outlaw

[gaunt phoenix]

you can do both

[stiff vector]

Guess I might as well gear another alt with turbo gooning soon

[vivid vessel]

guys ..

[stiff vector]

Zac!

Stop it

You have enough gear

[covert kestrel]

not full vers, 3/10 would not bang

[stiff vector]

Think that’s the max vers it can have

[vivid vessel]

nah

yuo can get full vers

but it cost too much

will buy later maybe

[covert kestrel]

they can be single statted

[stiff vector]

Yes obv

But that isn’t the adaptable it’s aurora

[vivid vessel]

its the boe

one

it can be any stat

idk what you mean

@minor trellis i was watching your video, one thing that maybe could help you for future situations like these is something i started doing on dimensius, a step macro that can only target allies with a mouseover, so you can roughly step people while mouseovering a clump of guys, or a specific guy, without missclicking on the boss, i used that for all of p2 steps, and p3 rings steps

[random stirrup]

mouseover,help step goated

[vivid vessel]

it does mean i have legit 5 diff steps now

but ye

[indigo token]

YO WAIT

[vivid vessel]

what

buffon?

ye you are

noob !

[indigo token]

its 2 cavendishes

[random stirrup]

it kinda looked like he was using a cancelaura during the fall before dimmy damage amp btw

is that a thing

[indigo token]

they give 3x mult

[random stirrup]

cancel the fall to step faster

[vivid vessel]

who me?

[random stirrup]

no shindig

[vivid vessel]

i havent finished watching

and i was mostly listening

but i do use a macro on dimmy

step flag

[frail veldt]

are they uncapping crests when turbo boost comes?

[random stirrup]

yes i have one for each add and dimmy himself

[vivid vessel]

ye

[frail veldt]

turbo boost is the ilvl cap increase for myth items right?

[random stirrup]

but it looked like he was cancelling the fall somehow

maybe u knew

[vivid vessel]

nah

just step flag

[stiff vector]

Thx for the tip Zac cuz I will be in dimmy sub prison soon

[vivid vessel]

or like /startattack step

[wintry solar]

What are you doing step flag?

[vivid vessel]

to just do that

but step flag you kinda win a gcd basically

[random stirrup]

yeye

[vivid vessel]

cuase you dont need to react to it

[random stirrup]

is very nice on adds to skip the demount bind too

[cinder relic]

Jealous?

[random stirrup]

mashy mashy step flag bind

[icy cedar]

hmm i think so, but i guess it didnt explicitly say

[indigo token]

YOOO

https://tenor.com/view/balatro-gif-6495888362340853940

honestly

if they remove RTB

im gonna be mad

because i farmed LOU rep for the high roller title

[stiff vector]

It only takes 5 step macros 8 targeting macros 3 bte macros 4 kick macros to be a 3 spec freakazoid these days

[indigo token]

[stiff vector]

[random stirrup]

the amount of macros i had to delete from other specs

crazy stuff

insane that theres a hardcap

[rich moon]

they said something about removing RTB

?

[indigo token]

no

but if they do

im gonna be peeve

d

[wintry solar]

They just mentioned simplifying the spec which is so vague all guesses are equal

[rich moon]

interesting, I have no idea how they could "simplify" it without reworking everything tho

[wintry solar]

They brought up keep it rolling the first time outlaw was mentioned

[rich moon]

I just want a single target buff

[wintry solar]

And then there's how loaded vanish is that could use some pruning.

[rich moon]

and uncapped aoe >:v

yeah, vanish is a problem, especially on solo content

which could be solved by returning shadow dance or an equivalent to us

[wintry solar]

Call me crazy but a spec should work flawlessly in all content

I'm not talking about the need for uptime, that's totally different.

[icy cedar]

i think Blizzard's obsession with balance is the problem. Harder specs should do more damage. Outlaw needs more procs and more conditional rotation situations and higher APM

but needs to be compensated with even more damage

200 apm outlaw -> infinite damage

[earnest vapor]

is 22% haste overboard?

[indigo token]

i cant tell if im being trolled

[cinder haven]

hmm got some serious graphics lag in floodgate today

[gaunt phoenix]

a little

[earnest vapor]

tragic stat line

[gaunt phoenix]

😨

[wintry solar]

Wdym

[indigo token]

jurble

[wintry solar]

I'd never troll you, personally.

Oh yeah

[icy cedar]

no I'm serious

[indigo token]

ok

whats 200/60

[icy cedar]

"Class balance" is an albatross around Blizzard's neck

that prevents good spec design

[gaunt phoenix]

"should harder specs deal more damage" debate goes back to the launch of wow

[vivid vessel]

solo i fixed it

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[wintry solar]

Yeah I'm not touching it anymore

[earnest vapor]

but genuinely is there a way to not get this mastery garbage on every single gear* piece

[slate forge]

Your just prepared for the great outlaw mastery rework

[earnest vapor]

yeah i can see it, increases chance to get all 6 buffs based on your mastery %

[stuck sparrow]

outlaw not liking mastery

kind of just goes to the adopted child meme

[wintry solar]

Ikr

[indigo token]

if mastery improved the chances of rtb

[wintry solar]

Frankly I find that more offensive when trying to swap specs than the weapons

[indigo token]

it might feel really bad

[stuck sparrow]

Probably doesnt help most people i kno

say outlaw is a dumb spec concept

who dont even play the class

[wintry solar]

Every roll being 5 buff rolls would be like you favorite holiday being everyday.

Loses its spark

[slate forge]

Blizz thinks the same

[stuck sparrow]

Telling lfr larry that he has to roll dice

[red zinc]

theres so much they can do and so little input they're taking from us

[stuck sparrow]

to do damage

[red zinc]

im just gonna wait

[stuck sparrow]

bad perception

[slate forge]

Tell what I check the hiring every day no dev in site

[wintry solar]

Try telling him that's not even the rng heavy part of the spec lol

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah i mean most people are so heavily behind on how rogue works

they still think sub has funnel

hasnt had since 2018

[red zinc]

i mean it TECHNICALLY does

[red zinc]

more combo points from surrounding mobs

shits irrelevant

[slate forge]

So we have funnel with bf POG

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah with trickster even less because they dont storm on aoe much anymore

less damage than bladeflurry reskin #2

[slate forge]

Why not craft the wep for free from story mode?

[granite merlin]

How the hell do you keep ad rush up in streets like when boss interrogates you or for the stupid play music, or throw, briefcases

Everything is a nightmare to keeping ad rush going lol

[hollow portal]

exiting the key with the prism loaded to re-enter without losing the stack still works?

[wintry solar]

Hopefully that shit is GONE next expac

[random stirrup]

cloak interrogate

briefcase should be fast with grapple

music boss get very sad

[granite merlin]

Haha

[random stirrup]

or hold vanish for the intermissions

[covert kestrel]

Evasion the third boss in menagerie spin

[granite merlin]

lol yesterday my friend feigned the interrogation to me and I vanished it back to him

[stiff vector]

with decent rng you can evasion every menagerie spin

[granite merlin]

It confused everyone in our group

Ty this is all good advice 🙂

I was doom spiraling after having a 2:00 cooldown in the music fight lol

[covert kestrel]

Does the extra action break outlaw stealth in music boss

[harsh quartz]

I'm currently only raiding heroic and only getting mytic peices here and there from the vault.. my current heroic boots sim better than the cloak boots off the DHs.. anyone else finding those boots useless to them or might the sims be wrong?

[gaunt phoenix]

can you link the sim, want to check something

[harsh quartz]

you want to see my droptimizer sim?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

[vivid vessel]

[harsh quartz]

re running it right now

[gaunt phoenix]

Well it's in your history right

[harsh quartz]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/xu9pjX4i1gVvyucsoDvPJK

I ran it under the guise everything would be 6/6 hero

well now it's showing a 0.1% upgrade lol

but they just don't seem that important

[gaunt phoenix]

oh you would lose haste

By wearing them

[harsh quartz]

yeah man keeping that haste happy is a bitch

I've bought like 836 gems this season lol

[gaunt phoenix]

so would need to make up that 1300 haste elsewhere

could buy boe belt

[harsh quartz]

if I do a gear compare (i know it's not 100% accurate) and put on a 704 BOE belt and 704 boots (since I don't have the gilded to upgrade higher) my DPS drops by 16k

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/6TmWHfofwWQN5DQv53TMQ8

[gaunt phoenix]

The boots dont work in gear compare unfortunately

[harsh quartz]

ahhhhh there it is

so don't pass on the boots if I get the chance, got it

[gaunt phoenix]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/8BcBA44rkFMzpc1788tstP

[lofty pike]

is there a list which spells get reduced by feint?

[gaunt phoenix]

!def

[ornate heath]

Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <

[gaunt phoenix]

more or less

[wise finch]

Hey, getting back to try outlaw after like 2 seasons, and have a question: Is there a reason not to play dagger in offhand ? Because I have a 720 crafted dagger with embellishment ready for offhand, but don't if there is any loss by playing it

[gaunt phoenix]

no it's good, slightly better even

!oh

[ornate heath]

A dagger offhand is technically like 0.2% better than a slow weapon because it generates more Instant Poison procs. That is the only difference, Fatal Flourish proc rate is normalized to be unaffected by the change in attack speed. Note that item level or stats will matter more than this quirk, or you can simply use a slow weapon anyway for transmog.

[vital venture]

!prepull

[gaunt phoenix]

raid or key?

[vital venture]

raid

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vital venture]

is the rtb here the one that says roll now whenever its good?

[gaunt phoenix]

1. RTB way before the pull for supercharger
2. A few seconds before the pull, use blade flurry if there is upcoming aoe
3. On pull, fatebound opens with this macro

/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```
followed by roll the bones > bte
4. if trickster, then you dont need macro, just AR+RTB

[vital venture]

appreciate it thanks

[gaunt phoenix]

No but it tells you when your buffs are above the container (yellow border)

[lucid sandal]

There's something I don't get on these bosses

[cedar kernel]

[vivid vessel]

!up

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1403486905915408524/Dark_Mode.jpg

[dawn talon]

parsing on araz is impossible now people do too much damage to adds and you get maybe 2 gcds on them after they go through the puddles

[forest bloom]

jesus crhist

[frank finch]

well the main reason is cuz with lust on amp phase u skip a phase

[forest bloom]

i wanted to play rouge. outlaw. 9 days in after i quit my mage cause i hate that burst spec.

[frank finch]

so parse = goodbye

[forest bloom]

but god damn is that a clusterfuck of buffs and procs ...

[indigo token]

BLIZZARD

PLEASE

[dawn talon]

that aswell ye

[fleet knot]

!log

[delicate seal]

for SH, is your raid too bad at hitting high hp target

cuz if so and then you get more 2t than 3t that contributes

[indigo token]

hey guys

you wanna hear great

news

I was just perma benched

I fucking hate outlaw rogvue

I blame blizzard

[glass mortar]

i perma benched myself

its ok

tis the season

[lucid sandal]

Probably playing outlaw next week ngl

sub*

[heavy mason]

I feel like I'm doing something terribly wrong on outlaw Idk when to use vanish

[glass mortar]

it depends on ur build

trickster u do it basically whenever you can (it isnt clashing with coup or kspree)

fatebound has more specific rules

[daring oxide]

bro this is insane, 5ilvls on me

[earnest vapor]

you can go to the panda woman at the m+ portal and she does it to you instantly

[heavy mason]

Yeah I don't really understand what it does/buffs

[glass mortar]

well during subterfuge your between the eyes has no cooldown and does a bunch of bonus damage (it casts a dispatch)

so the idea is during these windows you want to cast as many 5+ CP btes as you can

[heavy mason]

Ooooh

I'm gonna give that a shot

thanks alot!

[serene brook]

hc fractilus, i lol'd

i was like 15 place out of 30

[earnest vapor]

i can imagine 5 blue parse fdks on the top

[dim falcon]

is there a way that I can share my loggs and someone tells me whats my mistakes? I dont get it. The others are shooting bte 30x more

[delicate seal]

Vods are better for outlaw

You'd be surprised how much you can catch if you record yourself and watch it back .75x

Use some gcd history thingy to make it easier to read

[long barn]

Guys.

[glass mortar]

you can type !log and post ur logs and someone might review them

[long barn]

It’s time for a wowhead post

[vivid vessel]

its not even over yet ..

[glass mortar]

it tends to get a bit backed up tho cause reviewing outlwa logs sucks

[vivid vessel]

@daring oxide

[delicate seal]

https://wago.io/b9euX-znp

[proper veldt]

dslice sim reveal

[vivid vessel]

potentially I get neck from raid that is + 3 neck ilvl, boots + 4 ilvl

[vivid vessel]

i still have 15 crests in bag

and i will upgrade a belt on alt

[proper veldt]

aye he has the new bundle transmog !

[vivid vessel]

so my belt on main will cost me 10 gilded per level

[proper veldt]

it looks kinda cool

[vivid vessel]

instead of 15

which is kinda insane tech im ngl

and i will craft a neck on alt so i can upgrade the neck on main the same way

at this point idk

too much gilded even

[daring oxide]

eh how?

[vivid vessel]

swimming in gilded

i have the achiev

cause 720 ilvl

so if you upgrtade a piece

[serene brook]

grey schemes involved ngl

[vivid vessel]

its discounted on other char

so look

since i crafted a neck on alt

or since i will sorry

this will cost 10

10

i crafted

wait i crafted

thats crazy

im too good at the game

[serene brook]

719.88 r u insane zac

[vivid vessel]

its not over bro ...

im 720+ at the end of the week ok

im just holding a few things back

for better boost

[glass mortar]

holy fuk ur gunna do megafuck damage on dimi as outlaw with that gear

outlaw scales crazy good

[vivid vessel]

[serene brook]

[glass mortar]

[vivid vessel]

i did a key

with randoms

18 dawn

mage almost did same adamage as me

4 ilvl under

[glass mortar]

i mean thats nice for him tho

[serene brook]

still good dmg with only war in party

[glass mortar]

imagine getting to compete with the best outlaw in the world in keys as a rando pug

[vivid vessel]

ye

[glass mortar]

ur giving them such fun experiences

[vivid vessel]

quite cool

[glass mortar]

!!

[vivid vessel]

im so excited to bottom overall

in my group

murtaz is 714 ilvl btw

outdamage me every dungeon

[serene brook]

ezpz for feral uncap meow

[dim falcon]

!log https://de.warcraftlogs.com/reports/p4cXFTAzjbDYV2k3?type=damage-done&targetclass=Boss&fight=2&source=8

[vivid vessel]

Miaou

[glass mortar]

imagine trying to compete with outclaw

dont u know u got a target cap bozo

[bright crane]

Hey but did you see Blizz gave us a new opportunity to give them $30?? Be grateful!!

[serene brook]

buff for outlaw? better take these fancy swords for 30 euro

[haughty wigeon]

Imagine spending real money on it

[vivid vessel]

Ye .m

[haughty wigeon]

Goblin maxing boy

[wintry solar]

I don't have to. I will next week

[vivid vessel]

I know right ..

[wintry solar]

They should give Dark Simulacrum to Outlaw

[haughty wigeon]

For the low low price of 900k

[stiff vector]

bro...actually wtf is this spec how tf did I just do 6m dps to soazmi LOL

[slate forge]

Even fury has 14% less uptime and still beat outlaw

[wintry solar]

Well

Fury also has CDs

[keen belfry]

who can teach me feral rn

[granite merlin]

lol after playing outlaw for first time this season it’s very difficult to play anything else. Everything feels like tissue paper I have no idea how I stayed alive on hunter

[long barn]

Only way we fix this is voice it. Someone gonna have to make a news article

[stiff vector]

I think if I play hunter in streets instead of outlaw, we deadass would gain like... 3+ min just from how much faster we would be on last 2 bosses alone lol

[granite merlin]

lol this is my problem when I check logs I’m like how did dude have 47 more bte than me

[delicate seal]

check your casts breakdown

[mighty pivot]

do pets even give a frick about the walls the last boss puts up?

[delicate seal]

dont think so

[stiff vector]

you dont wanna see it lol

its like all black arrow spam

[delicate seal]

do you like how

we thought crackshot was cool

but then they gave hunters

basically a better bte

that also cleaves

splashes

from more range

etc etc etc

[mighty pivot]

perks of playing a class with an active dev

[vivid vessel]

[delicate seal]

BM was underrepresented in RWF so they gave it a buff, to 7m st

sin was getting like what, 8% more dmg on caustic

so that got instantly patched out

without bug checking etc

just rolled it out

on a weekday

[mighty pivot]

don't forget ele getting gigabuffed last minute before patch release

[delicate seal]

im having more fun on my fury war in keys ngl

it beats the tank pulling a 4 pack when you have flag up, and then drag 2 mobs at 2m hp while your whole group leaves into the big pack

and you dont have first dance

or stealth

[wintry solar]

Fury is fun yeah

[mighty pivot]

it's ok though because outlaw does add damage 🕉️

[delicate seal]

cause fuck your stealth because teh tank has that ire trinket

[wintry solar]

If you disable details and believe

I yearn to be super casual

[delicate seal]

if tank has https://www.wowhead.com/item=242401/brand-of-ceaseless-ire

prepare to be traumatized

you will NOT restealth

[vivid vessel]

hwat really

oh you mean

cause he wanna stay in combat

ye thats fine

[mighty pivot]

you can always play weaponmaster in that case for that insane backstab damage (tfd for sure still worth it over that)

[wintry solar]

Weird how the hero tree that makes you want to pre-pull for tank doesn't have 1hr tricks

[daring oxide]

i have a strong feeling

blizzard will wake up this friday

[frail veldt]

kinda good for us lowkey

[wintry solar]

It's good if the tank is pulling

[mighty pivot]

did they forget to mention that turbo boost will uncap crests, or did they explicitly say they won't do that this time?

[daring oxide]

je pense qu’ils vont corriger le Hors-la-loi vendredi

[proven ocean]

je pense qu’ils vont corriger le Hors-la-loi vendredi

[random stirrup]

mais pourquoi tu es rouge

[daring oxide]

I think turboboost is crests uncapped

whats the point of not uncapping crests

that means the highest ilvl would be 730 right

[mighty pivot]

vai that role colour is a disgrace

[daring oxide]

outlaw is a disgrace right now

[mighty pivot]

and they mention nothing of crests being uncapped in their post

[daring oxide]

in the gutter

i just assumed

that turbo boost will always come with crests uncapped

if they don't then thats gona be omega monka

je vais arrêter le hors-la-loi pour toujours

[wintry solar]

Has been since s3 df imo

[mighty pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/sure-grandpa-let's-get-you-to-bed-gif-3440862259299766707

[wintry solar]

Tier set carried it

[mighty pivot]

why is this thing blinking holy

[stiff vector]

@keen belfry u need help gearing your feral? I still have a few pieces I needa get/crests on my hunter

[wintry solar]

[keen belfry]

i got aafull ass group rn

we are cooked

[stiff vector]

like good cooked or bad cooked

[keen belfry]

both kinda

[stiff vector]

[viscid forge]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[quaint kelp]

!stats

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[daring oxide]

[lethal oak]

[shy pecan]

so tomorrow

outlaw buffs

vai did the maths

[earnest vapor]

rtb removed?

[wintry solar]

Ew no

!ban @earnest vapor

I wish I could time travel to see the outlaw rework

I need to know if I should doom or not

[red zinc]

clairvoyant dooming is crazy

[junior coral]

What if we get nothing? Lmao

[stiff vector]

if theres no buff friday, we roast vai

[earnest vapor]

deep down you know its about to happen

[wintry solar]

Rtb is the only unique thing to outlaw

[stuck patrol]

I stg wowhead/warcraftlogs is gaslighting, I swear outlaw was at the bottom overall for raid, and now they are swapped with sin

[wintry solar]

All real outlaws have the high roller title

They literally can't get rid of it

[stuck patrol]

Yeah IDK why people hate rtb. It's one of the most unique spec mechanics in the game, and it's so easy

People out here wanting WAs to tell them when to reroll like ????

It's so simple??

[wintry solar]

I wish I had a weak aura that told me what buffs I rolled like that one WA but without the reroll rules

Or telling me to reroll in general

[stuck patrol]

With the exception of WAs to see what buffs won't be rerolled when you reroll ofc

[wintry solar]

Yeah thats kinda big

[earnest vapor]

the only slight problem is that its a bit overwhelming for new players to the spec and you need a WA to put your buffs in the middle

but then again you signed up for outlaw rogue so

[stuck patrol]

No that's valid, you def need to see what rolls you have in a clear visual way

That's not what I'm hating on

I'm hating on people who need a WA to tell them when to reroll

[wintry solar]

Yeah totally different

People think way too deep about reroll rules and whatnot

[stiff vector]

Outlaw rogue: 5x the apm, 10x the cognitive load, 5x more to track....all for 50% of the damage, and +100% suffering as all the rest of the specs in the game

[stuck patrol]

With supercharger it isn't even that bad if you reroll when you shouldn't have on accident

[stiff vector]

thats the patented blizzard formula right there

to make sure no1 plays outlaw rogue

[stuck patrol]

Tbh I find sub to be more painful

[earnest vapor]

you WILL reroll hunter and nothing else

you CANNOT have fun

[stiff vector]

ye I mean sub is just straight up unejoyable to me in keys but

I can kind of tolerate it in raid for a bit if only like a boss or two

[stuck patrol]

Ironically I find sub more fun in keys

[warm sapphire]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[stuck patrol]

This is the first expansion in a long time that I've been playing around with sub, and it's "okay"

[strong halo]

Fuck me I got cudgel 691

[stiff vector]

sub is just insanely boring in keys

[strong halo]

I was happy not weapon swapping

[stiff vector]

its ok ill take it off your hands buddy

ungrateful piece of.....

[wintry solar]

I like sub but there's no opp proc equivalent

[stiff vector]

[strong halo]

That’s not true….its boring 80% of time and super fun 20%

[stuck patrol]

At least with sin in M+ I get to slam buttons in big groups

[strong halo]

Sin on boss fights might be the most boring spec in the game

My goodness

[earnest vapor]

it is

[stiff vector]

tbh if they fixed all the bugs nuking assa's dmg itd be pretty good again, but ofc they only fix DPS positive bugs on this class

[strong halo]

It would still be boring ST

Super linear

[earnest vapor]

you proc all your stuff and you press envenom until something is about to drop

meanwhile gigachad outlaw slotmachine

[stiff vector]

could you imagine if arcane mage had a bug that was massively hurting their prio/funnel? Shit would be instantly fixed. But then theres assa...significantly impactful bugs, just ignored.

crazy how that works huh

[strong halo]

Arcane hella fun tho

[earnest vapor]

need at least 7 redbulls before playing any ranged class so i dont fall asleep

fk mage

[stiff vector]

its true I actually cant help but afk in the brain playing my hunter in keys lol

[wintry solar]

I find myself in melee range when playing a caster

[stiff vector]

literally all they make ranged do in keys these days is move a few feet out of something every once and a while

[earnest vapor]

u dont have to move 90% of fights ye

[stiff vector]

you just dont have mechanics to really worry about

[earnest vapor]

ye thats where the 7 red bulls come in

so you need to manage heart attack mechanic and not get bored

[strong halo]

Bro life’s so easy as ranged

I miss it sometimes

[earnest vapor]

i wanna try an ele sham after i finish outlaw and vdh

[stiff vector]

it is actually crazy the difference this xpac ranged vs melee in keys, blizzard went full on melee grief and forgot about ranged

[earnest vapor]

yeah genuinely

[stiff vector]

like I played spriest and a bit of my lock in DF, and it was not a very fun time on spriest in a lot of high keys in DF

[earnest vapor]

eco dome has a bit of moving though so u get the buff

on 3rd and the spears on 2nd

i like that dung a lot

[stiff vector]

ecodome mobs make me want to punch the monitor

mfers jumping out of my BF perma

making me lose globals because they jump mid global press

[earnest vapor]

play ranged = issue fixed

[stiff vector]

[earnest vapor]

its p annoying though yeah they jump out of my sigils

i popped a KS on one of the packs and it had like 3 of those dashing trash remaining

they just left the instant i popped it

[stiff vector]

Could you imagine old ks in eco LOL

You’d be perma dying to lizards beams and like the sentinels ground shit when his shield breaks

[earnest vapor]

it makes more sense though with the gambling theme of outlaw

you gamble your life for dps

[thorny zinc]

old KS on like any raid boss would just be insta death

[worldly sinew]

Part of me does miss the anxiety I could force upon people tho when targeted by something.

https://tenor.com/view/sailor-moon-anime-evil-beautiful-green-gif-14706320303357806278

[earnest vapor]

imagine using KS on the third boss of manaforge when u get the line for the adds

[wintry solar]

I miss the prio dmg it dealt

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/imagination-pics-brb-gif-9379059

[earnest vapor]

stimulate your brain

[molten flicker]

You’d probably end up landing outside of the ship in dawnbreaker too I bet

[wintry solar]

You absolutely do

[earnest vapor]

wasnt there a gif of a guy falling off the dawnbreaker

[vivid vessel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255110288081162311/1374365469884289034/KillingSpreeDawnbreaker.gif

[wide magnet]

the first time I used old KS on dawnbreaker, the ship kept going and i just finished KS in the air and then fell, lol

almost like that gif but the ship physically sailed out from under me. hilarious

[frail veldt]

thats def untrue lol

[red zinc]

every damaging ability outlaw has is unique to outlaw i feel

[frail veldt]

also rtb rules with SoH are def not that easy

like comparing to most rotational rules on other specs

If you have ot use a script to make a WA I feel like thats pretty good evidence of how complicated something is

[elder phoenix]

what is this like 160p

[vivid vessel]

Gif

[stuck patrol]

How?

[elder phoenix]

did they finally fix the AR+GS combo bug or what

[stuck patrol]

You just reroll when 2 or less buffs even with the other rtb talent, right?

[elder phoenix]

Just get a weakaura or an addon

that will tell you when

[stuck patrol]

Gifs take a ton of memory, that's why they are looking quality, to make it not a massive file

[stuck patrol]

That's lazy

Unfun

[elder phoenix]

Oh no, make things easier is lazy and unfun lol

The rtb tech is mindnumbingly dull that it deserves to be automated

[stuck patrol]

When the task is already easy yeah

[elder phoenix]

i mean sure if you want to add more to things you need to do then go for it

do it the hard way

lol

[stuck patrol]

How is it the hard way when I don't even have to think?

[elder phoenix]

no ones stopping you

[stuck patrol]

I see what buffs and how many and just do??

[elder phoenix]

i didnt say its hard i said its a harder way than to automate it with a weakaura that tells you when to do it

[wintry solar]

Okay no cds

Like

[stuck patrol]

[wintry solar]

Ghostly Strike is such a bad cd

[elder phoenix]

its not when you can macro it with between the eyes and AR

[stuck patrol]

Bro stop giving people bad advice LMAO

[elder phoenix]

its literally off the gcd lol, idk why its bad

[wintry solar]

Because it's an energy sink and target locked to one target

[elder phoenix]

Then dont take it

if you dont like it

lol

[wintry solar]

You cant

[elder phoenix]

no ones stopping you

[stuck patrol]

It's required

What

[wintry solar]

Wtf is going on in this server right now

[stuck patrol]

Huh???

LMAO

[frail veldt]

you do macro it as fatebound

[vivid vessel]

People interacting with moot

[frail veldt]

check the pins

[vivid vessel]

Is kinda crazy

It's like interacting with zeross

[elder phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/adios-gif-12876099

[frail veldt]

zeross is always a bait

[elder phoenix]

also heres a gif

and quite large and better quality

[worldly shale]

russian roulette

[vivid vessel]

Your gif is 1s long

[elder phoenix]

not a 10p gif that zac linked earlier

[vivid vessel]

My guy

[elder phoenix]

its not mine

[wintry solar]

Guy is infact typing

[vivid vessel]

The difference is that my gif is 15s long you noob

[wintry solar]

He was

[stuck patrol]

I'm m+ brained

[frail veldt]

you can macro it as trickster too

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[stuck patrol]

Okay yeah, acro moot is just a troll, I'm sorry for taking him seriously LMAO

[frail veldt]

well he wasnt wrong technically

[junior prawn]

I already suck ass on outlaw, cant get any worse. Moot what other tech do have for me

[earnest vapor]

i macro dark iron dwarf racial to GS

[frail veldt]

it is a bad cd though GS feels awful as a button

[stuck patrol]

Nah, macroing gs in keys is a bad idea

[frail veldt]

now thats fucking troll

[stuck patrol]

IDC what the bot says

[elder phoenix]

Lol how am i troll when im literally giving you choices. Its your choice to go for it the long way round or not

[frail veldt]

the bot is what solo says

[earnest vapor]

its bis

[frail veldt]

and if youre against solo

then I cant help you

[wintry solar]

Idk man

Depends

On tob

[stuck patrol]

Why would anyone want to macro gs and waste it on an NPC that is low health

[worldly shale]

where is that "human being"

[wintry solar]

@cinder haven should I macro GS?

[stuck patrol]

It literally says

In the bot response

That it's not good to macro, but you can anyway

[worldly shale]

i dont see the reason

for macroing it

[frail veldt]

no

[worldly shale]

other than on ar

[frail veldt]

it says its relatively ok

[worldly shale]

for fatebound

[frail veldt]

did you not read the bot

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[stuck patrol]

Did you? LMAO

[frail veldt]

the apl literally presses gs on cd as long as you arent at max cps

[stuck patrol]

So the way you're supposed to play it?

[frail veldt]

do I need to sim pressing it on cd for you

to show you that its like a 0.2% loss

[stuck patrol]

I mean you can, but dslice doesn't perfectly sim actual experience

[wintry solar]

Press it in between globals

[stuck patrol]

Nor does it take into account that has helps you kill prio targets that can make or break a key

[frail veldt]

look im not a GS defender

I hate GS

feels awful to press

but were talking about whether its viable to macro it

[stuck patrol]

Same

[frail veldt]

and it literally is viable

[wintry solar]

It's dumb and shouldn't be defended

Simple as

[stuck patrol]

You can do it, but it's just a bad idea

[frail veldt]

its not a bad idea

for most players its a good idea

[stuck patrol]

hhhhhh

Whatever I'm done arguing, I agree to disagree

This is dumb

[wintry solar]

This is why you'll be forgotten

Give no quarter

[frail veldt]

I bet people lose more dps pressing it wrong than if they were to just macro it

[earnest vapor]

argue a little bit more

[frail veldt]

new players at least

prob let it drop and forget to press it on cd

[stuck patrol]

Macroing literally makes you press it wrong sometimes LMAO

[frail veldt]

aite im gona sim it

just for you

[junior prawn]

Is why I macro gs to trinkets

[stuck patrol]

I literally told you you can if you want to, but it wouldn't change my mind

[frail veldt]

yeah cuz you arent informed by data

[stuck patrol]

[stuck patrol]

I am perfectly informed by data, but dslice is not a perfect representation of real life experience

You literally can't sim how much you lose from putting it on a low health target, or over capping cps

[frail veldt]

thats def suboptimal lol

[stuck patrol]

Well the latter you can

[junior prawn]

Hell yeah both of you can agree I'm wrong

[frail veldt]

so then what data are you informed by

sounds like youre just anecdotally claiming that macroing gs is super troll and a huge dps loss

which is just not the case

[quaint mauve]

bro the best boosts are available when im at school

[keen belfry]

I need to redo my key binds on feral druid I think

[stuck patrol]

That is literally not what I said

[quaint mauve]

i have a eco too… woulda been my freest 100k

[frail veldt]

then what claim are you even making rofl

[keen belfry]

Not sure I like my feral druid Keybinds rn

[frail veldt]

is macroing gs bad or not

[quaint mauve]

mine feel like my sub binds

in a way

[stuck patrol]

My biggest point is that it's a damage loss (yes it's minimal), but it's also helpful to help kill prio targets that can make or break a key

And all it takes

Is one more keybind

[quaint mauve]

but how would not just pressing gs do the same

[frail veldt]

so youre saying macroing gs will cause you to fail your key

cuz that is fried

[stuck patrol]

You are being so obtuse bro lmfao

[quaint mauve]

without the chance of gsing low hp targets

[quaint mauve]

no i agree with mewo what r u saying

lol

[frail veldt]

if someones asking the question on whether they can macro gs the correct answer is yes they can

and it is okay to do so but suboptimal

[stuck patrol]

I was replying to him

[frail veldt]

which is literally what the command says

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[frail veldt]

https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/5r2Fzz6K7jfJQ9Vwmm4F68

0.4%

slam gs on cd

[stuck patrol]

Got a vault upgrade the other day that was .5%, I considered it to be a pretty good upgrade

[keen belfry]

Can it sim better keybinds for my feral druid

[frail veldt]

you were failing keys before that upgrade right?

I hated doing binds on druid

[stuck patrol]

Hell yeah dude

[frail veldt]

you have to deal with the bars changing

its so annoying

I wish I could just turn that off

entirely

but then you have too many fucking buttons

[stuck patrol]

So basically you hate keybinds

[frail veldt]

its a mess

[keen belfry]

There are so many buttons that feel like they do the exact same thing

Idk what to bind them too

[frail veldt]

I have too many key binds I just acknowledge that other people might not like keybinds and are more than happy taking a 0.4% dps loss to save a bind

and I wont lie to them and say that its that big of a deal to do so

[keen belfry]

rake rip fart thrash trash

[frail veldt]

fart

[junior prawn]

Fart

[keen belfry]

There’s a talent called like

Apex predator craving

Wtf?

[frail veldt]

I litearlly have 3 keybinds for GS lol

[stuck patrol]

I won't lie that it's not that hard to have a keybind for it

[frail veldt]

shift + r = gs
alt + r = GS->BtE
ctrl + q = cancelstealth -> adr -> GS

[frail veldt]

thats not really what we were arguing though

were arguing if it was bad to macro it

[keen belfry]

I think macroing GS is pretty criminal esp if you care enough about your performance to come into a discord and ask

[frail veldt]

and its not

[frail veldt]

theres plenty of new people here

[keen belfry]

Specially in keys

[frail veldt]

who are not at that point yet

and maybe never will be

thats what the command is for

[keen belfry]

I’d rather have that person just learn and bind it idk

[frail veldt]

they arent wrong for wanting to save a bind

[keen belfry]

But it’s not huge deal

[stuck patrol]

Thank you

[frail veldt]

theres a lot of people who arent playing for that 0.4%

[keen belfry]

Lotta farters

[stuck patrol]

But most people who take the time to go to the discord want to make improvements

That's one way to improve

[frail veldt]

the command exists for a reason

[stuck patrol]

You can't just say "just macro it" like moot said

He didn't inform the trade off

That's why I told him off

I don't have issue with people macroing it

But if you want to do better, you don't macro it

[frail veldt]

thats what the command says

if you dont like having to press it then just macro it lol

[stuck patrol]

It literally says it's "ok" and will never be optimal

But gives you the choice

It doesn't say "do it, you lose hardly anything"

[frail veldt]

yeah 0.4% is pretty small considering our dps stdev is 7.5%

[stuck patrol]

Bro this is why I wanted to stop arguing

You aren't listening man

[frail veldt]

if you watched two outlaws playing

[stuck patrol]

I don't care

[frail veldt]

and they were both equally skilled

and one had gs macrod

and you tried to determine who it was

from meters

you wouldnt be able to do so

[stuck patrol]

I'd reckon it would be more noticable than you think, because dslice is not an accurate representation of how a key actually goes

Jesus Christ

We are going

In circles

Please

[frail veldt]

show me the data

haha

[stuck patrol]

There is no fucking data because you can't sim reality

Jesus Christ lmfao

[frail veldt]

kind of a weak hill to die on

anyway macroing gs is relatively ok

[stuck patrol]

I don't even disagree with this

So again I don't know why we are arguing

I just didn't like that the one guy said "just macro it"

[frail veldt]

I think thats a fair response if someone really hates pressing it

but in terms of a counter argument to GS being a bad button I think its weak

GS feels awful

I loved playing HO start of S2 when you could drop GS for PC

outlaw feels so much better without having 50 energy taken away every 20-30 seconds

[stuck patrol]

I agree that gs isnt fun to press and it kind of disrupts things

[quaint mauve]

how much of a loss is 2 fth no gs

[frail veldt]

I think it was like 4%

in dslice

might have been more I forget though a lot changed in S3

[elder phoenix]

wait is there any haste req for OH outlaw?

[quaint mauve]

HO is like 9%

[stuck patrol]

Speaking of which, playing 1fth is so cringe

[frail veldt]

HO with vigor is 9% but HO with SC is 16-19%

[elder phoenix]

how far behind is OH outlaw compared to Fate

[frail veldt]

haste kinda behaves like a normal stat as HO SC

[elder phoenix]

compared to kir I mean

[frail veldt]

which is cool

[stuck patrol]

Close to double digits iirc

Like 9% behind

I may be wrong though

[junior prawn]

Damn

[frail veldt]

nah

I think its 4%

[stuck patrol]

Okay yeah I'm high

[frail veldt]

4-5% I think

[stuck patrol]

Either that or it was that behind in ptr at one time

[frail veldt]

but that might have changed though

since the discovery of the GS->adr thing

I dont know how that shifted things for HO/KiR

whether it lifted both or made the gap larger

[junior prawn]

Im only trolling a little bit then. I always found sinister strike just doesn't feel good to push over ambush.

[frail veldt]

honestly the TC work right now is crazy complex theres a lot going on

shotouts to the people puttin in that work

[stuck patrol]

It's okay in fatebound, given the talent that makes extra hits give another cp

Many disagree with me, but I think HO is more fun to play as a whole

[junior prawn]

I pretty much only do keys so iirc I pretty much have to trickster?

[frail veldt]

yeah ngl I think the worst feeling ST build is 1 fth KiR haha

god it sucks

[keen belfry]

why is no one signing up to my +9 arakara on my druid

[frail veldt]

im always sus about a +9

why not do a 10

or if youre farming low stuff on alt might as well do a 7

[stuck patrol]

Trickster is very ahead in keys yes

[frail veldt]

9 is a weird one

[quaint mauve]

9s are the like most worthless key to do lol

right next to 11s

[stuck patrol]

But FB might be okay in keys with more bosses, idk

[frail veldt]

rough thing about FB in keys is how strict the vanish rules are

so its hard to flex your rotation around mechanics

[keen belfry]

im so bad at feral this is crayz

[frail veldt]

yeah hows feral feel

the snapshotting kinda scared me off

[quaint mauve]

feral feels so clunky

[glass mortar]

felt like sin without the resource gen scaling with aoe

u have downtime even in aoe

but it kinda slaps

uncapped aoe rip is and always will be reasonable

[keen belfry]

no one on my friends list like smy cat either

[fathom bramble]

it's very weird that taking the snapshotting talent and ignoring it is better than the alternative talent

[dawn talon]

my druid is 'oswalbkitty', people from rp servers /pet me and everyone else sends me hateful dms

lol

[dawn talon]

bc everyone hates it

[fathom bramble]

their apl also just doesn't work if you untalent snapshotting

I didn't really look into why but it just stops working

[dawn talon]

bc it becomes an enormously different spec and nobody wants to maintain something nobody will ever play

[frail veldt]

Damn really? Lol is doing the snapshot correctly a big gain?

[stuck patrol]

I hate RP servers, people /ruffle, /pat, /lick, /kiss, /hug me all the time

Random ass people

Not even in my group

[fathom bramble]

I didn't really deep dive feral so I don't have accurate numbers on the gain

[stuck patrol]

And I'm just like

BE NORMAL

[dawn talon]

i just let em have their fun

[fathom bramble]

but it seems that snapshotting vs. ignoring the mechanic is not a make or break

[dawn talon]

they are in a different world from me entirely

[stuck patrol]

They can have fun, just not directed at me smh

[fathom bramble]

kind of like choosing to play ho I imagine

on ST

[dawn talon]

its a pretty big difference but slight fuckups arent a big deal

[quaint mauve]

im having trouble deciding whether i like brew or ww monk more, brew feels like such a low impact tank

like no tools basically

[keen belfry]

oh ravage is an arc?

i should read talents rn

[indigo token]

guys

[elder phoenix]

https://i.imgur.com/KhSaMS0.jpeg am i doing it right

[quaint mauve]

your mastery is pretty high

[indigo token]

what do you do when you feel like you're putting as much effort as you can into something

but getting nothing in return

[quaint mauve]

your vers is better than mine tho i have so much crit

[dawn talon]

evaluate your relationship with the thing

[keen belfry]

ww

[dawn talon]

and decide if it's worth it

[quaint mauve]

it’s super fun

i pump considering im not geared

[junior prawn]

How do you guys try to plan around downtime? Like i struggle with mail boss in streets where you soak puddles / deliver mail bombs where adr just falls off. Feels like you just have to accept dropping it

[elder phoenix]

cuz of this fucking ring

https://i.imgur.com/kmJYUQw.jpeg

[fathom bramble]

it is strange though that guides claim the other talent is barely behind, but then the apl just doesn't function with the other talent on

[indigo token]

i mean you just save your AR for that

[quaint mauve]

EWWWWWWWWWW

sorry

[indigo token]

i still enjoy doing it

(im talking about outlaw LOL)

[elder phoenix]

ring has high vers tho

[next wedge]

craft one

[languid tartan]

Goodday guys
i have a question
Do people still use Bubbling Wax on Outlaw weapons?

[next wedge]

yes

mainhand only

[languid tartan]

oh thanks bro

[alpine stag]

Is this macro ONLY for the opener? Like is it ok to press this macro outside of opener?

/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike

[quiet root]

i just keep hitting the boss while my teammates throw the bombs into the chute 🙂

[gaunt phoenix]

You also use it for vanish

[languid tartan]

Bro, one more thing — it’s the same in both Mythic+ and Raid, right?

[alpine stag]

So should I have a keybind for that macro and one without the /cancelaura Stealth?

[keen belfry]

LF 1 Tank, 1 Healer, 1 Dps +9 arakara

+9

[elder phoenix]

anytime you have vanish not on cd and ar not on cd

[rustic forge]

I am new to rogue, and was reading IV and wow head guides, noticed differences in the rotation.... Which one would be more accurate

[quaint mauve]

i would read #outlaw-faq , ol doesn’t really have a set rotation due to how procs work

[drowsy ridge]

Outlaw has a rapidly changing priority list masqurading as a rotation

[rustic forge]

I guess I'm just confused when playing trickster, if I am ambushing during subterfuge or not. Wowhead says that KIR build are never using ambush, but outlaw FAQ and IV are saying to ambush

Maybe I'm missing something? I've read through them a few times

[junior prawn]

The HO build will ambush, Keep it rolling won't. In short

[wintry solar]

This didn't even originate from anyone's dislike of pressing it. Just that it's a bad CD lol

Which honestly made it even funnier the longer yall went on

[quaint mauve]

!kir

[ornate heath]

KIR build compared to HO:

• doesn't use ambush, uses the same builder priority inside and outside of stealth
• is more cp efficient with pistol shot usage (see faq)
• has to use KIR itself as soon as you hit 4 buffs from RTB/CTO
• has an additional reroll logic after pressing KIR (see faq)
• is more punishing if you mess up builder priority at a given moment
• needs 19% haste from rating to reach 25% during adrenaline rush after alacrity
• KIR 1 FTH really likes trickster optimizations, like prioritizing SS when unseen blades are guaranteed (see faq)

[quaint mauve]

it would be pretty decent imo if bf benefited from the dmg amp

[wintry solar]

Frankly should be a player buff and not be effected by cdr, given 2 charges, and reduced the cd.

[frail veldt]

Oh for sure GS is a super lame button

[wintry solar]

The worst

Not the worst but it sucks

It's up there

[frail veldt]

For me it's mainly the energy cost

And how insanely strong it is

So it's not really an option

[cinder relic]

If you don't go HO, You never press ambush

[gaunt phoenix]

no, the /cancelaura stealth just doesnt do anything for vanish

[wintry solar]

Delete HO and just make Ambush proc opp

Easy peasy

Thoughts?

[dawn talon]

i do not want to press ambush man

[wintry solar]

Erm

Delete imp ambush and just make it like that

Now your complaints for last time are null and void

As there's only Audacity left

Remember when it didn't replace SS? I kinda miss it.

Outlaw having less binds feels alien to me

[stark onyx]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[rustic forge]

Thanks for taking my questions.... This spec, it's gonna take some practice to get the hang of it. I don't think I've played a spec with more conditions to keep in mind

[wintry solar]

Once you get the hang of it, all other specs suck to play

It's so fun

@vivid vessel truce?

[mighty pivot]

popo

fuck zac, wanna see some cats?

[wintry solar]

Ye

Dude midnight is soon

I gotta reset my rep

New outlaw new me

[mighty pivot]

2 cats in 2 baskets

[wintry solar]

2 cats in 2 baskets???

What's next?

3 cats in 3 baskets?????

[mighty pivot]

they were supporting me in my m+ runs. In one of which an ele shaman did 2m overall in priory

[wintry solar]

Silent supporters

[mighty pivot]

3 cats is the next goal one day

[wintry solar]

I'm getting a cat soon

[mighty pivot]

get two

[wintry solar]

Dude

That's a great idea

[mighty pivot]

they keep each other company and goof around

[wintry solar]

I want to get older cats, they don't get adopted as much as kittens

[mighty pivot]

I am sure there are plenty in shelters near your location

[wintry solar]

There are. House just ain't ready yet.

[mighty pivot]

yes we get housing in 3 months though

[wintry solar]

Surely, and I mean SURELY they let us have a couple pets around the house

At least 3

Maybe a mount outside

[mighty pivot]

we'll know soon enough. I don't expect too much to be available from the get go

[wintry solar]

Nah me either

[mighty pivot]

I am ready for beta testing the content live like we usually do

[wintry solar]

I'm glad we can have alliance exteriors in horde neighborhoods. It's the closest to the undead house until it actually comes.

[mighty pivot]

ye orc houses are kinda mid and I am even playing an orc so it would fit in theory

[stiff vector]

im gonna do a driveby at popos crib in midnight

[mighty pivot]

party at popo's

[wintry solar]

I keep my thang on me

[wintry solar]

Hell yeah

Corpse party

Dude

I want a graveyard

[mighty pivot]

crack open a cold thistle tea

[wintry solar]

Crack open a cold one with the boys

[mighty pivot]

reminisce how we had UHUH in tww but now in midnight it's gone

[wintry solar]

Ngl

I'm gonna miss hating on uhuh

[stiff vector]

have the rogue crib and we just have 37 rogues sitting in stealth outside and the roof guarding the entrance

[mighty pivot]

do you miss hating on KS?

[wintry solar]

Eh

I mean honestly

[mighty pivot]

prolly not because there is plenty to hate still

from one evil design to another

[wintry solar]

I was fine with it because I mostly pvpd last season so I didn't hate it as much as yall.

[mighty pivot]

did you see the clip that I posted earlier?

[wintry solar]

I did hate it in pve though, dont get me wrong

[wintry solar]

That shit happened every mythic I ran

And boss

Raid boss I mean

[mighty pivot]

yeah I cannot say I miss that

[wintry solar]

I will say I'll miss the clips it produced

[mighty pivot]

I actually did find the teleport cool visually, but giving up player control, and making it impossible to pretarget grapple is a huge no-no

[wintry solar]

Yeah the animation was sick

That's the only good thing

ST too which is weird I have to bring up now

[mighty pivot]

and you could cheese some mechanics with it

[stiff vector]

we had one good animation/visual on outlaw...and it was unfortunately old KS WHY GOD WHY

[mighty pivot]

new KS animation is worse imo but still good. It's just that the ability is kinda dog

[wintry solar]

If they stopped the weird stabbing it'd be peak

[mighty pivot]

4 arm rogue

[wintry solar]

I don't even mind the channel

But its just so cringe it hits random targets

[mighty pivot]

I love trying to position myself among 10+ mobs so that it hits my intended target

[wintry solar]

Awkward in pve and pvp because the ST of KS is what wins games

So if another target is close, it's useless

[mighty pivot]

sub feels way more chill in dungeons as long as your tank doesn't pull 4 mobs when you have blades sitting

[wintry solar]

The worst

2nd worst

The worst is dropping stealth between packs and not noticing becausw your character is still doing the stealth animation

[mighty pivot]

surely they will fix that before midnight

I didn't check if it's there on ptr

but even if it is it's not like they fix what is being reported so

[wintry solar]

Me neither

If not I'll just pay more attention