outlaw

[elder phoenix]

DID I COOK?

[gaunt phoenix]

waow

solele

[fiery parcel]

is this enough haste for Kir

[gaunt phoenix]

yes

over double the amount needed

[clear tulip]

that means double the dps right

[wintry solar]

That means his energy outside of adr is only ever so slightly better

[cold jewel]

what a time to be alive

[gaunt phoenix]

waow

[hardy thicket]

2 hander

[fiery parcel]

wait but HO also only needs ~10%, so if I go ho ima do 4x the damage

[cold jewel]

[glass mortar]

this guy maths

never seen someone math so hard

[grim spear]

like "If everyone’s damage goes up by 1%, then the raid’s total damage will go up by 20%."

[fiery parcel]

so true tho

[glass mortar]

this is why shaman buff is so op

3-8% dps on each member in the raid, thats like 90% more boss dps

💅

[serene brook]

if only math worked this way

[glass mortar]

it does if you dont think hard enough

[frail veldt]

does it not?

if theres 13 other dps and you give them 5% dps each and you assume youre exactly middle of the pack dps wise, your effective dps is more like 100 + 65

raid buffs are op af

jeez

[glass mortar]

we said the boss dps

not ur dps

[frail veldt]

well yeah

[glass mortar]

very very different things

[frail veldt]

more boss dps

from you

op

[glass mortar]

yes but not 90% more dps to the boss

but yes raid buffs op

[wintry solar]

Imagine alpha is today and solo has precognition

[vivid vessel]

Are these swords

And do I have to spend 30e for them

[humble quiver]

Hello, I have a question. When u use ur prism on outlaw ? there is best timing or i use it every time i press adrenaline ?

[gaunt phoenix]

the generic rule is to send it with vanish after a KIR (so 4+ buffs are rolling) but you can flex it based on pulls or amp bosses etc

[cinder haven]

the biggest juiciest pull when you have good vibes or something

[humble quiver]

forget to precise i was asking for M+, but i guess it's the same

[covert kestrel]

looks like they should be

the ones below are dagger?

[vivid vessel]

I think imma spend 30e idk

@frail veldt real hard earned money

Not gold

[frail veldt]

spending an hour worth of work

on daggers?

you wild boy

[vivid vessel]

At 10e an hour that's 3 hours

[frail veldt]

bro you aint 10e an hour

[vivid vessel]

But I am

[frail veldt]

I thought you said 30

[vivid vessel]

Nop

[frail veldt]

damn

3 hours of work

for those weps?

[vivid vessel]

Yup

[tulip quarry]

Outch that's low :w

[frail veldt]

youre out of your god damn mind

[vivid vessel]

[wintry solar]

It's worth zac

[frail veldt]

I would never

3 hours of work

[wintry solar]

Get your dream mog

[tulip quarry]

great mog buff your dps by 10%

True storry

[vivid vessel]

yup

[frail veldt]

that is so far from worth hahhahaha

can you buy it with gold?

you make more money playing wow bro you should be buying everything with wow gold

[vivid vessel]

broo

its so pointy ..

[balmy topaz]

Does it sheathe on your back tho

[vivid vessel]

hm

i doubt

[balmy topaz]

L

[copper radish]

What is that

[vivid vessel]

a sword ..

[frail veldt]

3 hours of work

[copper radish]

Might be worth if it back sheathes if not def not farming that lol

[frail veldt]

no not farming

3 hours of zacs life at work lol

it does look cool though

Did it come with other items @vivid vessel

[copper radish]

Wait are these real money mogs lol

[vivid vessel]

ye bunch of ugly stuffs

[copper radish]

Only time I’ve felt okay spending money on mogs is the shadowlands wraithchill illusion and the gilded mount 😂

And now I think about that gilded purchase and I’m like….. 🤦‍♂️

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt ok sure i will buy it with wow gold

[frail veldt]

proud of you

[vivid vessel]

800k

[glass mortar]

think of how many potential french taco

[vivid vessel]

wait nvm thats 3

[glass mortar]

that mog woulda cost

🫡

proud o u zac

[vivid vessel]

bro

the conversion rate

is so fucking bad

[glass mortar]

yes

[frail veldt]

still worth

[wintry solar]

If you used real money you'd have bought it by now

[copper radish]

Wait we can add $$ to our blizzz balance from these? Bout to turn wow into a full time job

[wintry solar]

The bandaid would've been ripped off

[glass mortar]

yes ive known quite a few players that do sales and dont pay for wow time they just use gold

[frail veldt]

ye ofc

[copper radish]

Come find me on the discount wow token black market

[glass mortar]

or for any blizzard shop purchases

[frail veldt]

I know people who do it just through professions

[vivid vessel]

@frail veldt

[frail veldt]

sup

[vivid vessel]

i buy it with paypal money right

[frail veldt]

wat

[vivid vessel]

which is directly generated from playing wow

trough twitch

[frail veldt]

LOL

[vivid vessel]

so its not even real moeny

toughts?

[frail veldt]

sure zac

I guess thats almost logical

[vivid vessel]

ty

[covert kestrel]

#fixoutlaw and #getzacabetterjob, the newest focus of our energies

[copper radish]

Bro is using girl math on his money 😂

[serene brook]

i mean... not really worth it, sword and dagger in hands for reference

[vivid vessel]

idk the swords are crazy no ?

[frail veldt]

swords p cool

[vivid vessel]

I have very few swords i like in the game

and i dont wanna miss up on one of the few i like

so im buying

it is what it is

[serene brook]

in tradepost in few months

recolor ofc

[glass mortar]

swords r cool but the texture and color will really limit how well it matches mogs imo

ye itll be recycled on trading post in a year i will just wait

[copper radish]

Midnight needs to have some cool back sheathe weapons

[vivid vessel]

meh

i often think swords can match with anything

as sort of standalone pieces

[glass mortar]

they usually can

this one has a pretty specific structure around the energy blade tho

and very distinct coloring

[glass mortar]

maybe u can use enchant textures to change the color

[chilly ember]

want this

[copper radish]

That capes 🔥 literally and figuratively

[vivid vessel]

idk looks cool to me either way

[glass mortar]

if u like it then im happy ur happy with ur purchase zac

🥰

i think it clashes with that mog completely

[vivid vessel]

noob

[glass mortar]

if it didnt have the white petals by the hands

it would fit better

and be more generic mog approchable imo

[vivid vessel]

i barely see these

but ye agreed

btw weran

rate the mount ?

[glass mortar]

if u mog an enchant over it

does it change the whole sword color well

is that the mythic dimi mount?

[vivid vessel]

yuh

[glass mortar]

gz

i wont be getting that this season i quit raiding 😴

[wintry solar]

A dwarf without a beard or hair should be a bannable offense

This is why you're my #3 outlaw

Zac

[gaunt phoenix]

wtf is that

dimmy mount

neat

[wintry solar]

It's a "dwarf"

Oh

[chilly ember]

well should use dwarf

[daring oxide]

bro what cloak is that?

[daring oxide]

huge grats

[tired rune]

that cloak is fire

is that demensius mount?

[vivid vessel]

y

[tired rune]

nice, grats

[chilly ember]

They said its one of the loot in 11.25

[glass mortar]

this mog is from legion remix

theres multiple color versions of it rewarded from different activities in it iirc

[chilly ember]

want that

!!!

Cant wait to use blastfurious machete haha

[quaint mauve]

you got CE?

gratz!

[vivid vessel]

CE

[proven ocean]

gz bozo

best mount in the game

[indigo token]

so zac

how was the tiuer

tier

[vivid vessel]

fine

bosses were fun

[covert kestrel]

https://tenor.com/view/press-f-pay-respect-coffin-burial-gif-12855021

[wintry solar]

I wish cats would stop slapping each other

It makes me sad

:(

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-smacking-other-cat-cat-cat-smack-cat-swat-gif-10347810988835752163

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[glass mortar]

eh the one on the left was asking for it

[gaunt phoenix]

cats are funny

[wintry solar]

This violence never ends!

[normal forge]

which addon u use to see ur mouse cursor in the middle of all hell loose during raid?

[vivid vessel]

gcd cursor

wago

[quaint mauve]

it’s 110° outside

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-silly-cat-happy-cat-smile-gif-11748501437476694103

[gaunt phoenix]

https://tenor.com/view/cta-gif-27652056

[proper veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/rigby-cat-rigby-cat-cat-stare-rigby-tongue-gif-12118654088387148905

[red zinc]

literally me

[keen belfry]

wait casual is playing dk again

cooked?

[red zinc]

What was he playing

[keen belfry]

dk

[red zinc]

what

fuck you awang

[gaunt phoenix]

[keen belfry]

death knight

[red zinc]

i aint falling for it

You bumbling gremlin

[keen belfry]

hes playing dk!!

ive seen him playing his DH and DK too much

[leaden hazel]

Fellow comrades, i have a life or death situation question. I may happen to not be a filthy WASD player. Instead, i use mouse movement. Sometimes, during raid progression or m+ push, i may happen to misclick while moving away from aoes and accidentally click on a wheelchair retri pala or an unga bunga warrior charging forward. So, my question is: Is there any way you can dissable clicking on an allied during combat or forever? Like a toggle up option, addon, script. I don't care, as long as i don't accidentally click onn someone and start losing my presious white attacks.

[keen belfry]

apparently some keys u are also dropping your mage(??) for DH?

[red zinc]

Why

[keen belfry]

kiras mage is playing dh in a few keys i think

no clue

[red zinc]

arent they pretty similar

I guess arcane is more concentrated damage

but similar profiles?

[keen belfry]

dh uncapped funnel

i have no clue why tho

[red zinc]

Why they have that or why they swap

[keen belfry]

why they swap

[red zinc]

ye idk only differences are the st and damage concentration

in my eyes

[gaunt phoenix]

is it right click

https://wago.io/pXEazW1cq

[red zinc]

ok then

whos healing now

Shaman?

[keen belfry]

always rsham ye

i think kira group is pwar rsham hunter dk X

[vivid vessel]

Well they are struggling with resto sham

[keen belfry]

yeah

[vivid vessel]

They might go a bit more with resto druid

I know they haven't been able to time 19 flood

Even tho they did like

[keen belfry]

i was watching their flood they were talking about it

[vivid vessel]

10 tries

Which is crazy

[red zinc]

en then you need mage again eh

[keen belfry]

its swampface right?

[vivid vessel]

Ye

Their comp is very squishy

We just one shotted the key

Cause we are tanky

[keen belfry]

sunfury mage spec is much squisher than spellslinger last saeason

[leaden hazel]

You may or may not have saved my life. I shall forever be grateful towards your being

[red zinc]

I still dont get how people say hunter is tanky now

[keen belfry]

and mage is already bad at swamp face

[gaunt phoenix]

[red zinc]

Its really not that great

[keen belfry]

phys comp is so chill, unkillable specs with 5 melee kicks

ignore tuning

[red zinc]

way better than before but you still have bosses where you dont have a button for a mechanic

[gaunt phoenix]

Hi, I just imported this WA and unfortunately it does not open the context menu of NPC-s. So I cannot interact with vendors, quest givers etc.

Hmm maybe don't load it in overworld

[red zinc]

lowkey though

How does shadow priest still exist in its current state

[gaunt phoenix]

tho it says you can double right click idk

[red zinc]

Dogwater interrupt, 3 buttons / 2gcds to get 20% dr and a piss shield

[trail plinth]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[leaden hazel]

Hahahahah full autism wa, i like it

[red zinc]

they went over every class with m+ util issues except priest idk

peculiar to me

[leaden hazel]

imma give it a try

[keen belfry]

i just cant believe dk

that spec is so giga

like actually so giga

[indigo token]

what is wrong with you

like

[red zinc]

Be nice

[gaunt phoenix]

that seems rude

[indigo token]

you can control how you want to

sorry

im just stunned

ive heard of clickers for hotbars

[keen belfry]

trinket the stun?

[indigo token]

but never solely using the mouse

[red zinc]

Spec could have no buttons and still be tankier than like 3-4 classes

No cappy

[indigo token]

i mean

[red zinc]

how ams isnt a 2min cd is beyond me

[gaunt phoenix]

well now you have

[indigo token]

ig thats what the "click the middle mouse to move forward" is for

you learn smth new every day

[keen belfry]

grip, insane dmg, amz, ams, unkillable, good dmg profile, st blater mcgee, ranged kick

[indigo token]

no raidbuff tho

[red zinc]

Naw it deserved abom limb class talent too

[keen belfry]

their nonraidbuff is better than ours

[indigo token]

OMG

timmy

https://x.com/sharkfishqt/status/1967756165212934254

miso🍜 (@sharkfishqt)

friend asked me to make a void form glorp so here he is lol

X · Sep 16, 2025, 1:03 AM

[red zinc]

[indigo token]

https://x.com/sharkfishqt/status/1968011213293715750

miso🍜 (@sharkfishqt)

Premonition of Glorpity

X · Sep 16, 2025, 5:56 PM

AND THIS ONE

[gaunt phoenix]

[indigo token]

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/glorp-gif-2344071593813059019

Oops

[keen belfry]

what should i do with my 30 gildeds

[gaunt phoenix]

hmm

[indigo token]

MY GLORP

[keen belfry]

save for next week?

[leaden hazel]

I've been hit in the head for hobby 🙂 99

[red zinc]

Cant you upgrade belt

Or wait

[leaden hazel]

And also i play outlaw no matter what in eevery content

[indigo token]

based

[gaunt phoenix]

that is M melt

[red zinc]

no save for next week and upgrade your other craft and get a new one

[indigo token]

how long have you been playing like that

[keen belfry]

i think play is save to upgrade craft next week then upgrade whatever i get from vault

my 3rd craft is a dagger i no longer use

soimetimes use in keys

[red zinc]

ye

You can either upgrade something or make 4th craft if your vault is ass

[keen belfry]

my semi static group really wants me to not play law cuz they dont want to pull like we have a law

[untold yarrow]

is priory even playable without a dk

i dont think it is

[vivid vessel]

when we did our priory we got r1 timer

[untold yarrow]

with dk?

[vivid vessel]

no lol

[red zinc]

no

[vivid vessel]

wiht outlaw

🕉️

[untold yarrow]

[red zinc]

What that symbol mean

[untold yarrow]

nice :om

[keen belfry]

so many people dont realize u can change small things and just not require a dk for so many pulls

[red zinc]

why are you saying slurs zac

Wtf

[untold yarrow]

i dont mean

[leaden hazel]

@gaunt phoenix That WA doesn't consistenly work, it's wierd af. I will keep testinng it tho

[untold yarrow]

dk for damage awang

i mean dk for grip

[vivid vessel]

we lost r1 now but ye

[untold yarrow]

and for 2nd boss

[keen belfry]

yes so many things u can change that just make grip not required

[untold yarrow]

like?

you just make the hunters not jump

and move

okayge

[red zinc]

just be full melee and the guys jump to you automatically

[keen belfry]

ye

[vivid vessel]

not really

you just suffer a bit

then time the key

[keen belfry]

its just small suffer people think its impossible

[untold yarrow]

and dk makes 2nd boss giga ez too

and can giga tank the focus from the elementals

[keen belfry]

i get so many "this key is impossible with no dk" because the tank pulls like they have a dk

like the demolitoniust pull in flood

if a tank does that with no dk, in a pug, you should ban him

[untold yarrow]

yo umean double demo?

[keen belfry]

yeah

[keen belfry]

vanish and cloak are quite good too

[untold yarrow]

ok

[red zinc]

Just invite the bursting shot goat (me)

[untold yarrow]

but dk can tank it ever 45s

[red zinc]

I line that shit up with the pythagorean theorem

[untold yarrow]

and do every or every other soak on boss

helps the tank a lot

[keen belfry]

ive cancelled 3 in a row

so many ppl default to dk when u can just play the key like u dont have a dk

if the pull is cursed without a dk, you pull it differently

[untold yarrow]

bro

[red zinc]

The real play is to vanish right before the icd comes up so it never targets you and kills the hunter instead

[untold yarrow]

u say like pugs have perefct corodination

even first pull

you get hunters standing in africa

i mean the npcs

and yes

without a dk they dont jump

to you

and they dont die

the miniboss dies first

like what

[keen belfry]

chill cuh wtf

i agree with u

[untold yarrow]

xddd

[red zinc]

I mean the first pull i see in every posf pug is just wrong

Regardless

[keen belfry]

yes

[red zinc]

Mfs pulling knights in season 4

🥀

[untold yarrow]

season 3 but

[keen belfry]

i just paly with idiot tanks who blame the non dk comp when they do dk comp puulls

[untold yarrow]

still

[red zinc]

Theyd still be pulling em in season 4 if we had one

No cappy

[untold yarrow]

is the knight pull skippable without rog

without waiting 2 hours

[keen belfry]

yes

iujust invish skip first pack with whatever your comp has then run to left

[untold yarrow]

idk big boy ive been tanking recently and i gotta say having dk vs not having dk in psf in PUGS makes giga diff

but ok cool to know

[keen belfry]

you are just used to them, but yes to provide a lot

giga spec in every key

i cant type today my brain is blowin gup

[untold yarrow]

honestly

maybe halls

is the other key i;'d want one

otherwise idgaf

[keen belfry]

so many tanks will tank a group that can move not ontop of the huntmaster then be like "ugh i need a dk for this dfungeon"

like no bro just move the stuff to the houndmaster xd

[red zinc]

I mean i imagine you’re barely playing full melee

Goober ranged pugs will make it a living hell if they stay outside

[keen belfry]

just pull mobs onto houdmaster gg

[frail veldt]

so many tanks refuse to go left

but I swear

if you have 2 or more melee

FUUUUCK going right

it makes the 1st boss so hard

uptime is so shit with those stupid fucking circles

0/10

[red zinc]

Aint never gone right

if a tank goes right im gettin that abandon

[cinder haven]

I love left

[shy pecan]

next expansion prior will be in the dungeon pool and you will go middle

[keen belfry]

what should i craft on my mage

[untold yarrow]

ive only been going right

[keen belfry]

neck? ring? bracers?

[untold yarrow]

on my prot pally

kekw

[copper radish]

When buffs. Where is Vai’s prediction at

[untold yarrow]

isnt left banned on higher keys

because of the aoe + leap combo

[keen belfry]

im only renwon 14

[untold yarrow]

plus tanks just getting brown up

[keen belfry]

wheres my rune

[untold yarrow]

blown

[keen belfry]

phsy comp goes left and did psf on 19

[timid rock]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[untold yarrow]

damn

i thought warr tanks were struggling with thta left boss

[covert kestrel]

high heels

[drowsy ridge]

My dice in D&D have been as good as my RtB rolls recently

[keen belfry]

brew

[untold yarrow]

ahhh

ok

i think for warr its illegal

but idk

i dont play warr

[keen belfry]

ive done that key on 17 with pwarr

[untold yarrow]

and pally?

[keen belfry]

i dont play with pally

[untold yarrow]

tox

[keen belfry]

they deserve jail

and they just die

[untold yarrow]

?????

[keen belfry]

i swear ppals and vdhs are most toxic players in wow

[untold yarrow]

sadge but true

i mean prot is kinda

sometimes u just get 1 tapped

and tahts the way it is

[slate forge]

Do I take the belt from halls or socket using delve belt rn

[vivid vessel]

buy boe belt

socket it

easy?

[frail veldt]

buying boes is never worth unless you have like over 3 mil and you plan to make it back

[vivid vessel]

bro

the belt is like

500k

tf you saying

[frail veldt]

2 months of play time

[untold yarrow]

zac is a dirty booster tho

frfr

[vivid vessel]

half a boost

[untold yarrow]

🕉️

[vivid vessel]

🕉️

[untold yarrow]

you get 250k for 17 boost?

each

[slate forge]

Wow pay 2 win sucks on mobile how much is a decent belt on N.A.

Help me

[untold yarrow]

KEKW

classic meme

[slate forge]

Why is ring 2.7 milly

[craggy barn]

i finaly replaced miniature roulette

gdi

[torpid heath]

We won guys

almost lost vs prot war on last boss tho

[cinder haven]

Heawingwain

[covert kestrel]

we have @wintry solar at home

[wintry solar]

:[

[untold yarrow]

what key

[torpid heath]

eco

14

[untold yarrow]

big

how does prot warr out dps you on last tho

theres no spell reflect fuckery or

[torpid heath]

i low rolled

[untold yarrow]

sadge

[torpid heath]

was at 3.12 he was at 3.06

[untold yarrow]

crazy st

[torpid heath]

xD

[untold yarrow]

god i hate warriors

my prot pally st feels so anemic

[stiff vector]

Tfw I’m fighting the prot/brew on bosses and competing for last in boss dmg in raid and then I go do 5m st on my rat geared hunter

Crazy can’t even get the bare minimum from blizzard so that we can actually be a normal class that isn’t fighting the tank on bosses

[tired rune]

yeah my hunter slapssss

[torpid heath]

im thinking going back to arcane xd

[tired rune]

I legit just push buttons and absolutely bomb damage

[torpid heath]

but outlaw is looking at me like that

https://tenor.com/view/madison-beer-cannoli-freak-face-funny-gif-1811039757239763447

[covert kestrel]

[exotic gale]

[stiff vector]

Ye I’ve been playing a lot of DR BM in keys and it blasts, literally basically just spamming my black arrow during CDs with a KC or barbed weaved in..class is legit so brain dead it’s crazy

Tbh I’ve said it’s a DK xpac before but low key it’s kind of a Hunter xpac…class legit just been turbo good the entire xpac in raid and keys

[tired rune]

Yeah then we're out here fighting for every GCD to maintain average damage

[worldly sinew]

Outlaw makes me feel like Spongebob with those inflatable Swol arms.

It looks like we're doing damage, it feels like we're doing damage.. but we're not doing damage.

[stiff vector]

Avg damage even when running full phys..without it just trying not to get gapped, legitimately doesn’t matter how good you play or high rolling

[tired rune]

yeeeeeeeeep, nice xpac

[junior coral]

Lmao this is perfect

[stiff vector]

It’s crazy when I compare how hard shit hits on outlaw to a spec that is actually not tuned like shit, it’s no wonder our ST is hot ass, literally everything on outlaw hits for absolute piss

Like why is the hardest hitting thing on the spec..our freaking cape proc ???

[tender wedge]

i'll take what i can get tbh 😂

[keen belfry]

https://medal.tv/games/world-of-warcraft/clips/l7iMjTPoGZe445nA_?invite=cr-MSxvVXksNDU1MDEwMw

fart noise death WA so good guys just listen

[quaint mauve]

every day i just wake up and think

surely they aren’t that clueless

surely

[ocean lodge]

well you see guys, outlaw does well on two bosses, therefore fine

[stiff vector]

thats a classic this season....eyes fatigued, tired from playing outlaw in keys for 5 hours, next thing I know, im floorpov in an ecodome because I just didnt see the lizards line

[keen belfry]

see i literally turned around and blast waved

bro mustve ranged me

that goat lziard

[quaint mauve]

streets green gtextire always gets me somehow

[stiff vector]

ive gotten slain by the goat once when we were chaining to packs before last boss, and the fucking lizards line went through the god damn mountain from behind me and sniped my ass, couldnt see the line at all

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-raccoon-absolute-cinema-gif-17862327649353748812

[ocean lodge]

what did you guys craft this week?

[stiff vector]

I think im crafting gloves

[ocean lodge]

I'm just kinda looking at how little free slots I have like lol

[stiff vector]

then gonna just buy myth belt when delve belt gets nerfed in 11.2.5

[stuck sparrow]

Yeah they just locked 2 of your low impact slots this tier.

[ocean lodge]

I bought mine because it was cheap and the announcement will cause a price spike probs

But I have a vers>haste offpiece pair of gloves, and catalyzed mythic bracers so lol

Like I -guess- ring or neck?

[sullen narwhal]

Which rogue spec is the hardest to play?

Outlaw is not easy, it's the highest apm one, but i always find sin and sub to be more difficult to play, mostly because of a couple of very weird mechanics in aoe

Outlaw instead makes a lot more sense

[glass mortar]

Sin is easiest to play by far if u look at just st

[sullen narwhal]

The rotation is somewhat complex, but at least everything makes sense

[glass mortar]

In aoe I'd say it's much harder then it's st tho

More nuance anyway

Sub doesn't really get more complicated in aoe

And law obviously

[wide flare]

If outlaw makes sense to you it may be easier but it’s a lot less linear

[ocean lodge]

probably sub just because it's the easiest to fuck up

[glass mortar]

If ur adjusted to outlaw any cd spec probably feels harder to learn

[sullen narwhal]

The thing is, i mostly find sub and sin harder to play because it doesn't flow that well in aoe, and has some very weird mechanics

[glass mortar]

Even if they wouldn't to someone learning new specs from scratch

[wide flare]

Yeah if you mess up during burst phase you’ll fldo no damage as sub

[ocean lodge]

I'm comfortable with sin, but I'm not playing it because bugs

[sullen narwhal]

Sin aoe is weird with caustic and not being able to spread reliably with anything other than carnage, but sub takes aoe weirdness on another level

[dawn talon]

sin aoe has some meaningful nuance but thats made up for by being the single easiest melee spec in the game in st

so you can devote a lot of mental bandwidth to learning the aoe

[stark girder]

Not sure anything is easier than fury war in any setting 😄

[dawn talon]

it definitely is

i could play assa without looking at my monitor

anyway outlaw is very conceptually simple but its unique for wow in that the execution is HARD

[untold yarrow]

is Dawnbreaker harder than priory?

Idk why my 15 dawnbreaker has a higher region placement than 15 priory

[dawn talon]

tighter timer in high keys if u have weak boss damage

[stark girder]

Don't think it is, the only hardish part of dawn is the bugs and the first boss with the bugs

Priory has some nasty pulls

[dawn talon]

people actively avoid doing dawn

[frail veldt]

why didnt he move

[dawn talon]

so theres just less total keys

[untold yarrow]

i feel like

dawn is ok

its basically if tank lives

you're gucci

[frail veldt]

nah

first boss can be p hard

for healers

[untold yarrow]

yeah first is healer check

true

[stark girder]

And if the first boss doesn't decide to bug out and stand in shit wiping the whole party

[frail veldt]

also the 2nd(?) boss too

[frail veldt]

thats not even a bug its just rng

she just does that

afks in the bad

dawn is a horrible dungeon

[dawn talon]

healer check then 5 tank iq checks in a row

[untold yarrow]

where

[frail veldt]

unenjoyable from start to finish

[untold yarrow]

i mean

tank iq is just surviving the nasty ass pulls

[dawn talon]

route and pull order

[untold yarrow]

double outside cathedral -> 4 mopbs into miniboss -> orb with lust -> back for more trash

some shit like this

[frail veldt]

omg wang this was you???

[dawn talon]

yo im going to take the double tank dot with no healer or dps cds :p hope i dont get globalled!!

[frail veldt]

the fuck are you doing

[dawn talon]

the mob was like 1yd out of his blast wave

[frail veldt]

just move

why even waste a gcd on blast wave

[untold yarrow]

the double shadow?

[frail veldt]

trolling lowkey nocap

[dawn talon]

ya

[untold yarrow]

yeah but tank holds cds

from boss

you shouldn't need cds anyway

[dawn talon]

you need at least 1 dps to hit something

[untold yarrow]

defs for tank taht is

i mean

[dawn talon]

or a healer to have something for you

if it lives forever u just get owned

[untold yarrow]

its a hard pull but

yeah

on prot you run out of cds

[dawn talon]

yep

[untold yarrow]

but if you go ardent into tyr

you get it back by the time bubble and goak ends

and u prob proc bonus goak

and then u get it back again

pretty sure you can also spellward it

i agree tho

its a hard healer + tank check

[stiff vector]

man sub is just so unenjoyable in keys

[vivid vessel]

[untold yarrow]

i really like when i have no blades or dance up, no tea (ty auto procs) and I'm barely able to backstab on ST

giving me assa ptsd

[keen belfry]

thats me!!!

i thought my blastwave would hit it

[frail veldt]

the tea auto procs

drive me fucking CRAZY

what a horrendous change

they made it worse

and if anything they made it HARDER

[stiff vector]

its so boring like idk how anyone enjoys this spec in keys, its like semi enjoyable on a big pull with CDs and gigastacked prism but outside of that there is nothing to enjoy about the spec...like im either afk, or im just spamming SS+BP outside of cds

[frail veldt]

cuz now you have to play around not letting your energy dip

[sullen narwhal]

Yea i really dont like how sub plays in aoe right now

[frail veldt]

so its MORE WORK

like wtf were they thinking!?!??!?!?!

[fathom bramble]

this is basically how I feel about playing it in raid

[untold yarrow]

its omega bad

[stiff vector]

ye I mean raid its slightly more tolerable but

[untold yarrow]

the auto tea

idk

why isnt there a toggle for it

[fathom bramble]

auto tea is real cringe

should have absolutely been a choice node

[untold yarrow]

its legit a hinderance

like you're playing with an affix since it was added

the affix is you fuck your energy

[fathom bramble]

in raid I feel like I'm doing the exact same thing every pull and none of it matters outside of cds

[frail veldt]

its so funny that it made it harder

when their goal was def to make it easier

[untold yarrow]

tbh

the nice thing in raid is how repeatable it is

but same with assa omega boring

the fact that sub does legit zero damage outside of CDs is the worst part imho

they should buff energy regen by 50%

[fathom bramble]

the repeatability is very boring to me, but it is absolutely one of subs strengths

[untold yarrow]

and it would be more fun

i just wana press buttons

[random stirrup]

i really like sub in raid but i dont think there would be much overlap with outlaw

very very different specs

[untold yarrow]

ngl

i always prefer sub/assa in raid over outlaw

on ST bosses

[random stirrup]

assa is kinda horrible though

[tender wedge]

i must be weird, i like assa in raid

[fathom bramble]

sub was definitely more fun when dance uptime was way higher

[untold yarrow]

any spec that requires you to literally AFK

is fucking borked

[sullen narwhal]

Well, that's what the sub players wanted, i really don't agree though.

But overall i actually really like shadowcraft and shadow blades, it's just that the hero talents complicate the aoe rotation way too much

[fathom bramble]

you still had the burst during big cds but you were actually doing something outside of them

[random stirrup]

the planning aspect of sub is very fun in a controlled environment like raid

in keys its kinda whatever

zug zug

[untold yarrow]

like who in their right mid designs a spec with "planned downtime" being full afk in mind

[sullen narwhal]

Sub in s1/2 of shadowlands used to be very easy to get right in keys, now it's not the same

[untold yarrow]

i dislike flag

but it is what it is

[stiff vector]

I mean its not really that much more complicated than SL sub right now

you just have coup to worry about which means youre actually shadowstriking in CDs even in aoe

but its pretty similar tbh

[sullen narwhal]

That's exactly what makes it complicated

[copper radish]

Praying for a rogue weapon in midnight like sylvannas dagger or maybe legendary wep or set. Long over due 🙏

[stiff vector]

I dont get how that makes it complicated at all lol

[sullen narwhal]

The fact that you have to use those abilities to get certain benefits is what makes it much more complicated to play in aoe

[stiff vector]

complicated isnt the word for it, because it is not at all remotely complicated to simply know "ok I press SS in aoe during CDs, except for when coup is proc'd"

ok not in CDs? Press SS

shuriken storm that is

[opal raven]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[bright crane]

Hmm do I open vault as sub or ol

[serene brook]

it is matter only for weapon slots

do u want daggers or 1h

[bright crane]

I suppose I can open as sub and craft a crit/vers dagger

Still need to replace my crafted s2 bracers tho..

Am I gonna really play sub tho??

Idk…

[glass mortar]

hmm

[spare dome]

helmet for mog

[glass mortar]

brother thats a piece of delve gear

i already have the mog

😠

i have every delve mog

[quaint mauve]

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[spare dome]

sorry to hear that

[glass mortar]

this trinket is actually dec isnt it

guess its a taker

[torpid heath]

i have pacemaker 723 , Should i take tier shoulder myth track better upgrade sim or Antenna myth track harder to have

[fathom bramble]

there are fewer daggers than 1h weapons from keys this season so if you don't really want either then you can open as sub for a higher chance at trinkets

assuming loot is random and they don't do something to prevent the larger number of 1handers from influencing your chance of actually getting a wep

[red zinc]

always trinket if its bis

tier is turbo common

[torpid heath]

i mean its like a 0,3% upgrade

[jaunty crater]

quick question. outlaw rogue with crafted sword/dagger, does it matter which weapon has the embellishment on it?

[fathom bramble]

no

[jaunty crater]

thanks, thought so

[bright crane]

Yo that’s actually a good idea. Chances of getting a good stat dagger is 2/3 vs the like 8 1h’s or w/e

[fair charm]

I keep doing my weekly Nightfall, just hoping...

[daring oxide]

Is this week the week

[clear venture]

Sub player, but interested in outlaw. So probs the first trinket on dungeon slots.

Id take a gem socket, but I have 3 stored away for when I get helmet/bracers/belt already.

Opinions

[frail veldt]

CMON BRO

THE ONE BOSS

[serene brook]

warpclaw is not dat good

[frail veldt]

how can I not get into fucking HEROIC

[ocean lodge]

powerful.

[vivid vessel]

2

[red zinc]

2

[ocean lodge]

2

[serene brook]

2

[simple gull]

2

[red zinc]

2️⃣

ew dutch person

[ocean lodge]

where

kill it

[simple gull]

🙁

[red zinc]

(Ingame)

[ocean lodge]

in minecraft

specifically

[red zinc]

((I was sadly spawned in as a dutch person so I can say this))

[frail veldt]

wow

this is who got the boots in my gorup

2.7m dps dh

this game blows rofl

[tender wedge]

seems like he could use the help tbh

[ocean lodge]

Literally how do you fail at dh this hard

[frail veldt]

I swear the lower you are on meters the higher you roll

[ocean lodge]

So it's not just me with that thought

the shitters get loot rule is real and I can't prove it

[clear venture]

Help him with his dps if you play with him on the reg?

[mint crater]

Zac, HO is that bad for m+?

[frail veldt]

about 4% behind in dslice

but potentially more if your group pulls very big

[mint crater]

Got it

[frail veldt]

this was lfg

[clear venture]

Ah

[worldly shale]

Get the wa for one button

But

He would get more damage from

Onebutton

Surely

[proper veldt]

I still don’t have it too the only two that dropped healers high rolled on

[worldly shale]

This happened to me

On myth pug

[worldly sinew]

Can confirm

[ocean lodge]

well I don't know how it happened

but my rogue outgears my mage now

fun.

[worldly sinew]

I floor tanked this pull on accident. Norm Pug

[frail veldt]

classic

oh yeah I gotta do normal

[ocean lodge]

I'm just saying, the one pull I died on because of my cat knocking the modem, I got a warbound araz

[covert kestrel]

@frail veldt the tech is to clear first four bosses, then leave and make your own group, and only invite non leather classes

[frail veldt]

yeah I think ill do that next week

problem is

im super fucking lazy

[covert kestrel]

That is a problem

[frail veldt]

aint got time for that shit

[red zinc]

just like

invite moadmoad and steal his boots

[stiff vector]

invite me trust, I swear everyone that rolls against my rogue gets a +30 roll buff and I get a -30 roll debuff

[chilly atlas]

warpclaw/idol is a good trinket setup for outlaw?

[stiff vector]

I think im gonna run a normal so I can get those frac boots/dimmy bracers, kinda fire transmog tbh

[chilly atlas]

a bracer looks nice?

[royal hollow]

[chilly atlas]

they look more like gloves :p

[fiery parcel]

!plater

[hollow wharf]

Is there any good outlaw player that has vods of his keys out there or smth

[eager rose]

never see

[hollow wharf]

Am a bit strugglint to get some dmg in my keys

And not very sure what im doing wrong

[chilly atlas]

im sure zac has some vods

[hollow wharf]

Does he have a youtube channel or smth ?

[chilly atlas]

he does i think

[hollow wharf]

Nice

Thanks i looked it up

[chilly atlas]

the one with the french winnie the pooh

[fiery parcel]

tf are the commands that shows the plater and wa profiles and stuff

!commands

b r u h

[gaunt phoenix]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[ocean lodge]

this is his character https://worldofwarcraft.blizzard.com/en-us/character/eu/draenor/tomelvis this is his youtube channel https://www.youtube.com/@zac__________________________3 this is his phone number and address ||------------------------|| this is his social security number|| -------------------------|| this is his twitch https://www.twitch.tv/zac__________________/videos

[fiery parcel]

TY

[gaunt phoenix]

[vivid vessel]

Yo bro

That's crazy

You want my address aswell or what

[ocean lodge]

only if it'd make the bit funnier

[vivid vessel]

You didnt link the new thing

The fucking

Wow portfolio

That thing a banger

[dull ivy]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[covert kestrel]

the rainbow numbers gives dopamine

[stiff vector]

godlike

[vivid vessel]

https://wowfol.io/zac

He even made it into a real thing now

It's real links

[stiff vector]

kinda fire (FR) tbh

whats this zac....uncommon????

[vivid vessel]

Eh

All fine bro

[stiff vector]

ye im just trollin

[gaunt phoenix]

why censored

oh its the dark reader extension

[covert kestrel]

solo does dirty things to those bosses

[frail veldt]

LOOOOOOOL

theres no way

anyone buys that

[frail veldt]

what website is this I keep seeing it everywhere

[gaunt phoenix]

its 7 messages above

[frail veldt]

ty I am dumb

[fallen mural]

worst vault I already have mythic track tier chest. All verse mastery bullssssshhhaaat

[gaunt phoenix]

for sub

[fallen mural]

I don't even know how to play any of the other rogue specs anymore 🙁

and no daggers 😛

[quaint mauve]

i just got my 99 parse

denied

on plexus

bc we werent logging

:(

[stiff vector]

just upload it urself after raid silly

[quaint mauve]

wait how

[stiff vector]

there is still hope

[lime lake]

you

would have to have been logging yourself

[stiff vector]

it depends if you were personally logging combat for the raid, but im sure at least 1 person in your raid had to have been

[lime lake]

to upload

[stiff vector]

and then they just upload it the old fashioned way before live logging was a thing

[quaint mauve]

i did 700k more dmg than my last kill

xd

[torpid fiber]

real talk if ur not logging and ur pc can log, you should log and just not upload the logs if your guild wants private logs/etc. imo

[frail veldt]

I always log

but I manually upload

[proper veldt]

are you eu btw?

did I ask already idk

[frail veldt]

narp

NA

[robust berry]

So is HO viable atm?

[gaunt phoenix]

ya

viable

[robust berry]

Cus KIR feels awful to play

oh good to hear

[stiff vector]

please, refrain from blaspheming KIR, it might be gone in midnight.

[torpid fiber]

it's slightly worse but if ur playing outlaw you care about vibes not meta

[gaunt phoenix]

im calling it right now

kir will make your next roll a 5

in midnight

[stiff vector]

[robust berry]

It's awful to have to peel your eyes on buffs all the time

[ocean lodge]

the hwat

[torpid fiber]

we're going to have vanish rules about that if they leave crackshot in

[stiff vector]

one can only hope that blizzard actually makes some W changes

[frail veldt]

You dotn really have to

[ocean lodge]

If they take crackshot from us, we have an american revolt or something

[torpid fiber]

tbh the trick is just learnt to count fast/set up your weakaura to make KIR glow at 4+ buffs

[robust berry]

hm?

[frail veldt]

I have a WA that might help \

[ocean lodge]

We don't shut down our discord, we throw the paladin discord into the harbor, or something

[robust berry]

MY WA icons are so scuffed i cant see when buff is expiring

[frail veldt]

thats not KiRs fault lol

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[frail veldt]

get zacs wa pack

[stiff vector]

I mean they arent taking crackshot away unless they replace it with something else thats really strong and fun/rework how the spec works entirely. But either way I think itd be silly to take it away, the "problem" is that there is no competition to the crackshot playystyle because the tree is dogshit

[frail veldt]

you can make it pretty obvious

I have my KiR icon

tell me how short my lowest buff is

[robust berry]

I know its not builds fault but it feels like waiting, while HO you just pop with ambushes its more satisfying

[frail veldt]

like this

[robust berry]

i see, this is better

[frail veldt]

ignore my shitty shroud WA lol

[robust berry]

but holy jesus so uch clutter

[frail veldt]

I mean its not cluttered when you arent zoomed in imo
but you can get WAs like zacs that are a lot more cleaned out

I just prefer to see everything at all times

instead of having stuff appear/disappear

But yeah check out zacs pack in the !wa command itll help a lot for tracking

[robust berry]

yeah personal preference ofc

[robust berry]

I did play outlaw on s1 skipped s2 and end of s1 and now im really undergeared but still I have difficulties adjusting to KIR

[torpid fiber]

I realised the other day that I should probably note on the wago page for my 6 install weakaura pack edit that it's designed for 1440p and probably doesn't look reasonable on 1080p lmao

I also tried to make the advanced RTB stuff integrate into it but it was more complicated than drag and drop so I'm going to come back to that another day

[frail veldt]

zacs is a lot more shrunken

I find it hard to visually process the WAs when you can see through them like in zacs pack

so I like to make everything touching

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, I feel similar

[robust berry]

IS there way to make stuff that arent relevant diapear?

[torpid fiber]

I also like squares for abilities but I'm sure I could get used to smaller icons if I wanted

[robust berry]

i dont like all the visuals until i need them or they come up

[torpid fiber]

You could probably make it do that but you might need to fiddle around with group grow functions or such

[gaunt phoenix]

you can do anything with weakauras

[frail veldt]

yeah you can def do stuff where your defensives are hidden while theyre off cd

or vice versa

thatll clean stuff up a lot

[torpid fiber]

I haven't messed around with grow functions beyond reverting changes luxthos made to his this expac back to how they used to be

[copper radish]

cant wait for midnight. nothing to track. no weak aura. just all screen

[frail veldt]

if theres nothing to track then that means your rotation is easy 🙁

sounds boring

[torpid fiber]

I should maybe invest in setting up sounds for my weakauras but I'm all in on coloured glow at this point

[copper radish]

every class bout to be easy lol

[frail veldt]

I use sounds for mechanics

so like visuals are offensive stuff and defensive stuff is sounds

except for crackshot ofc

OH

[torpid fiber]

That makes sense

[frail veldt]

and I added a sound effect

for when stealth fades

so I know when I get knocked out

cuz I KEPT NOT NOTICING

[torpid fiber]

oh nice

[frail veldt]

so annoying

[copper radish]

gotta setup some cool gun sound for when crackshot starts

[torpid fiber]

I have the luxthos subterfuge duration bar so as soon as that starts doing shit I know I've been knocked out except when I get knocked out and don't get subt

[elder phoenix]

hey guys https://i.imgur.com/rdfoRdb.jpeg

am i doing it right

[quaint mauve]

bro

soulbinder

adds die instantly

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe

[ocean lodge]

I miss blunderbus

[robust berry]

Okay managed to put the timer on my old WA without breaking the whole thing

[ocean lodge]

bring back greenskin+blunder

[robust berry]

One more question - on KIR do we utilise the Vanish windows? Since BtE doesnt refund the combo points

[daring yoke]

ur LD 5 buff is nice

[wintry solar]

Still no midnight alpha

[ocean lodge]

probs around the 20s/early oct

[wintry solar]

Man

I just want to see the tree

Not even read what the Talents do

[covert kestrel]

What

[fathom bramble]

I wouldn't be surprised if it is just after legion remix

or something

I feel like they are trying to have something out for us to do at all times, and the sold alpha access is part of that

[wintry solar]

I signed up for beta with 0 intention of actually testing. Idk why I did that.

[fathom bramble]

I'm so ready to test and use the in game report feature

[wintry solar]

Or playing it at all I should mention

[fathom bramble]

only for the exact spelldata oversight to persist for 2 full expansions

[wintry solar]

So true

[ocean lodge]

i think it'll be before