outlaw

[vivid vessel]

i can ping the second hop directly?

idk how that works tho

but ye

[shell fossil]

its def the routing some loss somewhere

cause local stuff works fine for me

[vivid vessel]

what annoys me is

[hasty warren]

spaming tree somewhere

[vivid vessel]

i called their support right

and the guys i got

know even less

about this type of shit

than me

so like

[hasty warren]

bouyes sav is shit

[vivid vessel]

I was explaining stuffs to the guy and he was completly lost

[mighty pivot]

that's usually how it goes, you have to talk to 5 different people to get 1 that knows

[vivid vessel]

told me he will have a real guy call me back in a few days

[hasty warren]

I had job offer to work there after my second year

they just hire everyone that can use trace route

ngl

[vivid vessel]

Warp fixed it for you tho right @hasty warren ?

[hasty warren]

i'm connecting

slow potato pc

[tulip quarry]

I can confirm that's routing issue

[vivid vessel]

[tulip quarry]

troubleshooted a PC of a friend of mine and the traceroute results were just fucked up

[vivid vessel]

What does that mean tho

[tulip quarry]

Basically the issue comes from fucked up connection nodes used by this FAI

[vivid vessel]

Like the ISP decided to change something randomly or what

[tulip quarry]

It bot handled from ISP side

[hasty warren]

look like it's doesn't help

[tulip quarry]

But frankly i've switched to orange and well never get back to Bouygues or SFR, it's just shity infrastructure

[vivid vessel]

You have it on?

[hasty warren]

ye

[vivid vessel]

Weird

[tulip quarry]

you can try changing your DNS to check if it helps

[vivid vessel]

Basically everyone in my guild swaped to it

[hasty warren]

idk I need to config something

[vivid vessel]

Bouygues people

And it fixed it for everyone

[tulip quarry]

change them to 1.1.1.1 and 8.8.8.8 for the fallback one

[solemn drift]

DNS unlikely to affect routing though

[tulip quarry]

Nah, but for some that helps with latency

[hasty warren]

realy doesn't help xd

[solemn drift]

If ISP routing is fucked not much you can do

[vivid vessel]

Gg bro

It's over for you

[tulip quarry]

Changing ISP , or using a VPN to change redirect connection

[hasty warren]

[tulip quarry]

Though VPN involved additional latency :/

[solemn drift]

Changing ISP not exactly an easy task

Try exitlag

[tulip quarry]

exitlag might help, though they free trial is 5 hours only in think

[solemn drift]

It's only like $5 a month

[royal ermine]

not really I have mullvad that I throw on if something is ever fucked between my isp and the chicago servers and I drop from 23ms to 11ms lol

[proven ocean]

what does it do zac

[vivid vessel]

idk

[proven ocean]

will it make my pc explode or

[vivid vessel]

some routing stuffs im clueless

fixed the issues i had for a few days

[proven ocean]

zac

no cappy

real story

[vivid vessel]

with wow ms being fucked up

[proven ocean]

last time i downloaded something windows related

my pc actually exploded

[vivid vessel]

I see

[proven ocean]

i had to buy a new one

[vivid vessel]

ye that doesnt sound good

[proven ocean]

i didnt know downloading things can make the pc explode

[hasty warren]

it create a proxy

[proven ocean]

i was reading the comments and 3 ppl typed my pc exploded gg

i thought they were memeing

then

my pc actually exploded

[hasty warren]

so ur connexion don't go to ISP network

[proven ocean]

[jolly geyser]

what exploded

[proven ocean]

PSU

[jolly geyser]

shiiet

[vivid vessel]

skill issue kinda

[vivid vessel]

[solemn drift]

https://tenor.com/view/alien-guy-thats-crazy-woozy-crazy-scientist-gif-8609893263374809391

[jolly geyser]

[tough salmon]

I dunno mop remix was kinda ass

[tulip quarry]

Tsukalos is THE GOAT !

[proven ocean]

ye i didnt play it much either

but

[tough salmon]

Im not sure if legion will be better

[proven ocean]

legion has m+

so

[jolly geyser]

lower kara pain

[tough salmon]

Lower kara goes hard wtf

[civic zephyr]

ok so this is a bad weakaura, might as well put it in the FAQ

[tough salmon]

I'll check it out for sure, but unsure if i commit further than just transmogs and enchants

[simple gull]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[keen belfry]

Liquid has same thing, used to jsut move each boss weak auras around together. But the dungeon pack is kinda cooked without it and cooked with it

[copper radish]

hows buffs and alpha lookin boys

[vivid vessel]

ye

i finished tho

will try in keys

[rotund zodiac]

what % to roll 5 buffs with SoH?

I get 5 buffs every now and then

feels good

[wide flare]

6% i think

[keen belfry]

I’ve learned I barely look at anything in dungeon packs. Only voice stuff, and circle textures

[vivid vessel]

ye

I look at the texts also in the middle

but mostly ye

the sounds

and the circles

but i have most deactivated so

like the normal icons are not here

only the big ones

[keen belfry]

Texts good too I had to make some text ones that basically tell me intermission is coming in like 18 seconds

[vivid vessel]

that i made circles anywya

ye

[faint wagon]

Question: Do you care for the minmaxing of the Diamond soccet?

[dawn talon]

i look at timers a lot

[gaunt phoenix]

it should be slightly better unless you are missing haste and need 6 haste gems

[faint wagon]

Thats what I sadly do.. dang

[gaunt phoenix]

meh it's like < 0.5% dps

[faint wagon]

it's w/e then, thx!

[keen belfry]

I only do in raid

[red zinc]

Same except a few bosses

[keen belfry]

Law doesn’t require defensive planning so I never look

[hardy thicket]

Sounds have fucked me tbh I cant play at all without sounds now lol

[red zinc]

i be lookin at timers on 2nd boss psf and last boss gambit

For orb explode time

[dawn talon]

i do it anyway on outlaw so i dont get out of the habit and die on my mage or my druid

[keen belfry]

Wanna know what’s OP using your barrier as a defensive not just pressing it

As mage

[dawn talon]

yeah pb is like one of the best defensives in the game lol

[gaunt phoenix]

poison bomb

[keen belfry]

So many ppl just press it to ff cd

[dawn talon]

hmmm let me waste this on random fuckass rot damage

and die for no reason

[stiff vector]

bro wtf has been wrong with blizz servers this week getting world lag rn and its like the 3rd time this week

legit just watched my character do nothing for 1 min as I was attacking...looked at my world MS and its 800 l0l

[stiff glade]

The math is not mathing

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah the wa is slightly buggy. every now and then a roll will get eaten

probably has 0 effect on the overall sample

[mighty pivot]

it's not eaten, it just ignores any rolls that aren't (1)/2/5 and prints a message when that happens. I think tobfon also has some % off

I think the assumption was that is happens if you 5 roll after 6 buff KIR

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

I thought I saw it ignore a roll after a 5 buff > kir > roll the same 5 buff again but a bit hard to replicate

[mighty pivot]

I have sometimes seen 6 buffs have the same timer after a 6 buff KIR but that could be a coincidence based on when I pressed RtB after KIR

[gaunt phoenix]

yep i've seen 4 buffs with the same timer, who knows

[mighty pivot]

and we already know that RtB doesn't work as intended so

but yeah it happens so rarely that it doesn't matter for sampling

[stiff vector]

who knows whats even intended and whats bugged anymore

[gaunt phoenix]

[mighty pivot]

likely not even blizzard knows anymore

[stiff vector]

well if theres one entity we know FOR SURE doesnt know

its blizzard

[mighty pivot]

rtb should be simplified anyway, if they don't do that for midnight they are trolling

[tribal oasis]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[gaunt phoenix]

7100 rolls lol damn

im at like 1200 / 1500

[stiff vector]

I should prob grab the WA for science purposes

some1 link me

pls

[gaunt phoenix]

https://wago.io/I9nB9GUcJ

[vivid vessel]

if you kir a 5 buff at 30s, it becomes 60s, then by the time it reach 39s you have 9s of pandemic left, so if you roll between 30 and 39 you will have the exact same duration of buffs between the kir and the non kir

[gaunt phoenix]

you're right

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

i never thought about this

[vivid vessel]

do you guys eat bread

[gaunt phoenix]

and we've had kir for like 4 years

[vivid vessel]

like real bread

[gaunt phoenix]

uhhhhhh

[fallow hinge]

mum got a bread maker recently so yes

[vivid vessel]

nice

[gaunt phoenix]

define real bread

[vivid vessel]

like

[gaunt phoenix]

fresh from the bread tree

right?

[stiff vector]

chillin here with outlaw rogue public enemy #1 hoping he finally gives me the bracer transmog this week

[gusty dew]

No

[stiff vector]

I need the drop

drip

[gaunt phoenix]

bracer transmog

can you even see it?

[stiff vector]

ye you dont know about the drip?

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont

[gusty dew]

Nice feet

[stiff vector]

that matches the boots im wearing

the bracers look more like gloves

[vivid vessel]

like if i type bread on google right

[stiff vector]

it looks like the boots im wearing

[vivid vessel]

only like 3/4 are actual bread

the rest is american bread

(not real bread)

[fallow hinge]

I mean, loaves aren't necessarily american

[gaunt phoenix]

what about these

[gusty dew]

Whatt

[fallow hinge]

we got some homemade brioche downstairs :3

[vivid vessel]

these looks like the soft ones

so prolly not real ye

[gaunt phoenix]

hm

[frail veldt]

they just put the bread in a tin instead of baking with no support

thats just a type of bread bro

[vivid vessel]

nope

[gusty dew]

I get it then

[gaunt phoenix]

real bread is cronchy?

[frail veldt]

literally you could take the bread you like

and put it in a tin

and it would taste almost identical

but be a different shape

[vivid vessel]

in france these typoe of things we call pain de mie

and its defniitly not the same as real bread

[gusty dew]

if you could cast sinister strike while holding it, then it's a real bread

[vivid vessel]

ye thats a decent one actuallyt

[frail veldt]

well thats also a different type of bread its for sandwiches

[lethal oak]

Is the French diet 94% bread?

[frail veldt]

the other bread would be shit for sandwiches

itd fall apart

[vivid vessel]

this guy is right imo

[gaunt phoenix]

i see

[vivid vessel]

well round bread also counts

but like

[gaunt phoenix]

real bread can be used as a weapon

[vivid vessel]

ye

or a shield

[stiff vector]

https://www.wowhead.com/item=237562/time-compressed-wristguards#dropped-by this what they look like btw solo, heroic make your hands glow red, normal is blue, myth is purple and LFR is green

[vivid vessel]

whats that

[gaunt phoenix]

that is neat

[vivid vessel]

mewo you american?

[gusty dew]

Man this is cool

[frail veldt]

ye

[vivid vessel]

ye

I could tell

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[frail veldt]

I could tell youre french

[vivid vessel]

the way you have shit takes about bread

[gusty dew]

you mean the whole shiny thing ？

[frail veldt]

lol

how you think an opinion is objectively correct

[vivid vessel]

im french

[frail veldt]

I know

its obvious rofl

[vivid vessel]

ye

no but thats my answer tho

[stiff vector]

italian bread is best bread no cap fr

[frail veldt]

yeah tbh french bread is mid af

[stiff vector]

(im totally not biased as an italian saying this)

[mighty pivot]

if the bread falls apart for a sandwich, it's a shit bread

[frail veldt]

they havent figured out how to use bread in any other way than just ripping a piece off and eating it with cheese

[vivid vessel]

stfu

[frail veldt]

still eating bread like a caveman

its 2025

[trim vigil]

wtf

[vivid vessel]

you are actually so clueless mewo

typical american

[frail veldt]

you ever left france? lol

[vivid vessel]

talking shit about my bread

[frail veldt]

I been there

its mid af

[vivid vessel]

no

you had shit bread

[gusty dew]

[frail veldt]

the swiss make better bread even

germans make shit bread though

[vivid vessel]

reserved for american tourist

[fallow hinge]

can we all at least agree garlic bread is peak

[vivid vessel]

mewo

stop insulting my bread

[trim vigil]

I'm not sure about that, and I'm Swiss

[mighty pivot]

it's ok zac the only bread americans know are hamburger buns 🕉️

[vivid vessel]

when you are clueless about bread

you noob

[frail veldt]

you gotta eat more bread bro

honestly though

I prefer middle eastern style bread a lot of the time

or naan

kinda just shits on a boring loaf

from france

[gusty dew]

Middle East bread is good

[frail veldt]

you can only eat a baguette so many times

[mighty pivot]

wrong

[gusty dew]

Btw viet nam has some decent breads

But the country is

[vivid vessel]

you never entered a boulangerie in your life you clueless american fake bread eater

[gusty dew]

idk man

[mighty pivot]

flat breads are nice though

but it depends on what you are eating

[frail veldt]

ive been there dog

[vivid vessel]

telling you

[nocturne folio]

does france bread even make top 3 in EU? french bred fell off

[vivid vessel]

was for tourist

so they dont get scared

[frail veldt]

gotta go travel the world

[stiff vector]

if you had to choose between a french bakery, and an italian bakery...lets be real, youre going to the italian bakery (FR)

[frail veldt]

I was with locals

zac have you left france?

[vivid vessel]

stop talking to me mewo

[frail veldt]

what other breads have you tried

[vivid vessel]

and ye

i went to germany

italy

and swiss

but i dont care about traveling

so

traveling is for losers

[frail veldt]

LOL

thats a wild take

[vivid vessel]

I prefer playing wow

[shell fossil]

some spanish countires got these mini empanadas where you bite the top and pour some salsa verde in

[frail veldt]

travelling is fun

[stiff vector]

both a based, and weird take at once

[dawn talon]

'travel destinations' suck

like i wouldnt go to naples or one of those overcrowded tourist trap islands

but man taking the ferry into china and just going random places with my brother as a kid was an insane experience

[stiff vector]

I love pugging heroic dimmy and getting knocked into him by the tank that is standing on the group 20 seconds after going into p3

WA confirmed gives +rng?

[tulip quarry]

Bread is a cultural thing there XD

[drowsy ridge]

I just want a nice NYC bagel, that's my preferred bread

[stiff vector]

I eat NY bagels like every week

goatd bagels in the world, no1 else even close

[mighty pivot]

do you pronounce it bagel, or bagel?

[stiff vector]

Bagel

[frail veldt]

Fucking love a good bagel

Fresh in the morning

I prefer sesame

[keen belfry]

they should rework dimenisus you to dementiasus and every pull is a brand new fight simulating you forgot the boss mechanics

thoughts?

https://tenor.com/view/sunnyfication-gif-20299408

[stiff vector]

i mean...its an upgrade for outlaw on the fight

I wouldnt say no tbh

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm in Tanzania rn, it's pretty cool if you're into animals.

[stiff vector]

bro idk wtf is wrong with my character in the last week but it legit just feels cursed or something. Shit rolls more often than not, long streaks of just insanely bad ace rng in vanish windows despite max cp BtEs+rolling often so ace rate should be higher on them. Have never just dropped ADR purely from ace+buff rng so often in my life

[buoyant cosmos]

Playing hunter is catching up to you

[stiff vector]

Its actually crazy man, as if the spec doesnt suck enough...im rolling before stealth windows and going like 2 straight vanish windows with 0 ace procs..like how is that even possible

[buoyant cosmos]

I've had hours like that, and it has me questioning everything. Never a few days though. I'd probably just take a break lol

Have you tried different music?

[stiff vector]

no JPC full focus playlist only tihng I listen to on outlaw

[buoyant cosmos]

Locked

In

[stiff vector]

I just wanted to pug some io b4 sending hunter keys later man, but holy shit it is just miserable to play this spec at times

[tender wedge]

Buffing BM was quite the head scratcher

[buoyant cosmos]

I'm not looking forward to coming back from a two week break and trying to get into keys again like you had to

Kinda hoped we'd get a buff by this reset

[stiff vector]

its crazy how much more ST I do on my hunter and how much faster it makes the key

[frail veldt]

Ye ofc the best traveling is visiting people you know who live there

Then you get to actually see what life is like there

[buoyant cosmos]

My fotm friend hit like 6.7m St in keys greeding his prism stacks for a big lust

[random stirrup]

ive ended bosses at like 5.6M as my rat arcane

st is very balanced

[stiff vector]

I did 6.4m pure ST on 2nd boss of priory last night with no lust, and just warr+druid buff @ only 712 ilvl lol

like...its literally 2x the dmg of outlaw on that boss if youre getting average rng

most ive done on that boss on outlaw with warr+monk buff is like 4.1m

[buoyant cosmos]

They needed the buff tho

The devs wanted to play phys comp but not play rogue, so here we are lol

[stiff vector]

like hunter is doing this much dmg...and then hunter players wonder why we say they sandbag. Even if you take the buff the spec/hero tree got out of the equation(13%ish ST buff), that 6.4m I did with no lust is still like...5.5m

youre really telling me a spec doing that ST dmg needed a huge buff lmao?

[copper radish]

any of yall just run fate ST build in a key for the fk of it

[shell fossil]

no but i've stopped inviting hunters

:y

[buoyant cosmos]

I run out as soon as I don't get combo points from blade flurry

[buoyant cosmos]

The average hunter player is the person they wanted to buff

[frail veldt]

its not fun to play in keys imo

its awk to manage your vanishes around mechanics

since theyre so tied to adr/gs cd

[copper radish]

i just played Nessa's HO key build and its pretty good ngl

[frail veldt]

HO plays very fluid yeah

but it does beans dps

on an already beans spec

[copper radish]

feels great with 20% haste lol

[frail veldt]

til you look at the meters

[copper radish]

idk just topped a 10 eco over a DH

6milly not too bad lol

[vivid vessel]

6mil overall ?

[frail veldt]

zac hold your french

[vivid vessel]

sorry

[frail veldt]

daddy chill

[gaunt phoenix]

I play ho a bit when i feel like changing it up

[copper radish]

carrying a 685 hunter lmao

its pretty nice even with dropping ghostly

[red zinc]

with affix?

[chilly atlas]

6 mil is tank damage

[livid pewter]

there are a few trash mobs where cudgel is nonsen no? since u dont drop combat with vanish, which makes is not proc again

[gaunt phoenix]

Yeah

[cinder haven]

I don’t use cudgel

[hasty warren]

when buff

[cinder haven]

Yeah i kinda gave up on that too

Gonna gear havoc

[hasty warren]

can we pray for Guy doing wowhead post like last time

seems to work

[cinder haven]

And then when I’m done gearing blizz will buff outlaw out of spite

[hasty warren]

[cinder haven]

Or not, but I win either way

[hasty warren]

It's either u win or we lose

[cinder haven]

Wonder if they’ll fix assa bugs at all in tww

[copper radish]

DH fun as hell

[hasty warren]

ahah blizz fixing buggs

ahah

good one

[cinder haven]

It happens

Especially beneficial bugs

[hasty warren]

what I have to do getting in 15s

[indigo token]

i am filled with so much rage rn

is it even fucking possible to time a 13

[cinder haven]

Push your own key

[indigo token]

i swear

there needs to be serious readjustments to how group finder works

its difficult to understate how sisyphian the process of pushing keys is when you're a shitty spec

[tender wedge]

solo queue inc

[indigo token]

idk

like solo queue sounds nice

then you see that one of the suggestions is

"make your first key of the week reslient"

like

[tender wedge]

bad luck protection i guess

[keen belfry]

i wonder what they would have to do to make soloQ work for m+

[dawn talon]

i just don't think it would

lol

[keen belfry]

it would with changes

idk what they are

[tender wedge]

i think it just has to be positioned as an option rather than a "fix"

[dawn talon]

okay, so instead, you queue into a key

you are on a shit spec

and your tank afks

bc they don't want to play with you

lol?

[keen belfry]

it would just require a complete revamp of io, m+ etc

[tender wedge]

yeah thats my main concern too

[keen belfry]

idk how it would work but i would be curious

[tender wedge]

you'd need to find a way to stop tanks being terrorists and doing stuff like that

[dawn talon]

ima be honest

just play something else at that point

[keen belfry]

cooked take

no cap

[dawn talon]

idk im not one for like giant generalised sweeping changes

[keen belfry]

another cooked take

[dawn talon]

if i disliked something to the point i thought it needed to be changed like that, i wouldn't play it

[keen belfry]

well, thats what a lot of people do owaslb

they simply dont play it

!cooked

i think people like something enough but still want major changes

outlaw rogue?

[dawn talon]

there's a difference between big changes to a spec and big changes to a core system of the game

[keen belfry]

well

yes

obviously?

my point still stands haha

there are plenty of things wrong with things that are very good

[normal forge]

where are the outlaw class tunning for next patch?

[keen belfry]

i dont think mos tpeople would say m+ LFG system is that good, but we still love m+

[dawn talon]

and i don't think lfg is one of them, or at least, i do not care nearly enough about it to want to change how keys or classes work to facilitate soloq not being the most dogshit thing ever

and, quite frankly, wow is already enough of a menu game with lfg, if it got ffxiv levels of menu game i would just stop playing

[keen belfry]

im confused with all of your points

so, why would overhaul LFG be bad? because its a big change and you dont want a big change for something you dont "care nearly enough" about?

[dawn talon]

because you can't just implement a soloq system and leave class & dungeon design the way they are, you would have to completely change group dynamics to make it not be the actual worst shit ever to play

[red zinc]

people would be forced to play with palou

[keen belfry]

thats why i started the conversation with "i wonder what they would have to do to make soloQ work for m+"

[dawn talon]

enormous changes to the entire game that make me question why you wouldn't just... play a different game

[fathom bramble]

even just the queuetime issue that would arise seems almost unfixable

[dawn talon]

or even things that sound completely unrealistic

[red zinc]

im sorry call me toxic but

[fathom bramble]

it's not like you can force flex queues and make people fill in M+ like other games do

[keen belfry]

because i want to play mythic+? im so confused by your takes rn

[red zinc]

id rather sit here and watch netflix on second screen than be forced to play with certain bozos in m+ queue

[keen belfry]

is popo on oswalbs computer

[dawn talon]

but do you want to play a completely unrecognisable version of mythic+ that has almost nothing in common with the game as it currently is

and wait just as long in a queue only to have no control over the comp you play with

[keen belfry]

are you saying the only way we get lfg queue is we completely revamp what wow is?

i disagree with that

there has to be a middle ground

[dawn talon]

i think an lfg auto-apply system could work just fine

[red zinc]

they're just gonna experiment first with key queueing incentives (as seen from that poll)

[dawn talon]

but an actual queue system just

is incompatible with how the game is designed

[keen belfry]

currently, i cant play the game at the key level i need for io. there are no keys listed, and no applicants when listing keys. there has to be something that can be done, the whole point of this convo was the see what it could be potentially

[red zinc]

idk man if they just made tanking easier and gave incentives for listing your own key

[keen belfry]

i dont think its completely changing wow

[red zinc]

we'd already be a long way there

[keen belfry]

yes stuff like this

[red zinc]

like for m+

no reason for tanking to be as difficult as it is rn (mainly for newer players)

[keen belfry]

i think they can improve m+ without revamping world of warcraft lol

[dawn talon]

well aren't you like, 3580? who wants to play the game with turboboost coming up making all these keys mickey mouse as fuck?

[dawn talon]

i don't think tanking is hard at all currently

[keen belfry]

people who want to play m+

[dawn talon]

i do think the game needs some kind of native mdt thing though

[red zinc]

the classic "content isnt relevant later on so why play"

why play this raid when you get better gear next expansion?

[keen belfry]

there are plenmty of people who just like to do hard content lol

[red zinc]

because its fun?

headass

[keen belfry]

yeah

its the most cooked take ever i see it all the time

my bad for wanting to do hard content

[dawn talon]

the fun part of pushing is seeing what i am capable of doing with my class

that means nothing to me when i am going to log in and get injected with supersoldier serum in 3 weeks

to do the same keys for the same rewards

[keen belfry]

it means something to others though man

[red zinc]

yeah ur just cooked

gl with that

[keen belfry]

you are cooked rn popoJR

[stiff vector]

bruh really calling turbo boost "super soldier serum" lmao

[dawn talon]

i just don't know many of those people though?

[stiff vector]

better see you timing all keys on 20 by the end of first week of turbo boost

[vivid vessel]

turbo boost is turbo dogshit tho

im ngl

[fathom bramble]

it is still a reason why the queue may be deader though

[stiff vector]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[fathom bramble]

even though a lot of players actually play for fun, there are those that play just to push the number

and any number pushing is massively undermined by turboboost

[vivid vessel]

it just invalidate all the pushing you do

[stiff vector]

at least its earlier this season

[keen belfry]

i mean bro, the perma r1 playere are doing r1 keys rn despire your super soldier serum injection coming

people just looking doing hard content

and they do it

[dawn talon]

bc there's still an incentive to do world first level content, which is being the first to do it

why do it when im just a midwit dude

[keen belfry]

are you not reading the reason we have given you 5 times nopw

its fun

people enjoy it

[dawn talon]

im saying that many people, myself included, do not have fun doing things with no incentive to do them

[stiff vector]

idk why I would just not do keys until turbo boost, seems hella silly

[keen belfry]

idk oswalb is being so cooked rn

league brain

[vivid vessel]

i wonder why turbo boost isnt on from day one

after all

[dawn talon]

i mean im still doing some keys but im not playing nearly as much as i normally do at the start of the season

[vivid vessel]

if the gilded is still capped anywya

it doesnt change anything no

[keen belfry]

wow still is a product, and making people play your product months into a season where they normalyl dont is why

[fathom bramble]

doesn't turbo boost uncap gilded?

it did last time

[vivid vessel]

ye but they didnt mention that in the article this time

[fathom bramble]

weird

[keen belfry]

i hope they dont uncap dayu one

[vivid vessel]

im just saying since they dont seem to be uncapping gilded

it doesnt change shit

[stiff vector]

I mean once I get another like 75+ io on my rogue, yeah I might stop really pushing on him until turbo boost because it just gets too hard to get invited and time 18s with how shit outlaw is rn but if my friends want to do keys im obv still goign to do them

[keen belfry]

was actually so cooked doing 1000 12s

[vivid vessel]

if its day 1

or 5 weeks later

[dawn talon]

but when im doing keys with my friends im not in lfg

im hanging with the brros

[stiff vector]

I do both

[dawn talon]

im talking specifically about finding keys in lfg

[keen belfry]

ye i know people in lfg and they know me, and we've had success doing keys but we are getting to the point in LFG key levels with the whole "why would i invite this outlaw over a havoc" etc

its funny

[stiff vector]

ye it sucks

I mean even 17s, I just dont even bother applying to if theyre clearly not running phys comp...kinda just waste of time

[bleak dock]

What are the best emblesishments are crafts for OL atm? I'm gearing and just gonna be doing keys, raiding for fun.

[stiff vector]

outlaws dmg in those keys without raid buffs is turbo dogshit

id be griefing anyone dumb enough to inv me

[keen belfry]

dont do keys trench its not turboboost yet

[glass mortar]

vers or crit threads or elemental gem proc thingy

doesnt rlly matter, u can sim it

[bleak dock]

what

[keen belfry]

mhm

[stiff vector]

you are not allowed to push io until turbo boost buddy

[bleak dock]

oh turboboost

[vivid vessel]

brooooo

[stiff vector]

blizzard will ban you

[bleak dock]

no no no

[vivid vessel]

I wanna play wow so bad

!!!

[stiff vector]

[quaint mauve]

why would it not be though. otherwise you waste cdr and ubs technically

[bleak dock]

somsone halp

[hasty warren]

no one want to play with me 🙁

[quaint mauve]

if you post a 15

i promise you

you will have 50 applicants within the minute

[keen belfry]

i might do an assa key rn

[hasty warren]

ngl half player in 15s are trash

[glass mortar]

i remember zac complaining about this exact thing and how it made pushing keys early feel like a waste of time even if he still did it last season

it probably contributes to some number of players burnout from high keys

most of those people r so addicted they will keep playing anyway tho

so i dont think it really matters

[keen belfry]

by definition is it waste of time and is this io fake? sure but idc i have fun doin git

[quaint mauve]

ima just do dh keys today

i can’t sit through ak hell all day

[keen belfry]

should i gear my dh rn

awangromp

[dawn talon]

like ive just been gearing alts this week

[keen belfry]

i just geared my feral

so fun learning a new spec

[dawn talon]

like i think part of the problem is self fulfilling

i log in and there's no 17s/18s in lfg

and i bricked my key so i have a 16 in my bags

so i just log out and go do 12s on an alt

lol

[keen belfry]

i mean i listed by 18 hoa last night and i think there was 1 tank in que in like, 15 minutes?

[dawn talon]

as a tank especially the keys feel so much easier with more gear

i haven't logged into my pala since i got resil 12s on it

lol

[indigo token]

HOLY FUCK

[keen belfry]

lfg cuh

[stuck sparrow]

damn lost to the ret

[acoustic pivot]

So this is a weird question. I’ve started to see a lot of rogues in higher keys play HO and seemingly doing well

I didn’t think HO was super viable vs kir

[spare dome]

a lot?

[ripe ibex]

only one

[acoustic pivot]

I mean I guess by high keys I mean like 15-17 range

So maybe not high

But still it seems to be doing good

[ripe ibex]

play what you enjoy ofc but it’s a lot less consistent and overall much worse damage

[acoustic pivot]

I mean I play kir and do maybe 9m overall and struggle on the first pulls usually. I healed a couple of keys he did like 12ish overall over several keys. So I was wondering if it was viable. Was gonna try it to see

[hardy thicket]

Its a comfort pick really nothing more to it

[acoustic pivot]

Interesting. For me atleast it sims significantly lower but I suppose I can try it and see

[hardy thicket]

Its because its worse

No magic here

They are literally playing a worse setup because they are more comfortable playing it

[fluid meadow]

i would suggest ho to some players instead of kir, like they timed 16-17 keys with 65% adr uptimes and -2 mill dps legit just inting and should pay for the keys.

[hardy thicket]

[ripe ibex]

if you have 65% adr uptime i don’t think ho is gonna save you

[keen belfry]

65% goes hard

[hardy thicket]

To each their own man but I personally think playing something worse just because you are better at it is just not gonna get you anywhere long term

But do what you enjoy

[ripe ibex]

holding on to old habits

[acoustic pivot]

Yea. Was just curious I guess. Not a fan of HOnthats why I asked

[fluid meadow]

some uptimes from a rog who timed 16 keys, im so frustrated to see this

[acoustic pivot]

I mean I can’t time a 16 floodgate it’s the last one I need for resil. My dps feels so low compared to others so

[keen belfry]

name and shame

[acoustic pivot]

The pulls are just giga big

[hardy thicket]

Just goes to show that the threshhold for bad play is higher

[stuck sparrow]

io isnt an indicator of skill

[hardy thicket]

And that

[stuck sparrow]

im gonna be honest atp

if a tank tells me he wants to “try a pull” that a streamer did pre key start

im either leaving the key or kicking the guy

[hardy thicket]

Fair play

[stuck sparrow]

so many dumb as bricks tanks

[unreal drum]

There's more then just rotational skill tbf

[stuck sparrow]

who do something that yoda did

[hardy thicket]

Tbh most rippes keys at "semi" high level ive had is tanks doing shit they dont have to do but name any streamer tank did it in their WF +23 something key so now it has to be done

[acoustic pivot]

But yoda did it!

[fluid meadow]

luckily i have a tank friend to play duo, and he knows how to pull while playing with me, and he goes wrumwrum

pug tanks are mostly just target dummies who got tricks to hold mobs and gg

[hardy thicket]

Theres an argument for when you have to do those pulls and i'd see a valid point to practice them if you are at a level where eventually you have to do them to time the key. But thats a very minor select few of the player base

[fallen mural]

For all we know it could be a new player to outlaw!? No need to get frustrated, I think with the basic understanding of a key, 16’s are doable even with crap dps.

It could be me 😛

[ocean lodge]

So hypothetically

Wouldn't fatebound outlaw be the most mobile dps in legion remix lol

[fallen mural]

Hmmm depends Dh can jump through the world/map.

🤣

[ocean lodge]

Besides that speedrun shit

Lol

[glass mortar]

fatebounds super mobile in fights and for burst mobility but u need to be generating cdr for our mobility to be really op

[fallen mural]

Oh fate bound didn’t exist in legion?

[glass mortar]

it doesnt feel that much more mobile then trickster if ur just doing random open world stuff

u dont have enough cdr to keep grappling

[ocean lodge]

I was thinking m+ solo nonsense

[glass mortar]

it has a rather long baseline cd, especially for fatebound

yea it would probably be alright for that but

its kinda weird idk

if ur actively fighting stuff you get so much cdr for grapple u kinda have infinite as trickster or fatebound

fatebound really only has a mega advantage when u need to do a ton of grappling all at once

thats been my experience anyway

[ocean lodge]

Hmm

[random stirrup]

havoc is like 300% movespeed

nonstop

[ocean lodge]

Against my better judgement I do want to go rogue over a tank class

[glass mortar]

i think nothing compares to dh if u want simple solo play in remix

[ocean lodge]

Oh yeah their mast gives speed

[glass mortar]

the ability to infinitly stack mastery

[ocean lodge]

I hate havoc ngl

[glass mortar]

and the fact that mastery is a favored stat in remix

[ocean lodge]

I'd play it if the new spec was in

[glass mortar]

and the fact that our mastery is dumpster

both would be good

[fallen mural]

Maybe with cdr we can have 100% uptime on evasion… then you’ll be going for a world first key and BOOM, no ace procs, rolling two dice every time and die.

[ocean lodge]

Vanish would be weird for sure

Unless the demon pet draws aggro

[glass mortar]

yea vanish kinda sucks for solo content with stuff that doesnt die fast

u can play around it its just frustrating

[fallen mural]

“Game does recognize rogues user name doesn’t contain Tom or Elvis. -80% chance to roll more then 2” jk

[ocean lodge]

Zac casually 6 rolling the entire dungeon

[fallen mural]

Vanish would work like kyvesza resetting your whole instance pull

And you’d be standing beside the last boss and have to do the instance backwards hahaha

[ocean lodge]

999% mast assa sounds really funny. Shit mobility though

[fallen mural]

I get excited when I roll 3. Then I watch his stream though last night I don’t know what I was doing I managed to roll amazing in back to back priory’s and hoping today I can do the same. Couldn’t time it though, we were having tank issues by the end of the:(

[tender wedge]

i always marvel at watching zac and how often he's got 5/6 buffs

make your own luck i guess

[fallen mural]

The part I enjoy the most is his unseen blade usage. That’s where you see rogues like him and wox really pull the stops out 🤩

[red zinc]

this aint possible though

not that you wont get alot but

[glass mortar]

sure but ur mastery goes way higher then ur other stats

[red zinc]

its capped at like 12% one stat 12% other stat per piece

and an infinite vers node

on the weapon

(999 ranks not fully infinite)

[glass mortar]

ive been told its the same as last remix where u get more mastery from gear if u choose mastery pieces then u get any other secondary

because for some reason they favor it

like just more raw stats

[red zinc]

I mean its 12 mastery "points" probably yeah

[glass mortar]

no its more then 12

in last remix if a piece had 1k crit and 1k haste

it would have had 1k crit and 1.5k mastery

any piece that had mastery had inflated secondaries

thats what i mean

[red zinc]

nothing like that now

its just mastery "points" which will probably look like more % on your character sheet

[glass mortar]

maybe they changed it then

hopefully

it was very silly last remix it made any class that didnt like mastery substantially weaker then mastery ones

even tho everyone got op obviously

[red zinc]

outlaw has the worst utilization of everything pretty much

[glass mortar]

yea

[red zinc]

extra ability gives cdr which is turbo devalued

haste doesnt do much

[fallen mural]

Guys i have spotted one of the most rare things in world of warcraft

[red zinc]

so yeah

[fallen mural]

He finally was going down to one dice.

[frail veldt]

What's the context here?

[keen belfry]

he sees tomelvis with bad rolls

[frail veldt]

Aaaaaah

[vivid vessel]

https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/clip/FuriousElatedSeahorseGOWSkull-xWDrrvNyYcP0if2R guys

do you guys also perma fall off stairs

im a big stairs slipper

[frail veldt]

So annoying

[keen belfry]

i dont care

[red zinc]

sprinting on ledges sends you into the abyss

[frail veldt]

I need a cancel sprint macro

[fallen mural]

haha that reaction was fast

[lethal oak]

Play assa so we get a buff Zac

[fallen mural]

See what you guys missed was zac had no dice up for about 1.2 seconds there. That's what i caught

LOL

[tender wedge]

i used to fall off on last boss of rookery all the time becasue of that stupid ledge launching me like a rocket

[mighty pivot]

you should be gigadead there you are lucky the mines were taking a nap

[vivid vessel]

mad cause outskilled

[mighty pivot]

you got outskilled by some stairs first 🕉️

[vivid vessel]

🕉️

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

ross

[red zinc]

incredible

[craggy barn]

araz is dead, time to play outlaw on fraccy

[wintry solar]

I wonder if RPers are happy with the game

A lot of people are worried about abusing bugs in their spec while we min/max them and I think that's neat.

[mighty pivot]

I prefer the moonkin version

[wintry solar]

I dont

[keen belfry]

its time

[copper radish]

enjoy. fun asf to play

[granite merlin]

Man do I wish fatebound was better in m+ it feels 1000x better to play :0

[keen belfry]

thos vanish conditions arent really made for m+ imo

[frail veldt]

Yeah tbh fatebound doesn't play great in m+ imo

Feels awkward

Well it's fine if you ignore the coin optimizations

[granite merlin]

I’m just struggling with double coup

It’s jarring too my brain lol

[keen belfry]

whats confusing you

it is a very unintuitve thing and poorly designed thing esp with our tier

[red zinc]

Lowkey

[granite merlin]

Might sound dumb and I’m new to outlaw bear with me lol. It feels like I am not using bte enough becaue I am trying to fit in the double coup and when I play fatebound in raids I have no problem with ad rush and with vanish windows and keeping bte on cooldown

[red zinc]

People were calling dh immortal but hunter almost feels tankier

so many big hits this season

was just getting bonked on dh shit got no deffies

[granite merlin]

When coup procs suddenly turn am trying too figure out how to get combos without using SS and it explodes the flow

[keen belfry]

5they are rot gods but yeah they dont have a billion defensives

[granite merlin]

Like I feel like it’s hurting me learning the rotation for some reason hahaha

[torpid fiber]

We don't really care about keeping BtE on cooldown, just about keeping the BtE buff up.
Afaik it's basically dps neutral (maybe a slight gain to bte) to press bte vs dispatch when not in stealth

I have my UI set up to scream at me if I ever drop BTE buff, but it doesn't have any glows or anything for when BTE is off cd

[granite merlin]

That actually makes me feel a bit better

And worse cause that was my excuse for dropping ad rush a lot lol

[torpid fiber]

it's still worth trying to remember to use BTE whenever you can, but afaik as long as you keep the buff up it's mostly fine

[vivid vessel]

no

[torpid fiber]

Damn

[vivid vessel]

its the opposite

you wanna bte on cd

[torpid fiber]

Yeyeye

But my understanding was it's a smaller gain not a huge one

[vivid vessel]

its bad to just refresh the buff

[torpid fiber]

It's like 1% not 5% right? Or am I stupid

ye

[vivid vessel]

the actual minmax that exist will be to only refresh during rp but thats irrelevant

you wanna bte on cd

[torpid fiber]

I do try to use it on CD but also sometimes my brain breaks

I guess hmm I could just two colour glow it

yeah that'd work

[frail veldt]

Just press it on CD

Why's it need to glow

You don't need to put it on CD before vanishing though

It's p much whenever you would dispatch if you could bte then do that instead

[torpid fiber]

I don't have braincells

Gotta understand I'm dumb as fuck

[wintry solar]

Nah, just need a reminder.

[frail veldt]

Lolol

[glass mortar]

i dont care about minmaxes i just wanna shoot my gun

thats why i bte on cd

[wintry solar]

[frank bane]

based AF

[glass mortar]

👌

its my american racial passive

[quaint mauve]

what do you own if u don’t mind me asking

https://tenor.com/view/fluttershy-fluttershy-fisheye-mlp-fluttershy-gif-10624513448260273395

[wintry solar]

If you're a real American it wouldn't be registered

[quaint mauve]

i just completed my FSC but i still need to wait till im 21 here

[frank bane]

Many of boom sticks

[glass mortar]

i dont own a gun irl the hobbys a bit expensive for my taste

ive shot at ranges with friends before tho its fun

id probably get one if i had the budget

[quaint mauve]

i used to go elk hunting with my grandpa in colorado when i was 14

and that’s what i wanna do still

[wintry solar]

Idk what your budget is but Canik has really good stuff at an affordable price.

[quaint mauve]

personally

[wintry solar]

Sub $800

[frank bane]

Real talk, Elk is so good

[quaint mauve]

i love it

im moving to colorado soon as im done with school

[frank bane]

Poggers

[quaint mauve]

or actually hopefully i get stationed in colorado

[wintry solar]

I got a friend who's learning to fly a helicopter over in Texas, we're gonna stick his grandaddys browning on it and go wipe out hogs.

[quaint mauve]

hog hunting seems scary haha

[red zinc]

man this is too american even for me

Lucky its 3am in EU

[wintry solar]

They don't think youre scary at all

[glass mortar]

EUs asleep get gunposting 😎

[vivid vessel]

NOT TRUE

[quaint mauve]

yeah those things will charge at you with no fear

[glass mortar]

[wintry solar]

[quaint mauve]

i have friends who go to spain to hunt

[red zinc]

why does KS ability icon look so AI

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

I guess everything looks AI nowadays but

Idk something about it

[wintry solar]

Too smooth relative to the other icons imo

[red zinc]

Can we get KS glorp

Any artists

Glorp with a gun

[wintry solar]

My dream is to own an M134 Minigun

[quaint mauve]

glorplaw

[wintry solar]

And put that bad boy on his helicopter

[red zinc]

Ill cook it tomorrow

[quaint mauve]

bro baby loomy is so cute

[red zinc]

loomithar fight kinda fucked up

enslaved silk generator that is used to make ethereal bandages

and we just go in and kill it?

[quaint mauve]

yeah lowkey

why can’t we just free bro

and then we steal his kids bc they’re bis????

really makes you think…

there’s no good guys in war….

[red zinc]

Wow players would cluster bomb the next seventeen world trees if it meant getting that +0.3% bis trinkie

[wintry solar]

I'd do it for free tbh

Damn tree hugging hippie nelves

[quaint mauve]

i’d commit terrible humanitarian crimes

for an upgrade rn

[wintry solar]

Prove it

[jolly totem]

im so confused, i feel like im missing something for my rotation? sims say i should be doing way more dps than im actually doing

[quaint mauve]

send a log

[jolly totem]

let me set it up

can i log a training dummy?

[quaint mauve]

don’t think so

just log whatever content you do next and send it here

only real way to see exactly what you might be doing wrong

one question though are you using ambush

[jolly totem]

i am not

[bright crane]

Do u have a good mog?

A good mog is a flat 5% dps increase

[fallen mural]

do you guys know with the circles from the shards of halkias can we cloak them?

[covert kestrel]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[fallen mural]

ty

[frail veldt]

nope

oh wait

according to spreadsheet I am wrong

[fallen mural]

The chart says we can

[frail veldt]

ah yeah I mixed those up

trash is physical damage

[cinder oxide]

i just got my pants ripped off in priory spanked raw

[fallen mural]

A good spanking or a bad spanking haha

[cinder oxide]

you know i really liked it at first

nah i just played like my eyes were closed

[fallen mural]

i finally nearly put a 8.4 mill parse for priory. Place spanks me regularly but it was only a 15

That's like my peak though, i don't think i can do much more. Takes too much focus for me to do better lol

[fiery parcel]

does the defensive chart take into account elusiveness? specifically for the feint part

[cinder relic]

No

elus would work on everything

[fiery parcel]

okie

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt mage incoming

[frail veldt]

ripppppp

[tender wedge]

BTE and PS are ranged what’s this guys deal

[frank bane]

Gaming

[bright crane]

bro i gotta say

big ups to rogue theorycrafters

simming hunter

you need a fuckin phd

[frank bane]

Yo same

[bright crane]

absolutely ludacris

[frank bane]

Me dumb pirate guy who shoot gun good. Me no do numbers. Brain no thonk good.

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/thatsludacris-ludacris-gif-25083717

[wintry solar]

https://tenor.com/view/kitty-21-september-post-cute-gif-13349686228671384507

[elder phoenix]

ngl idk how you guys can log in and decide for your self that youd do more M+ than the x8 you need for vault

[fallen mural]

M+ is life

[elder phoenix]

like i just logged in decided to do some 13s so i can get some io then i just logged out after 5 min cuz like tf am i logged in for i already did my vault tuesday

[ocean lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/daireb-gif-26213999

[elder phoenix]

i mean even that

[craggy barn]

my will to key is very low this season

[elder phoenix]

my friends were trying to get me in some carries for gold and im like i dont even wanna do that LOL cuz i can just buy tokens

[craggy barn]

taking significantly longer to lfg bc we suck

[elder phoenix]

naw

just queue as sub

or assassination

and you get instant invites lol

[wintry solar]

I just run the dungeons I like, makes M+ a lot more fun.

[fallen mural]

or run your own key XD

[wintry solar]

60% of my runs are Priory or HoA

[craggy barn]

bro i dont even want to run my own key

[elder phoenix]

rUn YoUr OwN kEy is the funniest concept to say to someone, what if they have a key they dont need? lol why would they run that key instead of queuing

[craggy barn]

i just queue 14s and chill in those when i need keys done

[fallen mural]

Because if you time the key you have you get a key thats higher ?

Better then sitting in q for 3 hours

[elder phoenix]

Wtf do i need a key thats higher if its not the dungeon i need to increase my IO

HUH

[dawn talon]

bc you arent getting invited to an 18 at 3300

but if you do the 16 ecodome you already have and 2 chest it

you get to list one

[fallen mural]

haha i mean at least you get a key you might not have that's higher and then you get io 😄

[elder phoenix]

thats wild people actually will themselves to log in to do more than the required x8 keys for vaults

[dawn talon]

i play the game when its fun

i dont when it isnt

[craggy barn]

i only really do push keys with my guild group

[elder phoenix]

They really need to put an incentive to push keys

tbh

[fallen mural]

You could make a triple rogue key when you're bored?

one of every spec

[elder phoenix]

Like mythic bound items if you finish a 18+ or something

[dawn talon]

nah i like that the incentive once u dont care about title is just playing well

would be cringe if i had ppl playing for rewards in my io keys

[fallen mural]

i agree with that. we should get mythic loot from +15 keys

[craggy barn]

remove mythic track

[elder phoenix]

it would be more cringe if your pushing something that you're not getting rewarded from imo

[wintry solar]

Something something invalidating raiding

[elder phoenix]

not 15+

make it 18+

[dawn talon]

then dont do it

[elder phoenix]

I dont, once i do my x8 i dont do anymore keys for the week

way ahead of you bud

[cinder relic]

Hmm yes infinitely farm able mythic gear

[fallen mural]

No make it 15+ since you can get easy myth loot from the first like 6 bosses in raid

[dawn talon]

it's optional content for the people who want to do it

[craggy barn]

remove mythic track entirely

[elder phoenix]

I dont think alot of people can farm 18+

[dawn talon]

ye but the people who can dont need the gear

[fallen mural]

But alot of people can farm mythic raid first 3?

[elder phoenix]

OR if 18+ is farmable for alot of people then make it 19+ or even 20+

[cinder relic]

You don't farm first 3

[dawn talon]

and its obnoxious to do

[cinder relic]

U do it once a week

U can do unlimited keys

[fallen mural]

So make it first 4 dungeons of the week you get myth track or something

or first 2

[dawn talon]

everyone complains about doing a billion keys to farm an item on hero track

[craggy barn]

thats what vault is for

[cinder relic]

4 mythic guaranteed pieces a week

[elder phoenix]

correct me if im wrong, can majority of the gamers do 18+ to farm them freely?

[fallen mural]

i mean even if you get myth track you can't upgrade it hahaa

Watergate Timegate

[craggy barn]

all of this is solved if u just delete myth track

[cinder relic]

What?

[fallen mural]

All of this is solved if you delete raids

haha

[wintry solar]

It's too easy to gear these days anyway, idk

[elder phoenix]

Not really, if you;'re not a meta class

youll have hell to do

[cinder relic]

What?

[wintry solar]

Outlaw meta confirmed

[cinder relic]

Gear is so fkn easy this tier

This expac really

[dawn talon]

gearing is fun atm, i get my guy geared in 3 weeks and i can blast and wait for marginal upgrades

[cinder relic]

Ya it's good