entire subt window cheap shotting are you even a rogue?

[vivid vessel]

Havoc and dk is ranged

Feral kick is terrible tho

Having a charge on it

Is legit the worse thing ever

[nova basin]

not many dps' take a big of a hit on their dps as much as we do if we want to go full ham control mode, we do about 3-4 different individual CC's which blow our CPS and damage for what another dps can do to all units in a single GCD

[fallow fractal]

yeah so the mythic ring is an upgrade

[nova basin]

i mean crafted is always a placeholder to minimise unlucky slots dropping or just non existent drops for the stats you want.

[fallow fractal]

yeah but still wowhead bis list shows crafted ring

[nova basin]

depends on if you have all of the other gear too though right? just becausae an item is BiS doesnt mean its BiS for your current setup

[fallow fractal]

ye

still weird

since the minimal lesser haste doesnt matter while the minimal more vers is nice

[vivid vessel]

I wouldn't mind as much if dr wasn't a thing for st ccs

[mighty pivot]

"wowhead bis shows X" this means nothing. It might be bis for that exact gear set, your gear is different

[nova basin]

i thinl if they added the blind to restless blades it would be kinda nice.

maybe too op actually..

[mighty pivot]

too op

unless it was on float

still might be too strong

[nova basin]

we just need something like that, a cc that isnt going to hit us in an already struggling momentum to keep dps rolling xD

[mighty pivot]

airborne irritant has some other issues as well (affix thing, mechanicals)

[vivid vessel]

hm

mage has like

5 diff aoe cc

on like 30s cd

or someshit

[vale warren]

Blind doesn't even work half the time anyway

[mighty pivot]

they can just reduce blind CD baseline so that it's not dogshit

if it's 30-40s with airborne and give it like 1.5-2s of unbreakable CC it puts it in line with other aoe CC

maybe also add our CC on AR's gcd reduction

[vivid vessel]

i dont wanna press blind more

[mighty pivot]

just don't talent it

[wintry solar]

This is a long shot but does anyone remember the guy I was talking to a while back when I said a dev said verbatim "we know some players like how hard a spec can be but at the end of the day it's not the experience we're looking to give our players"?

I found the interview that was said.

[mighty pivot]

yes popo I keep a diary of all the people you discuss with

[wintry solar]

Weirdo

Don't do that

Oh well

[mighty pivot]

why are you looking for that guy

[earnest sphinx]

Put blind off gcd

[wintry solar]

I found the sauce he asked for

[nova basin]

they could even add an interaction with blind, if blind is broken before the cc ends the target is still blinded and misses attacks for the remainder of the duration.

[earnest sphinx]

This would be broken

[nova basin]

no broken than them not hitting in the cc

[mighty pivot]

blackjack already does that somewhat

but blackjack being a choice node with tott...

[nova basin]

yea that is true

you could argue high keys that tott isnt totally needed

[wintry solar]

It's heal reduction ain't it? Icr

[mighty pivot]

30% reduced damage & healing (done)

[nova basin]

i mean thats a huge group defensive on demand

and you would spec the 10% coodldown on blind and shroud because of it

[mighty pivot]

and pickpocket range

[nova basin]

fuck yea

[wintry solar]

They could reduce the amount of casters in general tbh

[mighty pivot]

I don't think tott is skippable

[torpid fiber]

yeah blackjack is crazy but tricks is also kinda huge tbh

[wintry solar]

Make ST great again

[torpid fiber]

tricks is a dps increase

[nova basin]

ToTT should be baseline

why is it even a talent

[torpid fiber]

Why is it a choice node

[mighty pivot]

they needed to put something in the class tree

[torpid fiber]

I think it's a fine talent tbh it just shouldn't be a choice node

[mighty pivot]

like 2% leech that only works in stealth and actually doesn't even work there

[torpid fiber]

Tbf isn't that bc that was replacing something else that used to be there

I think a decent amount of our class tree is fine tbh

The layout is pretty good, the issue is that we have some flexibility but all the options are dogshit

The vanish part is an issue tbf

[nova basin]

combine both blade flurry talents and let us always spec 2 points in FtH would be nice

[torpid fiber]

That's spec tree

[wintry solar]

I'd like flexibility in capstones besides Tea/SC between HO and KiR

[torpid fiber]

Spec tree has bigger issues imo

[wintry solar]

Tho mastery being bad holds tea back a lot

[torpid fiber]

Tea is also just not really an outlaw vibe

[nova basin]

there was a point in dragonflight though where actually stacking mastery was like so underrated and it actually pumped.

[wintry solar]

What's an outlaw vibe

[torpid fiber]

We have more energy regen so the energy is worth less and we don't want short stat increases

the worst class tree talent though is cold blood frfr

[nova basin]

if it increased the crit chance and crit damage by 100% it would be a cheesy opener for fatebound 😛

[wraith lagoon]

have run a bunch of dungeon slice sims and consistently get myth lily simming higher than any hero trinket - any chance im being baited by the sim? everything I read says we don't want mastery

[nova basin]

we dont but its not like its completely dead stat.... although it kinda is.

[wintry solar]

It's alright in aoe

Or rather gains value in aoe

[nova basin]

let me run my assa build in outlaw and see how much it pumps

[wintry solar]

Which is not the same as being alright

[vivid vessel]

This is the biggest scam of the century

[nova basin]

before killing spree

[wraith lagoon]

like - I have myth idol in vault and for whatever reason lily is simming 0.5% higher

[nova basin]

i still run idol.. its nice

dont open with it on mass aoe before tank pulls though, initial hit from it does not get triggered from ToTT..

[sharp bloom]

Do I take the Belt ? cause I still have a the delves one. The gloves ? mine still are champion gear ... The sword ? I already have a max level crafted one but maybe the up is still worth IDK

[nova basin]

belt will need replacement in patch.. the sword any good for Oh?

also if you can sim i would.

[solid kelp]

wasnt mastery real good just on a single pull in AA?

[wintry solar]

Mastery being good is a sign of a bigger issue

[solid kelp]

I loved lagging my whole party for half a sec every blade rush

[wintry solar]

Yeah it's peak

[nova basin]

nothing beats the lag of the pally frikking light beams in last tier raid

the beacon spammage lagged entire raid for seconds at a time

[wintry solar]

We need cannonball barrage back but the animation cranked to 1000

[tulip quarry]

The sword is our actual BIS XD

[sharp bloom]

really ?

omg

[mighty pivot]

make it so that you ride around a ghostship and have to aim and shoot cannon shots like a vehicle

[tulip quarry]

Yep

[wintry solar]

I already said this

Smh

[mighty pivot]

was that yet another imaginary discussion with an imaginary person?

[wintry solar]

It should be like the helicopter from Dastardly Duos. That thing controlled so well. It's a shame no one played that mode including myself.

[sharp bloom]

But I need to make it mainhand ? and ditch the crafted one ? or It's ok for me to use two swords while I wait to craft a dagger ?

[mighty pivot]

lil bro did dastardly duos

[wintry solar]

Well yeah

[tulip quarry]

You can use two swords, take this one and max it out and switch your current main hand into offhand

[wintry solar]

You expect me to have an opinion based on what I've been told on a subjective matter?

[mighty pivot]

yes

a strong opinion too

[wintry solar]

Nah

I played it twice and have a moderate opinion on it.

It wanted to be brawlers guild so bad

[mighty pivot]

there was nothing appealing in the rewards

[wintry solar]

I didn't know it had rewards

[timber geyser]

hey friends. Does it matter which type of weapon Outlaw uses for main hand between sword / mace / fist ??

[wintry solar]

No

[torpid fiber]

nop

[wintry solar]

Sword best tho

Has aura

[timber geyser]

Does it matter at all which type Outlaw uses for off hand ? or just use highest item lvl ?

[torpid fiber]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[timber geyser]

lol true !

[torpid fiber]

just use ilevel

[wintry solar]

Highest ilvl

[timber geyser]

ty guys ! ❤️

[wintry solar]

If swords weren't so cool, why weren't the dreadblades axes or maces?

[tulip quarry]

I would have killed to have your vault ^^

[timber geyser]

Actually so true !!!!

[wintry solar]

I spit facts, what can I say?

[mighty pivot]

a mace called dreadblade would very interesting

[tulip quarry]

Dreadhammer XD

[mossy rock]

random quick question i came up with, is it better in large aoe (8+ tar) to Killing Spree before Ghostly Strike? Reason is because ks hits random targets in the pull, so you'd hold ghostly strike for a longer st dmg window

obviously if ur in a 5-6 roll you just send that shit cause gs is 100% uptime

[torpid fiber]

uhhh
Good question lol

That would make sense to me?

Honestly I could see it being true at lower than 8 target counts

probably doesn't come up all that much though

[mossy rock]

maybe like 4+, cause then its a 1 in 4 chance ks hits ur gs target

mostly opener honestly

[torpid fiber]

in opener can't imagine it not being worth to send on initial subt window

[mossy rock]

oh forgot that part mb

[torpid fiber]

And then ig if it comes up from the subt window along you can probably hold it

but yeah if it comes off gcd same finisher cycle as ks I can see it being worth to hold on high target counts

[long barn]

How good is the tertiary stat Avoidance. Like how much would you need to make it worth?

[proven ocean]

?

it was good in DF

[vivid vessel]

No

I mean

[proven ocean]

u even considered it 1-2 months ago

over 1 hour tricks

i still remember it zac

u cant fool me

u can be wrong too zac

[vivid vessel]

No I meant

It's a scam

That it's a choice node

With tricks

[proven ocean]

not but

[vivid vessel]

Cause tricks is so op

[proven ocean]

u genuinely considered it against 1 hr tricks

last season

[vivid vessel]

So we can never take blackjack

[proven ocean]

i told u that was omega cooked

cuz 1hr tricks op

[vivid vessel]

I'm saying thats something we should be able to take as a talent

[proven ocean]

rip i dont have the screenshot

[vivid vessel]

Instead of it being Perma locked against tricks

[proven ocean]

well

aggro is an issue now yes

but back then it was w.e

but ye behind tricks is cooked idk

should be fixed for sure

i dont see them fixing aggro anytime soon

they just keep on buffing aggro % thinking its enough

[red zinc]

One step forward two steps back every season

[vivid vessel]

I just don't see why

[proven ocean]

zac

[vivid vessel]

The only useful utility talent we have in the whole tree

[proven ocean]

u realize they buffed aggro cuz it was bad in raid right?

[vivid vessel]

Is locked being something we can't take off

[proven ocean]

and its 10x worse in M+

legit cringe

[red zinc]

I really think aggro should be radial somehow

[vivid vessel]

I know

[proven ocean]

how they "fix" aggro for raid

and not m+

[red zinc]

Like if you hit 1 mob it transfers to everything else in combat

[proven ocean]

when its legit a crazy big deal in M+

[vivid vessel]

Tf this means

[red zinc]

Idk

[proven ocean]

Tf this means

[red zinc]

tf this means

[proven ocean]

ur cooked timmy

[red zinc]

ross i am toiletpapering your house in outlaw neighborhood

[mighty pivot]

i am free

[wintry solar]

Yuckx

Now you get to weapon swap

[mighty pivot]

I already did

[wintry solar]

L

[mighty pivot]

with adv track

[wintry solar]

L gameplay

"But you only do it at bosses"

Don't care

L gameplay

I hate you Ninja

[mighty pivot]

same

[wintry solar]

Noooooo

[mighty pivot]

I hate myself that is

[wintry solar]

[mighty pivot]

well at least I can spend some of my valorstones this way

[wintry solar]

Bright side

[mighty pivot]

I even have like 800 saved in consums/quest but it's impossible to spend them all

[wintry solar]

The 2000 cap is Ludacris

[mighty pivot]

maybe if your guild feeds you loot you can spend them

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/right-here-ludacris-what's-your-fantasy-song-at-this-spot-at-this-place-gif-10189903412767825465

Flightstones in general suck

[mighty pivot]

they did say they are looking into them

[wintry solar]

Crests already fulfill their purpose

So idk

I guess for lower tier gear it matters but who upgrades that?

[mighty pivot]

it matters for when you have multiple gear sets

[jolly geyser]

A lot of people

[wintry solar]

A lot of people upgrade adv gear?

[jade abyss]

@vivid vessel Is Sleight of hand simming higher in dslice for you? If not why run it in m+ ?

[sour vault]

I only have valorstones on characters I actively do content with. Whenever I want to upgrade things on an alt, valorstones are short supply

it's garbage

[jolly geyser]

Carved and runed stuff

[vivid vessel]

sims the same

but it under sim cause of the bug where you keep buffs

also idc it feels better to play

or idk

i hate outlaw

[jade abyss]

When you mean the same it's within margin of error? For me it's like 46k behind

[vivid vessel]

ye margin

[jade abyss]

yeah alright

[vivid vessel]

you need the new apl

i dont think you have it

[mighty pivot]

new apl is not in by default no

[jade abyss]

oooh

ok I see so it's simming with old APL and that's why it's behind

[mighty pivot]

spec

[vivid vessel]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6r1r7e358NS3WcDgDVMSpJ

[jade abyss]

Why not push the new APL?

[mighty pivot]

not ready

[vivid vessel]

Because when you do apl changes

It's easy to have something working for the things you want it to work for

But then you need to verify it works for everything basically

And that's the part that takes time

And that no one wanna do generally

[mighty pivot]

solo will do it when he has the time, between today and midnight's release

[wintry solar]

Mmmm midnight

More like MIDnight

[mighty pivot]

[jade abyss]

ah yeah ok I see, there's quite a lot of work going into this and I thank deeply anyone who does it

There should be some kind of tip system

[mighty pivot]

there is, you can donate OutlawCoin to solo

[long barn]

@vivid vessel - How good is the avoidiance stat in higher keys? Like would you take it over BIS weapon in vault? It seems like they buffed tertiary stats or something. getting a lot of them now.

[eternal valley]

Hello Guys, I am new here. I want to sim my char but I am not sure what to use for m+ ? I used Patchwork 5 Targets 5 Minutes up until now. But is it realy the way to go ? Can someone help me with this or maybe sim it ?

[vivid vessel]

No

Idc

I'm playing outlaw

I'm literally invincible

Especially avoidance

[mighty pivot]

use dungeon slice

[vivid vessel]

Is particularly useless for law

Like I just feint

[long barn]

yea

[red zinc]

Avoidance is big on any other spec but ye

Feint is just perma 40% avoidance

or 45 i guess with trickster

50?

I dont remember numbers

oh wait you dont play that node that was the dfc tech

[eternal valley]

Thank you ! I will use that. Is there particular reason behind it ?

[haughty wigeon]

But mafic from wow forums said that outlaw is squish and feint/elusiveness/ and the talent that makes feint have two charges are bad and somehow overpowered

[vivid vessel]

Mafic is a dumbass

[haughty wigeon]

Did he

Lie to me?!?!

[mighty pivot]

dungeon slice is combination of some single target fights, some low mob count, and some higher mob count. It is a simple (but not accurate) representation of how a dungeon goes

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/how-dare-you-james-franco-looking-gif-15728181

[red zinc]

Is mafic surf guy

[mighty pivot]

yes the goat

[red zinc]

or is this another new character

[mighty pivot]

👍 🏄‍♂️ 🏄‍♀️

zac hating on outlaw jesus is just taking it too far

[long barn]

When Zac is doing less than Monksea there is a problem

thats all that needs said

Someone should just send the fucking video to blizzard and get this shit fixed

[wraith lagoon]

what are people using for RTB WA wise? is the muro one compatible with the loaded/sleight 2+ roll stuff?

[rose granite]

u just RTB when it feels right

[wraith lagoon]

am a bit of an outlaw tourist so the buff tracking can feel like it takes up too many brain globals

are the WA packs reasonably accurate or are they kinda scuffed?

[sour vault]

they help but they also make your interface feel like youre in an arcade

I'm also struggling

[strong cargo]

Is it a known bug that vanish can make Soleah bug in P2 ? The first beam was cast on me, I vanish to keep ADR for second phase, the boss RECASTED the beams, keeping 2 sets of beams so players had multiple beams going at the same time towards them and got oneshot

[sour vault]

the muro rtb WA is pretty decent, it's triggers align with when I think I should be rolling

[wintry solar]

Mafic S tier gamer

[mighty pivot]

yes that can happen. It's just one of the many lovely things around having to vanish every 20s

[wintry solar]

That's about where it ends

Currently

The heals too

[strong cargo]

Do you know a good time to vanish to save adr buff during boss immunity ? I guess I can vanish if the cast isn't on me first, but if it is, i'm fucked

[severe drift]

just swap to pack leader spec

[buoyant cosmos]

Welcome to gamble, the spec.

Sitting on ADR if she's about to phase is fine imo

Hit the boss for a bit for cdr then hook to your spot

[wintry solar]

This is NOT the gamble we need

Ace is enough rng

[buoyant cosmos]

I hope they don't end up letting us languishing until midnight pre-release

[wintry solar]

They might tbh

[buoyant cosmos]

Cursed

Fr

No capi

Cuh

[red zinc]

Even longer

[wintry solar]

You are preaching bro

[red zinc]

The talent that fixes everything will be the apex talent

Gotta wait till release-release

[wintry solar]

Don't say that

That's evil talk

[buoyant cosmos]

[wintry solar]

This is posi-nation

I hope we can get out of subterfuge hell personally

[mighty pivot]

they should add Premium Talents, which you can only access with +50% sub costs and make the spec less ass to play

[severe drift]

Everytime they try to fix things on Outlaw (which happens once every year), it ends up messy, buggy, or total shit

[solid kelp]

tbh id pay more for removal of crackshot and adding of some real talent instead

[mighty pivot]

take that back about crackshot

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't mind crackshot

[quiet root]

crackshot is so good though

love proccing ace a couple times in a row

and don't we all?

(apparently not)

[mighty pivot]

no I love vanishing into BTE and then pressing SS 4 times for another BTE

[gaunt phoenix]

Sam

e

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/982342616614043680/1419842577003184138/image.gif

[mighty pivot]

📎 image_1.gif

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187390524802486344/1419538058520428595/image_1.gif

[wintry solar]

People will look at you with a straight face and say peak

[torpid fiber]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187390524802486344/1419538058520428595/image_1.gif

[lucid sandal]

x

[tired crow]

damn... i need both a new belt and bracers and then there's the trinket lol

[normal forge]

ST Fatebound, use ambush during subterfuge windows or no?

[gaunt phoenix]

Kir doesnt use ambush

[normal forge]

okapa

[loud garden]

OUTLAW!!!!!!

[stiff glade]

OUTLAW!!!!

[tired crow]

LAW OUT!!!

[gaunt phoenix]

there are many good trinkets, and can dinar it later, prolly go bracer to catalyze

[quiet root]

oh yeah the catalyst bracer is good isn't it?

thanks for the reminder since i have a bracer with socket

[tired crow]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/iahDUTPui4TshLwMgqvkYt

yea bracer is better

[normal forge]

u are using weekly build

shouldnt we use nightly or something?

latest, i mena

mean

[tired crow]

"The latest build from SimC. Can change rapidly. Higher chance of bugs.Keep an eye on the git hash to avoid confusion."

i can sim with nightly too

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7bFtyGwjc3vZ2PpNSAWxCX

[normal forge]

why sometimes i am in subterfuge window and my bar do not change to the subterfuge one?

[tired crow]

do you use a addon?

[normal forge]

nop

[tired crow]

hmm maybe reset the ui? because i dont have any problems and i use the stanard ui

[normal forge]

might be the cancel aura thing somewhere

[tired crow]

cancel aura for what?

[normal forge]

fatebound st bug rotation

read this

[tired crow]

unfortunately i can't say anything about that, because i play trickster sorry

[normal forge]

if u use this macro during combat, it will put ur bar as out of stealth mode.

#showtooltip Adrenaline Rush
/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah it does

[buoyant cosmos]

If this is for raid, why not just make your stealth bars the same as out of stealth

[forest bloom]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[glass mortar]

If ur playing ho u will probably need to use the ambush macro to counterplay the ghostly macro removing ur stealth bar

!ambush

[ornate heath]

It is possible to use a macro to cast Ambush during Stealth/Audacity and Sinister Strike otherwise, instead of using the stealth bar:
/cast [known: Hidden Opportunity, bonusbar:1] Ambush ; Sinister Strike
*This is most useful to swap between HO and KIR builds without changing keybinds.
Stance swap delay is, for now, not an issue since we don't want to cast vanish into ambush anymore.

[fathom carbon]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[fathom carbon]

I'm at 18.15% haste. Running vers in my cloak.
Think it's safer to swap it into a haste version thread instead?

And that's 18.15 is with a haste flask on atm. Got room to get an offhand that got haste on it + convert my mainhand to haste/verse instead of crit/vers.

But swapping cloak + maintaining my haste flask should be ok right ?

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

[rose granite]

seems like a job for raidbots.com

[torpid fiber]

Also that

[fathom carbon]

I'm not hunting the 0.1% here. Just trying to understand outlaw basics by now and from what i've picked up. Our haste is somewhat important to get right 😄

[rose granite]

could be multi 0.1%'s

[fathom carbon]

And i will energy starve a little less aiming for 20% over 18% if i understood it right aswell

[rose granite]

ideally, u never energy starve

[fathom carbon]

Fair, will try and sim some converts

[buoyant cosmos]

Getting your gcd down to the minimum during AR is the goal of 19% haste

[fathom carbon]

Ooh, i thought it was mainly to avoid ''starving''. Shows me how well i understand the spec xD

[copper radish]

So where are these alphas scoops at

[buoyant cosmos]

With around 90% ADR uptime in keys once you get comfortable (and don't die) you'll feel fine with your energy

[hollow creek]

is the antenna with sigil allways the best combo ?

[wintry solar]

Why couldn't alpha be today

[copper radish]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/could-chinas-exclusive-titan-reforged-servers-be-the-next-step-towards-classic-378602

Why does China get the fun stuff

[buoyant cosmos]

Netease tries new stuff

[wintry solar]

Activision is in China's pocket

[copper radish]

This sounds so cool. Level 80 cap. And raids randomly release with all the legendary being upgradable

[wintry solar]

It's wrath so yeah lvl 80

[copper radish]

No. It’s wrath tbc and classic all at once

[buoyant cosmos]

Their mount reskins looked so cool, aside from the diabolical rates from the gacha boxes

[wintry solar]

Right but it's based on the wrath server

And its the latest expac so you have enough content to level through

[fathom carbon]

Noob question. How do i get the raidbot tool to swap thread in my cloak? I picked an upgraded haste and one Vers version but it did not choose either?

Do i have to remove the thread up above first?

[wintry solar]

Regardless is looks cool

[copper radish]

Semantics

[wintry solar]

Unless the specs are the same

[wintry solar]

Really not

[copper radish]

They focusing on this new classic over outlaw 😭

[wintry solar]

Naw

[gaunt phoenix]

tick the 'replace enchants' box

[wintry solar]

Different team

Outlaw is cooking rn

You know what they say about ovens, if you looking you ain't cooking.

[gaunt phoenix]

bro wow in china is like

their biggest market

[buoyant cosmos]

It's bigger than EU and NA combined rihht?

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe

[wintry solar]

It's pretty big, I'd believe it.

[gaunt phoenix]

idk official numbers

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't remember the specifics from their weekly key info

Not that you can extrapolate that into population

[gaunt phoenix]

tbf china itself is more populated than US & EU combined

[copper radish]

Def is. Billion plus people there and they always get unique stuff

[buoyant cosmos]

It's always the market businesses want

[buoyant cosmos]

For sure

[copper radish]

Where do yall think the highest % of the gold farmers are located too lmao

[wintry solar]

How do they find the time to play wow while working long days at the long day plant

[buoyant cosmos]

I was there in 2012 or 13 and one of our tour guides had a horde polo shirt on lol

[red zinc]

are the child gaming laws still in effect over there

[buoyant cosmos]

I think it's flat screen time, not just gaming

[red zinc]

where they restricted like a few hours every weekend only for people under 18 to play video games

[copper radish]

Not for the ones forced to farm gold all day for Pennies

[wintry solar]

Me to my son and nephew

[buoyant cosmos]

They outsourced a ton of that to Africa

[gaunt phoenix]

Popo

[wintry solar]

Farm my herbs

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk if "china = factory" is in good taste

[red zinc]

i mean its written as a satirical joke the way I read it

making fun of the people that say stuff like that

[wintry solar]

That's not what I said but sure

Factory as in a place of employment

[copper radish]

Like Foxconn right

[wintry solar]

Idk what that is

[copper radish]

Where all the iPhones are made

[wintry solar]

"Long day factory" is a factory that makes long days

It's really not this deep

[buoyant cosmos]

Jk they make them in India now

Maybe idk if apple backed out of that

[wintry solar]

I personally work at the long night factory where all my nights are long

[copper radish]

Brother u just keep going lmao

[wintry solar]

Coming to wrong conclusions is dumb

[buoyant cosmos]

Those kit kats were poison

[wintry solar]

They usually are

[buoyant cosmos]

True

[gaunt phoenix]

No i know

i mean like

associating china with factory workers

idk

is that a harmful stereotype

lol

[buoyant cosmos]

Australia has a dark chocolate and orange flavor that's good too

[lethal oak]

Popo is a boomer its an ok worldview

[mighty pivot]

least surprising popo view

[copper radish]

He was a cop all u need to know

[wintry solar]

Would it have been as bad if I said ball crushing factory?

[copper radish]

Maybe it it was associated with a certain pet then yeah

[gaunt phoenix]

nevermind

[lethal oak]

[wintry solar]

It's the word factory fs

The ball crushing plant

[lethal oak]

Zac works at a baguette factory

[gaunt phoenix]

[wintry solar]

I wasn't expexting them to bring back artifact weapon abilities for remix but I'm dissatisfied this is how it turned out.

[copper radish]

Is that associated with….?

[wintry solar]

Idk what I was expecting ig

[wintry solar]

Zac

[gaunt phoenix]

it's ok when it's french

[wintry solar]

Yeah

French don't even care about french

[lethal oak]

Its honest work for an honest man

[wintry solar]

I miss Bac

He's the polar opposite of Zac in some ways

[gaunt phoenix]

bac crashed out

cause this is the worst outlaw season

[wintry solar]

What happened

[gaunt phoenix]

in recent history

[wintry solar]

He gone?

[gaunt phoenix]

Idk

[wintry solar]

He's still here.

Has there been a worse season?

[gaunt phoenix]

uhhhhhhhhhhh

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-bart-simpson-homer-simpson-simpsons-movie-sad-gif-26103551

[gaunt phoenix]

Not that i remember

since df

[lethal oak]

Why dont one of us just get on the dev team?

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe s2 df which i didnt play

[wintry solar]

I'm thinking S1 legion was pretty bad

[gaunt phoenix]

oh sure

that might be beyond 'recent history'

[wintry solar]

True

[copper radish]

Outlaw just dead in the water and blizz ignoring us till next expansion

[mighty pivot]

no shareholder likes outlaw

[fathom carbon]

So, got the sims to run with haste flask and swapping things.
This suggest me to recraft my weapon to haste/verse and also go all in haste/verse gems with the haste thread right ?
https://imgur.com/Guoq40j

[stiff glade]

S2 DF was pretty bad too, but not quite like this. And it was in part cause of aug as well, which isn't directly an outlaw issue

[lethal oak]

If there are buffs, they aren't coming until the patch

[gaunt phoenix]

i think the purple thread is vers

[wintry solar]

They'll probably give bandaid fixes

[fathom carbon]

You're right 😮

[mighty pivot]

if you mouseover the thread you should get the tooltip

[gaunt phoenix]

But unless you select this, it wont mix and match gems

[mighty pivot]

or fibre I guess

[gaunt phoenix]

im so glad my haste gear is solved ngl

there's nothing that could drop that would make me have to fuck with haste

[fathom carbon]

I mean, i can just get lucky and get a haste offhand from this event and i'm solid 😄

[wintry solar]

I got to 20% and said good enough

[gaunt phoenix]

Please revert the haste thing in midnight and just make haste give % damage during adrenaline rush or something

then boom haste is AT MINIMUM just as valuable as vers

and then lust is good

and pi is decent

but not oppressively strong

and then we are a haste vers spec

[wintry solar]

Running out of gold on my dk to pay off the priest

Haste cap removed, uhuh changed/deleted, and KS tweaked is all I want from Midnight. The bar is not high.

[copper radish]

What’s wrong with UHUH

[gaunt phoenix]

Basically having to be in adrenaline rush or you do nothing is not healthy gameplay

[wintry solar]

Yeah

Also it's why I hate outlaw in pvp

[copper radish]

I know I just like getting Popo amped up about it

[wintry solar]

Because we don't get super high uptime

[gaunt phoenix]

[wintry solar]

Nothing in this game pisses me off more than UHUH lmaoo

[copper radish]

I thought it was GSW and crackshot

[wintry solar]

Nope

I like crackshot

Gsw is just bad

Uhuh is my least favorite outlaw specific talent ever

I'm trying to think what was worse

[copper radish]

The one change I want reverted is DF season 1 FTH change

[wintry solar]

What's another outlaw talent

[gaunt phoenix]

Supercharger

[wintry solar]

I like that

[gaunt phoenix]

which i actually warmed up to

[wintry solar]

W talent tbh

[gaunt phoenix]

i didnt like it originally

[copper radish]

Now if only vigor was baked into supercharger somehow

[wintry solar]

I was ambivalent towards it

[gaunt phoenix]

Well we get 3 class points in midnight

so we will just get vigor

which is a W

[wintry solar]

There's nowhere else to go anyway

[torpid fiber]

we could take slow duration reduction

[gaunt phoenix]

We could take ||cold blood||

[wintry solar]

No stop that

I was actually typing that out and deleted it

I don't wanna macro every button again

[gaunt phoenix]

What do you think they will do with fatebound tier

if they keep it

the tree is tolerable

but

macro gaming is annoying

[copper radish]

2 set bonus gonna be an apex talent

[vivid vessel]

Is it

[gaunt phoenix]

tolerable yes

[wintry solar]

I want to say they're reworking the tree but that sounds like wishful thinking.

[vivid vessel]

Without the tier it's so annoying

Never proccing the capstone

[gaunt phoenix]

tolerable WITH tier

[vivid vessel]

Tolerable 💀

[wintry solar]

It's spec specific ability

[vivid vessel]

Oh he

Ye

[gaunt phoenix]

where alpha

[wintry solar]

I think in blizzards crusade against buttons, kir will get killed.

[gaunt phoenix]

i need to see our changes

apex talent

what are they cooking

[copper radish]

Yeah. Ghostly/shiv for outlaw/sin

[gaunt phoenix]

I think they will make kir guarantee a 5 roll

still be a button

[copper radish]

If we could get like 15% guarantee on 5 rolls that would be sick

[wintry solar]

I think it'll increase 5 buff odds and when it does, the duration is doubled.

Assuming they don't delete rtb

[gaunt phoenix]

If kir is going to be a passive

[wintry solar]

Which I don't think they would tbh

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

i'd rather it just massively inflate count the odds

[vivid vessel]

Solo

[wintry solar]

I love rtb spam

[gaunt phoenix]

Me

[vivid vessel]

I won't crashout over the changes this tier

Mark my words

[wintry solar]

Him

[vivid vessel]

I'm reformed

[proven ocean]

[jagged plover]

i havent been here in months and i know that isn't true zac

[wintry solar]

Going into midnight or this season?

[gaunt phoenix]

I won't doubt you if you say outlaw is trash on ptr

[vivid vessel]

Alpha beta stuffs

[wintry solar]

Ah okay

[vivid vessel]

Ok thanks

I mean solo look

I think one thing I have always been objective about

[proven ocean]

I mean zac u say outlaw is trash even when it tops the meters

[vivid vessel]

Is outlaw tuning

Nope

That's untrue

[copper radish]

Pin it

[vivid vessel]

I said outlaw was giga in S2 and in S3 df

[proven ocean]

Im sure chat will agree

[vivid vessel]

Zeross

[copper radish]

Outlaw with fang swords in DF was 🔥

[vivid vessel]

You were saying outlaw was op on ptr

[proven ocean]

Chat yes or no

Ye but

[vivid vessel]

Before it even got 20% buff

[proven ocean]

Zac u do it alot

[vivid vessel]

You are litteraly cooked

No I don't

[stiff vector]

Im not saying I will crashout if they royally fuckup apex talents+rework but....I will probably crashout

[copper radish]

Go back to sub zeros

[proven ocean]

They buffed everything by 50% or someshit

[torpid fiber]

Words marked

[vivid vessel]

I litteraly was arguing with you that outlaw was good in S2 while Yoh were saying it wasn't

Like

[wintry solar]

Zac is there a limit to you not crashing out?

[vivid vessel]

Why you trying to rewrite history

[wintry solar]

Like if they delete crackshot or whatever

[proven ocean]

I mean it was trash till they fixed bf

So i was never wrong on that

[vivid vessel]

Im talking about after bf fix bozo

[jagged plover]

will we know what the apex talents are before this or this will be the reveal

[severe drift]

Crackshot sound feeling is awesome tho

[vivid vessel]

You want me to get the proofs out again zeross

[wintry solar]

We all like crackshot but he's gotta have a limit

[vivid vessel]

Or what

Don't make me do it

[stiff vector]

tbh I will probably crashout if they do anything less than completely rework Fatebound, its a completely irredeemable pile of shit

[wintry solar]

Ace reset is absolutely the best sound in the game

[proven ocean]

Ngl u were posting details with the most scuffed comps on the planet

[severe drift]

-fatebound +outlaw

[copper radish]

We are gonna be mid ranged and then we can crash out over that

[proven ocean]

And u were like

Look

Zeross

Outlaw bad with mage

OFCOURSE ITS BAD WITH MAGE

[copper radish]

Outlaw and arcane is S tier

[wintry solar]

I don't want it to be midrange but I'll try it before I quit.

[wintry solar]

Bros still in SL playing pvp

Lucky bastard

[proven ocean]

I mean jordy didnt even come here for months

And he knows you well zac

[severe drift]

wasn't it the worst expac since warlord of draenor

?

[proven ocean]

U cant hide ur true nature.. @vivid vessel

Realz confirmed it too

[torpid fiber]

SL outlaw was pretty peak

[jagged plover]

it's not outlaw if zzac isn't crashing out, someone has to

[copper radish]

Bussy buss

[wintry solar]

Idk, probably. I gauge expansions based on how combat/Outlaw was and that's why bfa and sl are my favorites

[copper radish]

I just want the old blunderbuss back so I can say bussy buss all day long

[torpid fiber]

A lot of ppl here are going to have better memories of SL than the average player bc outlaw was in a really good spot design-wise in SL

[copper radish]

AI or real?

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel heres my proof

[proven ocean]

Real lol

[severe drift]

I mean, if the xpac itself sux so much ass, who cares about outlaw

[jagged plover]

i think it's good fwiw, for someone to have strong feelings on design

[copper radish]

Our girl Sylv coming back for midnight

[slate forge]

Using realz as proof of anything with the state he left us in rn is comical at best

[wintry solar]

Quite a few tbh

[torpid fiber]

It was fun

[proven ocean]

I mean sure outlaw sucks

[copper radish]

Highlight of the xpack is living in a house…….

[proven ocean]

But sometimes u can add salt

[slate forge]

And whose fault is that

[torpid fiber]

If the game is fun then the bad stuff doesn't feel as bad

[proven ocean]

And pretend it isnt good even when its op

[copper radish]

How quick until people are bored with player housing

[wintry solar]

Yeah, when your design is good, farming torghast isn't nowhere near as bad.

[jagged plover]

some people are animal crossing mains, they'll run that shit for years

[vivid vessel]

How come every spec in the game is allowed to play with random comps.

But not outlaw

Tf you mean

Like you play sub and assa in normal comps

They gain the same amount of damage from riad buffs

So what's up with that

[severe drift]

this. Like people praising Housing like if it was the next gen shit which gonna carry WoW. I legit wonder how

[vivid vessel]

Why is outlaw diff

You knob

[jagged plover]

outlaw is the most oppressed rogue spec, unironically

[copper radish]

We already have it and it’s called Garrison 😭

[torpid fiber]

Ok tbf I didn't like torghast at outlaw
Torghast with brann would be peak as fuck though

[slate forge]

Rogue most oppressed class too

[wintry solar]

You underestimate the amount of people who want housing

[severe drift]

and it was terribad

[proven ocean]

I mean sure i agree

[wintry solar]

Yeah torghast still blew for sure. Brann would've been sick.

[jagged plover]

probs yeah, some classes may have had lower points but rogue feels like the skeleton at the bottom of the pool for a few years now

[proven ocean]

Outlaw just sucks balls rn

[copper radish]

Maybe the new brann for midnight won’t randomly attack shit I don’t wanna pull

[wintry solar]

I really don't get the housing/garrison comparison

[torpid fiber]

Brann legit solves so many of my issues with solo content

[proven ocean]

Im willing to bet that outlaw is the worst spec in the game atm

Carried by rng

[copper radish]

How are they not the same lol

[proven ocean]

To hide its true suckingness

[copper radish]

Ones in a capital city the others ur own city? Idk

[red zinc]

unknown

[severe drift]

I mean it's not the same, it got a different name and you can place stuff, gg

[red zinc]

its our class this time its over

cant blame the hunters anymore

[wintry solar]

Garrisons had player power tied to it, not customizable at all, there was a grind involved, the list goes on that's simply not applicable to housing

[severe drift]

grind is indeed involved in housing tho

[red zinc]

you placed buildings in garrison with a wonky ass UI

[jagged plover]

valeera gonna make me log in single handedly

[red zinc]

housing is a creative feature garrison wasnt

creative in the sense of being able to do whatever the fuck you want

[wintry solar]

I'm gonna merge furniture and make a sick gaming set-up

[wintry solar]

In the same way you grind for mogs, sure.

At that point what's not a grind

[severe drift]

true

[copper radish]

I’m gonna crash ur house and host a party when u not there

[royal stump]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[wintry solar]

Sorry bucko I keep my doors locked and my guard ghouls hungry.

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel idk if u remember in s3 df zac when i told u outlaw is insanely dogshit and its purely carried by tierset giving extra rtb

And outlaw will just be dogshit if it doesnt get 3-4 rtb guaranteed no matter what

Even 3 is barely enough

[severe drift]

doesn't make housing the best content they ever made tho, which feels it is when you hear people talking about it. We'll go back to the very same 8 M+, 3 nights raid, log off scenario.

also, Mythic rewards in M+ when ?

[proven ocean]

To cover its true bad rng

What

[red zinc]

naw you know you post a cooked message when zeross says what

[jagged plover]

i mean housing isn't for the people who spam group content

[wintry solar]

To some, possibly a lot, it is.

[jagged plover]

it's for the collector, roleplay, civilian andies

[copper radish]

Hey the 3 raids are time gated so first few weeks it’s what 1 boss then 3 bosses 😭

[red zinc]

which is apparently three quarters of the playerbase

[red zinc]

no they arent

not in that way

7 bosses right away, last 2 few weeks later

[copper radish]

Thought it was the opposite of that from what I read

[wintry solar]

I think even people who spam group content will have a house they make.

[red zinc]

read again

[jagged plover]

it really blows my mind that that many people could play like that but i have no basis for not believing it, just my own experience of what i do and all the people i know do

[severe drift]

I will sure have one

[red zinc]

ye idk either

[jagged plover]

yeah ofc but they're not logging in for it

[red zinc]

but the way lizzard develops the game its definitely true

[jagged plover]

to some people adding housing is like adding raiding (if it weren't in the game)

like that is their shit

[red zinc]

i really hope there will be some hard content rewards for housing

[wintry solar]

Yeah it's a massive deal that gets underestimated a lot

[jagged plover]

trophies or something would be pretty fire

[red zinc]

feels like the perfect place to add more specific achievements

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel i think i know why outlaw cant play without class buffs btw

[severe drift]

I mean it's fun a week or two, but once you've seen the whole mechanic and possibility, it's just mog with extra steps, except nobody is gonna see your shit

[red zinc]

top 100 spec achievements in m+ or whatever

[proven ocean]

But it seems like urr not reading anything i wrote so i wont bother

[wintry solar]

Unlike garrisons, your friends can see them.

[vivid vessel]

Because it's under tuned lol

[severe drift]

but who will visit ?

[vivid vessel]

That wasn't the case In sl or df

[wintry solar]

Your guildies and friends

[jagged plover]

havent looked into any details of the feature but i assume people can visit your house or some shit

other people who care about it

[red zinc]

i will be forcing my entire social raid to come to my house before every raid

wym

[severe drift]

Like are you really gonna invite people to take a cup of tea at your in game house ? is it a thing ?

[vivid vessel]

Guys

Zeross

[wintry solar]

Yes

[vivid vessel]

Which house you want

[wintry solar]

Absolutely

[vivid vessel]

In the neighborhood

[severe drift]

jizz

[jagged plover]

like are you not aware of how insanely popular animal crossing-like games are

[red zinc]

can i claim one already zinc

[jagged plover]

people love that shit

[vivid vessel]

Ye Timmy

You are eu right

[proven ocean]

I think if u look closely its not directly tied to tuning, mages, dk’s etc have insane uncapped dos and their dps is tuned based on the route and not on ur class much

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

i want this one

on the waterfall

[wintry solar]

I want all of you to see my gaming set up and torture chamber

[jagged plover]

pokemon finally woke up and they're making their own animal crossing game too

[vivid vessel]

Ye well target cap doesn't help bro

[proven ocean]

Its cringe i think that outlaw is capped but devs will stay ignorant about it

[red zinc]

MINE

[vivid vessel]

But again that's kinda tuning still

[proven ocean]

It sadens me to say it is the primary issue

[vivid vessel]

If you did appropriate damage it wouldn't need to be uncapped

If you were absolutely topping

[red zinc]

business man ross

[proven ocean]

Why cant u play without class buffs? Well meta routes pull big

[vivid vessel]

Under 8

But that's never the case so

[proven ocean]

I mean thats the thing

They dont care about the 8 thing

They never did

[jagged plover]

it would be better but wouldn't it still feel bad

[wintry solar]

Housing has been asked for for well over a decade

[severe drift]

I like that it's capped, having classes that destroys street-like keys is fine, as long as you're really destroying them.

[wintry solar]

15 years at least

[red zinc]

if you want to keep the profile i personally like keeping cap but adding 1 ability that is soft capped or whatever

so you arent fully sunk

been discussed to death already thoughh

[proven ocean]

Ur playing with shit players if ur beating them in streets because i see zac being gapped by ppl who have 5 ilvls less

[red zinc]

topic #1 type shi

[jagged plover]

pressing blade rush

[red zinc]

if blade rush cranked id press it

[wintry solar]

I low-key think we need a small CD with charges for aoe

[jagged plover]

i dont remember when but pressing it was decent at some point i think

[proven ocean]

U cant compare class balancing when multiple players play differently

[wintry solar]

Nothing crazy

[jagged plover]

lagged my game it was sick

[proven ocean]

Ur good and ur grp is bad

Bad comparison

[red zinc]

hundreds of things they can do

just a waiting angle

[wintry solar]

Fs

[severe drift]

that's not what I meant. Having capped classes is fine as long as damage follow in street-like keys. Didn't tell actual outlaw destroyed anything beside our sanity

[proven ocean]

Ye but outlaw isnt even good in streets