outlaw

[glass mortar]

solo i think blizzard wants me to take pants

[cinder relic]

Ive ran leech all expac

It feels legit just better other than insane end push key type shit

[cinder haven]

Yeah it probably is a bit better in most content, but also probably doesn’t matter much

[cinder relic]

Having reliable and consistent healing is nice

[cinder haven]

There’s a lot of rot damage this season

And it is probably here to stay

If they want healers healing in keys

[cinder relic]

To me it's just avoidance works on some things while leech works on everything

[buoyant cosmos]

Went and read it, ty

[glass mortar]

to me it was always that avoidance works on the same stuff feint works at maximum value on and like, if u need more aoe dr then feint can give u for hits to not 1 shot im not sure how any other class is living those hits consitently

[hoary wave]

!haste

[ornate heath]

A properly geared Outlaw's stat volume will look like Vers > Haste* > Crit > Mastery.

*But Haste has a **requirement ** because Adrenaline Rush scales your GCD based on haste, up to 25%.

The KIR build wants ~19% haste from rating, so it becomes 25% after Alacrity. 18% or 20% is close enough and not a problem. Don't play KIR with lower than 18% haste.

The HO build gets Take 'em by Surprise, so its haste requirement is technically ~9%., but it continues to want haste just for energy. You will likely optimize towards 14-18% haste, not a strict number, just sim.

You need to use Raidbots Top Gear to determine what haste pieces to use. You can also get ~4.2% haste from a flask. This can be equal or better than Vers flask if you need it for either build.

[graceful coral]

when we have enough haste, mastery is than > haste ?

[tall island]

unless you're playing the old HO build still I think yeah

[cinder haven]

Yeah but we generally try to avoid mastery as much as possible

We are forced into some from tier set and wrap boosting boots

If you are at haste cap mastery will best haste, but you typically want to rearrange the gear in some way so that you end up on 19% haste with as little mastery as possible and vers on as many pieces as possible

[ocean lodge]

I hated that so much in s1, how they nuked tanks and made everything hit hard to appease bad healers, lol

The guys who get mad at the very idea of pressing lava burst occasionally

[cinder haven]

The other extreme that we had before was worse imo

When ”everything” was either avoidable or one shot outside of a few dedicated healer mechanics

[agile orchid]

healing was fun during shadowlands

but they had to listen to 0.1% healers and ruin the role

[quaint mauve]

gambit timer is so free

lol

first area is hell though imo

[agile orchid]

is it though

[muted crest]

we just do no damage on that area whatev

[quaint mauve]

we missed cc wiped in first area

wiped on second boss

and still timed with 2 minutes left

on a 15

[quaint mauve]

that’s whatever but i hate how they run around

and how tight the packs r next to each other

[twilit rivet]

just put crippling poison on for the first area, sshould make it less tedious

[fallen mural]

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/15ZNNoQRq7/?mibextid=wwXIfr

when you see an outlaw you ASK to pass them 😛

[tulip quarry]

Seems that harrasing blizzard for class buff worked for both Paladin, Hunt and Bommies

Don't we want to do the same at some point ? XD

[tender wedge]

rather be undertuned than cringe tbh

[tulip quarry]

We are not under, we are worst than that, so personaly rather be cringe that dead XD

[wintry solar]

Harassing blizzard didn't get ret buffed

Idk what people are huffing in order to believe that

[quiet root]

easy thing to believe when the timeline happened like it did

[tender wedge]

just low info people wanting to feel justified in their powerless anger

[wintry solar]

Sure but this early in a patch there's gonna be tuning.

[tulip quarry]

If thinking that make you feel justified XD

[tender wedge]

and powerless 😭

[hoary wharf]

is anyone else able to get the tricks WA macro working? mine just does nothing

[quaint mauve]

i love you guys

this spec

is the reason

i haven’t quit wow

[trim hound]

real

[worldly shale]

works fine for me

did u copy the macro?

[wintry gate]

survival hunter is basically what outlaw should have been

somehow one class gets 3 specs that pump, fucking dumb

[worldly shale]

werent u the guy that said im not cool

thats not cool

do u not love me too?

do i not deserve love of hml5?

[quaint mauve]

i was only joking 😓

every outlaw rogue gets my love

[worldly shale]

break a plate

and say u were joking

does it get fixed

[hoary wharf]

yeah:
#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click AutoTankMisdirect leftbutton 1
/click AutoTankMisdirect

[solemn drift]

Make sure you actually have tricks talented

[worldly shale]

#showtooltip Tricks of the Trade
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 1
/click SmartMisdirect LeftButton 0

this is for the wa i have

from zac

https://wago.io/kQ2LnX4zP

[honest sparrow]

ran a few weekly dungeons as outlaw and was about to flame my priest mate for giving me pi but somehow pi just bugged out and both i and the warlock got it at the same time

[hoary wharf]

ok thanks i'll try this

[coral onyx]

wish we had our extended melee range still

now half the time I have to check if my mouse over kick actually kicks the target

[hearty lagoon]

is cudgel swapping not worth if you have 2x 720 weaps ? or we still weapon swapping ?

[quaint mauve]

IM SORRH

SORRY

[cinder haven]

kinda worth still

but maybe not a big deal

stopped doing it myself

[worldly shale]

[indigo token]

i think they're waiting for an outlaw dimmy kill to tune us which

is fucking stupid

[worldly shale]

When is tww gonna be soloable

Thats when we will get outlaw dimmy kills

[quaint mauve]

please forgive me 😕

[torpid fiber]

I did a key yesterday where the priest whispered me to tell me I was their PI target, I said "pls don't it's shit dps" and then they did it anyways bc I think they didn't realise just how bad it was and I was top dps

[agile orchid]

I hope they are not going to do a boomie situation

Where in an interview they said boomie is extremely strong because look at their damage on stix!

I could see them having the same logic on soul hunters

[cinder haven]

Look you were top 3 on one fight!

Stop complaining

[civic zephyr]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/zTkvqW8RZQ7xpMJr?fight=last&type=casts&source=3 -- anyone able to figure out why im not getting 90 cpm and only 75? or maybe why my AR uptime is low? --- i know im probably doing something rotationaly incorrect, just trying to find out what it is

[jade abyss]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[sharp jackal]

[worldly shale]

[torpid fiber]

Living up to their name

[old gull]

OUTLAW!!!!

[worldly shale]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413245732118593606/image.gif

[fickle tendon]

just went back from a 2 month break and equipped my outlaw. am i forced to switch to sub or assa? 🙁 just got 711 ilvl today

[inland acorn]

because logs, track time outside of combat too, where you're not casting anything

[sharp jackal]

190th was the invite! Guess its time for my own key after

[tulip quarry]

Which key level ?

[sharp jackal]

15

[covert kestrel]

Don't have to do anything but depends on what you want to do

[tulip quarry]

K, i have a hard time to be invited in 16s

3k3 Rio seems to not be enough lol

[old gull]

i do cloe to 7 mill overall i just wanna get this 3k done, but i am in a decline simulator

and im crushing it

i am the best at getting declined

[sharp jackal]

190 in a row?

[old gull]

no clue, but 3 hours last night got into 1 group that disbanded immediately

then finally finished a 12 eco

[sharp jackal]

i am so ready for this, must feel way better than in 15 lol

[dense bolt]

how do i sim dawrf etc

[glass mortar]

if u search in here im sure u can find the advanced sim string to do it but theres no default way in raidbots

[inland acorn]

2nd pin in #tc-research

[civic zephyr]

can you tell how much time was spent in and outside of combat in logs? i feel like im always 2 mil dps under zac

[subtle field]

do I ideally wanna use both my coup stacks before entering a crackshot window?

[civic zephyr]

yes

unless adr is about to fall off

[subtle field]

yeah ofc. I also see zac use the 2nd coup at very low cp, is there a reason for that?

[civic zephyr]

yes, so you dont spend a stack of unseen blade trying to build with sinister strike

like youd build with opportunity, blade flurry if applicable, but if not then you spend at low CP

[subtle field]

that makes great sense.

[junior coral]

If second coup is ticking down and you vanish by mistake, do you send it or just bte spam

[civic zephyr]

BTE spam, in a crackshot window, i was told ignore coup de grace, at least think that makes the most sense too

[blissful zinc]

guys is there a WA for KS

so i dont cancel it by mistake

nvm

found it

[hasty warren]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/316923682607857685/1413242281515024545/image.gif

[red zinc]

Yoo wait they were teasing the next expansion this whole expansion? How did we not see this?

[jolly geyser]

[worldly sinew]

By this logic.. does this mean...?
Part 3??

[jolly geyser]

[hearty lagoon]

how much more dps% with 4set, compared to 2set ?

[gaunt phoenix]

~10% for trickster

[hearty lagoon]

ggs

[glass mortar]

thats why trickster didnt generally swap off last seasons 4set until u had this ones

fatebound was smaller for 4set because 2set was so large

[radiant vessel]

is there a part of the FAQ that tells you how to open on dimensius again? i'm sure solo said you break stealth with the macro before you go over

but just wanted to be sure

[gaunt phoenix]

you /cancelaura stealth (and nothing else) right before the portal, then open with macro

[radiant vessel]

ah i see

[slate forge]

Does pressing bf do the same thing or no?

[zealous plinth]

What’s the gain in cancelaura than just taking Portal?

[gaunt phoenix]

for some reason if you let the portal break stealth then the macro doesnt give 6 coins

[gaunt phoenix]

maybe

[zealous plinth]

Ah ok

[junior coral]

I really only play rogue, mess around with DH and mage at a decent lvl depending on season but never deep dive the way I do rogue, well in the past atleast bc I have little time now… all that to say/ask, do other classes have as many weird interactions/bugs or oversights as rogue does? I feel like rogue just always has so many weird things, I only ever find out from discord. Bugsssss

[gaunt phoenix]

no idea

I know nothing outside of outlaw

[craggy barn]

oh wait u have to cancel aura before portal on dimmy

what

gdi

thank god i dont have to see that fight for another few months or so

[cinder relic]

A lot of other classes have annoying quirks and bugs yes

Maybe not as many as rogue at this point in time, but other classes aren't exactly clean and bug free and people imagine

[craggy barn]

like rn DHs have to maintain cycle stacks prekey

blasting eye beam for like a minute

[cinder relic]

IIRC shadow priests main way of spreading dots is shadow crash atm, and it just doesn't work on slopes and also sometimes just doesn't work at all

[craggy barn]

and DH's cant zone out to summon or have to do it all over again

[cinder haven]

My spriest buddy likes to complain about shadow crash

Especially indoors

[craggy barn]

every floor placement spell during certain boss fights

totems and dnd on the ceiling

[glass mortar]

theres a targeted version of it now iirc

but its still a nightmare in keys like eco

[cinder relic]

Bm hunters tier set based on pack leader requires the targets to be preciciely positioned otherwise you get no cleave, and also slopes cause the same issue

[glass mortar]

where half the dungeon rando teleports out of the pack

[craggy barn]

BM DR withering fire just shoots at random targets during last boss ara kara

like the random mobs running around that drop the puddles

tho i havent tested that since the buff

[glass mortar]

i think bm was saved from the PL tier set mandness by DR buffs

pretty sure its bis everywhere now

[jolly geyser]

Whats the least buggy class?

[glass mortar]

but DR has some bugs

[craggy barn]

is it m+ bis? i was under the impression ud still want PL

[gaunt phoenix]

Outlaw has coin jank but that's about it for meaningful bugs

[craggy barn]

no multi shot PL

unles u need more prio damage with DR bc comp needs

[cinder relic]

Ret paladin has the same "anti funnel" stuff that fatebound has with divine hammers

Where it just gets fired to random targets, including immune ones like on mugzee/gally

[frail veldt]

its so bad bro

shadow crash is a mess

IT DOESNT EVEN PRIO UNDOTTED TARGETS

so if you crash a pack of 15 mobs

[jolly geyser]

[frail veldt]

twice

you might just apply dots

[craggy barn]

no smart dotting? ew

[frail veldt]

TO THE SMAE TARGETS

NO

[cinder relic]

I feel like fury or arms

[frail veldt]

holy fuck what a complete an absolute failure of an ability

honestly

[gaunt phoenix]

lmao

[frail veldt]

shadow crash is a complete joke

[jolly geyser]

[cinder relic]

Fury is fun rn too

It's like how I wish outlaw was

[frail veldt]

whoa

that explains

so much

[craggy barn]

woah guy not again

[cinder relic]

Wdym

[frail veldt]

nothing ill stop there I gotta go get lunch

[craggy barn]

we're losing our guide writer to a plate clas again guys

[frail veldt]

byyyyyyye

[craggy barn]

[gaunt phoenix]

fury is cool

[cinder relic]

We just require an alt in guild

Lol

[jolly geyser]

Make outlaw like fury but with like 2 more things

[cinder relic]

Playing mirrors is lame

[craggy barn]

ye i get that

[cinder relic]

Playing alts gives me perspective

[craggy barn]

my alt in my 2nd guild is a bm hunter bc we dont have ranged players

last season it was a dk

well ranged hunter, not just bm

cant play surv bc litearlly 10 melee vs 5 ranged

[jolly geyser]

I like doing keys on ret,can even talk on voice

[keen belfry]

It legit gives me perspective as to how cringe outlaw is, but i love the spec so oh well

[red zinc]

naw outlaw still more fun

[craggy barn]

bro my m+ group, i was playing rogue for a bit, then we went and did a 15 gambit with me on bm, and it went so much faster

im fucking pissed

[red zinc]

dont let big warrior convince you its fun

[dawn talon]

dude i play mage and im smiling at the end of 7 hours of keys

[red zinc]

outlaw >>>>

[dawn talon]

i play 2 outlaw keys and im malding

[craggy barn]

my m+ comp rn is scuffed

for rogue

[keen belfry]

Yeah my seasons of playing mage and shaman gave me insight of good class designs

Going from stormbringer to fatebound

Crazy stuff

[dawn talon]

or playing feral

[craggy barn]

prot war fdk dh rogue/hunter resto sham

[grim spear]

arcane is too good

[dawn talon]

i play a bunch of fire keys aswell

and fire is fucking terrible

[keen belfry]

Ain’t this a meta comp

[grim spear]

feral is dogshit

[craggy barn]

its scuffed for me bro

[dawn talon]

feral is pretty good

[craggy barn]

its either a dh or a farole

[grim spear]

no

[craggy barn]

as well

[keen belfry]

Play sub in that comp sounds like a giga comp

[craggy barn]

our farole is not around atm

i do sometimes

i like to mix things up

i try to force outlaw here but its so bad

and sub sometimes feels like too much prio damage

[keen belfry]

Law without 3/4 raid buffs is gg

4/4 pref

[craggy barn]

ye

[dawn talon]

dude i get this

[craggy barn]

bro i delete mobs sometimes its crazy

[dawn talon]

it's just key too low tho

i think

[craggy barn]

yea

[grim spear]

Feral is even worse than Outlaw in raids

[keen belfry]

How is sub too much prio

[grim spear]

being a melee spec without cleave is just absurd.

[junior sierra]

it's not

[keen belfry]

Yeah I don’t think it is

[fathom bramble]

you can choose to spread out your prio by swapping targets

[craggy barn]

its for sure not lol

i said feels for a reason

[keen belfry]

I’m confused

[craggy barn]

eat a persim berry

[keen belfry]

Eating

[vivid vessel]

hm

feral is quite good this tier

idk hwat you mean

most guilds will have a feral

[craggy barn]

farole does huge boss dam

[grim spear]

pretty good st

[craggy barn]

zac

u done araz as outlaw?

[grim spear]

but only pure st

[vivid vessel]

no im reclearing monday

[craggy barn]

as law?

[vivid vessel]

well ye

till dimensuis

[craggy barn]

do yall do push strat or behind

[vivid vessel]

i will do dimmy the week after prolly

we go behind

we did push on prog

but its hard

[craggy barn]

yea

[vivid vessel]

easy to mess up

[craggy barn]

do u know if can grapple over?

[jolly geyser]

close to kill or?

[vivid vessel]

idk

[uncut stratus]

anybody know any WA or addon that disables all of xalatath's voice lines in keys?

[vivid vessel]

actually something i asked myself

@fathom bramble

can you grpaple over the puddle on araz

the one you put adds behind

[fathom bramble]

maybe

I don't think it ticks instantly

[vivid vessel]

@near rock

surely someone does it

[craggy barn]

surely

[vivid vessel]

i havent done the boss as outlaw yet

[craggy barn]

i was gonna try it

[vivid vessel]

or have I

i think i have actually but we did the push strat

[fathom bramble]

we did push strat so I never bothered checking if I could just grapple through

[vivid vessel]

not behind

i dont rmember

[craggy barn]

switching to behind strat fucked wiht all my sub timings

[vivid vessel]

ye it sucks for sub

getting it mid cd

eta gg

[craggy barn]

lot of shadowstepping nonsense happening

on track to getting 95+ parse if i dont ever fuck up

having 0 agency on the pillars is funny af tho

[main stratus]

any1 have spreadsheet for tier dps gain`? cant find an up to date one

[shy meteor]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[torpid heath]

Yes

[keen belfry]

Are the ravenholdt icon weapons daggers or swords

[frail veldt]

swords for sure

handle to blade ratio is def too high to be a dagger

[vivid vessel]

sowrds

[keen belfry]

Shutup

[frail veldt]

or its like the most giant dagger ever

[keen belfry]

But Ty

[vivid vessel]

awang

you absolute baboon

[frail veldt]

also daggers usually have a pointed end right?

[vivid vessel]

its swords

[frail veldt]

this is shaped more like a scimitar

for slashing not stabbing

or like a funky cutlass

[keen belfry]

You’re such an idiot no cap not flaming tho but not lying

[vivid vessel]

no you

[frail veldt]

honestly wang such a dumb question

does this guy even play rogue?

imposter

[keen belfry]

I wanted to complain they didn’t represent outlaw rogues

But I’ll go do that in sub and assa

[frail veldt]

LOL

[stuck sparrow]

wasnt the concept made

[fathom bramble]

I'm pretty sure these are daggers

[stuck sparrow]

when it was basically wannabe leather fury warrior

[fathom bramble]

and the discord icon is cutting off half the handle

[vivid vessel]

guys

[keen belfry]

Ooo so I can complain here?

[vivid vessel]

stop acting dumb

they are swords

[frail veldt]

???

[stuck sparrow]

Tbh when you tell someone a rogue class in an rpg

[frail veldt]

thats not a dagger what

[stuck sparrow]

who thinks of swords

[vivid vessel]

its swords

lok is just acting crazy rn

[frail veldt]

daggers have pointed ends

[fathom bramble]

the handle is 1/3rd of the entire length of the weapon

[frail veldt]

lok youre fried

so?

[fathom bramble]

a 1 handed sword is like 15% handle

[frail veldt]

thats not true

at all

[stuck sparrow]

Honestly 90% of wow daggers

dont look suitable

to stab

[daring oxide]

hows it going guys

[frail veldt]

scimitar

[daring oxide]

everyone happy?

[vivid vessel]

chat gpt confirmed it

they are swords

[frail veldt]

thats a longsword

dummy

LITERALLY

a scimitar

[vivid vessel]

proved here

AI never lies so

[frail veldt]

its also literally the shape of a scimitar

[daring oxide]

these are just scimidaggers

[frail veldt]

with the extra hook

[keen belfry]

Ok where can I. Complain

[daring oxide]

similar to

the nepalese dagger

whats it called

no its not

[frail veldt]

its a parrying hook

[daring oxide]

nvm

[keen belfry]

What’s the official answer team

[frail veldt]

sword...

1000%

[vivid vessel]

swords ..

[worldly shale]

did u just gaslight chatgpt

[daring oxide]

knives

[vivid vessel]

yep

[daring oxide]

..

[vivid vessel]

thats how you do it

[frail veldt]

chatgpt will agree with you if you gaslight it hard enough

no matter what lol

[daring oxide]

SURE

BUT I CANT GET CHATGPT TO COUNT TO ONE MILLION

LAZY CLANKER

[frail veldt]

You can

people are just dumb

[daring oxide]

ok try

in voice mode

record it and share here

[worldly shale]

Outlaw isn’t consistent—it’s volatile chaos. Some pulls I’m a slot machine jackpot, others I’m a half-drunk raccoon with guns, but either way, I’m still carrying harder than your “meta comp.” You want reliability? Go play Arcane Mage and spreadsheet yourself to sleep. You want style? You want raw pirate energy? You want to turn Mythic+ into a Vegas nightclub with zero fire code compliance? That’s me. That’s Outlaw.

[frail veldt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRHeo9Q9EGA

just dont be an idiot

[daring oxide]

no

[worldly shale]

XD

[daring oxide]

ask Chatgpt

[worldly shale]

XDDD

XDD

[daring oxide]

to count to one million

[frail veldt]

why

just dont be an idiotp

this is the same result

[daring oxide]

its supposed to follow instructions

nooba

[frail veldt]

its someone counting to a million

no its a language model

[daring oxide]

what a noob model

[frail veldt]

that predicts what answer you want

[daring oxide]

didnt predict what i want then

ye

[frail veldt]

well you asked a shit question rofl

I got the reuslt you wanted

with a better question

[daring oxide]

dont care

[frail veldt]

ggs

[daring oxide]

i want chatgpt lovely voice counting to one mil

[daring oxide]

you gaslight me, avoided the original question and gave me the wrong answer

[frail veldt]

You could have it generate text for 1 to a million into a csv and then have it set up a program that does TTS

[daring oxide]

you should of said:

[frail veldt]

and then just put in that csv

like if you reaaaally wanted it

and if anything

what you want

[daring oxide]

You can't make chatgpt count to one million because of safeguards, but it will avoid the task and recommend you a video instead

[frail veldt]

is it to fail

[daring oxide]

not that hard nooba

[frail veldt]

youre asking it to count to a million

so that you see it fail

and guess what

it knows that and fails

just for you

😉

[daring oxide]

nooba

[frail veldt]

gave you the answer you wanted

bot smarter than you

[glass mortar]

VAI NO WHERED THE YELLOW NAME GO

[daring oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-crazy-cat-zoomies-gif-9877358298643393466

[daring oxide]

it comes back when outlaw is saved

[frail veldt]

what does teal even mean

[glass mortar]

our number 1 hoper

has given up

its so over

[daring oxide]

kinda

[craggy quiver]

@daring oxide not like this

[daring oxide]

maybe ill have a change of heart next reset

[craggy quiver]

If you don't believe who will

We so down

[glass mortar]

bro if those wcl botes go thru

[daring oxide]

you and weran can continue the hope and faith

[glass mortar]

outlaw is going to drop like a brick

in mythic overall

xd

and its not exactly high rn

[worldly shale]

cant wait

[glass mortar]

cant wait

[worldly shale]

LOL

[daring oxide]

doesn't matter

[worldly shale]

JINXIES

[daring oxide]

the evidence is already there

in boss damage

[glass mortar]

we r dead last by like 5% rn on boss damage overall

[daring oxide]

blizzard just don't like us

[glass mortar]

and theres no logs of our worst bosses

[daring oxide]

cos zac made realz hate us

[glass mortar]

🫡

[worldly shale]

zac should hold damage

so the real numbers

[glass mortar]

he doesnt even need to

[worldly shale]

come out

[vivid vessel]

im litteraly bottom overall in my phys comp

[glass mortar]

he can game out of his life and we will still look bad on dimi

xd

[vivid vessel]

and im 4ilvl

above

[frail veldt]

zacs doing his job

[vivid vessel]

the 2 other guys

btw

[frail veldt]

being last

[worldly shale]

zac when dimi outlaw stream

[frail veldt]

every key

almost losing to tank

[fathom bramble]

also not bringing a buff to boost the damage of everyone else in the phys comp

[vivid vessel]

yep

[fathom bramble]

so if you think about it you are even lower than it appears

[vivid vessel]

and having the worse damage profile by a mile

[glass mortar]

if ur not worth buffing y r u even there

[daring oxide]

wheres the fabled wowhead post

[vivid vessel]

i did an arakrra earlier

let me show you that shit bro

[glass mortar]

they could pick another melee that brings damage buff

[vivid vessel]

its actually crazy

[daring oxide]

that always follows with blizzard swift action buffs

[vivid vessel]

so you are last in overall right

so then you think

ok but maybe i do prio damage or smth

cant be all bad

[glass mortar]

xddd

[vivid vessel]

this is the first 3 miniboss

but wait cause

[glass mortar]

fatebound and have no prio damage and no aoe or trickster and have zero st or prio

[daring oxide]

have assa not yet had bugfixes at least?

[vivid vessel]

its not even the worse thing bro

[glass mortar]

which way western outlaw

[vivid vessel]

this is the prio damage on the big guy after first boss

[glass mortar]

LMAO

[vivid vessel]

ye cause

ks damage

isnt here

you know

so

[glass mortar]

good spell

another 69% will do it

then itll be good

i promise

[mighty pivot]

nice try gaslighting the clanker

[fathom bramble]

still below warr even if every KS hit went into the bloodguard

probably above the tank though

I think

[vivid vessel]

maybe

[mighty pivot]

btw the length of the blade means nothing because the game has daggers like this

[fathom bramble]

I mean sure

the game has 1h swords that are proportionally 2handers

and daggers that are clearly swords

[stuck sparrow]

Do people actually like low res ass models

like that

[glass mortar]

they can be a fine base

slap a super glow enchant on it

[fathom bramble]

it was a good mog 10 years ago

[glass mortar]

and u cant see the base rez anyway

[stuck sparrow]

less pixels than minecraft

[mighty pivot]

this model is cool, too bad it's so low poly now

[stuck sparrow]

i question eyesight on people

[glass mortar]

im currently using two of the maces that have ball ends with seperate physics and it looks so goofy

[stuck sparrow]

who use pre cata mogs

[glass mortar]

its great

[stuck sparrow]

just 1 poly ass shit

[red zinc]

peenar blade

[worldly shale]

ok but

LEADER HAS DAGGER

!?

[restive obsidian]

I like how 4 out 5 top damage abilities aren't even buttons you press

[red zinc]

i mean its like that with a lot of classes

[glass mortar]

yes shaw is a sub rogue isnt he

[mighty pivot]

jorach the 🐐

[glass mortar]

oh thats the vendor guy

i wish theyd do more class quests on trainers

like y r trainers even in the game anymore

[fathom bramble]

a lot of the 4/5 is sourced from actual button presses though

[stuck sparrow]

outlaw is basically being told you were the adopted child

[fathom bramble]

which is what really matters

[glass mortar]

legion class quests were fun

[mighty pivot]

lil bro called jorach a vendor

[red zinc]

frost had like 20% passive damage from auto attacks

at some point

[glass mortar]

SI:7 gets no respect from me they are almost soley responsible for the events of legion and death of the king

[worldly shale]

yup, and we got the pirate guy

[glass mortar]

[worldly shale]

XD

[fathom bramble]

autoattacks+instant poison have been over 40% of our damage before

[glass mortar]

when ur secret intelligence agency gets infiltrated by dreadlords

[fathom bramble]

on Combat

[worldly shale]

is there even a named lore person

that is an outlaw rogue

[fathom bramble]

SI:7 lying to their king to cover up their hilariously bad mistake

[glass mortar]

the defias bandit leader is the most famous one i can think of

[wintry solar]

You put respect on Dread Admiral Tethys' name

[fathom bramble]

our talent background is vancleef

[worldly shale]

ye thats the one i thought off

of

onlyfans

[wintry solar]

A couple but they're not really notable

[worldly shale]

i mean

vancleef is kinda cool

[fathom bramble]

and like 80% of that defias bandit area at the back of the cave is pirate themed

very outlaw area

[mighty pivot]

noggenfogger is also outlaw no?

[worldly shale]

look at this banger

[daring oxide]

@gaunt phoenix

[gaunt phoenix]

nice

[daring oxide]

do we know if we are getting new hero talents?

[gaunt phoenix]

we are

[daring oxide]

oh

[old gull]

mastery rework too

[daring oxide]

i hope we get swashbuckler for outlaw

[mighty pivot]

they are deleting our trees and making new ones

[gaunt phoenix]

god knows

[fathom bramble]

we are getting 3 new nodes in the currently existing trees

[daring oxide]

oh

not a brand new hero tree?

like a 3rd one

to choose from

[wintry solar]

Probably not

[fathom bramble]

no new trees are confirmed for any class except DH

[daring oxide]

so were gonna be stuck with fucking fatebound for another expansion

xd

[fathom bramble]

it is possible that some trees get reworked or replaced though

[wintry solar]

They may fix it

[daring oxide]

excuse me, can you give me your plain natty rolls?

[old gull]

yea but with even MORE modifiers and tooltips buddy

we're so back

[fathom bramble]

Blade flurry/ Fan of Knives now deal cosmic damage

[worldly shale]

it was 10.5 before last dung

XD

[daring oxide]

if they replace fatebound with Swashbuckler

[fathom bramble]

that's the new node we need

[gaunt phoenix]

they prolly just put the current tier into these talents

[daring oxide]

I'll literally name my baby boy Outlaw

guaranteed

[mighty pivot]

they will make coup de grace a random chance to proc on autos

[worldly shale]

bro

male coup

female grace

[vivid vessel]

keeping the odds up

[wintry solar]

Don't name your son Coup

[worldly shale]

they trickster

[wintry solar]

People like me exist

[daring oxide]

bro what the fufk

[old gull]

body type de grace

[daring oxide]

SHARE TECH

[vivid vessel]

nop

i keep it secret

[daring oxide]

ZAC I THOUGHT WE WERE BROTHERS UNTIL THE END

[mighty pivot]

secret tech, secret outlaw buffs

[fathom bramble]

getting secret tech would be an outlaw buff

[wintry solar]

Could be doctored

Old 4pc

[jolly geyser]

zac the person keeping us from getting buffs

[fathom bramble]

we get buffed after wacraftlogs removes the pad fights

surely

or they don't want us playing outlaw so they can rework it and give all our stuff to DH

something like that

[mighty pivot]

Cat animals

[wintry solar]

Shhh, they're sleeping.

[jolly geyser]

cozy

[real tulip]

chonky floofers

[mighty pivot]

for about 20 hours a day ye

[worldly shale]

Probably not outlaw mains

i couldnt sleep like that knowing outlaw is shite

[mighty pivot]

they are in hibernation until the buffs arrive

[jolly geyser]

they like me after doing 4hrs of outlaw keys while drunk last night

[mighty pivot]

or maybe hi-purr-nation

[real tulip]

you guys ever do an outlaw key

after doing a frost dk key

and realize how fucking sad our plight is

[harsh forge]

why would i play inferior specs

[mighty pivot]

no because I don't play cringe classes

[real tulip]

like we 100% have to work 3x as hard for piss damage

it's actually sad

[frail veldt]

What if I told you

there are those in here

[wintry solar]

I actually sleep like that knowing it is

[frail veldt]

who believe that having to work harder

shouldnt be rewarded with more dps

[wintry solar]

It's a lot less of a load

[real tulip]

i mean i guess i kinda understand

but i just dont understand what the point of the aoe caps is lol

when i can just mongo blast all my cd's as frost for a big pack and do damage my rogue can only dream about

[frail veldt]

others also would say that blizz balance is just a round robin

[mighty pivot]

your reward is playing a more fun spec

[real tulip]

if the outlaw rotation wasnt enjoyable, we'd really have nothing lol

[jolly geyser]

its fun and ass at the same time

[real tulip]

i think if i turned details off

[stiff vector]

the absolute state of rogue boys Last boss of ara kara...and my hunter is only 704ilvl

[real tulip]

it would be more fun

[stiff vector]

[real tulip]

i mean you get full uptime on the boss

they have to presumably sit in a root

[jolly geyser]

dont have it visible during runs,look at it after

[random stirrup]

what kinda noob is sitting the root

[jolly geyser]

same for raid bosses

[random stirrup]

if you aren't risking death with step/hook last second are you really living

[stiff vector]

real outlaws grapple the pull and cloak others for DPS

[real tulip]

i mean he said his hunter is 704, i'm guessing the rogues probably are not living on the edge

[jolly geyser]

its more easy to hook out of now

no wa shit etc needed

[stiff vector]

I just even disengaged it on my hunter

[jolly geyser]

1 big suck then hook

[stiff vector]

I was surprsied it worked

it was weird tho

[jolly geyser]

same for warr leap and shit

[real tulip]

what if i told you death's advance makes it mad easy too 😉

[stiff vector]

I mean I timed it correctly, but like...the animation of my disengage didnt actually happen I kind of just, teleported back lol

[jolly geyser]

also can just cloak and jerk off on bos

[real tulip]

she's not impressed by the tiny pp dmg

btw

she gets railed by bigger dps routinely

[fallow fractal]

that nice or

[real tulip]

that neck

[balmy topaz]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[neat echo]

Guys, shut down the discord, I'm about to be benched because low ST

jk.

[jolly geyser]

thats old tactic

[hearty fulcrum]

I raid lead which is tough as shit as outlaw with 120 cpm. Dumb move by me. But I got outdps’d by our prot warrior during the Nexus King damage amp. Fuckin cooked. Better just bench myself and raid lead as the 21st man.

[jolly geyser]

raid leading and playing this bloated mess, kinda cooked ngl

[bright crane]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-perfectlybalanced-gif-18301221

[neat echo]

Mythic progress is cooking me

[fallow fractal]

same

i feel so useless

only thing i can do is survive cause much versa

[jolly geyser]

midnight will bring a new day outlaw

[fathom bramble]

apex talents will be good

[drowsy ridge]

Its always darkest before the dawn

[jolly geyser]

[neat echo]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-cat-in-front-of-sea-gif-16930437336998530733

Outlaw is the only class I play well.

[jolly geyser]

outlaw will see the sunrise im sure

[red zinc]

just play bm u cant fuck that up

[fierce mulch]

or fdk

[drowsy ridge]

Havoc is also pretty fun if you want to stay melee

[jolly geyser]

or ret&fury if you wanna talk during a key and not look at bars that much

[fallow fractal]

played it in one key with 687 1 aoe pull i did 11 mill dps with 2 buttons

[neat echo]

I'll try something else..

[serene brook]

what do you boys think about Netherprism on Outlaw?

[drowsy ridge]

We don't really have a burst window to use its stacks on, so... if you like it, go for it?

[buoyant cosmos]

Can you disengage to skip the slime root as a hunter?

[buoyant cosmos]

It's great

You send it after KiR

Should have around six stacks

[shell dust]

guys is this macro:
/cancelaura Stealth
/cast Adrenaline Rush
/cast Ghostly Strike

only used for opener only? or through the pull?

[serene brook]

yeah i thought about that, even sim showing me bigger numbers in aoe in compare to antenna, but i dunno

[buoyant cosmos]

Opener

[glass mortar]

u can also use it anytime those two abilities overlap with a vanish

its fine

but that wont happen often

[buoyant cosmos]

Just makes kir feel better too, get tons of agi on top of 4+ buffs

[frail veldt]

But guys

Naowh put outlaw in A tier

So doesn't that mean if we aren't doing well we're just bad?

@vivid vessel confirm?

[desert tendon]

I confirm

zac is bad

wait that wasnt the question?

[frail veldt]

Good enough

[vivid vessel]

naolwh tier list is rng

in case you didnt know

[frail veldt]

No it's very serious

P sure he works at blizzard

[untold yarrow]

my friend was on his 685 hunter with 2+2 and he was doing like 20m on first pull in +10 gambit

disgusting class

[drowsy ridge]

MM is a gamble between 6m and 60m, Outlaw is a gamble between 6 and 6k

[untold yarrow]

it was bm

[drowsy ridge]

No clue how BM works other then Pet Unga Bunga

[untold yarrow]

imagine a ranged melee

no cast time can perma move

and also giga busted

[gaunt phoenix]

And gets buffed

[untold yarrow]

thats teh best part

[glass mortar]

bm utility is a design that shouldnt exist

46 yard range melee spec

[untold yarrow]

i would have a hunter

but i cant play with that class colour

[untold yarrow]

meanwhile they took the long arms from rogu

[stuck sparrow]

its a weird patch

where outlaw just isnt better at anything

[stiff vector]

I did 4.8m st on swamp face ln without lust playing DR BM

[stuck sparrow]

than the other two

[stiff vector]

It’s hella disgusting

[untold yarrow]

when is outlaw ever better at anything

[worldly sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/titanic-old-lady-finally-its-been84years-rose-de-witt-bukater-gif-4713500

[untold yarrow]

well living ig

[drowsy ridge]

We are good at the don't die

[untold yarrow]

meanwhikle

meanwhile

frost dk exists

[stiff vector]

Tbh even undergeared I don’t rly feel squishy playing DR BM at all

[stuck sparrow]

dk

[stiff vector]

You have so many buttons to press

[stuck sparrow]

if you die as a dk you deserve a shortbus frontrow

[untold yarrow]

driver

seat

[stiff vector]

You obv just need more healing than outlaw and take more dmg but as ranged you also kinda just by default take less dmg than melee overall

[buoyant cosmos]

Never grip never press death strike and then blame healer

[buoyant cosmos]

"what's wind up?"

[untold yarrow]

wdym

i dont get that

[buoyant cosmos]

Found the hunter

[stiff vector]

Bro you think they even have a WA that tells them they’re fixated they don’t even know it exists

[untold yarrow]

caught

OH

[buoyant cosmos]

100%

What do you mean stun them?

[untold yarrow]

floodgate windup

jfc

what a random obscure reference

[buoyant cosmos]

Capped was just in flood, was the first melee only mechanic that came to mind

[untold yarrow]

bombs

idk

[buoyant cosmos]

Them too

Let harpoon hit the hunter so they can experience pain

[untold yarrow]

cant you disengage mid harpoon

[buoyant cosmos]

Probably, idk if they think that fast tho

[untold yarrow]

true tbh

30% of dps players in title range are playing frost

BM will go up soon

[stuck sparrow]

lmao

more outlaw than assa players

[vivid vessel]

assa players tend to reroll to sub

and vice versa

[stuck sparrow]

yeah

assa aint even bad rn

though

[vivid vessel]

well it sure as hell aint as bad as outlaw

[mighty pivot]

and all those UHDK just went frost

[untold yarrow]

over 3x the druids

over outlaw

ferals

kekw

[vivid vessel]

ye unholy is so funny

cause

its also super op

🕉️

bro i cant omegalul anymore

[mighty pivot]

🕉️ frfr

[vivid vessel]

this is annoying

[untold yarrow]

🕉️

[vivid vessel]

everytime i type :om this shit pops up first

!!

[untold yarrow]

it only happens if you have french language as deault on windows

[vivid vessel]

i dont

nice try tho

[untold yarrow]

KEKW

[vivid vessel]

my computer is in englis h

qwerty etc

no frecnh

[untold yarrow]

englis h ? never heard of her

[mighty pivot]

no it's my first option as well, I just don't tab autocomplete it blindly

[vivid vessel]

!!

[mighty pivot]

nice red dots must be a secret message

[untold yarrow]

what red dots

[mighty pivot]

those

[untold yarrow]

oh nvm lmao idk

snipping tool added them

im cooked

[mighty pivot]

yes you clicked with the pen

[vivid vessel]

noob

[untold yarrow]

broo

dont noob me

[vivid vessel]

imagine clicking

haha

skill issue

[untold yarrow]

when your OM is 🕉️

[mighty pivot]

outlaw players 🕉️

[untold yarrow]

[serene brook]

🕉️ somehow it kinda reminds me this symbol ♿

[torpid heath]

Buff tomorow 93.4% chance

[earnest vapor]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[indigo token]

naowh is a fucking moron in that case

we're in the gutter rn

[uneven charm]

Hey, does anyone else struggle with parse rate and damage on Dimensius as Outlaw rogue?

[indigo token]

dim is our worst fight

in the whole expansion

ur fine

[uneven charm]

Good to know!

[glass mortar]

worst fight in expacs tbh

[keen belfry]

they should make a fight where u fly around for 150 then have 20 seond dmg amp then fly around for 150 again

thoughts?

[glass mortar]

[warm bobcat]

!macro

[ornate heath]

Macroing gs is relatively "ok", be aware that it wont ever be entirely optimal: target swapping in m+ or putting it on a dying target for example. You can macro it to all your abilities.

[compact narwhal]

@gaunt phoenix how do you reset rtb weakaura?

[hybrid crown]

They should have added a drive boss to the new raid to tie all the features in

Same for the last raid tbh

[cinder relic]

There for sure should have been a drive boss

[vernal pawn]

what mouses do you gamers play with

[worldly shale]

zowie

[fierce trout]

Steelseries Rival 5

[mighty pivot]

uncheck and recheck the "retain data" checkbox in options

[cinder relic]

Logitech lift

[torpid fiber]

$60 AUD Kensington ergonomic vertical mouse

[daring oxide]

save us guy, article monday morning, big buffs monday evening

[sterile oracle]

hey! Sorry to bother but i was wondering a thing, i recently dropped the dimensius hero weapon and have no access to other myth weapons except crafted ones.
In a theorical way, should i aim to craft a main hand ignoring the hero bis, or should i craft the rings?

I'm asking because rn I'm playing sub and have dagger and wrist crafted in case i have to jumb back and forth into assa

[gaunt phoenix]

If you are progging raid i would craft sub upgrades

There is not really a bis hero weapon, the only thing that matters is ilvl

[sterile oracle]

don't remember if pictures can be posted here

[sterile oracle]

my main content is actually m+, but i do play with my guild in raid to have a nice evening all togheter and push as much as we can

[gaunt phoenix]

i think there's not really going to be a right answer, if you play 2 specs you have to decide if crafting outlaw weapon is worth it. it's kind of half of the reason people don't multispec between outlaw and the others

[sterile oracle]

this is the first time i encountered this issues because before my break i played only outlaw, thanks for the clarifications

I'll valuate the possibile idea to craft a 720 weapon and the two rings slowly with the season going forward (unless it ends before i can achieve it XD)

[quaint mauve]

everyone hated that mechanic as is

[cinder relic]

Hh?

[wintry solar]

Drive was awesome

[covert kestrel]

Drive was awesome, they just put it in the worst zone for it

Imagine if we had that in ohn'ahran planes

[quaint mauve]

that’d be nice

[ocean lodge]

@vivid vessel Why a haste/vers belt over crit>vers? Isn't haste bad beyond like 19% or whatever

[quaint mauve]

probs sims best

for me my best simming ST has me at 21% haste so weird

[ocean lodge]

weird.

My crit's low and it still sims the crit one higher. As a bonus, it's the second best for sub. Why would it be variable?

[gaunt phoenix]

it's a secret, the extra haste gives you extra rtb rolls

[ocean lodge]

does it unlock the seventh die

[quaint mauve]

secret 7th buff

uncapped bf

[ocean lodge]

What was the azerite trait called?

the bf one

[mighty pivot]

wits?

[sonic pawn]

@ocean lodge Keep Your Wits About You

[fathom bramble]

imagine the apl testing required if haste changed RTB rolls/rules

[gaunt phoenix]

[craggy barn]

what if they baked opportunity into pistol shot, such that u can only press it when u have an opportunity stack, and it no longer counts as 3 separate casts

[fathom bramble]

it would take away our ability to easily pull mobs from 30 yards away

that's about it

[torpid fiber]

Yeah it'd be cringe in solo content

[fathom bramble]

I think generally it's better to have PS only be worth casting with opportunity active instead of fully locking it

the only real case for locking PS entirely behind Opportunity is just that it makes it more clear to a new player that you should never cast PS without opp

since now you literally can't make that mistake

[fallen mural]

I have to say my favorite thing about outlaw is when you get 3 buffs and then you KIR and AR and reroll you reroll 2 of those 3 buffs

lol

[fathom bramble]

big fan of rolling the exact 5 buffs I just kir'd

[fallen mural]

LOL

I wonder how outlaw would be if they made it, when you KiR you are guaranteed not to reroll your current dice

[random stirrup]

turbo gaming with the clutch ace resets into the last second 5buff kir with 1s duration left just to roll the same 5 buffs

[ocean lodge]

that's the one

that's the trait that killed blade flurry lol

[grim spear]

It’s really disappointing that FB has nothing to do with RTB

[fathom bramble]

considered the state we were in before wits it kind of also saved BF

[ocean lodge]

true

but they shot blade flurry to death because of it

[fathom bramble]

yeah

and that very slight funnel was seen by many as overpowered at the time

crazy what we see in funnel now

[grim spear]

The current hero talent system is really full of smell.
can’t believe they’re actually going to keep iterating on this shit next expansion.

[glass grove]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[indigo token]

im thoroughly mixed on it

like

some classes are super fun with it

enh stormbringer

frostfire frost mage (how it is now)

[fathom bramble]

I think they had some really good ideas for the hero talents and could have just made them natural parts of the specs they most fit in

[indigo token]

yeah

[fathom bramble]

the need to design 3 for every class basically gauranteed some bad ideas would sneak in

iteration though can fix that anyway

[indigo token]

the thing is that so much iteration was needed that it felt like for most of the expansion they were kind of spinning their wheels

[fathom bramble]

and hopefully will

[indigo token]

rogues got the short end of the stick this expansion honestly

should have known the moment we saw the trickster tree

where feint was being used rotationally

that we were kind of boned

[fathom bramble]

well they did iterate out of that at least

[indigo token]

yeah but the fact that we had to start from there at all

doesnt invoke confidence

and im mostly joking with that

I think this has been the buggiest expansion