outlaw

[dawn talon]

so im full bis by the end of the tier if i play the game

[cinder relic]

Gearing is in a good state imo

[fallen mural]

truely the only thing they need to change is give us myth track with dinars by doing +15 keys

or +18 by then

whatever is difficult at that time top 1% io

[wintry solar]

I don't think so, we're like 7 weeks in the patch and I'm already pm maxed out on hero track gear, save for a few pieces.

Just waiting for teammates to catch up

It doesn't feel like I'm doing anything when it's so accessible

[dawn talon]

i was maxed on hero track gear 3 days after i made my guy

like i was every tier before this system too

[wintry solar]

It's boring

I'm bored

[elder phoenix]

i was max'd out on heroic track bis gear on week 1 i think lol

[wintry solar]

There's no way

[elder phoenix]

except for the boots i got the normal boots from hunter boss

cuz of the weekly

the timewalking weekly i think

[wintry solar]

Was that week 1 idr

[elder phoenix]

or w/e weekly that was that gives normal track gear from raids

[dawn talon]

yes way, doing ecodome 31 times

[wintry solar]

Fuck that

[fallen mural]

i just made a 30 man raid earlier this week for soul hunters and i was the only leather wearer that needed boots to get mine haha

[elder phoenix]

How do you see how many times youve done a dungeon for items?

[dawn talon]

i have a wa that tracks them

[elder phoenix]

but how do you see them on raider io?

i thought raider.io tracks them?

[fallen mural]

click the achievments tab, goto war within, tab under statistics

you should be able to see how many times you killed a boss

[elder phoenix]

i did floodgate 23 times

cuz i was hunting for that trinket

lol

wait no not 23

25 lol

i did ara 21 times

for the trinket

i did echo 14 times for the trinket

then after that i just spammed dawn

[fallen mural]

https://tenor.com/view/rookie-numbers-gif-26135237

[quaint mauve]

@wintry solar i get heroic antenna first try on my dh….

[wintry solar]

Naturally

Why all my outlaws rerolling to dh

[quaint mauve]

IM NOT REROLLING

THERES NOTHING TO DO ON MY MAIN

also i love dawn

[wintry solar]

I can't believe you're rerolling to DEMON HUNTER

Like

?????

[quaint mauve]

anyways.... i have frostmourne on roblox

might reroll dk

[wintry solar]

How much

[wintry solar]

They got outlaw-esque bugs

It's nice

[stable wolf]

It feels so pointless though, my rogue has 5 decent myth track items and is barely 1 itemlevels ahead of the Char I played for 3 days because of crests and simdps is the same too

I feel like the crests system needs like something like this

where your cap raises when you do stuff like endbosses and whatnot (not by much of course)

per character

and have catchup be like half of that or something

[quaint mauve]

orrrr

uncap and make it transferable who cares

its a hassle more than anything rn

[stable wolf]

that would kill the fun of gearing my alt though

tbh

[quaint mauve]

idk

gearing is a chore

its easy rn

but its still a chore

[wintry solar]

I think it should be

Should be harder

I've barely had an incentive to play this expac because it's just so free

And fast

I'm swimming in trinkets and crap

All of equal ilvl

Most equal ilvl

The whole point of raiding and M+ is to get better gear

Or title ig but no one cares about that

[quaint mauve]

i think

classic has a better gearing system

no cap

[wintry solar]

I agree tbh

[hardy thicket]

er

gearing is great now stahp

I dont want tedious gearing processes I just want my guys geared so I can play fun content without feeling gimped

[quaint mauve]

it doesnt feel rewarding at all

and it time gates you so hard

idk

i dont like time gating

thats my dislike

otherwise idc

[hardy thicket]

you just said classic has better gearing system

[quaint mauve]

bc i dont play retail to gear

[wintry solar]

What you want is instant gratification to have access to harder content.

[quaint mauve]

i play to push keys

yes

exactly

:)

[wintry solar]

Not you

[quaint mauve]

oh

[hardy thicket]

yes

exactly

🙂

[quaint mauve]

anyways guys i finally got a trial for a mythic guild

[wintry solar]

Then why even have gear at this point?

[quaint mauve]

weekend schedule to perfect

[hardy thicket]

I mean you are barking up the wrong tree here

I wouldnt mind template characters

so there you have it

[quaint mauve]

me neither

[wintry solar]

Wtf

[quaint mauve]

but i do like seeing my character get stronger

thats why i like having gear

i jsut dont like having it restriced behind time

playtime whatever

but just afk time is so boring

like rn

i have 0 point to play

[hardy thicket]

So anything that makes gearing less tedious is just good in my book

[quaint mauve]

bc i cant upgrade my gear and im locked out of the raid bosses i need

[wintry solar]

I don't get it

I have bags full of useless gear because I'm showered with it and I'm supposed to believe it's good this way?

Fuuuuck that

[quaint mauve]

dont time gate crests and for me gearing is perfect

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats annoying

[quaint mauve]

or drop the crest system in general and have gear drop at its highest ilvl from certain content

[wintry solar]

Buy crests with gold

[quaint mauve]

like mythic raid and key level (?) drop the highest ilvl gear

no upgrade system for the gear

[hardy thicket]

bring back Titanforging amirite

[wintry solar]

I was gonna mention the upgrade system earlier but eh

Its nice to have as BLP when I don't get good stuff from vault

I wouldn't cry if they took it away for whatever reason

I doubt they would tho

[hardy thicket]

Its actually crazy to think that you could spam a dungeon for a minimal chance at just getting your BiS trinket max:ed out mythic level with +avoidance

holy shit that was a crazy system

and with a socket too

[fathom bramble]

when bis was functionally impossible to get

[hardy thicket]

I remember Ramfam had like a counter of 100+ SoB:s run to get a max ilvl spyglass with socket and avoidance

[fathom bramble]

and some people just had a perma advantage from some crazy titanforged trinket

[hardy thicket]

ye

you could run HC and just get a better version of the Mythic trinket if u were lucky

LOL

so dumb

[fathom bramble]

crests and the upgrade system are definitely a better way to do this

[fathom bramble]

I got a heroic max titanforged trinket from nighthold and wore it for the entirety of the next tier

[stable wolf]

I swear, +10 max crest per dimensius kill per week per character, problem solved, gearing is perfect again

[hardy thicket]

I got the Ashvane Coral (?) trinket maxed out TF with socket

in BFA

[stable wolf]

I can see the vision clearly

[hardy thicket]

was hilarious

[fathom bramble]

maybe if it's only +10 max heroic crests

[stable wolf]

+5 for a mythic 10

[fathom bramble]

I don't think any gear system that promotes playing alts to boost your main is a good idea

[stable wolf]

do you mean splits or 5 different characters for vaultmaxxing?

[fathom bramble]

+10 max crest per dimensius kill per week per character

[wintry solar]

I liked bfa gearing tbh

[fathom bramble]

but I also detest splits

don't get me started on splits

[stable wolf]

I mean the cap is character bound

[wintry solar]

Weekly chest made my heart pound

[fathom bramble]

wait no I misread what you meant I guess

thought you meant boost on all characters per character

[stable wolf]

so your 1 week alts dont have the same power level as your two months main

[wintry solar]

And then the pvp chest for more gear

Good times

[stable wolf]

and more people have incentive to play

[grave carbon]

fuck do you mean

[wintry solar]

Man, that 2h nyalotha axe that explodes was great. Scaled off your armor.

[grave carbon]

thats good

[fathom bramble]

I think uncapping it on the midseason is probably good enough for the cap though

as long as they actually keep doing that

[quaint mauve]

like i wanna push keys on my rogue

but theres NONE

who tryna run squads on fortnite

every 15 is an oce group

[wintry solar]

I should stop maining my rogue so much, 2h strength specs get a lot of good stuff.

[quaint mauve]

i loved the sanctum weapon on fury warr in shadowlands

[frail veldt]

Cuz it's late dog

[quaint mauve]

no excuse....

[frail veldt]

Sleep is good for you

[quaint mauve]

too busy

i procrastinated

and i have 40 problems due

tuesday

[wintry solar]

If the outlaw rework isn't to my liking, it's def a DK>Outlaw angle

[grave carbon]

highschool flashbacks

[wintry solar]

Play dk until I hit my goals and then outlaw

Man I hope I like it.

[stable wolf]

philosophers be like: "bruh velocity is already determined"

[fallen mural]

what 15's do you need

[quaint mauve]

ara kara, priory , streets, gambit, ANDDDD dawnbreaker

[frail veldt]

1.8

Lol

[fallen mural]

damn i would have offered my key but its HoA

haha

[quaint mauve]

wtf why’d you do it

WHY ARE YOU RIGHT?

[frail veldt]

Wdym why

[final pagoda]

what rework

[quaint mauve]

engineer?

[frail veldt]

Ye masters

[fallen mural]

he has it in his name

[frail veldt]

Lol

[fallen mural]

haha

[quaint mauve]

holy fuck

i coulda done it on my own brotha

these building block ass problems aren’t hard

[frail veldt]

Hahaha I believe you I'm just messin

[fallen mural]

Easily said once you have the answer

I don't believe you

😛

[quaint mauve]

i did the first 30 problems on my own haha

[wintry solar]

The alleged hypothetical rework to make outlaw more simple

[fallen mural]

show us the next one after you answer it. Let's see who the fastest outlaw in the west is

[quaint mauve]

also i hate that my proffesor forces us to use this software he made on his own

what if hes like tracking me down

[fallen mural]

He watching you jork it

[frail veldt]

Yeah he watches you play outlaw

Your professor is actually playing prot war

[fallen mural]

He shakes his head at your outlaw play

[frail veldt]

And trolling your keys

So you go back to your homework

[quaint mauve]

holy

the conspiracy goes deeper

hes sending prot warrs to troll me

[fallen mural]

Is there a way to see what the highest timed triple outlaw key is?

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt how much harder is dynamics compared to statics

i got an A with the same prof in statics

[frail veldt]

Depends how well you get differential equations

[quaint mauve]

i had to self teach my self and got an A

i had a professor that i swear didnt speak english

[frail veldt]

Statics is more intuitive for sure

[stable wolf]

so I guess left pulls at full speed and right on half and it averages out is that it?

[frail veldt]

Just think of the string length

So if a pulley is anchored on one side but pulled on the other then for every 2 meters you pull, the pulley moves 1

That's how it creates mechanical advantage

LOL that rename

[quaint mauve]

something something set the origin at a fixed point

string length blah blah blah

[frail veldt]

Something something applied math

[quaint mauve]

yeah u get it

[cinder haven]

Something something figure it out at the exam

[final pagoda]

sources?

[cinder haven]

So much university math that i never used in real work

[quaint mauve]

bro i bombed my first statics exam bc i dead ass went into it without studying saying yeah its just physics how hard can it be

i only got an A because he "saw improvement" from my other exam scores

[wintry solar]

Interviews from Ion and another dev

[quaint mauve]

it was 3 problems and i got half of one right

[frail veldt]

Yeah honestly

[quaint mauve]

well at that point you dont need to know the math

bc ur allowed to use the tools that just do it for you

[cinder haven]

Actually useful shit though is control systems

[frail veldt]

Though I did draw a bode plot the other day

[frail veldt]

Ye that was my major haha

State estimation and controls

I use kalman filters not infrequently at work

And just general digital signal processing stuff

Though ngl every once in a while I'll second guess my understanding of it and go down a rabbit hole of relearning it

[quaint mauve]

a lot of big words in chat

https://tenor.com/view/fluttershy-fluttershy-fisheye-mlp-fluttershy-gif-10624513448260273395

[frail veldt]

Bunch of fucking nerds in here

[cinder haven]

Guilty

[quaint mauve]

ig you do have to be a super genius to play outlaw

[frail veldt]

Nah have you met zeross

[quaint mauve]

hes an outlier

[cinder haven]

He’s not dumb

[quaint mauve]

also yeah idk hes never said something that geniunely made me think hes stupid

theres only one person.

[frail veldt]

I think he's dumb by choice most of the time

[torpid fiber]

you weren't here for the coffee argument

anyways I am also a nerd, doing a comp sci/maths double degree with honours in comp sci

[frail veldt]

Where are the finance chads at

[quaint mauve]

ima go get snacks and a energy drink

i have.... to do mechanics of materials

BELH

BLEH

i really dont like that class rn

[frail veldt]

Do they all play fury warrior

[final pagoda]

any speculation or leak on how its gonna look like and when?

[quaint mauve]

i know one that plays presvoker

i think hes rank 1 presvoker actually

[frail veldt]

Plenty of speculation

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt yeah you became my tutor btw, u have no choice

[torpid fiber]

I only know quant people in finance but I feel like they'd probably play fotm

[wintry solar]

Just it's more than likely happening at midnight. But it's just speculation and largely hinted it

[frail veldt]

Well shiet

[frail veldt]

Quants are smart

P sure they're math majors not finance majors though lol

[torpid fiber]

yeah lmao

[quaint mauve]

or CS no?

[torpid fiber]

I got to round 2 of Jane Street interviews and then didn't get an internship in any of the 10 places I applied including boring as fuck normal places

[frail veldt]

Yeah that's brutal

Labor market is rough for stem majors rn

[torpid fiber]

Yeahhh

[frail veldt]

Well depends what part of stem

[torpid fiber]

I have good grades and even multiple scholarships and stuff you'd think my resume would be good but ig I'm just super dogshit at one-way interviews

[frail veldt]

But yeah been trying to help lots of friends out get their way in, that first job is tough to get

[torpid fiber]

Fuck one way interviews they're sooooo evil btw

[frail veldt]

What is that?

Are those the like record yourself interviews?

[torpid fiber]

They get you to record your answers to canned interview questions, yeah

[frail veldt]

That shit is CRIMINAL

BOOOOOO

[torpid fiber]

It's so evil

Legit shouldn't be allowed

[frail veldt]

I'm very fortunate to have dodged that era

I did finish grad school right as COVID started so that sucked

Was onto the last round of a few places when they all just started freezing hiring

[torpid fiber]

Yeah that would be brutal

[frail veldt]

I think I got up to like 280 applications before I got a position

[cinder haven]

My first interview was super weird, they never really asked me anything, just tried to sell me the position for an hour

[frail veldt]

Lolol that is weird

Were you overqualified for it or something

[cinder haven]

I was straight out of school

Had friends at the place though

Probably helped a lot

[frail veldt]

Wild

Yeah knowing someone there is a big deal

Referrals go a long way

[torpid fiber]

what pisses me off the most about one-way interviews is that they're always like "what was a time you encountered a challenge?" Like ok fuck off I have good answers to that but also it's so miserable

[hardy thicket]

There are different types of intelligence and people cant have it all

[cinder haven]

I hate the classic interview questions

All of them

Feels so fake

[hardy thicket]

Also most of my interviews ive gotten is where ive taken the piss out of the personal letter stuff so give that a try

[torpid fiber]

I had a place make me do a canned skills test and then sent me the results afterwards.

I got a rejection email saying "your skills aren't what we're looking for right now". They'd sent me the results saying I scored the max rank in every category.

[hardy thicket]

My current employee actually even stopped with personal letters. Kudos to them. They are stupid AF

[frail veldt]

Yeah rn I'm doing like 2-3 interviews a week cuz we're trying to up head count and I try really hard not to make them too miserable

[torpid fiber]

They legit don't even look at resumes anymkre I don't think

[frail veldt]

Like I'm just trying to avoid all the bullshit I hated when I interviewed

[cinder haven]

I’ve helped with technical interviews a fair bit

[torpid fiber]

They just automatically go "do one-way interviews" half the time and then you wait 3 months and they reject you and like. Idk it's really frustrating because I would like LITERALLY ANY FEEDBACK AT ALL

[cinder haven]

Just have a discussion about tech stuff for a bit

[frail veldt]

I hate when someone is just flopping the interview too

So awkward

I try to help em out a lot

[torpid fiber]

I can't even tell which part I sucked at because they make you do all the parts at once in advance and then decide to reject you randomly because they had shit coffee that morning

[cinder haven]

You see in like 20 min if they still work out or not

[frail veldt]

Yeah

[frail veldt]

Sounds really annoying and unhelpful

[cinder haven]

All this pre vetting, hoops to jump idk if it adds anything at all

[frail veldt]

Esp for new grads

[golden lark]

Anyone else got a problem that you cant compete with other specs in m+??

Im running +15s and i always end up 3rd :/

[torpid fiber]

Jane Street made me do a bonus technical interview for round 2 (beyond the 3 normal ones) and then I didn't get the internship

[cinder haven]

Ofc you can’t pull in the tech expert for 40 interviews a week i guess

[frail veldt]

My worst interview was a fucking TAKE HOME interview

They gave me a bunch of control system design questions

[torpid fiber]

LOL

[frail veldt]

I didn't do well it was not great

[torpid fiber]

Honestly if they gave me any feedback I'd take that over one ways

[cinder haven]

We have decided to proceed with another candidate

[torpid fiber]

anyways if anyone here works in hiring at an Aussie tech company lmk

[quaint mauve]

get me an internship haha

i interned at my schools formula team, does that count for something

[fallen mural]

we improvinggggg

[woeful otter]

！wa

[fleet knot]

is there a noob outlaw build for raid that is easier to play and doesnt need ridiculous uptime on the boss :?

[torpid fiber]

there's hidden opportunity which is easier to play but you'll have to sim how much of a dps loss it is

It still requires the same 100% uptime though

[fleet knot]

!log

[woeful otter]

!WA

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[fleet knot]

idk I feel like I just dont do dmg as outlaw, I have a logged kill on plexus and I think I had great uptime there but still the dmg is very low

[torpid fiber]

Are you doing all the fatebound bullshit?

[fleet knot]

hmm is there anything different I felt like it plays almost the same as tricster

[torpid fiber]

Different vanish rules and macros to use

#1276308344813916261 message

[cinder haven]

Yeah it’s kinda significant

[fleet knot]

oh damn i never did this

I thought that the advanced info was just a min max kinda thing for 1 2% increase 😄 gonna read it now

[cinder haven]

Tbh I don’t know exactly how significant this stuff is

But coins is a very big part of FB damage so it’s probably pretty important

[quaint mauve]

guys...

[quaint mauve]

@keen belfry give me ur mage wa

[timid portal]

https://wago.io/l7nWPZho9

[quaint mauve]

ty

[fallen mural]

Im having an issue trying to upload a log, its putting my dawn break key as trash. Is there a way to fix that; any of you know?

[green elm]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

nah i cant believe that this spec is gonna be hard

building block ass spec

https://tenor.com/view/kid-blocks-lazy-smart-efficiency-gif-4982004

[lilac crescent]

How far behind is HO from KiR?

[quaint mauve]

5%

[lilac crescent]

That’s surprisingly less than I expected

[quaint mauve]

something something someone cooked up a build

it used to be 9%

im pretty sure

[lilac crescent]

Where is this build you speak of

[granite merlin]

Its in the outlaw faq it’s the one that had a recent update

[lilac crescent]

Nice thanks

[hasty warren]

Hi pirates

[wintry solar]

[hasty warren]

yo popo

[wintry solar]

Hi

[hasty warren]

what's up

[wintry solar]

Just got home from work

[hasty warren]

pog

[wintry solar]

Bouta have some rum (milk and protein powder)

[vivid vessel]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxETWW_x3ONtd_1lk7hiU_IKe2ATlk35E0?si=SiazKfYuGVLIPv_G @analog fog

[hasty warren]

I miss milk

[hasty warren]

peak

"Why is BM doubling my dps and rogue below tank ?"

[vivid vessel]

classic

[long barn]

I’ve been looking over my gameplay and there’s times I let vanish get to 2 stacks for a 5-10 second window. How bad is that for dps loss? It’s usually during the opener.

[mighty pivot]

the answer is obvious. Hunter players are 3-4 times as skilled

[long barn]

I don’t know exactly what to push after the 6 second suberfuge window from stealth. KS then vanish?

!rotation

[vivid vessel]

y

[wintry solar]

The average BM is better than the best Outlaw.

Where's the lie

[mighty pivot]

bm hunters are just better players. mad?

[wintry solar]

[mighty pivot]

imagine if they hadn't toned down the buff btw

[wintry solar]

Need that meme of homeless squidward going "spare buffs?"

[quaint mauve]

https://discordapp.com/channels/124169701881282560/1276307559061524652

[lucid sandal]

does the 1hr tricks not work

[wintry solar]

It's buggy on bran, other than that it should work fine

[vivid vessel]

you need to activate it first

the first buff isnt tricks

[waxen scarab]

any chance we good at last boss?

[devout garden]

Dimensius? Pretty bad

[torpid fiber]

dimensius is bottom 3 bosses for us since legion from what the good players have said

[vivid vessel]

?

its the worse outlaw boss in years

i dont think there ever was a worse outlaw boss

[chilly ember]

I mean we are in fight when we clicked on the portal

[vivid vessel]

ok that part is kinda irrelevant tbf

its everything else xd

[chilly ember]

It takes 3 sec to fly

[fervent locust]

hey I don't play much rogue and I was checking the rotation on both wowhead and icyveins, is slice and dice not used ever? none of the guides mention it

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble i was watching dorki/dratnos thing right, and dorki proposed a solution for bosses with dps stops like dimensius, he proposed that on these type of fights you should just get cdr during these downtime part, so your cds are always back and dps stops dont matter
bro wanna burry flatline specs even more

[hasty warren]

dispatch put SnD

[torpid fiber]

tbf I think it's a good solution to that specific problem, it just causes other problems that suck ass

[hasty warren]

since tww

[vivid vessel]

ye just make cds even better

as if cds arent better baseline on these type of fights

[torpid fiber]

yeah lmao

[vivid vessel]

my solution is freeze everything instead

so there is no downtime

ah !

how about that

you noob

didnt see that one coming

cd user

[fervent locust]

ah i didnt notice that, is it a talent that does it?

[torpid fiber]

The actual solution to that problem was that they should have just made the default downtime in the fight slightly longer so it wasn't an issue tbh

You'd still have dps stops with frozen cds

ig maybe less

[hasty warren]

a passive

it's not a talent

[torpid fiber]

Would depend how stuff lines up

[vivid vessel]

it doesnt stop the dps stop issue

but it changes everything

cause then

cd specs

[torpid fiber]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

arent at an advantage

[fervent locust]

ah i see its cut to the chase, thanks

[torpid fiber]

like it's a good change

[vivid vessel]

and you would have to just assign cds to diff part of the figtht

instead of having cds for everypart

cuase of the downtime

and then having to hold dps

[torpid fiber]

It's just not a solution to the problem they were trying to solve

[vivid vessel]

to get the cds backs

kinda could be

because then your sub rogue guy for example

would only be able to cd first platform

and keep them for damage amp after

[chilly ember]

I once use rwo 160 ilvl weapons during the stops in mugzzi last season

[vivid vessel]

what you gonna do

[chilly ember]

[hasty warren]

np, remember to check #outlaw-faq if u have questions !

[vivid vessel]

hold dps for 40s

[orchid gale]

banger

[vivid vessel]

!

[orchid gale]

unironically

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, it'd just be an issue if you had to stop dps to get the cds to be up for the amp, which to my understanding is basically the current issue to some degree

but like that issue is just all fight parts length

[stiff vector]

god damn that would be the ultimate punch in the balls...CD specs that already have way better dmg profiles just getting handed CDR on their shit for free? Holy every fight would be as bad as Dimmy for outlaw then

[torpid fiber]

solvable by someone getting out a ruler

[vivid vessel]

ye

[indigo token]

do we just have to accept that flatline specs aren't congruent with WoW's design

[vivid vessel]

nope

blizzard have to stop designing the same fights

over and over

[chilly ember]

Do we truely have a rogue designer?

[vivid vessel]

its always the same damage profile

or just tune flatline specs

accordingly

[red zinc]

Does the cosmic dr from dimensius ring work on all magic schools since cosmic includes everything

or does that not work that way

[cinder relic]

Cosmic isn't everything

It's mostly everything isn't it

[red zinc]

i mean yeah not phys

but think it includes arcane, nature, holy, shadow

which in turn includes some stuff afaik

[cinder relic]

Cosmic is holy nature arcane shadow

Ya it's most

Not all tho

[red zinc]

missin frost and phys i guess

[cinder relic]

Fire

[vivid vessel]

oh

really?

i tought that ring was legit only usefull on dimensuis or someshit

but its just all damage type basically ?

unfortunate the stats are garbonzo

[cinder relic]

Yep

Cosmic damage is everything except for fire damage and Frost damage

And phsy

[copper radish]

rogue are masters of all... mages got nothing on us lol

[sacred rune]

think its easier to say what it is instead of what it isn't

[frail veldt]

That actually does a lot of people who work at our company did their schools ev car team

You should apply lol

No guarantees though the referral system doesn't get you past the interviews lol

[jolly totem]

@quaint mauve got afew logs https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jx1RyvT6dbfgYqHc?fight=2&type=damage-done

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/Jx1RyvT6dbfgYqHc?fight=8&type=damage-done

my normal parces seem fine but my heroic parces are doodoo

[gaunt phoenix]

a few things i see at a glance

your opener should be this macro

/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```
followed by roll the bones. Dont roll the bones a few seconds before the pull

this macro is slightly bug abuse and lets you get 6 of both fatebound coins at once

[granite merlin]

Woah

I need to do this

[gaunt phoenix]

and then in your opener it looks like you slam killing spree immediately

[granite merlin]

Maybe I’ll go from blue parses to slightly better blue parses

[gaunt phoenix]

killing spree should not be used in stealth windows

in stealth windows your only finisher is BtE

[copper radish]

pretty sure my fresh 690 BM just did more in a 2 key than my 712 outalw does in a 10 key lol

[gaunt phoenix]

you seem to press naked pistol shots a lot?

i'm not sure if it's on accident

we basically never press a raw pistol shot

[jolly totem]

so only pistol; shot on proc

[gaunt phoenix]

you only use pistol shot when the proc is active (opportunity), which makes it fire multiple times

and then, even when opportunity is active, you decide between sinister strike vs pistolshot based on current combo points and opportunity stacks

you basically try to only use pistol shot when it wont overcap combo points, unless you hit max opp stacks

it does looks like you are accidentally double pressing finishers a lot

like you use dispatch and then accidentally dispatch again

This kinda destroys your dmg

[jolly totem]

so while in my stealth window i need to be trying to be pumping out as many BtE at m6 or more CP correct?

[gaunt phoenix]

yea in stealth you build to 5 and then spend with bte

[stiff vector]

or you could be me and pistol shot with 0 stacks like a idiot because I miss my stacks falling off by 0.1 cuz of stupid trickster making me spam SS

[gaunt phoenix]

another thing is that fatebound wants to use vanish into ghostly strike every time

for coins

like literally break vanish with ghostly strike

[compact bear]

Hello new to outlaw… I was watching some videos trying to understand the gameplay during m+ and why I do so low damage. So I checked that

1)I miss a lot of time running around losing my main target
2)I miss my damn vulpera in the screen in all those mobs
3)BtE doesn’t do that much damage during vanishing period
4) I use sinister strike all time or I build with ambush?

Every suggestion needed. Thank you

[gaunt phoenix]

however you may need to vanish early to not lose adrenaline rush

[jolly totem]

i see

[gaunt phoenix]

The KIR build doesnt use ambush at all

it needs sinister strike to proc opportunity and generate count the odds better

[gaunt phoenix]

there's a pinned message about this fatebound tech stuff

it is slightly weird but after a bit you will get it

[glass mortar]

missing alot of time to ur target not being in front of u and losing ur character in the pack is extremely detrimental to outlaw btw

moreso then possibly any spec in the game

since all ur aoe attacks pretty much are directional

and you dont have burst you need to be making your dps every gcd of the pack

theres good WA to help mark where ur character is in a pack, id highly recommend getting one

it puts like a crosshair over the center of your hitbox

i think packs might have it by default?

[compact bear]

Which one weak aura? Do you have any suggestion for the cross?

[crimson niche]

I remember having a weakaura that told me how many mobs were in range of blade flurry back in DF or something, did that shit get nuked or am I just too dumb to find it again?

[glass mortar]

i cant get in the game rn to get mine but theres tons of them on wago

@vivid vessel might have a link to one on his twitch

[compact bear]

found one

[glass mortar]

very useful thing to have tho ur positioning in the pack matters as law (BF radiates out from you) and missing just 2-3 seconds to ur mob mobing behind you can be half of ur highest damage window (crackshot) and 5 gcds

its very costly for law to have these small downtimes in the long run

[compact bear]

so apart from this i want to use blade flurry many times when it refreshes and use it as a skill for damage and builder

[jolly totem]

@gaunt phoenix tyvm for the pointers

[glass mortar]

you use it as a builder if it will fill ur cp bar yea

[compact bear]

ok thanks i will come back with more questions soon 😄

[balmy topaz]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[analog fog]

xd

why i do 0 dmg this pull

blade flurry hit eggs or what

[hasty warren]

maybe

[vivid vessel]

Skill issue me think

[hasty warren]

15M seems good on this pull no ? or I'm just bad af ?

[analog fog]

tank dmg

[nova cargo]

hey bois i see on icyveins we will use a sword in offhand too?

[hasty warren]

whatever u want

[gaunt phoenix]

sword vs dagger is basically the same (0.2% difference)

[glass mortar]

15m is like ur on 8t with ok buffs and meh procs

ur not making any mistakes

just rng

xd

actually thats probably average even not below average

why did i just watch a bm hunter clip

this is ragebait

ragebait spec

[hasty warren]

why play Outlaw to brerak ur hands with complexe rotation and apl when u can just play BM spaming 3 buttons ?

[analog fog]

cuz bm hunter need a support class in the comp like outlaw rogue

[glass mortar]

i maintain my principled stance that bm ever being allowed to be this good is illegal

[analog fog]

so u can pull mobs early for tank so they keep their combat stacks

[glass mortar]

the specs niche is being a melee dps with a 40 yard range

that isnt a niche i respect

[hasty warren]

make sense

can't BM do this too ? with misdirection ?

or duration is too short

[glass mortar]

30s cd 6s duration

like base tricks

[hasty warren]

1h tricks should be default

change my mind

[analog fog]

they dont have sprint 2 grapple

like after 2nd boss ara pull mob asap good

[hasty warren]

so u just help tank taking aggro

and funnel bm

[proper veldt]

what does bm gain

[proper veldt]

[jolly geyser]

Not a single mount from my runs, Zacs fault

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

[red zinc]

#BlowUpZac(InGame)

[vivid vessel]

???

@mods

[proven ocean]

Outlaw support class

Ur high in bfa outlaw copium

[vivid vessel]

its true tho

my entire purpose in the group rn

[proven ocean]

No it isnt lol

[vivid vessel]

is giving tank agro

[proven ocean]

Prot warr vdh pull things way faster

[vivid vessel]

so my fury warrior

and feral

[proven ocean]

Its just non meta issues

[vivid vessel]

dont die taking agro back

support spec

[jolly geyser]

why not get hunter instead of rogue then

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

outlaw tricks is the best in the game

nothing better

[jolly geyser]

fair

[red zinc]

WE RISE

[proven ocean]

Tricks is useless with good tanks if ur with them on voice

[vivid vessel]

zeross

no one asked your opinion

[proven ocean]

Didnt ask that u didnt ask

Ur spreading false info cuz kira team never die from aggro

He always says on voice care aggro no big dam

[red zinc]

[proven ocean]

Fixes it insta

[vivid vessel]

wait wtf

give me that

tf

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1419388543872270447.webp?size=96

[red zinc]

nuh uh

[gaunt phoenix]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1419388543872270447.png?size=256

[red zinc]

its my ghetto creation

(add glorpingspree )

[vivid vessel]

@gaunt phoenix

[gaunt phoenix]

[red zinc]

tried asking AI to do it first but that shit made the most cursed ass images ive ever seen

so now its a ghetto paint creation

[compact bear]

i am using the delve belt with the skills which one is better to use and when should i replace it?

[glass mortar]

mine got replaced by a socketed haste vers 704 belt but maybe that sim was fake cause it seems like alot of people r still wearing it

u can just sim but probably high herioc to mythic belt to replace it

[copper radish]

bm pack leader build with no multi for keys doing more 20 ilvl lower than my outlaw lolol

[glass mortar]

i believe u use either the critical chain one or the charged crystal but u can just sim that

[cinder haven]

When you sim belt, make sure you explicitly select critical chain

Just import from armory doesnt quite work as intended iirc

It defaults to charged bolt i think

[compact bear]

havent unlocked any of those two

i am using spark burst currently

[vivid vessel]

takes 1 min to unlock

crit thing is better

[compact bear]

how do i unlock it?

sorry i dont know many things

[vivid vessel]

open belt and mouysoever the thing

it says which delve you nned to do

[compact bear]

oh thanks mate

[wild rivet]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[chilly ember]

Sky is red

Can only win at main target with 718ilvl…insane

[jolly geyser]

raining blood..I mean frost

[red zinc]

this version worse icl

vs

[gaunt phoenix]

[red zinc]

he lookin the wrong way

[jolly geyser]

add this also

[red zinc]

wtf

[quaint delta]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[blissful ivy]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[wintry solar]

Amazing

[untold yarrow]

does anyone ahve that screenshot from zac

OUTLAW!

[jolly geyser]

its in pins

or was

[wintry solar]

We can't have fun pins :(

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[frail veldt]

can you explain the numbers here?

Does chinese put the comma at different places?

[red zinc]

i did the thing

[frail veldt]

im guessing thats 4.6 mil

[red zinc]

ye

they do in 10000 segments

[twilit sundial]

Dagger or something else in offhand?

[frail veldt]

I guess that symbol means 10,000

[twilit sundial]

Or just whatever has better stats

[frail veldt]

so its 467 * 10,000 lol

interesting

[jolly geyser]

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[frail veldt]

not as fucked up as how french counts

@vivid vessel dont yall do some wacky shit

[red zinc]

QUATREVINGTS

[fathom bramble]

four twenties and ten 👌

I'm like 51% sure french still write numbers normally though

[wintry solar]

That's what I put in the strippers G string. I knew French was good for something!

[random stirrup]

commas instead of decimal points is criminal

[fathom bramble]

I guess

that's close enough

[frail veldt]

bro what

other way around

[random stirrup]

bro wants to use 3,5 for 3.5?

crazy

[frail veldt]

oh or do I have it mixed up

ah yeah I thought you mean

1mil

would be

1.000.000

that would be giga criminal rofl

[fathom bramble]

also three and a half would be 3,5

it's both

[frail veldt]

yeah that one is weird

how would you tell

3.495 from 3,495

theye both just 3,495?

[fathom bramble]

the same way we tell 3.495 from 3,495

[frail veldt]

wdym

[fathom bramble]

they are both swapped

[frail veldt]

they would write 3,495 for both

OH

wait

so a million is 1.000.000

thats not right

[random stirrup]

a million is just 1 000 000 iirc

its been a while

[fathom bramble]

I thought it was either

1 000 000 or 1.000.000 both being acceptable

while three and a half is 3,5

[frail veldt]

ah gotcha

thats fine then as long as theres a distinction lol

[cinder haven]

Peak #outlaw content

I swear no one plays the spec anymore, we all just come on here to yap about random shit

[jolly geyser]

its for the best

[wintry solar]

Spec ain't worth talking about

[red zinc]

nothing left to talk about more like

[vivid vessel]

IM KINDA BLASTING

[wintry solar]

As if to illustrate my point

[frail veldt]

half key?\

[vivid vessel]

till first boss of hoa

[frail veldt]

lol

honestly bro

just reroll

its joever

[vivid vessel]

at least im blasting shards tho

so its ok

im usefull

[frail veldt]

yeah you have prio damage

[vivid vessel]

ye

thanksfully

[frail veldt]

well

think about this

[vivid vessel]

imagine if outlaw iddnt have prio

🕉️

[frail veldt]

you do bring a raid buff

imagine if we didnt have a super valuable raid buff

[mighty pivot]

🕉️

[frail veldt]

then our spec would relaly be in trouble

[vivid vessel]

ye right

[frail veldt]

oh

[vivid vessel]

imagine if we didnt have a raid buff

[wintry solar]

You bring style

[vivid vessel]

that would be insane

[frail veldt]

and ofc cant forget about bringing a brez

then wed REALLY be in trouble

[cinder haven]

I’m gearing havoc

[frail veldt]

I geared a brew but I kinda dont like it that much

well im like partly geared but still

[wintry solar]

Got my trusty bdk

[untold yarrow]

guys

help me

should i go outlaw for araz

im about to get ligma trying to figure out how to align things

[mighty pivot]

align what

[untold yarrow]

idk it feels awkward trying to align the flag with boss abilities

like im also doing every soak

[inland acorn]

what

[mighty pivot]

doing every soak is grief

[worldly shale]

bruv i forgot to take haste fiber to get to 19% on plexus

parsed 80

[untold yarrow]

well its my job in this boss so

i have to

[inland acorn]

no ?

What

[untold yarrow]

as in assigned to do it xddd

[inland acorn]

half raid 1st soak

other half 2nd

3rd immunities

???????

[mighty pivot]

if you don't soak 1st then you can flag at 20s, 2min, and then for the 2 amps

[untold yarrow]

my assignemnts are like this

[mighty pivot]

if you have to soak the first then you cannot flag late and have to do it on pull

[inland acorn]

why is your raid

[untold yarrow]

1st soak cloak -> add dps -> 2nd soak regular -> 3rd soak cloak

[inland acorn]

not doing 1st soak

ranged

are you running

14 melee dps

or what

[untold yarrow]

3 hunters, 3 warlocks, 1 mage xddddd

[inland acorn]

that's

enough for soak

if you put healers in

???

Your RL is cooked

[mighty pivot]

doing soaks 2 and 3 should be fine with minor losses

soak 1 is definitely a decision

[inland acorn]

if your melee is doing 1st soak

it's a crime

[mighty pivot]

justice for melee

[inland acorn]

Like that's actually just inting

lmao

[untold yarrow]

im legit

struggling so hard

to do dam

half my shadow blades is when im out of melee

xdd

[mighty pivot]

yeah no wonder

if you are set up for failure that's how it goes

[timid portal]

erm

what is a good price to buy entropy low crit high vers?

[jolly geyser]

that depends how you value your gold

[mighty pivot]

or your rl money

[wintry solar]

Erm

Other people's money isn't real

Everyone but me has an infinite amount

Therefore, it's okay for me to steal.

[worldly shale]

Anyone got 12 bucks

[wintry solar]

You do

[rocky kiln]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[hardy thicket]

this resilient system annoys the shit out of me because half of them are "note tips" like no bro im not going to tip you to play a fucking key

[jolly geyser]

never go in to a new expansion with low gold

[worldly shale]

no u

[timid portal]

bcs i could get the entropy for ~1.8mil

[worldly shale]

curios are fueling my gold reserve

got 500k for a normal one once

[inland acorn]

tell your RL to actually research a fight

Because he's mega cooked

[mighty pivot]

just link him lorrgs for araz

[wintry solar]

No more weed before raid

[heavy mason]

I feel like I'm being absolutely garbage on Araz, I'm doing 3m dps in p1

[inland acorn]

press blade flurry ?

[untold yarrow]

idk bro

like

[heavy mason]

I don't have logs, because we use private logs

[inland acorn]

Why private logs lol

[heavy mason]

Does that matter?

[red zinc]

private logging heroic is odd

but you do you

[heavy mason]

Heroic?

[inland acorn]

Private logging is odd

ftfy

unless you're literally like top50 WR

[red zinc]

This is mythic?

[inland acorn]

Or trying to hide some bug abusing

[inland acorn]

looks like mythic wipe idk

[red zinc]

16th on boss damage on mythic

[untold yarrow]

im 13th

🙂

wait not on boss dam

[heavy mason]

Well yeah I'm asking wtf I'm missing no?

[inland acorn]

Hard to say without logs

Like I can't say shit about your

coup usage

vanish usage

AR uptime

RTB uptime

Anything relevant

lol

[red zinc]

If you’re doing less than tanks then you might be better off just reading guide again

Especially if there’s no logs to go off of

[inland acorn]

what he said 100%

[red zinc]

isnt just one thing goin wrong, id check if you were maybe using ambush in stealth though cause thats a common large dps loss as kir

[indigo token]

why would you be using ambush in stealth

ur already stealthed

[junior coral]

What days do balance tuning typically go out? Monday or Friday?

[deep sequoia]

friday i believe

[red zinc]

stop deluding yourself into waiting for balance changes

[deep sequoia]

ITS COMING I KNOW IT

[mighty pivot]

outlaw tuning is on the 30th of february

[deep sequoia]

imagine being literally like 5% below every single other spec and they decide to buff boomkin instead cuz they whine

thats insane to me

maybe we should shut down the discord until they buff outlaw and fix sin

[mighty pivot]

it's not becuase they whine

[deep sequoia]

its because they shapeshift into a cockring for the blizzard ceo forsure

[mighty pivot]

it just helps if your devs aren't perma afk

[junior coral]

Don’t tell me what to do!!!!! 😜

[jolly geyser]

what year

[mighty pivot]

that's classified

[jolly geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/dexter-doakes-squint-stare-suspicious-gif-14432154109786838518

[mighty pivot]

I'm under NDA (never dev attendance)

[wintry solar]

Guys

How are yall not used to Outlaw being mid and trash for every patch but 1?

At some point it's your fault

For having expectations

[vivid vessel]

there is mid

and there is absolute dogshit trash

[wintry solar]

Okay

Point still stands

[hardy thicket]

Mid is good

We take those

[wintry solar]

No mid is mid

Mid is good from our current pov

[hardy thicket]

Mid is mid if ur mid

[wintry solar]

Ur mid

[hardy thicket]

No u

[wintry solar]

[hardy thicket]

[wintry solar]

[jolly geyser]

[wintry solar]

You can add pickles and peppers to drinks at this restaurant near me

[jolly geyser]

pickles to a bloody mary

[random stirrup]

@vivid vessel see unholy is doing it right

just do this

[wintry solar]

They don't serve alcohol

[random stirrup]

[jolly geyser]

sprite with some pepper could work

[wintry solar]

I love when restaurants let you do crazy stuff

My order has a tracking number. They HAVE to mean ticket number right?

[junior coral]

Got a Bloody Mary right now, with pickle juice haha

[jolly geyser]

oh shit

[wintry solar]

He got da pickle in his drink

That looks good

You gonna finish that?

[junior coral]

• more haha

[wintry solar]

Dang

[jolly geyser]

[wintry solar]

What's that at the bottom

Kinda looks like cranberry sauce

Are you having an early Thanksgiving?

[mighty pivot]

isn't that just beet?

[wintry solar]

Oh yeah, those exist.

[jolly geyser]

I like em

roasted beets go hard

[mighty pivot]

<- popo when he sees a vegetable

[wintry solar]

Nawwww

I just never see them

I've had them once and didn't like it

[zinc briar]

why cant pre cloak in araz? for evade the debuff?

i have to cloak after the soak

[junior coral]

Cranberry and beets lol

Polish sooooo lol

[zinc briar]

Why we cant cloak in the soak of araz? we get the debuff

we have to use it later to clean the debuff

dafuq is this

[agile orchid]

Because cloak is spaghetti code

And you have actual immunity only in the first 1 second

So you have to time it

[mighty pivot]

^

frill issue

[wintry solar]

Spaghetti sounds good rn

[hasty warren]

0.001% wype on Loumitar

[zinc briar]

in the last 1

yes, worked thnx

[wintry solar]

Meatball meatball spaghetti underneath

Ravioli Ravioli Great Barrier Reef

[zinc briar]

lovely bugs

[vivid vessel]

wtf

thjats crtazy

so i was right tho

you need 1 log

only

why are the wcl people

not cappable of answering me

that

when i asked

its their own website

and they legit all told me a diff answer

none of which was correct

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf

is that log tho

[vivid vessel]

a boost