outlaw

[vivid vessel]

My thing is the exact same thing tho cuh

But ye

[proven ocean]

zac'

omgomg

are u the outlaw guy

?!?!?

no cappy?

[vivid vessel]

Your idea is probably a better implementation clearer

[proven ocean]

or

[red zinc]

ross are you the assa guy?

[proven ocean]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[vivid vessel]

[slate forge]

I don’t trust blizzard to make the spec better with there current performance of the ks rework im tired of being gaslit this shit sucks I’d rather die then shoot my gun at random mobs

[cinder relic]

Idk why ur so heated lol

[stiff vector]

....and theyre not very good at balancing? So yeah..math checks out lul

[red zinc]

no wait ross is the washed guy

[vivid vessel]

Ok I'm about to kill raid again

[red zinc]

[vivid vessel]

Infinite loot incoming

@proven ocean

[proven ocean]

zac

what

[fathom bramble]

fatebound on every fight

[proven ocean]

?

[vivid vessel]

Am I full geared this week

Or

[proven ocean]

idk zac

[vivid vessel]

[proven ocean]

no boes for 2-3 more weeks imo

unless u want it now idk

[chilly ember]

'Outlaw deals 6% more damage, for PVP only'

[keen belfry]

i just explained the message you couldnt understand, huh?

[granite merlin]

gasp want!!!

[proven ocean]

i guess u could buy but vers only is expensive

[cinder relic]

I'd say this tier overall is fairly balanced for raid honestly. Obviously Outlaw sucks but a lot of specs and classes are good on a lot of different fights for diff reasons

[vivid vessel]

zeross if i get slightly lucky im full

[red zinc]

Praying on your downfall

🙏

[vivid vessel]

stfu

i just need neck feets and trinket

all uncontested

appart from feets i guess

[red zinc]

zac

[cinder relic]

alright

[red zinc]

I stole moadmoads boots from soul hunters

He wasnt happy

[vivid vessel]

nice gg

[keen belfry]

got u Guy ❤️

[keen belfry]

hunter timmy

that thing sucks

[red zinc]

disregard class color

[slate forge]

Stfu Mage awang

[proven ocean]

i got araz zac

and

[red zinc]

I need something to raid lead on since my tanks need babysitting

[keen belfry]

my mage so goated

[red zinc]

So i play bm

[proven ocean]

finally 2 daggers dropped this week

i had 0

since week 1

LOL

[fathom bramble]

why is your sub gear worse than mine

try to keep up

[proven ocean]

i just lack ilvl wdym

i have sockets everywhere

not bad gear

[vivid vessel]

🕉️

[proven ocean]

i mean ur 8/8

[vivid vessel]

noob gear

[proven ocean]

or something

[chilly ember]

Just sent u dm

[proven ocean]

we didnt kill nexus king yet

[fathom bramble]

idk I'm just being annoying

[vivid vessel]

zeross you dont even have half my gear noob

[fathom bramble]

I have both the myth trinket for double on use though

[slate forge]

I’m starting to think everyone rerolled instead of committing to poop strike

[red zinc]

poopin fartin

[indigo token]

NO POOPING

after the poop strike finishes

we go into the fart strike

[red zinc]

WE will ALL be poopin at 8:43 PM EST

[proven ocean]

21% haste

noob

[stiff vector]

yup definitely very balanced..checks notes multiple hunter specs amongst the best specs in raid for the 3rd raid in a row, Arcane mage very good for "x" tier in a row, theres HUGE delta's between the top and bottom(20%+) in boss damage on half the bosses in the raid. Very good balancing for sure

[indigo token]

YOU 🫵 WILL YOU FUCKING SCAB

[vivid vessel]

its to have better gear next week

[proven ocean]

only 3 ilvls ahead of me bozo? i didnt even spend my crests

[vivid vessel]

im playing long term

[granite merlin]

Thanks homie!!!

[proven ocean]

still got 3 more upgrades to go..

[vivid vessel]

np

[proven ocean]

no cappy..

[proven ocean]

np

[indigo token]

honestly

i hope they keep the notable item you have to one per tier going forward

[cinder relic]

I don't think good balance is defined by "how many different specs are good this tier vs last tier" and I don't think anybody progging mythic this tier would say "hunter was one of the best specs in raid"

[slate forge]

They had 1 balance patch with a handful of changes in a month they balance so good they don’t even need to tune goated blizzard tier

[cinder relic]

Hunter, especially for prog was sort of a glass cannon, that was extremely unreliable for meeting damage checks

[alpine stag]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[cinder relic]

It kinda died to everything, and then wasn't consistent because so much of its damage was reliant on resets in CDs

[red zinc]

I seen the stealthi screenshot

check him pc this is not normally

[cinder relic]

Hunters needed to be babysat on prog and then it wasn't even a spec worth babysitting when something like mage was just better overall lol

[stiff vector]

no one progging mythic would say MM is one of the strongest specs this tier lmao? And well, BM only recently got buffed, but it is infact, also extremely good now. Regardless of if MM has high variance, its average roll damage is still very good, and even the low roll is still betta than outlaw lul

[cinder relic]

no one progging mythic would say MM is one of the strongest specs this tier lmao?

Correct

I don't think anybody would

Or if they do, I think they are wrong

The strongest specs this tier are like what, Sub? Ele?

Arcane?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw ?

[red zinc]

I mean you’re right in what it was

But the larger majority share aint done with prog

And its definitely different now

[indigo token]

isnt sub always really good

[cinder relic]

Not always, but a lot of the time, yes

[stiff vector]

So the logic is, because MM has variance, it is therefore bad for progging mythic? Am I getting this omega cooked logic straight?

[cinder relic]

That isn't what I said at all

Lets try again

[indigo token]

he also said it was fragile

[stiff vector]

sure sounds like that is exactly what youre insinuating lul

[cinder relic]

So let me type it out very clearly

[red zinc]

my bladder very fragile too

Dont do this to me

[slate forge]

Are you suggesting they balance damage around survivability?

[indigo token]

im not familiar with hunter but it has an immune right?

[cinder relic]

No

[indigo token]

arent those really good im prog?

[cinder relic]

I am not suggesting they are doing that

[stiff vector]

but DR MM isnt even particularly squishy, if having to "babysit" DR MM is an argument then you can make the same argument for half the specs in the game and for sure for a spec like Ele sham

[cinder relic]

Well you half get my point

[red zinc]

[cinder relic]

If you are going to babysit a squishy spec, why not babysit an ele

It's just better than MM in most contexts

[red zinc]

Even with that being a highroll

Bm is the strongest spec rn on sally

And a lot of logs on p3 dimmy look similar to this

[stiff vector]

but DR MM is significantly less squishy than ele? Like DR MM has WAY more buttons and an immune

[cinder relic]

MM for early prog was very squishy, and needed to be babysat on Nexus King and Dimensius because the damage output on those fights was very high

Another issue for MM on prog was lets look at nexus king for example, you sort of needed enough damage to kill platforms, and relying on an MM hunter to "get enough resets" (which most of the time it did), but sometimes it didn't and it caused a wipe

The last issue for MM is that it takes up a similar space as a spec like Arcane, or Ele, and both of these specs are in a vacuum, just better. Tankier, most consistent, and higher damage overall

[copper radish]

When can this be outlaw doing something like that

[indigo token]

foreverguy, correct me if I'm wrong, but ele shaman's defensives are worse than hunters right?

[red zinc]

i mean not boss damage but outlaw damage looks like that sometimes

[cinder relic]

Overall I think so

[red zinc]

Not on important bosses though

[cinder relic]

Arcane is significantly tankier tho

[red zinc]

[cinder relic]

Ele and MM are both kinda squishy in raid tho

[red zinc]

i dont think the hunter specs got the p1 dimmy use that ele has

not sure if mm stuff bounces there

[copper radish]

I just wanna finally get a ST boss where we do competitive dmg compared to others and not dead last

[cinder relic]

They don't. Ele was very good on dimensius

[proper veldt]

What’s the point ur trying to bring across here though, that doing crazy damage is ok as long as there’s a trade off (in this case squishy)

[copper radish]

Season 2 trickster ST was a nice spot to be at. I want that back at minimum

[red zinc]

naw

[cinder relic]

The point I'm trying to make is just looking at the WCL stats page to say "MM IS OP AGAIN" I don't think is accurate

I also don't think it's accurate to say MM was the best spec on prog, or even close to that

[red zinc]

he isnt even trying to make that much of a point, this was just about guy thinking mm wasnt good and someone else thinking it was

[stiff vector]

DR MM is significantly less squishy than ele sham, especially on fights like Nexus and Dimmy where theres A LOT of high dmg moments, and Ele only has one DR every 1.5m

[cinder relic]

Sure, but ele was a much better spec for prog

[red zinc]

Personally I think balance now is a lot more important than balance for top guild prog though

but thats just my take

[twilit dove]

i'm the developer, fixed the mobile :D feel free to check it out again :)

[cinder relic]

MM was a fairly squishy spec, that just did damage, and it was inconsistent at times, and on a fight like dimensius, was overall just a worse spec

[red zinc]

stuff is a little out of whack right now

[cinder relic]

It wasn't like, unviable or bad, we played an MM (He swapped BM for kill as it was right after reset) and he did good

[slate forge]

I have no idea how hunters being not tanky has anything to do with blizzards balance around raid dmg like how does this justify there balance

[cinder relic]

It was just worse than ele

[cinder relic]

This isn't what I'm saying at all

Idk how more clear I can get

[red zinc]

peoples reading comprehension in here making me side with guy

[cinder relic]

My entire point is that "MM wasn't the best spec on prog for x y and z reasons"

[red zinc]

Can yall read

ts embarassing

[cinder relic]

not that "MM can be OP because its squishy"

MM is very strong, and so is BM, I AM NOT saying that "They can be this strong because they are squishy"

[stiff vector]

but I dont get the logic of "well if youre gonna babysit one spec, why not babysit ele sham" as if youre choosing between playing ele or MM? Or like MM, even at like 75% percentile(probably averagei-sh rng at worst for MM) is still basically very similar in performance to Ele, or better than it on a number of the bosses, except it also has the potential to high roll and be the best spec in the game

[slate forge]

Original comment was about the huge gap between top specs which most are repeats of previous seasons and bottoms specs which again are a lot of repeats

[cinder relic]

Because this isn't how mythic prog works

[winter cave]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[cinder relic]

Well my original point was that the WCL stats page doesn't actually tell you much useful information when it comes to actually progging hard bosses

Nobody should be looking at the "WCL STATS PAGE" to come up with a Nexus king, or dimensius comp

It misses a lot of the context of these fights

[agile orchid]

!prepull

[gaunt phoenix]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[red zinc]

MM couldnt cleave adds like ele on dimensius

[cinder relic]

^

[red zinc]

chain lightning got magic bouncing powers

[winter cave]

is wago dying ?

[agile orchid]

what is the correct opener for soul hunters?

[vivid vessel]

bte

bte

bte

bte

bte

bte

bte

bte

[cinder relic]

When you are progging dimensius, especially pre nerf, nobody is looking at the WCL stats page to figure out what the comp is to play. When you realize "Oh wow, chain lightning hits all the adds in P1, and ele does insane damage in P2, that's extremely valuable"

[vivid vessel]

vanish

[agile orchid]

I mean prepull shit

[vivid vessel]

bte

bte

[cinder relic]

meanwhile MM just can't do that

MM can't hit all the adds in P1 dimensius

[keen belfry]

stealth

[red zinc]

regardless

[slate forge]

I don’t have half the faith needed in blizz to balance specs around prog viability all they need to do is a half ass job at dmg both single target aoe and cleave

[red zinc]

Every guild will probably want a bunch of bms for p3 when turbo boost rolls around

Since adds wont be much of an issue anymore

[cinder relic]

Yeah I mean BM is crazy on the fight now for sure

[gaunt phoenix]

prepull supercharger way before pull

few seconds before pull use BF

on pull open with AR RTB BTE

[vivid vessel]

just bf prepull

then its standard

[cinder relic]

Damage output on the fight is lower, gear also nerfs these damage taken checks throughout the fight a lot, where being on the squishier side matters even less so

And BM and MM do a lot of damage either way lol

The fight is mostly about progging P2 mechanic, and just killing it in P3, which BM/MM aren't really a liability much anymore

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-emote-elpermassacre-gun-shoot-gif-437842987678609848

[random stirrup]

Dimmy so weird because damage just straight up feels like it doesn’t matter outside of living mass in p1

Damage holding pov

[slate forge]

Like how can balance be good when they can’t even turn on damage to bosses in Warcraft logs instead of overall

[cinder relic]

Because this game is more than "damage to bosses"

[stiff vector]

well yeah, theres only a few specs in the game who can effectively do it...doesnt mean MM isnt still good on the fight, or that youre going to choose one over the other when you can easily just play both(And many guilds did).

[cinder relic]

Its why sub was so good this tier lol

Sub wasn't good because it did good boss damage

[random stirrup]

I saw someone say they held prism for the 630 burn as their first cast I might do the same

[cinder relic]

We've moved the goalpost now from "MM is one of the best specs for prog" to "MM is good on the fight"

[red zinc]

huh

[cinder relic]

MM was like, decent this tier

[red zinc]

do you not accrue enough stacks in p2 to use somewhere else

[cinder relic]

I'd still say the hero specs this tier were Ele, Arcane, and Sub

[slate forge]

In what metric was boomy performing worse then outlaw when they got buffed none literally none not saying boomy shouldn’t have gotten buffed but come on

[random stirrup]

Well the other spot would be artoshion

But you don’t stack to 18 by the damage amp

[red zinc]

why not during p1

[random stirrup]

Holding dps anyway

[cinder relic]

The bottom line, my main point was that for mythic early prog, this tier was fairly balanced. There are obviously still stinkers like Outlaw, Balance, Enhance, but I'd say there was a lot of viability when it comes to the "Good specs" like between MM, Ele, Arcane, Demo/Destro, Sub, FDK.

[red zinc]

holding dps?

oh brother

[stiff vector]

??? youre the one moving the goal posts lul and using nonsensical logic to say why Ele is good for prog, and MM isnt

[red zinc]

i havent seen mythic beyond rwf didnt know that was necessary now

[cinder relic]

LOL

[red zinc]

doomge

[random stirrup]

You hold dps p1 twice in p2

[cinder relic]

I mean idk

I guess I am just a noob

[agile orchid]

I hate soul hunters so much

[cinder relic]

My goal post has remained in the same spot the whole time

[dawn talon]

this is actually really interesting to look at indepth

bc it highlights some jank with how wow handles hitboxes and range detection

[red zinc]

im not even going to pretend to understand how it works haha

[dawn talon]

completely unintentionally made a spec that was otherwise just very good completely mandatory

[red zinc]

Like I never understand the correlation between model size and cleave hitboxes

is it really just different for every ability how it interacts

[dawn talon]

it's easier to illustrate with arcane's cleaving barrage bc that spawns an individual projectile

rather than an instantly travelling damage event

but they call the same function

1s

[cinder relic]

Yeah I mean ele was tuned high and its really fortunate for them that chain lightning managed to be so good at cleaving in P1

But even outside of that, On most fights this tier ele was very good

[stiff vector]

The funny part is, before Ele got a massive 20% buff on PTR to make it as good as it is now, it was simming literally fairly close what was Outlaw then as well(like 5.5ish) and one spec got a 20% buff, and the other has gotten absolutely nothing, despite also having a significantly worse dmg profile+being melee

[dawn talon]

so, you can imagine the red circle around dimensius as (roughly) representative of his hitbox.
when the mage presses arcane barrage, the game checks a direct line from them to their target (part of the LoS check), and then a ~45 degree cone in front of them. the game then checks if there is line of sight from the primary target to any secondary targets within this cone, and also within ~8yds of the boss, from edge to edge. if there are, a new barrage projectile is spawned firing at those targets

chain lightning works in the same way, but instead of a projectile, the damage is instant

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

[dawn talon]

this cone only has to touch any part of the hitbox

[vivid vessel]

since the adds are damage amped on naz

shouldnt you just target them ?

ye

i should right

[fathom bramble]

BF copies pre-amp damage

[vivid vessel]

no but

[fathom bramble]

so it won't give boss damage

[vivid vessel]

i will do more damage tho

[fathom bramble]

but it's good for pad I guess

[vivid vessel]

ye idc about boss damage

🕉️

which mobs are damage amped tho

[fathom bramble]

broken cages

[slate forge]

This is why we aren’t getting buffs

[vivid vessel]

okok

i see

brb

[fathom bramble]

I don't understand why this is even an amp

[vivid vessel]

more pad

[fathom bramble]

instead of just hitting the mob for 66% of their max life

[stiff vector]

might as well just target the adds at this point lol, our boss damage even cleaving off boss is already by far the worst in the game on Soulbinder/Araz and that still isnt enough for buffs

[chilly ember]

Got no.1 on adds, no.13 on boss todat

[slate forge]

Target capped pad the goat of dmg profiles

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-backshots-online-card-virtual-backshots-gif-3195502009624477197

change ur pfp

[chilly ember]

Is coin talent works better now for m4, adds were killed sooooo fast

[fathom bramble]

putting a damage amp on a target that couldn't be lower priority is some evil work

[gaunt phoenix]

araz mythic?

[stiff vector]

most of the add sets alrdy die so quick now in mythic, and were getting another 3% raid buff this week+more gear

shit is cooked

our logs will prob still not drop too much on those bosses(just yet) though just because of sale runs+late CE guilds who probably will still have adds live long enough for outlaw to pad on

[dense bolt]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[proper veldt]

wtf happened with raider io

rogue tanks

🔥

[spare dome]

leaked outlaw tank rework gg

[slate forge]

They tuning us to tank dmg to prepare us

[random geyser]

honestly wouldnt be bad for getting to play more imo lol

[indigo token]

id kill myself if my fave spec was turned into a tank

i fucking hate tanking in WoW

[gaunt phoenix]

rogue tank, you have a 99.9% chance to dodge attacks and spells

the 0.1% is your gamble

[random geyser]

nah just split the treee like old feral/guardian what could go wrong

[chilly ember]

Set Eva’s duration and cd the same as ad rush

[copper radish]

Oh man they got the inside scoop from midnight alpha that outlaws gonna be tanking

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble you can grapple trouhg puddles

in araz

doesnt do anything

nmot even one tick

kinda frustrating how outlaw cant even pad that boss tho

with a good guild

i cant even do the pad stuffs gg

[copper radish]

Patiently waiting for the day outlaw doesn’t need to pad 😭

WTB flurry being replicated to your main target

[quaint mauve]

we basically do tank dmg so

[old gull]

I’d quit. They changed doomfist to a tank and I haven’t played ow since

[cinder relic]

bro doom tank is so fucking fun tho

Esp with the perks

With power matrix block

[indigo token]

yeah but tanking in wow sucks

i hate aggro

[buoyant stratus]

nessa is better than awangawangaw this factual i have no ulterior motives

ty for your time

[chilly ember]

Miss dos doomfist as an Anna player

[copper radish]

I’d be open to it if we did more damage and were somewhat competitive with lower DPS classes

[mossy shell]

https://tenor.com/view/rogue-player-speaking-gif-11733699535135408967

[quaint mauve]

i’ve been having fun on my tank alts this season :p

just play with a hunter or rogue always

[copper radish]

As long as we do more damage than blood dk id be cool with it

[chilly ember]

They should make bte shot through target’s head and damage the target right behind it

That would be fun

[quaint mauve]

i had a dream

where cold blood worked differently for us

made our next 7 bte double tap

and it worked with bf

and it gave us like burst

[keen belfry]

wait wo ehn a target is dmg amped, your BF isnt doing more dmg?

[chilly ember]

Nah they would replace it with ‘Your blood freezes, granting immunity to Stun effects and reducing all damage you take by 30% for 8 seconds’

[keen belfry]

dude...............................

[fathom bramble]

Yes

This is why gs is bad in aoe

[chilly ember]

Outlaw tank

[keen belfry]

i guess GS is the perfect example, i knew GS did that i just thought it was GS only thing

[fathom bramble]

It also prevents weird abuse cases like that one sl fight with adds that took 1000% more damage

[keen belfry]

true

[vivid vessel]

@vernal fjord i swear to god

your log is bugged

my thing still doing 200k less than yours with 7 more ilvl

cheater log or what

fucking coins man

[copper radish]

RNG god has spoken

[chilly ember]

Mine is rubbish

1063k for bte

240k lower than yours...

[rotund token]

Ey guys, I suppose we dont macro idol trinket, when is the best time to use it ? Seemsy a bit goofy trink for us since it has cast

[gaunt phoenix]

just after stealth

is over

[fervent perch]

Hi im new to rogue and outlaw in general, and im rlly confused when it comes to Roll the bones, do i use it on cd ? do i not press it if i have 3-5 buffs ? ty for answer

[gaunt phoenix]

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[fervent perch]

ty

<3

[vivid cedar]

but get the weak aura !wa

[gaunt phoenix]

but not listed here, if you are using Sleight of Hand talent, then you roll over 2 buffs

[vivid cedar]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[rotund token]

Ty

[chilly ember]

Is that real to have 1300k dps for bte...

cant believe it

[stiff vector]

ye Idk, maybe ive just been having some really dogshit rng in raid this past week, but its felt like 75% of my pulls my coin damage(and therefore dmg overall lul) has been straight ass...like getting 20-30+ more heads than tails and shit

[gaunt phoenix]

no it's fake !

it's hard for me to believe there is some elaborate issue with coin rng

[stiff vector]

yeah I mean it doesnt rly make sense to me either, since I would haven oticed it the other weeks

but I swear this week the spec has just felt noticeably off to me

[gaunt phoenix]

my last fractillus was good https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/f8K6whDNq1V9JQPx?fight=30&type=damage-done&source=23

[stiff vector]

like my loomithar log from this week is just a complete mind fuck to me, it makes no sense

[tired rune]

sounds like outlaw rogue xD

[gaunt phoenix]

enchant rng

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel

no cappy

nexus king

the ghosts are like kyveza but on easy mode

[vivid vessel]

yep

well the last one is hard cause you dodge and shit during it

but ye

its kyveza but easy

i wish my guild did kiveza

its insane training for it

[stiff vector]

its true, only semi tough one is the triple b4 boss phases

I got thrust into nexus prog, without rly having preppd or at least watched a video for it and all I knew was that there were these ghosts that did something

and I still didnt fuck up a ghost except for like once or twice on last set of them

[dawn talon]

tank doom is rly fun but mostly in 6v6

but then u have to play with people who have an ego bc they're master in 6v6

https://tenor.com/view/gulp-cat-gif-27257259

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

[fierce mulch]

ret btfo

[frail veldt]

I keep telling so many people to do it

[indigo token]

damn

[frail veldt]

I swear after doing it the game just felt easier

[indigo token]

i think ret needs buffs

[serene brook]

another 5% buff for ret!

please nerf outlaw

[fervent perch]

is playing with sleight of hand more beginner friendly ? compared to the extra vers ?

[keen belfry]

they r same, if anything sleight has another rule so no? but sleight more fun cuz more 5 buff

[vivid vessel]

easy enough

not even bottom boss damage

[indigo token]

[stiff vector]

ye thats crazy you werent bottom boss dmg

your guildy gotta be sandbagging boss dam surely

[serene brook]

see? rets need another 5%

[stiff vector]

actually I guess you only very slightly beat them because your gear is gigajuiced

very very close, but the ret has 4 less ilvl so I mean....basically bottom boss dam

[vivid vessel]

my ilvl is padded a bit tbh

i boutght the belt

which is 0 % daamge increase

but +10 ilvl belt

felt good

[stiff vector]

as long as the vibes are good

this spec is legit OMEGA broken..is this not insane damage to do @ only 705ilvl in a 10 gambit??? Blizz is officially microwaved

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

they didnt nerf the hardest damage check of dimmy tho

they forgot i think

p2 big add hp

still the same

[serene brook]

@vivid vessel stream is dead

[long barn]

So no outlaw buffs. I keep coming back hoping to see joy here

[serene brook]

there is no joy only

i guess internet went off

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

Bro I legit just like

Am clicking random mobs

Throwing up BS

throwing in a KC

Legit no idea wtf I’m doing

Doing plenty of damage at 680 rofl

[stiff vector]

this gambit was as DR btw not PL

[bright crane]

Is this wow in 2025?

Have we been playing wow in 2015 by playing ol?

[stiff vector]

legit basically just spam black arrow

[bright crane]

I thought PL was the move for m+

[stiff vector]

and by spam black arrow I mean, during CDs actually spamming my black arrow button before I even have a proc so I can use it ASAP lol it might be even more braindead than PL

[bright crane]

I didn’t realize there was dot management though

Don’t love that

[quaint mauve]

i did basically the same amount of dmg i usually do on big momma as ol

on brewmaster

[bright crane]

Brew pumps

[quaint mauve]

:)

[stiff vector]

I mean...not REALLY, not hard to keep barbed+frenzy up or spread it in aoe if youre playing PL

not like there is really much else to think about anyways

[buoyant cosmos]

Which pets will match your new mog

[indigo token]

bad future: outlaw becomes the dodge tank along with brewmaster

[buoyant cosmos]

Return to BC rogue tanking

You could have over 100% dodge and with enough misdirections you could tank some bosses

[desert tendon]

guys after casual clickbaits

i feel scammed again

[indigo token]

#FUCKZAC

[vivid vessel]

bro ..

i did every other boss as outlaw

..

[crisp basalt]

best rogue spec buff

https://tenor.com/view/scarseven-gif-715672438376920592

[zealous lantern]

https://imgur.com/OTndNJr

[vivid vessel]

OKK

[red zinc]

what are some actually good resources for hunter

feels like the wowhead guide is ass

like shits simple but im sure theres plenty of braindead minmaxing to be found

[random stirrup]

azor paypal

[golden lark]

Time to shutdown..

Outlaw is in such a bad place..

[stiff vector]

fuck if I know, im just out here pressing buttons dont need a guide for this spec

[stiff vector]

aint no way man....you are getting too much juice

[vivid vessel]

i only got this this raid ..

no boots no neck

trinket didnt drop

..

gg

[stiff vector]

I need a big vault and raid this week real bad

my gear is so behind

[fervent perch]

haha my first dungeon ever on rogue, and my first Roll was a 5 roll, that felt magical

[spare dome]

bis weapon btw

[ember goblet]

same buddy same

[indigo token]

i meaaan

majority rules

[red zinc]

multi build or nah

[golden lark]

Where do I vote?

[indigo token]

https://strawpoll.com/wAg3QOrlly8

[gaunt phoenix]

i think it's time to stop

[civic zephyr]

Id be down tbh

[cinder relic]

Don't fuck with us outlaw fans, we have 1 joke

[random stirrup]

dae shutdown channel

[red zinc]

wrong we have two

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[cinder relic]

LOL

that ones good though

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/451631560827994112/1350902980614033428/ride.gif

[random stirrup]

18 clowns think they're the latest genius saying "durr shut down discord"

[red zinc]

if we just subject tarren mill trade chat to 10 minutes of ross and zac arguing over damage profiles

we get anything we want

im telling you

[covert kestrel]

poop strike is the new shut down the discord

[cinder relic]

[red zinc]

just pooped

i start tomorrow i promise

[indigo token]

OUTLAW!!!!!!

is really funny

like

[covert kestrel]

babe you've already started right now

[red zinc]

yo lowkey though

[indigo token]

i think the funniest part about it

is that someone leaves

and THEN they get kicked

[red zinc]

i dont get how people talk about going number two like a few times a week

i gotta do that shit daily or i die

[indigo token]

you just have a weak mind

you know like

chinese cultivation

refining the body through meditation and discipline

this is the same thing

[covert kestrel]

my body will go to lengths to make sure i can poop at home tho. regular occurance where if i travel i dont poop for like 3 days before my body gives up and goes "guess we're not going home, here will do..."

[red zinc]

naw i cant do that what the helly

[gaunt phoenix]

The poop stuff has to end

[covert kestrel]

solo calls for #poopstrike to continue, END ALL POOP OUTLAWS YOU HEARD IT FROM THE BOSS

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-water-gif-19744162

alpha thursday or next week or the week after that maybe

maybe even in 4 weeks

5 weeks?

[indigo token]

exactly

we're shutting off the valves

closing the factories

no poop till buffs

[frank bane]

I think I might legit explode

[indigo token]

stay strong

[frank bane]

Worth it for the buffs

[indigo token]

our impaction shall be our victory

[indigo token]

real shit

pun intended

[cinder relic]

Hes fr though u guys have gotten stop being weird

[indigo token]

its boredom

you know how when you have a really active dog

you have to keep it active

or else it starts trashing the house

[copper radish]

How do I go away for a couple hours and come back to a poop strike wtf is this

What are yall gonna hold it in and go let it all out at blizz hq or something? LMAO

[cinder relic]

U can do other things with your free time than talking about your bowel movements with other men in the internet in a spec channel for a 10+ year old video game

[indigo token]

im playing final fantasy 5 rn

its fun

[indigo token]

no it's like a hunger strike

except instead of hunger its poop

[random stirrup]

10+ year old

[copper radish]

20+**

[red zinc]

me and wow are the same age

[cinder relic]

Typo

meant 20

[copper radish]

Stop reminding me I’ve played this game for 20 years straight 😭

[random stirrup]

youngun

[random stirrup]

unc

[stiff vector]

what the helly I walk away to feed my dogs for 10 min and nasty mfers talking about poop

[indigo token]

how do you spend 10 minutes feeding dogs

[copper radish]

Bros probably one of those raw meat diet people for his pets 😂

[indigo token]

dude

[craggy quiver]

There's only a handful of weirdos but they usually the loudest lol

[copper radish]

Some peoples pets be eating better than I eat 😭

[indigo token]

when the fuck did people suddenly develop mass psychosis for raw milk

[copper radish]

Nah bro some chick selling breast milk ice cream saw that the other day I turned my internet off

[indigo token]

YOOOO thats fire

[stuck sparrow]

Didn't a woman fart into her mic

for views

[indigo token]

i mean

you probably did as a kid too

farts are funny

[stuck sparrow]

i didnt get paid

by lonely old men to do it

[cinder relic]

Enough

[covert kestrel]

dont lump us in with those "shut down the discord" cringe weirdos

[indigo token]

alright :caught:

also why dont we have caught

anyway ill tone it down

i WILL be keeping the username though

I think hashtags followed by really bizarre or confrontational statements are really funny

[covert kestrel]

GripisNOTaRaidBuff

[copper radish]

That lasted all of a minute 😂

[indigo token]

look i talk a lot of shit

but I follow the-

HEY

MY NAME

[red zinc]

https://tenor.com/view/im-having-a-connection-issue-gif-18822004

[indigo token]

do you have the "this is my first rip of the season"

in rlp

and then they get 1 shot bolted

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1233147979632738425/test23456.gif

[indigo token]

yes thank you

[latent oak]

both banger gifs

[indigo token]

its such a good gif

god

[copper radish]

That has me crying funny asf

[indigo token]

i had a ton of stix gifs

[red zinc]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/Fgfo1l3tWSd7WA1uzE/giphy.mp4?cid=73b8f7b167ae9e6c1ae7f6ad118723925160cd1b8065df27&rid=giphy.mp4&ct=g

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-stix-bunkjunker-bomb-bisfire-gif-15424853548686776703

[gaunt phoenix]

https://imgur.com/a/esHkdkh

[frank bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/976543332908036206/1404644158529867948/OUTLAWDISC_CAR.gif

[indigo token]

holy fuck the speech bubble following the bear tank

im dying

[cinder relic]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/444812862553325579/1134714486201274458/abledhole.gif

[red zinc]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037756910247608341/1204933369029464084/Medal_aEIjG2AIWo.gif

[covert kestrel]

https://imgur.com/6yTR1eW

[stuck sparrow]

hold on

does anyone have the twitter clip

[red zinc]

where the fuck did that bear come from

[gaunt phoenix]

[stuck sparrow]

of a guy stepping miniboss in dawnbreaker

and somehow teleporting outside the building

[copper radish]

Someone link the OG Leroy nothin beats that 😂

[indigo token]

what the fuck is suleyman doing up there

[covert kestrel]

got punted

[indigo token]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1255110288081162311/1374365469884289034/KillingSpreeDawnbreaker.gif

[red zinc]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1122685432677793932/1239201118513533048/KreemLagging-ezgif.com-crop.gif

[covert kestrel]

this is my favorite

[latent oak]

awang has a load of clips from ks doing fucked things if i remember correctly

[stuck sparrow]

I need to find this clip someone posted on twitter

of a guy stepping the first miniboss in db in the cathedral

and somehow he teleports outside the building

[latent oak]

hidden technique

[serene brook]

man im rofling as heck

[stuck sparrow]

also we missed a tank clip

[frank bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1393269994623860887/nah.gif

[latent oak]

i have a clip of a vdh doing the exact same thing at the exact same pack lmao

[frank bane]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/746550921412083762/1407865351441748018/KillingSpreeWorkshop.gif

[stuck sparrow]

also the sprocket replay

of dont press ks during polarity

[latent oak]

yaya the wcl one

[wintry solar]

No other spec has moments as funny as Outlaw

[indigo token]

dude

i stg

ive had that happen to me so many times with vdh tanks

ALWAYS

with vdh

[covert kestrel]

scrub vdh jump into middle of packs= get one tapped in the back

[stuck sparrow]

its because if you leap into the group it syncs all their whiteswings

[proven ocean]

whats this chat addon.. looks cool..

[stuck sparrow]

to land at the same time

[indigo token]

wait

is that what it is

[stuck sparrow]

yeah

[indigo token]

omfg

[stuck sparrow]

if you leap into the group they'll all melee same global

[fathom bramble]

if you actually bother to hit a defensive it can be fine

[stuck sparrow]

so if you dont parry

or behind some

gg

[indigo token]

thats so dumb

[fathom bramble]

but those dhs usually just go in dry

and also get hit in the back

[stuck sparrow]

yeah no spikes

or brand

take 2 backshots

deadge

[stuck sparrow]

or sigil of flame parry

you cant parry from behind though

[dawn talon]

just leap in front of the pack man idk how they struggle so much with it

[indigo token]

ok but

leaping INTO the pack

aura

[stuck sparrow]

aura of getting onehit

they dont even spikes prior

at least

[indigo token]

its like batman shit

[stuck sparrow]

alot of vdh players will sit on their manual meta button

for 10 minutes

its wild

last tier you could have just rng procced meta for 4 from tier

and saved your dumbass that way

[wild rivet]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[frank bane]

Aight so what is everyone's tinfoil hat ideas of what we think the Apex talents are going to look like for us?

[copper radish]

how much would nightbornes magic dmg racial increase coin dmg by hmmmm

[fresh frost]

quick question if u hit the target who has ghost strike on did it do more dmg to the other with BF ?

[fathom bramble]

no

[cinder relic]

no damage debuffs do not work with BF

[fathom bramble]

and if you put ghoslty on an off target that will also not boost BF(this is a bug)

[fresh frost]

thats sucks

[serene brook]

ghost strike mostly like poop strike

[frank bane]

Why play Nightborne when you can play Undead JS

[copper radish]

ive got one of those. i have like 10 rogues, nightborne isnt one yet lol

[indigo token]

our apex talent is a new button called "Have Fun", that's a 3 min cd that you macro with vanish that when you enter a crackshot window, changes you randomly to sub or sin and has effects based on that

[vivid vessel]

LS:glass

best chat addon

[stuck sparrow]

people play stuff besides dwarf?

news to me

[vivid vessel]

no fps drop

more better than normal blizz chat

[indigo token]

i play vulpera frost mage

[copper radish]

kul tiran is my favorite

[covert kestrel]

P**p is a banned word, please revisit the #rules-and-guides

[stuck sparrow]

im gonna q pvp as vulpera prot warrior

[serene brook]

@vivid vessel what WA do you use for dungeons? I rly like circle with timer to use hook for last boss in Ara-kara

[vivid vessel]

guys i did it again

[indigo token]

[vivid vessel]

usually i use the tww dungeon one

i havent updated for this season yet tho

i usually wait a bit

feel the dungeons myself

[copper radish]

outlaw looks AMAZING

[proven ocean]

@vivid vessel ?

[frank finch]

how much time left until blizz offices close

[serene brook]

just type ls

[proper veldt]

I always wondered

[vivid vessel]

https://wago.io/9zt9cPjIY

[proper veldt]

do you actually look at abiecherrie's thing

[vivid vessel]

thjis is the circle tho

[proper veldt]

I feel like its so much bloat

[copper radish]

i already got the floor plans to implement operation outlaw buffs

[vivid vessel]

skill issue

[proper veldt]

Like with tank busters everything selected etc

[keen belfry]

naw bruh

@vivid vessel

[vivid vessel]

[proper veldt]

just ran an eco dome watch my first boss boss damage

bro my rng was so bad

basically doing prot warr damage

[vivid vessel]

im so confused

are oyu maximus

like our maximus guy

[proper veldt]

wdym cuh

[vivid vessel]

i tought you had renamed in game

this confuses me

[proper veldt]

yeah I renamed back again

idk I have mood swings cuh

[vivid vessel]

ok stop doing that bro

[proper veldt]

I thought i'd like a 3 letter name

but I didnt

[keen belfry]

ive done more boss damage in season 2 than this

holy shit is this spec fried

[indigo token]

wdym

the best things in life are three letters

buh

cuh

zuh

muh

fuh

and who can forget xuh

[proper veldt]

I mean I was perma energy starved and spamming ss I dropped ar like 3 times in the boss fight

[indigo token]

not that cuh

[proper veldt]

tragic

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-cuh-cat-cat-meme-cat-tiktok-gif-3023015301402154829

this cuh

[proper veldt]

at one point I had no AR and cd like 1 min away and I thought maybe I just force snd bug and farm it back that way

maybe its faster xd

but then I was like nah nvm

[latent oak]

500iq

[nimble elk]

what is rotation for pvp outlaw im a new player

[vivid vessel]

#pvp

[wild rivet]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[vernal pawn]

whats this snd bug you speak of

[proper veldt]

!sndbug

[ornate heath]

There is once again a bug that lets you spam Slice and Dice during downtime for CDR. It works by causing SnD to refund CPs as if it benefits from Supercharger.

To activate the bug have to consume Supercharger once normally with RTB > finisher, and then SnD will bug out until your next damaging finisher, so you can spam a cancelaura macro while it is bugged. From 1CP, SnD will have an 80% chance to refund CPs so you can't spam it forever. To activate it between pulls, you have to delay RTB until towards the end of the pack. This can mean that trying to activate the bug can cost you more dps than it's worth.

The bug is not a secret to 11 million overalls, it can mostly just help you get AR back through periods of forced downtime.

/cast Slice and Dice```

[fallen mural]

!bug

[ornate heath]

[Outlaw bug Thread](#1276315296159760467 message)

[frank bane]

My BTE macro is getting insane

[craggy quiver]

[stiff vector]

bro you dont even have sprint in that macro? Cmon bro gotta go fast

[frank bane]

Shit you right

[smoky lotus]

you dont clam weave in your bte macro?

[stiff vector]

Its pretty nice tbh, gets kind of awk constantly having to hit sprint/evasion etc. other OGCD stuff during high keys

the only downside is, like 1% of the time perma being in sprint ends up killing me because im going super fast and like propel myself off a rock that shoots me into a swirlie or something

[torpid fiber]

streets stairs moment

[serene brook]

I use 2 different macros for vanish like
/cast vanish
/cast bte
and just for saving adr:
/cast vanish
/cast ss

[stiff vector]

just streets moment in general tbh

[torpid fiber]

I realise sometimes that I have muscle memory to press sprint whenever i have to move and it's so ingrained that I don't even notice myself doing it

[stiff vector]

that dungoen is cancer af

[torpid fiber]

I'll just run down a staircase and fly into a pack because I had sprint up

[stiff vector]

man it is crazy the difference in how much I hate streets on outlaw, compared to playing a ranged like BM hunter

I could not give a single fuck about that key on ranged, im giga chilling...basically nothing to worry about at all.

[proven ocean]

sounds like u hate it as melee

and not as an outlaw

because that dungeon is only hated as a melee

outlaw is probably really good with its grapples there

so

[stiff vector]

ye ofc

[torpid fiber]

Honestly I like a decent amount of streets, it just has some really bad parts

[fallen mural]

the dungeon i hate as outlaw is gambit

i can't figure it out lol compared to the rest

[torpid fiber]

Gambit you just accept that the first area you do 0 damage

But then you blast the rest of the dungeon

[valid tartan]

Some guy asked me to go sub for the first pull

I left that group

[fallen mural]

let me tell you i was so far behind on the first area. i felt like calling it quits there..

Sometimes its good though, but when the first area goes well the group seems to wipe somewhere else in the dungeon and throw the key haha

[stiff vector]

it is just crazy how big of a diff there is between ranged/melee in keys this xpac. Like melee is always harder every xpac, but I feel like they really turned it up to 11 in TWW...there is basically just fuck all to really worry about on ranged outside of simply moving out of the way of something.

[delicate seal]

on top of -acro

[torpid fiber]

tbf you're playing bm

[delicate seal]

i made a hunter alt and its like

[torpid fiber]

bm is infamously brain off

[delicate seal]

insane how diff it is, just afk somewhere

stuff shoots u in head

healer heals u

[torpid fiber]

But yeah idk I think every dev plays ranged

[delicate seal]

the very few that even touch the game*

[stiff vector]

the ease of BMs rotation isnt really the point, plenty of casters have enough mobility/instants that simply making them move a few feet once and a while hardly effects them

[delicate seal]

only thing even close to "annoying" for ranged is aoe silences but

you have a huge bar/bw counting down

stop casting in 3 2 1

etc

meanwhile theres 500 swrilies in melee range

with diff timings

questionable visibility

[stiff vector]

ye I mean theres like what...maybe 2? AoE silences in keys

[delicate seal]

sometimes doesn't even render

yea thats my point rofl its not even close

[stiff vector]

meanwhile there is perma shit in melee griefing uptime

[delicate seal]

also up until now, idk if you all forgot

swirlies used to be very arbitrary

with where the hurtbox was

[torpid fiber]

it's wild bc I've heard ppl say (and not just here) that ranged is just giga chill since at least SL

[delicate seal]

old swirlies are like this lmao

u had to just learn by experience exeactly what their size was

[torpid fiber]

I kinda wonder if they'll make ranged have to move more to account for their extra mobility they have now

[stiff vector]

I remember the huge swirlies in Freehold from the big golems would just go completely invis sometimes and it bricked a few Freeholds' for me S2

[torpid fiber]

I had a bug the other day where I couldn't see my arrow on last boss gambit

[stiff vector]

I thik the main diff this xpac has really been the removal of affixes

[drowsy ridge]

I still remember the Casterclysm

[stiff vector]

most of what griefed ranged before was literally just the affixes

[delicate seal]

on dimmy also

[stiff vector]

volcanic, spiteful etc.

[delicate seal]

the area of the platform you can actually hit him from

is pretty small

so its kinda funny

when soaking you have a tiny usable sliver

[stiff vector]

so now with no affixes, there is basically nothing to grief ranged anymore

[delicate seal]

in floodgate, you have to move sometimes when an inspector hops behind you

you might have to press A or D forl ike .8 secs

[stiff vector]

ye but I think everyone hates those mfers

[delicate seal]

diff is

[stiff vector]

always jumping out of peoples aoe/cleave

[delicate seal]

the cone is iffy in some conditions for melee

and can even zone you

from the mobs entirely

ranged just kinda dont care

[stiff vector]

ye sometimes they D me up like a Defensive Lineman and I just sit there like ok bro

you win

fuck off

[glass mortar]

i just accidently ran a key as fatebound "cleave" build

i cant believe people actually play this in keys

i have never felt so useless

[frank bane]

I played FB on our Prog kill on Soul Hunters by accident. It happens.

[junior coral]

In keys you can remove :talent_thiefs_versatility: Thief's Versatility for Sleight.
CQQAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM2mBjZGzMzMDzwDMmZmhZmZmWmxsNDAAAAAA22mZmhZGWglZZAAAAYmZAwY2MMkBmFWoF2MA

^this is a little more experimental as losing the Vers is a bigger deal than Heavy Hitter/Swift Slasher.

is it still experimental ?

or are we just riding out with LD/Sleight and throwing out thiefs vers

[glass mortar]

still experimental

[junior coral]

find any thing else worth of note?

[glass mortar]

if there was itd be in the pin :p

[elder phoenix]

am i doing it right?

https://i.imgur.com/eSsgYBd.jpeg

[floral compass]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[elfin mural]

!gear

[ornate heath]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/outlaw.webp

[elfin mural]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[elfin mural]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[quaint mauve]

well like there’s only like 2 keys where you’d even run it

[quaint mauve]

i think this was a good change though

affixes weren’t fun

especially cancer ones like spiteful

i hated that shit as melee

[red zinc]

Idk its strange

didnt like most affixes but

pushing every week (without a consistent group) also kinda burns me out

[rotund zodiac]

Cool WA, I need this

[frail veldt]

not even tbh

I think zac was right in that fatebounds stricter vanish rules actually make it worse for m+ no matter the key

trickster is much more flexible with its vanish usage

which is way way better for playing around mechanics

[gaunt phoenix]

it's interesting

just one way that paper dps is not always better

[stiff vector]

o ye for sure, it was hella annoying having push weeks and then weeks that were just miserable

[bright crane]

i thought the silliest was affixes where some classes just couldnt do them

and some were turbo op at dealing with them

[vivid vessel]

It reminds me of acro

Like with the GS vanihs thing with fateboudn

I feel very locked to the target

And it's kinda similar to when we had no acro builds in raid

Was it worth the DPS gain?

Idk

Fatebound is definitely playable in raid tho no questions about it

It's def annoying in m+ tho

Don't really wanna bother with it

Doesn't even seem good at what's it's supposed to be doing anyway

St is barely higher idk doesn't feel like it's worth

[indigo token]

i like fatebound for the extra AR cdr

but like

its not a good hero talent

[frail veldt]

got the plexus fight sucks so much fucking ass

[indigo token]

it does

[frail veldt]

honestly this raid is kinda F tier

I think it might be my least favorite since I started playing again in SL

[frank finch]

yea your bugging

[frail veldt]

every fight has so many shit hitboxes or do nothing mechanics or rp boringness

[red zinc]

This raid is just okay

[covert kestrel]

dimmy p1 hitbox is a crime against humanity

[red zinc]

decent bosses with a pretty bad last boss gameplay wise

But cool visuals

so idk

[lucid vale]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torpid fiber]

the raid has insane hype moments and aura

[frail veldt]

dimmy hitbox, loomithar goop hurtbox, towers knockback on forgeweaver, piss knockback on soulbinder that you have to wait to land to drop bad

like everything is just miserable

[red zinc]

Still better than undermine

[indigo token]

nah

like

[frail veldt]

undermine was pretty fun

thematically was very cool

[indigo token]

the only really ass fights for outlaw (that I did)

were stix and rik

[frail veldt]

way better than just "arcane the raid"

[red zinc]

Sad we wont get harranir raid

or well

The single boss raid will be harranir themed

voidspire is just more void and quelthalas will maybe be xalatath fight lite

Final xalatath fight (I assume with her true form) gotta be the coolest shit ever for her to be the villain of 2-3 xpacs

[frail veldt]

LOL good one

its gona be full of taxi cab mechanics

the more thematic a boss fight is the worse it is to play usually imo

sylvanis...

[indigo token]

i mean

we can go even further back

spine/madness

[frail veldt]

I mean if you like playing uncharted

[indigo token]

ICC gunship

[frail veldt]

then you will like those boss fights

but i prefer playing my character

[indigo token]

ghuun (IM GHUUNING)

[smoky lotus]

xalatath raid boss will have a shield that caps damage taken and incentivises flat damage specs

[red zinc]

idk i fw anduin and that fight was crazy thematic

[frail veldt]

outlaw still wont be in prog

[vivid vessel]

Yo guys

[red zinc]

As long as they arent focusing on the environment the fight can be good

[vivid vessel]

Can we complain about killing spree being rng targeting on cd please

People need to understand

It's probably the main thing that makes outllw terrible

I need more complainers

[red zinc]

ks actually targets critters and causes it to not cleave on a few hits

(made this up)

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

((Real))

[vivid vessel]

[red zinc]

we straight glorpposting

[smoky lotus]

KS couldve been our 1 uncapped spell...

[red zinc]

no

people that want frontal cone spells are delulu

[vivid vessel]

Nah but fr tho

It's legit the r1 issue with outlaw rn

And I feel like

This won't ever get adressed

Cause people are clueless

If you ask guy he will probably tell you he doesn't care aswell

[torpid heath]

idgaf about uncapped if i can get better ST tbh

[vivid vessel]

Watch him write an outlaw article and don't even mention ks being rng targeting

[torpid heath]

ah yeah thats a problem xD

[red zinc]

Did anything come of the builders not cleaving properly thing

[covert kestrel]

sub main fr

[red zinc]

Fury main nowadays

[fathom bramble]

how

fury might be one of the least fun melee I've ever seen

[vivid vessel]

Nah but idk

Spread the word

People need to be more aware

Cause this is litteraly the worse outlaw issue atm

[fathom bramble]

fate intertwined also does this