season 1
#outlaw
vivid vessel
not even in the leaderboard
proven ocean
rogues are always biased and rogue copers
vivid vessel
i was so washed up ..
vivid vessel
zeross
you know whats funny
we legit can get all r1 keys rn idk why
like our comp is so bad
but kira team and shit
they are struggling to live the keys
we arent
proven ocean
i mean ur comp sucked balls last season too
frail veldt
my real question is how are rogue players always making rogue work
proven ocean
while they have to play perfect
?
frail veldt
but its not like dk players are making dk work when its not in meta
or hunter players
proven ocean
idk why ur assuming they have to play perfect zac
frail veldt
etc
proven ocean
cuz u have to play perfect too lol
proven ocean
ur comp is alot harder than theirs ur just too used to being melee
vivid vessel
idk if they timed it yet
proven ocean
yes but ur way better
vivid vessel
we went in flood 19
proven ocean
than them in flood
vivid vessel
and one shotted it
proven ocean
its normal
frail veldt
or maybe I just dont know them
proven ocean
same as us
proven ocean
we nuked floodgate in last season
i mean
we're just way better than kira's team on that dungeon im sure of it
proven ocean
same with priory ye
issue is
we struggled alot on them
that we became better at it
vivid vessel
we play legit 3 night a week tho its a bit annoying
vivid vessel
i do
proven ocean
like we practiced that key alot
vivid vessel
ye
vivid vessel
bro our comp this season is so bad 💀
last season it was good
this season we hvae legit 0 prio damage
well its just outlaw holding it back i think
with like bm hunter instead
or idk
dk
it would be way better
proven ocean
hunter instead of rogue would be crazy
proven ocean
idk maybe
vivid vessel
dk would destroy the keys in our comp aswell
proven ocean
idk
proven ocean
ye but
vivid vessel
only annoying one rn is first boss dawn
vivid vessel
ye sure
proven ocean
even if we're already good melee players
frail veldt
bro our comp this season is so bad 💀
it would be great if they replaced you with a hunter though right?
proven ocean
doesnt make melee more free
vivid vessel
nah its just me
proven ocean
ppl just cope on ranged being hard
frail veldt
yep
proven ocean
its just always easier
frail veldt
confirmed
proven ocean
look at ur route zac
like
if u open any route
it has 100000000% more notes than kira's route
that u memorize perfectly
frail veldt
ppl just cope on ranged being hard
we like to call those people "morons"
proven ocean
because of no voice
proven ocean
i think its just player diff thats what i mean
frail veldt
I think historically though ranged was hard
frail veldt
in TWW melee became a LOT harder
frail veldt
cuz they added a fuck ton more aoes centered on mobs and mechanics that are close to the mob
vivid vessel
you are 10 times more focused
vivid vessel
and you follow a script instead
proven ocean
voice is chaotic
proven ocean
liek
vivid vessel
you have to fix it
vivid vessel
like very methodically
proven ocean
and blame it on you
vivid vessel
cause you cant yolo aswell
proven ocean
last 0.000001 sec call on kick
then u kick
and then
another kick comes up
u have kick ready but ur waiting for the call
then u dont kick
and someone dies
XDXD
vivid vessel
proven ocean
"YO U HAD KICK READY WHAT THE HELLY"
nah bro
ur just cooked at calling
thats every voice grp imo
proven ocean
but like
no voice is very very good for premadesa
u just have things pre assigned
no voice keyers
vivid vessel
frail veldt
voice works fine if 1 person is talking
proven ocean
voice works fine if 1 person is talking
nah
dont think u pushed enough to understand what we're tlaking about
brb shower tho
proven ocean
nope nope
wemo
its chaotic from 1 player
our point is that
like
that player
is gonna focus on other things
and forget to call something
proven ocean
then that thing
proven ocean
?
proven ocean
raid leading is different than M+ wtf are u talking about
frail veldt
going even further
there are plenty of teams
in m+
that also use voice
so even objectively youre just wrong
anyway ggs go shower
vivid vessel
spark relic
is using 2 swords 1h worse than a 1h and dagger?
proven ocean
being toxic comes so naturally to you
ye and u bring up a completely different point and say random ass shit that dont make sense and expect no one to get mad
vivid vessel
I do think if you dont have a gingi calling
frail veldt
I said one thing
frail veldt
and you effectively said "shut you arent good enough to have an opinion"
proven ocean
literally not a single player knows how to call things
except gingi afaik
because if the callouter forgets 1 thing
that 1 thing will go through and kill you
and deplete the key
frail veldt
you can forget 1 thing when youre not in voice too
making a mistake depletes the key
dawn talon
literally not a single player knows how to call things
yoda > gingi calling
vivid vessel
you can forget 1 thing when youre not in voice too
no because the 5 players are thinking about it also
proven ocean
^
proven ocean
xD
proven ocean
yoda > gingi calling
yoda is good ye
but
barely any players like that
yoda is the NA guy
who else
nerf was good
gingi is good
literally no one else afaik
dawn talon
uhhh
proven ocean
that can call things 50% correctly
proven ocean
XDXDD
glass mortar
do groups that voice m+ at the top end actually play it like a raid leader? i thought they only did that if theres a mistake or something changes mid route
why would u not preassign shit and use voice
dawn talon
but he tilts so easy now
glass mortar
so u can just use voice if stuff goes bad
frail veldt
do groups that voice m+ at the top end actually play it like a raid leader? i th...
yeah I mean ideally the shot caller is mostly there to call for a change
if its needed
liek to recover from a mistake
proven ocean
do groups that voice m+ at the top end actually play it like a raid leader? i th...
no ofc not
mewo is just typing random shit
its not the same at all
glass mortar
like when i watch yoda stream i feel like usually hes just calling out which marks people r on and then the people handle what they need to kick themselves
proven ocean
ye
and they call aoe stops on very hard aoe packs
and on normal packs too
but if they miss 1 thing its gg
frail veldt
if only they turned off voice
proven ocean
even yoda mis calls
frail veldt
theyd be so much higher
craggy jay
!wa
proven ocean
it happens
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
proven ocean
our point is compeltely different
5 ppl thinking about the same thing
vs 1 guy
theres a reason why gingi literally almost always wins mdi/tgp
glass mortar
5 ppl thinking about the same thing might come to 5 different answers on the fly and end up clashing tho
proven ocean
and they lost due to naowh trolling
glass mortar
thats generally why you pick 1 person
frail veldt
5 ppl thinking about the same thing might come to 5 different answers on the fly...
yeah exactly
frail veldt
a shot caller is 1 person thinking about a thing and everyone else just doing what they say
proven ocean
no one in the game does calls like him atm
frail veldt
but that does mean if the 1 pesron messes up you lose
vivid vessel
5 ppl thinking about the same thing might come to 5 different answers on the fly...
yes but ubnless the shotcaller is gingi he will make too many mistakes to be reliable enough anyway
proven ocean
ye but gingi doesn't mess up so
ppl meme about gingi alot being bad but in this rwf specifically he played better than firedup and all the liquid mages honestly
frail veldt
yes but ubnless the shotcaller is gingi he will make too many mistakes to be rel...
I think its too much on one person yeah but its not 5 ppl thinking about the same thing in no voice its more like 5 ppl thinking about only their job and nothing else
proven ocean
he did make echo lose rwf last tier but it is what it is
happens
ppl play bad sometimes
but
frail veldt
but a shot caller should mean everyone else has less to focus on though in theory right?
glass mortar
yes but ubnless the shotcaller is gingi he will make too many mistakes to be rel...
yes thats why u shouldnt have 1 person calling every shot the whole key, you should have decided what people r gunna kick what marker, order of aoe cc and such beforehand
chilly atlas
i heard he was washed?
glass mortar
then have a shotcaller for if shit goes awry
proven ocean
I think its too much on one person yeah but its not 5 ppl thinking about the sam...
i think the talk doesn't really correlate on whats really happening in super high keys mewo
like
there are many things u cant explain
that just fuck up a voice grp
u cant understand it until u really experience alot of it
i dont mean to be rude on this mewo
frail veldt
Yeah but thats not an issue with voice thats an issue with the execution of it
glass mortar
a voice group can do every single minmaxing thing a non voice can do, and also be on coms if something drastic happens and they need to talk
proven ocean
struggled because of being on voice
frail veldt
ngl ive played at just a high percentile in this game as you
in arguably a harder game mode
so
glass mortar
what u guys are talking about is voice groups becoming too reliant on voice
glass mortar
which probably does happen
frail veldt
actually literally
pvers have bad comms
tbh
you wouldnt understand though
until you play at high pvp rating
what good comms are
proven ocean
I know comms better htan you
idk about that i never saw you push r1 keys
pvp is different
frail veldt
which is probably why you have a bad take on this
frail veldt
yeah
proven ocean
mewo
proven ocean
im talking about key levels where you get 1 shot with 50% vers and 20% avoidance
bro
pvp is way different what are u talking about
they call stops on 1 player
frail veldt
but yeah if what you were saying was true other people would do the same
proven ocean
its very high apm
on cc's
u cannot mess it up lol
u can easily call pvp stops
because its literally stops heavy
proven ocean
XDXDXD
sure dude
literally half our keys dont include any cc's
and every arena run u have
has 100 kidney's
frail veldt
yeah but you dont use the 3rd dr nearly as much in pvp
proven ocean
they include specific route assignments
proven ocean
yeah but you dont use the 3rd dr nearly as much in pvp
?
frail veldt
theyve nerfed cc a lot in pvp
proven ocean
how does pvp have less cc than pve
ur so difficult to have a conversation with why am i bothering
frail veldt
cuz they trim it out and you dont use aoe cc as much cuz you care more about extending dr
proven ocean
literally half the keys we do
are no cc's
and u cant do a single pvp arena
without cc
frail veldt
but yeah tbh lots of teams in both mdi and key pushing use voice
frail veldt
so its objectivley not an issue
proven ocean
me and zac and every m+er agree's on something
mewo is the opposite and always right
sure buddy
frail veldt
zeross you made an absolute statement that is inherently contradicted by evidence
not my fautl I pointed it out
frail veldt
lol yep thats zeross go to
when he cant actually form an argument
he just calls gg
and blames the other person
and says theyre bad
daring oxide
proper veldt
quaint mauve
pvp has more things you need to com in comparison to pve
quaint mauve
ehhh i don’t think comms will throw ur key, but yeah there’s not as much reason to talk in m+
stiff vector
I mean ive done plenty of high keys with no comms tbh. Obv prob time the key less often than a dedicated 5 stack in comms, but thats to be expected
frail veldt
yeah you can def focus more on your own gameplay without comms
quaint mauve
there’s a reason people run high level m+ with no comms but literally no one runs high level pvp without comms
frail veldt
I mean ive done plenty of high keys with no comms tbh. Obv prob time the key les...
nah hes saying you time less keys with comms
proper veldt
High m+ pushers 24/7 stare at omnicd anyways and we have so many ccs + kicks that it’s pretty hard to wipe
Mainly just working on routing / damage / not dying
frail veldt
yeah you can def do both
frail veldt
I was just saying that either isnt objectively worse or better
quaint mauve
what else r u gonna say
frail veldt
they both have benefits
frail veldt
what else r u gonna say
sometimes strat can change due to a mistake
so then comms can be useful
but vice versa if the shot caller makes a mistake
that can also wipe you
so they both are prone to mistakes
vapid sundial
that comms is bad in high m+
Not rly.
proven ocean
I mean ive done plenty of high keys with no comms tbh. Obv prob time the key les...
r1 throne we had in DF was with comms btw it would've ended up way better if it wasn't on comms
our healer trolled and kept on saying i have dispell
and killed me like 3 times
on 1 boss fight
then she said i have no dispell i cloak + a dispell on top
stiff vector
I mean half the time Im not rly saying anything during the run(at least thats relevant to the run). I think its more important to like have synergy and experience playing with the people youre playing with
and obv them be good
proven ocean
so we get another dispell on cd
and 2nd death was gg
we did time it in the end tho
vapid sundial
I like comms for kick calls
proven ocean
even kick calls are irrelevant now
frail veldt
rofl
simple gull
why the fuck does Brann disappear from my partyy everytime I die on kyveza on ?? mode?
Another outlaw bug or what
jagged helm
I know exact secondary stats are not a thing but if I'm trying to pickup outlaw and I legit have zero haste, am I just wasting my time?
vapid sundial
Yes
simple gull
he still follows me but he's not in my party frames
jagged helm
I can swap 2 rings and my cloak stats, maybe hit 15k haste
frail veldt
I know exact secondary stats are not a thing but if I'm trying to pickup outlaw ...
youll struggle a lot but with haste flask and just swapping your cloak you can get a good amount
jagged helm
That's at the absolute max
quiet root
I can swap 2 rings and my cloak stats, maybe hit 15k haste
i think 15k is overcapped no?
frail veldt
but yeah itll feel pretty bad to play without the required haste
stiff vector
you only need like 12.5k haste as KIR
proper veldt
2.8 ish
frail veldt
so flask + cloak is like 40% of the way there
stiff vector
like haste flask+cape gem alone is like...4500 haste
quiet root
should be around 19% haste sitting in dornogal (with flask on i guess)
proper veldt
Haste flask also makes it so tempered gives vers 
vapid sundial
jagged helm
I have a 6k ring somewhere in my bags also so I think I can make this work
jagged helm
Yeah I didn't mean it like I couldn't find it lol
Just that I haven't been using it
But now I will need it so I'm glad it's there
tender wedge
I really like setting up so haste flask gets me to 19.x, makes gearing for sub better and easier plus as you say makes the tempered pot better as well
floral compass
interesting
tender wedge
Yeah I’m stoked it’s gonna nudge me over 3k
bright crane
Even if you already did keys above 12?
frail veldt
Even if you already did keys above 12?
all keys that you currently have timed with the affix xalataths guile are going to have their score valeu increased by 5
bright crane
long barn
Any rumors on class tuning?
bright crane
Yeah my dad works at Blizz
vivid vessel
its rumored outlaw isnt getting buffe
bright crane
He said though you the to be MSFT shareholder
To get the buff
More shares, more buff
long barn
Ahh. Well I have .1 share through Robinhood
Does that count
I got it from selling my brother’s 10000000 doge
We got free from candycrush
vivid vessel
infinite
worldly shale
ok now non french people pls
worldly shale
Bonjour! Merci S'il vous plaît
inland acorn
!WA
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
worldly shale
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with TOMELVIS, the so-called “best outlaw rogue in the game”, and i swear on my keystone this man plays like his keyboard is missing half the buttons. we pull the first pack, i’m already spinning like a lawnmower, hitting 30m dps, and TOMELVIS is sitting there struggling to roll the bones like he’s gambling rent money. bro’s dps was so low DETAILS asked if he was healing. i’ve seen boomkins out of form pump harder than this dude.
tender wedge
New copypasta just dropped, nice
desert tendon
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with TOMELVIS, the so-called “best outlaw rogue in the game”, and i swear on my keystone this man plays like his keyboard is missing half the buttons. we pull the first pack, i’m already spinning like a lawnmower, hitting 30m dps, and TOMELVIS is sitting there struggling to roll the bones like he’s gambling rent money. bro’s dps was so low DETAILS asked if he was healing. i’ve seen boomkins out of form pump harder than this dude.
stiff vector
https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-mythic-score-for-all-keys-12-and-above-due-to-...
oh nice im 3445 now
now bugfix rogue next
and buff rogue next
dawn talon
ye i think im like 3365 now
stiff vector
I also just did the most disgusting dmg to rashanan in a 12 DB on my hunter like holy this spec is turbo busted
proven ocean
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with TOMELVIS, the so-called “best outlaw rogue in the game”, and i swear on my keystone this man plays like his keyboard is missing half the buttons. we pull the first pack, i’m already spinning like a lawnmower, hitting 30m dps, and TOMELVIS is sitting there struggling to roll the bones like he’s gambling rent money. bro’s dps was so low DETAILS asked if he was healing. i’ve seen boomkins out of form pump harder than this dude.
@vivid vessel when are u defending this zac
unkempt cypress
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with TOMELVIS, the so-called “...
cool
hasty warren
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with TOMELVIS, the so-called “...
pic ?
vivid vessel
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with TOMELVIS, the so-called “...
Bro..
merry harness
Post pic of details/log or we will be forced to believe @proven ocean
worldly shale
zeross outlaw rogue of the decade award?
tender wedge
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with ZEROSS, the so-called “best assassination rogue in the game”, and i swear on my keystone this man plays like his keyboard is missing half the buttons. we pull the first pack, i’m already flurrying like a lawnmower, hitting 13m dps, and ZEROSS is sitting there struggling to spread rupture like he’s lost his tab key. bro’s dps was so low DETAILS asked if he was healing. i’ve seen fire mages out of form pump harder than this dude.
harsh forge
i participated in a copy pasta spam once and muted for a week
copper radish
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with ZEROSS, the so-called “be...
Exposing bro 😂
copper radish
Any rumors on class tuning?
Come back for next xpack maybe buffs by then
stiff vector
Rumor is devs think the spec of anything needs a nerf thanks to 3 spec freakazoid Zac
proven ocean
CHAT YOU ARE NOT READY FOR THIS, i just did a +20 with ZEROSS, the so-called “be...
?????????
what the god damn helly
!
only zac not me
no cappy
tender wedge
Couldn’t resist. Slow work day. Funniest part is me thinking I could do 20s 
worldly shale
Couldn’t resist. Slow work day. Funniest part is me thinking I could do 20s <:OM...
or doing 13m dps
tender wedge
Please, it’s absolutely possible to do 13m dps with 8 targets and potion and 6 rtb buffs and trinket proc
I’ve hit that at least twice
worldly shale
holy cappacino
proof?
the third time aint happening
so u better have recorded that
tender wedge
You’ll have to take my word for it 😇
rocky kiln
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
wintry solar
Come back for next xpack maybe buffs by then
maybe
wintry solar
For everyone's sake I hope you're right
I want my remix to be as smooth as possible
wintry solar
See u tomorrow night to turn that maybe into a yes
copper radish
I want my remix to be as smooth as possible
18 days 16 hours and counting down
wintry solar
I'll take a 5% aura buff
frank finch
well turns out coins r bugged in a bad way so we need more then a 5 % buff
desert tendon
outlaw needs at least a 86 buffs
frail veldt
Too bad they're also gonna nerf bladeflurry when they buff us
hollow bloom
Outlaw buffs! Hype! 
edgy phoenix
fuck pc
formal thunder
every week I tell myself
I just gotta hit the buttons right
and every week I inflict mental anguish upon me and my key group by means of my absymal damage
I'm tired boss 
frail veldt
I mean our overall isn't that bad we just have the worst profile in the game
So we have to do more damage than everyone else to justify our existence
formal thunder
Yea, count me out on that "our damage" I'm barely breaking 5M overall on a good key 
formal thunder
I feel this, my survival hunter has 1.5 things to consider in aoe, and I do twice the overall damage of my better geared outlaw 🥲
frail veldt
https://www.twitch.tv/bondbl/clip/ReliableBillowingOryxDoubleRainbow-HlblFWu8M8b...
Working as intended
stiff vector
https://www.twitch.tv/bondbl/clip/ReliableBillowingOryxDoubleRainbow-HlblFWu8M8b...
yep can confirm ive been on both sides of this. I can instantly do more damage on my hunter with 1/1000th of the time played on hunter compared to outlaw 
best part is, banshers is also doing GIGA prio to the mini boss at the same time
quaint mauve
Too bad they're also gonna nerf bladeflurry when they buff us
please just make KS only hit
main target
stiff vector
I mean our overall isn't that bad we just have the worst profile in the game
its not...THAT bad, its only 30% lower than the hunter 
while getting turbo gapped on prio dmg and boss dmg too. Banshers quite literally did 50% more dmg to last boss than wox lol
quaint mauve
deadass biggest buff we can get
stiff vector
the spec is actually just a complete dumpster fire
frail veldt
its not...THAT bad, its only 30% lower than the hunter <:OMEGALUL:72552829500470...
Don't forget we also don't bring any damage raid buff lol
stiff vector
or really any meaningful utility outside of perma tricks(goatd)
stiff vector
aint no body care about atrophic when outlaw is this ass 
wintry solar
well turns out coins r bugged in a bad way so we need more then a 5 % buff
What outlaw needs and what will suffice are 2 different things
latent panther
stiff vector
it better be a smoke nuke if its cd is 20 min lul
smoky lotus
I think player controlled los mechanics will break a lot of things in pve. haha
frail veldt
Nah if they only last like 5-6 seconds it'd be fine
Also blizz makes lots of boss mechanics ignore los
fallen mural
Just a friendly reminder for my outlaw brothers, if you're using the roll the bones weak aura. It was updated on september 9th so you should reimport or update it!
analog fog
its not...THAT bad, its only 30% lower than the hunter <:OMEGALUL:72552829500470...
my role on last boss is to spawn blobs for funnel for hunter
elder phoenix
its not...THAT bad, its only 30% lower than the hunter <:OMEGALUL:72552829500470...
Well you should go Sub then if you want better dps
ngl though i thought i was just bad when I cant compet with bm hunters or other dps lol
that make sense
torpid fiber
dw blizzard will fix us in 4 patches
torpid fiber
More than anything else the fact that our profile is so shit pisses me off because that was literally our whole speciality and the one thing we had
trim harbor
is there even a point to using ambush over sinister strike when not using HO build
torpid fiber
!kir
ornate heathBOT
KIR build compared to 
HO:
- doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
- is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
- has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
- has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
- is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
- needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
- KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)
trim harbor
noted noted tyty
snow hill
Just a friendly reminder for my outlaw brothers, if you're using the roll the bo...
Shit. Thanks for this.
fallen mural
Shit. Thanks for this.
no worries it should look like this if you're running sleight with loaded dice
fading silo
might be dumb question and outlaw rogue is the first dps i've really ever played. is the one button rotation a decent starter till i get comfortable with the rotation?
tender wedge
outlaw is very spicy for a first choice, using 1br is -35% damage according to wowhead
gaunt phoenix
No not really. you are much, much better off with a rotation helper addon like HeroRotation.
fading silo
i've only ever tanked and guildies chose the class i think they hate me.
tender wedge
elaborate troll :p
tender wedge
give it a crack idk you might fall in love
but assass or sub are definitely going to be easier to learn
fading silo
No not really. you are much, much better off with a rotation helper addon like H...
is there something specific it's missing?
fading silo
but assass or sub are definitely going to be easier to learn
i've heard sub is one of the hardest ones to learn
tender wedge
the gcd penalty from 1br is worse for outlaw than any other spec
sub appears hard from the outside, assass easier for sure though
fading silo
hmm
i think ill try to swap when i get daggers
tos ub
but until then i think i wanna learn this a bit more
gaunt phoenix
well, for one thing is that it does not use vanish, adrenaline rush, or keep it rolling at all
the one button tries not to use "major cooldowns" but this doesnt really work for outlaw because our "major cooldowns" are actually just an integral part of the rotation and not really used 'as cooldowns'
fading silo
interesting
proven ocean
i've only ever tanked and guildies chose the class i think they hate me.
Tanking requires alot of experience
fading silo
is hero rotation the recommended one not hekkeli?
gaunt phoenix
is hero rotation the recommended one not hekkeli?
they should be similar
elder phoenix
the one button tries not to use "major cooldowns" but this doesnt really work fo...
Yeah from doing m+ majority of the times as outlaw
proven ocean
Never start off tanking otherwise you’ll get flamed in every grp u join
fading silo
Tanking requires alot of experience
i've gotten CE on every tank except pally but never really did much on dps classes
elder phoenix
I think our "Cooldowns" are literally just a normal ability that you should do regardless cuz of restless blades
or w/e
proven ocean
i've gotten CE on every tank except pally but never really did much on dps class...
Ah i thought u were omega microwaved new
elder phoenix
depends though if your guild really wants that extra dps you should save your GS on that specific target but if theres no requirements like that just FULL send your cds regardless
proven ocean
i think ill try to use hekkli or hero rotation and try that
Outlaw is the hardest spec in the game atm
elder phoenix
i think ill try to use hekkli or hero rotation and try that
hekili is more accurate
proven ocean
So if ur gonna use that
elder phoenix
use that
elder phoenix
hekili's RTB logic is actualy really accurate lol
quaint mauve
i really hate hekili
proven ocean
And be aware hekili isn’t giga accurate but it knows 95% of ur rotation
fading silo
i need to know the reason behind something so ill probably be sitting dummy for a while
proven ocean
It never updates real time
quaint mauve
it makes already struggling players look at a box on their screen rather than anything else
elder phoenix
And be aware hekili isn’t giga accurate but it knows 95% of ur rotation
wym its not giga accurate lol
Even azotharion said its accurate
quaint mauve
also it’s really bad for outlaw
proven ocean
Nah moot
quaint mauve
bc of .8 gcd
proven ocean
Dont start with ur cooked takes again
proven ocean
Even azotharion said its accurate
Hunter XDXD
quaint mauve
hekili can’t tell u you’re about to proc
proven ocean
has nothing to do with the hardest spec in the game that presses a new button every 0.8 sec
fathom bramble
pretty sure hekili just consumes the APL and uses that so it should be mostly accurate most of the time
wintry solar
He said he did but who knows
elder phoenix
Did zac block you btw
No clue, Why would i care regardless LOL
proven ocean
He said he did but who knows
He trolls all the time i guess i’ll do the same
quaint mauve
pretty sure hekili just consumes the APL and uses that so it should be mostly ac...
but if u use it you’re going to get used to wasting gcd
fathom bramble
probably
quaint mauve
so it’s bad
fathom bramble
I think it's bad to use, but it does have an accurate rotation in it
proven ocean
pretty sure hekili just consumes the APL and uses that so it should be mostly ac...
We tested it few times
Me and zac
wait not zac
Only me
It doesn’t update real time for example
fallen mural
i need to know the reason behind something so ill probably be sitting dummy for ...
we all sit at the dummies in our spare time, that's the outlaw way
elder phoenix
i only use hekili for the RTB cuz its actually very intuitive for it
proven ocean
If at 0.00 second u have to press something
fading silo
Okay so what im hearing is try hekkli for a bit till I understand more of why im pressing the buttons
wintry solar
Yes
quaint mauve
i only use hekili for the RTB cuz its actually very intuitive for it
but what’s the point when there’s weak auras for it already
proven ocean
Hekili doesnt update
elder phoenix
but what’s the point when there’s weak auras for it already
I dont like how the other weakauras are doing it thats why
fading silo
Is there any weakauras specifically i should use?
proven ocean
Okay so what im hearing is try hekkli for a bit till I understand more of why im...
Try to stop using it asap and run read the faq if u want to be really good
quaint mauve
idk , even reroll logic wa r weird to me
proven ocean
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
quaint mauve
rtb logic isn’t hard
fading silo
Oh shit ty
proven ocean
Use zac’s group if u want everything that outlaw requires
elder phoenix
This is https://i.imgur.com/2kOXDfm.jpeg with hekili RTB
proven ocean
Any other wa package is usually fried but if u like zac’s theme its the best one
quaint mauve
i just learned how
to play better on eco last boss
it feels weird that i’ve been missing out on this until now
proven ocean
Hekili rtb in df was cooked
Doesnt understand the buffs perfectly im sure its still the same
quaint mauve
but picking up ur soul resets the buff timer, so in the intermission you pick up the souls like last second to have as much uptime of the buff being stacked up
fading silo
Probably the best class discord I've joined lmao
elder phoenix
yes but the coding/logic for hekili has updated since 2 years ago
fading silo
Every other one yells how it's dog shit and they hate themselves
elder phoenix
lol
proven ocean
it looks like its better now
And how are u gonna know that
Ur just spreading misinformation 24/7
gaunt phoenix
Both the maintainers for hekili and herorotation are coordinating with me a bit
proven ocean
Ur saying its good now and u dont even know how it functioned then
elder phoenix
esspecially if your knowledge of that project is 2 years too late
Well i didnt play outlaw then
so i wouldnt know
proven ocean
I refuse to believe that it has the last 1-5% of its buttons that are incorrect to be functioning perfectly atm
Unless a gamer tells me otherwise
elder phoenix
I refuse to believe that it has the last 1-5% of its buttons that are incorrect ...
Well flat earthers refuses to believe the earth is round so if you refuse to believe it then ig you're right
proven ocean
I wouldnt test it soon anyway i know how it worked it doesnt update real time being the main issue
quaint mauve
the add on just doesn’t work for outlaw
proven ocean
Well flat earthers refuses to believe the earth is round so if you refuse to be...
Ur the most annoying person in here ngl
quaint mauve
there’s no defending it for this spec specifically
proven ocean
No wonder zac blocked you
elder phoenix
No wonder zac blocked you
Oh no what ever shall i do
proven ocean
Im saying it doesnt update in real time
elder phoenix
quaint mauve
And ur saying ye but its good
no point in arguing with numbskulls man
proven ocean
Brb sleep
elder phoenix
Idk but from what ive been seeing, https://i.imgur.com/2kOXDfm.jpeg this is from all hekili RTB logic lol
so ig i have to believe what you "feel" or you "think" instead of what the numbers its been showing me
fading silo
I appreciate the help everyone.
btw is there a certain haste i wanna get to like 20%? or am i thinking of wrong thing
quaint mauve
that was the most uncorrelated point i’ve ever seen idk
quaint mauve
btw is there a certain haste i wanna get to like 20%? or am i thinking of wrong ...
with KiR build you want 19%
nothing more nothing less
19.04% exactly i think
fading silo
okay dope then crit vers?
quaint mauve
okay dope then crit vers?
yup
elder phoenix
that was the most uncorrelated point i’ve ever seen idk
Oh no, someome having a tantrum cuz Im not taking their feelings or opinions for something
fading silo
yup
understood! Thank you so much i think it'd be better for me to use a rotation helper instead of the single button as well to get a groove of it and then also to know where i have my buttons without being confused
I appreciate it all
elder phoenix
understood! Thank you so much i think it'd be better for me to use a rotation he...
Tbh to save you time and crunching numbers. just do what raidbots tell you to do
it automates it for you
fading silo
i umm
quaint mauve
understood! Thank you so much i think it'd be better for me to use a rotation he...
use it until you have a better understanding ig, but it’ll never be optimal bc of our gcd being at .8 with adr up
gaunt phoenix
I think we established that
fading silo
rarely use raidbots even as a tank
quaint mauve
familiarize yourself with #outlaw-faq so you atleast understand why the rotation helper does what it does
fading silo
i focus more on living than damage which is toxic i know
fading silo
familiarize yourself with <#856897810536071208> so you atleast understand why th...
oh yeah for sure
i was reading it and getting confused but this should help
quaint mauve
i was reading it and getting confused but this should help
any questions feel free to ask everyone here is pretty helpful
fading silo
that's what i've seen
i hate joining tank discords or class discords that have tanks because it's a piss eating contest lmao
stable wolf
wintry solar
I'm not in this discussion but I'm more correct.
elder phoenix
Gotta love it when people result to adhominims when they can't handle being argued back
hominems
fallen mural
did somebody say 19.04?
fallen mural
hahaha i dunno to be honest i just checked after i read the comment haha
elder phoenix
did somebody say 19.04?
lol beter than mine i have to choose between 18.9% and 21.22% 🙁
better*
fallen mural
i think my haste will go up once i get a myth track second ring but i can just swap a gem haha
quaint mauve
i think i need to take haste off my weapons
or one of them
make it crit vers
and i’ll be 19% still
fallen mural
ya literally everything im crafting is crit verse, but my one ring is haste verse
grim spear
Anyone got a gif of KS falling off Dawnbreaker?
gaunt phoenix
grim spear
ty
stiff vector
man im just trying to farm the sick bracer/boot transmog from normal and boy is it painful holy...
elder phoenix
man im just trying to farm the sick bracer/boot transmog from normal and boy is ...
I really dont want to raid this season but
I think i have to just for the boots and trinkets
So annoying
stiff vector
the bracers that match the boot xmog is fire
ripe ibex
bright crane
14 priory. was LOCKED tf in
torpid fiber
bm hunter payphoning frfr
bright crane
ya
kept dying
esp at the end when tank was chain pulling to so we could make timer
some straight T mobile ass 3g dialing it in
rotund zodiac
elder phoenix
14 priory. was LOCKED tf in
lol by looking at that, its either the bm hunter is the leader of the group OR friends with the tank
or the moonkin
obtuse hollow
Unlucky
fallen mural
bastard blizzard 😛
elder phoenix
is cancelling Ks bad if that happens?
gaunt phoenix
No you should cancle ks to kir there
ripe ibex
old man
lofty latch
I know outlaw wants kir wants 19-20% haste but is there a case to be made for running higher, like 25%? More energy for feints, crimson vial, SS spam when trying to farm cto. Or am I crazy / bad / need to git gud
gaunt phoenix
nah not really
lofty latch
I find minimim haste to be difficult in raid
gaunt phoenix
there's a case for that for HO but haste falls off too harshly for KIR
lofty latch
Hmmkay I will keep trying. I think I feel really bad when I can't get enough procs to use kir, like worst case is having grand melee, rp, nothing procs, sitting at 0 energy and ar falls off. Or desperate vanish with no fth procs and fall further behind in long run. Running more haste helps alleviate the low rolls in my own experience but ill keep trying to figure it out
Specifically this is an issue for 1fth trickster
quaint mauve
done this before
almost painted my ceiling
after kir no buffs
how op is warlock on the mini boss in halls
we killed it in 10 seconds
wtf
dusty mulch
What's the opener on Heroic Dimenious with him ruining our stealth with the stupid entry thing? Do we do a normal rotation, then vanish and open with Ghostly Strike?
gaunt phoenix
use blade flurry right before portal
then open with macro on boss
should still get lucky coin
elder phoenix
No you should cancle ks to kir there
thats what iw as thinking
so idk why he thought he was cooked lol
when he could have cancelled
gaunt phoenix
he means he a made a mistake
that's why he's cooked
he meant to do it but he failed
elder phoenix
Ah
elder phoenix
Hmmkay I will keep trying. I think I feel really bad when I can't get enough pro...
Tbh this is what i felt too, but you get used to it
indigo token
elder phoenix
Hmmkay I will keep trying. I think I feel really bad when I can't get enough pro...
tbh it it seldom happens but if i get to that situation where im struggling for energy i just use a pistol proc for some combo points tbh
frail veldt
@quaint mauve want to double outlaw my 15 priory
bout to list it cuz ive gotten rejected from like 30 other applications lol
elder phoenix
its prob not "optimal" but it just makes shit smoother
quaint mauve
20 minutes
frail veldt
all g
ye
ill keep applying in the mean time though
but ill save it for you lol priory is a good double outlaw key for funsies
I GOT INTO A KEY
if we dont invite a war theres no way im not last
elder phoenix
if we dont invite a war theres no way im not last
just queue as Sub and you get instant invite
then switch to outlaw right before
frail veldt
im too ethical
elder phoenix
ethical for what no ones getting hurt lol its a simulated game
dense bolt
quaint mauve
if we dont invite a war theres no way im not last
good good gives me enough time
driving gf over to my place to sleep
should be set up in time
elder phoenix
apparently i have so much mastery https://i.imgur.com/1MDyDtP.jpeg
i might just go sub but cant be ass to make weakauras for it sigh
somber plank
I have a question. do we use macro(cancle/adr/gs) after Vanish even during combat?
sorry I use translate.
in fate
gaunt phoenix
Yeah
somber plank
thank you
tender wedge
Nerf hunter
elder phoenix
<@352916297262301194> frac fuck u
wait hjold up is MM still viable after the huge buff to BM
random stirrup
Average hunter lowroll
somber plank
no berf outlaw
lime lake
mm didnt change so why wouldnt it be
elder phoenix
cuz bm does more I think right?
lime lake
it was great and now hunter has a second great spec
ivory valley
any outlaw coaches? i'd like some help with m soul hunters and the spec in general
random stirrup
Mm was the best st spec in the game so they had to buff bm to the best
But it’s still number 2
dawn talon
<@352916297262301194> frac fuck u
dude we killed the boss while i had cat aggro
ive never been so mad
elder phoenix
But it’s still number 2
https://www.warcraftlogs.com/zone/rankings/44?boss=3133 bm higher than mm lol
lime lake
yes bm is stronger
frail veldt
@quaint mauve lmk whenever we depleted lol
quaint mauve
<@367312825607258112> lmk whenever we depleted lol
whats ur bnet
lime lake
overall
frail veldt
dmed ya
frail veldt
that doesnt suddenly make mm unviable
well the question is does mm do more ST in its m+ build than bm
I think it does right?
keen belfry
dude we killed the boss while i had cat aggro
i thought it was rank 1 for a second
lime lake
well the question is does mm do more ST in its m+ build than bm
probably idk, the conversation was about fract tho
well not probably, it definitely does
unless bm is playing dr in keys now
i havent kept up with that
frail veldt
it aint afaik
frail veldt
whats ur bnet
dmed you
fluid iron
that doesnt suddenly make mm unviable
elder phoenix
probably idk, the conversation was about fract tho
lol the highest BM spec for m+ is just ST and not even taking multishot
lime lake
real
lime lake
lol the highest BM spec for m+ is just ST and not even taking multishot
well you play packleader for that
because stampede and dire beasts do so much aoe you dont need multi
so you get back some prio
elder phoenix
i think thats the top build right?
quaint mauve
man its crazy isnt it
keen belfry
rank 2 frac and im tying a purple parsing unholy dk
fathom bramble
sounds about right
keen belfry
sounds about right
new top frac log gaps by 300k, what did china do
fathom bramble
good rng probably
quaint mauve
dont you love lfg
never seen a tank die there
frail veldt
me neither
I think he litearlly turned his back
trying to taunt snipers
for no reason
fathom bramble
I'm free
gaunt phoenix
fathom bramble
hopefully there are no fights next tier with such a massive valley between sub and law
quaint mauve
(my character sheet wa is bugged)
bright crane
lol by looking at that, its either the bm hunter is the leader of the group OR ...
None of the above
There’s a 3rd possibility
Which is that he kept dying
And a 4th that he’s bad
wintry solar
And a secret 5th thing
bright crane
Subscribe to my Patreon to unlock a 5th secret possibility
quaint mauve
whos this dork
frail veldt
@keen belfry triple outlaw 15 eco?
keen belfry
its bed time im just looking at vods
quaint mauve
@frail veldt bro just incinerate all these tanks idk
quaint mauve
im probs off
frail veldt
Fr they're just falling over
keen belfry
i bet 15s are crazy
theres always a range of keys that require decent play that non decent players flood
sacred rune
don't worry you can have these in 12, 13 and 14 too
quaint mauve
theres always a range of keys that require decent play that non decent players f...
but it was 2 warriors tanks in a row
dying within like first 10 minutes
AS A WARRIOR
serene brook
for me 17 key was easier than 16 cuz party was better like x3 times, and tank was like x10 times better. In contrast 16 key experience was awful as heck.
dire quiver
!log
frail veldt
i bet 15s are crazy
very
hardy thicket
its the same story as always, 10-16s are literal MMR hell then when you get to actual decent keys you play LFG-simulator for 10 hours
frail veldt
Works for me
I just want to get resil 16 then I can take a break and play borderlands 4 lol
earnest sphinx
I just want to get resil 16 then I can take a break and play borderlands 4 lol
Do you have a 5090
I run it on 40 fps
grim spear
<@352916297262301194> frac fuck u
I still won by a little, though I’m not really sure why.
vapid sundial
Chinese name
cinder haven
a little? pretty big gap tbh
grim spear
ye, pure luck
cinder haven
7 more tails too
nah, not luck
good play
you had better cloak luck though
or maybe you had better boots?
nah same
grim spear
I had h tier boots
cinder haven
you are macroing adr+gs+vanish, not doing bte bug thing?
grim spear
what bte bug?
cinder haven
it's in one of the pins I think
grim spear
I do macro vanish+adr+gs
cinder haven
I do the same as you, it's nice
stiff glade
I had a HUGE Fract pull yesterday. Was moving towards 5.5M, but then a tank stood in the wrong spot and wiped us at like 5%. I was so sad
Look at that
stiff glade
And then we killed it on the next pull, with just abysmal rolls of course
cinder haven
of course
strong halo
<:kekdog:907207037757296710> I still won by a little, though I’m not really sure...
Holy hell Awang got GAPPED
quaint mauve
And then we killed it on the next pull, with just abysmal rolls of course <:kekd...
i remember i was doing 5.2 one pull
then we wipe at literally .2%