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guys quick question
Did Zac quit what I miss in a few hours lol
and i know it might sound dumb
Made more sense to use it out of vanish because you'd get it back faster
but your damage gets cut in ara-kara too?
eh
u know u generate cdr for vanish... during crackshot also right
infact more cdr most likely then at any other point
and can be further amplified
Why would I not know this
maybe ho builds could use it like ur describing but kir would certainly wanna just use it with vanish
well i dont get why u think using it between crackshots gets u back to vanish faster when u could use it during and also get back to ur next crackshot faster
its not like using it during made it give less cdr then using it between
You get ace procs in subt
yes, and more ace procs if every finisher u send is 7 cp
for kir i think u would always use it with vanish
maaaaybe for HO u could use it between
since u have efficient builders always in crackshot
DB would probably have enabled no ace crackshot builds also

Stop typing here and answer my question
Ye it has some antisynergy with crackshot but crackshot is also just the point where gaining cps efficiently is worth the most to us.
And then that defeats the point of using it in vanish
I knew when you didn't instantly reply that I would find you yapping in here
That's how @glass mortar does his rotation
Also me when I main ret
I just get my 1yo nephew to slap my keyboard while I make a sandwich
Ret main confirmed
Nephew hard carries
listen blizzard has made it so when u have certain specs in ur raid group on farm, if they are getting 90th percentile parses you are unable to differentiate them from actual players and nephews using the 1 button macro
and I think thats beautiful for the dadgamers everywhere
Hi it's me dadgamer
Scale commander is very hard to play
I hit disintegrate
And then four seconds later
I hit disintegrate
sad the npcs r so undertuned could u imagine if ur tier sets pets were just busted
I love representation of casual dads and frankly, if anyone should have a spec that can be played with the monitor off, it's the true gamers like said nephew.
They are now
Scalecommander is the play on like 6/8 bosses now
Last week's tuning shot SC over the moon
god i cant wait for the WCL votes to be finishes so outlaw can drop like a rock through the rankings
๐
removing adds from a couple fights
stuff like that
deciding whats pad and what isnt basically
pad is the only thing keeping outlaw from appearing accuratly on the stack
where it belongs 
Which adds, is my evoker going to plummet
good question, im not logged into wcl on my work pc so i cant see it rn, I think it was the early bosses stuff tho
let me see if i can login
Well that's fine, historical parses don't change so I'm safe
Cringe
Not cringe
his guide was too good so he got muted
One day
๐
Never
trying to keep early season min maxers down
Well its only good for casuals
My happiness increased 10 fold when I stopped min maxing
Imagine needing a guide
Zac pinged me like 12 times for information from it
Real
Maybe I should do a 4-Hour YouTube video about my guide
No such thing as a good outlaw, just good rng
I think that would fit very well here
If you don't have subway surfer gameplay with it don't even bother
@glass mortar cant wait for them to remove the pad bosses, once again its impossible to pad
i hate pad bosses !
Nope
Sure sure ๐๐พ
Also there was 4 outlaws
Owned noob
Congrats on NK though
me when outlaw r1 barely makes top 100 ranks of rogues on that fight
probably doesnt even make top 1000 parses world

nice try zac
dimi log when
outlaw looks so good with no parses on these fights and all the pad bosses 
Idk honesty
is sub 5m really a r1 on first boss
No one cares about sub kills on dimmy
Outlaw juice
Thatโs a troll signup if I ever seen one ๐
So like
They didn't nerf the hardest DPS check
Of the fight
I'd run it out of curiosity
Which is platform big dude health
And idk if outlaw will do even half the damage I do as sub
But next week I try as outlaw and we see
Vault pics soon?
well known gear scaler outlaw rogue
where's the communication
Chat are we scaling?
anyway watching why it's rude to be bad at warcraft
Bro..
I'm a lil bitch if I don't get one of the 3 items I need
A LIL BITCH NO CAP
Did you win yesterday?
Ok let me do the math
Who needs retail when Remixโข is soon and midnight right after.
I got dimmy weapon
Which
I already had both 723 weapons
But at least the weapon is cooll stats
But no illv increase unfort
imma be real dude
like
im only gonna do remix for the mog
And I will buy the boe soon
if outlaw is still miserable in remix
I got a boe ring but its 710

That's why you do remix yeah
500% haste inc
Surely that make outlaw better
!wa
Class packs:
Leveling will be a pain tho
Literally watching the energy bar refill just for SS to eat it
On ptr, the questline mobs are super strong
i wonder if theyll do the same this time
They are
zzzzz
Already been announced
I mean it makes sense
All stats have their cap removed and most masteries are just ability dmg increases
Thought 710 boe was enough for now lol
I have 23% chance of getting one of my 3 items @cinder haven
outlaw wishlist:
FUCKING ANYTHING PLEASE HELP US JOHN BLIZZARD
Actually that sounds quite high doesn't it
Not too bad
You gotta be real careful when asking blizz for things.
There is 35 items in the pool, I need 3 only, there is 3 unique slots
oh god you're right
Hmge
They will absolutely oblige
buffing PC again would go so hard
it would be good to know truly nobody is paying any attention to outlaw

Maybe he can be bribed?
ill preorder the expansion if they fix outlaw

I already did
I'm not gonna not play wow
@vivid vessel 718 is crazy work
That's crazy
Can't you have the same item twice ?
no
Is my vault gonnna be good
not on the same difficulty
pool can offer u set as well
.5
Sacrifice a gnome to the loot god
And I have a bunch of items to upgrade still 
And the items I want are almost unconstested
(still lost them all in raid yesterday kekw)
3 people on the neck I lost the roll
3 people on the boots I lost the roll
Can I bribe you?
will u get the hammer from dimensius
Probably not
Got one already
If outlaw doesnโt work out for u is it the xpack of DK for you
I really don't think I can dislike outlaw anymore than I do now
I'm willing to test fate actually
ok hows this for a deal
sweeping strikes for outlaw
that gets cdr
I'm using double sword instead of the dagger tho cause mog is cooler
Based Zac arc
I really wouldn't care about that
You can make up the % by simply playing better
Im still looking for mog for hammer with dagger
any recommends
What does Arms have?
cleave
They can kick during chanelled spell XD
that's fucked up yeah
Is it worth macroing pickpocket
ye
Do I have to add a stop cast line
#showtooltip Pick Pocket
/targetenemy [harm][nodead]
/targetenemy [noharm][dead]
/cast Pick Pocket
It's like we tripped ourselves during ks
farm the dice toys
Ok ty
old rogue
you do gotta just spam it tho it can miss a mob sometimes
Just decided to try and get into outlaw again, played in legion but have been playing classic
Outlaw made me good at Yahtzee
Well I usually spam ambush a few times during sub window so it should theoretically be fine ?
bosses dont even have pockets to pick anymore
blizzard is so lame
mfw cant pickpocket dimi ๐
I miss class related trinkets
pickpocket dimi to get the hammer
imagine a trinket providing SOH or old acrobaric strike
Wait so is it a bad idea to macro in pp into like ambush ?
We should be able to stun raid bosses
that would be nuts
i got a whole bowl of ice cream that way if my vault is mid i still have ice cream
๐
what flavor
i think we all need head
should be wlk?
idk, someone told me so
I just started to play wow since 11.0 haha
wotlk ye
Outlaw should have that back
I do remember we had Honor among thieves
which was a + crit aura , and CP generation when other group member crit
limited to one CP per sec
that should be subtlety right
but i do not remember about a damage amp like Mystic touch
What's the name of the spell ?
We had exploding armor as well, when armor was a thing
we should also be able to pickpocket the loot directly
if u check the log of wlk its just called Mystic touch lol
Savage Combat
this one
in the talent tree
Time to bring that back to us
game too easy

Wait awang
Real
Can you get antenna from vault from killing plexus and soulbinder
You should be a dev
What about idol tho !
MEH
only if I could work from home
also my paperwork is clearing up in december, it's a good day :)b
I was lucky last week
RtB weak aura user spotted 
Also socket ur head wtf
I use it too dw
I like seeing the buffs I rolled pop up in the middle of my screen
I wish I knew how to modify it though
I don't like it telling me to reroll when I shouldnt.
chat, what do you think?
Enchant off hand and put a gem in that head cuh
Vendor all your gear
Also you are using your highest ilvl in off hand noob
Actual skill issue this one
Come on do it.
wtf
Why do you have so much haste
do I take the weapon or wrist for catalyst? I already have crafted mh and mythic haste mastery oh tho
haste fiber
!fuu
Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version
I have this rn
That what I said brin
Your MOG bro
game is good
aight
Wtf this mog goes crazy
feel kinda waste for getting the myth wep last week lmao
From afar on mobile it look just like the real thing
Must go crazy in-game
Zoomed out
And shit
Solo..
Show vault ..
Now..
What if Solo doesn't actually have vault because he didn't play his rogue AT ALL last week

Wffff
i did !
i have like 2100 rolls in my roll thingy
can I have the roll WA
Ok but show vault?

Why you hidin cuh
i cant:(
it's far away


who wants to see my vault
A fish playing outlaw???
I want idol in my vault i think
I need the ring
anyone
I don't want idol in my vault
do it
going ring since im rockin this bad boy rn
i canโt
Ideally the neck cause that's more crests saved
And we like saving crests
That means I can be 720 illv next week
And that would go crazy wouldn't it
Show
sorry
Isnโt voidscarred champ better than collapsing stars myth?
What's collapsing stars
Idk maybe not but not a huge upgrade unless you really need haste
you can ban my account but you canโt ban the impact iโve had on you
the 4000 haste 4800 vers ring
you need the haste from somewhere idk
for bosses like 4-8 in raid, I was doing sin mostly, but thinking about swapping to law/sub for these later bosses ... any thoughts on which is better, easier, etc? Feel like Outlaw is a bit more forgiving with stuff, sub seems so very timing specific for when to hold and line up everything
Guys you ain't ready
I'm working on it
That shit will sim higher than fuu profile 100%
I'm too good at this
No capo
yknow what im ready for
for mythic prog? outlaw is good at soul hunters
Why does this sound like Ryu stacking haste and being like I found the best build ๐
early character transfer from legion remix bugging the fuck out and somehow freeing +24% vers rings into retail

fractillius is fine i guess
Yes except I'm stacking vers so it's good
yeah i thought outlaw for hunters, i am on the bench for the moment for forgeweaver
Swapping to outlaw on last 2 is a warcrime against your raid. Play assa or learn sub
Iโm near 38% verse am I on the right track
Yes but I will have more than you so I win
The idea is that every slot is haste vers
With little haste
Then you have the perfect gear
lol. My PvP set has probably 32% haste so I win in that
PvP 723 ilvl Iโm at like 15 crit 32 haste and 38 verse ๐
Feels incredible with KIR
imagine if entropy rings weren't unique-equipped
i am good with sin, but man i just hate sub ... i used to love it so much but for whatever reason last two seasons just can't get into it at all
Bro..
Can u spare me 1.5mil gold so I can get a mythic one
no but zac can he's rich
Time to check for how much the full vers one is going out rn
no way they are only 1,5m though
I'm not rich
myth is 4.5m rn
I just have infinite money glitch
4.5 ..
Holy moly ๐
How much $$ in wow tokens is that
zac trades trump coin for gold 
A lot
17 wow tokens at $20 a popโฆ. So thatโs $340 for a ring
ret totally needed the buff
Which one of you degens already spent a few hundred on a mythic ring
there are cs cosmetics costing 1/10 that
Those dont become useless after 5 months though
well, in theory they are always useless. Unless looking cool is a use
I may or may not have spent 100k gold on the black tuxedo pants
But I can use those for life
WHAT
Black tuxedo pants BOE if u been waiting for the event u can just buy them on the AH lol
I think I have multiple ones
What even are crackshot cosmetics?

new rogue glyphs
Ninjarobot out here making stuff up
Outlaws due for some cosmetic barber shop stuff
Can we have like a parrot that follows us that we can change?
either that or the guillotine 
A little parrot that follows but contributes nothing would be great tbh
Give me some walk the plank fatality animation for killing blows
Actually we have battle pets nvm
Yeah but we need some outlaw only ones
Would be cool if pistol shot glyphs affected killing spree, you could have blue gunfire animation
As long as you pay your sub in gold
I used to /beckon Cap'n Crackers before every key. And run the key with a parrot on my shoulder.
Wish I was here for those WOD days where people stashed millions of gold away
My buddy did that yeah
was that before or after a long night at goldshire inn popo?
He still hasn't run out of gold
He also did challenge mode carries
Just the most gold
this game just doesnt want me to play outlaw bros
Bold of you to assume I'd step foot there
2 weeks in a row where im forced to take socket
Are there more mainhand or offhand in the loot table? I still need a myth offhand idc if it's dagger or sword
Like what are better odds assa or outlaw
I dunno you seem like exactly the person to be there 24/7
I don't
The conversion from gold to money and opposite is terrible imo
bro has a wow scholarship
explains the state of this class 
you only kept it to trick people
you wont pay 300k gold for a 20$ sub but youll pay 1 mill for a ring?
I actually kept it because I wanted to be evil because I knew Dimmy was going to be like this.
20$ sub?
yeah I think when you buy it with gold its the 1 month price
@vivid vessel how you doing?
no way it's 20 right? it's like 13 euros
@vivid vessel any chance lily is worth like HoC was last season?
lol
I mean theres a world lol
it's not bad but generally trinkets are a bit better than last tier
I got socket guys
wtf
One less socket to worry about

i will pay 3 mil for a ring
wtf
????
im good cuh
no
ilvl 692 hunter vs momma
youre trolling lol
do you make more $ per hour doing carries or at your job
no idea
or gold per hour
you make 3 mil that quickly?
HoC was overbudgeted and lily isnt so probably not
1mil a key is basically what it i seel keys at
and that would already be way above my salary
like way way above
okay so 50 euro an hour
but mrt is diff tho
ask for a raise zac 
but yeah lowkey rmt does make some decent $$$
you have a job paying 50euro an hour ?
thats kinda crazy no
not really in california
but also shits very expensive here so its diff
but our interns make 40
with mrt it seems a bit lower but ye
Ye salary in us is like
jesus christ
you prolly can sell gold at like 20e 1 mil
where can i get a 40 dollar an hour internship ๐
like sophomores/juniors college engineers
which i guess is a decent salary for me
but also a sandwich here is 18$ with tax
i get 10e an hour or smth rn with my intership
thats more then i make in NY
like guy in the us making 100k+ feels probably the same as someone in eu making 60
ok buddy
i mean 60 an hour is upwards of 6 figs a year

its exactly 6
ye
maybe i just leave my job and do rmt how about that
Almost like its an internship
i understand the chinese now
yall wild rn zac you should work in california for like 5 years then retire back in france haha
Those dont pay over here
cant wait to get out of uni and work a 30 hour internship and get compensated 300 a month

taxes in france 
are they high or low in france?
Same as all of western europe i feel
idk i dpont pay taxes
no cause
ur company do
im an intern
if you dont earn shit you dont really pay
and you dont pay taxes on these
wat???
think theres a certain amount of taxfree income
dont you pay VAT?
under 1.5k euro i guess
well thats different
Its just in the pricetag already
ye
how much longer do you have to intern?
after you check out
Thats crazy
in france you pay taxes on your salary directly, and then at the end of the year you also pay taxes idk how that works cause i dont pay any
but ye
yeah you go up and they add 10%
Price tags in the stores themselves are already outrageous
im done in 2 months
on topic
ks
vault 
WER VAULTS
On topic 
and i will be poor
sorry i will return to complaining about ks

uh
me when I decide to lose prio damage
zac gets paid pretty okay for an intern i cant lie
at 30eu an hour im still a long way from that
idk i cant complain
cause
I have a low salary
well youre just working two jobs
but then i have helps
noice
i dont need money really
Major bag alert
I mean from just playing wow its kinda cool im ngl
lolol
imma stream so that people can watch me get declined from keys over and over
Id pay for your coaching
but i could prolly make people pay 100e an hour
just to hear your french accent
Coaching requires interacting with people tho
ye i know
^
Just add the #outlaw corner top right
For entertainment
coaching is idk
like with a log review i can decide if i can even help them before i start typing
some people legit only want a guy reading the faq for them
yeah I'd feel bad taking money from them
coaching on law is just kinda eh
You could make video guides
And grab some youtube money
OutlawFans
I wouldnโt feel comfortable doing this tho
Feels like scamming
i would be comfortable if it was a season where outlaw was meta and i scammed fotm rerollers
Can release new video for every cook in here
some people want the best players to tell them what to do
i wouldnt care
i just cba doing it cause i dont need money and dont wanna waste my free time
but ye
like

someone offered me midnight epic edition after coaching them for free
I would just feel wrong taking it
Idk
The streaming shit was a joke but I am kind of working on some guide stuff
Especially if midnight has changes
Can be worth maybe
(Took a bunch of video editing courses last year and feel like theres a void to be filled)
zac being paid for wow coaching from people who desperatly just need a good youtube video guide that reads through the FaQ for them while refusing to make a outlaw video guide
it's time for alpha

when does that start
now !
maybe this week
ok bnut solo
Maybe in 2 weeks
or 3?
show vault buddy
4 could also be possible
people arent allowed to stream it though right?
They are
Unless they change the format of it again
tww โalphaโ was invite only alpha that could be publicized
in like 5 hours
There had already been friends/family closed alpha before that
if its the same now then we get info (albeit rogue could just not be in the first build)
First alpha last time was like khazalgar zone 1 + 3 delves and hero talents
Someone in here 2 weeks ago said friends/family alpha was already underway, no fuckin clue who it was but its also just a useless thing to lie about so idk
wouldnt expect anything regardless
You had me excited
No wae
Lied about having vault AND now alpha
Smh
Green name btw
@gaunt phoenix what kind of tools are used for the wowhead / faq ability sequences
you eu or what noob
Just a photoshop angle?
bro solo isnt the guy that write wowhead
you noob
what if kir doubled the effects of rtb buffs instead of duration
/ faq
That'd be cool
ability sequence?
Just like openers and stuff like that

More visual way to display it, wondering if theres an easier tool than just making it manually
its directly written in discord rn
Better to ask guy about wowhead stuff
its just words
and emotes

oh thought we had one of those too
10/10
aint looked in a while
imagine DOUBLE RP
adr >
rtb >
bte
bro
ugly ass rtb
wdym
why would I I have barely played outlaw this season
what rtb do you use?
this server doesnt have the border
tf you mean cuh
zac if I want to be a good guide maker I have to reroll and play a different class apparently
Ive heard thats the secret strat
hello, when you exit vanish in the remaining seconds you prefer to spam ambush or sinister strike?
the one on the left is so much more detailed
real
what
huh
idk if you are baiting or not
mewo blind for real
HO builds use ambush, kir builds use whatever the best builder they have available is, never ambush
right version is literally just higher res version with maybe slightly different settings on contrast or smth
With AI !
double BT 
@cinder relic what kind of tools are used for the wowhead opener timelines (or is it internal stuff that yall are given)
thinking of it I could just set the ability timeline WA big as hell and screenshot that
maybe too ghetto
what if KIR was a charged ability with a sweet spot giving you more duration if you place it perfectly?
I want to pick up my rtb buffs
It sort of worked
What if KIR was an empower spell
you press KIR and you get a menu to order your buffs
coming right up with a double portion of no FF procs for 7s
What if blizzard cared about us
Gave more than 5 seconds to make our tier instead of delivering a S2 bug
We are the American stock market version of cost cuts
it's a featureโข
If blizz cared the rest of the players would hate us even more than they already do
what if kir just made your next roll a 5 buff
With that CD?
the same
So a guaranteed 5 every 7 min
I dunno.
It's more like a minute or so
Yea
i mean the average cd is like 61s
I guess that's fine but your other cook was better
I wouldn't be upset if I got it, to put it that way
!bugs
[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)
this way is a safe way to 'do the same thing' but no container shit
Dreadblades coming back w some RTB interaction would be cool
what if CTO could also proc buffs even if you are at 6 and extended the duration?
kir should just freeze your RtB buffs for 30s
for 30s your buff timers cannot tick down and can only be added to

done
the theory is when cto procs a buff you already have internally
If CTO was +10 seconds on all ACTIVE buffsโฆ. That would be fucking incredible
Like itโll give u a buff u donโt have but if u do have it +10 seconds to it
is the Cudgel still worth it if I have 720 dagger OH ?
@gaunt phoenix - was anything decided on crit dmg for finishers being bugged?
technically yes but it is lame
it's generators, but it's not a bug actually
just a discovery
Interesting
wdym its not a bug
it should work its stupid that it doesnt
I don't follow. You cannot proc CTO when you RTB, but I could see how a RTB buff overwriting a CTO buff could cause some weird shit (although that's not always the case when buffs stay behind)
it's a targeted modifier
zac wouldn
the devs have no idea this isnt cleaving
t lie
well sure
No like a possible theory is that when CTO procs a buff you already have (and then internally rerolls to a different one), it could confuse rtb into thinking one of your buffs is a CTO buff when it's not, and therefore it stays behind
just a crack theory assuming something unknowable about how CTO is coded
do warriors' sweeping strikes also not benefit from crit damage mods?
ah I see. Yeah that would depend on how CTO is coded/scripted. I could see that being the case tbh
.....
banger
icant
i bet fire mages ignite properly takes crit damage mods on the causing damage
considering how many crit damage mods that spec has

is this not clearly a bug
not for the trickster talent imo, for lethality it might be a bug unless sweeping strikes also ignores all crit mods
what else causes a targeted crit damage modifier?
i think it's so rare that not even simc handles it correctly for residual damage
well
Did it turn out to not only be the fazed thing?
New hotfixes detected on retail - enUS - build 63163
buffs for us surely
if lethality isnt working in the same way, it implies all these effects dont work for blade flurry
and its almost certainly an oversite
theres no world where lethality shouldnt work
fire mage absolutely gets their crit damage modifiers applied to ignites echo
Idk, fixing this will have almost no impact on our damage anyway
Ask for buffs instead
yea it wouldnt be big altho 50% crit damage on builders isnt nonexistant
i could see it being as big as 2% dps
it affects HO

HO oversimming !
does this mean i missed 24 antenanas
just to be clear BF won't splash either Lethality or Surprising Strikes bonus crit dmg. For SurS it is tied to Fazed though, and generally debuffs on the target are (and should be) ignored
They want it to be that module that we have as a templat
idk what to do max my antenna, upgrade rings to 710, upgrade 704 crafted
gimme more gilded game
Trinkie
you would be amazed
Yeah but thats internal then I imagine (not something I could get my paws on)
I'm unsure on the question
https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/v9PvYXGSrwqFD4kE5EbXqc / https://www.raidbots.com/simbot/report/okkzAvPdNtEqAEa4DWPmMw -- whats the difference with these sims?
wrist
but less dps
antenna miss chance
ohhhh
If I wanted to make my own visual timelines for openers for a guide, I was wondering if there wouldnt be a tool I could obtain to make that easier, like what is used in all wowhead guides
They can't talk about it
hello again yall
My inside sources tell me that outlaw is now no longer a rogue spec, but an entirely new class called "Lockheed AC-130 Gunship" and we are now a long range spec that specializes in 2,000yd encounter ranges
Then r we still wearing leather
yes dont be ridiculous
why not an a-10 warthog and rename KS to "brrrrrtttt"






