outlaw

[frail veldt]

why does ar gs bte prevent 7 from giving lucky coin

[gaunt phoenix]

magic

[frail veldt]

yeah it has to fly to you

it spawns somewhere nearby

[vivid vessel]

so talented actually

[frail veldt]

and then flies towards you

hey maybe the lucky coin misses

like antenna

LOL

[vivid vessel]

140 ms

what a gamer this guy

[mighty pivot]

unlucky coin gamer

good hero tree btw

[proper veldt]

imagine its counted as a spell flying toward you and ur dodge chance works on it

[mighty pivot]

they couldn't make the lucky coin work with more than 7 flips, they had to make it 7 exact

[keen belfry]

first title achieved

fk u game

quick flex srry

[proper veldt]

Gzgz awangawangaw

[keen belfry]

msutve had lucky procs

[frank finch]

time is running out

[vague cape]

ay gz bro

[stiff vector]

gratz buddy, first one always feels the best.

[desert tendon]

who asked?

https://tenor.com/view/who-asked-world-of-warcraft-wow-gif-25705949

[keen belfry]

[stiff vector]

I got a new(to me) title yesterday too

[frail veldt]

first???

[keen belfry]

yar

[frail veldt]

I thought you been playin in DF

[keen belfry]

i pushed one season and stopped pushing a little early

first real season pushing this season

[torpid fiber]

gz

[keen belfry]

met some ppl

still more than half my keys were pugged tho

probably like 80% were

[slate forge]

For FB keys we would need to spread ghostly around right it would work on BF dmg?

[fathom bramble]

likely due to a bug/oversight it does not increase BF damage

[slate forge]

oh nice

[fathom bramble]

even if you spread it around

[slate forge]

yeah it's a next xpac angle

c yah

why is everything bugged this class sucks

[keen belfry]

rogue

[fathom bramble]

it's the same bug that made fazed not increase BF damage

it just only got fixed for one of our increased damage taken debuffs

[jade abyss]

I might be stupid but why does KS seems to do much higher dps at low CP rather than high CPS when you read the talent? Because it builds CP as well?

[subtle field]

How much worse off is outlaw s3 than outlaw s2?

[vivid vessel]

outlaw in s3 is more akin to outlaw in s1

[strong cargo]

It's like 1.8M dps per tick at low cp, each cp add a tick and lower the damage a bit to 1M at 10cp, but yeah you gain more cp and energy if it's not low cp

[vivid vessel]

the different tho is that people realized you have to play outlaw with phys comps

instead of trying to play it in any comp like in s1

[jade abyss]

But then why do'nt we KS at like 3 or 4 CP ?

[quaint mauve]

i did my first ever sub key

wow

i was overestimating how difficult this actualy is

easy ahh spec

[strong cargo]

Because it's still good damage, and we gain cp and energy ?

People probably tested it and proved it was better this way

[jade abyss]

yeah I thought about it and understood still feels a bit weird.
Do we want to supercharge it or avoid it?

I assume not

[quaint mauve]

i think its neutral

[subtle field]

yeah. just seems there isnt really a point to playing outlaw ngl. assa seems to do more dmg in phys comp anyways and is uncapped, and has funnel. and a good dmg profile.

or am I missing something?=

[vivid vessel]

nope

[subtle field]

I still think outlaw is more fun.

but that is about the only thing making me play outlaw from time to time

last season, was outlaw better in phys comp then assa? only played outlaw in phys comp, never tried assa

[indigo token]

well

[jade abyss]

What I don't understand is that if KS is worth to cancel why didn't I send it at lower cp ?

[indigo token]

i improbed my plexus parse

from 3 to 21

i I fucking hate outlaw

[torpid fiber]

You still get cdr from spending the combo points

[indigo token]

genuinely

i have never been as upset at blizzard as ive ever been

barring the lawsuit

the way we're just

chugging sewer water

neglected as fuck

and all they do is change killing spree

gee

thanks for taking the giant metal rod out of our cock

mind fixing every other broken bone in our body

no

[stiff vector]

fuck me almost choked on my water

[indigo token]

they're too busy stealing breast milk to dedicate one fucking iota of attention to how abysmal our damage is

im glad

i like making people laugh

[fathom bramble]

this change also being half baked and inadvertently gutting trickster definitely didn't help

I was waiting curiously what the trickster adjustment was going to be for that one

and it just never came

[surreal flower]

[indigo token]

omg

is that oh sheriff

[stiff vector]

I genuinely dont think theyre even aware of how much this nerfed trickster, especially in AoE. Because they promptly nerfed nimble flurry, AND BF on PTR after that

jsut actually fucking clueless, useless devs

[fathom bramble]

yeah..

trickster with the quick triple tap

I like to imagine that it's caused by having too high of a workload on too small of a team

instead of saying anything so rude about the devs though

I'm blaming management on this one

[stiff vector]

and ofc it didnt actually help fatebound aoe either, it only hurt it too

[gaunt phoenix]

trickster without the tier set is

well so is fatebound i guess

[fathom bramble]

everything fun about fatebound is just the tierset rn

I hope our new talents can fill that void and make our hero talents at least somewhat acceptable

[lethal oak]

Guys dont worry a .5 rework is coming

[gaunt phoenix]

i think unseen blade should just apply fazed to additional targets instead of relying on ks to spread it

[fathom bramble]

I'll do you one better

faze should be a buff on my character

[gaunt phoenix]

And then they can change that talent to reduce ks duration or something

[fathom bramble]

called unphased

[gaunt phoenix]

true

[vivid vessel]

lok

[stiff vector]

I dont get why KS is the only way we spread fazed....when its a ST ability now that randomly targets lul

[vivid vessel]

do you wanna know

the new thing i learned

[fathom bramble]

is it that fate intertwined also hits critters?

[vivid vessel]

warrior bladestorm

they have a talent

to be able to kick and cc

during it ..

[fathom bramble]

nice

where is mine

[torpid heath]

yes but they dont have soothing darkness

[fathom bramble]

it's actually very funny just how strong soothing is for outlaw compared to the other 2 specs

it's not even close

like all things vanish related always have been I guess

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, soothing is crazy

When I saw the buff to it when they buffed it I was immediately like "...do they know?"

[fathom bramble]

buffed and took it off of shadowdance

[torpid fiber]

Yep

Honestly I'm fine with it mostly because outlaw feeling durable at least means there's one nice thing about the spec

[fathom bramble]

true

being durable is like the only thing we have

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

If we didn't have haste tax this expac we might be stacking like 45% vers rn

[fathom bramble]

wonder if we get a secondary stat adjustment in midnight

[torpid fiber]

Haste tax frustrates me because it feels good to have extra gearing options and then you hit the cap and it feels ass

[fathom bramble]

or if we just coast like this for another expac

[stiff vector]

it is actually kind of incredible how the design of rogue is just so behind everything else, and we dont get any of the same kind QoL or treatment of other specs

we actually get the opposite

[fathom bramble]

warrior also got their problematic mastery(deep wounds) fixed a while back

it had basically all the same problems that MG has

[torpid fiber]

I wonder if the solution would be to roll swift slasher into adr in some form, and make it so extra haste over 25% gives you bonus attack speed at a rate high enough that haste doesn't drop off as hard, but not so high that we don't vers stack

[fathom bramble]

the haste into even more attack speed is kind of a scary thing to have to be honest

[torpid fiber]

I agree but also I can't really think of anything else

[fathom bramble]

since it makes haste scale attackspeed in a way that makes haste have exponential damage scaling through AA damage

[torpid fiber]

It's polynomial, right?

[fathom bramble]

it would have to be a crazy high number to break anything, but there is the distinct possibility of just having 300% haste being ideal

and the value of haste would just go up the more of it you already had

[torpid fiber]

Yeah that's fair

Hmm

[stiff vector]

I mean I think it could be kind of cool to be the class with some GIGA attack speed

could else help fix energy, and our mastery if were attacking giga fast

[torpid fiber]

But also that would be giga every year when kazzak neck was around

[fathom bramble]

swift slasher should be moved to a spot where you basically can't skip it and be changed to X% abiltiy damage instead of aspeed

just make it a spec default and ignore haste into energy economy

[torpid fiber]

I think the ideal spot is that haste is worth similar to crit

I kinda like being a vers spec. Sue me but being tanky is nice

[fathom bramble]

yeah it's comfy

I think ideally we at least have 3 okay stats though

[torpid fiber]

"Vers doesn't do anything you can notice" neither does crit except for fire. Neither does haste for rogue. Neither does mastery for most specs

[fathom bramble]

I notice being tankier

[torpid fiber]

Yeah!

[fathom bramble]

but yeah offensively most of the stats most of the time do literally nothing

[torpid fiber]

Vers is the only stat that's actually noticeable for fixed gcds

[fathom bramble]

even everyones favorite mastery example doesn't actually do anything(WW)

since it doesn't change with more stat it is just the static correct way to play

[torpid fiber]

crits I guess are noticeable for people who look at their floating damage numbers but I don't have the brain power for that

[wintry solar]

Plays outlaw

Doesn't have the brain power

What a goober

[torpid fiber]

Playing outlaw is why I don't

I'm sure if I played bm I could

[fathom bramble]

if you were on sub you could read out your entire eviscerate crit number

so much extra brain power to go around

I would also like to say that no gameplay difference from stats is ideal

since you can just design the spec to play well

and not rely on haste or some shit

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

[wintry solar]

Fair point. I concede.

[fathom bramble]

there was a while there a very long time ago that combat just played like shit without enough haste

you could argue that we are also kind of like that rn too, but it was worse back then I think

[wintry solar]

It was a different kind of bad

[torpid fiber]

Tbf has anyone actually played outlaw this expac without haste cap for longer than levelling

[wintry solar]

Outside of gearing probably not

[fathom bramble]

yeah

I think the 0 haste feels worse now than it did then maybe

but getting to acceptable haste is easier so

kind of hard to say when it was approx 1000 years ago though

[drowsy ridge]

I remember those days. You just didn't exist until at least two, two and a half, tiers into the expansion until there was enough Haste on the gear, and then energy stopped mattering

[junior coral]

im gearing out a havoc bc outlaw poopy

390 doing 4 mil ST lol

crazy how undertuned outlaw is

[red zinc]

390

[frail veldt]

I have all numbers disabled

[torpid heath]

Nice outlaw buff

[frail veldt]

Except for miss/dodge/parry

The game is so much more visually clear when you turn off numbers

[red zinc]

how does one do this

I just got everything turned off

[frail veldt]

Classic scrolling combat text

Addon

Or classic floating combat text

Forget what it's called

But yeah it's nice to know when a mob is like evading or something

So I have evade enabled too

[frank finch]

nol luck today boys maybe monday

[quaint mauve]

@frail veldt the one key i did on sub with crit>mastery and no raid trinkets

i did more dmg than i’ve ever done as outlaw

on db

[mellow mica]

How can I leave the adrenaline buff at 90% of its duration?

same as faq

there

I didn't understand very well

[quaint mauve]

wym?

[mellow mica]

[blissful idol]

you basically have to play very well for the entirety of the dungeon

[mellow mica]

rotate cdr with the passive blades and with the data, right?

[blissful idol]

what?

[quaint mauve]

oh if you’re asking abt how to get 90% + uptime on adr

[mellow mica]

yea

[quaint mauve]

use your vanishes properly, don’t waste cdr, do your rotation correctly, always be hitting your target

that’s like basics of it

the better you perform your rotation

the more uptime you have

if you log a key

i can properly see where you mess up and point it out

or better yet

a vod

[mellow mica]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/character/us/nemesis/vascodagama?zone=45

that's it?

[quaint mauve]

like the log of a specific key

those parses come from leaderboards so i can’t tell what your doing

[mellow mica]

https://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/2WDC7YjXtZz9wkLT?fight=2&type=summary

[gaunt phoenix]

8 casts of KIR in 23 minutes seems very low

[quaint mauve]

first mistake i noticed is this. you’re supposed to cast blade flurry and adr b4 you go into the pack

[gaunt phoenix]

you're not using roll the bones after KIR

!rtb

[ornate heath]

How to use RTB
(Assuming season 3 tier and Supercharger)

• Roll if you have 0 or 1 buffs.
• Roll if you have 2 buffs and Loaded Dice is active.
• Roll once asap after pressing KIR, as your buffs don't get rolled away. Use this weakaura to see when your buffs don't get rolled away (yellow border).
• After the KIR roll, continue to watch the weakaura as buffs tick down. As your buffs expire you may hit a point where your remaining buffs are yellow and you can roll again.

[quaint mauve]

instead you go into the pack, bte and have no energy cast dispatch on its own(?) then adr into KS

solo got you logs look so weird on phone

[torpid fiber]

Don't press ambush as KIR

[buoyant cosmos]

If you turn your phone they go back to normal

[mellow mica]

I feel like I'm running out of energy

[torpid fiber]

That happens sometimes, but also you're pressing ambush as KIR which is a lot of energy you'll get back when you fix it

[mellow mica]

yes, I found out about it later
🤡

[torpid fiber]

The other trick is don't cancel killing spree as 1fth if you are

(Unless you'd drop adr)

[mellow mica]

ok

[torpid fiber]

But yeah sometimes energy does just go kaput

Really frustrating

[keen belfry]

do u guys every have nights

where u just play like ass

[buoyant cosmos]

every night, yeah

[torpid fiber]

Nah I haven't played sin in expansions

but yeah

vibes rng is real

[keen belfry]

im legit playing like piss chees ern

[torpid fiber]

Happens in every hard game imo

[keen belfry]

actual piss cheese

think i need to go touch grass

[buoyant cosmos]

Was gonna suggest a walk or 5 minutes of meditation

[torpid fiber]

When I'm grinding a geometry dash level some days I would just lose like a week of consistency gains

[keen belfry]

ye si go outside

[torpid fiber]

also yeah make sure ur going outside and sleeping and doing exercise

[buoyant cosmos]

leave your phone

[mellow mica]

Is there anything else to review in the log?

[torpid fiber]

idk I just kinda glanced at it unfortunately

Don't have the time rn to do an in-depth review and tbh most of what I can do with log reviews is just making sure there aren't core rules you don't know about

[quaint mauve]

some days r just like impossible for ol idk

start having low 90% uptimes

[mellow mica]

okok

thanks friend

[quaint mauve]

and dying to gtextires

[fathom bramble]

this happens to me on a random particularly cold day sometimes

slowing me down

need more coats and coffee to get the dps back up

[torpid fiber]

oh yeah make sure ur not too hot and not too cold

I run into being too hot a ton, I sweat super easily (even with using anti-sweat hand stuff)

[quaint mauve]

is it crazy to say i have heat packs for my hands

[fathom bramble]

I have a fan for my hands for the reverse issue

[quaint mauve]

bc i can’t play with cold hands

[buoyant cosmos]

I like my claw to play with

How far over on the number row do you guys on kb's go?

[torpid fiber]

I also can't play with cold hands tbh

like if my hands get cold I can't play for the rest of the day

My hands suck

[quaint mauve]

it stiffens my hand out too much

[torpid fiber]

My hands swell

[buoyant cosmos]

that's wild

fingerless gloves like nessa might be the move then

[quaint mauve]

nessa mightt be on to something

[buoyant cosmos]

why do keys when I play like this always end bricked lol

[torpid fiber]

When I still used kb I went up to 5 and even that by the end was starting to feel like pushing it at times

[buoyant cosmos]

Did you switch to a naga?

[torpid fiber]

Razer tartarus pro

[buoyant cosmos]

Ahh nice, I used a merc stealth keyboard for a long time.

I use a cyborg now

[fathom bramble]

F4, 5, T, G is kind of the edge of my normal binds

[torpid fiber]

having movement on the thumb is so broken tbh

[buoyant cosmos]

Mine has a hall stick for movement

it's awesome

[fathom bramble]

though snd is on G so I basically never press it

[torpid fiber]

That sounds hype

[buoyant cosmos]

https://imgs.search.brave.com/CHFvQ-qdrSHCez5Rqe3lIXts9PNeGlE7mL15gTBSk4E/rs:fit:860:0:0:0/g:ce/aHR0cHM6Ly9tLm1l/ZGlhLWFtYXpvbi5j/b20vaW1hZ2VzL0kv/NTF5b08rQmNnNUwu/anBn

[buoyant cosmos]

F keys seem like a stretch

[wintry solar]

I got a heater for cold hands and baby powder for sweaty hot hands

[fathom bramble]

people always say that when I say I use F1-4 binds

but I can hit them fairly comfortably

[torpid fiber]

Most keyboards I've used have the F keys separated from the number keys by a gap

[buoyant cosmos]

that's cool!

[torpid fiber]

And I can't imagine hitting them with the gap

[buoyant cosmos]

I use this one for the ergonimcs

my hand never hurts even after like 10 hour saturdays

[torpid fiber]

I got my tartarus for the ergonomics, yeah

[fathom bramble]

yeah my keyboard gap between numbers and F keys is not that large

[torpid fiber]

my wrist was not happy and I'd already fucked up my right wrist so I didn't want to risk it

[fathom bramble]

barely more than the gap between normal keys

[buoyant cosmos]

Pretty much like that?

[fathom bramble]

maybe less than that

[buoyant cosmos]

we got like 60 years after playing wow to enjoy not having carpel tunnel from maining outlaw

[fathom bramble]

Corsair K70 if you want to look up an image of it

[torpid fiber]

Oh I also use a k70

lmao

[buoyant cosmos]

That does look closer

[torpid fiber]

Honestly I would love to use any other brand but the k70 media controls are soooooo good

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah the rotary for volume is nice

[torpid fiber]

the pause/forwards/back buttons are also huge

Being able to skip a song while gaming so easily without breaking flow is massive qol

[quaint mauve]

this looks too freaky for me man

[buoyant cosmos]

don't look at mine then lmao

[torpid fiber]

You get used to it after a bit

[indigo token]

I GOT ANOTHER FUCKING 2 ON SOULBINDER BECAUSE I DIED

I HATE BLIZZARD

AHHHHHHH

[torpid fiber]

Took me a while to figure out how I wanted to bind it

[quaint mauve]

torture device controller

[indigo token]

https://tenor.com/view/jesus-ai-hug-cat-jesus-hug-cat-ai-gif-3164886642376333242

[torpid fiber]

But once I did it now just comes naturally

I don't have to think

[buoyant cosmos]

they're so comfortable

each finger articulates

[torpid fiber]

The big trick I did is that I made it so "up" on the joystick dpad thing is w instead of the obvious a

[buoyant cosmos]

I kept mine as push forward

[granite merlin]

lol my entire rotation is bound to my mouse wheel up down left right push in and then a mouse bound shift button on side

[buoyant cosmos]

but since it's a controller stick it's a bit easier

[torpid fiber]

My hand was getting strained with it as push forwards

that was the main issue tbh

[granite merlin]

I have zero wrist issues now

[buoyant cosmos]

that's new

Do you feel like it gets loose fast?

[torpid fiber]

This is so fucking based holy shit

I love weird shit like that

[buoyant cosmos]

I have shift/alt on my mouse thumb buttons

but just click in scroll wheel for stealth

[torpid fiber]

I speedran VVVVVV with all my controls on mouse buttons for a while back when I was 14

My mouse side buttons are turn left/right, which I should maybe change

[buoyant cosmos]

I feel like having the modifiers there are a game changer

[torpid fiber]

I don't think I could comfortably use them as modifiers

[buoyant cosmos]

I've got a mamba, they're really easy for me to hit

[torpid fiber]

I use a wrist brace on my right wrist whenever I play a mouse game bc it's fucked up and otherwise it gets tired really fast

[granite merlin]

Nope been doing it for three years

[torpid fiber]

Yeah, I use a shitty $60 aud vertical mouse

I like it but it's kinda shitty

[craggy barn]

bro i was blasting on soulbinder then we wiped

then i fucking beefed it

im so pissed

[granite merlin]

Yeah man wheel up it sinister strike down is dispatch, right it pistol shot, left is bte, middle click is roll dice, shift middle is keep it rolling, then shift right is ad rush and shift right is vanish then shift up is killing spree and shift down is ghostly. So when I want to go into subterfuge it’s shift left then left left left for bte on mouse wheel

I’m telling you I had to quit playing enhance and outlaw until I did this and now it’s just moving my finger

My wrist has been magic now

[torpid fiber]

This is so fucking awesome ur legit my idol for this

[granite merlin]

🙂

Wait shift up is blade flurry down is killing I have ghostly bound to vanish

So when in subterfuge if I have pistol shot stacks I just move finger right to pistol shot the left to bte or just up and left for sinister and bte it’s wildly fluid

And you can hit rotation insane fast when rolling wheel up and down

[dawn talon]

make sure you take care of your phalanges and metacarpals too, just massage your hand every once in a while and it should be fine

but that's fuckin awesome

[quaint mauve]

would yall hate me if i hard roll sub….

just like awang

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't know if it's that much better lol

"yellow class"

[quaint mauve]

im beating my tank ST now

[buoyant cosmos]

[quaint mauve]

i just feel like i’ve hit a wall idk

nvm

im mad now

i need to get better

i won’t be like…

the betrayer

[buoyant cosmos]

time to hit the training montage

[quaint mauve]

https://tenor.com/view/boxing-punching-under-water-creed2-michael-b-jordan-gif-12042730

https://tenor.com/view/boxing-punching-under-water-creed2-michael-b-jordan-gif-12042730

why’d it send twice

wtf

[buoyant cosmos]

shows your dedication

[quaint mauve]

also it’s much better

bc dmg profile or whatever

[buoyant cosmos]

I just mean trying to pug

[quaint mauve]

you actually do dmg when it matters

oh idc abt that

i get invites when i Q with my tank

[buoyant cosmos]

rich in friendship I see

[quaint mauve]

yeah friendship is op

[buoyant cosmos]

I was queuing with my BM friend

[quaint mauve]

especially when it’s with a good class player

[buoyant cosmos]

We're more appealing with a lust friend lol

but he's 100 io ahead of me now

[quaint mauve]

always have monk buff too

because he’s brew

[buoyant cosmos]

based

[quaint mauve]

i did 40 mill dps on floodgate first pull with sub optimal gear on sub

i do tank dmg on outlaw on that pull

[vague cape]

Unseen blade tierset proc’d twice

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah I'm like "oh boy, 16 mil!

lol

[quaint mauve]

im bugged irl too man

[frail veldt]

Really? I feel like sub I'm still like 10-15% below my outlaw overall but I also don't have a dagger in my offhand so that prob doesn't help

[quaint mauve]

i think i saw that

even a 650 dagger beats a mythic one hander

so

[quaint mauve]

it might be bc db just sucks as outlaw idk

i was pumping ST

on the floodgate i was still ahead of outlaw but not by much

but that dungeons feels really good for sub in terms of cd timing

[granite merlin]

I am having a very hard time breaking 5-5.5 million I am only getting like 75% ad rush times

[quaint mauve]

send log :p

[granite merlin]

I can do that!

[tender wedge]

Damn you managed to catch the tank, nice

[quaint mauve]

sometimes i don’t

that’s if im lucky

[tender wedge]

need a natty 5 roll off the rip for that to stand a chance i think

[buoyant cosmos]

!log

[fast trail]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[frail veldt]

thats like 6 buttons

[torpid fiber]

I showed images of a cyborg to friends who don't play wow and some of them didn't think it was cool

[buoyant cosmos]

I get clowned by my friends

It's different, and too expensive lol

[torpid fiber]

Yeah it is super expensive but they look so cool

I want to buy one sometime down the line

[buoyant cosmos]

They go on sale / people sell them for <200 on their discord

[torpid fiber]

Will look into it sometime, yeah

[buoyant cosmos]

Still a lot, but I think that it's worth it for the ergonomics

[torpid fiber]

It's mostly a "sometime in the future" thing for me bc I'm already happy with my tartarus

[buoyant cosmos]

I hear that

I was happy with the gaming side of my old merc stealth, but I wanted abetter typing experience

[torpid fiber]

wait you type with it???

[buoyant cosmos]

So I got this on offerup

[torpid fiber]

nvm that's cool as fuck

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't, but some people do

[torpid fiber]

my tartarus is a dedicated wow/ff14 device

[buoyant cosmos]

yeah I only use this for gaming, but I wanted a mech keyboard typing experience and didn't want to learn how to play on a normal keyboard

[torpid fiber]

that's super super fair

my theory is that people who don't think weird controllers are cool just have never used one before

and/or just refuse to admit that being a dork is awesome

[granite merlin]

up down left right click, shift up down left right click

its 10

i use all 10

[frail veldt]

well you use two of those for moving right?

left and right click

[granite merlin]

like wheel left wheel right

[frail veldt]

yeah but you still have binds on your keyboard right

[granite merlin]

i use the clickers for movement

[frail veldt]

you cant do your whole rotation on 10 binds lol

[buoyant cosmos]

shift and alt make it 15

[granite merlin]

i have 8 buttons on my side i have sprint grapple and all defensives on mouse buttons

also what night said

[buoyant cosmos]

oh you use a naga?

[granite merlin]

no a EVGA mouse

[buoyant cosmos]

got it

[granite merlin]

it has third mouse button for push to talk as well

[buoyant cosmos]

If you don't have a problem with a normal keybard for gaming, it's "why fix what isn't broken" kinda angle

It's cool to see what people are cooking up though

[torpid fiber]

Because it could be better!
(Also I've always just found non-traditional controllers cool as hell)

[frail veldt]

bro thats still not enough rofl

[buoyant cosmos]

he's got a grip of thumb buttons he said too

[frail veldt]

I need to see his action bars

[buoyant cosmos]

lol

I think it's this one https://images.evga.com/products/gallery/png/904-W1-15BK-KR_XL_2.png

[quaint mauve]

i have 36 binds

[buoyant cosmos]

I have 31

[frail veldt]

I mean does he bind strafe?

like

[buoyant cosmos]

if you count click in mouse to stealth

[frail veldt]

wat

how do you unbind click?

how do you use the ui

or click on an npc

[buoyant cosmos]

iirc he uses clicks like normal

just double click to move

and keyboard to turn

[frail veldt]

SS, PS, Dispatch, BtE, KS, Kick, Sprint, Vanish, Adr, Rtb, GS, KiR, Cloak, Evasion, Feint, Vial, Kidney, Sap, Grapple, Blade Flurry, Cheap Shot, Shiv, Stealth, Racial, Tricks, Shroud, Distract, Blind, Power Pot, Healthstone, HP Potion, Trinket, Set focus

thats 33

and thats not even like binding mount

or binding poisons

thats like bare minimum just bind your buttons

I didnt include a focus kick even

oh wait forgot blade flurry

theres no way youre not inting having less than those buttons bound

I mean its fine to int though you can play the game at whatever level you want

but youd have to be clicking buttons

or just never pressing them

to have that few binds

Like maybe you can unbind shroud tricks and distract

[buoyant cosmos]

of those I'd keep distract bound

that's clutch when someone isn't paying attention

[torpid fiber]

I don't have shroud or distract bound idt

Maybe I have distract actually

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't bind shroud

[torpid fiber]

Not shroud though

My logic is that it's way worse to misinput shroud ever than it is to have to click it

[plucky sonnet]

maybe I should bind cheap shot outside of just in pvp

[buoyant cosmos]

less so now with everything having true sight

[frail veldt]

So the real question is

with 15 binds

what did he not bind

LOL

cuz its half of those

[buoyant cosmos]

If he's got the evga mmo mouse it has a ton of extra thumb buttons, it sounds like he just has the core stuff on the scroll wheel

[frail veldt]

Yeah if he used all 3 modifiers then definitely

maybe he meant he has 15 buttons

not 15 binds

[buoyant cosmos]

I understood it as, he has 15 binds on his scroll wheel + everything else on his mouse

[plucky sonnet]

my binds which will surely not come back to bite me by giving me a repetitive strain injury a year from now

[frail veldt]

when he said "my entire rotation is bound to my mouse wheel" I was like ???

maybe just the main buttons?

[fluid meadow]

1 button rotation confirmed

[buoyant cosmos]

my friend has the one button detector WA

they took it off wago

seems like no one above 12s uses it

[frail veldt]

nope

I had a warlock use it

in a 14

[buoyant cosmos]

yikes

[torpid fiber]

Tbf I feel like utility isn't rotation

[frail veldt]

he did like 5 mil overall in an eco

[frail veldt]

yeah but is adr part of it?

[buoyant cosmos]

sleeeeeping at the wheel

[frail veldt]

like adr, rtb, kir, etc

we have a lot of "rotational" buttons

I guess core rotation is SS, PS, Dispatch, BtE, Adr, Rtb, KiR, GS, BF, KS, Vanish?

[torpid fiber]

ss, ps, gs, bf, dispatch, bte, ks, vanish, adr, rtb, kir

[frail veldt]

11 binds

guess that works

[torpid fiber]

11 is doable

[fluid meadow]

im just surprised when i see some action bars filled with passive things to hide the empty places

[torpid fiber]

And they said they had gs macroed into vanish

So 10

[plucky sonnet]

I might as well do that for FB in raid

[torpid fiber]

and 10 is 5x2 which is exactly enough

[fathom bramble]

this is quite simply illegal

[plucky sonnet]

I'm told that a lot

[buoyant cosmos]

you ever try moving to sdfe for movement?

[plucky sonnet]

I can't strafe left and dps at the exact same time so when I have to I'm tap strafing or holding w while looking left between keypresses

I haven't tried that before and I don't know if it's something that I could even get used to

I would just end up moving my Q binds to W binds

[fluid meadow]

i'd like to have +2 buttons next to the arrows for my movement

now im strafeing but can't turn

[buoyant cosmos]

A lot of F keys have that home row nub on them so you can use that to help train your muscle memory

It is a big adjustment though

I only hear of pvpers from a while ago who switched

[plucky sonnet]

yeah it would be a pretty big adjustment, maybe something to consider if rogue gets even more buttons going into midnight though

[frail veldt]

its prob fine

[plucky sonnet]

although in that case I just actually start using the side buttons on my mouse, which I've rebound to be keys which are out of my reach

[frail veldt]

thats extremely unlikely

we will prob lose buttons

[buoyant cosmos]

Do you think the apm stays?

[plucky sonnet]

I think the apm is a big part of outlaw it would really suck if it became relegated to the same or similar rpm as sin and sub

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't think it'll get that lethargic

[fathom bramble]

even if they reduce the apm I think it'll feel fine as long as we are still properly GCD capped

right now a lot of our excess apm comes from off-gcd stuff that we could maybe live without

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't think many people would miss GS for a start

[fathom bramble]

definitely if it drops below 70 though then it's kind of sad, and down at 50 where the other 2 specs live would be awful

but we probably don't need to be pushing 85

[buoyant cosmos]

it's a huge wall keeping people from trying the spec if they don't look stuff up outside the game

[plucky sonnet]

I'm a big fan of the high APM I actually really enjoy seeing my CPM on warcraftlogs be like 140

[torpid fiber]

Ok but cpm is so fake

[plucky sonnet]

be that as it may I still like having a lot to do all the time

[torpid fiber]

I agree

Cpm specifically is just come bullshit because of all the extra casts we get

[plucky sonnet]

like wdym hand of fate is counted

feint, evasion, cloak, and consumes are also counted on wcl

also counting FtH and opportunity I think?

but not the crackshot dispatch I don't think

[fluid meadow]

daily +10 key runners bro has this wep

[buoyant cosmos]

doesn't that just drop from Taz?

[fluid meadow]

idk but he is devoker with agi wep enchanted and oiled and running keys like this

[buoyant cosmos]

Oh fair

Same icon as the int one lol

"need staff?"

[random stirrup]

you know the best part is he also has ticking sac on

that only procs from melee abilities and attacks

[somber fractal]

maybe he right clicks mobs in melee 🤔

[tender wedge]

Hybrid evoker

[stiff vector]

this spec is so dumb lol. Literally gapped the 707 WW on Rashanan(well, all the bosses) and did 2x the dmg of the Assa(698ilvl)....im 697

very fair and balanced

[torpid fiber]

3.84 overall smh smh

[stiff vector]

key too low

[buoyant cosmos]

That's how it feels on my FDK

same ilevel beating people 707 for no reason

[torpid fiber]

skill issue smh

Could do 5m as outlaw in that key

[buoyant cosmos]

gobble up all the pad with our instant damage instead of having to ramp lol

[torpid fiber]

Yeah

[stuck sparrow]

sub 10 keys have some animals

[quaint mauve]

im pumping

[buoyant cosmos]

ngl they scare me

[stuck sparrow]

even pug raids

i see dh and fury players with literal gaps in gcds

like what are you doing

[quaint mauve]

drooling on their keyboards wondering what to press next

[stuck sparrow]

the irony of that is how often these spcs

are pressing the same button

4-5x in a row

[bright crane]

are u playing multi or non-multi

[red zinc]

100.1% of total damage truly maximizing deeps

[rotund zodiac]

Anyone got 691 cudgel yet?

[torpid heath]

678 gang

[jolly geyser]

Got it 1 week,oops

[stiff vector]

no multi. I only have a like 694 weap tho so thats kinda holding me back a lot rn

[bright crane]

so am i supposed to be spreading barbed shot around

[stiff vector]

yeah

altho I guess if you really want to maximize prio you could just send everything into the prio target

[bright crane]

dude how am i supposed to get cool pets from old content

everything dies in 1 hit

even when naked

[somber fractal]

cant you just click tame?

[buoyant cosmos]

Im pugging mythic soulbinder

do I just go M+ build for pad to look good on meters?

[bright crane]

it wouldnt let me

said its not tamable

[somber fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/uhm-uhmm-yes-huh-uhmmm-gif-23719974

[bright crane]

mm i guess this video is wrong idk why it said to get it to 20%

[plucky sonnet]

if your single target as outlaw is desperately needed to kill the boss then it is not your problem at that point

also the adds are the most dangerous part of the fight so you should be playing trickster with Dancing Steel + Precise Cuts on that boss

[buoyant cosmos]

It's just a random group

I am

ez 1 shot

no neck tho

[granite merlin]

Utility is not rotation

[granite merlin]

You can make fun of my dps but it works lol my dps is low cause im learning outlaw brand new as of two weeks ago

[frail veldt]

That was not directed at you lol

That was about a warlock who used the one button rotation in our +14 eco

[granite merlin]

Ohhh

Nm ❤️

I did my dps was 5 million though lol

[frail veldt]

I def wasn't making fun I was just confused how you had all your binds in 15 but we came to the conclusion like you said that it's just the rotation buttons

[granite merlin]

Yessir

[frail veldt]

I mean that's fine you aren't in my +14 lol if you were doing that there and we didn't time it you might get a little flame for it haha

Everyone starts somewhere

[granite merlin]

Keeping ad rush up is killing my dps 🙁

[frail veldt]

Yeah that's prob the first big hurdle of outlaw

[granite merlin]

Like flood gate on the double boss

I have no idea how to keep it running

[frail veldt]

Is it just too much movement?

[granite merlin]

Yes and when I have to aim for bombs

[frail veldt]

Ah ye

That's honestly just practice

You get enough time on those fights and you learn how to use your mobility to keep really good uptime while still doing mechanics

[granite merlin]

Like do I vanish

To try to save

Or just hook around

I have to start looking at when intermissions happen

Dawnbreaker also is just a cluster for me :/

My higest dps was in a 13 two nights ago at 6.4 but I feel it should be way higher for my gear

[buoyant cosmos]

screw that, just sit on the goblin lady like all the other melee do

@granite merlin Do you use something to highlight where your cursor is?

[granite merlin]

My other issue is it seems all the prio stuff like doing killing and coup by the time I get to a vanishing window after all the prios I effed myself

[buoyant cosmos]

It makes hooking much easier

[granite merlin]

Ooo no

[buoyant cosmos]

are you online and NA?

[granite merlin]

I am not online atm just going to bed I am na

[buoyant cosmos]

Ok, was just gonna share the WA in game

https://wago.io/ZbjlsgMkp/51

here's the one I use

[granite merlin]

Ty

I’ll dm myself with it

I should make a circle that shows my adrush

Countdown

[buoyant cosmos]

Are you using one of those WA packs?

I made these for myself a while ago,

[granite merlin]

So this will sound dumb. I’m red green color blind and I have a really hard time looking at weak auras

Woooah want want

[buoyant cosmos]

Oh lol

[granite merlin]

That’s what I need

I was trying to make that

[buoyant cosmos]

Aside from red and green colorblind

[granite merlin]

I can’t have everything all mushed together

Cause I can’t distinguish it

That’s EXACTLY what I want

I was going to make a ad rush and subterfuge window etc

[buoyant cosmos]

I'll see if the export will fit in a DM message

[granite merlin]

Ty homie!!!

I usually make symbols and countdown bars around my chars so I can get separation lol

Night yall

[jolly geyser]

I should get the wa that puts a x on you

[buoyant cosmos]

It's a bit too big

[frail veldt]

If you don't kill bombs you wipe what

You have to

They just explode and kill you rofl

[buoyant cosmos]

Believe me, I know

[twilit rivet]

here's my AR tracker

[buoyant cosmos]

I just watch the DK not even try as I'm hooking all over to get them

Or there's a group of 3 and I'm hooking to them and the healer panics and dispells too soon

[buoyant cosmos]

That's cool, do you lose a segment for every 10 seconds?

[twilit rivet]

unfortunatley not, that would be cool as hell, right now it's just one icon. to make that work i'd have to make 6 of them in total

it's doable

[buoyant cosmos]

I wonder if you can just make 3 and mirror the display

[twilit rivet]

yeah that would prob work too

[buoyant cosmos]

I don't do much with wa's

[twilit rivet]

i try to make my own as much as possible, i've spent alot of time on making wa's lol. gonna be sad if they remove it

[buoyant cosmos]

I think they'll just limit what they can be used for

nuking the whole addon doesn't sound like the move

[twilit rivet]

yeah, hopefully tracking buffs will stay

but then again they've got their own buff tracker so idk

[buoyant cosmos]

just have to wait and see

[twilit rivet]

idd

[cinder haven]

best I can do is 20 new impossible 0.1% rules

[strong halo]

I tell the ranged before the key. No shot they target the non moving target and I chase the big guy

[wintry solar]

Tobfon tell the devs to give us SL outlaw in midnight please

Thanks

[hardy thicket]

Only if its the MFD + SBS NL version

ok actually the meme s4 version with dust + flag was kinda cool as well

dust + blunderbuss(?) I mean i cant even remember

[lucid sandal]

This is fire lowkey

[buoyant cosmos]

It's their world, we're just suffering in it

[buoyant cosmos]

I fixed the count down and icon before sharing it with the other guy

do you want it?

[lucid sandal]

I don't think I would have space for it

[buoyant cosmos]

all good

[cinder haven]

what makes you think I have any dev contacs whatsoever? 😄

[buoyant cosmos]

the cool shades

[hardy thicket]

does sub have less range by default than outlaw or I swear I have to move closer to kick targets as sub

shit spec

[cinder haven]

now you've reminded me of losing acro again

[hardy thicket]

sorry

[cinder haven]

"we've increased base melee range so it's not needed anymore"

[hardy thicket]

Acro was one of the coolest things about Outlaw ngl

[cinder haven]

then you see hitbox on last boss EDA for example

ffs

[hardy thicket]

really killed part of the spec

Even that niche is gone

[buoyant cosmos]

infurating

[cinder haven]

you have to stand inside the boss to be able to hit it, and basically on the visuals for the aoe

[hardy thicket]

ye its scary AF

[buoyant cosmos]

Dimensius' hitbox is awful

[cinder haven]

I mean it was nice in theory

[worldly shale]

Guys i did testosterone test when playing anything else and when playing outlaw

[cinder haven]

but then the encounter designers didn't get the memo about increasing hitbox sizes?

[worldly shale]

Outlaw is 2340 higher

[hardy thicket]

Bruh thats not Outlaw thats you on an insane TRT dose

[worldly shale]

Isnt that the same

I do inject the good luck syrenge

[torpid fiber]

Congrats on the gender

[random stirrup]

probably just used to outlaw movespeed

[buoyant cosmos]

it's great

[worldly shale]

I won the rtb of life

[cinder haven]

I'm at 257% with sprint up

acro went so well together with being uptime spec

for return of the acro in midnight

is there someone we can bribe?

bribes are surely better than shutting down discords

[buoyant cosmos]

Fits the class theme much more as well

[torpid fiber]

"If you give us acro back we'll open up a second outlaw channel"

nvm I don't think that would work

[cinder haven]

maybe the extra range can be a secret, don't tell the other class devs

I'm trying to make better vanish rules for trickster

but I'm getting nowhere

[torpid fiber]

What's the shape of your ideas rn?

[cinder haven]

everything about trickster is about not wasting EB stacks pretty much

and so are the best performing vanish rules atm

stuff like vanish if escalating blade stacks + disorienting strike stacks * 2 is less than 4 and KS has 30+ sec left on cd

basically KS is on cd and you can't get to coup even if you double proc all your UB stacks

[rotund zodiac]

Write that down!!

New stuff to learn

[cinder haven]

problem is that sim has better reaction time than we can have in game

[torpid fiber]

2p just fucks up all the ideas

[cinder haven]

the double procs can come like 0.6s late

so if you are at 2 EB, and double proc

you get to 3 EB fast

[torpid fiber]

It's been a bit since I logged into wow, I should do that tonight

[cinder haven]

then in game it looks like you are on 3 EB and have no UB stacks

so you should vanish

so you press vanish slightly before gcd

so you can bte on gcd

and then coup lights up

yay

[stiff glade]

I despise that. SS at 3 EB stacks with no guaranteed UB and just waiting a bit extra just in case it procs late instead of just vanishing into crackshot. God, it feels so bad

[cinder haven]

I should model some kind of wait time for this

[stiff glade]

I just give it like an extra 0.2-0.3 seconds or something. And I hate it every time

[cinder haven]

like if you press SS at 2 EB, always wait 1 sec before vanishing or something

idk if the UB procs are delayed at all in sims

also we've not used the react function in simc much in outlaw apl

probably should for this

[muted crest]

Guys ur using the default Spell Queue Window or lowwer?

[torpid fiber]

I use default

Use whatever works for you

[cinder haven]

I also use the default 400ms

[worldly shale]

i use 150, feels better idk

[torpid fiber]

If it works for you it works for you

[cinder haven]

150 kinda requires hammering

and low ping

or you'll lose gcds for sure

[torpid fiber]

I think it's possible to just get the rhythm down well enough

[worldly shale]

im at like 25

[torpid fiber]

people play drums irl just fine

[cinder haven]

one thing though

[red zinc]

🥀

[cinder haven]

sqw doesn't work if you don't have energy for the spell you want to queue

at least it seems like that's the case

so if you use high sqw you still want to hammer at low energy

[worldly shale]

i feel like im missing energy more this season

is it me

[red zinc]

yeah its u

[worldly shale]

ok

i walk a loneeeely roaaad

[quaint mauve]

sorry guys but

i actually think it’s a sub angle once i get the gear i need

[red zinc]

ok 😃 👍

[quaint mauve]

if im doing this much dmg with crit>mastery and pacemaker lily

it’s just upsetting

[quaint mauve]

don’t miss me too much timmy

[red zinc]

ly twin

sub channel aint cool like us

[quaint mauve]

i’ll write you a postcard

yeah all they have is like fuu

we have all the cool rogues

[worldly shale]

thanks

[quaint mauve]

not you

[worldly shale]

[quaint mauve]

LOL im sorry

that was mean

i didn’t roll a single 5 roll in the last key i did

[royal stump]

!fuu

[ornate heath]

Rogue Spreadsheet - Light Version / Dark Version

[urban sun]

Question if I understand the SoH comment (I blame that english aint first langugage xD)
```The main new rotation change with :loaded_dice: Sleight of Hand is that you will roll over exactly 2 buffs regardless of :rtb: Loaded Dice , even if :kir: KIR is ready. ````
If you have SoH, you reroll RtB on 2 or less? (It is the "will roll over exactly" that for some reason confuses me 😊)

[winter cave]

!key

[random stirrup]

yes, think the exactly line here is just clarifying since you wouldn't usually roll over 2 buffs without LD

[urban sun]

Ahh yes thank you! I assumed as much but sometimes you just need to ask for being sure :)
Thank you!

[random stirrup]

np gamer enjoy those 5 buffs

[urban sun]

Hehe will do!

[inland acorn]

!prekey

[ornate heath]

Pre-key fuckery

• RTB TWICE some time before entering dungeon to get 4 Supercharger stacks. These stacks don't have a duration.
• Just before key placement use AR into KS to get Loaded Dice and 2 free Unseen Blade procs.
• KS will consume one stack of Supercharger but the 3rd+4th stack are removed when the key starts anyway.
• During the bubble, DO NOT RTB or recast AR as you will lose the CPs and Supercharger stacks when the bubble ends.
• After the bubble drops use RTB again (now back at 4 stacks of Supercharger).
• Before entering the first pack BF into Stealth.
• Open onto the pack with AR into BtE.

[cinder haven]

It’s also to clarify that even if you have buffs above the container buff, that you won’t lose when rolling, you should still include those as well in the count

[unkempt nymph]

hello, a little question, are we still using this weapon in m+ or should i just craft a better one 720

[hardy thicket]

we are ye

But like you'd weapon swap as last season

Theres more info in the pins, (Second pin, last part) and then a whole older section about it

[unkempt nymph]

oh thanks, i will take a look

[torpid fiber]

!wa

[ornate heath]

Class packs:

• Guy's - Afenar's Edit Luxthos Edit
• Zac's Group Devlin
  Utilities:
• Combo Point Standalone
• Last GCD in Crackshot window / Subterfuge timer
• Ace refund sound trigger
• RtB buffs tracker (shows normal, CTO, and KIR'd buffs)
• Unseen Blade tracker
  Fun:
• Ace max combo counter and Ace current combo counter

[quaint mauve]

me calling @keen belfry after getting caught playing mage

[vivid vessel]

@fathom bramble

outlaw buffs incoming

[cinder haven]

[mighty pivot]

1 1 1 1

[livid pewter]

bruuuu i literally watch a class guide and was confused since its running with a german AI voice translation holy fuck are we that far already?

[vivid vessel]

????

[livid pewter]

language barrier gone

[vivid vessel]

bro

you cant do that its illegal !

press 2 !

[cinder haven]

Vote to remove all outlaw damage

[mighty pivot]

you can't be seriously believing that's what is holding the tuning back

[vivid vessel]

?

what

litteraly is lol

are you crazy or

[mighty pivot]

that's some next level cope

[vivid vessel]

no?

have you not noticed

that blizzard tuning

is litteraly

bottom 3/4 specs on frontpage wcl

litteraly every tuning pass

and why isnt outlaw down there?

because of these 2 fights and soul hunter

and the fights it doesnt have last bosses logs obviouslty

[cinder haven]

Just buy guy something nice and convince him to write something on wowhead

[mighty pivot]

that wasn't the case in s2 when they buffed several specs but not sub, right? They are selective

[vivid vessel]

ye sub got unlucky

but every other spec down there got buffed

dotn act clueleess bro

its litteraly how they do tuning

[mighty pivot]

sub got unlucky rogues have no dev

[vivid vessel]

also didnt sub get buffed the week after or something

you are absolutely clueless if you think this has no impact

i talk to people

that have no idea

that outlaw is bad

cause they open wcl

and its the "best:" rogue spec

[mighty pivot]

I mean

[vivid vessel]

dont i mean me

[mighty pivot]

there are 100 people playing the spec, I am not surprised either way that they have no clue what is going on with it

I just did

[vivid vessel]

please

dont act stupid tho

its litteraly so obvious by now

[mighty pivot]

dunno I refuse to believe this is the main criterion of how they balance

[vivid vessel]

it litteraly is proven by now

idk

outlaw is litteraly the worse raid spec in the game rn

[cinder haven]

”We have our own way of measuring spec performance”

[vivid vessel]

thats not even an opinion

ask anyone that isnt clueless about raiding

and they will agree

[vivid vessel]

yet it allign with wcl charts every tuning pass

[cinder haven]

But evidence kinda suggests they just look at wcl

[vivid vessel]

hmge

[hasty warren]

hi pirates

[daring oxide]

I’m depressed

[dense bolt]

here have a hug

[daring oxide]

Thank you

[vapid blaze]

this xD

[daring oxide]

Can we get a wowhead article please

[hasty warren]

real

ping guy

[daring oxide]

How much does guy charge to put out a wowhead article to get us tuning

I’ll pay for it

[vapid blaze]

and outlaw logs for harder bosses espec early in the tier are so skewed

[cinder haven]

[mint wharf]

What if we just close the disc 5Head

[daring oxide]

Nah I need somewhere safe to cry

This is my safe space

Otherwise id go into assa

And I’d feel geriatric

[cinder haven]

Need to change your name again

[daring oxide]

Oh yeah

My eyes are too teared up to see

There

Hope gone

OnlyDooms

[mint wharf]

is it Outlawver 🙁

[cinder haven]

An Outlawyer might be just what we need

Who will represent us?

[dense bolt]

ryu?

[charred carbon]

is sim updated to SOH and loaded build

[cinder haven]

No

[vivid vessel]

go vote on wcl

its for the outlaw buffs

[mighty pivot]

was ryu a lawyer?

[cinder haven]

Vote to exclude all outlaw damage from logs

[mighty pivot]

exclude BF because it takes no skill

[dense bolt]

https://imgur.com/Zp3wGdV

[quaint mauve]

how is it cope

outlaw logs r inflated

so in return we get nothing

[mighty pivot]

because I don't think they genuinely believe outlaw is good

[vivid vessel]

I think they do

cuase on wcl

its the top rogue spec

and you know how i know that

because 1 it didnt get buffed

and 2

i ask high end level players that are slightly clueless

and they think outlaw is good

my feral and my warrior that i play keys with didnt know

my warrior is still a guy that will get ce

[mighty pivot]

I think it's more that rogues are again getting screwed in general, given how they haven't fixed assa bugs either (afaik)

[vivid vessel]

but he isnt a giga tryhard raider

assa deserves these bugs

if you fix them its the best spec in the game again

[vapid blaze]

idk they dont deserve them tbh
but they do deserve nerfs if they get fixed

[vivid vessel]

these bugs are legit exactly the type of nerfs it needed

and i dont even think it was too much

[vapid blaze]

idk talents not working once you equip tset is just dumb

[mighty pivot]

I dunno some talents just stop working

[vivid vessel]

ye its jsut numbers tho in the end

[mighty pivot]

like momentum of despair, which is broken for sub as well and was already early in ptr and it was reported too

talents just breaking completely are not ok. But then again, all 3 of our hero specs have shit like this

[quaint mauve]

you’re just underestimating how clueless people can be

like literally 99% of the playerbase still doesn’t know how outlaw even functions

[mighty pivot]

that's fine though, there are so many dps specs, why would you know how one of the least popular specs works?

does it matter if you know how survival works?

[quaint mauve]

for the most part yeah

i dont need to know how to play it

but i can know what tools it has

i had a tank ask me why im not soothing in a 16

people r clueless

they see inflated numbers

and assume the specs in a good spot

and the devs r just as clueless bc they base their buffs off of those numbers

[mighty pivot]

if someone doesn't know something you just tell them and they now know. It's more of a "need to know" basis, rather than having global spec knowledge