Almost only
#outlaw
mighty pivot
I dunno that's a lot of extra main stat it doesn't sound that weird even if haste has lesser value
hasty warren
still can reduce haste somewhere after
cinder haven
a lot of extra main stat, sometimes
hasty warren
have lot's of haste gems
mighty pivot
So it's similarly wasted stats I guess
well no because upgrading armour pieces increases mostly the main stat and the secondaries barely get increased. It's only +90 haste from 723 shoulders but 1900 from trinket
muted tangle
I think the problem isn't from the number of triggers. I must have wronged one of the triggers...
mighty pivot
ye whenever the difference is that minor pick whatever makes most sense with future upgrades in mind
hasty warren
k ty for help pirates ❤️
mighty pivot
raidbots even highlights sidegrades with a purple line
muted tangle
Okay guys i try again for my WA.
Trigger 1 :
RollTheBones is available to cast
Trigger 2 (The one i'm probably isn't setting right):
Less than 2 RtB buff are active
I've set all the RtB buff in the Trigger : Aura, Aura's found
But then, the sound is played everytime RtB is up, despite the Buff up on my character
torpid fiber
hmm
mighty pivot
how did you set the sound to play?
wispy elbow
Do u guys know if outlaw has any bugs ? Cuz my thinking is when they patch said bugs how much of a dps gain will we see
mighty pivot
when they patch the bugs 
muted tangle
how did you set the sound to play?
In Action > At the display
I think i'm missing something in the conditions of the 2nd trigger...
I don't know how to specify 3 buffs xD
In that list
long barn
Guys. Why is there a miss chance on raidbots for Antenna
mighty pivot
In that list
match count
long barn
Don’t the balls just come to you?
gaunt phoenix
but it's only specific fights really
gaunt phoenix
idk i dont have it
long barn
Ok
gaunt phoenix
the spell data implies 20 seconds i think
gaunt phoenix
not for outlaw
long barn
Ok
muted tangle
match count
I've done that, but the sound is still playing despite having 4 buffs
long barn
I got pretty much a myth track of every good trinket now and antenna def seems to play better than the sims show
mighty pivot
I've done that, but the sound is still playing despite having 4 buffs
I cannot read baguette too well, but for what you want I think you need to change the condition to "All of" and add those 2 conditions together
gaunt phoenix
I got pretty much a myth track of every good trinket now and antenna def seems t...
does it?
people are starting to dislike antenna i think
long barn
I mean, I have all the trinkets minus mythic cursed and I’ve gotten some of my best parses with the antenna. Ilvl really hasn’t changed or stats for me in the last couple weeks.
Or maybe the crit rewards my stat makeup
eager oyster
Hey folks, I drop out of stealth when I enter the portal to the dimensius fight (heroic), any ideas what could be the cause? Other rogue(sin) in our raid not having that issue. Tried turning off all addons.
muted tangle
I cannot read baguette too well, but for what you want I think you need to chang...
The problem is my options are :
All the triggers
At least one trigger
Custom fonction
But the last one only open a chatbox 🙁
Thx for your answers btw 🙂 )
gaunt phoenix
i don't think it's the trinket unless you just highroll the rppm
long barn
people are starting to dislike antenna i think
What are they going too?
mighty pivot
The problem is my options are :
All the triggers
At least one trigger
Custom fon...
no, I mean in the condition tab. Where you selected If Trigger 1: Sort Utilisable, it should also have combination options
muted tangle
no, I mean in the condition tab. Where you selected If Trigger 1: Sort Utilisabl...
Aaaaaaaaah gonna check that
covert kestrel
Hey folks, I drop out of stealth when I enter the portal to the dimensius fight ...
Outlaw is just bugged isn't that fun
buoyant cosmos
What are they going too?
Warp claw and sigil seem to be popular
I like prism / sigil for m+ that is
gaunt phoenix
What are they going too?
antenna is still the 2nd most popular trinket in raid but i guess people are more aware that it can miss
not quite as omega bis as it was projected at season start
long barn
Warp claw and sigil seem to be popular
I’ve been running it but feels worse. I guess I’ll let the numbers tell me.
long barn
not quite as omega bis as it was projected at season start
Did anything ever come about for fatebound coin bugs on certain bosses, like Fract?
gaunt phoenix
Other than sigil i think trinkets are so close it would be hard to "notice" a dps difference
unless you log a thousand runs and average them... (like a sim)
long barn
Other than sigil i think trinkets are so close it would be hard to "notice" a dp...
It noticed it mostly on big packs in M+
buoyant cosmos
Warpclaw isn't my choice, prism feels great because you use it with kir, so you get 4+ buffs and a huge agi buff
long barn
Warpclaw isn't my choice, prism feels great because you use it with kir, so you ...
That’s a cool cook. So you hold it until you get good buffs.
quaint mauve
not quite as omega bis as it was projected at season start
is sigil still omega bis in all content?
oh saw your message
gaunt phoenix
Did anything ever come about for fatebound coin bugs on certain bosses, like Fra...
i believe there is a generic bug where sometimes fatebound tails will fail to go off, like in logs you will see you have 129 tails hits but 132 tails buffs, so 3 of them mysteriously didnt happen
nothing came from those logs where tails didnt work at all
quaint mauve
yk what im happy about
that 2 tank trinkets dropped again from that boss
im waiting to clear it on my brew just for sigil to drop over the tank trinket
muted tangle
no, I mean in the condition tab. Where you selected If Trigger 1: Sort Utilisabl...
It's that ! It was the little picky things i didn't knew about ! Thanks again ! ❤️
gaunt phoenix
@stiff vector i'm starting to wonder if there are logs where fatebound HEADS isn't working
vivid vessel
gaunt phoenix
idk sometimes you feel like have a really normal pull and then the dps is not there
long barn
<@287474341304598539> i'm starting to wonder if there are logs where fatebound H...
I had a theory it bugged when the boss nameplate was off the screen due to size of boss. But it seems to be invalid.
long barn
idk sometimes you feel like have a really normal pull and then the dps is not th...
Agreee!
mighty pivot
<@287474341304598539> i'm starting to wonder if there are logs where fatebound H...
isn't working as in not proccing, or just being a buff that does nothing?
old gull
Hunters trinket and warp claw. Big fan of passive trinkets
gaunt phoenix
buffs that does nothing
quaint mauve
buffs that does nothing
sometimes i feel like that too
bc how hit or miss my fb parses are
mighty pivot
in theory that would be detectable in logs since you know the agility, weapon and auras
vivid vessel
No I don't think you do
gaunt phoenix
heads is 10% + 2*stack yeah?
vivid vessel
Snapshots the stats at the start of the key
Then you can't detect stats changes in logs
mighty pivot
Then you can't detect stats changes in logs
resources -> attack power
red zinc
i coulda sworn they made heads 3% per stack at one point
thought that was the initial tuning
during beta
gaunt phoenix
maybe? but the tooltip is still 2%
mighty pivot
getting head sucks 
red zinc
oh wait
nah solo it was 3% initial
thats what you are getting it confused with
it was even worse before
vivid vessel
resources -> attack power
interesting, why is attack power the only stat like that
gaunt phoenix
No shot it was 3% at stack 1
gaunt phoenix
vivid vessel
Does head gives attack power then
red zinc
we got 10% + 2% a few weeks later
torpid fiber
oh yeah rogue hero talent moment
vivid vessel
Cause it's not saying what it does on the tooltip
Other than it saying it increase damage of abilities
red zinc
crazy how underpowered this was before lmao
3% + 1% and 100% attack power plus 10%
we're at 10% + 2% and 210% attack power now
mighty pivot
interesting, why is attack power the only stat like that
not the only one https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/COMBAT_LOG_EVENT#Advanced_Combat_Log
vivid vessel
Ye just not normal stats tho
Intersrting tho I didn't know
But then head doesn't increase attack power
I can't see that in logs
mighty pivot
I think it's only those because they are the ones used for calculations
red zinc
does damage % normally increase attack power?
mighty pivot
head doesn't increase attack power, it's a % mod
you would use the attack power value, and then any % mods along with the ability coefficient (and maybe debuffs too) to find the expected damage
red zinc
alpha tomorrow (came to me in a dream) 
mighty pivot
before or after outlaw buffs?
attack power is just your agility + (6 * mh_dps - if it's a main hand ability some are mixed). Other than weapon stones and some racials I don't think anything gives attack power directly. It's generally just temporary agi boosts affecting it
red zinc
torpid fiber
serene brook
mighty pivot
here is some OC
indigo token
here is some OC
LMAOOOOOO
jolly geyser
indigo token
jolly geyser
vivid vessel
This one is good fr
west ridge
indigo token
balmy topaz
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1417269626634506361/ba...
I have one gimme a sec
sleek parcel
xd
wispy elbow
does the outlaw guide apply to m+ as well?
gaunt phoenix
ya
wispy elbow
what prio does balde flurry take in st
cuz in the guide it says press at 4 target do u not press it otherwise
vivid vessel
maintain bf when there is more than 1 target
wispy elbow
so use it jsut to buff right not as builder
vivid vessel
builder is only at 5 ye
otherwise you mjaintain the buff in aoe but not press it to build
gaunt phoenix
in raid you can cast it prepull if there will be upcoming aoe
just so you can save a global on it later
cinder haven
can we bribe the wowhead raid dps rankings writers to highlight outlaw damage to bosses a bit more in their articles or something?
strong halo
Lmao Awang aura
lucid sparrow
is killing spree bugged?
agile orchid
can we bribe the wowhead raid dps rankings writers to highlight outlaw damage to...
outlaw and sub are right in the middle
blizzard: it must mean they are perfectly balanced
cinder haven
yeah it seems we need to help them see the problem
red zinc
I mean im not fully aware of how the scoring system works on these overall rankings
but i imagine it has to do with the relative gaps between classes on each boss?
gaunt phoenix
is killing spree bugged?
how so?
ocean lodge
can we bribe the wowhead raid dps rankings writers to highlight outlaw damage to...
It's actually annoying af how it seems like they go off wowhead more than objective data lately
hollow creek
why do we want of set hands and not legs ?
gaunt phoenix
they probably mean its random targeting
ocean lodge
why do we want of set hands and not legs ?
Huh
gaunt phoenix
why do we want of set hands and not legs ?
set legs should be mildly better
who says you want set hands
ocean lodge
He might mean off piece
gaunt phoenix
it's crit mastery vs vers mastery which i mean, is not really different but vers is slightly favored
hollow creek
thanks
alot of ppl play sleight of hand instead of thiefs versatility , do you know why if the thiefs sim better ?
gaunt phoenix
there's a pin about it
i need to update sim rotation slightly, but otherwise sleight just feels good / minor bug abuse
jade abyss
are sharpening stones buffed in raid as well? if not does it make the mana oils worth to use?
jade abyss
!ks
mighty pivot
zac misleading people yet again, what's new? 
gaunt phoenix
are sharpening stones buffed in raid as well? if not does it make the mana oils ...
the weapon consumables aren't buffed
vivid vessel
zac misleading people yet again, what's new? <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
i litteraly am not
noob
stop !
mighty pivot
look up! You literally misled someone! The evidence is right there!
vivid vessel
mighty pivot
🕉️
vivid vessel
🕉️
high nimbus
can we close the discord until outlaw is fixed
lucid sparrow
no but you can do !ks tho
ok bestie i will
mighty pivot
outlaw chat has been as good as closed for weeks now
hollow creek
i need to update sim rotation slightly, but otherwise sleight just feels good / ...
my english is not the best but , so if i dont wanna "care" so much about the rolls its better to play loaded dice ?
unkempt smelt
set legs should be mildly better
Aren't legs from Nexus King better tho?
gaunt phoenix
if you kill mythic nexus king sure
gentle sky
is it bad to mix [Astral Antenna] and [Cursed Stone Idol] ?
gaunt phoenix
it's fine
gaunt phoenix
my english is not the best but , so if i dont wanna "care" so much about the rol...
yea that's fine
well they both use loaded dice
but sleight vs thief's versatility should be close anyway
potent latch
does heal reduc poison work on mini boss before last boss HoA? 🙂
gaunt phoenix
yea
leaden hazel
So, when are we closing the discord so rogue gets buffs?
vivid vessel
outlaw rogue is the highest spec on wcl
spare dome
i've read some reddit threads about rogue from boredom
why is it always
roll the bones the problem
and outlaw being a pirate
leaden hazel
outlaw rogue is the highest spec on wcl
Our single target dmg output is as low as it gets
vivid vessel
i know
but people
dont know
outlaw is bad
everyone i read something about outlaw its how its the highest spec on wcl anywya so it must be better than sub
litteraly the worse spec in the game this tier and its not even close
leaden hazel
it's just kinda unplayable. the fact that they nerfed the belt and we went to last spot on single target just speaks volumes to me
compact bear
Any tips for a new outlaw for mythic+ aoe?
leaden hazel
if only they gave back the power they took from crackshot, it would fix some issues
gaunt phoenix
prekey killing spree and loaded dice and supercharger
leaden hazel
and an aura buff too xD
leaden hazel
they havent nerfed the belt yet
Didn't they nerf it last week?
gaunt phoenix
No it was just announced for 11.2.5
leaden hazel
Oh boy. we are even worse than i thought hahahaha
cinder haven
interesting, vial isn't actually off gcd during ks
gaunt phoenix
wdym
vivid vessel
@proper veldt stop bug abusing noob
cinder haven
you can use vial during ks but it actually triggers the gcd
jolly geyser
100% brightness
cinder haven
idk I guess I expected ogcd somehow
but it means you shouuldn't really use it near the end
hasty locust
!wa
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restive obsidian
I didn't even realize slice and dice cancelaura was a thing
mighty pivot
<@178793651328122881> stop bug abusing noob
torpid fiber
I didn't even realize slice and dice cancelaura was a thing
It's really bad now
worldly sinew
Just don't do it.. you'll end up padding your M+ run and we'll actually look decent and continued to be ignored lol.
red zinc
it does not have significant value
dense bolt
!def
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dawn tundra
Just opened my Vault. I've got two BiS options here, but I'd like to know which is better. Should I get Hero Shoulders (I have Champion already and was thinking of Catalysting them.) or do I get the necklace?
balmy topaz
vivid vessel
I didn't even realize slice and dice cancelaura was a thing
It's cause it does nothing kekw
balmy topaz
mossy shell
who is in the key
earnest vapor
top 10 things that never happened
vivid vessel
People think outlaw rogues are just Perma abusing bugs to do (no) damage
mossy shell
People think outlaw rogues are just Perma abusing bugs to do (no) damage
we aren't?
leaden hazel
Not gonna lie, i was the first one to mock retry pala for closing their discord in protest, but the idea of just rioting it's getting more and more interesting as time goes by with how rogue overall looks like. Those assa bugs are disgusting and so is our beloved outlaw
mossy shell
we are perma abusing bugs and we are also doing no damage
vivid vessel
Not this season unfortunately
mossy shell
so
vivid vessel
Or only in raid
Idk there isn't any relevant bug abuse rn for trickster
Which is unfortunate
Need me a few bugs rn in NGL
cinder haven
better bugs in FB
worldly sinew
Just opened my Vault. I've got two BiS options here, but I'd like to know which ...
Get tier from vault, dont cata champ. Neck/Rings can wait.
mossy shell
isn't there a bugged macro to guarantee coin or something
dawn tundra
Get tier from vault, dont cata champ. Neck/Rings can wait.
Aight. Cheers for the advice.
I already have a Hero neck too, so it's not the BIGGEST loss.
cinder haven
I wonder..
If I'm anyway ignoring the rule to not cancel KS as 1fth
do I really have to build to more than 5 before using it?
vivid vessel
isn't there a bugged macro to guarantee coin or something
Yw that's for fatebound only tho
cinder haven
I guess I do
vivid vessel
We don't play that
torpid fiber
If you're not building to full from KS there might be fucked up supercharger rules
cinder haven
I've tried several times with effective_combo_points yeah 😄
it's maybe ok on FB
but even better is to avoid supercharging KS if you can
our big fat finisher with a long CD
of course it's not worth supercharging
also did a delve earlier today where I got pissed off at KS
it was firing at the little eggs that spawn webs
very useful
this random fire thing is really cooked
vivid vessel
I also love how it's supposed to fire in front of you
And then I see it firing litteraly behind me
During packs
Like ok buddy
leaden hazel
isn't that just visual?
cinder haven
I wonder if the eggs in ara-kara can also be targeted?
keen belfry
i do 0 dmg first pull ara
cinder haven
I mean delve doesn't matter, but ara-kara is real shit
keen belfry
there has to be some shenanigans going on there
keen belfry
what if BF is cleaving them but not kiling them
keen belfry
i do 0 dmg that pull
cinder haven
lemme check some ara log
keen belfry
i have no clue why
keen belfry
UHH i havent been in there in awhile
stiff vector
<@287474341304598539> i'm starting to wonder if there are logs where fatebound H...
I am like 99% convinced there is something that can bug out, dont think its a bug that is always active but like....something is definitely weird for sure 
jolly geyser
Oh we got more bugged stuff?
gaunt phoenix
who knows
long barn
I am like 99% convinced there is something that can bug out, dont think its a bu...
I’m 99% sure too. I just can’t find it.
jolly geyser
I am like 99% convinced there is something that can bug out, dont think its a bu...
lofty latch
I just read the sleight of hand pin. Shook my head the whole time. Crazy how much of our gameplay is dictated by bugs
gaunt phoenix
lofty latch
You guys are amazing for figuring all this out constantly btw
jolly geyser
Also fuck discord and gifs
vivid vessel
isn't that just visual?
Ks is supposed to target things in front of you, it you don't face your target and press ks all the shots will do 0 damage
jolly geyser
On phone
gaunt phoenix
it was chinese rogues that got into sleight first
keen belfry
solo u must find us a log where arakara bugs out first pull and we do no dmg
side note im gearing my feral rn
waiting until 50 energy atleast to press ferocious bite is so funny
stiff vector
I was thinking of leveling a druid to play feral cuz its the only class ive never really played on retail, and feral seems kinda fun
keen belfry
i have nver touched feral i have no idea wha tim doing
drowsy ridge
I started playing Havoc, and it feels unfair how much easier it is and how much more damage it does
long barn
Ks is supposed to target things in front of you, it you don't face your target ...
Wait what? When you KS you don’t face targets? Maybe I’m misreading this.
cinder haven
gonna try KS near eggs in normal ara
stiff vector
my hunter is like 709 now and still got a bunch of crests to use+hopefully pug mythic on him this week....its crazy how much better the class is compared to outlaw, its like im playing a real DPS spec
gaunt phoenix
Wait what? When you KS you don’t face targets? Maybe I’m misreading this.
you do face targets
cinder haven
nah, it doesn't break eggs at least
gaunt phoenix
but if you turn around for 0.1 seconds
your ks will start to miss
idk you see it sometimes
it is lame
frail veldt
i do 0 dmg that pull
dude same
Ill do 16-20mil on first pull of eco or priory
then I do like 10-12 first pull ara
makes no sense
vivid vessel
long barn
Ill do 16-20mil on first pull of eco or priory
I’d like to know this also.
long barn
Ara first pull has to be bugged
frail veldt
genuinely cant be convinced something isnt going on
at this point nothing surprises me
spare dome
bf doesnt target critters
keen belfry
ive had bad pulls where i int and play bad pull, but ive also had 100% uptime pulls with good rolls and good play and i do like 11mil
thin pasture
Does anybody have some genuine tips on how to not ruin my hand?
I’ve been playing Outlaw since it came to be, almost every day as well and I’m finally getting old and my hand is just perma seizing and tensing up.
For extra context, whenever Ace procs while I’m playing I get so excited I tense my hand up, and then repeat each time it procs and by the end of the dungeon my hand is in a bit of pain.
I know I could stop being a dumbass and stop tensing my hand but I can’t, the dopamine rush gets me too much
vivid vessel
ive had bad pulls where i int and play bad pull, but ive also had 100% uptime pu...
I geniuly do not look at details in arakara anymore
Cause everytime I look down I'm under tank
So idk
No point
vivid vessel
Does anybody have some genuine tips on how to not ruin my hand?
I’ve been playi...
Bro gooning to ace procs
@somnius help him
keen belfry
I geniuly do not look at details in arakara anymore
agree but still, first pull i feel like im missing 3-4mil dps
thin pasture
Bro gooning to ace procs
Who needs women when you’ve got Ace procs
leaden hazel
Ks is supposed to target things in front of you, it you don't face your target ...
Ye, exactly, that's what i meant. It's like a cone forward, but visually it shoots everywhere. But that's visuals
vivid vessel
agree but still, first pull i feel like im missing 3-4mil dps
Feel like I'm missing 10 but ok
cinder haven
somnius banned can't help anyone
keen belfry
Feel like I'm missing 10 but ok
ok true
vivid vessel
Ye, exactly, that's what i meant. It's like a cone forward, but visually it shoo...
Well, the targeting is some sort in front of you
Then the damage is single target shot but the. Animation is an AOE cone ye
Don't ask who made that ability
Intern number 47
thin pasture
Feel like I'm missing 10 but ok
I feel like this as well, first pull of Floodgate I struggle to break 10mil, but every other pack after than I’m always around 14/15 mil DPS
vivid vessel
Because
Outlaw is a momentum spec
Which I think you guys still haven't realized
Cause all of you mfs keep telling me how outlaw keys are keys like street and shit
Hell nah my guy
You want momentum
Perma combat
mighty pivot
maybe they thought that by shooting at random directions all around you they indicate that KS has no current target
stiff vector
there is no such thing as "outlaw keys"
vivid vessel
So ye you suck first pack half the time cause without momentum it's just rng
stiff vector
frail veldt
So ye you suck first pack half the time cause without momentum it's just rng
but never as low as ara lol
Unless I low roll
but I know when I low rool
roll*
vivid vessel
long barn
!fuu
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vivid vessel
quiet root
Cause all of you mfs keep telling me how outlaw keys are keys like street and sh...
man streets of all places
who says this
vivid vessel
It probably doesn't help on these packs you play with one less talent the whole pack
cinder haven
Looked at some logs
mighty pivot
those bloodguards in ara ara are almost as bad as priory footmen
frail veldt
Does anybody have some genuine tips on how to not ruin my hand?
I’ve been playi...
stretch, make sure your setup follows good ergonomic standards, can also increase your spell queue window and spam less
cinder haven
But bf damage % looks normal
frail veldt
Could also make an out of combat WA that just says "UNTENSE"
so you get reminded to stop death gripping your mouse
frail veldt
But bf damage % looks normal
ye maybe we just suck then ngl lol
vivid vessel
Does anybody have some genuine tips on how to not ruin my hand?
I’ve been playi...
No real talk tho
I jerk off
frail veldt
could be that the frontals and shit just rob us of so much aoe
vivid vessel
Easy enough
frail veldt
how does that help your hand rofl
craggy quiver
mighty pivot
I jerk off
proof?
sand berry
I've just chalked doing no damage in ara kara up as positioning diff
cinder haven
Nah we can dig more
cinder relic
Take breaks, do hand stretches
drowsy ridge
I always chalked it up to me being bad. So now there are issues, AND I'm bad
frail veldt
If youre getting pain after only an hour or so then id wager your setup sucks
if youre getting pain from playing 5 hours
then you need to take care of your body
its trying to communicate with you
frail veldt
^
quiet root
i mean i might be delusional but isn't part of doing low dmg on ara first pull is that the gathering time is especially long?
frail veldt
I think that only factors once you enter combat
actually
I think its active time
so p sure you have to attack first?
vivid vessel
i mean i might be delusional but isn't part of doing low dmg on ara first pull i...
Idk I hit directly
quiet root
sure but you're hitting sub-8 targets for a lot of that time no?
vivid vessel
so p sure you have to attack first?
Not for details s
Starts when one guy get in combat
quiet root
Starts when one guy get in combat
yeah exactly
thin pasture
No real talk tho
I never need to, the ace procs finish me off by the end of the dungeon
leaden hazel
Don't ask who made that ability
hahahaha
worldly sinew
there is no such thing as "outlaw keys"
Ye Outlaw Routes.. or Outlaw friendly tank.
Me when my tank just keeps pulling 💧 💧 💧
cinder haven
I don’t mind chain pulls at all
worldly sinew
you shouldnt as Outlaw thats the point
quiet root
chain pulling is based
worldly sinew
When the tank just keeps going, Its goonin time
slate forge
My wrist use to hurt then it stopped maybe it’s broken now
quiet root
generally having a broken wrist hurts more than an unbroken one
dawn tundra
I got the BiS Feetie Pajamas!
quiet root
have you considered it was broken then? 🙂
mighty pivot
outlaw gameplay heals broken bones!
midnight granite
Anyone tried to evasion hunt?
chilly ember
dawn tundra
outlaw gameplay heals broken bones!
It does. It's fun thematically. I just wish we hit harder.
chilly ember
dawn tundra
And that our rotation didn't require a degree in mechanical engineering to get.
chilly ember
Luckily I learnt something
gaunt phoenix
wtf
jolly geyser
vapid sundial
@vivid vessel Bm is cinema
keeping up with people at 12
712
at 703
what is this
vivid vessel
Same with outlaw
viscid perch
called blizzard tuning
vivid vessel
I'm 719 keeping up with 714 people
normal forge
why am i feeling doing less dmg than prev week?
vivid vessel
Cause everyone in the game gain . more than you
slate forge
I'm 719 keeping up with 714 people
714 tank
vivid vessel
Bro..
chilly dagger
I feel like as the season has progressed the gap just gets wider
normal forge
Cause everyone in the game gain . more than you
i was afraid of being outdps by a dk tank
chilly dagger
You're still where you're at
serene brook
firstly when ks rework was announced i thought it would be like monk fists: cone aoe damage, seemed pretty logical to me, but when i realized it deals damage only to 1 random target i just wanted to kms
slate forge
Need to tricks mobs onto last boss halls somehow to not do tank dmg
vivid vessel
firstly when ks rework was announced i thought it would be like monk fists: cone...
Rogue devs
Can't even copy an ability
Have to take only the dogshit parts
(long channel, can't kick)
gaunt phoenix
imo taking ks away from blade flurry would have been interesting
vivid vessel
Oh wait fof channel is like half ks
gaunt phoenix
like blade rush
vivid vessel
imo taking ks away from blade flurry would have been interesting
Feel like they tried
vapid sundial
normal forge
i think its time to abandon law, isnt it?
vapid sundial
i think its time to abandon law, isnt it?
Welcome to my life
slate forge
Could just be while blade flurry is active it also hits nearby targets In front of you with square root scaling it’s not that hard
jolly geyser
idk I dont feel like playing my rogue much so I play my pala
vapid sundial
I said i would and i have
agile orchid
i decided to abandon law s1
outlaw in season 2 was kinda banger
vapid sundial
yeah
agile orchid
Ye if you ignore you were killing yourself on cd
yeah but at least you did damage
slate forge
I’d rather die for the chance of being useful
vapid sundial
indigo token
yeah but at least you did damage
i used to top the charts man
LIFE IS PAIN
I HATE
normal forge
sub is good, but its really boring out cds
normal forge
Ye if you ignore you were killing yourself on cd
last season i was king of pugs
vapid sundial
<:feelscryman:585734081304592385> i used to top the charts man
just hit em with the
agile orchid
I even liked the old KS for the stagger effect
stiff vector
its definitely difficult to not want to abandon law right now, things are down horrendously bad and the devs are just too clueless/apathetic to do anything
normal forge
<:feelscryman:585734081304592385> i used to top the charts man
me too, s2 i was king of pugs
agile orchid
its definitely difficult to not want to abandon law right now, things are down h...
they're probably too busy with midnight
it's unfortunate
stiff vector
ye thats not an excuse
vapid sundial
The excuse is
slate forge
What devs 6 month vacation into ks rework ignore all feedback into 6 month vacation isn’t a dev
agile orchid
remember how in dragonflight we used to get substantial class changes in .5 and .7 patches
nowadays we get casual slop instead
indigo token
remember how in dragonflight we used to get substantial class changes in .5 and ...
like I said earlier
if the patch cycle was longer
but the game was less buggy
I think most people would like that more than what we have now
agile orchid
if the patch cycle was longer
pretty sure DF had the same patch cycle
agile orchid
2 months between patches
agile orchid
I could be wrong
vapid sundial
i unno
livid pewter
guess i can stop swapping wep now with a 720 main+offhand?
indigo token
cause they said that they were doing smaller faster expansions with the worldsoul saga
agile orchid
cause they said that they were doing smaller faster expansions with the worldsou...
sure but they did that by cutting the 4th season of the expansion
stiff vector
there is no excuse for how complete hot ass the KS "rework" was(what other abiltiy in the game RANDOMLY targets shit, and fucking slows you for no reason?) especailly considering they litterally ignored all our feedback after asking for it. There is no excuse whatsoever for how horribly the spec is tuned, there is no excuse for refusing to buff it. There really is no excuse for anything rogue related this entire xpac, they just fucked the class over for the entire xpac.
indigo token
there is no excuse for how complete hot ass the KS "rework" was(what other abilt...
convoke?
wait convoke doesnt slow you
uhhhhhh
chilly dagger
I don't like that they came back with the visions thing for a helmet enchant that was used for a month before being greyed out. Like how much resource is wasted on that shit
slate forge
Not getting new hero talents in 11.1 was criminal
agile orchid
I think essence font got removed
slate forge
Then you make tier sets based on them and you still don’t work on them
stiff vector
also its not like it wasnt abundantly clear that outlaws tuning was god awful since PTR...they should have literal months of data at this point
normal forge
they need to bake s2 tierset bonus on our talent tree somehow
slate forge
Rather have actual thematic “hero” talents then this bug filled slop
stiff vector
Crazy how on PTR they actually nerfed nimble flurry BF %, nerfed base BF%, nerfed KS CD which was a significant loss of uptime on Fazed in AoE+less uptime on high FF stacks. Im so shocked that the specs tuning is complete ass...when they nerfed the fuck out of the spec for absolutely 0 reason
leaden hazel
I mean, we just have 1 dead talent as a end of the tree vibe that has been dead for 2 xpacs, greenskin's Wickers. Awfully coded and tunned talent, doesn't really synergies with any pistol shot build or anything at all. That speaks out for itself.
And crackshot was designed to be 100% of dispatch, but it is now a 50%.
Just put up some numbers blizzard, it's not that hard, it takes seconds
slate forge
Blade rush is a dps loss until 40 targets you think they look at anything in the tree we don’t take
leaden hazel
Blade rush is a dps loss until 40 targets you think they look at anything in the...
Forgot that talent still exists, haven't picked it since early shadowlands/bfa
gaunt phoenix
im really not sure talent tree balancing is all that different from other specs
like of all things to complain about, idk if that's the one
stiff vector
I mean, we just have 1 dead talent as a end of the tree vibe that has been dead ...
we have way more than just 1 dead talent, outlaw has a lot more completely dead/useless talents than most specs
prisma sapphire
It is also just the state of things at Blizz. With so many layoffs, that niche hole of spec balancing is totally trashed
If they were truly thriving and really focused on talents and spec balancing, wouldn't there be frequent rebalancing of talents like Blade Rush so they are at least slightly viable?
Youre right
leaden hazel
that's not an excuse, since their most played specs cry 1 week because not top dps and they get heavily buffed
prisma sapphire
Shit has been ignored for entire xpac
jolly geyser
devs gotta play the game to understand it so
prisma sapphire
And yea the KS rework is nice minus those serious issues but we had to deal with that shit for the entirety of S2
The awful KS version
leaden hazel
And not hating on rogue developers, but i've played consistenly for the last 7-8 years since bfa. and the amount of attention other specs received and keep receivinng compared to outlaw is midly insulting, not gonna lie
prisma sapphire
If they gave a damn, would have realized how unplayable it was for 2nd boss mechagon way way ago
stiff vector
Dirty Tricks, Riposte, Ambidexterity, imp main gauche, greenskins, blade rush, triple threat are all either useless/completely irrelevant talents
vivid vessel
And yea the KS rework is nice minus those serious issues but we had to deal with...
the ks rework ruined the spec tho
prisma sapphire
I am also tired of trickster nonsense ever since coup-bug, which i still miss
long barn
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
vivid vessel
i feel like this wasnt that hard to do tho
just make an ability that dont kill me ?
seems easy enough
without ruining the entire spec in the process
idk
slate forge
5% floorpov > 100% bottom of details POV
jolly geyser
I just dont like playing this bloated pos spec that much
vivid vessel
not for rogue devs i guess
stiff vector
the funny part is, I have actually died to new KS before 
because it slows you
for 0 fucking reason
prisma sapphire
And I hate hate hate these energy starved downtimes no matter how well you play
vivid vessel
idk flavor
its so funny
flavor in wow
is just
adding dogshit
annoyances
everywhere
jolly geyser
hassle
vivid vessel
i legit dont get it
like let the game be fun instead or ?
fun = fun ?
then you are having fun
in the video game
or
muted crest
my friends keep telling me that outlaw is good im doing bad xd while i have around 90% adrenaline rush uptime
stiff vector
I dont get why a dogshit, horribly designed ability has to ALSO have a downside to it...why do other specs not have to have "downsides" tied into their damage CDs...am I missing something or..?
jolly geyser
wake of ashes doesnt have downsides
vivid vessel
my friends keep telling me that outlaw is good im doing bad xd while i have arou...
since i started the game in sl outlaw has never been this bad
both in raid and m+
stiff vector
like outlaw was pretty bad in DF S2/abberrus but I cant remember a time the spec has felt this dogshit
prisma sapphire
Cause last season felt shit too in M+ cause of that KS crap
slate forge
Ks takes ALOT of the fun out of it too literally jerking off for 3-4 seconds on my apm spec
jolly geyser
well outlaw def doesnt need more apm
fallow sonnet
since i started the game in sl outlaw has never been this bad
You started playing in SL? Damn I have no excuses I need to get better 😭
stiff vector
the theme of outlaw according to blizzard is suffering
prisma sapphire
Uncontrollable teleporting ability that makes your stress level go to 1000% while dealing with 2nd boss mechagon
snow rampart
S1 nerf is still hilarious.
stiff vector
the spec was not good s1 but I would take s1 outlaw in a heartbeat over this absolute trash in s3 
vivid vessel
ok but
in s1
no one was playing with pjhys comp
outlaw was miles better than it is now
leaden hazel
well outlaw def doesnt need more apm
Specially when the playerbase is getting older and older. I just need those adaptability things for visual clarity and tracking of my own being, it's depressing. My hands and wrists are gone at this point and i enjoy more HO builds that do not require me 4 degrees, 2 masters and 1 PhD to pull 7-8th in dps
vivid vessel
like not even close
prisma sapphire
KIR is getting old
stiff vector
I cant believe on PTR we were actually contemplating if s3 outlaw was worse than S1
were we cooked or?
prisma sapphire
I dont mind playing it but dealing with these roll mechs on top of everything else
Why cant HO be in line
Good god blizz
vivid vessel
I cant believe on PTR we were actually contemplating if s3 outlaw was worse than...
it is worse
no one believed me
sleek pelican
!wa
vivid vessel
now you guys see it or
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
fallow sonnet
Personally I like KIR and managing the rolls and HO is way more boring
stiff vector
nah I mean I knew it was worse cuz I played PTR
I was just confident that it was so bad that we would at least get tuned for sure
fallow sonnet
I worry what the spec will become when blizzard finally picks up on ppl complaining and streamlines it to be boring and braindead
stiff vector
famous last words
fallow sonnet
I hope they actually do a good job when they rework it but idkkk
prisma sapphire
I just want them to care a little more about output ceilings
If you play tjis spec optimally, give us the damage
stiff vector
the rework better be fucking impeccable, thats for sure
fallow sonnet
You have to basically play optimally to keep up with other specs and even then the arcane mage or frost DK or even fury warriors will still slightly out DPS you by smashing their face on the keyboard lol
prisma sapphire
And by ceiling, I mean raising the average dps until it exceeds the average of other specs
slate forge
Spent an entire expansion working on it atleast he better be didn’t do shit all
viscid perch
i mean the spec is hard to play which equals to low popularity and on top of that weak af
stiff vector
but if they are expecting us to deal with this current outlaw for another 6+ months until Midnight, they are completely cooked. It would take all of 5 minutes to just buff the damn spec so it isnt abysmal
prisma sapphire
That way we get rewarded for how hard we have to APM
viscid perch
what do we expect guys
daring oxide
@vivid vessel did you buy a boe belt with socket from AH recently? if so how much did u pay?
olive bramble
When the logs population is a 4th of every other spec in the game it's bad lol
cinder relic
When the logs population is a 4th of every other spec in the game it's bad lol
Outlaw has always been very unpopular in raid, even when it's stronger than it is rn
prisma sapphire
They broke our hearts with keeping KS the same for the entire season
olive bramble
Outlaw has always been very unpopular in raid, even when it's stronger than it i...
Yeah, but it's never been this bad
fallow sonnet
That way we get rewarded for how hard we have to APM
Yeah I feel like if you're playing outlaw like a god AND you get super lucky with a full 6 roll you should do more DPS than most other specs not just match or still be below them 😭
So when you're unlucky it feels real bad
prisma sapphire
The downtime feels brutal
Its sooo up and down
One moment on boss im sitting at 3.5m in middle of fight
And end with 5.25m
Or vice versa
olive bramble
yeah downtime feels very very punishing
daring oxide
just bad timing the devs are busy with midnight development work, and outlaw's problems are too complicated for aura buffs, better to focus on doing a good rework instead
stiff vector
ngl Outlaws boss dmg in raid is kind of like...historically bad in recent history. They usually do not let specs be this bad/far behind in the past 2-3 xpacs of raid tiers, because they usually buff those specs pretty quickly
prisma sapphire
Just give us a flat 10% damage buff
daring oxide
ngl Outlaws boss dmg in raid is kind of like...historically bad in recent histor...
outlaw was great last season
stiff vector
we arent talking about last season?
olive bramble
honestly we need a soft target cap and spec that actually does dmg on single target lol
prisma sapphire
And yea
In terms of variance
One pull I'm doing 98% percentile in M raid
The next I'm at 70
It is all over the place
olive bramble
Yeah consistency is not our thing
prisma sapphire
And my performance i feel is not all over the place
Just the rng
Last tier i felt the range was smaller
My median was like 92
Now its like 65
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> did you buy a boe belt with socket from AH recently? if so...
not with socket, 700k natty one
vivid vessel
ye
daring oxide
low crit high vers
vivid vessel
i would
daring oxide
ok i just got
vivid vessel
i didnt have that back then
daring oxide
ye
vivid vessel
kinda whatever tho
daring oxide
its today's prices
daring oxide
im too impatient to wait for it to go lower
keen belfry
ive done like 67 delves
daring oxide
i only have one
skill issue
random stirrup
why am i not getting sparks on ym druid
May need to turn in the quest at the guy
daring oxide
ive done like 67 delves
slate forge
I think belt prices will go up after belt nerf
random stirrup
By the catalyst
long barn
has to be bounty i think
worldly sinew
As long as they dont blend us into the boring 1.5 2min cd spec that every other spec is getting.. I like being the Uptime Zoomy Always in Combat spec.
keen belfry
May need to turn in the quest at the guy
fragment one?
random stirrup
fragment one?
ya I don’t think it gives a fragment anymore but same thing happened on my alt
keen belfry
By the catalyst
i ddi that one hmm
fallow sonnet
If they want to do target caps then every spec in the entire game should have softcap. Standardize it. I don't always prioritize balance and I think sometimes sacrificing a bit of balance to have more diversity and stronger class themes is good (FF for example is too homogenized) but AOE caps variance is just something I don't understand.
random stirrup
Skill issue then 
fallow sonnet
How can you have some specs be hard capped, some soft capped and some no cap at all??
worldly sinew
Its how I argue "Outlaw is the best swordsman class"
Why? I can on ly hit exactly 8 targets. You know how hard that is?
prisma sapphire
There is def a tradeoff there
"Sick of meta" but variety is also the spice of life
But I get youre also just talking about target cap
olive bramble
Honestly it should be a straight softcap across all classes, it makes balancing so much easier lol.
prisma sapphire
Just buff us so we can laser down 5-8 mobs at a time as fast as someone can laser down 10+
stiff vector
I mean straight softcap does kind of exist across all specs, for the most part.
viscid perch
Yeah I feel like if you're playing outlaw like a god AND you get super lucky wit...
blizzard never tuned a spec by its hardness
leaden hazel
At this point, we should open a therapy group channel for those affected by blizzard ignoring rogue
slate forge
Meta wouldn’t develop so harshly and player perception wouldn’t be so drastic if they did more frequent balance patches fk the race fk mdi make the game fun
olive bramble
I mean straight softcap does kind of exist across all specs, for the most part.
But it should be a consistent softcap, with expected behavior.
random stirrup
I mean straight softcap does kind of exist across all specs, for the most part.
Yea a vast majority are 8 target softcapped
prisma sapphire
We are basically boomers at this point..most of the truly burnt out ones moved on to Frost DK
random stirrup
A couple abilities here and there only obeying the baseline 20 soft cap
viscid perch
its just cringe at this point how much more effort you have to put in the class to do decent dmg yet a 3 button hunter laugh at you while topping the meter
random stirrup
A couple specs capable of breaking that too for some reason
worldly sinew
Yeah I didnt realize how bad we had it till I tried Fury Warrior.. aha... ahahaha...
random stirrup
They also complain they are hard capped but they have a few abilities that just aren’t
worldly sinew
Yeah
prisma sapphire
🤣
worldly sinew
I drool on myself playing Fury
prisma sapphire
I hesitate to touch fury
worldly sinew
dont
slate forge
3-4x easier and more dmg lots of soft caps
worldly sinew
Im losing IQ points i stg
prisma sapphire
Fury is rarely meta in M+
craggy kelp
I legit feel like I’m doing nothing on fury
Unlike outlaw
Literally just spamming rb enrage
worldly sinew
yup
compact bear
guys i just had a run on a +10 and i struggle to keep up with damage. i had a 4.45 overall seems low to me. any suggestions or tips to give me?
agile kernel
arcane mage burst window pressing barrage for 10 seconds topping the charts
worldly sinew
Meanwhile Outlaw im doing too much for the most part
fluid meadow
guys i just had a run on a +10 and i struggle to keep up with damage. i had a 4....
log, and compare to others, best way to learn
fallow sonnet
blizzard never tuned a spec by its hardness
Wut?
buoyant cosmos
guys i just had a run on a +10 and i struggle to keep up with damage. i had a 4....
What was your adrenaline rush uptime?
If you're playing keep it rolling, you also have to have 19% haste
frail veldt
If they want to do target caps then every spec in the entire game should have so...
every spec does have a softcap doesnt it?
slate forge
Didn’t get in the title of the wowhead rankings article again looks like another week of no buffs
frail veldt
except some werid exceptions like stone idol but I think those are even still capped at 20
fluid meadow
every spec does have a softcap doesnt it?
1st thing should be implement to every ability, no matter what u target, 1st and closest target gets the dmg like ks
random stirrup
every spec does have a softcap doesnt it?
Some of the dot specs break the 20 cap
frail veldt
Some of the dot specs break the 20 cap
yeah but dots dont apply to all those units
thats manual application
random stirrup
Main culprit is spriest I believe. Psylink is only capped by the number of dots you can apply
random stirrup
And you can easily put out more than 20
fallow sonnet
Yeah that's fair
I don't think harder specs should necessarily have higher dps ceilings
I just find it funny that an outlaw rogue could be hitting every button perfectly AND be getting god luck on RTB rolls and still outdone most of the time by a braindead 3 button spec.
Basically Im just expressing i feel outlaw needs a buff, and if there's gonna be some RNG then godlike RNG moments should pack a lil more punch.
Not saying it's well designed but If an MM hunter gets god black arrow RNG it sure does show on the dps meter...
frail veldt
apparitions arent soft capped though
thats the only mechanic I know in the game
that linearly scales aoe
up to "infinity" but yeah getting that many dots out isnt exactly free
shadow crash hits 5 targets
and the rest is manual application
random stirrup
6 with 2 charges
random stirrup
Well ye
slate forge
But those 6 can hit the same 6 if you don’t put in different spots
random stirrup
but even in df with one charge you could very easily put out more than 20 even before pack was grouped
frail veldt
yeah for sure
random stirrup
the last time I actually played shadow
frail veldt
but not infinite
my point is just that all specs are soft capped
with some very rare exceptions
so theyre pretty consistent tbh
outlaw is the exception
slate forge
Mind sear using sanity was fun not ranged outlaw bs it is now
frail veldt
where all of the class is hard capped
random stirrup
Current arcane is also very hard capped pretty sure
There’s like 1-2 sources but they aren’t large
random stirrup
Yes yes outlaw is the only one with nothing
frail veldt
saying "well this spec is kinda capped" is not the same
im looking at you MM hunters
even WW isnt capped
I did a key with one
DEFINITELY not hard capped
what a fucking lie
as usual
random stirrup
just that 90% of my key overall being hard 5 capped sources is pretty close to 100% being 8 capped
Unlike some other liar specs
That have like 30% hard capped damage
and complain
frail veldt
I would give so much to evne have a fraction of uncapped damage
fallow sonnet
MM hunters doing 30 morbillion dps
frail veldt
I mean WE PLAY A VETERAN WEAPON
fallow sonnet
How does mm caps work
frail veldt
thats how down bad we are
random stirrup
arcane tuning is kind of what outlaw would be like if blizzard was true to their goal of “classes with hard caps are strong within their niche”
frail veldt
How does mm caps work
they dont have caps
trick shots is the only capped thing about MM
the rest of the spec is uncapped
well
softcapped
proper veldt
arcane tuning is kind of what outlaw would be like if blizzard was true to their...
real
if we hard capped we should get mad prio damage tbh
frail veldt
just that 90% of my key overall being hard 5 capped sources is pretty close to 1...
isnt touch of the magi soft capped
random stirrup
yes
viscid perch
Yeah that's fair
I don't think harder specs should necessarily have higher dps c...
i fully agree with you and at this point its purely luck if we get any buff or not from blizz
frail veldt
and arcane echo
fallow sonnet
Wait soft capping is like
Do you mean hunter can aoe infinite but a chunk % of the DMG is limited to 8 targets ?
frail veldt
isnt that most of your aoe damage
proper veldt
most of arcanes damage is soft capped at 5
swift kite
Is new killing spree used during adrenanile?
proper veldt
but it barely does anything above 8 targets as well
gaunt phoenix
ya
frail veldt
most of arcanes damage is soft capped at 5
SOFTCAPPED
what I would pay
to be softcapped
random stirrup
Nah like 80% is blast/leydrinker barrage and missiles, all hard capped at 5
fallow sonnet
Why does blizz hate us 😭
frail veldt
but it barely does anything above 8 targets as well
whats the actual math on this, like at what target count does a 5 soft cap receive less than 1% more damage for an extra mob
stiff vector
the fact WW's cry about target cap is kinda crazy since msot of their dmg right now is flurry strikes, which isnt capped. Crackling jade lightning isnt capped, and then FoF/SCK is soft capped at 5
random stirrup
And arcane decimates 5 target cleave
frail veldt
And arcane decimates 5 target cleave
somehow they still lose on bigmomma
yet to play with a good mage this season haha
random stirrup
Here’s some random eco dome log from my shit mage, all of those 3 top are hard capped at 5, some of the Phoenix too
viscid perch
Why does blizz hate us 😭
look at the prev season,we were only decent bec guy made a wowhead post about our bugs
stiff vector
oh no poor arcane mage...im sobbing for them irl right now
fallow sonnet
Imagine if arcane wasn't so capped then 😭
random stirrup
oh no poor arcane mage...im sobbing for them irl right now
my point is that outlaw should be gapping on prio and 2-8 target cleave like arcane does within its niche
stiff vector
if arcane wasnt capped it literally be thebest spec in the game by far
random stirrup
You play arcane regardless of the limitation, outlaw should be the same
slate forge
Hard capped at 8 with no prio has to be an illegal dmg profile that cannot exist
random stirrup
if arcane wasnt capped it literally be thebest spec in the game by far
yes
fallow sonnet
I mean they can def have cap variances and balance it, arcane is an example where if they standardized softcaps and arcane got less capped they'd need to be nerfed
But I still think it'd prob be easier to balance long term to standardize it
fallow sonnet
I guess it's fine for it to vary, arcane and outlaw being as you described would be fine
stiff vector
I mean...can a damage profile actually get worse than what outlaws is right now? I genuinely dont think so rofl
fallow sonnet
Especially if they buff outlaw ST
But outlaw being complete hard cap is wild 😭 lol
proper veldt
I mean...can a damage profile actually get worse than what outlaws is right now?...
in my previous key
coudnt time cause we were too slow
I wonder why
slate forge
Only thing outlaw is good at is killing the little gargoyle guys after they run back and no one wants to use cds that’s are niche
frail veldt
my point is that outlaw should be gapping on prio and 2-8 target cleave like arc...
Yeah outlaw isnt even good at the thing its supposed to be best at lol
random stirrup
I mean...can a damage profile actually get worse than what outlaws is right now?...
I wonder if ret pala is worse
keen belfry
what the hell is going on im doing all the weeklies and getting no sparks
frail veldt
it loses on 1-8 targets
random stirrup
Probably not right
compact bear
If you're playing keep it rolling, you also have to have 19% haste
I have 25% haste but I think I lack versa. I have 16%
stiff vector
coudnt time cause we were too slow
yep...know that feel. And no warr/monk buff. It was joever from the start.
slate forge
what the hell is going on im doing all the weeklies and getting no sparks
Played too much mage the higher powers doing what’s good
frail veldt
in my previous key
is this a boss?
stiff vector
what the hell is going on im doing all the weeklies and getting no sparks
reload ur game or something
stiff vector
did you pick up all the weekly quests in dornogal on that character?
frail veldt
outlaw issues
proper veldt
I still meet him in overall tho
frail veldt
time to reroll
proper veldt
like its all a lie
frail veldt
all you did was steal funnel
random stirrup
Yeah outlaw isnt even good at the thing its supposed to be best at lol
You don’t feel arcane’s target cap much because you are blasting on low target cap pulls/st/funnelmaxxing so you always feel useful regardless of target count (as outlaw should feel)
frail veldt
should have turned off bf
proper veldt
in my previous key
overall is the same but this is the damage you do to prio targets
red zinc
I still meet him in overall tho
you did what to him
proper veldt
you did what to him
lmao
frail veldt
You don’t feel arcane’s target cap much because you are blasting on low target c...
Yeah having a useful damage profile is pretty important
esp when arcanes overall damage is still pretty on par with other specs
random stirrup
outlaw funnel spec when
keen belfry
look this isnt even going up after every weekly
frail veldt
same overall but a way more useful profile
frail veldt
look this isnt even going up after every weekly
weirdge
red zinc
look this isnt even going up after every weekly
krill issue
frail veldt
well you only get 1 from the weekly
@keen belfry
the rest you get from catchup mechanics
like raid
red zinc
just do delves
stiff vector
no you guys dont get it "prio" and "funnel" are just buzzwords, they dont mean anything
keen belfry
oh is that so
stiff vector
keen belfry
ive been doing delves tho
strong cargo
thaaaaaaank you !! I have a blackscreen bug every time I spend some time alttabed with wow running, this will save me a lot of game restarts ! ❤️ ❤️
frail veldt
you should get them from delves p sure idk if its 100% though
frail veldt
LOOOOOOOOOOOL
keen belfry
no gilded uncap
real?
leaden hazel
!fuu
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
leaden hazel
!bug
ornate heathBOT
[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)
tawny meteor
gaunt phoenix
near the inn to get 100 titan fragments
whole vigil
!tier
fluid meadow
how can i report the leaver npc-s?
civic zephyr
any idea on what should be upgraded? only the boots and signet ring are hero track
gaunt phoenix
mythic helm?
civic zephyr
ok ty!
gaunt phoenix
i didnt know it was mythic
slate forge
Aren’t myth trinkets insane?
civic zephyr
i didnt know it was mythic
oh yeah, helm is mythic
red zinc
does gambit work for the dungeon weekly
or is it legit only tww dungeons
(saw that HoA just doesnt count for it)
gaunt phoenix
you can follower dungeon
red zinc
the mythic dungeon weekly
gaunt phoenix
oh idk
cinder haven
I only know of HoA not working but could be more
fluid meadow
should edit this pic changeing players to blizz npc-s cuz it's real they do the same
rich moon
question, how much would be consider a good uptime in AR on a boss fight like plexus? 90%+?
gaunt phoenix
more than that
Fatebound doesnt really lose AR unless you just get turbo rng fucked
strong cargo
get resilient 15s, fight several times to time your 15 key, tag your 16, play 2min and back with a 15.
I understand why there isn't enough keys in lfg 🙂
frail veldt
question, how much would be consider a good uptime in AR on a boss fight like pl...
yeah prob 99-100% for fatebound haha its pretty overloaded with cdr
vivid vessel
THEY ADDED BUFF TRACKING TO THE CD MANAGER
tf you yapping about
that was in from day 1
frail veldt
on mythic you could drop it though if you arent careful
wintry solar
Artifact recolors not being in remix is the biggest L blizzard has done in recent history.
indigo token
icy cedar
wintry solar
What will you be hiding?
hallow crow
