Deleting outlaw and starting anew
#outlaw
wintry solar
granite merlin
Ugggg in market my adrush uptime was 67% :/ I have utterly failed
wintry solar
Trust
cinder haven
any type of development effort usually leads to bugs
wintry solar
The bugs under my skin are telling me
cinder haven
trying to fix bugs is the most common source of bugs though
torpid fiber
ime the most common source of bugs is unit tests
gaunt phoenix
i dont understand bf
cinder haven
nani
spare dome
big if true
cinder haven
is nimble flurry affecting only some things?
vivid vessel
Is it same target count everytime
cinder haven
exactly the same targets even from what I can tell
vivid vessel
Is gm up
Is nimble flurry up
Is fazed up on targets, main target
Gs stuffs
Idk
gaunt phoenix
ghostly strike up, nimble flurry up, no gm, idk fazed
wintry solar
I'm halfway there
spare dome
ye but shouldnt do all these things affect the overall damage
wintry solar
I need the green light
gaunt phoenix
at first i thought it was crit damage from trickster being reversed out
vivid vessel
Nah nvm idk it's the same targets and shit
elfin mural
guys how much vers ur cloak give u ? i see people with more then +3000vers on murlok or raider.io is that a bug ?
gaunt phoenix
yeah cloak is like 1800 or smth
frank finch
we panicing?
elfin mural
vivid vessel
I'm panicking
spare dome
bf doesnt snapshot nimbleflurry and gm
dense bolt
junior coral
We thinking tuning will come today lol?
Mondays usually when it drops yea
Every one get some thing buy rogue lol
wintry solar
Friday usually
cinder haven
it did snapshot GM before they fixed the bug
upper hazel
200% buff for all spells would be great. But at the end they only buff Killing Spree for 5% 
spare dome
it did snapshot GM before they fixed the bug
wouldnt be the first time a bug came back 
cinder haven
I will only agree to KS buff if they fix so it only hits main target
otherwise we close the discord
wintry solar
That one guy would be so happy
gaunt phoenix
i dont understand bf
ghostly strike does not boost auto attacks- so the yellow is correct (54%)
wintry solar
I forgot his name
red zinc
I mean I thought the "we move the outlaw channel to tarren mill trade chat" was a good idea
wintry solar
We should put outlaw chat under miscellaneous
torpid fiber
tbh why isn't it
wintry solar
Great April 1st prank
gaunt phoenix
where
torpid fiber
that can theoretically happen tbf
cinder haven
yeah it's the sharpshooters that take the bigger hit
so it makes sense
and the footmen have varying degree of defend stacked maybe
same with the melee at the top
I still kinda wanna write this one off and blame defend
wintry solar
What's defend
cinder haven
the yellow bubble thing the footmen does in psf
wintry solar
Oh yeahhh
gaunt phoenix
there's something wrong with builders i think
in this case, no ghostly strike
fazed on main target but not other targets
gaunt phoenix
at first i thought it was crit damage from trickster being reversed out
it might be this
vivid vessel
It's only for finishers no?
vivid vessel
10%?
gaunt phoenix
50%
spare dome
so you dont feel bad when you press SS x10
cinder haven
60% on SS, 68% on UB when testing on dummies
gaunt phoenix
this non-crit is correct (with ghostly strike)
but 1 second later a crit is incorrect
frank finch
panic level rising
proper veldt
D:
dense bolt
cinder haven
this wasn't even what we were supposed to find
vivid vessel
But we wait for buffs first guys
cinder haven
targetcapped complained about bte
vivid vessel
No pin yet solo
proper veldt
frfrfrfrfr
stiff vector
SO YOURE TELLINNG ME
proper veldt
signed petition
frank finch
so looking for a bug found a 2nd bug
stiff vector
IM NOT CRAZY!!
gaunt phoenix
tbf our
builders are not exactly a large portion of dmg
cinder haven
frank finch
cool
wintry solar
<:ks:1407878495715070153>
Schrodingers builder
stiff vector
i am requesting an immediate audit of outlaw rogue by blizzard, should net us a solid 10% buff right there in unknown/known bug fixes
long barn
But we wait for buffs first guys
So there’s a chance
slate forge
No chance he’s just high on hopium
spare dome
I mean guy in twitch chat said today that outlaw is the best rogue spec
because zac has the highest rio
And I guess there are many people who think that and maybe even someone in blizzard who thinks that
vivid vessel
long barn
Way to go Zac
slate forge
Atleast he knows how to open rio blizz only looks at wow article titles
vivid vessel
tbf our
builders are not exactly a large portion of dmg
HM
spare dome
good
vivid vessel
sure you want that?
no
long barn
Is this broke on Fatebound ST builds?
vivid vessel
cancel it
long barn
Or only trick
slate forge
More people play HO more performance drops more chance for buff
spare dome
If more people played HO the perfomance of the spec would go up unironically
slate forge
HO pretty bad in raid and that’s the only data they look at if they look at any
granite merlin
HO is so much more satisfying to play 🙁
covert kestrel
HO is so much more satisfying to play 🙁
you've never kir back to back 6 buffs and it shows
granite merlin
lol I’m too busy not keeping ad rush up
wintry solar
you've never kir back to back 6 buffs and it shows
Not that satisfying
covert kestrel
Not that satisfying
copper radish
Guys don’t worry. Maybe in midnight we will be good in raid
wintry solar
We're gonna be like BM in terms of CDs
Short CDs off of cdr
Like sub where the CD of off cdr but everything else is
gaunt phoenix
if sin doesnt get bugfixes then this bf thing wont be on the radar
red zinc
Guys don’t worry. Maybe in midnight we will be good in raid
monkeys paw: the single boss raid will be a full cleave fight so we will technically be good in a whole raid
stiff vector
there is 0% chance this shit is remotely on their radar
they had 0 clue about last seasons BF bug
they just genuinely pay near 0 attention to the class and its bugs
copper radish
monkeys paw: the single boss raid will be a full cleave fight so we will technic...
That’s fucking incredible. S tier outlaw for monkeys paw we getting ALL THE INVITES
stiff vector
tfw the good news is: im not crazy, but the bad news is: im not crazy
proven ocean
@vivid vessel i just had some good english breakfast at 6 pm
i suddenly started to love beans i feel like im 50 years old for saying that
copper radish
<@352916297262301194> i just had some good english breakfast at 6 pm
The war been over for over 80 years bro
stiff vector
this is what happens to you when you become a sub rogue, you start liking beans on toast and old people shit because the apm is so slow
hasty warren
https://wowfolio.matteobernardi.fr/Elfinor
nice site to make a portfolio of ur character, if u need
hasty warren
don't look my parses
inner meadow
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
vivid vessel
Wtf is a wowfolio bruh
gaunt phoenix
tfw the good news is: im not crazy, but the bad news is: im not crazy
Well
builder crits having lower bf damage
hasty warren
Wtf is a wowfolio bruh
u see what is a portfolio ?
gaunt phoenix
is not like
vivid vessel
u see what is a portfolio ?
Yq
gaunt phoenix
turning 13 million pull into 18 million
hasty warren
well it's a portfolio for wow characters
that's it
idk if ppl needs it
maybe for recrutement
rotund zodiac
guys, how is this build do in keys?
gaunt phoenix
wdym?
rotund zodiac
just wanna know if it's better
gaunt phoenix
it's the same / better high roll
tired rune
feels better to me with rolls
vivid vessel
https://wowfolio.matteobernardi.fr/Elfinor
nice site to make a portfolio of ur c...
Looks fun
Looks dogshit on mobile tho
But on computer it's cool
hasty warren
Looks dogshit on mobile tho
it's someone on reddit works so the format adaptation might be shit xd
but tbo it's well done
mighty pivot
Surprising Attacks not applying the crit bonus to cleave isn't that surprising ( 
). And it's the same for sub's flurry as well
cedar moss
hi can you convince a friend to play sub and not outlaw for keys so we dont bench him
mighty pivot
your friend needs new friends
wintry solar
just go "if youre neck and neck with the tank youre off the team" and run a key
stiff vector
cedar moss
we need more prio/funnel and it was fun and all but in 18 bro is an affix now 
copper radish
its a 25$ breakfast
They gentrified the war food 😂
wintry solar
beasn beans the magical fruit
copper radish
Zeroes gonna be eating pie and mash next
red zinc
https://wowfolio.matteobernardi.fr/targetcapped godlike <:HOLY:12508934401835705...
what is that link
new website or grabber
jolly geyser
Zeroes gonna be eating pie and mash next
its bangers&mash
jolly geyser
new website or grabber
ye im now hacked
copper radish
its bangers&mash
Bossssshhhhh
red zinc
They gentrified the war food 😂
shits actually ridiculous
why does so much of west europe + scandinavia still eat war food
as a cultural thing
start actually enjoying cuisine lmao
vivid vessel
it's someone on reddit works so the format adaptation might be shit xd
It says godlike for me 
wintry solar
More slop Reginald 
hasty warren
It says godlike for me <:basegcat:1107701282577334292>
u're the goat
vivid vessel
No offense tho flushies
gaunt phoenix
noob
torpid heath
I guess its numbers not % thats why
copper radish
Where these ratings at
bronze jackal
Urs + some
Unless its more than 2k something
On serious note
Zac as the nr 1 outlaw or no
Thsts what i want to ask
strong halo
Zac is basically Wox waiting room
tired rune
that site wont connect to battle net for me so xD
mighty pivot
number 1 outlaw is popo, thoughts? 2 wox, 3 zac
strong halo
I watch Zac he puts numbers I’ll never achieve, through all his bug abuses
Wox makes me feel human
Because bm hunter is in group
strong halo
number 1 outlaw is popo, thoughts? 2 wox, 3 zac
NESSA HO > Wox > awang > zero > zac imo
gaunt phoenix
THE LOCH NESSA
wintry solar
I hate looking at myself in armory because my ilvl is always so low and I get scared. But its always just me logging off with pvp gear
stiff vector
mighty pivot
NESSA HO > Wox > awang > zero > zac imo
it's true that nessa is goated but don't put awang over zac, that guy is too scared to even duel nessa. Zac would never be afraid
strong halo
Big true I’m sorry
vivid vessel
NESSA HO > Wox > awang > zero > zac imo
Wtff
tired rune
LOL
mighty pivot
zac is losing it 🕉️
strong halo
I’ll switch Awang to 5th for dodging NESSA you’re right
tired rune
"What more do I have to do" - zac
strong halo
"What more do I have to do" - zac
Well if he didn’t cut stream early yesterday I wouldn’t be trolling him
strong halo
Yeah but I wanted more.
mighty pivot
zac gets minus points for his music transitions
dark sable
I streamed 5/6 hr
should have gone for 20
vivid vessel
zac gets minus points for his music transitions <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Dude
It keeps you on your toes now?
strong halo
You were on your way to R1 and then I had to watch gingi play bm hunter
vivid vessel
Like you don't expect it it's better
vivid vessel
You were on your way to R1 and then I had to watch gingi play bm hunter
Ye but we have very limited schedule
We play like 2 days a week
strong halo
zac gets minus points for his music transitions <:garf_sit:1334889429449314456>
Half of Zac’s playlist is bangers the other half is 🥴. But I’m a self hating French man who hates French rap
vivid vessel
Are you french
strong halo
We play like 2 days a week
Aren’t you done with prog tho?
vivid vessel
Yes
strong halo
Are you french
02 Aisne
covert kestrel
Are you french
wtf bro you cant just ask someone if theyre french
vivid vessel
But porsea work during weekends
Then everyone raid a different day
And we are all working people
So it's quite limited
proper veldt
So it's quite limited
/played reveal
vivid vessel
Will check
I mean I play everytime I'm home
Just saying it's hard to play together
When we all raid diff days
All work everyday
And monksea work weekends
You know
proper veldt
what's raid schedule like for reclears?
gaunt phoenix
what other random modifiers exist other than trickster crit damage
proper veldt
what other random modifiers exist other than trickster crit damage
sus
vivid vessel
what's raid schedule like for reclears?
I do 2 days at start then 1 day quite quickly
strong halo
wtf imagine working on weekends
Hey hey we don’t judge people on how they make their bread
junior coral
lol I’m pretty sure @vivid vessel put me onto this dude, he’s got some
Bangers https://open.spotify.com/track/2950OAvbXU95Qx85Yek02v?si=u67OgPADRk2_QFx_COhsVA
mighty pivot
what other random modifiers exist other than trickster crit damage
diamond crit mod
gaunt phoenix
lethality
cinder haven
dwarf racial
junior coral
mighty pivot
that too but we don't take that
gaunt phoenix
oh
mighty pivot
sub takes lethality and it doesn't cleave
junior coral
And this lol https://open.spotify.com/track/1uRuoBX4nHRxu0J75Nr6VI?si=5Y64K5zES9...
This song cracks me up lol no idea what he saying thou
vivid vessel
And this lol https://open.spotify.com/track/1uRuoBX4nHRxu0J75Nr6VI?si=5Y64K5zES9...
This is legit his worse song omegalt
Also it's a troll song kinda
This guy does a lot of this kind of stuffs
Or well did I guess
He is more serious now
mighty pivot
omegalt ( 🕉️ )
junior coral
Haha, yea this is just one of the ones you linked awhile ago. I can deff tell it as troll song, but a lot of song are that
crimson arch
!cheat
gaunt phoenix
!gear
ornate heathBOT
crimson arch
!defensive
gaunt phoenix
!def
ornate heathBOT
Rogue Defensive Spreadsheet: > Click to open <
tulip quarry
builder crits having lower bf damage
Yeah but BF does not crit , so that means it lower the crit value ? And most importantly that means that crit damage aka dwarf racial is less valuable that we think it is ? ^^
serene brook
BF does not crit, but it transfers crit damage from other spells
tulip quarry
Our builders do quite low damage tho
Yes, but seen how close our secondary are, that can change quite some stuff in term of gearing ^
worldly shale
kazzak is big guys
frail veldt
trying to catch up, so the crit damage bonus of trickster isnt applying for the bladeflurry hits?
mighty pivot
yes and neither does the one from lethality
mighty pivot
the trickster crit damage bonus not applying kinda makes sense. Lethality not so much but that's irrelevant for outlaw anyway
frail veldt
the trickster crit damage bonus not applying kinda makes sense. Lethality not so...
why does that make sense?
mighty pivot
because it's an extension of a debuff (fazed)
frail veldt
ah ye that makes sense ig
cinder haven
can even be argued to be "not a bug"
gaunt phoenix
hmm i dont see it that way
It's just a modifier?
You could argue anything is "like a debuff"
oh, it's tied to fazed
so it is tied to a debuff
Maybe it already works in simc then
cinder haven
Yeah maybe
cinder haven
They tend to come with a bunch of design issues at least
This one feels kinda unnecessary to have as a debuff
frail veldt
Debuffs shouldn't exist in wow change my mind
how would you design all specs with dots/bleeds
lofty pike
how would you design all specs with dots/bleeds
Buff on yourself dealing DMG to target enemy or 5-8 near Targets for aoe? Starfall like
frail veldt
thats just bladeflurry
...
lol
if every bleed was just immolation aura then youd lose a lot of design potential
lofty pike
But get rid of many Bugs i guess
mossy shell
wow mean 🙁 🙁
frail veldt
altering design to accomodate for bugs I think is more of a shortcut
mossy shell
zac toxic confirmed
frail veldt
zac toxic was never in question
chilly ember
is Screams of a Forgotten Sky a good trinket for single target fight if i only got 21 crit
gaunt phoenix
yeah it's fine
cinder haven
how would you design all specs with dots/bleeds
Dots are alright and easy to understand, maybe cc stuff is ok as well, damage amp stuff not so much
chilly ember
it varys from 1.7% to 7.8% in m6 fight lol
frail veldt
Dots are alright and easy to understand, maybe cc stuff is ok as well, damage am...
yeah then they combine damage amp with dots haha
like spriest
copper radish
Blizz should just delete outlaw and start from scratch with all the bugs we have
cinder haven
Yeah and make a whole new set of bugs
gaunt phoenix
it seems the interaction is not auto parsed in simc
cedar kernel
frank finch
ok whats the tldr
copper radish
ok whats the tldr
No buffs
frank finch
vivid vessel
how would you design all specs with dots/bleeds
Dots are acceptable, I more meant debuffs with interactions you know
Bleeds and stuffs are just
It's different
vivid vessel
wow mean 🙁 🙁
Am I wrong tho ..
frail veldt
I think they do overly rely on them
but
theyre def necessary for a lot of things
fazed doesnt need to exist though
it just ruins coups randomly and makes shit broken
frail veldt
poisons
vivid vessel
Fazed
frail veldt
I think thats fine
strong cargo
Quick question about pc and priotarget, on 2 targets (I'm thinking first boss priory) I should focus the other target but only if GM is up ? (and I guess if I didn't already use GS on the main target)
frail veldt
I think all debuffs that actually act as debuffs are fine
gaunt phoenix
Quick question about pc and priotarget, on 2 targets (I'm thinking first boss pr...
Target doesnt matter
chilly ember
Can we have group clos and eva btw
frail veldt
any debuff that actually applies a buff
gaunt phoenix
they share damage
frail veldt
to the player
is bad
but a debuff like GS is really just a buff to the player is it not?
that doesnt need to exist
vivid vessel
Spatter
shut turret
Question about tricks of the trade, we had an outlaw in group earlier who claimed the tank had some buff that prevented him from getting tricks from the rogue. He also claimed that that was the reason why he was doing low dps in a 15 floodgate, is that a thing?
slate forge
Maintenance debuffs are just bad maintenance buffs aren’t that much better poor design that rarely feels impactful
vivid vessel
Well that's kinda Mt point I guess
frail veldt
caustic is a buff to the player yeah lol
debuffs arent wrong
but theyre using debuffs as buffs
and they arent good enough at coding that
gaunt phoenix
i mean the tank can use a neural silencer to prevent receiving tricks, it's not necessarily related to low dps though
vivid vessel
but most debuffs that arent bleeds or dots etc are that tho ?
frail veldt
no theres plenty of debuffs
poisons, slows, etc
things that debuff the enemy or do damage to the enemy arent really problematic imo
things that interact with incoming damage from one specific player are problematic
CC in general is obv fine
shut turret
i mean the tank can use a neural silencer to prevent receiving tricks, it's not ...
Ok thanks, I figured it wasnt related to his damage lol. Run was going fine, rogue died and inted after big momma because of the silencer ig
frail veldt
sadly I dont think theyre ever gona fix this haha
gaunt phoenix
it is more or less true that if outlaw cannot use tricks then they will die
No tricks makes you want to uninstall
shut turret
It wasn’t an aggro issue thats for sure lol, he died from mob charge on momma
frail veldt
No tricks makes you want to uninstall
honestly idk if I can ever go back to fatebound
gaunt phoenix
oh well
random stirrup
1 hour tricks is too op
The way I play other specs and just walk into packs and immediately dump burst and die because no tricks
It’s really a problem
Too used to having it
frank finch
😎
vivid vessel
ocean lodge
BM lol
frank finch
vapid blaze
<:basegcat:1107701282577334292>
good thing they got buffed
frail veldt
LOL what fight is this from
chilly ember
M7 xd
frail veldt
whats m7
chilly ember
just 3 outlaw logs
vivid vessel
nexus king ?
chilly ember
ye
spare dome
dont boost the logs wtf
keen belfry
this one is kinda lit
mighty pivot
add killer spec
ocean lodge
You see guys, outlaw is fine because the other two rogue specs are fine.
ocean lodge
and the sad part is that's probably the logic
keen belfry
not even the scary orb adds
vivid vessel
outlaw buffs incoming
fathom bramble
people always vote to remove pad
frail veldt
honestly
mighty pivot
outlaw buffs are this week 
100%
frail veldt
the meters will look like this
vivid vessel
you need a bit of time for things to set in
frail veldt
then buff?
serene brook
remember surv hunter buffs 2nd season? me neither
serene brook
serene brook
we will be buffed for sure on this or next week
junior coral
Some one link for the voting
fathom bramble
just go to warcraftlogs and the poll will pop up if you are logged in
what're the chances we get buffs on reset
fathom bramble
sometimes we get something this late, but only when there is already some kind of tuning planned
random stirrup
I think removing forgeweaver this early is a little weird but I voted yes anyway
indigo token
so we're so bad that there's no chance we get ignored
agile orchid
if they actually bother doing class tuning there is a high chance rogue gets buffed
serene brook
or nerfed? 🤔
vivid vessel
dont say rogue
stop saying rogue
imma be so mad if assa and sub get buffed the same amount as outlaw
big crashout
chilly ember
rogue + bow = hunter = t0 dps
agile orchid
I kinda doubt they will buff sub
but they will buff assa for sure
enjoy your 3% buff xd
vivid vessel
assa is 10 times better than outlaw
indigo token
"Bladeflurry has been changed from 60% to 55%"
covert kestrel
vote yes everything
chilly ember
GS has been changed form 15% to 12%
granite merlin
Hi friends I have a question for the people who make weak aura if something is possible
agile orchid
"Bladeflurry has been changed from 60% to 55%"
isn't bladeflurry currently at 45% lmao
indigo token
idk
serene brook
isn't bladeflurry currently at 45% lmao
it is
vivid vessel
they fixed bf bug so that outlaw wasnt doing tank damage in aoe
and then
they nerfed bf
bright crane
Bruh there won’t be anything
serene brook
imagine 40% but no target cap
bright crane
Don’t kid yourselves
vivid vessel
so that we take our rightous place again
under tanks
shit so funny
fucking clueless devs
indigo token
guys
i get it now
yknow how in xenoblade
there's regular tanks
and evasion tanks
midnight
outlaw becomes the evasion tank
bright crane
Time spent not gearing up an alt is time wasted
granite merlin
I want to make an Ad rush weak aura a tiny iconThen have a bar that goes down when ad rush is ticking. But also a bar that goes up below it that shows the cooldown being reduced is that possible?
agile orchid
outlaw in prepatch with the old tier was blasting 
but then the new tier set basically nerfed us 
red zinc
gotta stop deluding yourself with the idea that outlaw will get buffs and complain as if it wont
covert kestrel
what else can we do
come up with fun and wacky mastery reworks
serene brook
I think they should buff frost dk with another 5%
slate forge
Close the discord get a wowhead article boom buffs it’s that easy
red zinc
what else can we do
idk start sandbagging logs lmao
red zinc
shits too high on the overall statistics
indigo token
like
should we close the discord
as an experiment
to see if they actually pay attention to us
bright crane
lol sure
agile orchid
I don't want the wow community to make fun of us
red zinc
naw dont officially close it just all make an alt on tarrenmill / area52 and start using that as the #outlaw channel
bright crane
The 100 people that will be unconvenienced
fathom bramble
you can stop typing here and pretend it's closed
bright crane
That will move Blizz for sure
fathom bramble
but as funny as it would be there is basically a 0% chance that the leadership in here would do that
it's also probably a bad idea
red zinc
no
cinder relic
We aren't doing it shut up already
slate forge
We need to be more creative just need to do something stupid to get a wowhead article and boom buffs
cinder relic
Jesus christ get a new joke
indigo token
We aren't doing it shut up already
(im being mostly unserious)
red zinc
buug escape route
fathom bramble
They found a new bug already
it's only a matter of time before we get another coup level event
slate forge
Cat pics only until buffs
fathom bramble
there might even be one waiting to be found
indigo token
Cat pics only until buffs
covert kestrel
everyone do a poop strike where we dont poop until outlaw gets the fixes it needs! whose with me!!!!
red zinc
we need to gaslight blizzard into believing there is a bug
indigo token
everyone do a poop strike where we dont poop until outlaw gets the fixes it need...
im already doing no poop september
covert kestrel
im already doing no poop september
my body is going to operate at peak efficiency
nothing wasted
agile orchid
we get mad if nothing happens
then nothing happens anyway
learn to play sub I guess
red zinc
assa getting buffed before outluh
cinder relic
red zinc
agile orchid
probably
harsh forge
agile orchid
they love assa when it comes to tuning
indigo token
cinder relic
they love assa when it comes to tuning
You say that, and then it's still bugged 
harsh forge
another 8% for sin or we shut down the outlaw channel
agile orchid
You say that, and then it's still bugged <:OMEGALUL:588187012067229697>
I said tuning, not bug fixing
red zinc
no cappy
gaunt phoenix
poop strike
covert kestrel
SOLO SUPPORTS OUR CAUSE
agile orchid
assa is also shit
yes, but they usually make sure assa is the best rogue spec in raid
red zinc
what the helly
indigo token
blizzard blessing us with buffs after the poop strike
red zinc
man i gotta poop rn
slate forge
You can’t
slate forge
We’ll never get buffs if you give in so easily
agile orchid
also wasn't midnight alpha supposed to start already
red zinc
also wasn't midnight alpha supposed to start already
several weeks after gamescom idk
been a month
agile orchid
or is it just internal testing
I would have expected to see the new talent trees by now
red zinc
naw alp;ha aint internal
indigo token
take all the anti-diarrehtics you have
covert kestrel
indigo token
we're in for the long haul
covert kestrel
me when the poop strike works
indigo token
https://tenor.com/view/case-oh-caseoh-ai-caseoh-ai-caseoh-meme-gif-2106382153406...
i fucking hate ai
red zinc
what am i seeing
indigo token
but its so funny
covert kestrel
what am i seeing
you're witnessing the birth of a movement
indigo token
covert kestrel
https://tenor.com/view/monday-left-me-broken-cat-memes-cursed-cat-nightmare-gif-11685974878066349245
vivid vessel
agile orchid
do you think they will remove roll the bones
red zinc
https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-20244886
ok twin
keen belfry
i miss somnius
vivid vessel
same
cinder relic
do you think they will remove roll the bones
0%
vivid vessel
he was too young
keen belfry
his last message inthe discord had @keen belfry in it
red zinc
cant say i noticed him being gone
vivid vessel
miss you @somnius
covert kestrel
cant say i noticed him being gone
fathom bramble
there is nothing about RTB that requires a WA
half of your guys RTB WAs look like the fuckin cooldown tracker already
cinder relic
Well for one, in the trailer for the expansion, there is an outlaw rogue casting roll the bones
fathom bramble
if anything they remove or adjust kir if they care that much
agile orchid
wait there is an outlaw rogue in the trailer?
cinder relic
It'd be weird to be talking about "specs like outlaw being hard to play without weakauras", then feature it in an expansion trailer using its most iconic spell
red zinc
rtb passive type shi
cinder relic
wait there is an outlaw rogue in the trailer?
In the expansion features trailer ya
red zinc
that rogue had daggers, they're actually giving rtb to sub
worldly shale
copper radish
0%
What about the possibility of it just fully become passive and proccing off something
covert kestrel
rtb passive type shi
its the new empowered version of the spell that has a 6s cast time and if you hold for all 6s you get 6 buff automatically on a 12 min cd
red zinc
about 6 or 7 %
jolly geyser
67
red zinc
🥀
copper radish
Six seven
keen belfry
6 7
cinder relic
What about the possibility of it just fully become passive and proccing off some...
Probably also 0%
fathom bramble
it still had the same cast animation in the referenced clip
agile orchid
I am probably blind
fathom bramble
why would a cast animation play for a passive
not talking about the dice falling on the floor
fathom bramble
but the actual active character animation
vivid vessel
ok but
what if kir
got the rtb animation
and they remove the rtb button itself
mad ?
red zinc
fair points
vivid vessel
get owned noob
agile orchid
they could also just straight up rework the entire RTB functionality
red zinc
but what if they literally hadnt even started working on rogue at the time of making that trailer
agile orchid
and reuse the animation
red zinc
seems even more likely to me
random stirrup
Rtb gives 1 random buff you don’t have and extends current buffs by 15s 
cinder relic
Yeah and what if my grandma had wheels. She would be a bike then
jolly geyser
Classic
cold jewel
Yeah and what if my grandma had wheels. She would be a bike then
not if she had 3 wheels
lethal oak
What if they make outlaw a 25yd range melee caster
cold jewel
then she would be a trike
cinder relic
seems even more likely to me
So you think its more likley that RTB is being turned into a passive, because RTB is being turned into a passive, but wasn't worked on in time for the trailer?
agile orchid
What if they make outlaw a 25yd range melee caster
just make outlaw a full blown gunslinger
red zinc
then she would be a trike
cinder relic
That seems more likely to you?
spare dome
25yd range melee 🤔
red zinc
So you think its **more likley** that RTB is being turned into a passive, becaus...
no thats entirely seperate from the passive thing
jolly geyser
What if they make outlaw a 25yd range melee caster
They gonna make us sniper class 300yards away
copper radish
They should do something stupid and make the buffs proc off how many Ace procs u get during crackshot. 9 ace procs is 6 buffs. 7-8 is 5 and so on
lethal oak
Inb4 they revert back to our glorious combat spec
spare dome
@gaunt phoenix Wasnt outlaw only talked for like 5 seconds about it being hard to play w/o because of the question? Didnt the devs quickly jump to Unholy DK?
cinder relic
They have mentioned outlaw by name multiple times now
covert kestrel
They gonna make us sniper class 300yards away
jolly geyser
Throwing outlaw piss
cinder relic
They said it during the initial Weakaura purge comments a few months ago, and then for midnight they also mentioned it a second time
copper radish
<@921608341048930304> Wasnt outlaw only talked for like 5 seconds about it being...
Midnight is the expansion for the OUTLAWS
spare dome
<@921608341048930304> Wasnt outlaw only talked for like 5 seconds about it being...
Wrong ping, meant for @cinder relic
copper radish
Outlaw is solely the focus for midnight every season can’t see it any other way. I mean we made the trailer for god sake
red zinc
Outlaw is solely the focus for midnight every season can’t see it any other way....
valeera respeccing to outlaw
copper radish
they also show outlaw in the prey video
Combat dags is back 🔥
Now it makes sense we have ambush
cinder relic
Its so hard to find sourcing to shit on the internet now google is so fucking worthless
But I know these things happened
bright crane
Yeah and what if my grandma had wheels. She would be a bike then
She’d be a transformer
red zinc
gotta use -ai in the search at the very least
ai summary is so ass
takes up half the screen
copper radish
They can just delete it now if people don’t like it and pretend like it never happened “ai magic wand this off the Internet pls”
old gull
Outlaw gonna be a tank spec like sod
copper radish
Outlaw gonna be a tank spec like sod
They’d have to make it one DPS and one tank or else I’d quit
red zinc
im tryna play some tunes
bright crane
Can’t wait to sing my lil tunes
lethal oak
Just make RtB spend combo points and every point spent is an extra buff up to 5
bright crane
Yo ho, yo ho a pirates life for me
cinder relic
I wouldn't go as far as to say Outlaw will be the focus of the expac (obviously a joke but still lol)
But it is weird to mention "Outlaw rogue is too hard to play without weakauras" by name, twice, over the span of multiple months, in different contexts and not get some sort of simplification sweep for midnight
red zinc
straight yodelin my shi
copper radish
I mean what if they just remove bones and make it all passives 100% uptime
gaunt phoenix
I just wish they would do something right now to appease the 14 people playing outlaw
reducing GS energy cost would go a long way to combat low rolling i think
cinder relic
well again I would point towards midnight prey trailer having an outlaw rogue cast RTB
I don't think its just being turned into a passive
spare dome
well again I would point towards midnight prey trailer having an outlaw rogue ca...
Source? 🤓
copper radish
I’m gonna pretend like that trailer scene is to throw the scent off the changes
agile orchid
I don't think its just being turned into a passive
what if they just turn it into a simple buff
hybrid crown
Maybe make it so the weaker rtb buffs don't fuck our rotation, but still lower our dps
cinder relic
I'd sya its a fairly simple buff rn lol
cinder haven
Turning rtb into a passive was just a cook from the other day in this channel
copper radish
well again I would point towards midnight prey trailer having an outlaw rogue ca...
It’s a trick to deceive us lol
cinder haven
Doesn’t seem likely
vivid vessel
I'd sya its a fairly simple buff rn lol
Is it
agile orchid
I'd sya its a fairly simple buff rn lol
to be fair yes, in the past you used to have to reroll based on what rolls you got
vivid vessel
Ks rework litteraly fucked everything up
hybrid crown
So there's still a bit of skill to gaming good rolls, but it doesn't break outlaw because you did it wrong
vivid vessel
cinder relic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J70RTBh_nwA
Thank you
cinder haven
But it would achieve their goal of reducing reliance on weak auras
fathom bramble
cooldown tracker is already good enough for basic RTB
cinder relic
at 43 seconds on that video
fathom bramble
kir is the problem
red zinc
if container buffs lives to see another day they actually dont know what theyre doin
mighty pivot
why did they spread the information like that over 20 clips I dunno
spare dome
rtb with daggers
spare dome
I like sword more tho
copper radish
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J70RTBh_nwA
Outlaw daggers confirmed
spare dome
fuck
jolly geyser
I mean the legendary daggers worked with combat
copper radish
It looks like they updated the bones animation too?
cinder relic
It might just be highlighting the new lifted restrictions of the transmog system, or it could be indicative of outlaw being able to use daggers mainhand in Midnight
fathom bramble
or it could be some b-role someone made with default rogue gear on
vivid vessel
kir is the problem
Stop saying this wtf
copper radish
Oh man if we have LEGENDARY dagger set for midnight that all rogues specs can use 🔥
bright crane
Daggers in MH? BUT BRO MY FANTASY!!
vivid vessel
It's legit base rtb
chilly ember
I want to make an Ad rush weak aura a tiny iconThen have a bar that goes down wh...
got you
cinder relic
or it could be some b-role someone made with default rogue gear on
Yeah ig dispatch technically isn't cast in this video
Which is the spell thats blocked via daggers
copper radish
Whose making the bet pool that we get legendary daggers for midnight
agile orchid
do swords have more stats than daggers?
keen belfry
we r so funny, we are making pretty definitive statements based off pre alpha video clips
mighty pivot
wait they gave rogues dice?
spare dome
we r so funny, we are making pretty definitive statements based off pre alpha vi...
thats all we got
copper radish
We haven’t had cool daggers with an equip since shadowlands
keen belfry
thats all we got
its a skill to say "i have no clue whats going to happen"
mighty pivot
you don't need new daggers you already have the best daggers out there
copper radish
you don't need new daggers you already have the best daggers out there
DW I’ll get cooler recolors of those during legion remix
cinder relic
Well theres 3 possibilities, I wouldn't say its definitive either way
- It's either a transmog restriction removal
- Outlaw can use daggers in mainhand now (Which might be unviable either way like with fury/fdk in the past)
- They didn't even bother to swap to proper weapons for this small clip
I think the 3rd the least likely but
copper radish
I like the transmog restriction removal
long barn
Ks rework litteraly fucked everything up
It’s true.
spare dome
I think its 2
copper radish
Makes sense cause if we can mog the slot now instead of the items. Daggers should be moggable on swords
mighty pivot
our abilities no longer scale with weapon damage, so the weapon being a dagger or a sword would make no difference. It's all dps based
so I don't see how it would be not viable
stiff vector
you don't need new daggers you already have the best daggers out there
I wish I still had mine 
dont have my OG acc anymore from back in TBC that I played legion on and got some of the mage tower artifacts on
Id be rocking them perma
legit perfect dagger xmog, even sheathe on back
keen belfry
Well theres 3 possibilities, I wouldn't say its definitive either way
- It's ei...
im talkin about all of it, saying theres a 0% chance something happens (to rtb) because we saw it in a teaser for midnight (we havent even gotten alpha yet)
cinder relic
so I don't see how it would be not viable
Idk how it works with fury, or FDK for example, 1handers are totally unviable for fury, even if you can technically equip them, same goes for frost. Idk what they do atm, but for a long time, the opposite of what they were playing was totally unplayable
I forget if it was they played 2hand, and dual wield sucked, or the other way around
But I know 1 was good and the other was bad
mighty pivot
yeah but that's 2h vs 1h which have different dps
worldly shale
I forget if it was they played 2hand, and dual wield sucked, or the other way ar...
it was the other way around, frost played dw
copper radish
When is alpha releasing whose got the scoop
red zinc
tomorro 
cinder relic
im talkin about all of it, saying theres a 0% chance something happens (to rtb) ...
Well the 2 0% answers I was responding to was "Removing RTB" which I think would be weird after again, showing it in a trailer. And the 2nd thing was "turning RTB into a fully passive buff (like only CTO, no RTB cast type shit) again, based on the fact that it's in the trailer
Sure there is a non 0% chance either of these end up happening, it would just be extremely odd based on the trailers, and general history of the spec, idk
worldly shale
Well the 2 0% answers I was responding to was "Removing RTB" which I think would...
it would be cool if rtb was like fatebound now, like fucking dices going out
keen belfry
i dont think its likely either, but i wouldnt be surprised idk rtb seems like a relic of the poop past
worldly shale
btw
cinder relic
My money is on 0%
red zinc
i mean disregarding trailers, outlaw been a problem child so much I can see them taking some wild swings
cinder relic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J70RTBh_nwA
.
red zinc
more to do with subterfuge and bf than anything though
keen belfry
if youre gonna make us take 1fth to do aoe, u must give us something in return blizzard
yeah id really 2/3/6 for rolls
red zinc
personally think kir and gs would be the two buttons theyd address first
keen belfry
or like, everyt 7 ARs presseed you get a 100% 6 roll chance on next RTB
red zinc
(If they knew what they were doing)
keen belfry
yeah GS needs to go away
red zinc
maybe not the biggest guarantee anymore idk
copper radish
I just want 100% uptime on all 6 bones buffs is that too much to ask for
red zinc
I just want 100% uptime on all 6 bones buffs is that too much to ask for
No you dont
keen belfry
just give be BS baseline and im ok
if youre gonna make me play 1fth to do aoe
give me BS
red zinc
if u get dopamine all the time that shit gets saturated
covert kestrel
make all rolls cosmetic
red zinc
Aint gonna activate your brain anymore
stiff vector
Gs being a capstone that also happens to make you energy starved 50% of the time you press it is just...one of the many problematic talents in the tree, and its not even that bad
keen belfry
our tree would be a long way if you made PC baseline, and fixed GS
copper radish
I think we are well overdue for an outlaw mastery rework tbh
red zinc
every class has questing nodes that are practically useless i feel
Dont really think riposte is a major issue
stiff vector
thy really dont though
keen belfry
pc or fth would be sick to be baseline
copper radish
Either make MG worth my time to rock mastery or change it to something that revolves around CTO/RTB for our mastery
blazing creek
It would be nice if mastery mattered on outlaw in order to make switching specs less like playing/gearing a whole new character
stiff vector
most classes have had entirely useless waste of space(and also terrible for pathing) talents removed when their trees have been reworked(some, multiple times)
outlaw has MANY such talents
red zinc
if I want to bring anything to their attention it definitely isnt “please replace riposte”
Talents existence has no effect on anyone currently idk
stiff vector
actually
its really bad for pathing
because another very useles talent is below it
keen belfry
my genuine wish with apex talents was that we just get to put 2 points inour spec tree
id love that
cinder relic
It might be the case we do that
They said they want apex to be OP
So odds are we wont
keen belfry
yeah
cinder relic
But there will probably be a few specs that dont care for their apex talents
keen belfry
my goal isnt to take the points into our spec tree because apex tree is bad, i was genuinely hoping apex points were just 2 more points in our tree
chilly ember
wait Augmentation is now above Outlaw??
red zinc
depends in what regard i guess
cinder relic
I mean aug right now on the "Wcl statistics overwall 95th percentile" page, is better than most specs in the game
cinder relic
the WCL statistics page continues to be a very useless metric
red zinc
then why do they use it
cinder relic
Who does?
red zinc
lizzard
cinder relic
Do they?
keen belfry
theres no DIRECT proof but i mean
red zinc
The correlation between lowest specs on overall mythic data and balancing updates the week after is like
keen belfry
it kinda looks like they do xd
red zinc
90%+
cinder relic
Why didnt they buff enhanc then?
Or like, a lot of the actual bottom of WCL specs then
Where the assa buff, the ret buffs
copper radish
They could only pick 2 of the 3
fathom bramble
Stop saying this wtf
I mean it is what it is, like it or hate it kir is one of our only things that actually requires a weakaura to tell at a glance if you should press it
and in a discussion about what they might remove or adjust to reduce WA reliance it is relevant
fathom bramble
but honestly I think they are just talking about RTB and nothing will happen
the fix IS cooldown manager
vivid vessel
Even if it's almost irrelevant
fathom bramble
yeah if they fix all container bugs then you can just put your RTB buffs on the cooldown tracker or a WA with no logic and it's fine
vivid vessel
I wish kir just had better handling
keen belfry
we are speculating, just like you earlier based off your pre alpha rtb defintitive im so right im guy statements
cinder relic
we are speculating, just like you earlier based off your pre alpha rtb defintiti...
what?
vivid vessel
No weird shenanigans
glass mortar
Zac did u see my last idea for kir rework
vivid vessel
No
glass mortar
Delete all the container buff nonsense
fallen mural
Just make broadside permanent. Flow of outlaw would feel so good 🤩
vivid vessel
No container
red zinc
awang u good twin
glass mortar
Rework kir, it no longer adds duration to ur buffs. It freezes all your buffs for 30s and during that window you can only add duration/overwrite buffs with longer ones
vivid vessel
Without losing the locked buffs
glass mortar
Then they start ticking down again after 30s
cinder relic
I mean even if do think they just use overall WCL stats to balance, it's a bad way to balance
vivid vessel
Ye sure that sounds fine
cinder relic
It misses a lot of context that exists in the game
glass mortar
So basically the same extension
red zinc
Indeed
vivid vessel
Ye
vivid vessel
glass mortar
And cto procs stay