outlaw

[ocean lodge]

I feel like the animation updates made undead worse

[glass mortar]

id prefer to not be a morbidly obese round panda

[ocean lodge]

Something about them be too bouncy

[gaunt phoenix]

healthy weight for pandas

[ocean lodge]

I have an irrational hatred for the dracthyr run cycle

[glass mortar]

its not irrational

they have the worst run in the game

its super goofy and dumb looking, it was complained about in alpha and beta by many many evoker players

and then they never changed it

of course we were also promised body sliders with beefy chad dragonbodies along with our skinny twink dracthyr models

and all we ever got was the twink version so

if ur not gunna let them interact with the entire aspect of the game of mogging, you could at least give them some more body options

[frail veldt]

They have the worst everything

Their animations look like they were crowd sourced from deviant art

[glass mortar]

not everything

their flying animation is quite good

[frail veldt]

Agree to disagree haha

[glass mortar]

so good infact im convinced this entire race was made for their racial flight and they forgot to give them real ground animations

[frail veldt]

The whole model file is off-putting to me

They only have one body style

It's just lazy

[glass mortar]

neltharion would never have settled for this

thats all im gunna say

nice retconning blizzard

💅

[frail veldt]

We COULD HAVE had the valdraken guard models

Those beefboys

[glass mortar]

im planning on leveling a dracthyr warlock in legion remix and it will never be leaving visage form

i cant imagine why ud ever wanna if ur not forced to (evokers)

its also kinda crazy to me they havent added a single appearence to the dracthyr barber since release when its the only way you can even make "armor" on your dracthyr model

[frail veldt]

Yeah thankfully other classes can stay forever human

[glass mortar]

they still just have the same 4 meh models to work with

[frail veldt]

Bro

The armor

For dracthyr

What a fucking miss

[glass mortar]

yup

[frail veldt]

Just turning off mogs for an entire class

What the actual fuck were they thinking lol

[dawn talon]

ngl im happy they didn't add those

bc they would've been fucking hideous

[glass mortar]

????

[frail veldt]

Bad take

[glass mortar]

they looked way better then what we got in the concept art

hard not to be better tho

[dawn talon]

i think all the bulky models in wow just look horrible

[mellow nimbus]

anyone try out Screams of a Forgotten Sky? it sims very high for ST for raid. I got it from doing weekly wasn't sure how good but on wowhead it's considered F tier.

[glass mortar]

i mean it didnt look bulky it looked like a normal human size instead of the anorexic twink dragons we got

it takes a long fight to stack up

its fine if fights r like 5m+ 1 target

probably one of the best trinkets on really long fights but not by enough for people to care

[gaunt phoenix]

it's been buffed since then, it's good but it is ramp

better on longer fights

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/gTXTRM1wWm5hM5CsyE67qW

[spice gull]

should i bother crafting a 720 offhand? i only do m+ so id prob only be swapping to it for bosses

[glass mortar]

probably eventually but it might not be ur best craft right now depending on the OH u are currently swapping to

id just sim it

this deep into crafts u just wanna craft whatever filler for pieces u havent gotten from vault because you should have ur main crafts fairly locked in

so u can just sim what the biggest gain is

[spice gull]

using heroic shitty wep and the cudgel for procs

already got wrists and ring crafted as well

wrist ring belt*

[frail veldt]

why not a mainhand

and use your hero wep as your offhand

on bosses

[gaunt phoenix]

They already have a mh

[glass mortar]

if they havent crafted a mh and r considering an oh im assuming they already have a 720+ mh

this far into sparks

[frail veldt]

aaah sorry though thtye had the hero wep on MH

yeah tbh

im also in the same boat

I have a hero dagger offhand

Im tempted to craft an offhand

[glass mortar]

i crafted a mh then got a mh in my box the next week so im done with weaps for the season ig

could craft a dagger for 0.1% more st

[rapid wave]

"Pistol Shot if you have Opportunity at 3 or less combo points. With Broadside active, only cast at 1 or less combo points unless at 6 stacks of Opportunity."

What is this wording, Pistol Shot if you have Opportunity Buff or Opportunity stacks at 3 ? or less than 3 combo points !??

[gaunt phoenix]

3 or less combo points

[rapid wave]

So its with Opportunity AND at 3 or less combo points

OR

With broadside active, only cast at 1 or less combo points

OR

6 stacks of opportunity (Ignore the combo points)

?

[glass mortar]

its saying if you have an opp proc and 3 or less combo points you send it. If you have broadsides, you only send it if you are at 1 or less combo points, OR at 6 stacks (capped) of opp

[untold yarrow]

does anyone have a good route for pugs in floodgate

[cinder haven]

You need opp proc for the broadside case too, just to be super clear

[rapid wave]

ARRGGGHHH xD

[gaunt phoenix]

you need opportunity to use ps at all

[glass mortar]

you never press PS without an opp proc

so that isnt a complicating factor

or it shouldnt be

[gaunt phoenix]

opportunity is active - 3 or less cps without broadside

opportunity is active - 1 or less cps with broadside

opportunity is active - 6 stacks

[cinder haven]

Not everyone is an outlaw veteran though

[frail veldt]

I press it when im forced out of melee range

idk if its worth the energy

I usually only do that when in subterfuge

[rapid wave]

Amen!

[glass mortar]

that is only worth it if you enter melee with full energy again iirc

[frail veldt]

well

it would be worth as long as you dont run otu of energy

[glass mortar]

like if you left melee for downtime, you'd normally go back into melee with full energy

[frail veldt]

in theory

[cinder haven]

Probably only if you would otherwise cap energy or something

[glass mortar]

if u are low on energy due to spamming PS

then thats just worse

yea basically that

[frail veldt]

naaah

[glass mortar]

i use it when im about to cap

[frail veldt]

as long as you dont run out of energy during the crackshopt

then it was worth

1000%

[glass mortar]

well if ur in crackshot its different

if ur leaving melee during crackshot and u didnt have PS saved up u already messed up pretty bad tho so

do w/e u want

[frail veldt]

happens

[glass mortar]

not to me (ever) 😠

[frail veldt]

plenty of times I have to like move slightly out

and im not gona just skip globals

[cinder haven]

Gotta keep that apm up

[frail veldt]

big true

[cinder haven]

But really I only do it close to full energy

Even in crackshot

I dont wanna come out of crackshot with 0 energy, no bf, no opp no nothing

Maybe if Im sure itll get me an extra bte

[frail veldt]

if things are moving well I usually feel like I have infinite energy

its only on like ST boss fights where energy ever goes low

cuz 1fth is just toxic

[cinder haven]

Yeah with inf energy there is no issue

[frail veldt]

prob just a bad habit from pvp

[civic zephyr]

why does zac use killing spree inside stealth? anyone else do this? i assume its good given its zac

maybe he pops it at the very end of subterfuge?

[vivid vessel]

idk

i dont do that

[cinder haven]

Doubt

[vivid vessel]

maybe i did a mistake once

i dont do mistake tho so thats weird

[civic zephyr]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/d2JaZGXvWzb6M41j?fight=5&type=casts&source=449&view=timeline // https://wowanalyzer.com/report/d2JaZGXvWzb6M41j/5-Mythic++The+Dawnbreaker+-+Kill+(29:39)/Tomelvis/standard

[vivid vessel]

[civic zephyr]

yeah thats another thing lol

thats what mine looks like

[wide coral]

is wow analyzer reliable for outlaw now?

[haughty wigeon]

I don’t think it’s updated

For outlaw

[vivid vessel]

eh

its bugged

[cinder haven]

Maybe it counts damage ticks from ks in stealth

[vivid vessel]

its saying im casting everything in stealth

so idk

[haughty wigeon]

Heck the person that usually updates it for sin dh and ret is taking break from wow

[cinder haven]

When you interrupt ks with vanish

[red zinc]

its probably not updated regardless zac

unless someone else touched it

[civic zephyr]

he presses buttons so fast that sometimes everything just meshes together lol

jkjk

[quaint mauve]

i’ve never seen that site

[vivid vessel]

idk its completly fucked

everything is tagged as in stealth so

look at the timeline if you wanna see ebtter i guess

that part is somehwat correct

[civic zephyr]

your killing spree goes through 2 vanishes?

[glass mortar]

this guy shoots

15s of killing spreeing

[vivid vessel]

no thats the cooldown

[civic zephyr]

ohhhh yeah

[vivid vessel]

you can see the cast in the timeline

[civic zephyr]

i see ok that makes more sense lol

any deal stats to aim for guys?

[gaunt phoenix]

the ks cooldown might be old

90s

[civic zephyr]

i feel like i do less damage every more and more every single day

it pisses me off

[red zinc]

aug tc updated outlaw one

idk if they got around to doing it again

[agile oar]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[haughty wigeon]

Xeph?

[civic zephyr]

what's your average burst numbers in big packs solo?

[red zinc]

think so

[civic zephyr]

zacs buff uptime vs mine lol damn why am i so bad

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[glass mortar]

241%

[civic zephyr]

what would you say

[fallow fractal]

can plz someone explain

[glass mortar]

[civic zephyr]

as average

15 mil?

or more

[red zinc]

because sack of terror doesnt give main stat

[gaunt phoenix]

that trinket doesnt have agility on it

[glass mortar]

anywhere from 10m-18m depending on procs and rolls

18m is like topping out giga rng happens rarely

usually its in the 12-14m area for me if ur just perma on 8+ targets

[civic zephyr]

so its normal that i stuck like shit

on 12-15 mil

then i see a frost dk

[fallow fractal]

yeah but does the agi equal 70 mill ?

[civic zephyr]

and it makes me wanna delete my char

right away

[glass mortar]

yes we are not a burst spec

u will never compare to someone with cds

especially on a big pull

[wintry gate]

yeah, we lose to tanks all time

[fallow fractal]

y we are all about consistant dmg

[wintry gate]

balanced* *

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/aj-befumo-costco-guys-aew-all-elite-wrestling-big-boom-aj-gif-9544147895268490512

[glass mortar]

it can yes

what ur not seeing is u reducing the damage of every single ability in ur details by ~2% or w/e by the trinket not having agility

which serves to decrease how much they do compared to the proc as well

since ur base damage is lower the proc damage will look even higher

[wintry gate]

base agi trinkets are ~5-7% of your total ussually, just dividing amount of agility you ahve vs what it gives

[civic zephyr]

@gaunt phoenix can do me a favor and send your character armory or

pic of your stats?

[fallow fractal]

ok and should i screw this for that ?

[wintry gate]

if a on use is doing less than that, you likely lose

[covert kestrel]

ALLOW US TO ROLL MULTIPLE COPIES OF BUFFS BLIZZ

[wintry gate]

on use dmg trinket rather

[glass mortar]

shuld go with whatever sims higher tbh

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean... the sack of terror is a whole 1% behind other trinkets

it's not like bad

[covert kestrel]

thats what my wife calls me

[gaunt phoenix]

why? my toon is very generic

[covert kestrel]

hes beautiful in his own way

[civic zephyr]

wanna get just a general concept of it

like this is mine

[glass mortar]

unless you dont have enough haste or ur super low ilvl ur gear is not gunna be the reason damage is struggling

[gaunt phoenix]

714

9500 crit
13000 haste
28000 vers

there are probably 70 thousand outlaws with this gear

[glass mortar]

yea stats look fine

i mean anything is fine as long as u are avoiding mastery and have haste cap

[civic zephyr]

i gotta replace warpclaw

not saying its bad but

[wintry gate]

what's wrong with warpclaw

[civic zephyr]

compare to astral

[gaunt phoenix]

should be fine

[glass mortar]

all those trinkets are within like 0.5% dps of each other idk

trinket options r often fake on outlaw

[covert kestrel]

there havent been 70,000 outlaws in the entire existence of the spec

[glass mortar]

i wish i had a netherprism

[wintry gate]

yeah there's more like 1500 outlaw players in raid entirely, at least on mythic rofl

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[vivid vessel]

send your toon

[glass mortar]

solo will send toon if zac sends voice

💅

[gaunt phoenix]

can you tell me how to parse on araz https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/thrall/vaerminà

[glass mortar]

find a group that can barely kill it

so u get to do damage to adds for more then 0.5 nanoseconds

[stiff vector]

^

[vivid vessel]

i also cant parse on araz/naz

xd

[gaunt phoenix]

well ye

you're mythic ctho

[stiff vector]

gather a group of the most dogshit players you can find(maybe put an ad in the services channel saying "paying 1k gold to cute noobs") and bring them to araz

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[desert tendon]

There are 10% of this number in outlaw players

[keen belfry]

yo zac

[stiff vector]

my boss dmg on araz was decent ln(for outlaw) given the fact I had 0 ace procs during dmg amp and lost uptime like 3x having to go drop adds behind the black hole

[fallow fractal]

what about mine

[glass mortar]

vry ugly

green is not the proper color for mastery

please fix this or dont ever ping me again

[keen belfry]

zac

[gaunt phoenix]

btw 7000 agility is like 5.5% dps

to circle back to the sack of terror thing

[fallow fractal]

still dont get your convo if i should change sack for signet

[keen belfry]

guys i have question for zac where ishe?

[gaunt phoenix]

i would for keys

maybe have to sim raid

[vivid vessel]

hi wang

im doing zacrebleu keys awnag

[keen belfry]

hey zac do i really ignore spending comopoints as feral sometimes during berserk?

[stiff vector]

this is like rank 30 boss dmg for outlaw on Araz btw, so not even like I was just griefing the pull

[vivid vessel]

noob

[civic zephyr]

ok i bet this is my biggest issue actually -- zac has 0% 1 buff uptime and 56% 5 buff uptime. if i do my buff rotation properly, im sure that will increase my CPM / ADR uptime

[mighty pivot]

doing zacrebleu keys without streaming it

[vivid vessel]

wtf this guy is a baller

[gaunt phoenix]

im not sure it processes buff counts correctly

[glass mortar]

56% 5 buff uptime what are u looking at is this a 2 minute farm fight with kir or something

[vivid vessel]

im gearing my main with my alt rn

[glass mortar]

lol

[vivid vessel]

kinda crazy stuffs happening

[glass mortar]

that is not normal

or its just not reading correctly

[civic zephyr]

https://wowanalyzer.com/report/d2JaZGXvWzb6M41j/5-Mythic++The+Dawnbreaker+-+Kill+(29:39)/Tomelvis/standard/statistics zacs 18 dawnbreaker

[glass mortar]

beautiful

[stiff vector]

that is not normally

[civic zephyr]

also im watching a zac youtube replay and he never drops down to 1 buff

[vivid vessel]

see these 2 slots

[gaunt phoenix]

that's pretty normal if you dont leave combat much

[vivid vessel]

thats for tomelvis to spend less gildeds

very op !

[glass mortar]

not having 1 buff sounds like he wasnt playing sleight so he was only rolling with LD meaning all ur buffs will be 2+ assuming you dont break out of the loop

but that high 5 buff uptime isnt real for a key

[stiff vector]

brother you already giga saved infinite gilded from raid vault+raid how much more gilded do you need to save

[fading vine]

hey guys, how many stacks do you use Unyielding Netherprism trinket?

[civic zephyr]

i rerolled when a weakaura told me to reroll... ive been relying on a weakaura completely

[gaunt phoenix]

i mean if it's looking at literally 5 buffs active

some kir, some not kir

[vivid vessel]

since it seems they arent uncapping gildess

a lot more

[gaunt phoenix]

that doesnt sound that strange if it's right

[stiff vector]

nah theres no way they dont uncap gilded for turbo boost

that would be diabolical

[civic zephyr]

he has me keep it rolling with broadside + 2 buffs majority of the time

[vivid vessel]

idk

it kinda was toxic

to like

farm 900 giolded

week 1

and then it was already over

[gaunt phoenix]

i dont trust anything with kir rules

[stiff vector]

[cinder relic]

Ya having to mega grind day 1 for all ur gilded was a bit of a headache

[stiff vector]

I guess it is kind of a blizzard thing to do

[cinder relic]

"having to"

[stiff vector]

to not uncap gilded

[latent slate]

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

all the gamers had 700 runed stacked also

[glass mortar]

the timegatings prob good

[vivid vessel]

to spend it all day 1

[keen belfry]

@vivid vessel how many rakes do i spread in aoe?

[vivid vessel]

like idk

[cinder relic]

I'd prefer not feeling obligated to do like, 25 dungeons before raid

[vivid vessel]

it was just so stupid

[dawn talon]

i hope they just double the cap

[vivid vessel]

25?

bro

[dawn talon]

for the first fwe weeks

then uncap

[glass mortar]

also uncap delves

cowards

[dawn talon]

sure

[keen belfry]

hey zac i asked a question a few messages ago

oswalb

[vivid vessel]

@snow vessel

[keen belfry]

how many rakes?

[stiff vector]

weran is a true mole person

bro lives and sleeps in the delves

[glass mortar]

i dont think theres any rake amount u target having out its just a low priority ability that u cast with certain procs or if u have nothing higher prio?

[snow vessel]

!mute @keen belfry

[glass mortar]

so if you hit the rule to cast it u put it up on a new thing

[snow vessel]

I am in raid

will fix more

[vivid vessel]

[gaunt phoenix]

[stiff vector]

[glass mortar]

ok muting awang for a zac ping goes hard af tho

[snow vessel]

I HAVE 20 SEC PULL TIMER

[gaunt phoenix]

!log @keen belfry

[glass mortar]

based

[gaunt phoenix]

oh

[vivid vessel]

nice one buddy

[gaunt phoenix]

i meant the other one

[dawn talon]

LOL

[stiff vector]

aint no way awang got muted for zac @ing ronkley

[vivid vessel]

haha

[stiff vector]

took one for the team awang

o7

[vivid vessel]

ronkles is the feral main right

[gaunt phoenix]

doesnt shiennar play druid?

[vivid vessel]

ah fuck

wrong ping

[stiff vector]

[snow vessel]

ngl

I saw ping ,mid flight

[quaint mauve]

the one day i decide ima walk to school bc it’s nice out

it starts pouring rain

[glass mortar]

psure i gave the accurate multidot raking rule anyway

but awang never listens to me

[gaunt phoenix]

he was actually pinging you to assist in moderation

[glass mortar]

only listens to people with higher io then him

🥹

[vivid vessel]

im sorry i tought you were the cat main i was mistaken

[dawn talon]

not rly a number to aim for, should start shredding things like priory knights insta and otherwise just cast it when you don't have bs

[jolly geyser]

[civic zephyr]

how important is keeping track of the buff containers from 1 to 10 please

like if i follow RTB rules ideally i can ignore it or no?

[glass mortar]

probably like a 2 or 3

[gaunt phoenix]

no you need it

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[glass mortar]

if u just follow the base rtb rules and press RtB one time after kiring ur like 95% of the way there

[gaunt phoenix]

the last part

as your buffs tick down

you will miss rolls if arent tracking it

[glass mortar]

how big is that last rule tho

[gaunt phoenix]

idk

[civic zephyr]

oooo ok, thank you!

[glass mortar]

i feel like the number of times i get to double roll with some kir buffs still existing this season is a couple times a dungeon maybe

i could be underrolling tho

[snow vessel]

!unmute @keen belfry

he can come back

[jolly geyser]

welcome back awank

[vivid vessel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1384149071106932799/1387523703100674100/togif-3.gif

[glass mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-massachusetts-microwave-gif-6177376271775336621

awang this whole time

[keen belfry]

Rake.

[dawn talon]

oh or with SA of course

[keen belfry]

with WHAT?

[gaunt phoenix]

well no it's like a quarter of your rolls

like

you kir 4 buffs then roll

[vivid vessel]

with what

[dawn talon]

sudden ambush man

ffs

[gaunt phoenix]

your buffs are 50 50 38 38

those 38s buffs will tick down and you will roll

[keen belfry]

all these feral buffs and buttons sound SO STUIPD

make sure to bite with apex predators craving

[glass mortar]

otherwise ud delay the roll like 12s

idk it doesnt sound like a quarter of ur rolls total

i feel like i dont notice that second roll much

maybe i just normalized it from last season

[vivid vessel]

do you know what bite means in french

[snow vessel]

I am dk this tier

[gaunt phoenix]

i think almost every kir has a 2nd roll

[dawn talon]

you're a cat

:3

[keen belfry]

what b8ite mean in frenchlandia

[vivid vessel]

cock

[stiff vector]

ok but this one is important dont u wanna cleave big bites?

[keen belfry]

im kinda a blaster on feral

[vivid vessel]

no you aint

[keen belfry]

you disgust me

[vivid vessel]

ty

[keen belfry]

should bloodtalons be tracked like combo points or just an icon, what do you guys think?

[stiff vector]

zac has been in his gooning feels lately...bro needs to be thrown in horny jail

[dawn talon]

icon

for sure

[quaint mauve]

i have a question

[keen belfry]

idk if i like this look

[vivid vessel]

wtf

crazy cuh

[quaint mauve]

if i KiR then roll, if i keep 4 buffs do i roll again?

[stiff vector]

just track talons as an icon with stacks imo

[dawn talon]

take vigil off your wa twin that shit is not healing anybody

u know it

[keen belfry]

onG

[vivid vessel]

awang you need to make all your weak auras public so i can play other specs than rogue

or well

i guess

i kinda wont do that

[keen belfry]

yeah stfu

[craggy barn]

lol

[vivid vessel]

5 rogues incoming again for next expac

[keen belfry]

remember zac mage arc when reading the rogue hero talents

[dawn talon]

when are u playing mage again zac

[vivid vessel]

never

[quaint mauve]

playing other classes sucks for the sole fact i only like my rogue wa

[vivid vessel]

i didnt even finish leveling the mage i think

[vivid vessel]

bro

same ..

[keen belfry]

thats when you use awang for other specs

[stiff vector]

ngl I been thinking about making a druid to play feral since like..DF lmao. Never got around to doing it. Real question I guess is do I learn feral, or mage for turbo boost season

[quaint mauve]

twin

[random stirrup]

awang you need to make all your weak auras public so I can play other specs than rogue

[gaunt phoenix]

if you have 4 yellow 2 red then no

4 yellow 1 red you can, maybe not if red is broadside

[keen belfry]

got u bro

[quaint mauve]

bump

[vivid vessel]

I actually need a name for my fifth rogue btw guys

[craggy barn]

i just make a bare minimum weak aura for other classes i play

[quaint mauve]

oh ty solo

[vivid vessel]

i take suggestions

[glass mortar]

tompelvis

[craggy barn]

zacrogue5

[vivid vessel]

no

[random stirrup]

euawang

[vivid vessel]

for now i have these

[glass mortar]

Zerosss

[craggy barn]

zacinq

[quaint mauve]

the only buffs i don’t like rolling off in this case are bs and rp

[stiff vector]

Zacuette

u know

like baguette

[vivid vessel]

hm

[keen belfry]

this is good @vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

no its not stfu

[keen belfry]

?

how bout

lesserawang

[craggy barn]

zacfotm

[stiff vector]

AwangsDad

[keen belfry]

?

ronkley

get him

[craggy barn]

zacassnation

[vivid vessel]

i had this one idk ..

[keen belfry]

??

[vivid vessel]

i have zacocool

but idk

[random stirrup]

bro said he didnt finish levelling

that thing is level 1

[vivid vessel]

[craggy barn]

zaco

[stiff vector]

I have a few names like that, but I havent logged on them in years in fear Id catch another 1 week ban for name

[dawn talon]

when i run out of names i just start naming them things like oosswwaallbb

[vivid vessel]

ye these are all taken

[quaint mauve]

i mean he’s not wrong xd

[trail sparrow]

how do we use netherprism trinket ?

[vivid vessel]

i didnt even get to take zacro

which im so mad about

like who tf is named zacro ?

[craggy barn]

zacryu

[quaint mauve]

i think at decent amount of stacks b4 vanish?

[vivid vessel]

waiiit

[keen belfry]

thats pretty good

[vivid vessel]

bro thats a banger actually

[stiff vector]

nice name cuh

[vivid vessel]

so ready for midnight

this guy i will level it up by hand from 1 to 80 no cap

(buying a boost rn)

[random stirrup]

ok rate the theme

[craggy barn]

wheres bongus

[vivid vessel]

what it means tho

[quaint mauve]

dwarf 💔

[vivid vessel]

bussybongus

Grippybussy

[random stirrup]

combine 2 stupid words

bungusgrippy is the dk

[vivid vessel]

gappybussy

[craggy barn]

did someone snag zacussy?

[keen belfry]

banger

[random stirrup]

there is NO way

[vivid vessel]

ok..

[random stirrup]

that last one made it through

[vivid vessel]

fortniteporn

[keen belfry]

lvl 19

every so often i log in and message my guild sup

[vivid vessel]

ok i think im yeeting zacuwu

[random stirrup]

ok i take this idea

[vivid vessel]

to get zacussy and zacuh in

instead

cant have 6 rogues

only 5

[random stirrup]

we plant random alts with stupid names in the guild for our gm to discover later

how tf is porn allowed

[vivid vessel]

well he is level 19

so

[random stirrup]

is it not autobanned word?

crazy

[vivid vessel]

its allowed up until he goes to dornogal

ah ye true idk

[stiff vector]

I have a level 50 pally named holydildo

[vivid vessel]

ye thats a nice one

zacock tho ..

[dawn talon]

proud owner of VUDU FRAAAIIIZZZZ

[keen belfry]

this is banger name

[vivid vessel]

ok

wtf

thats an insane one

[keen belfry]

its so good

mop remix character

mop remix was so goated

[vivid vessel]

guys

if they bring back

legion mage tower

in the legion thing

call me ok

[keen belfry]

its just cooked cuz

how r u supposed to play remix

when .5 comes out

s4 was so ass but it was good for random bs like this

[quaint mauve]

you have to decide….

[stiff vector]

how do they expect me to play legion remix when mage tower transmogs arent in there

wouldabeen a massive W

giga engagement

[frank kindle]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[vivid vessel]

is it confirmed its not in tho

or like

a small chance still ?

no ?

surely legion classic tho

[stiff vector]

idk doesnt seem like it

[vivid vessel]

can i get mogs in legion classic and keep them for retails

or

where is classic rn

[stiff vector]

unless they pull like the biggest surprise of the century out of their ass

[vivid vessel]

are we soon at legion

[stiff vector]

like on day of release "oh btw mage tower transmogs are available in legion remix"

not a very blizzard thing to do tbh, its cooked

[keen belfry]

where is zac copy pasta

on cps

[vivid vessel]

(COMBO POINTS)

[jolly geyser]

[vivid vessel]

@keen belfry thoughts on zacrebleu

he is a baller

[random stirrup]

bro got the boe ring but couldnt fix those enchants

smh

[vivid vessel]

im able to spend so little gildeds on him thanks to the 720 ilvl achiev

kinda crazy

[vivid vessel]

hc tbf

so it cost like 300k

[random stirrup]

enchants 5k

[keen belfry]

how belt 723?

[urban epoch]

what the actual f* 😮

[random stirrup]

8761 polyvalence

[keen belfry]

oh wait the achieve is 720 thats op

[vivid vessel]

i used gildeds on it cuh

but i did that so i can upgrade tomelvis one

for 10 a pop

crazy shit

no cap

[urban epoch]

think this could work well on outlaw ?

[ashen vortex]

Hello, can someone help me with my logs and understand what i'm doing wrong ?

[urban epoch]

I mean 8761+ versatility on a ring seems insane right ?

[keen belfry]

the discount is slot basedd?

[vivid vessel]

ye

once you have the achiev

i can up my neck and belt on main

for 10 gilded a pop

and on alt i just up every slot for 10 a pop

crazy stuffs no capi

its per slot tho ye

[red zinc]

how you making all these characters but not tomdelvis

[vivid vessel]

wtf does tomdelvis mean

[red zinc]

tomelvis but its delve

[vivid vessel]

i see

[jolly geyser]

tomcervix

[red zinc]

RIP TO ALL THE MEN DIED IN THE SERVICE

[random stirrup]

he is already delver!

[jolly geyser]

tomspenis

[random stirrup]

tomdelvis

[proven ocean]

Tompelvis

The legend

[red zinc]

why tf did you dothat many delves

[jolly geyser]

tomussy

[vivid vessel]

zacussy in the works already

[red zinc]

fake footage

[next shuttle]

Hi, was there a readjustment to IO score?

[robust berry]

Guys, if you roll natural 5 buffs do you wait until they are almost expiring and then KIR or KIR right away and it will keep the timer

[next shuttle]

I just timed a 12 eco dome and got 40 points even though I had a 15 timed. Looking at raider.io all my in game scores are higher than the ones reported on the website

[frail veldt]

thats weird lol

they do retroactively give you keys timed if you were like 10s over

and they nerf a key later on

[jolly geyser]

slighty above time on 15?

[frail veldt]

so maybe you were over time yeah

the first time you did it on a 15

[jolly geyser]

or 12 was giga fast

[frail veldt]

or maybe you had done a 16

just over time

[next shuttle]

Now my ingame scores are 414, 411, 411, 411, 410, 410, 410, 410 while raider.io shows this

[vivid vessel]

idk

maybe wow bugged

[frail veldt]

rofl

everyong log in

free io

[next shuttle]

I had to time a key first, and it was my third key of the day

[jolly geyser]

lets see

[vivid vessel]

are you guys na or

[next shuttle]

NA

[vivid vessel]

nvm

im also fucked apparently

[frail veldt]

rofl

[urban epoch]

so waht are wee thinking guys ? (9000+ versa maxed) think it's good for outlaw and worth the stat loss ?

[next shuttle]

I +2'd a 12 eco dome, then +2'd a 12 HOA and then +2'd another 12 eco-dome and this is when I gained the extra score

[urban epoch]

idk what to do with it tbh ^^'

[vivid vessel]

ye every key is a few mroe io

wonder what happen

[vivid vessel]

bro what stat loss

its just a vers ring

its good

we like vers

[urban epoch]

sims slightly lower than crafted ring and haste versa ring

[royal ermine]

score was definitely bugged since the start of the season would just assume they finally decided to fix it

[keen belfry]

who here has played fellowship

[vivid vessel]

how do you mean

[royal ermine]

because you needed 7 13s 1 12 to get 3k this season when last it was 3 13s 5 12s

[keen belfry]

someone just said the classes are similiar in indpethness stuff

[royal ermine]

rio and in game was also off the first 2 weeks

with rio being higher because it had the proper score

[next shuttle]

I just find it confusing that if there was a readjustment then why don't I see an announcement?

[vivid vessel]

its blizzard

[frail veldt]

Tbh it's entirely possible it was an accident

[next shuttle]

Yeah, guess it could have been unintentional

[dire quiver]

Can I request some help with logs?

[dawn talon]

i got bored in less than an hour

i was playing the rogue girl and it's very simple

it's like you mixed classic with ffxiv really, not too similar to retail wow at all

[keen belfry]

whats it like

[dawn talon]

if that's your thing, go ahead, but probably not for me lol

tanking objectively fucking sucks in that game though

so boring i felt sick

[safe pasture]

is echo bugged? just did a 14 with my boy who has it as a 15 we both ended up getting +41 io from a + chest and again he had a 15 timed of the same key

[urban epoch]

no diminishing reeturn at this point though ?

[safe pasture]

seems unintended

[vivid vessel]

eh doesnt matter much

[dawn talon]

DR doesn't make other stats more valuable

[spice gull]

what was min haste req again? 15% or 18%?

[dawn talon]

and our other stats are sooo ass that vers at 30% value is better

[gaunt phoenix]

19% but 18% is acceptable

[urban epoch]

it would push my versa at 47% or something

[gaunt phoenix]

47% vers

[vivid vessel]

you prol.ly are losing too much haste

thats why its a loss

idk send the sim

[hybrid crown]

Or crit right

[urban epoch]

i'm currently not playing KIR

[vivid vessel]

weird of you

[urban epoch]

and it replaceed my crafted crit versa ring at -1.8%

[vivid vessel]

send the sim still tho

[spice gull]

17% haste atm

[urban epoch]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/ihvzJ82Ghdr69SsxRwwW3F

[vivid vessel]

ye add sockets to it

[vivid vessel]

here lil +

and you add max sockets

its just a +6 ilvl increase on ring tho it wont like

look crazy

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/7pJXCMnqGuFB9c9UoWsxHg

you are missing haste tho it seems

also use diff colored gems

for the main stat gem

wil lbe better

[frail veldt]

it literally does lol

if there was no vers DR youd never even bother with crit

but at least for my sims, a crit flask started winning over vers at around 40%

[urban epoch]

oh yeah ? 12 ish is not enough for HO ?

[hybrid crown]

Same I use crit flask now

[vivid vessel]

doesnt matter

you sim and dont think about it

[urban epoch]

(currently on dimensisu as outlaw, I can't reply as fast as i'd like to lmao)

[vivid vessel]

12 is the minimum

but ho dont mind more

[craggy barn]

solo is there a way to advance sim the different flasks

[gaunt phoenix]

Well vers still gets less valuable whether it DRs or not

Going from a 1.4x to 1.45x multiplier is a lower gain than 1.1 to 1.15x

[gaunt phoenix]

flask=flask_of_tempered_aggression_3```
Etc

[craggy barn]

i assume 3 is the rank

[gaunt phoenix]

ye

[urban epoch]

i simmed with some more haste and somehow, % went down

[agile oar]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[frail veldt]

oh true

vers inherently has a double DR

but I guess crit does too right?

in theory

[glass mortar]

Every stay has natural dr

[frail veldt]

no

[glass mortar]

Just by factor of multiplying off each other

[frail veldt]

haste doesnt

cuz haste is a divisor right?

[vivid vessel]

stfu you nerd

[glass mortar]

110% haste multiplying 10% vers would be a larger gain then 125% haste etc

This has always happened tho

[frail veldt]

like 10% haste in theory would be 1s to 0.9 gcd but 20% haste would be 0.9->0.8 whic is actually MORE than a 10% increase

[glass mortar]

Having alot of a secondary increases value of other secondaries

[frail veldt]

other way around

right?

[glass mortar]

No

[frail veldt]

10% haste would reduce gcd from 1->0.9s which is 0.1/1s so a 10% reduction in gcd. But 10%->20% haste woudl reduce gcd from 0.9->0.8 so 0.1/0.9 which is 11%

[pallid wraith]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sonny-i-robot-gif-23790834

[glass mortar]

This is why in later seasons almost every spec ends up going some vers even back before they added artificial drs

Even haste mastery specs

[frail veldt]

so going from 10%->20% haste reduces your gcd by 11%

and goingg from 0->10% haste reduces your gcd by only 10%

[glass mortar]

Well haste gcd caps at 100% but that's not what I was talking about

[frail veldt]

me neither

but read the example I shared

is my logic busted?

cuz it seems like haste in theory is more valuable the more you have(ignoring the blizz DR)

[glass mortar]

The gcd gain is linear as far as I know

[frail veldt]

its not though

[glass mortar]

Which is why 100% is half a gcd

[frail veldt]

it is from 0->X

but from 0->X->Y it increases

[glass mortar]

At 10% haste ur gcd is reduced by 10%, at 20% its reduced by 20%

Is increasing from 10 to 20% more then 0 to 10% there

[frail veldt]

like take an extreme example. 50% haste to 60% haste is 0.5->0.4s gcd(yes I know this doesnt work in game but work with me). and 0.5->0.4s is actually a 20%!!! reduction in gcd

[frail veldt]

but 10 to 20% is more than a 10% reduction

so every 10% you get

is MORE than 10%

it compounds

[glass mortar]

If that was true the specs that like haste would like it more as they got more of it up to dr

Which is not what happens

[frail veldt]

it is true...

this is how it works lol

[glass mortar]

So I dont think that works

[frail veldt]

theres other reasons why specs dont do that

because for every haste you have

[glass mortar]

What ur talking about isn't the Dr I was talking about anyway

[frail veldt]

your OTHER stats also go up in value

same with crit

[glass mortar]

Yes that's what I was talking about

[cinder haven]

But isnt 100% haste only cutting cast time in half

[glass mortar]

Yes

[frail veldt]

yeah true

[glass mortar]

Which doesn't make sense if it's compounding

[frail veldt]

holup leme redo the math

[cinder haven]

And 100 more cuts 50% in half

[glass mortar]

Someone with 10% haste should have 10% more casts assuming every ability is 1 gcd

[frail veldt]

ah so it is linear then ye?

[glass mortar]

Someone with 100% has twice as many

[frail veldt]

so every 100% haste cuts gcd in half

[cinder haven]

Think so

[frail veldt]

I forgot cuz we technically start with a base haste of 100%

so 50% haste puts you down from 1s->0.666s gcd so a 33% reduction in gcd. and another 50% to 100% would go from 0.666->0.5s which is still 33% reduction in gcd

dayum

so haste goes linear value which vers has diminishing value?

[cinder haven]

Maybe, Im not sure about 100 cutting it in half

[frail veldt]

p sure youre right about it

cuz from what I remember how gcd calculation works its base_gcd/1+haste%

[cinder haven]

Would make sense at least

[glass mortar]

At 100% you hit 0.75s gcd which is the floor yea

From 1.5s standard gcd

[proven ocean]

not an ad

stuck in loadingscreen for a long ass while 💀

never seen max stream longer than 2 hours while doing nothing

[bleak dock]

What's the better spec if I'm mainly doing keys?

Sub or OL?

[proven ocean]

whatever u like more

[bleak dock]

that close?

sick

[proven ocean]

nah

sub is abit better but

outlaw is fine

[bleak dock]

ahh

does OL play HO in keys?

[proven ocean]

outlaw is good in physical comps

no kir

[bleak dock]

im goin to cry

[proven ocean]

idk how much worse ho is but if u compare ho and sub u just play sub

[bleak dock]

bet bet

OL still uses GS?

[worldly sinew]

Get urself a Brew a Resto and just CHOO CHOO dont stop combat. KiR OL keys.

[urban epoch]

reminds me of some path of exile streamers during league launch lmao

[bleak dock]

a man can dream

[urban epoch]

@glass mortar @frail veldt damn, i'll have a ton of stuff to read after the raid, some TC is always nice 😄

[frail veldt]

its mostly yap haha just me rediscovering how something works that I should have remembered

[proven ocean]

weran and mewo tc scares me

sounds microwaved

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-massachusetts-microwave-gif-6177376271775336621

[frail veldt]

there was no tc we were just talking about how different stats inherently have dr compared to others

and how vers kinda sucks for scaling

[hasty warren]

https://www.wowhead.com/news/more-mythic-score-for-all-keys-12-and-above-due-to-bug-fix-378563?utm_source=discord-webhook

[quaint mauve]

is it not like 9%

[vivid vessel]

like 5

[quaint mauve]

ah

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel that you?

[vivid vessel]

wtf cuh

[proven ocean]

we get baguettes in winter zac

winter is december right?

or

[tender wedge]

When I simmed HO vs KiR in dslice it was close to 10% below

[proven ocean]

the dagger

[vivid vessel]

ye i saw its cool

i wish it was a sword aswell tho ..

wont even be abkle to use it

[proven ocean]

a sword would've made sense

who would use a baguette to kill dimensius in the first place

nothing makes sense anyway

[vivid vessel]

right

[proven ocean]

so make a sword

[agile orchid]

Zac thinks outlaw will be playable by then

Enjoy your sub life

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel told u sub will fall off

[frail veldt]

depends on what hemisphere

[proven ocean]

theres only 1 sub guy but

[frank finch]

i just read tc

[proven ocean]

idk hes abit of a pugger i think

[frank finch]

ffs

how much more can we take

[vivid vessel]

isnt every rogue playing sub lol

or wdym

[proven ocean]

no or

wox, chinese guy

both not sub or

chinese is assa i think

i guess he swaps

[vivid vessel]

ok wox and me arent to be accounted for

and the chinese is sub

[frail veldt]

is mortiz sub?

rip

[vivid vessel]

nvm he is both idk

[proven ocean]

well

its just the usual players zac

[vivid vessel]

then the other chinese is sub

[proven ocean]

no one extra

like

[frail veldt]

also maximus is def outlaw

[proven ocean]

theres 0 proof that sub is good atm

its just ok dmg

[vivid vessel]

ye i mean

[proven ocean]

and no flexibility

[vivid vessel]

i can assure you tho

[frail veldt]

theres 0 proof outlaw is good atm

[proven ocean]

it sucks to play sub imo

[vivid vessel]

it does infinite more damage than ouitlaw

[frail veldt]

so

[proven ocean]

maybe not in ur comp honestly

[vivid vessel]

eh

you should check some logs

so like ross

im 719 they are 714

im bottom overall every key

and then in keys like arakara and shit

my prio damage

on important mobs

is so low half the pulls im under tank

on big mob

so like

idk

[proven ocean]

[vivid vessel]

and then im getting gapped in st aswell

[proven ocean]

well sub is the same kinda they either evisc

or bp

[vivid vessel]

fury does like 2mil more dps in st

[proven ocean]

which are both the opposite

evisc wont do good aoe at all

but bp

wont do big prio at all either

[vivid vessel]

i mean bro

i can press evis the whole dungeon

i will do more aoe than outlaw lol

[daring oxide]

rogue is dead until midnight

when they delete class

[proven ocean]

i mean

u think so idk

well

[vivid vessel]

im legit convinced of that

[proven ocean]

i think its not good to compare sub to outlaw

because outlaw is already rly bad

and nothing is worse

almost

but

sub isn't even top 10

ppl were saying its top 3 strongest

[vivid vessel]

maybe

idk

[proven ocean]

which is huge cope

i dont see anyone playing it now

at all

im sure casual wont play it

[vivid vessel]

i think sub is decent and you are underestimating it a bit

but idk

[proven ocean]

he will end up playing dk

or hunter

or something

nah

im not

[vivid vessel]

issue is casual just reroll now

[proven ocean]

cuz if its good

ppl will play it

but

no one is

[vivid vessel]

he doesnt play rogue unless its the best specin the game

[proven ocean]

just the rogues

not relaly tho

he plays rogue some seasons

when its almost as good

this time it isn't almost as good

its just very behind

[vivid vessel]

casual havent really played rogue in tww

[earnest sphinx]

yo zac where stream boss

[proven ocean]

well

he did in s1

[vivid vessel]

team afk

[proven ocean]

didnt ppl not play assa except him

[vivid vessel]

i mean he played enhance ross

[proven ocean]

then they realized oh its decent in some keys

[earnest sphinx]

gg

[vivid vessel]

in s1

he played assa in 2 dungeons

3 sorry

[urban epoch]

well I traded the ring to my guild, some good gold for the team is always nice

[vivid vessel]

ara dawn and city

[proven ocean]

in mdi he swapped

[vivid vessel]

ye

[proven ocean]

for the money cuz it was slightly better so

but on alll his live keys

all on rogue

[vivid vessel]

ye but mdi was legit all season this season

it lasted forever

i remmeber

was so cringe

[proven ocean]

but like u see my point right like look at the comps

[vivid vessel]

ye