not just for classes but for content as a whole
#outlaw
indigo token
also even though its a lot of content
its kind of low quality
like did anyone do dastardly duos
fathom bramble
I think they need to not try and always have a thing going
dastardly duos could have been good, but like a lot of the recentish event stuff it was too low quality and low effort
it's okay to have a content gap where people can just work on old stuff or take a break
indigo token
yeah
fallen mural
Have you guys been trying the sleight of hand loaded dice combo?
indigo token
like thats what I like about final fantasy 14
there's gap periods where I can like
play other games
work on other things in the game
like 7.3, rn, doesnt have a raid
so I dont need to play
fathom bramble
right now it just means I skip these events to do other things
and never come back to them either
indigo token
but im playing anyway cause I wanna do the cosmic exploration stuff!
and im getting glam n stuff
i think they gotta slow the pace of the expansions
like its always nice getting new stuff
but id rather get really good content at a slower pace
than meh content really fast
like
from the start it was kinda dicey
the 20th anniversery was ok
but no one did blackrock depths
and that chromie event was fucking HORRIBLE
but siren isle was fun!
then season 2 it kind of wore on you
week after week you essentially got borrowed power again
delve belt, turbo boost, horrific visions revisited with the helm enchants
as someone who plays alts it's just not a particularly enticing prospect to have to do this
fathom bramble
I don't even really play alts so it was just a quick couple hour thing at most
one and done
dawn talon
it's okay to have a content gap where people can just work on old stuff or take ...
the thing is people complain REALLY loudly
random stirrup
idk most of these casual style content stuff just isn't designed for most of the people in this discord I would imagine
worldly pawn
Hi guys. Which trinkets should we be using right now? for M+ and for raid?
thin fiber
!gear
ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
sigil of the cosmic hunt is bis everywhere (with same ilvl), and then there are many close trinkets for the other slot
quaint mauve
i hate that we r getting a power decrease going into midnight
i like doing millions of
dmg
not 10
fathom bramble
I like that we are getting a squish going into midnight
I don't like the massively bloated numbers
quaint mauve
i get that it isn’t gonna change anything gameplay wise
ehhh
i like it in classic
but in retail it’s weird
grave carbon
Millions is too much
quaint mauve
i probably won’t care when it happens
fathom bramble
I just feel like doing millions of damage is the same thing with extra and annoying steps
quaint mauve
but it just looks better
fathom bramble
I would rather gain 200 dps instead of 200 thousand
though I understand the opposite perspective is basically equally valid
big number = cool
quaint mauve
big number = cool
for me it’s like
when i press a lot of buttons
i’d rather see a big number
than like press all of those buttons to do 500 dmg
yk?
fallen mural
sigil of the cosmic hunt is bis everywhere (with same ilvl), and then there are ...
Ty for the pinned comment about running sleight+loaded dice. Shit is amazing so far on target dummys
grim spear
It’s not really about whether it’s fun or not
the problem is that this system doesn’t actually capture the feeling of two specs being blended.
indigo token
is that what the intention was?
i figured it was just adding into the specs fantasy and feel
fathom bramble
the intention was to have more fantasies represented under 1 class
grim spear
this is no different from just tacking a few extra nodes onto the original spec trees.
outlaw’s Trick and subtlety’s Trick are totally different
grim spear
It’s even worse
fathom bramble
it's absolutely a good idea with good fantasy on some of the classes
lightsmith is very cool
grim spear
because Outlaw and Subtlety don’t really share much in common, Trick had to just make up an entirely new set of stuff and cram it in.
same as fb
they might as well have just extended the original talent trees
at least that wouldn’t have ended up adding another completely disconnected coin system on top of the already existing dice RNG, which just feels absurd.
indigo token
like
I enjoy the design idea behind fatebound
which is proccing effects based on combo points spent at once
which is what makes sleight of hand feel so cool during crackshot windows
fathom bramble
it be cooler if the theme was controlled fate instead of surrendering to it
indigo token
or when you get a lot of cp at once
indigo token
it be cooler if the theme was controlled fate instead of surrendering to it
maybe like...
a buff that works with uhuh
grim spear
If Fatebound replaced RTB with the coin, that would be awesome.
indigo token
idk
indigo token
If Fatebound replaced RTB with the coin, that would be awesome.
wait
sleight of hand with the coins
:kekshook:
fathom bramble
each Dice that matches when you cast Roll the Bones now explodes into 2 coins
grim spear
Hero talents are bloated, because they’re forced to look for commonalities
quaint mauve
grim spear
and when none exist, they just make things up.
fathom bramble
they really could have benefited from just having some nodes be completely different between 2 specs
indigo token
yeah
grim spear
so dumb that hero talents are shared between two specs.
indigo token
the thing is that I like that cause its options but if they're gonna be lazy about it
i'd rather they just make 1 hero tree really good
fathom bramble
like instead of trying to cram in a spell for us to trigger unseen blade with and landing on KS
grim spear
Because they’re shared, they can’t go in-depth
fathom bramble
make that node just generate unseen blades in another way
grim spear
they end up shallow and clumsy.
fathom bramble
or do something else entirely
grim spear
just remove all hero talent and this game will be better
indigo token
dont worry
grim spear
If some of the hero talent ideas are actually interesting, then just add them to the original talent trees.
indigo token
they're adding apex talents
that's totally gonna not require an entire expansion of iteration
fathom bramble
apex talents are an actually good idea
grim spear
yep
fathom bramble
they even have a fallback if they are fucked up for a spec
since you can put the ponts in other spots if you want to
indigo token
ig
idk like
im just worried for outlaw
i fell in love w the spec in season 2
and everything i learn about it we're just fucked
fathom bramble
I do wonder what they will stick our apex talents on
there's not a lot of room in our set in stone abilities to mess with things
without breaking something
fathom bramble
1 point: Killing spree lasts 100% longer, generates combo points instantly, and you can cast other abilities while it is active.
2 pointer: Killing spree and adrenaline rush gain 1/2 additional charges
1 point: Killing spree and adrenaline rush cause you to deal 10% increased damage for 20 seconds. Multiple application may overlap
raw ocean
1pt: enables combat aura tracking in WA
2pt: tells you when to rtb
3pt: tells you when to kir
fathom bramble
actually I wonder if the apex talents will stay away from talents that hero talents already mess with
need the alpha so bad
ripe ibex
1 point: Killing spree lasts 100% longer, generates combo points instantly, and ...
two charges of ar is super fried
already 100% uptime
does not deserve to have two charges
glass mortar
why not
would make it less punishing
without increasing dps all that much
would make it more flexible around downtime as well
glass mortar
it shouldnt be this punishing
fights like dimi shouldnt hardfuck you just because timings and rng dont work out
ripe ibex
i would be cool with half the cd half the duration
but 2 charges is just too much
especially with how much cdr outlaw has
torpid fiber
if it's already 100% uptime than two charges doesn't really matter though?
idk I think two adr charges works fine in the current state of the spec
glass mortar
two charges reduce how punishing it is, wouldnt increase dps all that much
reduce variance quite a bit probably tho which would be nice
stiff vector
you guys think its worth playing wound poison in first part of gambit or nah
fathom bramble
does not deserve to have two charges
First of all my suggestion gives it 3 charges. Secondly it definitely deserves to have them 100% uptime or not
Maybe not 3, but 2 would help us so much
2 charges barely moves the needle on overall uptime when playing well in ideal conditions
The idea is to let us actually play around the fights that currently gut us
torpid fiber
you guys think its worth playing wound poison in first part of gambit or nah
huh good idea
keen belfry
you guys think its worth playing wound poison in first part of gambit or nah
i do wound annd crippling, cant tell if worth tho
analog fog
yes its worth
raw ocean
wound also adds proc poison damage, just troll and use it all dungeon
ocean lodge
No, no, I like the idea, it's just the ones with bad playstyles I'd like to see adjusted.
Stuff like the mage hero talents, diabolist, and riders are just great i
stiff vector
i do wound annd crippling, cant tell if worth tho
ye same lol, I mean giga crippling is def nice but
midnight thorn
what would the wound poison be for in gambit
next thunder
shadow mauve
!macro
ornate heathBOT
Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.
torpid fiber
what would the wound poison be for in gambit
Murloc healing totems
Generally the bar for wound poison to be better than instant poison on a pull isn't super high
undone notch
Just did 6.8m avg in a 10 priory, feels awesome :)
torpid fiber
We actually even have a thread specifically for posting huge dps numbers in, #1184888068264689756
it's a time-honoured tradition dating back year
(Doesn't mean it's not also fine to post them here afaik)
fallen mural
What are you guys running for weapon enchants in M+? Currently im running double radiant power.
Im swapping to oathsworn + Radiant power, because it sims 0.4% higher with oathsworn on 8 target for 2 min and sims the same as double radiant on single target.
strong halo
How do people pug as outlaw, I sit in queues for hours and if I don’t have battle shout idk if it’s even worth the key vs playing sub
Like if I get a Druid warr in my keys I feel good if not it feels like I’m about to get giga gapped by frost dk
fallen mural
I put a movie on and q and then watch some of the movie then q some more haha
shy violet
How do people pug as outlaw, I sit in queues for hours and if I don’t have battl...
Currently mostly queuing as assa and changing back.
fathom bramble
sub gets a pretty similar value from druid/warr as we do so idk if that should really play into your decision that much
shy violet
assa is boring as fuck, but genuinely considering swapping permanently
strong halo
Isn’t sub like 40% magic dmg?
fathom bramble
currently I just only do 10s for the weekly and let my okay io/ilvl/raidprog get me
so I don't sit for hours
warrior is %attackpower and doesn't care if your damage is in the end magic or phys
just that you are an attack power class
which is everyone that isn't a caster
strong halo
Idk I guess it feels weird to me that I feel like I need buffs in m+ comps when classes like bm and dk just walk in and spank
Trying to finish my resil 15 is like 80% waiting in queue
fathom bramble
yeah I could never
sullen wyvern
guys
fathom bramble
I guess it's kind of not a real answer, but I just gave up
sullen wyvern
does anyone have a macro that focus your mosueover target and when you press it again you clear it?
strong halo
Yeah
sullen wyvern
if your mosue is not on top of something or course
if so can you please share plserino
brain too smol
strong halo
Not on pc but do you have one that focuses on mouse over? Copy and paste into chat gpt
fathom bramble
Idk I guess it feels weird to me that I feel like I need buffs in m+ comps when ...
it's just that these specs are actually good imo
strong halo
That’s how I did it
fathom bramble
we need buffs to do good damage, and they do great damage with buffs
torpid fiber
I assume you'd just cancel focus and then try to focus mouseover
strong halo
Yeah but he means in 1 macro, which I like the way it works for me
Mouse over something = focus mouse over nothing = clear
sullen wyvern
Not on pc but do you have one that focuses on mouse over? Copy and paste into ch...
chatgpt is goated
thank you mat
e
torpid fiber
Yeah but he means in 1 macro, which I like the way it works for me
Yeah I meant that
strong halo
we need buffs to do good damage, and they do great damage with buffs
I know it sucks but then it translates into pugging like, I’m never getting invited in a group with mage / lock. I have to aim for warriors it’s so annoying
torpid fiber
if you always cancel and then attempt to focus mouseover you should get the intended behaviour
uneven charm
I tried sub and assass, but they are simply not as fun as outlaw for me
strong halo
if you always cancel and then attempt to focus mouseover you should get the inte...
Not sure what you mean by cancel. Like clear focus?
torpid fiber
Yeah
strong halo
But then you need to bind clear focus
torpid fiber
Psuedocode
/clearfocus
/focus [@mouseover]
As one macro
(This won't work as is idt, I think the commands are wrong)
strong halo
Ahhh so one press focus one more press cancel? And it cycles?
torpid fiber
Either you're not mousing over something, in which case the focus fails and you just clear your focus, or you are mousing over something and you focus it
The concept in my head should be one press always
macros can run multiple commands
That's a lot of the point of them
strong halo
I see what you’re saying, it’s the same intended outcome
torpid fiber
that's how you can macro ghostly strike into other abilities
honestly I would be unsurprised if this is the macro you have, or something doing an equivalent
wintry gate
what if killing spree just worked like dreadblades? O_O
torpid fiber
you take 5% damage every tick?
wintry solar
would help between crackshot windows rn
vivid vessel
I won't have that much haste when I get the raid neck and raid ring
frail veldt
but mostly the you get full cps every generator
but KS does give you full cps
or youre just saying you wish KS was dreadblades
and it was a buff and not KS
literally listed 30 seconds ago
shits ridiculous haha
hardy thicket
Wdym
frail veldt
how many people apply to a single dps player listing a key
tanks and healers alike
do people just not list their keys?
like wtf
fallen mural
@vivid vessel how do you like running sleight of hand with loaded dice versus sleight of hand with theifs versatility?
for M+*
strong halo
literally listed 30 seconds ago
Reject all mages. It’s payback
strong halo
Sorry by payback I mean payback for bricking my keys
Prio 15 is hard to pig apparently I bricked it 4 times idk healers keep dying
stiff vector
ok I am like positive there is something fucking buggy or weird going on with BF, or its range. 1st pull of priory, im 5+ buffs for most of the entire pull, and Im literally just chain proccing ace like crazy with warr buff+monk buff+sham buff...look down at the meters and im doing like, 13m(which is basically what I do just hitting the 5t dummys in dornogal with 0 raid buffs) https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/64YXtvAm9ZryQckH?fight=21&pull=1&type=damage-done&start=27629931&end=27686058
keep in mind im sitting in the middle of the pack of like 15+ mobs
thin fiber
Prio 15 is hard to pig apparently I bricked it 4 times idk healers keep dying
to what? shields?
strong halo
Spear + clap combo on 1st pull, fire swirly + dots, and then yeah shields
Spear + slam combo happens so often
thin fiber
Spear + clap combo on 1st pull, fire swirly + dots, and then yeah shields
spear can be dodged by some classes, swirly - they r just bad at dodging, shields - real killers in high key if 4 or more pallies pulled
fluid iron
@vivid vessel think BM needs another buff
haughty wigeon
<@352916297262301194> think BM needs another buff
red zinc
Spear + clap combo on 1st pull, fire swirly + dots, and then yeah shields
Why pull this though
red zinc
I mean in fairness bm gets insane lust value AND during damage amp
still way too strong but
Its a snapshot including their strongest part of the fight
fluid iron
there is nothing fair about that dmg over 3:20
vivid vessel
<@352916297262301194> think BM needs another buff
Wait till you see them in keys, I don't get how this spec got buffed I'm ngl
Blizzard is so clueless
red zinc
Not like lizzard is going to do anythin about it
tender wedge
tuned for raid, keys not considered as per usual i assume
red zinc
they aint at the top of wcl overall stats or top logs
fluid iron
even if it was for raid
red zinc
(Outside of sally)
fluid iron
it was an insane buff
red zinc
I havent seen that many dimmy logs yet but I imagine this was an insane highroll
ocean lodge
Wait till you see them in keys, I don't get how this spec got buffed I'm ngl
buffing the mouthbreather specs because funni
tender wedge
meanwhile we live in 4% land i guess
vivid vessel
(Outside of sally)
Oh no the spec is only good on the only 2 relevant bosses ..
haughty wigeon
I feel like a spec like bm should never be top dps
thats a slippery slop
ocean lodge
it's slop alright
haughty wigeon
and probably best to forget that line of reasoning
tender wedge
yeah i don't agree with that
haughty wigeon
but
ocean lodge
In every category? I'd agree with it 100%
tender wedge
i don't think any spec should or shouldn't be top
red zinc
me mad because my spec that i chose worse than easier spec
haughty wigeon
bm getting buffed is insane
red zinc
haughty wigeon
mostly cause it was already strong af
red zinc
I mean it wasnt that strong in raid was it
ocean lodge
I am really questioning how outlaw hasn't gotten a buff
haughty wigeon
In every category? I'd agree with it 100%
nah its a silly concept cause every spec can suddenly become "the easiest spec"
and then you have your own logic working against you
ocean lodge
Eh, kinda but bm and ret have always been -that-.
red zinc
All they really had to do was tone down the dark ranger buffs slightly and leave out the aura buff
haughty wigeon
ultimately its better to not indulge spec difficulty based balancing as an idea
red zinc
and it wouldnt have affected keys at all
haughty wigeon
Eh, kinda but bm and ret have always been -that-.
not really tbh
ocean lodge
Yes really tbh, unless you go back to like classic where everyone else was just dumber by comparison.
haughty wigeon
ret has 0 skill ceiling so its strong at even level with other mouth breathers, thus giving the illusion of it being strong. dont get me wrong it is strong for the shitters. but it falls off when theres better players in the raid group
granted i will say ret has been off meta in keys since s3 of df
bm was just middling/strong since df start
just sleeper
ocean lodge
IDK about sleeper rather that hunters would rather play marks or surv
haughty wigeon
nah it was sleeper for awhile since its df revamp
red zinc
Every spec gets their time in the sun, difficulty shouldnt have much to do with it
Balancing methodology been questionable though
haughty wigeon
community perception is one hell of a drug, cause people still think hunter in general are made of paper
when in reality
vague cape
ret has 0 skill ceiling so its strong at even level with other mouth breathers, ...
the ceiling is like fairly low but there is some minor stuff you can do
to optimise
haughty wigeon
its extremely bulky
haughty wigeon
the ceiling is like fairly low but there is some minor stuff you can do
yes but no
its silly af
red zinc
In comparison to shadow priest maybe
vague cape
shit like fitting hammers into exec
red zinc
really aint that tanky
vague cape
i guess the thing seperating good from great rets is defensive, utility and positioning
fundamentals really
haughty wigeon
but ya that only happens if you press buttons correctly anyways
vague cape
nothing ret specific outside utility
haughty wigeon
not really a skill expression
red zinc
i guess the thing seperating good from great rets is defensive, utility and posi...
No its not pressing divine storm on useless shitter adds
Which 95% of them do
haughty wigeon
i guess the thing seperating good from great rets is defensive, utility and posi...
blizzard feels that way too
so my spec is doomed
to be like this forever
haughty wigeon
granted it is nice to get nice whispers when i press utility buttons...
vague cape
also highkey
haughty wigeon
i didnt think it was a problem but here we are
vague cape
I think the ret playerbase at large fucking sucks at pressing dps buttons right
vague cape
by far the easiest char I found to log on
haughty wigeon
fdk is gonna be the legion remix character
vague cape
boosted on it last season and first
red zinc
ima play bm
vague cape
fair, imo it shares some similarities to rret
haughty wigeon
that and prot
vague cape
reapers mark / exterminate somewhat mimics wake, breath is divine hammer, frostscythe is divine storm
haughty wigeon
breathe is better divine hammer
lets be real
do you play remorseless winter in raid?
vague cape
kekw
haughty wigeon
fuck me fdk really is dk ret isnt it.
vague cape
dw it was dumb to begin with, basically one of these in between cds that you get 1 use between cds
it was 45s pillar 20 winter
so even if you were slow a few globals it still lined dup
vague cape
disagree
haughty wigeon
man i hope there some sort of skill ceilin
vague cape
shit like remorseless winter is just
haughty wigeon
oh?
vague cape
stupid
whats the point
the button press does nothing immediately
other than whelp mastery
they just baked it in
honestly they need to do this more
otherwise you end up with rogue
litterally class is made in a way to piss everyone off
haughty wigeon
this one?
vague cape
never ever ever settle for this friction garbage they justify making horrible qol
haughty wigeon
ah
vague cape
people complained it pulled shit
vague cape
nah
haughty wigeon
not pillar procs winter
thats fine
if a cd procs a cool thing
its not fine to a cool thing to proc your cd
vague cape
but they're both cds xd
vague cape
also ideally every cd would feel good on immediate press
haughty wigeon
aoe button
vague cape
they stated they dont want there to be these press cd that do nothing and feel like setup
haughty wigeon
kk gotta go back to floodgate
prison*
i mean thats fine
they could have done somthing else tho for ret
but w/e
rotund zodiac
When ryu back, outlaw will get giga buff
wintry solar
He went to fdk and they got a rework
frail veldt
hes that fdk who loses to outlaw still
red zinc
That guy is everything i hate about wow players gameplay wise
Gets to an okay at a spec and then rerolls and starts the whole process over again
like just stick to something if you’re still not that good
ocean lodge
I like to switch season by season >.>
rotund zodiac
Sounds like 40% of my guildees
wintry solar
I have a handful of specs I play and keep playing
If they're somehow all bad then I just take the L
ocean lodge
I rotate my monk, mage, shaman, lock and rogue
ocean lodge
How many at once fully depending on free time lol
I dropped off outlaw for a bit but df s3 rework brought me back
Crackshot is crack
wintry solar
I've grown weary
rotund zodiac
I was sin believer but then the fast-paced got me hook like a meth
wintry solar
I’ve been playing only outlaw since SL S4
If we had as many options then I'd have done the same.
vivid vessel
So is sin bugged or just fixed to be worse
Bugged
cedar kernel
vivid vessel
Still better than outlaw tho
wintry solar
<:suskaygeagreegebusiness:1235378736480911451>
red zinc
Assa really got reverse outlaw’d
Wonder if theyd even be meta if those bugs were fixed
ocean lodge
Probably?
vivid vessel
Wonder if theyd even be meta if those bugs were fixed
Brother
It was the best spec in the game before legit
mint coyote
hey guys what do yall have thistle tea macroed to?
vivid vessel
These bugs are litteraly deserves nerfs
wintry solar
hey guys what do yall have thistle tea macroed to?
for outlaw Chief?
mint coyote
yes. if we ever take it
wintry solar
you dont macro it
mint coyote
im super new to outlaw. just putting together my buttons
oh ok whne do you usually pop it?
wintry solar
it pops on its own
mint coyote
or do you let it pop itself at low energy?
wintry solar
yeah
mint coyote
ok cuz sin has times where you want to pop it mb
wintry solar
they also have a good mastery and CDs to match
its just extra passive energy for us
cinder haven
But we kinda have no builds that take tea afaik
cinder haven
Popo is hoping for more energy starvation I see
wintry solar
I want downtime to be even worse and I want subt to be even more loaded
and and and
I want energy nerfed MORE
cinder haven
But if they take my idea of removing energy in favour of adrenaline
rotund zodiac
Remove energy
cinder haven
Then tea would give adrenaline charges?
wintry solar
that was my idea tob
rotund zodiac
Would be cool
wintry solar
Tea giving adr rush
cinder haven
Outlaw is fun
mint coyote
my stats are shot though
cinder haven
Fun, fast, hard and not very good right now
rotund zodiac
my stats are shot though
💀
wintry solar
almost got the haste though
cinder haven
With that mastery maybe worth taking some of the mastery talents
uneven charm
Outlaw is definitely the more engaging build
mint coyote
well im just doing my buttons and ui
cinder haven
But you’ll learn wrong patterns so maybe not
mint coyote
see
just kinda doing my bars with all the overlapping etc
just making sure i can swap between specs no issues
ignore the rupture still present. i like having a button in there instead of leaving it empty
vivid vessel
Well
You should track vanish up there
It's not a 2 min cd
It's more like 20s
Is this for pvp only or
mint coyote
this is for everything
vanish is in a spot where i can easily check it. but maybe i should bring it up
thanks for the help btw
wintry solar
dont pvp with it, Restless Blades is nerfed
wintry solar
vivid vessel
this is for everything
More si asking cause half the buttons you are tracking up there are kinda useless in pve
Gouge doesn't exist, smoke bomb, shiv, disarm
mint coyote
oh yee i agree
vivid vessel
Andyou wanna track vanish and ADR for outlaw it's important
mint coyote
i usually hide that bar when i pve
urban sun
Question, saw a weakaura that tracked if RtB buffs would be rerolled or not with different frames, yellow, red and blue.
Do we take into consideration this when we use RtB, or is it often used to more easily remember you have a free reroll after KiR or so? I have stucked with rerolling at <= 2 since going with Sleight but wondered if I need to take more into consideration 🤔
vague cape
!wa
ornate heathBOT
Class packs:
wintry solar
in my next week quest reward
I believe
buoyant cosmos
Is prism even that good after they fixed it?
Is that change recent?
mighty pivot
Go to bed popo
muted crest
Just saw this...
cinder haven
Is that change recent?
nah, was early in the season I think
it was not splitting the damage iirc
strong halo
Frost is like brain dead to play for 2x the outlaw output it’s depressing
Good ST and aoe
Maybe I’m misremembering but I swear this season the tuning is non existent, usually there’s an immediate update after RFW and 2-3 after
grim spear
As an outlaw, it’s really hard to accept that our st is this bad.
viscid perch
there is always 1-2 braindead spec that is giga op so the blue andys continue paying the sub
strong halo
As an outlaw, it’s really hard to accept that our st is this bad.
It’s just rough getting back to back sick rolls, great BTE procs and get absolutely slammed in ST when you look at meters
strong halo
No aura, it’s for Assas players
cinder haven
HO was working last season because of tier set allowing you to spam RTB with supercharger until you hit 5 buffs
you both got a lot of cdr and pretty good buff uptime
strong halo
NESSA would spam HO propaganda rn
vivid vessel
Nessa is cooked and delusional no cap
cinder haven
so maybe there is shit to find
vivid vessel
Ho 
cinder haven
but I cba
strong halo
Nessa is cooked and delusional no cap
We don’t know until the duel with Awang happens 😎
cinder haven
btw zac, are you still cancelling KS on 1FTH trickster?
strong halo
But like when do you cancel
cinder haven
I'm trying to figure that one out
strong halo
ASAP or get a few cp?
vivid vessel
Don't care the gainn
cinder haven
if you are ever going to not cancel, it seems like during bloodlust it is nice to let it complete
vivid vessel
I won't do it
viscid perch
imagine giving a spec a channeling spell where uptime is king
latent sundial
What time are they going to announce the Outlaw buffs for this week?
vivid vessel
I avoid supercharing it as well
cinder haven
like allow cancel if you are capped on vanish charges and BL is not up
proper veldt
I full channel but only cancel if I used coup before to not waste ff duration, or I’m over capped on vanish to not waste cdr
cinder haven
I full channel but only cancel if I used coup before to not waste ff duration, o...
interesting idea
buoyant cosmos
it was not splitting the damage iirc
Got it
vivid vessel
I mean you aren't wasting cdrr tho
strong halo
But if you are planning on canceling is it better to do it immediately just for the UB?
vivid vessel
You aren't pressing finishers
proper veldt
Yeah not Cdr
Just
1 second I guess on vanish
Idk it feels bad to sit on capped vanish
I just do it
cinder haven
it looks ok to cancel if you are capped on vanish
at least if you are more or less full on energy
kindred jacinth
heyho guys, im new to outlaw, do we have strong ST in m+?
cinder haven
we have the worst ST in m+ kinda
buoyant cosmos
heyho guys, im new to outlaw, do we have strong ST in m+?
No 🙂
daring oxide
you guys are just eternally cooking
vivid vessel
We have one of the worse st in the game
cinder haven
yes?
vivid vessel
daring oxide
i love it
cinder haven
would you like me to stop?
strong halo
What about situations where you have no vanish and BTE avail yet isn’t it better to full case then?
buoyant cosmos
If we have the blick why is our damage so bad 🙁
daring oxide
cooking is the only save we have from no buffs
buoyant cosmos
Just blasting the mobs
vivid vessel
daring oxide
find gains in every nook and cranny
proper veldt
daring oxide
dont stop
daring oxide
hmm
cinder haven
probably
daring oxide
zac relax please
vivid vessel
I only need 3 items
cinder haven
who else will take your stuff?
vivid vessel
who else will take your stuff?
Mostly uncontested
cinder haven
indeed
buoyant cosmos
I only need 3 items
Are you counting trash ring?
strong halo
Zac’s guild is made to gear him
cedar kernel
this thing is broken💀 why outlaw cant have this
cinder haven
he'll just buy the ring if it's the last item he needs I'm sure
daring oxide
may as well call it AdvanceZac
kindred jacinth
Just blasting the mobs
and in raid? is it skill dependend or are we general bad in st?
buoyant cosmos
he'll just buy the ring if it's the last item he needs I'm sure
For sure
buoyant cosmos
and in raid? is it skill dependend or are we general bad in st?
Fate bound is better but it's still not good
daring oxide
he'll just buy the ring if it's the last item he needs I'm sure
the ring is approximately 170 euros
zac will spend his hard earned french dollars on it
kindred jacinth
Fate bound is better but it's still not good
ty
cinder haven
does the twitch money cover it you think?
daring oxide
oh yeah
buoyant cosmos
does the twitch money cover it you think?
"R1 sales"
vivid vessel
Are you counting trash ring?
No cause I just buy that
vivid vessel
may as well call it AdvanceZac
I'm not in advance
strong halo
If viewers are like us: no subs, free wifi, ad block chads he can’t count on twitch money
ocean quartz
Any tips for soul hunters on outlaw? Started progress yesterday and kinda lost if we have to hold anything or just blast everything on cds until intermissions
cinder haven
bte thing
strong halo
Hard without a premade or community
vivid vessel
If viewers are like us: no subs, free wifi, ad block chads he can’t count on twi...
I make like 200/300 per month from twitch
cinder haven
so it covers the ring, nice
vivid vessel
Running the minimum ad allowed tho
buoyant cosmos
Hard without a premade or community
A friend joined one and we were part of his stack, made it a lot easier
cinder haven
no need to boost
buoyant cosmos
no need to boost
He does it for the love of the game
vivid vessel
As much as possible
cinder haven
what's real money anyway
vivid vessel
Also buying gold is such a waste I cba
Unless you buy it illegally you are getting omega ripped off
strong halo
I just calculate what my time is worth … I’m not spending 3 hours boosting people that’s time I can’t afford
buoyant cosmos
I just calculate what my time is worth … I’m not spending 3 hours boosting peopl...
Sell higher keys
5head
vivid vessel
I just calculate what my time is worth … I’m not spending 3 hours boosting peopl...
That's why I don't do coaching
I cba spending my free time to get money that I don't need
buoyant cosmos
That's why I don't do coaching
Don't waste unseen blade procs / BTE more than dispatch
Ez money
strong halo
Same, which is why I just rather spend real money then spend time earning gold
But I’m paid in USD not euros KEK
cinder haven
too bad avoiding wasting unseen blade procs is super fucking complicated
buoyant cosmos
too bad avoiding wasting unseen blade procs is super fucking complicated
They can figure it out
cinder haven
I don't think so
buoyant cosmos
But that's real
cinder haven
toxic design tbh
buoyant cosmos
Is it something coaching could really help with?
cinder haven
increase escalating blades cap now!
although, if they do increase the cap, I'm sure I can find a way to abuse that
strong halo
If you have 1st coup up with no UB stacks loaded do you build up before send with SS? Or same rule applies? Once Coup is procced you send and only build with non SS
buoyant cosmos
although, if they do increase the cap, I'm sure I can find a way to abuse that
And we love you for it
cinder haven
something something quadruple coup into vanish
did they ever fully resolve the delve quest gilded crest issue?
pretty sure I'm still missing those 15
proper veldt
did they ever fully resolve the delve quest gilded crest issue?
There was a wowhead post a while ago saying they fixed it
strong halo
I turned in when I was capped and quest allowed you to go over cap
torpid fiber
Is it something coaching could really help with?
Honestly I feel like if I ever wanted to look into getting outlaw coaching it'd be with the goal of getting advice on stuff like positioning and ways to deal with mechanics, rather than my rotation
worldly shale
Honestly I feel like if I ever wanted to look into getting outlaw coaching it'd ...
I would get coaching for irl stuff, how to make the misery of impending doom better
cinder haven
think I've used exactly 450 gilded crests
fluid meadow
i missed one upgreade cause of that, there was a week where u get the achievement after sending everything, but i still missed just 1 up
cinder haven
but maybe I have some stupid upgrade on an item I'm not using that I forgot
whatever, I'm not gonna waste brainpower on this
buoyant cosmos
Honestly I feel like if I ever wanted to look into getting outlaw coaching it'd ...
I think there's a WA that'll tell you how many mobs are in range
I'm too used to acro since I came back in July
So I need to get up in the packs better
cinder haven
if they had actually done what they promised and increase the hitbox sizes I wouldn't be so angry about losing acro
buoyant cosmos
if they had actually done what they promised and increase the hitbox sizes I wou...
Preach
cinder haven
but even in a completely new dungeon like eda some of the hitboxes are tiny
annoying when entire floor is painted pink
cinder haven
last boss is super tiny but it doesn't really matter there tbh
buoyant cosmos
I don't have a problem with her
cinder haven
maybe during the circles thing
otherwise it's just scary that you have to be standing basically in the visual of the mechanics
surely we get acro back in the midnight rework though
fluid meadow
sometimes when i saw some streams, i just realize how some frontals look like with full graphs, like there are lines not just obscured things like with my options
fluid meadow
my pc is a bit old don't know if i can set up highers
cinder haven
Hmm
But that should be working fine
Projected textures and particle density should be enough for mechanics
fluid meadow
yeah i see mechanics but like eda last boss big frontals has line at around where it is exactly but i don't see that just the obscured edges
frank flower
o/ looked around a bit but didn't find my answer so I'll ask here isntead. How do I sim stuff for outlaw? I come from mage and we only sim 5m1t and 5m5t, is that fine for rogue too? Is dungeon slice supported?
frank flower
So dungeon slice to sim for m+ and 5m1t for raid then? Many thanks
frank flower
sounds good
cinder haven
Our st is bad in m+
frank flower
not planning to do anything too crazy on my rogue so its okay
but i heard outlaw is having a rough time
praying that you guys get some love
cinder haven
fluid meadow
Projected textures and particle density should be enough for mechanics
i think the issue is that, dx11 lowers the performance a bit as far is i know, but dx12 is the freeze issue with older pc ( after months i finnally solved that at least and not freezing anymore)
vivid vessel
Wdym older pc
My pc is like
7800x3d and I still had these issues
But I did a diff fix I think that worked kinda
This
Helped
I had like big freezes and the game would half reload randomly
cinder haven
Does this fix discord freeze too?
fluid meadow
i can try this with dx12, but after change i don't get any freeze, so there are different problems and solutions maybe
cinder haven
Looks interesting
Comments seem to indicate it doesn’t really work?
Can’t we just turn off hw acceleration in discord?
vivid vessel
Does this fix discord freeze too?
Never had discord freezes
vivid vessel
Comments seem to indicate it doesn’t really work?
It def worked for me
cinder haven
I mostly get freezes when I tab between discord and wow
vivid vessel
I had these weirds freezes for 2 days and I got worried for a bit
Restarting computer didn't do shit
And then this fixed it
cinder haven
But if you run discord on a second screen you probably find have that issue
cinder haven
You wouldn’t be able to talk as much as you do if you didn’t
cinder haven
He can’t do same dps since he’s using single button rotation
Good at the game == able to press more than one key
red zinc
Youd be shocked at how much the average bm player still fucks up
I outdpsd one with 20 ilvls more
These people live in a whole other world
vivid vessel
cinder haven
tried turning off hw acceleration in discord instead for now
we'll see
I'm using firefox anyway which isn't chromium based I think
vivid vessel
Ye
mighty pivot
Yes it's not
mighty pivot
Navigator? You mean browser?
proven ocean
Fuck you zac
mighty pivot
Or Netscape Navigator
vivid vessel
Fuck you zac
Tf dude
jolly geyser
navigator
serene brook
wago link it bruh
tulip quarry
Spell density option is bugged , use this WA to fix the bug :
tulip quarry
You were not even born when navigator was a thing
You were not, i was
tulip quarry
On va se calmer par contre la, je suis au taff, je file juste une info, vous etes pas content allez la chercher 🙂
mighty pivot
You were not, i was
I was talking to Zac who is a turbozoomer. I used that shit
tulip quarry
XD
I cannot wago link, is blocked by my proxy at work
Though you should be able to find it easily by just typing Spell Density
mighty pivot
Didn't they promise they'd fix that two weeks ago? How difficult can it possibly be to fix?
mighty pivot
Literally setting the wrong cvar in their option panel
pastel cloud
if i have less then 18% haste should i play HO?
mighty pivot
Yes don't try kir with that
But if you're close you can flask or use the haste fibre
tulip quarry
Literally setting the wrong cvar in their option panel
Seems a little bit more cooked, seems that the game lost access to that Cvar from time to time ^^'
mighty pivot
I think the value resets to default on occasions. I don't remember exactly, I just made a wa that applies the cvar change on PLAYER_ENTERING_WORLD. I'll check later if that linked WA does anything extra
hasty warren
Hi pirates
frank flower
yarrrr
hasty warren
yarrr
frank bane
Yarr
red zinc
Good morning outlaw specialization chatroom
frank bane
Yo
mighty pivot
It's afternoon 
vivid vessel
Good morning outlaw specialization chatroom
Gm cuh
me hungry
unkempt nymph
its me again, about this weapon, if i've done two mm+ (pretty low key 8/9), one with crafted 720 weapons, and one with nightfall and crafted 720 sword.
I've got like similar overall dps on thoses keys, should i just keep my two crafted instead of running the nightfall ? or maybe i'm not using it well ?
gaunt phoenix
The weapon is like <2% dps so you won't really "notice" it
unkempt nymph
oh that's why
elfin mural
!gear
ornate heathBOT
gaunt phoenix
but generally you dont have to use cudgel
unkempt nymph
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/475024539693219850/1406175771495759952/...
that's a pretty nice thing !
gaunt phoenix
It's good but swapping is annoying
unkempt nymph
thank you guys, i will stick to my crafted one
wintry solar
Go to bed popo
Now what
lucid sparrow
are these stats terrible for outlaw? (food / vers flask r2)
gaunt phoenix
No, you just have a smidge too much haste
We want 19% haste and then it falls off harshly
lucid sparrow
i see, okay
gaunt phoenix
but it's not going to destroy your dmg
lucid sparrow
so im looking to lower haste, and maybe lower mastery?
gaunt phoenix
Yeah but it's also not that big of a deal
covert kestrel
lucid sparrow
Yeah but it's also not that big of a deal
ok ty
lucid sparrow
ty
gaunt phoenix
you use it for the opener and also vanish
elfin mural
```/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike```
it
can you explain the macro pls ?
i still play since DF with macro GS+BTE
gaunt phoenix
for fatebound, if you open with this macro you get 6 of both coins
cause of a bugged interation if you use AR+GS at the same time
elfin mural
for fatebound, if you open with this macro you get 6 of both coins
oh nice !
gaunt phoenix
but then also fatebound uses vanish into ghostly strike now
and sometime vanish into AR + GS if it lines up
so you can re-use this macro and press it after vanish
vivid vessel
@proven ocean 4.5 mil ring should I buy ..
strong cargo
I thought double crafted ring was the best, is it considering all items but Boe ?
frank finch
dont think we knew how these rings worked when that was made
frank finch
<@1172550924519080006> 4.5 mil ring should I buy ..
u must be lookin at the all vers ring
cuz the other opnes we like r way cheaper
stiff vector
ok I am like positive there is something fucking buggy or weird going on with BF...
@gaunt phoenix can you look at this and see if you think it looks weird? Cuz either BF has the worst range of any melees aoe, or the range is bugged or something is bugged idk. No way in hell should I have been doing that little dmg sitting literally on top of the pack hitting 8t w/ 5+ buffs for like the entire pull and proccing ace on like literally 50% of my BTEs
vivid vessel
Ye
mighty pivot
Zac is a vers junkie
frank finch
it does
mighty pivot
Vai has the tuning schedule
copper radish
Yeah sure that sounds good
One of these midnights by the time midnight launches.. right?
cinder haven
<@921608341048930304> can you look at this and see if you think it looks weird? ...
maybe the defend thing was up or something?
this looks a bit off ye?
stiff vector
maybe the defend thing was up or something?
I mean im sure one or two of the mobs had defend up for a second or two during the pull, thats normal..but I mean they didnt have it up for the entire pull, and doesnt seem like it effected the other DPS dmg
gaunt phoenix
stiff vector
ye i mean idk lol, like I know how much dmg I should be doing to 8t when I have warr+monk+Shaman buff and im 5+ buffed and hitting crazy ace procs because Ive seen it before. I know in past runs when thats happened Id be doing like 17-20m...but I was doing 13m, which is like what I would do on 5t with average rng
gaunt phoenix
with nimble flurry i think bf should be 54% here?
cinder haven
taking GS into account?
gaunt phoenix
ah
cinder haven
but this pack is funky with the defends as well
gaunt phoenix
that instance looks right then
slate forge
Does defend reduce prio dmg and then double dip into bf dmg?
cinder haven
it shouldn't
cinder haven
cinder haven
should be right
stiff vector
on the plus side look at that ST https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/64YXtvAm9ZryQckH?fight=21&pull=6&type=damage-done
tfw hyped to do over 4m ST when I can do like 5m ST on my 704 hunter 
gaunt phoenix
not sure about this one
cinder haven
high rolled egg stacks I Think
slate forge
should be right
Just seems like the monk and warrior weren’t as effected in there dps
cinder haven
idk, defend seems like the easiest explanation unless other pulls were also affected
hmm, nah egg stacks was normal
45% defend uptime is for sure more than normal on that pull though
probably all aoe stops used for the first few or something
slate forge
So since some of the ranged mobs probably wernt in defend the fury and monks aoe wouldn’t get reduced but since we’re cleaving off mini boss it’s always going to get defend most time
stiff vector
I mean how would their dmg not be effected tho
gaunt phoenix
SS flurry seems off maybe?
stiff vector
unless they just have bigger ranges on their aoe?
which I swear to god, half the melee in the game seem to have way better range on their aoe compared to BF
gaunt phoenix
this is long before defend
cinder haven
our dps can get eaten by defend if all our 8 targets are in circle
yeah that SS (if it actually is the SS) does look off
stiff vector
like when Im trying to hit Avanox adds while targetting the boss, its super hard to actually do so sometimes...yet I see Havoc/fdk etc. hitting all the mobs with no problem
cinder haven
37% BF?
unless the knight is somehow in defend and none of the footmen are
but that seems impossible
gaunt phoenix
Defend wasnt until 45s or something
stiff vector
im telling you ive been suspicious of something being fucky with BF for a few weeks now
frank finch
oh no
stiff vector
blizzard cannot be trusted
frank finch
what now
torpid fiber
what the hell could the bug even be
cinder haven
you were really unlucky with BTE crits also I think
only 64% crit
normally it's at least 80%
maybe no RP?
51% uptime on RP hmm
here is normal damage distribution on BTE for that pull from a good log
here's you
305k BTE crit?
mighty pivot
low combo point
stiff vector
I think I only had RP up for like first half othe pull
idk could have like lagged and hit a low cp bte by accident or something I guess but idr
cinder haven
probably something like that
cinder haven
let's find another bug and force a buff
stiff vector
either way, all hands on deck boys...be hyper critical of your BF dmg, be paranoid that every pull its doing something bugged. Its the only way well get buffed
it worked last season 
vivid vessel
No we wait for the buff first
cinder haven
I'd rather troubleshoot a pull without defend in it though
vivid vessel
Then force a bug fix
hasty warren
finding a bug on outlaw is not the hardest thing to do
slate forge
Class is yellow you get no buffs or bug fixes just sadness
stiff vector
thats not true
sometimes they fix bugs
but only if its because its a dps gain
dps loss? No bug fix for 3 years
cinder haven
if we do bad dps, it's bugs. If we do good dps, it's bugs
stiff vector
its just a feature of yellow class
hasty warren
if we do bad dps, it's bugs. If we do good dps, it's bugs
real
remember cringe bug abuse for infinite cp ?
torpid fiber
if we do bad dps, it's bugs. If we do good dps, it's bugs
They should make us spider themed
cinder haven
today I had someone ask what class yellow colour is
cedar kernel
cinder haven
also baffled afterwards when yellow was on top
wintry solar
if we do bad dps, it's bugs. If we do good dps, it's bugs
Outlaw is actually getting a full rework from the ground up so there won't be any bugs.
torpid fiber
Outlaw is actually getting a full rework from the ground up so there won't be an...
damn
vivid vessel
Outlaw is actually getting a full rework from the ground up so there won't be an...
That's funny you say that
torpid fiber
I'll miss the bugs. They're friends at this point.
vivid vessel
Cause everytime we get big changes
cinder haven
very funny comment indeed
cinder haven
but I assume this was an intended joke
vivid vessel
And then it takes 2 expac to fix it again
wintry solar
This is from the ground up. An actual rework and not a talent revamp.